HULK SMASH
hi
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hello, doctor.
we cant be bashing HRC now, can we.
This has been another edition...
I am a bit worried about all the use of gooper-style attacks. But would OB ebing doing that if he were trailing?
If Bill Richardson is Judas Iscariot betraying someone, that makes HRC Jeebus!
But would OB ebing doing that if he were trailing?
Can't say. Fortunately, he's not trailing.
I wonder if the 4000 dead will make for some thoughtful TV or any attention on the cable and Corporate Media?
So can I disagree with people without utterly dismissing them, confusing them with absolute evil, or cataloguing their bizarre hypothesized sexual proclivities?
Can I? Huh?
zero comments? Haloscan, you still suck.
I can't believe people are STILL talking about Obama's pastor. It was never relevant to his campaign.
Could you be more specific?
As opposed to Merril McPeak
and the bullshit that comes from Obama
it si clear you want to endorse Obama and now you are straining to appear fair
so suck it up and go public
dont get me wrong--I didnt vote for HRC. I wanted Edwards and then switched to OB in CA cause wolfson that very primary day challenged OB to a debate on Fox.
I dont do Fox.
The 4000 deaths made top news on the Beeb and CBC. What about the US networks? Anyone notice?
uh, it's the economy stoopid. The war and debt is dragging us bad. Nice to blame the subprimes, those vile folks.
the only people trying to work the refs and change the rules are the Obama campaign
get a grip
These comment threads have been bending over backwards to support HRC and pretending they are fair and objective for quite some time.
We were talking about the 4000 in the wee overnight.
I disagree with the premise that this primary is tearing the Democratic party apart. It is, however, getting distasteful.
You are not stupid, but Hillary is still in denial.
Stop lying to yourself, WTF.
There is only a nominee if you use Karl Rove's math.
There is no nominee until someone gets to the right number. The new politics of Obama look like the politics of voter suppression.
What if Pa, Kentucky and West Va had already voted and Clinton was in the lead and we were waiting for Wy and ND to caucus I think the line coming from the Obama campaign would be entirely different
So...
What exactly is Josh ranting about...
**I'll save my rant about Josh for another time.
why do people think I'm supposed to don my Editorial Board hat and "endorse" a candidate? I'm honest about how I feel about the candidates to the extent that I write about them. I try to be "fair," but I don't think or pretend that I have some superhuman ability to perch above the muck and pass judgment. I'm human, I have biases and opinions and don't pretend otherwise. I don't currently feel like a supporter of either candidate, but I've said previously that I lean Obama more often than I lean clinton. That's probably more true now than it was previously, but I still don't feel like an Obama supporter.
Mainstream 4000?
I think it will happen. But is it enough to make the "surge is working" mantra stop? I doubt it.
it's not the utter inanity of Team Clinton's spin, it's the sheer disingenuousness of their spinners, that is so galling.
The Washington Post reports this morning that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D), who endorsed Sen. Barack Obama on Friday despite his ties to the Clinton family, yesterday said that "the people around" Sen. Hillary Clinton "practice 'gutter' politics ...
but will we love them all after its all over? - they are dems after all
ill go farther than Atrios and pledge right now i would never ever ever vote for HRC based on her activities the past 2 odd months. ever.
The 4000 deaths made top news on the Beeb and CBC. What about the US networks? Anyone notice?
Top story on Yahoo...
The 4000 deaths made top news on the Beeb and CBC. What about the US networks? Anyone notice?
Ali got MacBook |
it made albatross! so clearly everyone in the world has seen it now.
JR what is a cranny?
What if Pa, Kentucky and West Va had already voted and Clinton was in the lead and we were waiting for Wy and ND to caucus I think the line coming from the Obama campaign would be entirely different
WTF
Coulda Woulda Shoulda.
But it doesn't matter, because it's not what did happen.
