today's outrages are where ever bush and dickhead are.
singe |
03.01.08 - 7:21 am | #
Well, there's always the way schools shine a kleiglight on the poorer students at lunch time.
Morning, rational people.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 7:23 am | #
Bush and Cheney are still in the White House. We're still in Iraq. Outrages enough.
David Derbes, writin' away |
03.01.08 - 7:23 am | #
Luckily, at my son's school, everyone gets a pin number, and no one knows whether it goes to a prepaid account or a school lunch program account.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 7:24 am | #
Outrage? Not quite that far, but very pissed off.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:24 am | #
No outrages here, just hopes for a new baby, soonest.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 7:25 am | #
The lack of flying cars.
underwhelm |
03.01.08 - 7:25 am | #
Okay, back to bed.
I'll post as soon as I hear something; anything.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 7:26 am | #
Unfortunately, Molly, your son attends one of the few schools which has the electronic pay system.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 7:26 am | #
Hey! I might be able to fish in my boat next week.
However, I dunno if white-water fishing is really something I will choose to do.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:26 am | #
from below in case rootless is still around:
Where are your machine shop friends?
rootless-e, email-listed!
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My sample is small:
one friend works at Lenape Steel near West Chester, PA.
The other was my friend Mike who I was talking with last night at the bar. Mike runs a shop near Wilmington, DE.
Nancy Willing
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:27 am | #
Well, there's always the way schools shine a kleiglight on the poorer students at lunch time.
Imagine a world where economic status were a protected class...
underwhelm |
03.01.08 - 7:27 am | #
Well, there's always the way schools shine a kleiglight on the poorer students at lunch time.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
It really seems like it would be harder to come up with a worse solution than the one SF is using.
Here the kids give a number to the cashier. Some kids' parents deposit money with the school, and some are on subsidized meals; there's no difference in how they check out.
I can't believe that a little backwater like Volusia County can solve this problem while a major urban area like SF goes the separate but equal route.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 7:27 am | #
Mukasey won't refer the contempt charges against Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers to a grand jury. That's kinda crazy-making -- but not surprising.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:28 am | #
Meanwhile - The war at home
In both raw figures and as a percentage of the population, the US is the world leader in the rate at which it puts its people behind bars. A new report using state-by-state data says a record 2,319,258 Americans were in jail or prison at the start of 2008—one out of every 99.1 adults.
The report by the Pew Center on the States also documents record increases in financial outlays for incarceration, with the 50 US states spending more than $49 billion on prisons last year, almost five times more than the $11 billion spent 20 years ago.
The rate of increase for prison costs last year was six times higher than the rate of increase for higher education spending. With many US states strapped for cash and facing budget shortfalls, the spending for prisons and jails has resulted in a proportionate decrease in spending on education and other social needs.
An astonishing one of every nine black men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars. For black women ages 35 to 39, one in 100 is imprisoned, compared with one in 355 white women of the same age.
The largest percentage increase was in Kentucky, which had 12 percent more inmates in state prisons and jails at the beginning of this year than at the beginning of 2007. While the state’s crime rate has increased by only about 3 percent over the last three decades, the state’s prison population has increased by 600 percent.
The Pew study shows that state corrections budgets now consume 6.8 percent of state general funds. This means that one in every 15 dollars from states’ discretionary funds goes towards prison costs.
As a percentage, in fiscal year 2006 transportation was the only category of spending by states to increase more than costs for prisons and jails, which increased by 9.2 percent during this period. This increase outpaced spending on education and Medicaid.
A comparison of the funds spent by states on higher education with spending on incarceration provides a revealing glimpse into priorities. In 2007, states collectively spent $72.88 billion on higher education, an increase of 121 percent over the $33 billion spent in 1987. During this same period, prison-related spending rose 315 percent, with states spending a combined $44 billion in 2007, up from $10.6 billion two decades earlier.
Gimlet |
03.01.08 - 7:29 am | #
Unfortunately, Molly, your son attends one of the few schools which has the electronic pay system.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
It seems to me that kids know anyway.
When a girl & her mom showed up for horse lessons yesterday just as my daughter was finishing, we checked each other out & I could tell that she had more money than me & she could probably tell the same about me.
whiskeyina |
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03.01.08 - 7:30 am | #
Yippee - it's going to be above 32f, a whole 4 days next week!
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:31 am | #
Mukasey won't refer the contempt charges against Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers to a grand jury. That's kinda crazy-making -- but not surprising.
plantsman, persona non grata
When I saw that headline & photo yesterday, I almost barfed.
Can we get rid of all the criminals yet??
Oops: TOAST! I'm going back to bed with toast & coffee & watch the snow. Ahh, Saturday.
see you later folks.
whiskeyina |
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03.01.08 - 7:32 am | #
I can't believe that a little backwater like Volusia County can solve this problem while a major urban area like SF goes the separate but equal route.
V for Virginia
Agreed, V. But the NYT article I based my post on indicates that SF isn't the only area with the segregated route.
Appalling.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 7:32 am | #
It seems to me that kids know anyway.
I only work in elementary schools, where I'm positive the kids don't give it a thought. Older kids might make an issue of it, but you have to at least afford the students some dignity.
That's just wrongity-wrong-wrong-wrong.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 7:32 am | #
repost
My sample is small:
one friend works at Lenape Steel near West Chester, PA.
The other was my friend Mike who I was talking with last night at the bar. Mike runs a shop near Wilmington, DE.
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 7:23 am | #
US machine shops are really in trouble. Of course we don't need them anymore because people can work in real-estate sales and finance - oops!
When President Obama gets a big solar power works project installed, they might get some civilian work.
rootless-e, email-listed! | 03.01.08 - 7:25 am | #
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 7:33 am | #
The report by the Pew Center on the States also documents record increases in financial outlays for incarceration, with the 50 US states spending more than $49 billion on prisons last year, almost five times more than the $11 billion spent 20 years ago.
Really? I'm surprised, because we've been going the privatization route, which everyone knows is much more cost-effective! Weird.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 7:34 am | #
Outrageous outrages abound
The sun rises with no sound
Birds begin to twitter
the economy drops into the shitter.
vox clamantis in red state |
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03.01.08 - 7:34 am | #
SF's public schools face a variety of challenges, from extreme ethnic diversity and number of different languages spoken at home to the wide economic disparity of the students.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:35 am | #
Yippee - it's going to be above 32f, a whole 4 days next week!
Barndog, without cat on lap
Careful you don't get heat stroke.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 7:35 am | #
Careful you don't get heat stroke
Yeah, no kidding.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:36 am | #
Mukasey won't refer the contempt charges against Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers to a grand jury. That's kinda crazy-making -- but not surprising.
Should have been a condition of his senate approval.
underwhelm |
03.01.08 - 7:37 am | #
Should have been a condition of his senate approval.
underwhelm | 03.01.08 - 7:37 am | #
The Senate that approved Mr. "The Unitary Executive is Gospel" as a judge, on the supreme court?
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 7:37 am | #
I say throw all the bastards out of office, and start over.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:38 am | #
Mukasey won't refer the contempt charges against Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers to a grand jury.
Surely impeaching him would be less controversial and re-establish some balance in government.
Gimlet |
03.01.08 - 7:39 am | #
I say throw all the bastards out of office, and start over.
Barndog, without cat on lap
That's a plan I could get behind.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 7:39 am | #
The Senate that approved Mr. "The Unitary Executive is Gospel" as a judge, on the supreme court?
As Harry Reid alluded to - this guy is the best we can get the president to offer up.
In other words, reaching into the shit barrel, and pulling something out is now standard operating procedure.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:39 am | #
ql -- thanks for the game. There's this note under "please add this word" in the dictionary link:
"We DO NOT edit the word list. Kindly do not request us to add or remove certain words like 'ZEN' or 'IRAQ'."
I suspect you people have a conspiracy to let me win a few so you'll still have me to kick around, anyway
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 7:39 am | #
Morning all.
Been away (mostly) since Thursday night.
I'm assuming lots of irksome stuff has happened while I've been gone?
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 7:40 am | #
V has more mail, and a new game.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 7:40 am | #
So yesterday, MSNBC said the new goalposts being erected for Tuesday's elections, caucuses, and whatever included the notion that if Obama doesn't win all 4 State contests, even though he'll still likely have the most delegates, he will no longer be "viable." I can't keep up.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:40 am | #
In other words, reaching into the shit barrel, and pulling something out is now standard operating procedure.
Barndog, without cat on lap | 03.01.08 - 7:39 am | #
Amazing how often what you pull out of the shit barrel is, well, shit.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 7:41 am | #
When a girl & her mom showed up for horse lessons yesterday just as my daughter was finishing, we checked each other out & I could tell that she had more money than me & she could probably tell the same about me.
whiskeyina
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heh, especially around hores people. My end was always as the non-rider groom for the rich's race horses.
Friends growing up all had a horse but my parents were budgeting for eight kids to all get college.
If you can manage to get your kids to ignore material class differences, you'll have some classy kids!
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:41 am | #
...horse people
no coffee yet
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:42 am | #
Plantsman: That's the Mark Penn spin. If Obama does win Texas and comes close in Ohio, however, I suspect the superdelegates will start lining up.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 7:42 am | #
Can you freeze wheat? I've never thought about it before.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 7:43 am | #
Yes, you can freeze wheat, in loosely filled freezer bags or airtight containers.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:44 am | #
Can you freeze wheat?
I can't fathom why.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:44 am | #
Diane,
your post is heart breaking. This publicity should shame them into rectifying things.
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:44 am | #
Can you freeze wheat? I've never thought about it before.
Moe Szyslak, cold
I can't fathom why.
Barndog,
*
bug control?
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:45 am | #
Whole wheat flour at room temperature has a shelf life of about 6 months, iirc. Bleached, branless flour lasts longer.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:46 am | #
I'm placing a bunch of my food orders today. I can get the red fyfe directly from the mill, or I can get the kernels, but I don't have a mill. How difficult is that?
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 7:46 am | #
your post is heart breaking. This publicity should shame them into rectifying things.
Nancy Willing
Well, ordinarily it would, but the governor has decided to give the schools even less money this year because of the deficit the state has been running.
Can't raise taxes, you know: wouldn't be prudent.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 7:47 am | #
Getting a mill? Not. Lehmans.com has hand and electric models for Amish and not.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:47 am | #
Well, ordinarily it would, but the governor has decided to give the schools even less money this year because of the deficit the state has been running.
Can't raise taxes, you know: wouldn't be prudent.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 7:47 am | #
Why do they need electronic payments? That seems like an excuse for a nasty system.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 7:48 am | #
BREAKING NEWS RE: THE BABY OF NIM AND JEN!
Just talked to my mother. Nothing yet, but...Nim just called her and Jen's water just broke and she's dilated to 9 cm!
Baby should be here before too long.
Jen had an epidural and is resting a bit more comfortably.
That. is. all.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 7:49 am | #
My big from-away vice: I just ordered 100 bucks worth of coffee beans.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 7:49 am | #
plantsman, Lehman's prices tend to be, how shall I put this, high.
I bought mine from Johnny's Selected Seeds.
Anthony McCarthy |
03.01.08 - 7:50 am | #
The hockling is taking its good natured time, isn't it.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 7:50 am | #
Really? I'm surprised, because we've been going the privatization route, which everyone knows is much more cost-effective! Weird.
V for Virginia
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our state just got reamed up the ass by us activists and the local paper's investigative team for horrid prison health condidtions.
Once the 'brother with two heads' was exposed, (they allowed a tumor to grow on an inmate that got as large as his head), the feds have come in to moniter things.
We had been contracting with a private health care for-profit.
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:51 am | #
The hockling is taking its good natured time, isn't it.
Damn straight! The leap baby has moved to an "in like a lion" baby.
I can't wait. Depending on when, etc., mom and I will drive to TC to see the critter either today or tomorrow.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 7:51 am | #
AM, I know; but I had no other resource to offer. When I found a wind-proof umbrella at Hammacher-Schlemmer for ten bucks less than Lehman's, I figured that out.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:52 am | #
Mukasey won't refer the contempt charges against Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers to a grand jury.
Mukasey was the last straw. How many times do the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee have to get punked by the Republican fascists before they wise up? Schumer is a fucking moron who should be replaced by a real Democrat who isn't a fucking moron.
Anthony McCarthy |
03.01.08 - 7:53 am | #
plantsman, you probably saw this or were pointed to it, but there was a front page article in tne NY Times Thursday about a "Fortress of Solitude" on a Norwegian island to hold samples of every seed in the world. Amazing. The picture of the structure looked like something out of a science fiction story.
David Derbes, writin' away |
03.01.08 - 7:53 am | #
That. is. all.
Vicki, Who ♥ life
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YAH~! Do you know boy or girl?
