HULK SMASH!!!
aha
LIEBNIZ!!!! 
So not first!
wtf is up with haelloscan?
"The mean liberals want to take our cars away!"
-- wingnut
too many words for me to handle on a holiday weekend, hoss. lemme try again and see if i have an intelligent comment.
This is too long for me to read. 
go mass transit!
Heh.
"No Comments" my pasty bum!
This is too long for me to read.
Sinfonian, can haz puppy? |
I think what Dr. Black is saying is that a lot of Jews ride the subway.
Dr. Black is trying to force everyone to live in Manhattan.
MANHATTAN UBER ALLES!
HaloScan codes seems to corrupt over time and get ever glitchier. Once upon a time, there was Jeevan to fix it.
Jesus Haloscan Christ.
I would have thought a vacation would have de-stressed Atrios. Instead, he's still determined to force me to move into a high-rise and sell my SUV.
Okay, I must run.
Please go name the puppy if you haven't done so already. Thanks in advance.
Catch you patriotz laterz.
it's not as bad as last night. Ask NTodd- he was in 14th century France.
short sheeted..
"Btw, how do these rich private schools get away with being "non-profit"?"
easy. at the end of the year their financials show no profit.
rich families do it all the time to avoid taxes on their estates. establish a fake charitable foundation, make their kids directors and give them outrageous salaries.
I mean, someone who thinks the Eurovision contest is cool wants to give me life advice?
Motherfucker, PLEASE.
Dammit. My brilliance (or lack thereof) was deadthreaded. Again:
ChicDyke,
There has to be a name for this phenomenon (you or Wombat will know it), where each HRC misstatement/dumbass statement/jerky statement is magnified ten times more than the last, whether or not it is ten times worse than the last. The cumulative effect is greater than the individual effect, or something. That seems to be what's going on. I heard about the RFK thing and it sounded bad, but when I read it this AM I just shrugged my shoulders. It's a touchy subject, but I was far more pissed about the McCain-and-I-are-qualified-to-be-CIC thing.
BTW, I think the above phenomenon happened to Gore, too.
i think sinfonian should name his puppy mimi. He can then say things like, "Down, mimi!" or "Stop licking your butt, mimi!"
Hot tip: Segways. They're the Next Big Thing.
It's Romanian Music Idol that's cool!
barcelona is very cool, and the organized their waterfront to not mix industrial, recreational, commercial and cargo.
we just arent doing that in LA. dont know about other ports in US.
LA port wants to put new industrial uses near the last recreation area at Cabrillo Beach and move the cruise ship terminal, which is right at the freeway off ramp, miles from the freeway so all those tourists have to drive through the streets to get to the ships. nuts.
I've read that it takes a density of at least 7 or 8 housing units per acre to support mass transit as with buses. In the Twin Cities Minnesota, the Metropolitan Council abandoned that plan in the late 1970's and 1980's to allow development at less than half that density. The result is just as you say Atrios, the worst of both worlds: boring, sterile suburbs too spread out to walk or ride bikes to get things done but no mass transit.
9 out of 10 anthropoligists whose patients chew cum agree: Man is a suburban animal.
If I didn't live in a suburb, what the hell would I need a motorcycle for?
See, you got to have a garage to keep it in, attached to the house, and baby, that's suburban.
Me, I cannot imagine a life with no babrbeque pits.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
TPM: Bush-McCain Fundraise Hits Snag: Too Many Unsold Tickets.
Atrios,
Stop advocating that everyone move to Manhattan. It's downright peaceful here this weekend.
one thing res: HRC used that "Why can't he close the deal?" thing over and over. Thing is, she hasn't closed the deal, either.
Mimi! OMG that's the best idea ever! LOLOLOLOLOL!
...i left an Important Comment about HRC downstairs that you should read, because it's going to make me rich and famous and you'll want me to remember you when that happens. anyway, i must now Garden Librully. thanks for the compliments, and if i may brag: y'all ain't seen nuthin yet. ave a good un, peeps.
"You'll have to forgive him. He's from Barcelona."
/basil fawlty
"Btw, how do these rich private schools get away with being "non-profit"?"
easy. at the end of the year their financials show no profit.
rich families do it all the time to avoid taxes on their estates. establish a fake charitable foundation, make their kids directors and give them outrageous salaries.
jdw
Whoa, there.
You're confusing "non-profit" with "tax-exempt," and "public charities" with "private foundations."
You get non-profit status by filing articles of incoporation specifying such.
You get recognition of tax-exempt status from the IRS by fulfilling some charitable or educational purpose.
Schools meet the public support test, and aren't subject to the 5% payout private foundations are subject to.
America is too big is the trouble. Jefferson never should have purchased New Orleans from the Creoles.
plantsman,
Have you tried stevia?
http://www.stevia.com/SteviaArti...cle.asp?
Id=2269
My aunt has been using it for years and loves it. You can even grow your own if you feel so inclined.
Stop advocating that everyone move to Manhattan. It's downright peaceful here this weekend.
res ipsa loquitur
All the students have left Austin, so the roads are safe for the next three months.
All things considered, I'd MUCH prefer to be still living in Somerville. All errands easily accomplished on foot, T-station less than 5 minutes away. Tank of gas would last WELL over a month...
A to B is a problem for me in the SFV. If I want to go to anywhere that is along the 101/Ventura freeway corridor, it's fine, using the Orange Line that opened a year or so ago, but anywhere else, we're talking an incredible number of bus changes that would more than double the time it takes to get somewhere in my car.
Dammit! Now ChicDyke leaves. No one pays attention to me.
Has Barrack died in some tragic accident over night?
Columbus OH is bringing back street cars, bus ridership was up by something like 8% last couple of months. Cleveland has the Euclid corridor dedicated bus median and lots of redevelopment looked forward to around that. And I hear the city of magic may try the bike rental thing, too.
It's pretty exciting. Governor Strickland is putting big emphasis on creating green economy jobs of the state as well.
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Dammit! Now ChicDyke leaves. No one pays attention to me.
There, there, Princess. You'll always have me to irritate you.
res, We'll pay attention if you spill the beans on the Atriot picnic yesterday. Fun?
Harry D.,
We are in the blissful period between commencement and arrival of the summer students (far fewer than during the fall/spring term, and mostly international and/or graduate students). It's wonderful.
I have grown and used fresh stevia, but I have not tried the refined, powdered kind. My approach has been to really reduce my intake of sweetened things, period.