My personal what if is "what if Clinton had played on her considerable strengths instead of looking for dirt on her opponent"
msnbc doing a 4000 story with gen. mccaffrey
They are getting more silly with their arguments. Hillary supporters have more collective skin!
4000 KIA is also top story on CNN webpage...
cnn doing a condo tumble story out of the quarter hour break
But for several weeks now there's just been this steady stream of downright insulting stuff coming out of the Clinton campaign.
Sexist!
ill go farther than Atrios and pledge right now i would never ever ever vote for HRC based on her activities the past 2 odd months. ever.
euphronius Night School! | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:50 am | #
Even if she does become the nom? Then you are useless.
No matter what you may think of Sen. Clinton, she's FAR better than Sen. McLobbyist.
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mccaffrey says 33000 killed and wounded.
WTF = pie
There is no nominee until someone gets to the right number. The new politics of Obama look like the politics of voter suppression.
in a nutshell we have here Penn/Wolfson's newest spin. the whole Big States spin was going over like a lead balloon, so now it's on to "voter suppression." next week it will be "we have to win Indiana and North Carolina in the general."
Clown School
That's OK Atrios, what you just wrote about yourself describes a lot of people.
Gromit, if you're still here: at least two Atriots are enthusiastic Scuba Divers.
John Gillnitz : I can't believe people are STILL talking about Obama's pastor. It was never relevant to his campaign.
It's the closest thing to an angle that anyone's gotten on Obama, so they're using it for all they're worth. Clinton needs to stop him NOW, and the rightards are just going on because there's a black man on teevee. Under these circumstances, the noise makes it's own relevance, just like the Dean Scream.
and the bullshit that comes from Obama
Like what? Name something.
the only people trying to work the refs and change the rules are the Obama campaign
Show me where. Prove it.
'That's probably more true now than it was previously'
'i would never ever ever vote for HRC based on her activities the past 2 odd months. ever.'
LMAO?
I don't get it?
Good to hear that 4000 isn't being buried. Times have changed, methinks.
the kind of stuff that would come out of Ari Fleischer's mouth back in the day
Lies for pay?
Atrios | 03.24.08 - 11:49 am | #
Really Atrios, I was hoping you'd be more of a Richard Cohen-like Concern Troll.
Because really, we need more than one Richard Cohen. Do we not?
I really hate to leave this on a dead thread. From ProfW's earlier link, about "The Slave Ship":
Rediker dwells on the terror of the middle passage to inform as well as to horrify. To know what became of Africans in the Americas, we must first come to terms with what they came through. Rediker calls attention to the choices slaves made in a setting conceived and designed to forbid willed activity completely. The prisoners thwarted their captors as far as the ghastly circumstances permitted. They seized weapons. They threw themselves overboard. They refused to eat. When unable to lash out at the crew, they sometimes turned on one another. Rediker devotes particular attention to the distinctive experience of enslaved women, far more than most who have written about the middle passage to date. Because slave ship captains regarded women and children as less of a threat to revolt, these prisoners often were allowed more freedom of movement on the ship. This freedom of movement, predictably, helps explain the key roles some women played in shipboard insurrections. A great many more, though, only suffered additional indignities and abuse. Captain and crew raped women and girls with impunity. More than a few captains seem to have done so systematically. And Rediker guesses "that some men signed on to slaving voyages in the first place precisely because they wanted unrestricted access to the bodies of African women."
"We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?"--Pat Buchanan
I don't know where it was. It think it may have been a reader blog at TPMCafe.
That's the Clinton campaign? Who knew?
i say we dump both obama and clinton, and go with kucinich.
JR what is a cranny?
Moonbootica
Where you hide you stuff... can only be built in the village centre. You get extra resources when it's built.
Check your server and nym, I can't find you.
Bah, TPM.
Because really, we need more than one Richard Cohen. Do we not?
Attaturk
I'm concerned we don't have more like him....
WTF is not pie.