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:53 am | #
Johnny's is closer to Nova Scotia, too.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:53 am | #
On the bright side, W F Buckley is still dead.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 7:54 am | #
Local Seed Savers Exchanges don't have a fortress,
but they do great and valuable work.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:54 am | #
On the bright side, W F Buckley is still dead
I will note, that the sun is shining brightly this morning.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 7:55 am | #
We're having a baby! Cool!
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 7:55 am | #
On the bright side, W F Buckley is still dead.
Tell me when the yucky fawning eulogies stop, please.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:55 am | #
On the bright side, W F Buckley is still dead
Time for donkey punches with Asmodeus!
William F Buckley |
03.01.08 - 7:57 am | #
"Fortress of Solitude" on a Norwegian island to hold samples of every seed in the world. Amazing.
See, this is the sad state of affairs we've reached, where people think it's a wise thing to make museum pieces out of seeds.
Seeds should be openly pollinated, traded and freely given between farmers and growers, and ever-evolving, to local conditions, year after year after year.
That, anyway, is what happened for 10,000 years or so. Unless changed, our present system of corporate ownership of seed lines will result in a disaster of epic proportions.
The seed museum does nothing to address this, except give a false sense of security.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 7:57 am | #
Schumer is a fucking moron who should be replaced by a real Democrat who isn't a fucking moron.
Anthony McCarthy
"the Foundation for Defense of Democracies launched a national ad campaign lambasting House Democrats for not passing the Senate surveillance bill, which comes complete with retroactive immunity for the telecoms.
As of Friday, the group, which claims to be non-partisan, boasted a number of Democrats on their board of advisors.
Those were: Donna Brazile, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Rep. Elliot Engel (D-NY), Rep. Jim Marshall, and former Georgia governor Zell Miller. Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), listed as a Democrat on the site, is one of five "distinguished advisors.""
Gimlet |
03.01.08 - 7:59 am | #
weird that a scientist thinks that rain and snow may mostly form on bacteria, and not dust...
oh and the campaign is all about the economy and iraq, stick with those winning issues dems
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 7:59 am | #
On the bright side, W F Buckley is still dead.
leibniz♘☮
And Reagan!
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 7:59 am | #
Peggy Noonan was waxing idiotic about how Buckley "raised Conservative discourse" on Morning Joe. No one asked, "So what happened to it, Peggy?"
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 7:59 am | #
The sun is out here with a hellish wind and 42 degrees blowing in every crack.
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 7:59 am | #
Boy. Adam Alexander.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:00 am | #
There, got the kitchen floor scrubbed. I swear, anyone who installs white linolium in a kitchen should have their heads examined.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:00 am | #
They opened up a new circle of hell to take in the foetid soul of William F. Buckley. Everyone ignores him for eternity, he suffers the torments of every one of the people whose oppression he advocated and, at the end of it, he has to listen to his moron son's superficia, pansy-assedl shit for eternity without the ability to tell him to shut his fucking mouth.
Anthony McCarthy |
03.01.08 - 8:00 am | #
Boy. Adam Alexander
Heh. My son was Alex Anthony.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 8:01 am | #
Time for donkey punches with Asmodeus!
William F Buckley
Oh Christ, we have a dead zombie, William H. Rehnquist, who posts here, and now a dead gasssssbag. Who knew that Atrios would attract ghosts?
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:01 am | #
Good day, beautiful people,
GO JEN GO!!!
Good game, Molly!
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:02 am | #
And bebe rebozo, not to forget!
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:02 am | #
Those were: Donna Brazile, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Rep. Elliot Engel (D-NY), Rep. Jim Marshall, and former Georgia governor Zell Miller. Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), listed as a Democrat on the site, is one of five "distinguished advisors.""
Gimlet
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yeah, Atrios posted on this infamous group last year and I noted a local prof, Jan Ting, was on one of their advisory boards. Jan ran a GOPer anti-illegal alien campaign for US Senate rather like Rudi's 9/11, that was his entire platform.
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 8:02 am | #
Heh. My son was Alex Anthony.
Awwwwhhhh.
Hey, would you be interested in meeting someone from Arizona who is coming to visit? This person has always really liked you.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:02 am | #
Vicki, does Bebe Robozo's ghost still haunt these threads? I don't get around as much as I used to.
Liddy Dole might count as a ghost. Or a doppleganger.
Anthony McCarthy |
03.01.08 - 8:03 am | #
OK, I'm off for breakfast and a little more coffee.
Have a good Saturday morning, bats, and Vicki, please send my best to Nim and Jen and the new baby, when he finally decides to be born.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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03.01.08 - 8:03 am | #
bebe rebozo shows up every blue moon.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:03 am | #
William F. Buckley
raised conservative discourse
from nigger nigger nigger
to the same thing,
but less coarse
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:04 am | #
Vicki - possibly I would.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 8:04 am | #
Will do, Diane! Thanks.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:04 am | #
Once in a great, great while; the third nipple is invoked.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:04 am | #
Peggy Noonan was waxing idiotic about how Buckley "raised Conservative discourse" on Morning Joe. No one asked, "So what happened to it, Peggy?"
plantsman, persona non grata
Why "Wormtongue" George Will continues the Bow Tie legacy of Buckley.
Gimlet |
03.01.08 - 8:04 am | #
Once in a great, great while; the third nipple is invoked.
And gerbils.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:05 am | #
A horse is a horse, of course (of course)....
By the way -- Animal Heaven sucks. Totally gay.
I just had breakfast with Morris the Cat. Sheesh -- what a bitchy old fruit...
the ghost of barbero |
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03.01.08 - 8:05 am | #
Simels, you slay me.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:05 am | #
Barndog,
I will e-mail under separate cover. I will, however, permit you to use your intellectual prowess to deduce about what I am proposing.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:06 am | #
Vicki, Who ♥ life:
EschaCon08 -- it's our last chance, kiddo.
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:06 am | #
Oh, gack. Beastly homophones!
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
I don't know if she's still a drunk but Peggy Noonan is a mumbling drunk sober. She's an embarassment to the English language.
Anthony McCarthy |
03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
My milkshake brings all the goats to the yard...
Saint Ralph |
03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
Why "Wormtongue" George Will continues the Bow Tie legacy of Buckley.
Gimlet | 03.01.08 - 8:04 am | #
That's an insult to Wormtongue.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
EschaCon08 -- it's our last chance, kiddo.
Why, sweetie? You croakin' on me?
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
Why, sweetie? You croakin' on me?
Vicki, Who ♥ life | 03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
No, but if I was, rumor has it you can raise the dead.
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:10 am | #
bebe rebozo shows up every blue moon.
With blue balls.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:10 am | #
rumor has it you can raise the dead.
I think you're confusing me with Candy Crawley, babe.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:10 am | #
I don't know if she's still a drunk but Peggy Noonan is a mumbling drunk sober. She's an embarassment to the English language.
Anthony McCarthy | 03.01.08 - 8:07 am | #
Hey -- no dissing Our Lady of the Dolphins.
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:11 am | #
I had a good friend yesterday say that W F Buckley was an intellectual and wrote well. That he was amusing. That his stand on things like the drugs and the war were admirable. I told her what I wrote here yesterday, that just because some Nazi officers dressed well and could play Beethoven did not make them less despicable. Just because some concentration camp commandants liked to hear jews play classical quartets was no license for what they did. Some of them were even vegetarians and opposed smoking. So what? All in all, Buckley was more bad than good and left the world a far worse place for the role he played in making this republic more fascist and more married to moneyed interests. And he was a twit.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 8:11 am | #
Vicki - let me get a little more stonder first...
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 8:12 am | #
When Buckley physically attacked Gore Vidal on National Television screaming "You little, pink Quee-ahh!" he didn't seem so classy.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:13 am | #
william f. buckley
composting since 2008
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:14 am | #
Mike Smith, the lead singer of British band the Dave Clark Five, died on Thursday of pneumonia at an English hospital, his U.S. agent said.
Smith, 64, was admitted to a hospital outside London on Wednesday morning with a chest infection resulting from complications of a 2003 spinal cord injury that had left him paralyzed from the waist down, his New York agent, Margo Lewis, said in a statement.
His death came just two weeks before the Dave Clark Five -- one of the leading bands of the 1960s British invasion -- was due to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The Dave Clark Five, whose hits included "Glad All Over" and "Bits and Pieces," were one of the first British bands to find major success in the United States after the Beatles.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:14 am | #
woohoo wikileaks is freed...they make the ACLU look like a children's tea party: they had gotten initially dissed because of leaking illegal offshore banking by rich assholes in the caymans, but that it also contained private information: a judge yesterday reversed the shutdown of the site
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03.01.08 - 8:14 am | #
william f buckley
advancing the Diet of Worms
since 2008
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
When Buckley physically attacked Gore Vidal on National Television screaming "You little, pink Quee-ahh!" he didn't seem so classy.
That debate was one of the great moments of television.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
It was always a hoot that people cited Buckley's use of the last movement of the 2nd Brandenburg Cto. as his theme music. There is not a more vulgar use of Bach's music than the one he put it to. The man was a sewer rat with manicured claws, a cess pool masked with Channel.
Anthony McCarthy |
03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
But..but I don't want the extra-large pineapple up there!! Can't it be the small one instead?
William F Buckley |
03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
I had a good friend yesterday say that W F Buckley was an intellectual and wrote well.
I once had a friend from Virginia who told me he was proud of his great-grandfather, who had fought for the Confederacy.
I asked "does it really not matter what you fight for?"
I still think it does.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
When Buckley physically attacked Gore Vidal on National Television screaming "You little, pink Quee-ahh!" he didn't seem so classy.
plantsman, persona non grata | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:13 am | #
Gore Vidal was everything Buckley wanted to be.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
I am fighting for a 20 hour work week.
trifecta |
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03.01.08 - 8:16 am | #
Marce,
steve has a lovely tribute at PowerPop.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:16 am | #
I've often wondered if Mel Brooks used 'Blazing Saddles' - as a model for swiping at the conservative view of black people.
He did a damm fine job if you ask me.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 8:16 am | #
The Dave Clark Five, whose hits included "Glad All Over" and "Bits and Pieces," were one of the first British bands to find major success in the United States after the Beatles.
Marcellina | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:14 am | #
that's sad.
they were an interesting mix of 'R&B, pop, and 'white turtleneck fashion.'
Hello Boot Heels!!!!!!!!!
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:16 am | #
advancing the Diet of Worms
since 2008
juan no no nsense
HAH!
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 8:17 am | #
On an unrelated note, I was using my laptop yesterday when, without cause or provocation of any kind, it decided to shut itself off and then refused to re-start. Once it finally agreed to re-start (in a slow and sickly sort of way), it appears that it deleted (or at least refuses to display) most (though not all) of the files which had been saved on it. I'm prepared to accept the laptop's demise but not the loss of those files, which I actually need to work on this weekend.
Don't know why but I find that funny.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:17 am | #
good morning. is jen delivered?
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:17 am | #
I am fighting for a 20 hour work week.
trifecta
I've got 20 extra hours of work to do this weekend. You can have them.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 8:17 am | #
Jeb Stuart was a true gentleman.
Idont know if Buckley said this but I can see him reclining with his face screwed up like he's tasting Emporer Hirohito's urine with his little lemming paws lifting and falling.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:18 am | #
Sadly for Jen, she was still in process at last report.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:18 am | #
Barndog, e-male.
Chicago dyke, not yet.
But soon, perhaps. Dilated to 9, water broke...
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:18 am | #
He did a damm fine job if you ask me.
Barndog, without cat on lap | 03.01.08 - 8:16 am | #
Overheard at the takeout yesterday - table full of middle aged white people who'd been drinking
"Michael Jordan became the best basketball player ever, Tiger Woods became the best golfer ever, so let's have another black guy be the best president ever"
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:19 am | #
Speaking of Wm F Buckley, I've mentioned this before, but ---
Whenever I catch myself saying something really, really pretentious, I always stick my tongue out and say in my best Buckley voice "Have I mentioned I sleep with young boys?"
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:19 am | #
so let's have another black guy be the best president ever"
rootless-e, email-listed!
Sarcasm?
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03.01.08 - 8:19 am | #
btw; i recall the manufactured 'Beatles vs. Dave Clark 5' frenzy (oh as a kid I certainly bought into it) with the cover of one magazine showing Mike saying:
'The Girls Prefer Us!'
I"m sure these quotes were just pulled from thin air.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:19 am | #
I am fighting for a 20 hour work week.
trifecta
we're closer to that than you think, and we should be. mostly the american works to consume. so much of what we pay for we could do without, or do better, more cheaply, here at home. i'm no economist, but i'm fairly sure that 20hrs of labor in a modern, technological society is more than enough to cover the cost of the individual's energy, food and housing needs. the rest is luxury. not that there's anything automatically wrong with luxe.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:20 am | #
Buckley always struck me as a big drinker. Am I wrong?
His face was puffity puff puff puffy.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:20 am | #
mr unity. heh:
March 1, 2008
Bloomberg Steps In to Help G.O.P. in Albany Fight
By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
While declaring his commitment to nonpartisanship, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is quietly injecting himself — and his money — into one of the most explosive partisan battles in decades in New York.