Transition from cars to mass transit is going to happen. That's a given.
Problem is: how will we manage it? In the 19th century, we managed great public works projects like the pumps that have preserved New Orleans until Katrina came along. New Orleans is now an example of how NOT to to public works.
The Interstate Highway system was the greatest public works project in history. But it destroyed cities like St. Louis (literally; it's a bit of a story) and created nightmares like El "A" and Houston.
Now, the question is: how do we go back? And do we have the public will to do it wisely? Or will it be expensive mass transit that goes virtually nowhere (as in Houston right now), with bus riders basically the poor (house cleaners, store clerks, etc.) and everyone else clinging to their car for dear life? Or will it be a comprehensive picture of zoning, building for public transit not private autos, funding mass transit the way we fund wars in the Middle East, etc.?
I am not optimistic.....
Gromit,
Oh, the picnic was just about perfect. The weather was beautiful and the Meadow not crowded and the light would have sent Hopper running for his brushes. There was a good turnout and cot brought all these artificially-colored and flavored snacks and there was a lot of wine. So yeah, it was great.
I'm planning another one for the summer solstice.
We are in the blissful period between commencement and arrival of the summer students (far fewer than during the fall/spring term, and mostly international and/or graduate students). It's wonderful.
res ipsa loquitur
This is my favorite time of year for commuting. The only thing that's missing is light rail, subways, sidewalks, and biofuels.
Dammit! Now ChicDyke leaves. No one pays attention to me.
res ipsa loquitur
Did you say something?
I would like to thank all my supporters and that wonderful assassin for my nomination
This is my favorite time of year for commuting. The only thing that's missing is light rail, subways, sidewalks, and biofuels.
Harry Doghiney
DON'T MOCK BIOFUELS MOTHERFUCKER!
DON'T MOCK BIOFUELS MOTHERFUCKER!
jac
Far be it. I look forward to the day when I can take a crap in my gas tank.
I wish they would bring back trolleys.
They could throw up a big wind farm on the LI Sound and power them with that.
:sigh:
Never happen I know.
Maybe Dr. Black should become a city planner. How about a new development that incorporates his suggestions? We could call it Eschatown.
I wish Honda and GM would stop advertising their imaginary fuel-cell vehicles; I hate vaporware.
The NFL is a non-profit.
Far be it. I look forward to the day when I can take a crap in my gas tank.
That brings a new meaning in the automotive fuel world to "getting the lead out".
.You have cities which don't have enough transit and have too much car-friendliness which reduces the quality of urban life. And you have suburbs which are dense enough to have some of the negative aspects of urban life, but which aren't built to take advantage of any of density's benefits.
I must say that I have heard a lot of talk about how suburbs are not dense enough to support public transit, but little in the way of actual analysis that proves it. Maybe light rail isn't supported below a certain density, but there are other options. What abpout a highly distributed system of public transit like the internet? It could be based on vehicles with a capacity of maybe 12 riders, and allocated on-demand in realtime using some sort of packet-switching optimization protocol.
I saw a short ducumentary a few years ago about a distributed system of couriers in Mumbai that they use to get everybody their lunch from home at work. It functioned beautifully, based on nothing but a simple set of rules for what happened when two couriers met. Something like that could be done with minibuses.
Barcelona is full of anarcho-libertarian s
http://barcelona.cnt.es/
I wish Honda and GM would stop advertising their imaginary fuel-cell vehicles; I hate vaporware.
plantsman, less blue
Today is new car shopping day.
Any suggestions?
I am reliably informed that hybrid electric engines have limited value in stop and start city driving.
What abpout a highly distributed system of public transit like the internet? It could be based on vehicles with a capacity of maybe 12 riders, and allocated on-demand in realtime using some sort of packet-switching optimization protocol.
That'll never work.
I am reliably informed that hybrid electric engines have limited value in stop and start city driving.
You're joking, right?
In too many urban areas, the densest areas are in the city councils, zoning offices, and on the county boards.
Local elected officials are too captive to their short-sighted electorates.
You're joking, right?
NTodd, Poseur
Nope - I was blitzed with this information at lunch yesterday by people who claimed to know.
Are they FOS (full of shit)?
Someone say biofuels?
Biofuels are causing weird problems in Houston: Used Grease Pirates.
Yes, Atrios, but what does the environment matter if we can't get teh chix?
I am reliably informed that hybrid electric engines have limited value in stop and start city driving.
Harry Doghiney
Stop reading emails from mimi and buy a fucking Prius already.
I must say that I have heard a lot of talk about how suburbs are not dense enough to support public transit, but little in the way of actual analysis that proves it. Maybe light rail isn't supported below a certain density, but there are other options. What abpout a highly distributed system of public transit like the internet? It could be based on vehicles with a capacity of maybe 12 riders, and allocated on-demand in realtime using some sort of packet-switching optimization protocol.
Suburbs of St. Louis used to support what we'd know call "light rail," and they've only gotten denser since the highways came through and destroyed the city (easier to get around between suburbs and stay out of the city, so everyone did. Before that, they took the trains into town, and went home at night. Now the city is a ghost town, and the county a maze of suburbs.)
So there really isn't much evidence suburbs aren't 'dense' enough. Largely a matter of people being used to riding in their cars for everything.
I wish Honda and GM would stop advertising their imaginary fuel-cell vehicles; I hate vaporware.
I know production is very limited, but I'm pretty sure that the Hondas are available for lease in CA
Aiiiiight...
Off to celebrate Erf Day w. a bunch of snarky bands. Later, gators...
I am reliably informed that hybrid electric engines have limited value in stop and start city driving.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 05.24.08 - 10:44 am | #
No es verdad. Our hippie prius is just under 50mph in austin. and that includes too much time on 360.
The whole point of a hybrid is that it can store and re-use the energy normally dissipated as heat during braking. It's during highway driving that they confer little benefit.
