I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
And dead Americans, and dead 'other' people.
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Hey Buckeye - How's tricks in Ohio?
Hey Buckeye - How's tricks in Ohio?
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 09.08.07 - 1:47 pm
Bloody humid!
so this person who yelled at you for forgetting 9-11, I'm presuming that he wasn't there?
Any plan which requires 'sensible Republicans' to do the right thing needs to be replaced with another plan.
evening moonbats 
I can't believe Petraeus is gonna get away with not preparing a report for Congress. It was only mentioned about 1,497,666 times in past three months.
"As for the presidential candidates, 16 months from now the US death toll will likely stand at just about 5000. Billions more will have been wasted. Still there will be no sensible Republicans, no ponies, no wise old men of Washington, etc.
Oh, and there will be lots more dead, maimed, and displaced Iraqis"
But they don't care. They will have made millions.
Any sentence with the phrase 'sensible Republicans' in it needs to be taken out and shot.
o this person who yelled at you for forgetting 9-11, I'm presuming that he wasn't there?
Buckeye
Oh, of course not. Asshole was waiting for the light and engaged a fellow vigil member politely till the light changed, then as he was pulling away made his hostile statement. About the right age to enlist too.
Terry, did you get an envelope?
Terry, did you get an envelope?
ql-was in NY
As a matter of fact, opening it right now.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Billions more will have been wasted.
They won't be wasted -- Haliburton'll have 'em. And all those billions will be forever safe from wild-eyed liberals who want to spend them on health care and education and infrastructure and creepy junk like that. Now that would be waste. Better to spend that money over there so we can't spend it over here.
Mission accomplished!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Terry
No need.
Democracy as a standard in itself, or not
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Getting tired here, might need a nap.
o this person who yelled at you for forgetting 9-11, I'm presuming that he wasn't there?
Buckeye
Oh, of course not. Asshole was waiting for the light and engaged a fellow vigil member politely till the light changed, then as he was pulling away made his hostile statement. About the right age to enlist too.
ql-was in NY | Homepage | 09.08.07 - 1:51 pm
I find it interesting that many, many New Yorkers who experienced 9-11 first-hand are much less bloodthirsty than those who weren't personally affected.
You, for example.
I find it interesting that many, many New Yorkers who experienced 9-11 first-hand are much less bloodthirsty than those who weren't personally affected.
You, for example.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I have a friend in North Jersey who lost a cousin on 9-11-01.
Even his mother says it's time to move on.
"hey, sexy"-Brian Baird to fuzzy math professor David Betray Us
You forgot to mention we'e going to nuke Iran....
In more important news, I'm still not gay!!
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If the US Congress would get busy now, there would be fewer dead by Jan. 20, 2009. Get the troops out of there. Start now.
djmm
And yet... any Democratic candidate that actually took that reality-based view and proposed anything more than "bring them home now" would be pilloried by the same blogosphere that now berates their impotence.
"Those who possess real power and influence are the ones who have the biggest capital. And since the Democratic regime allows the major corporations to support candidates, be they presidential or congressional, then there should be no need for astonishment at the Democrats' failure to stop the war. You are the ones who say 'money talks' ".
This excerpt from Osama's latest is not substantially different from what George Carlin has to say.
Michael Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror has the greater war in proper context. It is our policies that drive the hate. And whether we like it or not, the multinationals are driving policy.
In the process of our soul searching I hope that we are going to come to terms with some necessary revisions to our representational democracy. 535 individuals representing all of us has become absurd. We need to enlarge Congress several fold and institute some form of candidate subsidies that would allow actual progressives to run and get elected.
It is clear more now than ever that we are owned; bought and paid for; and yet sold out at the same time. It's just easier to hear it from George.
Exactly -- saying you're going to do your darnedest to change Bush's mind on the war is less than meaningless, and it's obvious Hillary knows that. A clear sign of that is that Bill Clinton was on NPR yesterday saying that a big drawdown should occur this year, but then when asked what should be done when Bush doesn't do anything of the sort, he says, "Well, that's what elections are for".
Oh, poor me, I can't do anything but plead the president to change course, I'm powerless and my hands are tied. Wah.
Atrios, Trudy Rubin, who lives in your town, keeps saying on NPR that there will be a withdrawal when Bush is gone, not before -- as if it's a good thing. And when an anguished mother of soldier in Iraq, just waiting for him to be killed for no reason, called in, Ms. Rubin couldn't even realize that her saying that was condemning that woman's son -- or hundreds of other boys and girls like him -- to death. If the Trudi's of the world would say -- this really ought to end now, and not give cover to the dead-enders, then it would. Would you please have a talk with Trudi about this? The callousness of these "serious" types is ghastly.
I find it interesting that many, many New Yorkers who experienced 9-11 first-hand are much less bloodthirsty than those who weren't personally affected.
You, for example.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I have a friend in North Jersey who lost a cousin on 9-11-01.
Even his mother says it's time to move on.
I've got friends who escaped that day, and I was four blocks away when the first Tower fell. Nobody I know thought the Iraq war had anything to do with that.
And Democrats will still be standing around with their fingers up their asses and the US will be a few months closer to it's inevitable goal of third world status.
It's all about self-preservation at this point brothers and sisters.
Buy guns and lots of ammo............
Dead Iraqis don't matter to U.S. citizens. They don't matter to Bush, nor the military, nor the electorate. They are the proverbial trees falling in an uninhabited forest. Do they make a sound as they die? Who cares? Certainly no one in this nation. It also is of no importance if they're sick, homeless, destitute or rotting in some godforsaken gulag Cheney has constructed. All peoples of the Middle East and all Muslims are the new American Indian. Remember "The only good Indian is a dead Indian"? Fast forward 125 years and plug in Arabs for Indians. They are the new American object of bloodlust. Bin Laden and Bush have teamed up and warped this nation beyond any hope of repair or forgiveness. We're all a bunch of sick, twisted souls on a slow ride to hell.
It seems to be generally accepted that there is a routine of failure, the price of which is an acceptable "wastage," if you will, of around 3-10 soldiers' lives per day resulting from the occupation. However, it is easy to imagine much grimmer scenarios, particularly if Decider chooses to strike Iran. It is probably not likely that Iranian forces, backed by Shiite militias (and perhaps Sunnis as well, rallying to their co-religionists at a moment of crisis) could cut the lines of communication between Baghdad and the south. However, they could conceivably force a withdrawal of American forces under very unfavorable circumstances, with heavy casualties and hundreds, perhaps thousands, of prisoners taken. (Stalingrad? Chosen Reservoir? Choose your precedent.) It might not sound plausible, but if American planes are grounded by poor weather, and the Iranians and their Iraqi allies close in fast, preventing air strikes for fear of hitting friendlies, all bets are off.
I'd say their strategy has been to wait out the Bush presidency, knowing they haven't the votes to remove him and nothing short of his removal will change anything in Iraq. It is not a brave or noble strategy, but it is a realistic one.
Yes that briliant Democratic Wait them out strategy. But what happens if, having waited 2.5 years to do something, (yes, yes, majority cloture etc), Bush suddenly comes up with OBL? Say, next June?
Gee, if we had impeached the turd before that, it wouldn't have mattered. If we had cut off the funding and pulled the troops from that cesspool in Iraq, it wouldn't have mattered. Hell, if he was actually in Wiziristan and not bunking with Cheney in his liar it might have actually helped with his capture.
But since that hasn't happened, we'll be screwed like a finishing screw finished off with a nail set.
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