Several weeks ago, the mayor wrote a $500,000 check to help keep the dwindling and increasingly imperiled State Senate Republicans from losing their grip on power, according to an official with direct knowledge of the donation.
The Democrats are seeking to gain control of the Senate for the first time in 40 years, and the race is growing personal and bitter.
Moreover, Mr. Bloomberg has made clear to the Republicans that he is willing to personally campaign for G.O.P. senators.
The mayor’s efforts to buttress the party stand in sharp contrast to his message as he traveled the country flirting with a presidential bid during the past year. Mr. Bloomberg has promoted his independence, denouncing party politics and dramatically announcing his resignation from the Republican Party.
nona |
03.01.08 - 8:20 am | #
There aren't any young boys down here.
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03.01.08 - 8:21 am | #
I was using my laptop yesterday when, without cause or provocation of any kind, it decided to shut itself off and then refused to re-start. Once it finally agreed to re-start (in a slow and sickly sort of way), it appears that it deleted (or at least refuses to display) most (though not all) of the files which had been saved on it.
a tinfoil conspiracist would be scared: there is an inexpensive device called ironkey (and there are others) which is a USB drive but uses military-grade encryption.
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 8:21 am | #
His face was puffity puff puff puffy.
Vicki, Who ♥ life | 03.01.08 - 8:20 am | #
he only drank sacramental wine the blood of christ by the bucket full
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:21 am | #
as a youngun i was overly impressed by the buckleys and bishop sheens elite sort of sophistication they presented on my little teevee. later in life it came to me that these were the type of right wingers that confuse the hell out of wishy-washy liberals. mccain kinda has that effect. can be dangerous.
hilldick |
03.01.08 - 8:21 am | #
I am fighting for a 20 hour work week.
trifecta
Me, too. I hope there's no flair involved.
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03.01.08 - 8:21 am | #
I asked "does it really not matter what you fight for?"
I still think it does.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:15 am | #
In the abstract, it's tilting at windmills.
In real life, if you're still bitching about the War of Northern Aggression, i.e. one of those neo-Confederate asswipes who are bankrolling Huckabee, you're a fricking racist.
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:22 am | #
That data can surely be recovered by any competent
computer tech.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:22 am | #
rootless-e, email-listed! | 03.01.08 - 8:19 am | #
really? can i post that? that's fascinating. can you tell me more?
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:22 am | #
Sarcasm?
V for Virginia, home again | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:19 am | #
They were not being sarcastic. A little drunk, but they were fans.
The more I live in this country, and the more I live with people, the less I understand.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:22 am | #
not that there's anything automatically wrong with luxe.
chicago dyke,
No, but I swear, when I see the crap people waste their money on it makes me sick. Fake jewel wine corks, little flags denoting the change of season, kitchy coo wall hangings. All useless shit.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:23 am | #
Thanks Bloomberg. Guarantee 20 more years of gridlock, why don't you?
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:23 am | #
Michael Bloomberg subverting democracy with his bazillions! Condi could never have imagined!
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:23 am | #
bloomberg is another; the meme out there is that bloomberg is really a democrat. democrats arent usually worth billions. more horseshit from the msm.
hilldick |
03.01.08 - 8:23 am | #
elementary school kids in canada are wild about obama.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:24 am | #
No, but I swear, when I see the crap people waste their money on it makes me sick. Fake jewel wine corks, little flags denoting the change of season, kitchy coo wall hangings. All useless shit.
I just made my own reality.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:25 am | #
I would guess that we are losing tool & die makers, and that is not good.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 8:25 am | #
Speaking of tidal waves: The guy who was arrested for offering to blow the other guy in the beach restroom and to give him $20 for the privilege (because he was askeered) was replaced by a Dem. It's only state lege, but it's red down there (Cape, Patrick AFB).
I think that wind will soon shake the windows and rattle the walls.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 8:25 am | #
I just made my own reality.
Does it include mimi?
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 8:26 am | #
I'm bold and I'm proud.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 8:26 am | #
Yeah, plantsman's right. Thers had a motherboard failure last month, and the guys were able to transfer all the data files, though not the programs. (They, err, did want us to buy our new laptop from them, but as it was reasonable and good, we were willing to do that.)
We seem to have mislaid our Office disks, so we're just using OpenOffice now.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:26 am | #
really? can i post that? that's fascinating. can you tell me more?
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:22 am | #
Chi-d - i like your writing, but I'm staying away from the corrente-hate-obama-fest.
The story about Obama's secret allegiance to sharia law was the final straw.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:26 am | #
Buffett Says U.S. Trade Imbalance Lures Sovereign Wealth Funds
By Josh P. Hamilton
March 1 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire investor Warren Buffett stepped into a debate about the emergence of sovereign wealth funds, saying the government-controlled firms are fueled by U.S. spending overseas, not political motives.
``This is our doing, not some nefarious plot by foreign governments,'' Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., said yesterday in his annual letter to shareholders. ``Our trade equation guarantees massive foreign investment in the U.S. When we force-feed $2 billion daily to the rest of the world, they must invest in something here.''
Countries including China, Russia and Dubai have deployed record central bank reserves to set up funds wielding as much as $2.9 trillion. Firms from Singapore, Korea, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi bought stakes during the past four months in Citigroup Inc., the biggest U.S. bank by assets, and Merrill Lynch & Co., the world's biggest brokerage. Officials from the U.S. Treasury Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission have said there's a risk government-controlled funds may invest to achieve political, rather than commercial, ends.
``He's right that we're the ones that created the problem in the first place,'' said Mohnish Pabrai, who manages $600 million at Pabrai Investment Funds in Irvine, California. ``The U.S. is better off if foreign governments buy Treasuries, because we have a printing press for them, but if I were running China's money, I'd be buying U.S. companies, oil reserves, hard assets too.''
trade imbalance as a national security issue? who'da thunk? there's another one to hammer on the fascist GOPer party
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 8:27 am | #
I just made my own reality.
Does it include mimi?
Only when I forget to take my meds.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:27 am | #
All useless shit.
I still don't know what to think about the fact that it costs a great deal more to have shoes re-soled than it would to just buy a new pair.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:27 am | #
the type of right wingers that confuse the hell out of wishy-washy liberals. mccain kinda has that effect. can be dangerous.
hilldick | 03.01.08 - 8:21 am |
You know, I keep hearing that McCain will attract independents, i.e., people that might otherwise vote for a Democrat, and I'm thinking --
What the fuck?
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:27 am | #
Buckley always struck me as a big drinker. Am I wrong?
we don't talk about it enough. i'm trying to think of the right joke- if you think journos and politicos like free food, you should see them when there's free booze. they don't call it the 'cocktail party circuit' for nothing, the Village is awash in baccanalian excess 365 days a year. a friend of mine who is on teevee sometimes says he never bothers to go without getting stoned first- the better to fit in with the regulars.
brainrot explains much that our press produces, imho.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:28 am | #
I sort of feel sorry for gay Republicans, who must be the most repressed, unhappy people on the planet.
But then I think about all the suffering they cause to other people, and I feel less bad about their dilemma.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:28 am | #
Only if the GOP can gin up a terra attack for St. John to get puffed-up over.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:29 am | #
I still don't know what to think about the fact that it costs a great deal more to have shoes re-soled than it would to just buy a new pair.
Part of the design of our throwaway culture. Shoes made cheaply in China versus rare, expensive cobblers here at home...
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:29 am | #
I sort of feel sorry for gay Republicans, who must be the most repressed, unhappy people on the planet.
I love you, but I don't feel sorry for them. They create their own reality (sort of like NTodd).
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:30 am | #
Only when I forget to take my meds.
I think a lot of us have that problem.
Speaking of which, she's been AWOL a while, no? Not that I miss her....
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:30 am | #
Buckley always struck me as a big drinker. Am I wrong?
And a pothead. He always used to joke about how he smoked marijuana on somebody's yacht, i.e., outside the territorial limit of American soil, and thus not illegal.
steve simels |
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03.01.08 - 8:30 am | #
Having shoes re-soled involves hiring a local at prevailing wages who has some idea what they are about. QED.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:30 am | #
I still don't know what to think about the fact that it costs a great deal more to have shoes re-soled than it would to just buy a new pair.
And DVD players, and TVs, and computers... a lot of things are just cheaper to replace.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:31 am | #
if you think journos and politicos like free food, you should see them when there's free booze
Don't feel sorry for them, Molly. They may feel pressure to stay in the closet, but no one ever forced them to become Republicans. That they did of their own free will.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:31 am | #
she's been posting as VCN. But you're right, not often.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:31 am | #
After universal healthcare, universal vodka and recyclable livers!
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:32 am | #
Speaking of which, she's been AWOL a while, no? Not that I miss her....
She was VNF the other day, going after toothless watertiger...
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:32 am | #
i have a pair of italian shoes made in the 80's that are still pimp...the 350 paid back then was well worth it
my grandpa was an old italian cobbler, my dad still has shoes he made in the 60's
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 8:33 am | #
She was VNF the other day, going after toothless watertiger...
That was so fuckin' stupid. The whole thing. watertiger can more than take care of herself, but still, those barbs from mememememememe were ridiculous and uncalled for.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:33 am | #
They may feel pressure to stay in the closet, but no one ever forced them to become Republicans. That they did of their own free will.
Yes, but imagine the damage it must do to your soul to live a lie.
The farmer across the street is gay, and about 75. Sweet guy, if a little casual about picking up the whole manure thing. (No idea if he's a Republican.) How awful must it have been to grow up in a rural world without any kind of cultural context to help you understand your feelings?
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
You know, I keep hearing that McCain will attract independents, i.e., people that might otherwise vote for a Democrat, and I'm thinking --
What the fuck?
steve simels | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:27 am | #
A guy I know from work out in Palo Alto told me last year that McCain had come to some industry show and talked and how smart and shit he was. And this was a typical bay area geek - pro-choice, sierra-club, liberal diberal.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
NTodd probably has the correct nym.
Speaking of which, my daughter's coming to visit for a few days. Will be nice now that she has grown out of the my parents don't know anything phase.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
Oh kaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy ~
I'll go back to bed. I didn't sleep much last night.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
mimi is a computer generated program designed to eat up space and energy.
an experiment. a composite.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
I used the chipotles, mogwai; you were right.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
Chi-d - i like your writing, but I'm staying away from the corrente-hate-obama-fest.
rootless, you're very kind, you don't have to say that. you may have missed it, i posted recently that i'm dropping out of posting or commenting on the hilbama wars altogether. it all just flows on by...i am the leaf on the stream, ya dig?
anyway, i just thought the anecdote fascinating. not for what it says about obama, but more for what it means about what people think of their relationship to their leaders. presidents are like...famous athletes. hmmmm. i have to think on that. also, the notion that white people "allowed" black elites to rise to the top of their respective ahem, games. that is interesting to me for several reasons.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
She was VNF the other day, going after toothless watertiger...
Oh, not smart. Not smart at all.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
All useless shit.
Buying useless shit today spares our grandchildren from the indignity. Consuming all the natural resources is a noble intergenerational gesture.
underwhelm |
03.01.08 - 8:35 am | #
Guy on the radio doesn't know how many American states there are. "Fifty-odd..."
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 8:35 am | #
Oh, not smart. Not smart at all
BOOT TO THE HEAD!
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 8:36 am | #
I don't think so, juan. Too many personal digs. There's a very troubled individual behind those posts.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:36 am | #
To be fair, I'd have to think for a minute about how many provinces there are.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:36 am | #
Guy on the radio doesn't know how many American states there are. "Fifty-odd..."
Moe Szyslak, cold
Take a poll and find out how many Americans know how many provinces Canada has. Although I thought the disparity was a point of pride with Canadarians.
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 8:36 am | #
Interesting. I don't buy much useless shit, but people certainly give me my fair share of it.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:37 am | #
Why should a Canadian know how many states there are. I don't really know how many provinces are in Canada or Mexico.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:37 am | #
Marcellina, are you still in that Albanian prison?
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:37 am | #
i posted recently that i'm dropping out of posting or commenting on the hilbama wars altogether.
*
who needs more war?
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 8:37 am | #
You know, I keep hearing that McCain will attract independents, i.e., people that might otherwise vote for a Democrat, and I'm thinking --
What the fuck?
steve simels | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:27 am | #
no shit, wtf. kevin drum recently had a poll of mccain supporters and a huge number of them were anti-war. not to mention supportive of abortion rights, etc. how can the disconnect be that fucking stark? damn. that's what makes me very nervous about november.
nona |
03.01.08 - 8:37 am | #
okay marcellina/
you might be right---------
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:37 am | #
A guy I know from work out in Palo Alto told me last year that McCain had come to some industry show and talked and how smart and shit he was. And this was a typical bay area geek - pro-choice, sierra-club, liberal diberal.
my experience with bay area geeks is that 90% of them are rightwingers
plantsman, that's great
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
Take a poll and find out how many Americans know how many provinces Canada has. Although I thought the disparity was a point of pride with Canadarians.