Paris has the best public transportation system in the world, I think. Look at an RATP metrorail map and then the overlay of bus and the few "boat-bus" routes, and how to getting around without a car becomes pretty clear. It's density, measured within the beltway, which is the former outermost fortification line, is just slightly less than that of Manhattan, but the population total is larger, about 2.5 million in a conurbation that is about the same population as Greater New York (19 million). But, the secret to all of this is: by survey, most people in Paris think of their primary transportation system as--walking. Yeah, you only take mass transit to go somewhere special. The trick is building neighborhoods of sufficient density to support nearby shops that sell all the things one needs in daily life, all within walking distance. It will automatically support mass transit for the big stuff.
hybrids are great for city driving. for typical driving behavior they have a bigger advantage in the city than on the highway.
mpg not mph
No es verdad. Our hippie prius is just under 50mph in austin. and that includes too much time on 360.
rootless-e
The whole point of a hybrid is that it can store and re-use the energy normally dissipated as heat during braking. It's during highway driving that they confer little benefit.
blerb
I'm glad I checked in here before venturing out. Why am I not surprised that my Republican colleagues in Dallas are misinformed about hybrids?
Are they FOS (full of shit)?
Yes. They are best in city.
Paris has the best public transportation system in the world, I think.
I'd nominate Berlin. Un-freaking-believable.
Harry D-
I know people who drive their hybrids barefoot so they can feel when the engine is kicking in, and change their speed. They say they can increase their mpg by doing so.
hybrids are great for city driving. for typical driving behavior they have a bigger advantage in the city than on the highway.
Yes, I lose a lot of economy on the HW, so I stick to back roads and such. Works well even in non-city driving, though the best is stop-n-go.
I've gotten really good at running with electric only for long stretches--you have to learn to accelerate differently, use braking to regen the battery, turn off unnecessary electrical draw, keep it under 40, etc, but it's just a little bit of habit changing.
I'm glad I checked in here before venturing out. Why am I not surprised that my Republican colleagues in Dallas are misinformed about hybrids?
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 05.24.08 - 10:48 am | #
Porque there is no group of less well informed people on the planet than dallas repukes.
NTodd are you in D.C.? Are you seeing any DFHs?
The whole point of a hybrid is that it can store and re-use the energy normally dissipated as heat during braking. It's during highway driving that they confer little benefit.
blerb
Dunno about that. During the Great Houston Evacuation, where the traffic jam extended from here to Dallas, people were running out of gas because there was none to be had on the way, even if they weren't in a traffic jam.
I know a couple with a Prius who drove to their destination and back on pretty much one tank of gas. They were the only people I know who didn't worry about running out of gas before getting somewhere that still had gas for sale (stations were emptied out for quite a radius around the town that day).
I know people who drive their hybrids barefoot so they can feel when the engine is kicking in, and change their speed. They say they can increase their mpg by doing so.
I don't know why they need to be barefoot--it's pretty obvious when it does kick in, especially if you have a tach that shows 0 RPM for electric, or a fuel computer in-dash.
Porque there is no group of less well informed people on the planet than dallas repukes.
rootless-e
You've said a mouthful, my friend.
When do hybrids typically consume the most gasoline?
I am reliably informed that hybrid electric engines have limited value in stop and start city driving.
Informed by what, or whom?
This certainly depends upon the car's computer fuel maps and the way it's engineered. Most importantly, does it go into idle, or does it shut off, or does it continue to run in charging mode in stop-and-go driving?
In theory, anyway, slow urban driving should put the car into all-electric mode and full regenerative braking, until charging is required. To what extent various makes do that is the question, rather than it being a general characteristic of hybrids.
NTodd are you in D.C.? Are you seeing any DFHs?
Yup, sitting in the Code Pink living room right now with Des and Leslie! And I'll be seeing Hecate on Monday!
When do hybrids typically consume the most gasoline?
geor3ge
Breafast.
Or maybe dinner.
Depends, I guess.
I've gotten really good at running with electric only for long stretches--you have to learn to accelerate differently, use braking to regen the battery, turn off unnecessary electrical draw
We don't care about your vibrator.
But, the secret to all of this is: by survey, most people in Paris think of their primary transportation system as--walking. Yeah, you only take mass transit to go somewhere special. The trick is building neighborhoods of sufficient density to support nearby shops that sell all the things one needs in daily life, all within walking distance. It will automatically support mass transit for the big stuff.
Brian C.B. | 05.24.08 - 10:47 am | #
The dark side, so to speak, of Paris transport is that if you live in one of the hlm areas, you cannot get in our out of the city.
montag
I've been straightened out.
The consensus is that one should not solicit advice from Republicans, particularly Dallas Republicans.
During the Great Houston Evacuation, where the traffic jam extended from here to Dallas, people were running out of gas because there was none to be had on the way, even if they weren't in a traffic jam.
The Hurricane Rita evacuation... that was fucked up.
racy, that grease-pirate article is wild. I had no idea.
especially in Houston, the most grease pirate-plagued city in the state
I don't know why they need to be barefoot
It's like tuning a guitar by ear.
I am reliably informed that hybrid electric engines have limited value in stop and start city driving.
I thought that was exactly what they were really designed for. The gas engine is for the more rare occasions when they get up to "speed" -- about 40 mph as I recall.
.Dunno about that.
You can't get something for nothing. Reclamation of braking energy is the whole hybrid concept. But they also usually have very efficient engines and a very low-drag profile. Those things work in your favor whether or not you are using the hybrid drive to save fuel.
Toonscribe
Sheesh. Now y'all are making me feel like my comment is going in the ignorance hall of fame.
When do hybrids typically consume the most gasoline?
Acceleration and highway speeds, pretty much like any vehicle. But you get the electric assist on startup at least, and the regen braking.
The dark side, so to speak, of Paris transport is that if you live in one of the hlm areas, you cannot get in our out of the city.
rootless-e
And curiously enough, in Paris all of the affluent whites live in the city, while the brown and black people live on the perimeter.
Coincidence?
Reclamation of braking energy is the whole hybrid concept.
Not the whole concept. Part of it.
The Hurricane Rita evacuation... that was fucked up.
racymind
It did prove that the interstate system is useless for the national defense purpose of evacuation, however.
I kept thinking: if that hurricane hits, and those people are still in their cars....
We don't care about your vibrator.
ChiDy does.
Going to do stuff. Later ...
So what's the best hybrid SUV?
I doan want to part with my Honda CRV, but Honda doesn't offer a hybrid CRV.
I like it that finally libs have finally taken to the art of saying things over and over.
It helps.
Now y'all are making me feel like my comment is going in the ignorance hall of fame.
Harry Doghiney
Maybe if you changed your name to Harry Quickontheuptake?
I want my hovercraft.
?Not the whole concept. Part of it.