It's true at this point that Hillary has lost the nomination. There is nothing else she can really do about it. All the remains for her to decide is how much of her dignity and the goodwill of her fellow Democrats she wants to squander in the process of fighting it out ot the bitter end.
The NYT column headline reads "A.P's Death Toll for Iraq War reaches 4,000."
How wishy-washy.
Why not "Bush's Death Toll..."
I do my best (though it's hard) not to judge the candidates by their campaigns or surrogates. Ultimately this is about who you think will make the best president
Yeah, but who you surround yourself with really matters. Think of past presidents and the impact their aides and cabinet had. Sure the president sets the tone, but JFK's team was different from Haldemen and Erlichman, who were different from group of advisors for FDR, LBJ, Reagan, Clinton, etc.
"Obama thinks the super delegates should be bound by the vote of their district unless of course it went for Clinton and then they should vote their conscience"
Bill Richardson
John Kerry
Fatass Ted Kennedy
My personal what if is "what if Clinton had played on her considerable strengths instead of looking for dirt on her opponent"
Ali, lukewarm | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:50 am | #
If Bill Richardson is Judas Iscariot betraying someone, that makes HRC Jeebus!
What does that make Gollum/Penishead/Carville?
why do people think I'm supposed to don my Editorial Board hat and "endorse" a candidate?
Because you clearly love Kucinich and should just show your elf love.
JR: I probably shouldn't be; I need another non-productive way to spend my time like I need an additional hole in my head. Where?
ProfWombat
Travian homepage, if you join, use server 5, NE or SE quadrants. Tribe is not an issue.
I can't believe people are STILL talking about Obama's pastor. It was never relevant to his campaign.
John Gillnitz
Agree 100%, but you don't thing the GOP already has a couple of ads in the can highlighting it for use in the G.E.
The NYT column headline reads "A.P's Death Toll for Iraq War reaches 4,000."
actually, that's only the active duty american soldier death toll. the Death Toll for Iraq War is a much larger number.
Dirk G, that's one spooky photoshop.
ACK! Slanties!!!!
Here's what I was trying to say:
My personal what if is "what if Clinton had played on her considerable strengths instead of looking for dirt on her opponent"
Ali, lukewarm | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:50 am | #
Would that her more vociferous supporters would do the same.
(This does NOT include Hecate, ql, or other sane Clinton supporters).
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the kind of stuff that would come out of Ari Fleischer's mouth back in the day
Gleet?
Atrios is clearly in the bag for Herbert Hoover.
Who cares about 4,000 dead? We've got a fucking praying dog here.
/MSCM
why do people think I'm supposed to don my Editorial Board hat and "endorse" a candidate?
If you were an Editorial Board -- that would make NTodd your Ombudsman.
And he would look fabulous dressed up like Li'l Debbie Howell.
thanks, ali.
Once again, Atrios showing his balance.
There's really no need to pressure anybody to come down on one side or the other. We're all going to be Obama supporters soon enough. The writing is on the wall.
If you were an Editorial Board -- that would make NTodd your Ombudsman.
And he would look fabulous dressed up like Li'l Debbie Howell.
Attaturk
I believe that costs extra.
i guess im useless then. oh well.
Once again, Atrios showing his balance.
I am concerned about you, Elias. is everything ok?
Atrios, do you plan on attending EschaCon or will you be in hiding this weekend? 
JR i am on Server 5 in the SE quadrant
i had to go to Travia.com
Julia Domna
If you were an Editorial Board -- that would make NTodd your Ombudsman.
I encourage everybody to express their concerns to me so I can call them fucktards.
why do people think I'm supposed to don my Editorial Board hat and "endorse" a candidate?
Because you clearly love Kucinich and should just show your elf love.
NTodd, Gleet Lover | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:54 am |
Hobbit, dammit, he's a Hobbit, not an elf. His wife, OTH, is a woodland elf.
I'm sure this sort of pairing never occured to Tolkien.