V for Virginia, home again | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:36 am | #
well, certainly there are 50 'odd' American states, are there not?
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
Well, this isn't some random guy on the street, but rather an "expert" on Nafta.
We're still talking about that up here, see, ever since the Dem debate.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
My favorite Canadian territory is Nunavut.
It's a great name...
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
have to think on that. also, the notion that white people "allowed" black elites to rise to the top of their respective ahem, games. that is interesting to me for several reasons.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:34 am | #
I don't think it's exactly "allowed", but the Obama campaign is reminding me of that scene in Do the Right thing where Spike's character is talking to the italian kid in the Pizza place.
From the beginning in America, black has both positive hip and negative connotations for white america, and some people have been able to navigate that.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
And a pothead. He always used to joke about how he smoked marijuana on somebody's yacht
not that there's anything wrong with that. the world would be a much better place if buckley had had a safe and accepted space in society, in which he could freely declare, "i love to smoke a phat blunt on the high seas at sunrise, fresh from a warm bed with a young caribe prince, whose morning wood just graced my lips with liquid abandon."
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
plantsman, I am RUNNING the prison!
We'll be staging commissioned chamber operas in the mess hall next season.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:38 am | #
Buying useless shit today spares our grandchildren from the indignity. Consuming all the natural resources is a noble intergenerational gesture.
underwhelm
*
don't know whether to laugh or cry
Nancy Willing |
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03.01.08 - 8:39 am | #
nona, I think we're gonna be okay. Just watching McBush stumble on the stage, all hunched over, needing direction from his wife, and contrasting that to Obama ought to cinch the deal.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:39 am | #
The breakdown begins when the "I can haz entrepreneur" light comes on.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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Mornin' chiropterans. Today's outrage is slush. The gray, non-tasty kind...
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03.01.08 - 8:39 am | #
not that there's anything wrong with that. the world would be a much better place if buckley had had a safe and accepted space in society, in which he could freely declare, "i love to smoke a phat blunt on the high seas at sunrise, fresh from a warm bed with a young caribe prince, whose morning wood just graced my lips with liquid abandon."
God, you write teh best pron on the internets!
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03.01.08 - 8:40 am | #
those barbs from mememememememe were ridiculous and uncalled for.
Of course they were. Just as all her shit is. Speaking out of her ass and Google about weapons systems, wireless communications, American history, childrearing, medicine, whatever, all based on "knowledge" from alleged jobs in foreign climes and/or exotic ex-boyfriends.
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03.01.08 - 8:40 am | #
pot on a yacht.
you'd think they'd be able to afford an actual washroom.
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03.01.08 - 8:40 am | #
Wait. Was Buckly gay?
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03.01.08 - 8:40 am | #
Buckley liked to smoke the pipe, quilt lady, if you catch my drift.
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03.01.08 - 8:41 am | #
Wait. Was Buckly gay?
He just adored teenage boys.
Barndog, without cat on lap |
03.01.08 - 8:41 am | #
Yeah, now I have to smoke oregano while demons shove things up my ass.
ql -- i hope you're right.
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03.01.08 - 8:41 am | #
Okay, back to bed.
I will report on the birth of the hamhockster as soon as I hear news.
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03.01.08 - 8:42 am | #
Of course they were. Just as all her shit is. Speaking out of her ass and Google about weapons systems, wireless communications, American history, childrearing, medicine, whatever, all based on "knowledge" from alleged jobs in foreign climes and/or exotic ex-boyfriends.
NTodd, Änti-VNF | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:40 am | #
you just reminded me of the time I was married to Halle Berry's twin sister helping her out with her MIT thesis dealing with climate change and micro-processing fertilizer dispersement.
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03.01.08 - 8:42 am | #
Well, this isn't some random guy on the street, but rather an "expert" on Nafta.
I'm not all that concerned about the "50-odd" term. We also have a lot of territories and it's not a bad shorthand. Hell, sometimes I'll throw in an extraneous qualifier like "odd" or "or so" when speaking extemporaneously even if I have the exact number at hand. It's like a momentary "uh" or other temporizing word.
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03.01.08 - 8:42 am | #
NTodd, it is all part of an agenda to hijack the thread, as you know. Even better if it's utter bullshit, because then people start to argue. That's the desired effect.
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03.01.08 - 8:42 am | #
the boston tea party was an attempt to hijack the king's threads
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03.01.08 - 8:43 am | #
Good morning.
Hey NTodd. We missed you.
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03.01.08 - 8:44 am | #
. Consuming all the natural resources is a noble intergenerational gesture.
underwhelm
it's really helped my attitude/depression issues, to get into the art/craft and science of recycling. if i had investment money, i'd be putting it all into stuff like that right now- it's going to pay off so big in the generation or two. the future is bleak, but at the same time that presents opportunity and challenge. also, making and remaking things is much more satisfying at times, when one feels powerless to affect the current political landscape.
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03.01.08 - 8:44 am | #
ChiDyke - this sound quite familiar.
Didn't we have this discussion yesterday?
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03.01.08 - 8:44 am | #
God, you write teh best pron on the internets!
Vicki, Who ♥ life
Does she ever!
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03.01.08 - 8:44 am | #
on moyers last night, he had a brilliant retired professor of history talking about the populist movement in the 1880's and 90's. how people were very concerned about our government not really being for the people. lots of real change occurred from that movement..oh and the professor was a black woman (with a killer scarf)
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GOP Frets Over Democratic Fundraising
By JIM KUHNHENN
Associated Press Writer
8:04 PM PST, February 29, 2008
WASHINGTON — For Republicans, watching Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama fight for supremacy in fundraising is not just a spectator sport. It is a look into the future, and the GOP isn't cheering.
Obama and Clinton together raked in as much as seven times as much cash in February as John McCain, the all-but-certain Republican nominee.
The Democrats, particularly Obama, are also developing a broad base of fervent donors whose help goes beyond sending money.
Some Republicans are sounding alarms.
"Since the midterm election of 2006, Democrats have had an enthusiasm gap with Republicans," said GOP strategist Scott Reed. "They have big crowds, raise more money and appear to have more excitement on the campaign trail. Couple this with turnout numbers, which are off the charts, and Republicans are going to have a big challenge in the fall."
Obama raised $36 million in January. Clinton aides said she raised $35 million in February, and estimates for Obama place his haul for the month at more than $50 million. McCain, who raised about $12 million in January, is on a similar pace for February, according to his campaign.
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03.01.08 - 8:45 am | #
I better go to the farmers market before the even-shittier weather comes.
See ya'all later. Looks like I'll be on the damned computer all weekend.
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03.01.08 - 8:45 am | #
Hey NTodd. We missed you.
Oh, don't lie!
NTodd, it is all part of an agenda to hijack the thread, as you know. Even better if it's utter bullshit, because then people start to argue. That's the desired effect.
The funny thing is that our arguments are rather erudite and informed, so if the point is to derail us with stupid shit, it fails in that regard. However, usually she goes for Process Trolling after that...
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:45 am | #
Poor, poor, Permanent Republican Majority.
I feel just awful for them.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:47 am | #
The funny thing is that our arguments are rather erudite and informed
Uh oh, if NTodd picks up a pencil and clipboard and keeps using $10 words, I will begin to believe in reincarnation, or at least possession by the dead.
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03.01.08 - 8:47 am | #
That's the desired effect.
Marcellina
What I find really, really weird is the absolute fascination with it. I mean, just look at this discussion! It bugs the crap out of me that her shit works to get her what she craves, all the while subjecting people I like a lot to the most unimaginable verbal abuse.
But whatever, I guess.
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03.01.08 - 8:47 am | #
It's hard to change lifetime habits.
I've been doing the laundry the same way, pretty much, for close to forty years. Thanks to moe, I'm trying to change. Only use cold water, hang more stuff up, use less detergent, etc. I keep making mistakes cause I have to think about things I always just did. Last week I forgot to close the lid of the washing machine twice, so the damn thing ran out its cycle without washing any clothes.
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03.01.08 - 8:47 am | #
sorry, dog.
mr. buckley doesn't seem to be having a good time in hell.
what Ntoddler said re "odd."
ona, I think we're gonna be okay. Just watching McBush stumble on the stage, all hunched over, needing direction from his wife, and contrasting that to Obama ought to cinch the deal.
qlª
in a fair race, obama will blow mcstain out of the water. it will be interesting to see which votes are counted this time. i keep saying it, put mcstain on teevee. a lot. he's old and tired, and old and tired. no one is voting for that. esp rethug men worried about projecting potency properly. trust me, they are pretending to be obama, not mcstain.
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03.01.08 - 8:48 am | #
I like a lot to the most unimaginable verbal abuse.
So far she hasn't found anything to really stick me with so I find it more amusing than anything else.
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03.01.08 - 8:48 am | #
you just reminded me of the time I was married to Halle Berry's twin sister helping her out with her MIT thesis dealing with climate change and micro-processing fertilizer dispersement.
As I was saying to George Clooney at Davos this year....
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03.01.08 - 8:48 am | #
you just reminded me of the time I was married to Halle Berry's twin sister helping her out with her MIT thesis dealing with climate change and micro-processing fertilizer dispersement.
I should introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
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03.01.08 - 8:48 am | #
mr. buckley doesn't seem to be having a good time in hell
Yeah. Just goes to show you that, you'll reap what you sow in the end.
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03.01.08 - 8:49 am | #
trust me, they are pretending to be obama, not mcstain.
in their wildest dreams...literally
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 8:49 am | #
I should introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
Guten Morgan?
/runs out of room
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 8:49 am | #
It's that "staying mindful" thing. It's hard, once you automate a process like laundry, to remain mindful of it -- it is for me, anyway.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:50 am | #
I should introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
That's the ticket!
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:50 am | #
Any news on the little hamhock front Tía Vicki?
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03.01.08 - 8:50 am | #
I have somewhat reluctantly, but affirmatively, come to the conclusion that the presence of Obama may just be changing the landscape of American politics. This fundraising story is just the latest evidence of some kind of a sea change. Let's hope it's a riptide that washes away not only the GOP as we've known it but also the Beltway MCM whores, or at least fundamentally changes the way they do their jobs...
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03.01.08 - 8:50 am | #
To coin a phrase seen here yesterday:
McCain will get beaten like a Narc at a Hell's Angels convention.
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03.01.08 - 8:51 am | #
No hamhocket yet.
plantsman, you're right. It's the keeping mindful that is getting me. But I'll overcome. And it is just laundry.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 8:52 am | #
making and remaking things is much more satisfying at times, when one feels powerless to affect the current political landscape.
I know, right? I just sewed up a hole in the crotch of my pants two days ago instead of buying a new pair and I feel like I struck a blow for the movement.
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03.01.08 - 8:53 am | #
I still can't believe that McCain will be the nominee. One possibility is that KKK Roves of the party want the democrats to win and inherit responsibility for the shitpile, so they are using McCain. Another is that McCain will not have the stamina to make it much farther and some other repug like Newt or Jeb will be anointed.
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03.01.08 - 8:53 am | #
presence of Obama may just be changing the landscape of American politics. This fundraising story is just the latest evidence of some kind of a sea change.
after moyers there was NOW and he had trippi (Edwards guy)...he reiterated the same ideas, that having > 1million donators of small amounts is a trully wonderous thing to behold in a democracy
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03.01.08 - 8:53 am | #
I guess Evan Bayh is nice, but I find it very hard to work up any enthusiasm for the guy. He seems to be devotedly angling for the VP slot on Clinton's ticket.
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03.01.08 - 8:53 am | #
dog- thanks for the advice yesterday. i got a nice box of stone tile and have stained them. i can't decide on the design yet though.
anyone know a good place to download free stencil patterns for things like smalti? i'm a madwoman with this stuff, and will remain so until i can garden.
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03.01.08 - 8:54 am | #
I'm on the road for a few days. Tomorrow, first stop Salzburg, to see some old friends, and then Monday on to Vienna for a couple of days to see other friends. Back here for a show on Wednesday.
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03.01.08 - 8:54 am | #
Well, this is a fun thread, but alas I must oft to Gomorrah on the Hudson for some irksome shit.
This evening, however, I will be attending a performance by my former drummer's splendid blues band at B.B. King's.
So if anybody's in the neighborhood of 42nd street in Manhattan, please stop by.
No cover!!!!
Talk to you all on the morrow, one hopes...
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03.01.08 - 8:54 am | #
I just sewed up a hole in the crotch of my pants two days ago instead of buying a new pair and I feel like I struck a blow for the movement.
What I find really, really weird is the absolute fascination with it.
It is a fascinating process. NTodd's Pa's Wife was absolutely enthralled with the trolls, being a psychologist, and really wanted to understand them. Some of that curiosity rubbed off on me.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:56 am | #
I used a bunch of kitchen tools yesterday, so many I could not get them all into the dishwasher in one load. I've become dependent on the dishwasher.