NTodd, Poseur
I suppose there is also some small benefit from having the electric motor increase the low-end torque during acceleration in terms of allowing you to use a weaker gasoline engine for a car of a given size.
So what's the best hybrid SUV?
Highlander is the smallest, I think. Small by TX standards.
Maybe if you changed your name to Harry Quickontheuptake?
Gromit
Haloscan would show that as Harry Quickont.
Whoops, Ford has a smaller one
So what's the best hybrid SUV?
I keep coming back to the Saturn VUE, but it's hellishly expensive.
So, it's the 32 mpg Chevy Prizm until it craps out.
And curiously enough, in Paris all of the affluent whites live in the city, while the brown and black people live on the perimeter.
Coincidence?
Gromit, lurking & working | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 10:54 am | #
well you would not want some low-life arab from st. dennis or marie d'ivre intruding on a pleasant walk along Boul St. Michael.
Although, to be fair, there are cool racially mixed neighborhoods in semi-central paris. I once saw a line of (beautiful) women in traditional malian outfits happily gossiping on the way into the fromagerie out in some area near central.
Whoops, Ford has a smaller one
Gromit
I still haven't gotten over Henry Ford's shenanigans in the 1920's and 30's.
Hybrid SUV's seem kind of silly to me after having thought about it. I think the best move for that is just to buy the most fuel-efficient conventional high-capacity 4wd vehicle that will meet your needs and then only drive it when that's what you really need.
Whoops, Ford has a smaller one
Gromit
I still haven't gotten over Henry Ford's shenanigans in the 1920's and 30's.
Harry Doghiney
Well, there's the BMW and Mercedes hybrids.
Are, dammit.
There is something really sad about Cindy McCain, but I can't quite identify it yet. No snark. She just seems really sad.
So what's the best hybrid SUV?
I doan want to part with my Honda CRV, but Honda doesn't offer a hybrid CRV.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 05.24.08 - 10:56 am | #
On zat issue, yer repuke friends have more of a case. hybrid suv's are not so great.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/1...n/
16kitman.html
So what's the best hybrid SUV?
I doan want to part with my Honda CRV, but Honda doesn't offer a hybrid CRV.
I'm happy with my Ford Escape as far as it goes. I hate the Ford aesthetic, but I've gotten used to the interior and I'm getting mid-30s which is pretty amazing for a large, heavy car (10 mpg better than my Outback got). I'd rather have a Prius, but with 2 humans and 3 dogz this summer, that just won't work.
What really bums me out about the Prius and other commuter-type hybrids is that at a leggy 6'4", I just don't fit inside any of them comfortably. I had to go up in size to an Accord before I found a car that fit me.
I think the best move for that is just to buy the most fuel-efficient conventional high-capacity 4wd vehicle that will meet your needs and then only drive it when that's what you really need.
If you can afford multiple vehicles, perhaps that works. Although even then, you're supporting the industry more by giving them more money.
I've owned two Honda Elements. Nothing is more useful than a 4wd box.
I was sort of enthused about the Outback as a more efficient option for ski/camping, but then friends who owned them said the fuel efficiency still pretty much sux.
I've owned two Honda Elements. Nothing is more useful than a 4wd box.
The Scion xb box is surprisingly roomy and comfortable.
Whoops, Ford has a smaller one
Gromit
The Ford Cutback?
I suppose there is also some small benefit from having the electric motor increase the low-end torque during acceleration in terms of allowing you to use a weaker gasoline engine for a car of a given size.
Yes, and any coasting also charges the battery.
On zat issue, yer repuke friends have more of a case. hybrid suv's are not so great.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/1...n/ 16kitman.html
rootless-e
Good article. Maybe I want the Toyota Highlander, maybe just the most fuel efficient SUV on the market regardless of whether it's a hybrid...
There is something really sad about Cindy McCain, but I can't quite identify it yet. No snark. She just seems really sad.
"Dear Abby,
I'm a trophy wife for an ambitious politician who only wants my $100 million and calls me a cunt.
I've turned to substance abuse for comfort, but there's something missing in my life.
What should I do?"
The Scion xb box is surprisingly roomy and comfortable.
leibniz leibkins
Lady D drives a new Scion. She loves it.
We currently have an old Nissan Pathfinder that burns gas so bad it's not funny and is on its last legs anyway. We are in a real quandary about what to replace it with when it dies. As it stands now, we hope it will last a bit longer because we don't particularly have any money to buy a new vehicle right now.
JH Kunstler is cranky, if not a crank, but he was talking about the amount of space devoted to ground level parking in cities like Cleveland.
The trick is building neighborhoods of sufficient density to support nearby shops that sell all the things one needs in daily life, all within walking distance. It will automatically support mass transit for the big stuff.
'zactly. I once stayed on the Upper East Side, and realised that you could live within four or five blocks square. Same with Amsterdam.
Even back home, in the English 'burbs, you can walk to the shops. As in, walk on dedicated paths (next to cyclepaths) -- not along a grass verge, not on a tiny strip of pavement by the side of a busy road that cuts out every few hundred metres, and has the appearance of being laid out with spite.
I have an '07 Element. If I drive carefully I usually average right at 30 mpg. It is huge too. That's the same MPG as my tiny MX-5.
The good news about my F350 4x4 dually horse truck is that if I can squeeze one more MPG out of it I will have increased my gas mileage 10%.
I'd nominate Berlin. Un-freaking-believable.
Have you been to Singapore?
There is something really sad about Cindy McCain, but I can't quite identify it yet. No snark. She just seems really sad.
Troutski, BTW
What is "Being married to John McCain" for $100, Alex?
We currently have an old Nissan Pathfinder that burns gas so bad it's not funny and is on its last legs anyway. We are in a real quandary about what to replace it with when it dies. As it stands now, we hope it will last a bit longer because we don't particularly have any money to buy a new vehicle right now
Wow. You're living my life -- except instead of a Pathfinder, mine's a '93 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
I would love to have a big truck like that parked in my driveway, to be driven only when I have a lot of stuff to haul.
Aren't there some genuine questions about exposure to electromagnetic radiation in hybrid systems?
.
There is something really sad about Cindy McCain, but I can't quite identify it yet. No snark. She just seems really sad.
Troutski, BTW
What is "Being married to John McCain" for $100, Alex?
jac | 05.24.08 - 11:08 am |
what is "viagra refill arrived" for $1000, alex?
Mercury Mariner Hybrid SUV?
Anyone?