Probably have to give that up soon.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 8:57 am | #
Not Jeb, definitely. Aside from his unfortunate last name, there's also a lot of rumors about various extracurricular activities in Florida.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 8:58 am | #
Did NTodd's Pa's Wife come to any conclusions with which you might enlighten us?
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 8:58 am | #
what Ntoddler said re "odd."
If there's one thing I know from, it's odd.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 8:58 am | #
i feel compelled to comment that the small donation story is important, but the 'sea change' occured several years ago, and obama alone is not the reason. big corp money used to be 80/20 rethug in the high days of the coup, but a few years back it started to shift, and now is even 50/50 or 40/60 for some. the corporations voted with their money in 06 and before even, and obama is enjoying the tail end of a snowballing trend. that small donors are giving him money reflects that progressives and people of color have someone national to give to for the first time ever, so of course there is enthusiasm.
it is also the case that the funding rules currently in operation are relatively young, so setting records in that structure is of less moment.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 8:59 am | #
You want outrage?
Read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein.
You may have to hunt for it. They can't keep it on the shelves here.
There's enough outrages in that book to keep you at the boilign point for weeks.
And you'll never look at the world the same way again.
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03.01.08 - 8:59 am | #
It is a fascinating process. NTodd's Pa's Wife was absolutely enthralled with the trolls, being a psychologist, and really wanted to understand them.
Think of Harry Harlow's developmentally challenged monkeys.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 8:59 am | #
Enjoy your trip Marcellina.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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03.01.08 - 8:59 am | #
Isn't Naomi Klein a Canadarian?
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:00 am | #
I had to put "The Shock Doctrine" down.
It was bad for my blood pressure.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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03.01.08 - 9:01 am | #
V for Virginia--
How are you doing on collecting auction items for Eschacon? Would some organic Vermont maple syrup fit in? Can we just bring it with us, instead of shipping it?
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03.01.08 - 9:01 am | #
Yes, Indeed, Marcellina -- I have only crossed Austria in my imagination.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:01 am | #
Did NTodd's Pa's Wife come to any conclusions with which you might enlighten us?
Other than they're fucking nuts? No, she was just getting into studying/engaging with them when she died. She did especially like joining in threads when trolls tried to pull the "you kiss your mother with that mouth" card and she'd nail them with the "that's a stupid line of argument, and yes, I'm his mom" card.
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03.01.08 - 9:01 am | #
not only is naomi klein a canadian but her husband is and together they 'represent' a family tradition of canadian progressive politics.
wasn't her dad a yank?
or mom?
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 9:02 am | #
Trolls are masochistic little monkeys.
They keep supporting the corporate regime that is bleeding them dry.
Trolls have stagnant paychecks and roaring inflation just like everybody else, but they keep kissing up to the Repukes that are screwing them.
Masochistic bottom boys. They want Chenehy to ride them bareback all day long (or until he has another heart attack)
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03.01.08 - 9:02 am | #
I had to put "The Shock Doctrine" down.
It was bad for my blood pressure.
HoneyBearKelly
Same thing happened to me with Fiasco. I would just get madder and madder with every chapter.
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03.01.08 - 9:02 am | #
I heard the CEO of Goldman Sachs speak the other day and he sounded like a DFH.
Couldn't help but think "what's this guy trying to pull?".
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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03.01.08 - 9:02 am | #
NTodd, your mom hung around here?
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 9:03 am | #
Think of Harry Harlow's developmentally challenged monkeys.
A wire mother would explain a lot.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 9:03 am | #
Marcellina-- Remember that you have to bring back presents for us. (Chocolates are always appropriate).
NTodd never brings us presents when he travels. {pouts]
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03.01.08 - 9:03 am | #
plantsman,
Then there are those kitchens that have two dishwashers side by side. You almost never have to put the dishes in the cabinet. You just put them in the dirty washer. We have a dishwasher, but use it maybe once every two months or so. It's easier to hand wash the dishes.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:03 am | #
Morning, all
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03.01.08 - 9:03 am | #
have someone national to give to for the first time ever, so of course there is enthusiasm.
it is also the case that the funding rules currently in operation are relatively young, so setting records in that structure is of less moment.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 8:59 am | #
If it was not for Obama, Team Hillary would never have tried to reach out to the small donor base that they have found. If he had not run, we would be seeing the triumph of Hillary's PAC fueled machine over Edwards.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:04 am | #
Wiki to the rescue!
Smalti tile, sometimes referred to as Byzantine glass mosaic tile, are typically opaque glass tiles that were originally developed for use in mosaics created during the time of the Byzantine empire.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:04 am | #
What is this about an eschacon auction? I can donate some stuff.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:04 am | #
Obama may just be changing the landscape of American politics. This fundraising story is just the latest evidence of some kind of a sea change.
i must say, i've been enjoying tremendously reading the primary turnout numbers -- that inevitably crush the republican turnout. but the other very important aspect is how these huge numbers of small donors can dilute the corporate influence -- and that's what has the wdc influence peddlers crapping their pants over. horrors! -- citizen engagement. lol.
nona |
03.01.08 - 9:04 am | #
Some of that curiosity rubbed off on me.
NTodd, Änti-VNF
OK, let me rephrase that. It's pretty damned interesting in a bug-under-glass kind of way. I guess I just enjoy our conversations so much when we're talking about the nooz, or insulting one another with love, or making fish puns, or looking at pictures of kittehs.
And on the subject of psychology, it just now occurred to me to wonder why she's the only troll we have that bugs the living shit out of me. So there's that.
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Obama may just be changing the landscape of American politics. This fundraising story is just the latest evidence of some kind of a sea change.
**********
i'm not kidding you when I say elementary school students in toronto are very aware of Obama and totally excited.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 9:05 am | #
I've hand washed dishes all my adult life up until I moved here. Not sure (having only a single sink) I agree.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:05 am | #
I had to put "The Shock Doctrine" down.
It was bad for my blood pressure.
HoneyBearKelly
me too; and i still haven't picked it up.
nona |
03.01.08 - 9:06 am | #
I still can't believe that McCain will be the nominee. One possibility is that KKK Roves of the party want the democrats to win and inherit responsibility for the shitpile
*
I think it is more that those who gravitate to the GOP are all souless creeps and America's has refined her palate. They,have.no.one.
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03.01.08 - 9:06 am | #
HBK,
V, speaking of presents, am I still supposed to send something for an auction? I'd need to send it pretty soon if you need it by EschaCon, just to be on the safe side.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 9:06 am | #
agreed, rootless. (hugs) i love it when we agree.
smalti.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 9:06 am | #
Think of Harry Harlow's developmentally challenged monkeys.
A wire mother would explain a lot.
Molly Ivors
Is that the wire mother with or without the baby bottle sticking out of it?
I remember that film from college.
Pretty much demonstrates how trolls grow up.
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03.01.08 - 9:07 am | #
NTodd, your mom hung around here?
No, just my blog. She read other sites, but mine was the only one she commented on. I suspect she would've started hanging here given how many trolls came from here (and Drum's site) in those days.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:07 am | #
And on the subject of psychology, it just now occurred to me to wonder why she's the only troll we have that bugs the living shit out of me. So there's that.
One of the reason she bugs me is that she weighs in on shit she clearly knows nothing about, then attacks the people who do. I don't mind the attacks so much, but I cannot brook insufferable stupidity masquerading as expertise. The easiest way to piss me off is claim 2+2=5.
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03.01.08 - 9:09 am | #
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:06 am | #
shucks.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:09 am | #
Pretty much demonstrates how trolls grow up.
I was raised in a Skinner box.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:10 am | #
raised in a skinner box
only Atrios Yes vids to watch
oh god, I've suffered much
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:12 am | #
Technology is great.
Daughter just called from the plane.
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 9:12 am | #
this is so wrong:
One in 15 black adults is, too, as is one in nine black men between the ages of 20 and 34.
One in 355 white women between the ages of 35 and 39 are behind bars.
not that i think white women bw 35-39 are rapacious criminals benefitting from a racist law enforcement system at the direct expense of young black men, but the disparity is shocking to me. no logic-based understanding of the amount and nature of committed crime can explain it. it's just an obscenely racist testament of our priorities as a society. via the blonde.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 9:13 am | #
those who gravitate to the GOP are all souless creeps and America's has refined her palate. They,have.no.one.
dog, it's about time...i have said it before, the GOP would be completely marginalized in any yuropeeon country...yet here, Rush and billo get millions of mindless assholes to listen to their asshole rantings
i sure hope the sea change occurs, otherwise it's yurop for me if the dollar ever gets any value back
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03.01.08 - 9:14 am | #
What is this about an eschacon auction? I can donate some stuff.
leibniz♘☮
At my homepage, and thanks in advance!
Off for breakfast and stuff. Talk to you anon.
*MWAH!*
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 9:15 am | #
India cancels small farmers' debt
Indian farmer
The Indian government is to cancel the entire debt of the country's small farmers in a giant scheme that will cost 600bn rupees ($15bn; £7.6bn).
The move is a centrepiece of India's latest budget, with the government also increasing education spending by 20% and health funding by 15%.
Widely seen as a populist budget ahead of elections due by May 2009, Delhi has also pledged to control food prices.
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03.01.08 - 9:16 am | #
no logic-based understanding of the amount and nature of committed crime can explain it. it's just an obscenely racist testament of our priorities as a society.
that and prisons have become private profit-making enities...i read that one prison owner in california lobbied hard for the 3-strike ruling...it's always about following the money and seldom does the trail have a pleasant smell
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 9:17 am | #
Obama is a master of the self deprecating takedown.
Culture of TrÜth |
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03.01.08 - 9:17 am | #
KKK Roves of the party want the democrats to win and inherit responsibility for the shitpile
No shit Shakespeare.
A Dem President takes office just as all those payoffs and deals we made in Iraq to make it seem like "the surge is working" fall through.
The Sunnis start shooting at us again.
Moqtada al-Sadr calls off his truce.
Chaos ensures.
And of course it's all the fault of that lily-livered week-kneed bleeding heart liberal in the White House.
Sufferin' Succotash |
03.01.08 - 9:18 am | #
The Indian government is to cancel the entire debt of the country's small farmers in a giant scheme that will cost 600bn rupees ($15bn; £7.6bn).
Why don't they just give them a 30 rupee tax prebate?
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:18 am | #
Wolcott and Thers appear to be way too interested in Red State weirdos.
God help them.
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03.01.08 - 9:19 am | #
chicago dyke,
Yes and no. I will accept the racism on the surface but add to the codicil that it is also a manifestation of class warfare at its most base. Ultimately it is not just racial in nature but class based as well.
The oppression of people finally comes to a head at the final level where there is no place left to go. And while there are a disproportionate amount of African American people in prison, there are also a disproportionate amount of African American people who are considered impoverished.
If there are ample opportunities for social and economic progression, would these problems be so severe?
Beowulf Schaeffer |
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03.01.08 - 9:19 am | #
V for V-
I left a comment on your homepage.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:20 am | #
We had Pavlovian conditioning at my school.
The bell would ring and then it was lunchtime.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 9:20 am | #
Wolcott and Thers appear to be way too interested in Red State weirdos.
God help them.
That meta shit just doesn't interest me any more, although it's damn good for traffic. Really creates a feedback loop. Bah.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:21 am | #
There are enbough weirdos right here to fascinate me.
At least they are smart weirdos, or funny weirdos.
Culture of TrÜth |
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03.01.08 - 9:23 am | #
I just put in for two rebates from the FCC for digital tv converter boxes.
The rebates are only good for ninety days. I don't know if the converter boxes will be in stores by then.
This digital TV is a mess. Just another government-corporate trick to get us to spend more money on crap.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 9:23 am | #
There are enbough weirdos right here to fascinate me.
This digital TV is a mess. Just another government-corporate trick to get us to spend more money on crap.
Yet another reason to just give up TV...
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:24 am | #
Oh, speaking of that Paxcast, I gave a shoutout to Nim and Jenn, but I was hoping for a Leap Year Baby and they totally fucked that up. Selfish fuckers.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:24 am | #
Wolcott and Thers appear to be way too interested in Red State weirdos.
I don't get it, myself.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 9:25 am | #
THERE.
ARE.
FOUR.
LIGHTS!
NTodd, Änti-VNF
Patrick Stewart, greatest of all Star Trek captains...
David Derbes, writin' away |
03.01.08 - 9:26 am | #
a Leap Year Baby
"Pirates of Penzance", anyone?
The baby wouldn't be able to vote until it's 72!!
Sufferin' Succotash |
03.01.08 - 9:27 am | #
Chicago Dyke-
The imprisonment of a disproportionate number of blacks echoes an antebellum social contract. The powers that be now are willing to pay for sterile plantations with walls. Society uses any excuse to push blacks into these plantations, drugs, islam, welfare fraud, etc.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:28 am | #
CNN Headlines:
Clashes between McCain, Dems heat up
Clinton: Obama 'missing in action'
White guys now key Democratic swing vote Video
J.Lo, Marc Anthony name babies
TV chef loses job over resume claims
Gas prices straining budgets, readers say
Senior White House aide admits plagiarism
28-inch-tall mom gives birth to 18-inch baby Video
Larry King stiffs Janet Jackson in 'dance' Video
Mama nips, slings newborn polar bear
Culture of TrÜth |
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03.01.08 - 9:28 am | #
Patrick Stewart, greatest of all Star Trek captains...
So say we all!
No wait...let it be so!
Sufferin' Succotash |
03.01.08 - 9:28 am | #
it is also a manifestation of class warfare at its most base. Ultimately it is not just racial in nature but class based as well.
what is retarded is that it's a pre-history way of thinking, how fucking far back do we need to be in our mindset? yurop and the rest of the world are slowly leaving us in the dust from a progressive standpoint..and now even economically as they seem to own more and more of 'us'
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 9:28 am | #
I would think that al Sadr et al would want to support new American leadership that wants to get us the hell outta there. If they begin to rip up the peapatch when the new president takes over it will make it more difficult- who ever is elected- to get out. It makes me think of the nice- making when Reagan took office and Iran THEN let our people go. That was good politics on Iran's part. Then again - if the real purposes of al quaeda et all is to continue war and encourage moe extremism- then doing whatever that keeps the fires going would be a plan. Whatdya think?
lovepat |
03.01.08 - 9:30 am | #
what is retarded is that it's a pre-history way of thinking, how fucking far back do we need to be in our mindset? yurop and the rest of the world are slowly leaving us in the dust from a progressive standpoint..
To be fair, Europe does have its problems with class discrimination. We just are more willing to lock people up.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:30 am | #
So, the execrable Cliff May is behind a series of commercials targeting freshman Democratic House members and pushing retro-active telecom immunity. The non-profit he set up to air these ads
does not disclose its contributors.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:30 am | #
I don't get it, myself.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:25 am | #
my brother got married at the MGM Grande.
'celebrants' post videos for 24 hrs, one week, one month, whatever.
I 'viewed' with my partner.
but I didn't stop there. I watched a whole slew of weddings.
it was grim but fascinating.
'partner:' NOT AMUSED especially considering it was a drizzling night in the early evening and a beautiful time to sit outside under aroof or something
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 9:31 am | #
Society uses any excuse to push blacks into these plantations, drugs, islam, welfare fraud, etc.
leibniz??
(totally groovin on your little horse/peace thingee. how do i do that?)
i guess to me, the easy comparison is this: if i say "imagine a white 37yo woman in prison" and then "imagine a 17yo black teen in prison" one is 'shocking' and the other is 'natural' in too many peoples' minds. still. that's a big part of getting away with what you describe; too many (white) people don't believe there is a problem with your 'sterile plantations of stone' solution.
i may have to steal that.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 9:33 am | #
Back to work... Later, folks!
David Derbes, writin' away |
03.01.08 - 9:33 am | #
what is retarded is that it's a pre-history way of thinking, how fucking far back do we need to be in our mindset? yurop and the rest of the world are slowly leaving us in the dust from a progressive standpoint..and now even economically as they seem to own more and more of 'us'
mogwai
Absolutely: on so many levels. Actually, on nearly every level.
Healthcare: theirs is free and plentiful.
Technology: Cheap and plentiful
Jobs: better than here
Benefits for people: much better
Quality of life: FUCKING BETTER.
Americans have pretty much lost their leadership role if we ever had one.
Beowulf Schaeffer |
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03.01.08 - 9:33 am | #
juan,
I can see the anthropological interest in that, at least.
You'd think all those Elvis impersonators would be pushing for gay marriage in Nevada....
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 9:33 am | #
Asiago cheese bagels verge on culinary outrage - outrage meant in the purely negative sense.
montanaheadcold |
03.01.08 - 9:33 am | #
in yurop, even the poorest gets free healthcare...here we throw them onto the streets, i would have to call that beyond class disc. to the point of evil empire
oh and to continue with the prison analogy, you cannot join teh EU unles you outlaw capital punishment, they are progressing, we are regressing
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 9:35 am | #
You'd think all those Elvis impersonators would be pushing for gay marriage in Nevada....
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:33 am | #
i once read a statistic that said by 2025 (if current trends hold) 1 in every 25 people will be an Elvis impersonator.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 9:35 am | #
To be fair, Europe does have its problems with class discrimination. We just are more willing to lock people up.
leibniz♘☮ | 03.01.08 - 9:30 am | #
Europe is racist as can be.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:36 am | #
You'd think all those Elvis impersonators would be pushing for gay marriage in Nevada....
i once read a statistic that said by 2025 (if current trends hold) 1 in every 25 people will be an Elvis impersonator.
And 1 in 100 of those will be in jail.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:38 am | #
The Comcast "More. More. More." ad campaign, featuring people lip-syncing to LaBelle, Billy Idol, etc. is nauseating.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:38 am | #
what is retarded is that it's a pre-history way of thinking, how fucking far back do we need to be in our mindset?
The US has always suffered from a mismatch between a cutting-edge Enlightenment political system and a social system that reflected pre-Enlightenment notions of hierarchy--which in a colonial context expressed itself in racial/ethnic terms.
The consequences of this mismatch have played themselves out in a number of ways, the Civil War among others.
Sufferin' Succotash |
03.01.08 - 9:39 am | #
no we are not
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 9:39 am | #
My head hurts.
From all the burning love?
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:39 am | #
Chicago Dyke,
I am on a mac. Under special preferences/international/input menu, you need to check the lower left corner box to show input menu in the tool bar. Then click on the flag that appears, click on "Tool palette", and there is a slew of odd things you can paste into a document.
I think there are waves of pushback against equality. It is similar to LeChatlier's Principle in chemistry. There is pushback from the civil war, from Brown vs. Board of Education, from the 1964 civil rights law, etc. And these manifest themselves in - as you correctly point out - the acceptance of the norm for black teeenage boys being in prison versus a 37 year old white woman.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:39 am | #
And 1 in 100 of those will be in jail.
NTodd, Änti-VNF | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:38 am | #
just before sentencing son I'd like to say 'couldn't you have chosen to impersonate Charley Rich?
it's a damn shame you came around these parts.
a damn shame.
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 9:40 am | #
My butt is sore.
William F Buckley |
03.01.08 - 9:41 am | #
Comcast is nauseating.
Plantsman,
Fixed that for you. (Just edited out the unnecessary stuff)
God, I really hate paying that $100 to those motherfuckers. Their latest trick is to charge me for paying my bill in town. That's right, if I have the audacity to take the bill to their office, they charge me $3.00 for the privilege. Assholes. Basic cable and internet = $100 a month every fucking month.
Beowulf Schaeffer |
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03.01.08 - 9:41 am | #
saturday work: AARRRGGGHHHH
oh well it's dough.
see ya'
juan no no nsense |
03.01.08 - 9:42 am | #
From all the burning love?
spork_incident |
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03.01.08 - 9:43 am | #
once read a statistic that said by 2025 (if current trends hold) 1 in every 25 people will be an Elvis impersonator.
And 1 in 100 of those will be in jail.
NTodd, Änti-VNF
The rhythm section was the purple gang!
Let's rock, everbody lets rock!
Everybody on the cell block,
Was dancin to the jail house rock.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 9:43 am | #
BS, you're right -- and the only discounts they ever offer are introductory come-on discounts. And they claim their phone service is cheap! Not for long.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:43 am | #
OT: my 1980's vintage HP calculator has tripled in value according to eBay. between that and a few old 8-bit computers from the early 80's, it's retirement on the riviera, LOL
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 9:43 am | #
If I had to put one person in prison in "Gone With the Wind", it would be Scarlett. She is like an 1864 Ann Coulter.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:44 am | #
I'm a hunka hunka, don't'cha know.
I thought you were a Holga, Holga...
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
"What are today's outrages?"
War criminals Chimp and Crashcart still at large.
Pelosi and Reid not doing a damn thing about it.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
oh, i just read the silliest tagline: 'is it any coincidence that the color orange cancels the color blue?'
man there are some nutbags out there.
thanks, leib. macs rawk!
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
Europe is racist as can be.
There's no shortage of racism in any country on the globe.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
If I had to put one person in prison in "Gone With the Wind", it would be Scarlett. She is like an 1864 Ann Coulter.
I would love to see a remake with Scarlett Johansson playing her.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
If I had to put one person in prison in "Gone With the Wind", it would be Scarlett. She is like an 1864 Ann Coulter.
Yes, but without the Adam's apple.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 9:46 am | #
fuck you NTodd.
Sorry, I had just enough coffee to get my synapses firing.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:46 am | #
Heck of a job, Chertoff [Andrew Stuttaford]
The Washington Post:
The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a "virtual fence" along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear, federal officials said yesterday.
Why don't you Cornholera build the fucking thing yourself. You always want someone else to do your dirty work for you.
Are your hands too delicate to handle a shovel or a posthole digger?
Lime Rickey |
03.01.08 - 9:46 am | #
mismatch between a cutting-edge Enlightenment political system
i wouldn't call our republic democracy cutting-edge, not by a long shot.
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 9:46 am | #
'is it any coincidence that the color orange cancels the color blue?'
Disgusting Orange and richest Blue were my High School Colors. I hate them with the heat of 10,000 suns.
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:46 am | #
I would love to see a remake with Scarlett Johansson playing her.
NTodd, Änti-VNF | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:45 am | #
I'd like to see a remake where that opening scene with the slaves singing in the fields is followed by a scene where the slaves burn the house down and kill all the inhabitants and then escape to Canada with the loot.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:47 am | #
everyone here is so cheery.
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 9:47 am | #
oh, i just read the silliest tagline: 'is it any coincidence that the color orange cancels the color blue?'
Trichromatic theory byootches!!!!!!!
-Goethe
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:48 am | #
Fiddle-dee-dee!
Sufferin' Succotash |
03.01.08 - 9:48 am | #
I thought you were a Holga, Holga...
Film cameras.
That's why you brought it up, huh? Sticking the shiv in.
We do like to whine.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 9:48 am | #
Oh, a love troll from Bavaria!
plantsman, persona non grata |
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03.01.08 - 9:48 am | #
I'd like to see a remake where that opening scene with the slaves singing in the fields is followed by a scene where the slaves burn the house down and kill all the inhabitants and then escape to Canada with the loot.
I could skip the escape to Canada. I'd prefer it if they brought arms to the slaves on the surrounding plantations and killed some more owners. But yeah, you've got the right idea for improving it.
MikeJ |
03.01.08 - 9:49 am | #
wine and whine
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 9:49 am | #
Why doesn't Mann Coulter get that big nasty adam's apple removed?
Maybe its a turn on for her REpuke clients since she's a whore.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 9:50 am | #
"OT: my 1980's vintage HP calculator has tripled in value according to eBay. between that and a few old 8-bit computers from the early 80's, it's retirement on the riviera, LOL
mogwai | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:43 am | # "
The HP 11-C was the best calculator within one parsec of this corner of the universe. It got me through Stats 101 through 435. Durable too. One winter it slipped out of my truck and fell into a snowbank. It lived there in its case until March when I found it. Changed the batteries, and it was good to go.
montanaheadcold |
03.01.08 - 9:50 am | #
Fuck you.
damnit.
Plans for a bingo abruptly derailed?
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 9:50 am | #
from Munich with love
The WWII mayor of Munich asked that the local crematoriums burn jews only when the wind would not allow "Jewish ashes" to fall on the city.
well, i guess i'm a pedant then. scarlett was nothing like coulter. scarlett hated the war, because it caused eligible young men to speak and think of something other than her. coulter may be an airhead like scarlett, but she is a clear and loud warmongering tool. scarlett never let anyone but ashley rule her life. coulter is lower than a dog, she's such a predictable shill for her masters.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 9:50 am | #
Nim and Jen Update:
NOTHING!
aRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I feel her pain.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 9:50 am | #
What kind of person gets the letters to make "synapse" as the final word in scrabble wiping out a commanding lead of their opponent.
The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a "virtual fence" along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear, federal officials said yesterday.
The "virtual fence" is yet another boondoggle for a defense contractor.
Thiw crony capitalism crap has got to be halted.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 9:51 am | #
My money is on qlª.
I still think online scrabble would be more fun if there were a way to look over people's shoulders and offer 'helpful' comments.
Gromit |
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03.01.08 - 9:51 am | #
Beowulf Schaeffer--Comcast worser here. $100/mo broadband + basic and removal of CSPAN-2. Channel is dark-can have if I upgrade to digital tier.Bah
Raul Jetski |
03.01.08 - 9:51 am | #
Leibniz, I have never heard that one.
You know that was over 60 years ago.
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 9:51 am | #
Er THIS
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 9:51 am | #
ql if it's any consolation I just did a bingo on a game with NTodd.