I would love to have a big truck like that parked in my driveway, to be driven only when I have a lot of stuff to haul.
blerb | 05.24.08 - 11:10 am | #
i've got one, but i keep it in the u-haul lot.
Aren't there some genuine questions about exposure to electromagnetic radiation in hybrid systems?
Sparkle Plenty
Not by sane people. Electric blankets, bees under power lines, cell phones - everything electrical has been "questioned" and no evidence for the fear has ever been found.
Wow. You're living my life --
We just bought a house we can barely afford and then immediately got slammed with an $11k sewer situation. If we can't find a way to make somebody else pay up on that, we're going to be in a pretty tight situation until I get a better job.
Aren't there some genuine questions about exposure to electromagnetic radiation in hybrid systems?
Never heard any. Batteries are DC so prolly not the same issue as AC. The electric motor ain't that big and buffered with metal and other material.
what is "viagra refill arrived" for $1000, alex?
dirk gèntly
You win.
Shorter Condi: I didn't do it.
Aren't there some genuine questions about exposure to electromagnetic radiation in hybrid systems?
I haven't heard that, but supposedly the energy consumed to manufacture a hybrid negates whatever energy saving benefits it has. I have no idea if that claim is credible.
Hybrids make the EMTs a bit nervous.
You win.
jac | 05.24.08 - 11:12 am | #
well, i would have; but i went for a true daily double in category "italian cinema"
Politico's David Paul Kuhn reports that:
Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College -- he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.
Among the 10 strategists interviewed by Politico for this story, there was near-uniform belief that had any other Republican been nominated, the party’s prospects in November would be nil. ...
The case they make for a comfortable McCain win is not beyond reason. Begin with the 2004 electoral map. Add Iowa and Colorado to Obama’s side, since both are considered states Obama could pick off. Then count McCain victories in New Hampshire and Michigan, two states where McCain is competitive. In this scenario, McCain wins the Electoral College 291-246, a larger margin than Bush four years ago.
If Obama managed only to win Iowa from Republicans and McCain managed only to win Pennsylvania, McCain would still win by a much greater margin than Bush — 300-237.
So they're giving FL to McStain?
One day, I will have a plug-in hybrid that I can charge off of the storage from my solar array.
Off Topic
Was at a cocktail party last night (actually more wine than liquor) talking to a very well paid health insurance executive.
The topic came up of national health insurance, Sicko, and Hillary's bankrolling by the insurance companies.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
First I'd heard of these buzz words in this context. Googled it today and sure enough it is an issue in the formal discussion of this topic. Reading some of the links, it seems vague and not specifically used to limit coverage.
Anybody else encounter this argument and what it is supposed to accomplish?
I'd nominate Berlin. Un-freaking-believable.
Have you been to Singapore?
Nope, not yet. I think part of what I liked about Berlin was that not just that the system had stops ever, stayed on schedule, ran 24 hours, and was clean and fast, but that it was busy but not totally packed, so that people got in and out quickly and weren't crushed like sardines.
everywhere
One day, I will have a plug-in hybrid that I can charge off of the storage from my solar array.
Toyota's next Prius will come in a plug-in version.
The Hurricane Rita evacuation... that was fucked up.
racymind
It did prove that the interstate system is useless for the national defense purpose of evacuation, however.
I kept thinking: if that hurricane hits, and those people are still in their cars....
Rmj: Non-working Theologist
Would Hagee then say it was God's vengence on Houston for harboring the elder Bushes? Or for building so willy-nilly on gluttonous use of oil?
What's the going rate for green market hydrogen these days? Are there shops where I can get one of those natural gas fuel injector thingies installed? And where can I put down a deposit for a couple of those 10,000 psi hydrogen cannisters that will fit in my trunk.
Toyota's next Prius will come in a plug-in version.
NTodd
Izzat a 2009?
Hydrogen as a motor fuel is pretty much a dead letter. Methanol or ethanol from some kind of biomass are going to be the ultimate winners.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
B.S. Getting in to see the doctor in a timely manner and having the doc spend a little time with you is the best way to be educated so tht you can take more responsibility. And have small things dealt with cheaply before they turn into, say, diabetes and chronic heart disease
Not by sane people. Electric blankets, bees under power lines, cell phones - everything electrical has been "questioned" and no evidence for the fear has ever been found.
jac
Well, I was researching the cityzenn and stumbled into to some forums that seemed to give credence to potential problems. And when I mentioned this to a friend he said he'd just heard a discussion on NPR about it, that there are no absolute conclusions yet, and that Europeans are doing a much better job in research about electromagnetic radiation in e-cars, cell phones, etc.
The thing about the cars is that the radiation is contained inside the car all the time you're riding in it because the engine compartments are completely sealed so the car itself acts as a Faraday shield.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
Then why aren't countries with universal healthcare overpopulated with fatties who smoke like chimneys?
And since when was a person's health completely under his or her control anyway?
But [Rice] acknowledged that those rules had since changed and that the United States was a “different place” then, adding that the administration’s top priority at the time had been preventing new attacks and not necessarily observing fine legal points.
you know, like the obeying constitution. following the geneva convention, not ignoring federal law - fine points like that.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
First I'd heard of these buzz words in this context. Googled it today and sure enough it is an issue in the formal discussion of this topic. Reading some of the links, it seems vague and not specifically used to limit coverage.
Anybody else encounter this argument and what it is supposed to accomplish?
Gimlet
It reminds people that Michael Moore is fat?
We just bought a house we can barely afford and then immediately got slammed with an $11k sewer situation.
You have my sympathies. I read that yesterday when you posted. We have sewer connection issues -- something clogs up regularly, probably because of roots from a nearby huge tree that needs to be cut down, unfortunately, since I really like the way it shades the front of the house, but it's roots are tearing up my courtyard and the sewer line. When we first bought our house, we signed the closing docs and came over to the house to celebrate. It was raining, and we discovered the roof was leaking like a sieve. We fought with the previous owner for two years over that -- and then finally just had the roof replaced ourselves.
Chimpy orders "moment of remembrance" during golf on Monday
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...ZJzJksBKMms0NUE
It is really hard to come up with a plausible molecular model whereby any electromagnetic energy below the infrared could cause cancer.
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Methanol or ethanol from some kind of biomass are going to be the ultimate winners.
blerb | 05.24.08 - 11:17 am | #
we can tap the limbaugh reserve.