Okay, I'm taking Audrey to work at Panera Bread, and when I return, I better have news for you all about someone knowin' somethin' about birthin' a baby!
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 9:52 am | #
i wouldn't call our republic democracy cutting-edge, not by a long shot.
Not now of course. But two centuries ago it was the most outlandishly innovative political setup that the Western world had ever seen.
What has screwed it up in the interim has been the contradiction between this political system and a social structure that was essentially pre-modernity or even anti-modernity.
Sufferin' Succotash |
03.01.08 - 9:52 am | #
leibniz, there is a photograph somewhere of three young black men hanging from trees, while the entire town — men, women, teenage girls, everyone — has a little soiree right under them. Indiana, 1936.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 9:53 am | #
The WWII mayor of Munich asked that the local crematoriums burn jews only when the wind would not allow "Jewish ashes" to fall on the city.
Nice people!
leibniz♘☮ | 03.01.08 - 9:50 am | #
It's really creepy, at least for me, to be in the subway in Munich and have the train to Dachau pull up at the platform.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:53 am | #
Morning, all. I'm a bit surprised that Jay Rockefeller has come out for Obama, given the emphasis Obama puts on government transparency and all . . .
.
Sparkle Plenty |
03.01.08 - 9:53 am | #
Bitch took all my money and my drugs!
Laurent |
03.01.08 - 9:54 am | #
ql if it's any consolation I just did a bingo on a game with NTodd.
Good. Smash him.
I was beating him by nearly fifty points and had only a few letters to go.
rootless, you live in Munich?
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 9:54 am | #
Dachau
Eddie from Ohio does a really awesome song about the road to Dachau. They're a great group...Barndog'd agree with me, I think.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 9:54 am | #
Beowulf Schaeffer--Comcast worser here. $100/mo broadband + basic and removal of CSPAN-2. Channel is dark-can have if I upgrade to digital tier.Bah
Where I'm at, MSNBC was moved to the digital tier, but there are channels in the "expanded basic" area that are sitting idle and could be used for it. Of course, MSNBC can't be in the "news block" area of 44-49, heaven forfend! No, we really need CNN Headline News featuring Uber-assholes Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace!
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 9:54 am | #
The HP 11-C was the best calculator within one parsec of this corner of the universe.
I loved my 28C. Cost me 300 bucks in 1987, but it got me through multivariable calc and chemistry. Thank god for stored formulae...
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:54 am | #
Have the wingnuts felt betrayed by the air force's decision to make $150 billion worth of fuel tankers in France?
First time a US military craft has been outsourced to ferriners.....who eat brie to boot.
Egad, you're going to make me defend my cheap movie analogy? Where the hell is simels?
Ann Coulter is like Scarlett because she is a self-possessed uptight asshole who is willing to do anything, step on anyone to preserve her little sanctified asshole way of life. And she can't bear to realize that other people might be suffering because of her almost autistic behavior. They seem similar in those regards.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 9:55 am | #
Sorry Marcellina.
HoneyBearKelly
Not me, it was ql.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 9:55 am | #
ql if it's any consolation I just did a bingo on a game with NTodd.
YOU BITCH! WE JUST FUCKING STARTED!
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
Homepage |
03.01.08 - 9:55 am | #
That was an oz of pure skag she took!
Laurent |
03.01.08 - 9:56 am | #
Are you guys sick of my baby news blasts? I'm only doing it because I promised Nim I would - he wanted me to.
I even got up after he called me at 3:30 AM to post the info for you.
Nim takes the support of this community to heart.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 9:56 am | #
Marcellina NTodd started a game with us.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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03.01.08 - 9:56 am | #
Vicki, please keep it up, though I'll be gone for most of the day.
qlª |
Homepage |
03.01.08 - 9:57 am | #
Are you guys sick of my baby news blasts?
Are you crazy? It's the reason I'm still here at the computer!
Marcellina |
Homepage |
03.01.08 - 9:57 am | #
Vicki - we want liveblogging.
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 9:57 am | #
Leibniz, I have never heard that one.
You know that was over 60 years ago.
from Munich with love
Don't worry, Chimpy and Cheney have learned alot from the Germans and will be making soap out of librrrruls soon enough.
Halliburton is building the camps.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
rootless, you live in Munich?
from Munich with love | 03.01.08 - 9:54 am | #
Nope. Texas.
Visit Munich for business a lot though. The Prinz Myshkin is a delicious restaurant.
If only the People's Republic of Munich had run a better army.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
I would love to see a remake with Scarlett Johansson playing her.
Martin Lawrence (in drag) could play Prissy.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
I wanna know: Does anyone here know what the evil Mr. Rumsfeld is really up to these days? I have a sick feeling that there's an endgame. I just don't think that this creep and company will just throw up their hands after the election of dem president and retire. They've too much at stake and they only live when connected to the life support of their dastardly plans. And I don't just mean retiring to S. America where they can create their water wars.
Citizen Seattle |
03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
marcellina there are many photographs like those you describe. the sheer number and scope of the boggles the mind, to imagine such a cultural practice so widespread, so normalized. they took they children, and brought picnic baskets.
i can see how stepping on to the train to Dachau the first few times would be creepy...
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
Have the wingnuts felt betrayed by the air force's decision to make $150 billion worth of fuel tankers in France?
I don't know about the wingnuts but half of Seattle if ready to restart the B-29 line and force DC to cancel the contract.
I imagine the American workers in Mobile who will be building the tankers feel differently.
MikeJ |
03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
Okay, great! As I mentioned, hopefully we'll hear soon.
My mom is chomping at the bit to head up there (it's about a 3 hour drive), but she doesn't want to leave until she knows...or something.
I'm excited, too.
When I come back from Panera, I'll check in.
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
Power to the people!
Sonny in Dubrovnik |
03.01.08 - 9:59 am | #
It has to be just about born - she was dilated to 9 cm and her water broke 2.5 hours ago.
C'mon, Jen!
Vicki, Who ♥ life |
03.01.08 - 10:00 am | #
Tía Vicki we want liveblogging.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
Homepage |
03.01.08 - 10:00 am | #
Martin Lawrence (in drag) could play Prissy.
I don't know nothing 'bout birthin' no babies, ho!
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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03.01.08 - 10:00 am | #
Marcellina NTodd started a game with us.
HoneyBearKelly
And I see that you both started with bingos.
I hate you both.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 10:00 am | #
Boeing lost the tanker contract because they got caught doing crooked stuff in an earlier tanker deal.
Boeing is a fat corporate sow and should be dismantled into several companies.
Boeing is an example of the corporatist fascism that is taking over the US.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 10:01 am | #
I don't know about the wingnuts but half of Seattle if ready to restart the B-29 line and force DC to cancel the contract.
I imagine the American workers in Mobile who will be building the tankers feel differently.
MikeJ | 03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
Maybe if Boeing Execs had stayed close to the line instead of playing financier in Chicago, they could have made a better bid.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 10:02 am | #
Liberal blogger causes resignation of
Bush aide
I am sure he has a faculty appointment at Regent U or as an orderly to pleasure whats-her-name at Regency Press.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 10:02 am | #
The Always Reliable Gore Vidal [Jonah Goldberg]
From the New York Times today:
“I was never on his show,” Gore Vidal, with whom Mr. Buckley had a famous feud, said on Thursday. “I don’t like fascism much.”
That says it all, Pantload. I notice you didn't have any comeback.
Lime Rickey |
03.01.08 - 10:02 am | #
there is a photograph somewhere of three young black men hanging from trees, while the entire town — men, women, teenage girls, everyone — has a little soiree right under them. Indiana, 1936.
I still think LockMart and Boeing need to build PV cells and wind turbines. They're going to end up getting all our money, they might as well build something useful.
MikeJ |
03.01.08 - 10:04 am | #
i can see how stepping on to the train to Dachau the first few times would be creepy...
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli | Homepage | 03.01.08 - 9:58 am | #
The abolitionists used to gather testimony of Southern patriots (slaves that escaped and white people who could not take it) and publish them. Great reading if you ever feel an anger deficit. Worse than the Jim Crow era.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 10:04 am | #
"The President was disappointed to learn of the matter, and he was saddened for Tim and his family. He has long appreciated Tim's service, and he knows him to be a good person who is committed to his country."
The President is actually sorry that another of the pathetic lowlifes he's brought into high government service has been caught and proven to be an intellectual fraud which reflects accurately the moral bankruptcy of his maladminstration of criminality.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 10:04 am | #
Sarkozy gets him some outsourcing cabbage for his new military base in the Persian Gulf.
there is a photograph somewhere of three young black men hanging from trees, while the entire town — men, women, teenage girls, everyone — has a little soiree right under them. Indiana, 1936.
As the website shows that "Sufferin'" linked to, such photos were sent around as postcards.
"Had a great time! Wish you were there!"
Violence is as American as cherry pie.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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03.01.08 - 10:05 am | #
“I was never on his show,” Gore Vidal, with whom Mr. Buckley had a famous feud, said on Thursday. “I don’t like fascism much.”
Good for him.
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Sparkle Plenty |
03.01.08 - 10:05 am | #
Peter Wehner, a former Bush aide, said Goeglein was regarded as "a person of sterling character" who was Bush's "eyes and ears" in the conservative world.
"Sterling", that word does not mean what you think it means, Peter Wehner.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 10:06 am | #
Violence is as American as cherry pie.
Whenever I see a cherry pie, I just want to punch it.
SteveNS |
03.01.08 - 10:06 am | #
Tim accepted responsibility for the columns published under his name in his local newspaper
That's according to the White House. Sounds a lot like the Ron Paul defense.
MikeJ |
03.01.08 - 10:06 am | #
As he battles for the Democratic nomination, Senator Barack Obama is trying to strengthen his support among Jewish voters and in doing so, is navigating one of the more treacherous paths of Democratic politics.
The challenge of meeting the concerns of the Jewish electorate, a cornerstone of the Democratic base, was evident Tuesday when Mr. Obama was asked at the Democratic debate in Cleveland about Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam leader who has endorsed him.
Because, yeah, we know nothing about Obama, so he could be an anti-Semite. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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03.01.08 - 10:07 am | #
Peter Wehner, a former Bush aide, said Goeglein was regarded as "a person of sterling character" who was Bush's "eyes and ears" in the conservative world.
He was the Anne Sullivan to George Bush's Helen Keller.
SteveNS |
03.01.08 - 10:08 am | #
Reading some of the obits on WF Buckley, I think he may have been a troll here.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 10:08 am | #
Lynching is just another part of the good old days that the fascists miss about America.
It was during the ABC coverage of the '68 election. Not Firing Line.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 |
03.01.08 - 10:08 am | #
Whenever I see an African-American, I think of slavery and all the lynching that happened.
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 10:09 am | #
Reading some of the obits on WF Buckley, I think he may have been a troll here.
leibniz♘☮
Nah, Buckley haz da big words. Trolls don't.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 |
03.01.08 - 10:10 am | #
“I was never on his show,” Gore Vidal, with whom Mr. Buckley had a famous feud, said on Thursday. “I don’t like fascism much.”
Good for him.
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Sparkle Plenty
Scott Simon this morning quoted Buckley about politics, and how politicians divide people into categories and then do what will least antagonize the least powerful. Apparently Buckley disapproved of this method, though it sounded like democracy to me.
Simon seemed to approve of Buckley's disapproval.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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03.01.08 - 10:10 am | #
off to run about with the niece, later bats. have a good one, and best wishes to nim and jen. you can do it! vicki, of course i will check in for updates, thanks for them.
chicago dyke, dbl secret musli |
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03.01.08 - 10:12 am | #
Buckley's favorite movie was "Birth of a Nation".
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 10:12 am | #
That's a pretty steep decline.
SteveNS
From FDR to George W. Bush in what? 60 years? That's pretty steep too.
It took evolution millions of years to go from monkey to homo sapien. It took America only 60 years to reverse the process.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 |
03.01.08 - 10:12 am | #
When I see pictures of lynching I get filled with rage because I hear white folks talking about 'reverse discrimination' and how white men are the new Jews of liberal fascism.
After seeing this work of genius, I will never read a Garfield strip the same way again.
SteveNS |
03.01.08 - 10:13 am | #
how white men are the new Jews of liberal fascism.
This one really makes my Jewish head spin.
Adam Hominem,unbanned since 08 |
03.01.08 - 10:14 am | #
I had JeffCo beaten in scrabble yesterday. Until on the last rack, he pulled off Quasi for a triple word score.
He is more evil than NTodd and fluoridated water combined.
trifecta |
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03.01.08 - 10:15 am | #
He is more evil than NTodd and fluoridated water combined.
trifecta
But so nice and cheerful while he's killing you!
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 10:16 am | #
how white men are the new Jews of liberal fascism.
This one really makes my Jewish head spin.
It makes my white male head spin.
Cripes, these guys are such fucking crybabies. "Oh noes, all my privlege is being taken away from me and I'm going to have to survive based on merit alone! No, it's not fair!"
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 10:16 am | #
He is more evil than NTodd and fluoridated water combined.
sinfonian and v for v are floridated.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 10:16 am | #
From Buckley and Vidal to Hannity & Colmes in 40 short years.
colbert was funny the other night, when he mentioned that now we have 'volume' and personal attacks
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 10:17 am | #
okay bye
from Munich with love |
03.01.08 - 10:17 am | #
Israelis are the new rednecks.
They're Jim Crowing the Palestinians.
HULK |
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03.01.08 - 10:18 am | #
I hear white folks talking about 'reverse discrimination' and how white men are the new Jews of liberal fascism.
the irony is that they are spewing disinformation, yet with a dumbfuck electorate, disinformation works wonders
mogwai |
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03.01.08 - 10:19 am | #
how white men are the new Jews of liberal fascism.
This one really makes my Jewish head spin.
It makes my white male head spin.
Cripes, these guys are such fucking crybabies. "Oh noes, all my privlege is being taken away from me and I'm going to have to survive based on merit alone! No, it's not fair!"
It's one thing Styron identified in "Confessions of Nat Turner". While the blacks are terrorized, enslaved and lynch, the myth is that they will terrorize the whites. The myth is still alive, and permutated to hold for all kinds of class warfare.
leibniz♘☮ |
03.01.08 - 10:19 am | #
it's cool to see on the Vidal/Buckley tape that Buckley was doing the hide behind the troops act 40 years ago.
I love how Vidal laughs at his pathetic threats.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 10:21 am | #
The disinformation works and is underway. Doughy's book is the # 1 bestseller.
You wanna see the persecution complex in full swing, wait until a GOP electoral rout. Then the McVeigh wing will get back in the game.
The disinformation works and is underway. Doughy's book is the # 1 bestseller.
Don't be fooled. It's the wingnut welfare machine buying up that shit.
I weep for the trees who died to make that garbage.
SteveNS |
03.01.08 - 10:24 am | #
Got to love those "Christian" values"...
WACO, Tex, Feb. 29 -- An aide to President Bush responsible for outreach to conservative and Christian groups resigned Friday after acknowledging that he had plagiarized material for a column he wrote for his hometown paper in Fort Wayne, Ind.
Special assistant Tim Goeglein admitted lifting material from an essay about college education by former Dartmouth professor Jeffrey L. Hart and presenting it as his own in a guest column Thursday for the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel. Other allegations of plagiarism quickly surfaced after Goeglein informed White House officials of the situation Friday morning, and by day's end he said he would step down.
On its Web site Friday, the newspaper said 20 of 38 Goeglein columns between 2000 and 2008 contained "portions copied from other sources without attribution." News-Sentinel Editor Kerry Hubartt said Goeglein had written 80 or 90 columns for the newspaper in a relationship that began more than 20 years ago.
20 of 38. Quite the batting average. Well, on the plus side, I guess the fucker reads, unlike George "My Pet Goat" Bush.
Richard |
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03.01.08 - 10:25 am | #
Is anyone else having trouble refreshing the Eschaton page? It takes forever.
When there are sheets, again, I fear I won't get back on alt all (not so bad, since I'm getting ready to leave anyway.)
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 10:25 am | #
Don't be fooled. It's the wingnut welfare machine buying up that shit.
I weep for the trees who died to make that garbage.
My daughter's boyfriend is a republic and reads that crap.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:26 am | #
Well, since this seems to be kick ql's ass in scrabble day, I'm leaving.
See ya all later.
(heehee, just have stuff to do)
qlª |
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03.01.08 - 10:26 am | #
MArce, I was, but it seems to be better now.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 10:26 am | #
I was just wondering if my page was refreshing. I've had a guest here so I hadn't noticed there was nothing new. Looks like he was up later than I was last night.
Avedon |
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03.01.08 - 10:27 am | #
Not for me. Atrios' cache.blogads.com is giving me grief.
Marcellina |
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03.01.08 - 10:28 am | #
My daughter's boyfriend is a republic and reads that crap.
billy b
Don't you have a bat or something?
Just Another Zero |
03.01.08 - 10:28 am | #
That would be a little harsh.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:28 am | #
I was at the show where he met his wife, apparently...
Ceasers don't fear the reaper
nor do the wind or the sun and the rain
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:30 am | #
It took evolution millions of years to go from monkey to homo sapien. It took America only 60 years to reverse the process.
Adam Hominem
Did you just dis the monkeys?
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.01.08 - 10:30 am | #
I'm stuck at my part time job and I just challenged roughly half the people on this thread to scrabulous games.
virgotex |
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03.01.08 - 10:31 am | #
Atrios' cache.blogads.com is giving me grief.
Ahh. Null route 'em. Add an entry to your hosts file and they will never slow you down again.
MikeJ |
03.01.08 - 10:31 am | #
'mornin'
'White men are the new Jews of liberal fascism' sets some kind of record for the greatest number of asinine, dead-wrong, historically nonsensical things one can say in a single short sentence.
And, while we're started on prisons, think of the folk in jail with, say, drug-resistant TB, being treated in a system run by a private corporation for profit, trying to make a buck. That person won't be in jail forever, odds are. He, or his wife or child, may cough on you next time you're on the #4 train heading to work.
The American criminal justice system is ao obscenity seven ways from Sunday. Like what passes for the American health care system, there are counterexamples that are working better, more humanely and at far less expense right now, today, not in some utopia. And meanwhile, astounding numbers are incarcerated, prison rape is a national joke, disenfranchised felons are today's version of the old constitutional 3/5 rule.
I should shut up before I get tiresome. But in a just world, the way we treat prisoners and criminals and citizens would be an object of the highest, most urgent moral outrage. And if you say so, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of your holding elective office in this country.
ProfWombat |
03.01.08 - 10:32 am | #
Nancy Nall is one of the bloggers on my Wire blog- it was quite bizarre to have a front row seat to that yesterday.
virgotex |
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03.01.08 - 10:33 am | #
My daughter's boyfriend is a republic and reads that crap.
billy b
WTF is wrong with your daughter, Billy B? I hope she's just using him because he's physically attractive, because there's no brain there to engage.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 10:33 am | #
ProfWombat, some days I think I should get you to write posts for me.
Avedon |
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03.01.08 - 10:33 am | #
This thread still going?
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 10:35 am | #
ProfWombat | 03.01.08 - 10:32 am
A-fracking-men, bubba.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
03.01.08 - 10:35 am | #
WTF is wrong with your daughter, Billy B? I hope she's just using him because he's physically attractive, because there's no brain there to engage.
Not a god damn thing wrong with my daughter.
I like the kid. A lot. While the boy may be misguided in his politics he's a good kid.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:35 am | #
Prof W.
You quoted someone a while back on the American left's transition from singing "Solidarity forever" to "Yellow Submarine". Who was it and where? If you don't mind.
rootless-e, email-listed! |
03.01.08 - 10:35 am | #
This thread still going?
Moe Szyslak
Limping along.
If there were predators about it would be lunch.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.01.08 - 10:36 am | #
Avedon: thank you; you do me great honor.
ProfWombat |
03.01.08 - 10:36 am | #
Caesers don't fear the reaper
nor do the wind or the sun and the rain
So, what do I read today that the liberals are up to? Well, a group called “Americans United for Separation of Church and State” is suing the city of Greece, New York because they don’t like the prayer they have before city council meetings.
Well guess what, as a Christian, there are many secular things I have to put up with even though it bothers me. But we do. So why can’t they put up with a prayer? They can stare at the wall twiddling their thumbs or occupy themselves however they want during the prayer. Its not a big deal.
I'm sick of these radical leftist atheist liberal lawyers.
Texaschilibean |
03.01.08 - 10:37 am | #
ProfWombat, I've decided that, in fact, you have written a post for me. I don't suppose you have a link to go with that reference at the start?
Avedon |
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03.01.08 - 10:37 am | #
I'm sick of these radical leftist atheist liberal lawyers.
Texaschilibean
Shooting yourself takes away the pain. You should try it.
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03.01.08 - 10:38 am | #
rootless: that was Richard Rorty, the philosopher, in a book called 'Achieving America'. I don't agree with him across the board--he was, for instance, an unapologetic cold warrior--but, for the most part, he's dead-on.
ProfWombat |
03.01.08 - 10:38 am | #
I go to the farmers market, do everything that entails, including long conversations with farmers and friends, wander over to the barber, take care of the mop, stop by the Indian guy and buy a paper, trek back up the hill, and here's the same thread, with completely different people.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 10:38 am | #
I should shut up before I get tiresome.
No, I think it is something that isn't really discussed enough. No one wants to be seen as "liberal" on criminal justice issues because no one wants to be seen as "soft on crime". And that just leads to a positive feedback loop of injustice.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.01.08 - 10:38 am | #
If it's the show I'm thinking of, that hadn't come out yet... they were still in their "Tyranny and Mutation" mode.
As of late, I've been listening to BOC. Picked up several of their CDs.
Good stuff.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:38 am | #
Well guess what, as a Christian, there are many secular things I have to put up with even though it bothers me. But we do. So why can’t they put up with a prayer?
Good. Lets do a Muslim prayer.
Gomez |
03.01.08 - 10:38 am | #
So why can’t they put up with a prayer?
cool. We'll send in a mullah to lead all of your prayers. You do want the government picking which religion is right for you I assume.
MikeJ |
03.01.08 - 10:39 am | #
So why can’t they put up with a prayer?
because it's a government endorsement of a single religion.
Of cours, you reich-tards don't like the Constitution much, do you?
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.01.08 - 10:39 am | #
Avedon: I don't have a link; but feel free to make whatever use you choose to of my humble submissions.
Standing offer: anybody can use anything I write for anything. Anything to move the case along.
ProfWombat |
03.01.08 - 10:40 am | #
I'm sick of these radical leftist atheist liberal lawyers.
Texaschilibean
I'm sick of Texas peckerwoods.
So that makes us even.
Gomez |
03.01.08 - 10:40 am | #
stop by the Indian guy and buy a paper
I have to admit to loving a big fat weekend newspaper, even if it's editorially too far to the right.
SteveNS |
03.01.08 - 10:40 am | #
I'm sick of these radical leftist atheist liberal lawyers
Not nearly as sick as we are of the likes of your wuss ass, puss-pie.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:40 am | #
Hell, you don't need a Muslim prayer. Recite the (Catholic)profession of faith, the main prayer at mass. That'll piss off plenty of Christians.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 10:40 am | #
As of late, I've been listening to BOC.
Haven't listened to them in years. I hate to admit it, but my really all-time fave of theirs is "Godzilla"!
You have an extra "s" in there.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.01.08 - 10:41 am | #
I have to admit to loving a big fat weekend newspaper, even if it's editorially too far to the right.
SteveNS
The cover story in the G&M have been pretty good the last few weeks.
Moe Szyslak, cold |
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03.01.08 - 10:42 am | #
Hahahahahahahahaha!
I'm clearing out all my facebook requests. One of them invites you to battle Republicans.
But, FB tells me, I have no friends who are Republicans. Oops.
Molly Ivors |
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03.01.08 - 10:42 am | #
"History shows again and again
How nature points out the folly of man!"
Ever notice the background vox?
GODZIRRA ZIRRA ZIRRA
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:42 am | #
ProfWombat more's the pity.
I hope that Obama uses his popularity for things like prison reform.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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03.01.08 - 10:42 am | #
Speaking of constitution and selective use for the liberal agenda, you people want the right of free speech on public property, but not the right to practice religion on public property. You ignore that part of the Bill of Rights.
The whole point of the first amendment is to protect our rights!
Texaschilibean |
03.01.08 - 10:42 am | #
Would those 'radical leftist liberal lawyers' describe the ACLU attorneys who came to Rush Limbaugh's assistance over drugs privacy issues?
ProfWombat |
03.01.08 - 10:43 am | #
I'm sick of these radical leftist atheist liberal lawyers.
Good.
as a Christian, there are many secular things I have to put up with even though it bothers me.
If there were predators about it would be lunch.
JR, kerosene and a match |
Nah, predators always sleep in, after gorging on Stragglebeasts.
And we could always stake out a TrOoL for 'em. Maybe they'd like a nice fat chilibean...
Elmer, PHD (horrible) |
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03.01.08 - 10:44 am | #
The cover story in the G&M have been pretty good the last few weeks.
There's no shortage of good story material lately, that's for sure.
SteveNS |
03.01.08 - 10:44 am | #
So is blogger fucked, or what?
V for Virginia, home again |
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03.01.08 - 10:45 am | #
Speaking of constitution and selective use for the liberal agenda, you people want the right of free speech on public property, but not the right to practice religion on public property. You ignore that part of the Bill of Rights.
The courts have consistently ruled otherwise, dog shit.
billy b |
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03.01.08 - 10:45 am | #
People have every right to practice religion on government property. Governments, or those standing for them, do not. The distinction is crucial.
It's right there in the First Amendment to the US COnstitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You could look it up.
ProfWombat |
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