Should be "engine compartments are NOT completely sealed . . ."
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I haven't heard that, but supposedly the energy consumed to manufacture a hybrid negates whatever energy saving benefits it has. I have no idea if that claim is credible.
Umm, that would be true only if it is much more energy-expensive to produce compared to a combustion-only vehicle.
The typical estimate for combustion-only vehicles is that energy is about 25% of the total cost of manufactured cost. How a hybrid would greatly exceed that, I'm not sure. The additional costs for hybrids probably have more to do with material costs--more copper, more aluminum, perhaps nickel for batteries, and all those are commodities in demand these days, so their prices are rising accordingly.
It is really hard to come up with a plausible molecular model whereby any electromagnetic energy below the infrared could cause cancer.
blerb
And yet, the same shit gets dredged up every time a new electrical device comes out.
Superstition is coded into our genes.
Not by sane people. Electric blankets, bees under power lines, cell phones - everything electrical has been "questioned" and no evidence for the fear has ever been found.
When rural electrification began, there were fears that the EM forces from power lines would destroy crops. When houses were first given light fixtures, some home owners screwed potatoes into them to keep electricity from leaking out. Thurber parodied this by reporting that when a relative of his was done vacuuming she would shake the AC cord to get the remaining electricity out.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
So shuffling papers and denying claims is a healthy lifestyle?
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
the mr creosote gambit.
unfortunately, it only applies to people wealthy enough to make extreme lifestyle decisions.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
Did he look like the boss from The Incredibles
Can't believe it's raining here. In May.
Weather should be nicer in Palm Springs.
Chimpy orders "moment of remembrance" during golf on Monday
And what will he remember?
Should be "engine compartments are NOT completely sealed . . ."
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Sparkle Plenty | 05.24.08 - 11:19 am | #
i wrap everything in tinfoil.
everything.
Hybrids make the EMTs a bit nervous.
Using the jaws of life to cut through 600 volt lines should make one nervous.
And since when was a person's health completely under his or her control anyway?
SteveNS
There are a lot of related points like air polution.
I sensed it was a dodge in the argument for national health insurance putting blame for the health care crisis on the individual and not the system.
Though not valid, how plausible can they make the argument and what concessions can they get using it?
It is really hard to come up with a plausible molecular model whereby any electromagnetic energy below the infrared could cause cancer.
blerb
Sparkle Plenty, I agree with blerb. The basic story is that if your body does not absorb the energy, it cannot do anything to you.
This falls way, way, way, below the level of getting cancer from being in the sun (which is a real risk)
And what will he remember?
DFH
There's a hidden sand trap in front of the sixth green.
.Can't believe it's raining here. In May.
It's actually raining down in La-La land? Up here, it's just cold and gray. Pretty weird after the mini-heatwave we just endured.
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
Right. We can all afford high quality food. We all have employers that don't run us into the ground. None of us have parental responsibilities. We've all got plenty of time to work out.
As if.
Hybrids make the EMTs a bit nervous.
Using the jaws of life to cut through 600 volt lines should make one nervous.
If that makes them nervous, they're gonna love working around cryogenic hydrogen....
Toyota's next Prius will come in a plug-in version.
NTodd
Izzat a 2009?
jac
Maybe. I'd read some conflicting stuff about which model year it was, as well as mileage (90-120 mpg?).
"moment of remembrance" during a 24 hour day of remembrance? Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
Chimpy orders "moment of remembrance" during golf on Monday
I thought he gave up golf.
Thurber parodied this by reporting that when a relative of his was done vacuuming she would shake the AC cord to get the remaining electricity out.
The Night the Bed Fell.
Funniest story of all time.
[Back to work, Gromit]
It is really hard to come up with a plausible molecular model whereby any electromagnetic energy below the infrared could cause cancer.
I was under the impression that that had been established.
You're all still here. Perhaps there is some confusion. I need readers and you are talking about electric blankets. Is there no justice?
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Chimpy orders "moment of remembrance" during golf on Monday
I thought he gave up golf.
Toonscribe | 05.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
he forgot.
Sallyh - The rain has just stopped here in the west Valley.
I'd read some conflicting stuff about which model year it was, as well as mileage (90-120 mpg?).
NTodd, Poseur
If they can give the driver like 2 more inches of damn leg room, I'm sold.
So shuffling papers and denying claims is a healthy lifestyle?
shuffling papers and denying claims
just some money for my pains
oh it's hard to be unappreciated
insurance company vice-presidents
are like any other suburban residents
we need love just like everyone else
so please don't get all weepy
your diseases are too creepy
and they seem all prexisting to me
Hybrids make the EMTs a bit nervous.
Using the jaws of life to cut through 600 volt lines should make one nervous.
Yes, they just need to come up with new techniques. And car manufactures will want to consider design changes to help.
My mechanic was down on the Prius because of the position of the battery, which in certain impacts could scoot right through the passenger compartment and kill everybody. The larger vehicles don't have the same problem.
I thought he gave up golf.
It may come as a shock to you, but Chimpy lies. (/snark)
If they can give the driver like 2 more inches of damn leg room, I'm sold.
Sorry, that will kill the planet, Mr Hater Of Nature.
I was under the impression that that had been established.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
That what had been established?
Chimpy orders "moment of remembrance" during golf on Monday
I thought he gave up golf.
He meant he gave up golf that one day when the UN was bombed.
If they can give the driver like 2 more inches of damn leg room, I'm sold.
hahahahahahaha!!!
(it's good to be short)
(unless you want to run for potus)
"moment of remembrance" during a 24 hour day of remembrance? Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
Just a moment...
Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
Troutski, BTW | 05.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
And the natural guard.
Anybody else encounter this argument and what it is supposed to accomplish?
The subtext: if you get sick it's your fault.
See Samuel Butler's Erewhon.
It is really hard to come up with a plausible molecular model whereby any electromagnetic energy below the infrared could cause cancer.
The only good case I know is where CT state troopers were trying to catch speeders by not setting off the detectors. So the troopers would keep their speed guns in their crotches and then bring them up for just a second to get a read on a speeding car. The troopers showed a disproportionate level of testicular cancer. But for most other cases, the inverse power laws make EM dangers negligible.
Toons, it's slowing down to mist here on the East side.
Chimpy orders "moment of remembrance"
"Now, watch this war!"
The subtext: if you are poor and you get sick it's your fault.
haloscan is eating words from the middle of posts again.
blerb, that rays below the infrared level would not harm one.
The subtext: if you are poor and you get sick it's your fault.
I regret the error.
that rays below the infrared level would not harm one.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Got it. I wasn't sure if you were saying the opposite.
"Now, watch this war!"
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash | 05.24.08 - 11:28 am | #
What war? I was watching the news all morning and surely if there a 'war" of which you speak there would have been some notice, especially as its memorial day ??
Why does haloscan hate our freedom?
And since when was a person's health completely under his or her control anyway?
Yes, I decided all on my own to develop bipolarism.
But for most other cases, the inverse power laws make EM dangers negligible.
Makes sense to me. That's why cellphones *could* be a threat (a recent study I think showed the heat and radiation penetrate the skull 1 inch).
Health insurers only want to insure healthy people.
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sallyh and me are friends,
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Yes, I decided all on my own to develop bipolarism.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 05.24.08 - 11:31 am | #
Apparently you're supposed to "walk it off".
Yes, I decided all on my own to develop bipolarism.
Sallyh
I picked out all my own genes!
What war? I was watching the news all morning and surely if there a 'war" of which you speak there would have been some notice, especially as its memorial day ??
Mentioning a war during Memorial Day Weekend would be unpatriotic and would embolden those who want to cut our heads off.
And since when was a person's health completely under his or her control anyway?
Read some Ayn Rand, and that poem that Timothy McVeigh loved, “Invictus”
Bjorn, yeah, I tried that in college. Right into the Combat Zone (which no longer exists).
This insurance executive's main complaint about Sicko was that it did not emphasize personal responsibility in a healthy lifestyle.
Right. We can all afford high quality food. We all have employers that don't run us into the ground. None of us have parental responsibilities. We've all got plenty of time to work out.
As if.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 05.24.08 - 11:23 am | #
And we can all afford to live in healthy buildings, communities and cities, and work in healthy places.
It is really hard to come up with a plausible molecular model whereby any electromagnetic energy below the infrared could cause cancer.
blerb
Ultraviolet can cause problems.
It's just that radiation of that energy isn't able to cause the molecular lesions that lead to cancer directly, so you have to invoke some fairly byzantine models to explain how they could be a causative agent. I suppose you might be able to argue that continued exposure affects some DNA repair pathway in a bad way, but it would all be handwaving.
Yes, I decided all on my own to develop bipolarism.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
It wasn't ALL health problems are because of an unhealthy lifestyle just some.
Which seems self-evident but gaining that point what comes next?
Maybe Chimpy will rebrand Memorial Day as Day of Bush Family Suffering.
Cuz, y'know, it's hardest for him and Laura.
what if there were cars that ran on air?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/...rs/
4217016.html
i wish i had health insurance so i could intentionally get a life threatening desease and earn a free hospital vacation.
preferably one that requires a lot of anal probing. and needles. lots of needles.
And we can all afford to live in healthy buildings, communities and cities, and work in healthy places.
And if we can't it's because we have attitude problems.
Makes sense to me. That's why cellphones *could* be a threat (a recent study I think showed the heat and radiation penetrate the skull 1 inch).
Probably a greater threat is people having ear buds playing music at 95 dB. There are going to be a lot more deaf people in 30 years.
Billy, yeah, but UV's in a different location on the EM continuum.
Health insurers only want to insure healthy people.
To be fair, they're the better risk.
Probably a greater threat is people having ear buds playing music at 95 dB. There are going to be a lot more deaf people in 30 years.
What was that?
Billy, yeah, but UV's in a different location on the EM continuum.
Yep - below IR.
Ultraviolet can cause problems.
billy
I meant below the infrared in energy, not wavelength if that caused any confusion. UV can clearly cause genetic lesions by making thymine dimers on the DNA that are not always resolved without mutations or DS breaks occurring. More energetic photons can just plain blow the DNA apart.
Makes sense to me. That's why cellphones *could* be a threat (a recent study I think showed the heat and radiation penetrate the skull 1 inch).
I think the biggest hazard of mobile phones is likely to be getting into a crash while trying to talk, drive, drink coffee and smoke all at the same time.
Don't get me started on Gamma Rays...
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I suppose I should go feed my son some Purina Human Chow about now....
I think the biggest hazard of mobile phones is likely to be getting into a crash while trying to talk, drive, drink coffee and smoke all at the same time.
I certainly think so statistically over the long term. Still, beaming shit into your brain might have some longterm risks. I wonder if Bluetooth earbuds are less of a problem (I use one a lot these days) because of the lower energy levels necessary and different spectrum...
Makes sense to me. That's why cellphones *could* be a threat (a recent study I think showed the heat and radiation penetrate the skull 1 inch).
NTodd, Poseur | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 11:32 am | #
Is that what makes people rude when they use the phone?
I think the biggest hazard of mobile phones is likely to be getting into a crash while trying to talk, drive, drink coffee and smoke all at the same time.
I have to commute on the Capital Beltway and I've lost count of the number of times I've had to take evasive action to avoid some moran swerving into my lane while--guess what?--babbling away on their fucking cell phone.
Sufferin, I've found I have a much more of an attitude problem than I did before the 2000 election.
I wonder if Bluetooth earbuds are less of a problem (I use one a lot these days) because of the lower energy levels necessary and different spectrum...
NTodd, Poseur | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 11:39 am | #
i've heard that about hardwired headsets. in either case, i've also heard the danger of keeping the phone in your front pants pocket while talking.
i don't worry about it myself. i don't ever talk for long on the cell, and i don't wear pants.
I have to commute on the Capital Beltway and I've lost count of the number of times I've had to take evasive action to avoid some moran swerving into my lane while--guess what?--babbling away on their fucking cell phone.
Now that we have fairly decent coverage out in the boonies, I'm seeing that a lot more now, too. I wish people would spring for the extra 30 bucks for a goddamned headset--hell, most phones come with a free wired one.
Even handsfree isn't great, but it's way better than trying to hold the damned thing to your ear whilst trying to drive.
i've heard that about hardwired headsets. in either case, i've also heard the danger of keeping the phone in your front pants pocket while talking.
I'm going to get hip cancer.
i don't wear pants.
Hey, that's my schtick!
Sufferin, I ignore mine while driving, admittedly. Your call, I say to people, is not so urgent that you can't wait.
Hey, that's my schtick!
NTodd, Poseur
i don't wesr shirts, either.
not in the office.
I think the biggest hazard of mobile phones is likely to be getting into a crash while trying to talk, drive, drink coffee and smoke all at the same time.
Of all the distractions you list, talking on the phone is undoubtedly the worst as one's mind is not on the task at hand for extended periods of time.
The vast majority of the erratic driving I encounter is because the person screwing up is on a cell phone. I counted three yesterday alone. All in the 8 mile trip coming home from work. It's infuriating.
Probably a greater threat is people having ear buds playing music at 95 dB. There are going to be a lot more deaf people in 30 years.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 05.24.08 - 11:36 am
Forget 30, try now. That and the blaring car stereos. We've got a computer lab, with headphones, and I keep having to tell people to turn down the volume. They tell me they can't hear (these are folks who are in their twenties).
I'm going to get hip cancer.
reduced sperm count. sperm don't like talking on cell phones.
The vast majority of the erratic driving I encounter is because the person screwing up is on a cell phone. I counted three yesterday alone. All in the 8 mile trip coming home from work. It's infuriating.
billy b | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 11:43 am | #
People confuse their cars with their living rooms.
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Nude Code Monkey.
band name!
People confuse their cars with their living rooms.
We do in L.A., because we spend so much time in them.
People confuse their cars with their living rooms.
That they do, kiddo.
owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sufferin, I've found I have a much more of an attitude problem than I did before the 2000 election.
My attitude problem goes back a lot farther than your attitude problem, which is why I did not appreciate a certain presidential candidate's remark about a certain historical event which took place 40 years ago next month, if ya get my drift.
Nuff said.
reduced sperm count. sperm don't like talking on cell phones.
That could be problematic...
The vast majority of the erratic driving I encounter is because the person screwing up is on a cell phone. I counted three yesterday alone. All in the 8 mile trip coming home from work. It's infuriating.
billy b | Homepage | 05.24.08 - 11:43 am | #
People confuse their cars with their living rooms.
Brooklyn Girl, flittermouse | 05.24.08 - 11:44 am
Their cars, and the busses here. They have no boundaries.
/hey you kids, get off of my lawn!
Ultraviolet can cause problems.
Especially if somebody kicks you in the yarbles and ruins any plans you had for some of the old in-and-out....
Oh, wait, you said ultraviolet...
Never mind.
new thread = time to go do yardwork.
later all.
I've used my cell only when stuck in traffic to warn that I'm going to be late. That's about the only real use for it in a car anyway.
preferably one that requires a lot of anal probing. and needles. lots of needles.
dirk gèntly, sociöpathètic
I considered it later while wearing my conservative thinking cap and I think it is analogous to conservative-think on welfare.
Why should my tax money go toward supporting a segment of the population that is lazy and won't work?
Why should my tax dollar go toward helping health care problems that resulted from an unhealthy lifestyle?
Why should my tax dollars via the NEA go toward supporting art like "Piss Christ"?
All of these are a small percent of the whole program and don't justify eliminating the whole program to remedy it.
Interesting that the "why should my tax dollar" argument never gets applied to wars of choice that benefit a handful of contractors.
I guess it's because the contractors are Real Americans, unlike the rest of us.
It's not just a matter of having the transit lines built, it's a matter of making them run efficiently. I live in San Francisco, and our bus system (MUNI) has myriad problems, but the greatest is its inability to run buses on time. My four-mile commute takes anywhere from 60 to 90 minutes, depending on the day, whether there's a Giants game going on, etcetera. That sluggish pace sends more potential commuters into their own private cars, further clogging the roads, making public transit even slower.
To get that many people in that area, you also need a supporting infrastructure which means roads-which is why good transit works with traffic.
I've used my cell only when stuck in traffic to warn that I'm going to be late. That's about the only real use for it in a car anyway.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash | 05.24.08 - 11:48 am | #
It's really a two-way radio disguised as a telephone-long involved conversations should be done face-to-face or at least from a quiet room.
Been reading up on the war service of my great great grandmother's 19 year old younger brother. He signed up in February 1864 for a 3 year hitch, got paid $60 in April when he completed basic, spent May marching from the Tenneesse River across Alabama to Atlanta, Georgia, watched some of the veterans in his unit take part in a battle in June, then in July he fought in his first and only battle, a three day affair called Peach Tree Creek. He was shot in the left arm while storming rebel entrenchments at Leggett's Hill, a key turning point in a crucial battle. Spent the next six months in several different hospitals before he was discharged with the army owing him $240 in back pay, less about $50 for transportation between hospitals and another $50 for his clothing allowance. He was given a complete disability discharge for a condition the doctors called ankylosis, which apparently meant that his left shoulder was a little stiff. He collected $24 a month for the next fifty years and after he died in 1916 his wife got $30 a month for the next twelve years. She was taking in enough pension money to buy a new Model A for each year of the Roaring 20s. The army put a real premium on getting shot in the right place at the right time and place.
This is a great discussion.
I know again with the boomers -but as this big lump of population ages the need for public transit options us going to increase because boomers soon should not be driving especially at night.
There are lots of options besides the traditional ways of delivering transit.
Barcelona's public transport pales in comparison to that of other European cities. If you want to travel to many of the suburbs, then you have to go by bus and those buses typically run once per hour.
On an unrelated note, my last visit to Barcelona my girlfriend insisted we bring a tent and stay at a campground. I found one about 10 miles south of the city. When we arrived we had a swim and noticed an odd smell pervasive throughout the campground. Only later that day when going to catch the bus did we realize the neighborhoods to the west were funneling their sewage directly into the Med, as we passed over the river of shit. Needless to say, I won't be staying at that campground again.
adding... Barcelona, from what I can tell, does not aggressively support road expansion and therefore by default controls the number of cars. Because when driving becomes more time consuming people stop driving. You will find this tactic used in any decent public transport system.
cars are played out
and anybody who visits Park Güell in Barcelona surely will complain that after stepping off the tram, the 30 minute uphill hike to the park in 90 degree weather is unpleasant.
you don't mean Manhattan here -- you really mean Brooklyn. Three and four story buildings, some separate houses with lawns (Ditmas Park), lots of single-family houses, and lots of subways, buses, express buses to Wall Street and a few old elevated trains.
The proximity of Manhattan and its job market warps the transit map a bit, but otherwise Brooklyn is basically he equivalent of Barcelona for transit. you can have a car, but you certainly don't need one.
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