And he would look fabulous dressed up like Li'l Debbie Howell.
I understand she doesn't wear pants.
Once again, Atrios showing his balance.
And, er, so what?
Heh, that reminds me of this exchange:
Russert: ok Hillary Clinton is losing - Ed what is today's plan for stealing the election?
Rendell: today's plan is analyze the map by electoral college votes
Tim: you're kidding
Rendell: Utah is irrelevant but Texas is key
Tim: you lost Michigan
Rendell: hey she was the only name on the ballot that is
very very very hard to win
Tim: what about a caucus?
Rendell: Older People are banned from voting in caucuses did you know that Tim?
Tim: no i didn't
Sounds kind of like the sermon I sat through, about how the Easter story is equivalent to surviving a personal crisis.
It prompted me to mildly disagree.
I like your sermon a lot better than that other guy's, although I still like Giant Despair's the best. There's something very comforting about someone who says, "Look, if all your life is is pain and suffering, why bother continuing to live?"
I find it interesting that so many Biblical details are glossed over, and so many things I thought I knew, I actually misremembered. And so many are, I think, almost intentionally misremembered by the subconscious. My mom graduated from a Bible college, and she wasn't even aware of the existence of the two contradictory Creation accounts in Genesis until I pointed them out to her.
If you were an Editorial Board -- that would make NTodd your Ombudsman.
Just be sure to wear a rubber on your ombud.....
Atrios, do you plan on attending EschaCon or will you be in hiding this weekend?
Marcellina
There's a rumor going round that he will be in Florida campaigning for Nader.
I don't believe it, though.
The 4000 deaths made top news on the Beeb and CBC. What about the US networks? Anyone notice?
Ali got MacBook | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:46 am | #
Just announced on MSNBC.
If you were an Editorial Board -- that would make NTodd your Ombudsman.
I encourage everybody to express their concerns to me so I can call them fucktards.
NTodd
This is why you are so well qualified for the position.
I don't think mimi has really left Zurich...
Whaddaguy.
The one person who can actually clear up this whole mimi thing.
A real brave one he is.
Rmj : "We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?"--Pat Buchanan
If there is any such thing as 'genetic memory', then I'm pretty sure we have the Middle Passage in our bones. Then a puke like Buchanan asks for gratitude. He can be grateful that things have only burned down relatively few times over the last two centuries.
OH, I noticed that everything that WTF was saying was unprovable lies.
And, er, so what?
Moe Hussein Szyslak
the rules say atrios has to be impartial. otherwise, why even bother with an election?
Hobbit, dammit, he's a Hobbit, not an elf. His wife, OTH, is a woodland elf.
I succumbed to the Elf Movement. Nobody seemed to listen when I said 'hobbit'.
Once again, Atrios showing his balance.
Elias's March madness. | 03.24.08 - 11:56 am | #
So? This isn't a news site. It's a blog.
If Bill Richardson is Judas Iscariot betraying someone, that makes HRC Jeebus!
well this would explain why she is always doing the lord's good works 
her and sinbad
lol
i had to go to Travia.com
Julia Domna
Moonbootica
What's your login link? I think it bounced you to a different server.... one in Europe.
I am concerned about you, Elias. is everything ok?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
A one-note chorus of one.
I wasn't aware anything about mimi required clearing up. I think it's pretty self-evident.
If Bill Richardson is Judas Iscariot betraying someone, that makes HRC Jeebus!
Hillary has many times cured Bill of the Clap.
I understand she doesn't wear pants.
Debbie Howell = NTodd?
Who knew?
Once again, Atrios showing his balance.
Wait'll he gets on his unicycle.
And juggles!
how fortuitous:
Extra6/2/2006 12:00 PM ET
Cheneys betting on bad news?
A look at the president and vice president's financial disclosure forms.
By Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine
Vice President Dick Cheney's financial advisers are apparently betting on a rise in inflation and interest rates and on a decline in the value of the dollar against foreign currencies. That's the conclusion we draw after scouring the financial disclosure form released by Cheney recently. ...
Expecting dollar drop?
The Cheneys also had between $10 million and $25 million in American Century International Bond (BEGBX, news, msgs). The fund buys mainly high-quality foreign bonds (predominantly in Europe) and rarely hedges against possible increases in the value of the dollar. Indeed, its prospectus limits dollar exposure to 25% of assets and the fund currently has only 6% of assets in dollars, according to an American Century spokesman.
... The Cheneys' relatively few U.S. stock fund holdings include $1 million to $5 million in GMO Tax-Managed U.S. Equities III (GTMUX, news, msgs).
I like your sermon a lot better than that other guy's, although I still like Giant Despair's the best. There's something very comforting about someone who says, "Look, if all your life is is pain and suffering, why bother continuing to live?"
I find it interesting that so many Biblical details are glossed over, and so many things I thought I knew, I actually misremembered. And so many are, I think, almost intentionally misremembered by the subconscious. My mom graduated from a Bible college, and she wasn't even aware of the existence of the two contradictory Creation accounts in Genesis until I pointed them out to her.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:58 am
I think that Giant Despair was the first EMO group.
But the Clintons are so entertaining.
I succumbed to the Elf Movement. Nobody seemed to listen when I said 'hobbit'.
NTodd, Gleet Lover
they didn't listen
they're not listening still
perhaps they never
will
Tim: why do you hate the elderly and shift workers?
Daschle: oh well it's just the rules
Tim: should we privatize America's elections?
Daschle: well we privatize the results so why not?
Russert: should Obama be the candidate if he wins the most delegates?
Rendell: absolutely not the nominee should be whoever wins Texas
Russert: so how do shut up the whiny black people and young punks
Rendell: i tell them to fuck off wiz wit
The tihing is all but over, folks. It would take a miracle for Hillary to get the nomination now. That is the point of the Marshall post, no? They should quit grasping at straws already and face their imminent defeat with some dignity.
Hillary has many times cured Bill of the Clap.
The laying of hands for the healing goodness!
Reuters - 49 minutes ago
By David Alexander WASHINGTON, March 24 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush is saddened by the loss of 4000 US troops in Iraq and will focus on ensuring the US succeeds in the 5-year-old conflict, the White House said on Monday.
Another 5 years and another 4000 dead should do it.
i think it is possible to blast HRC and her campaign as being craven without being an obama supporter...
nona: you wouldnt expect Cheney to buy american and put his money where his moth and our asses are, would you?
A one-note chorus of one.
keep telling yourself nobody else but me notices your Concern. Repetition is, as you know, the key to success.
I think that Giant Despair was the first EMO group.
It will be the name historians give to Bush's legacy.
Hecate makes a valid point, atrios. You cite TPM who in turn paraphrases some unnamed commenter. In court, that's known as hearsay.
What you've got is a bunch of lawyers in both campaigns working the judges, who are the superdelegates,not you, not me.
There are no rules. Both sides are trying to insist there are rules, but there aren't, the process is a mess.
So you're going to hear argument. Perhaps you're not persuaded, that's fine, but that's where we find ourselves when NEITHER candidate has enough delegates to wrap this up before the convention, or at least before the superdelegates tell us which way the wind blows.
I'm so old, I remember when bloggers were saying, "If only John Kerry knew how to fight as hard and dirty as the Republicans!"
Good times!
none: thanks for the research.
The tihing is all but over, folks. It would take a miracle for Hillary to get the nomination now.
blerb
But since Richardson is Judas, which makes Hillary Jesus . . . we can't rule this out yet.
My mom graduated from a Bible college, and she wasn't even aware of the existence of the two contradictory Creation accounts in Genesis until I pointed them out to her.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan
.candidate has enough delegates to wrap this up before the convention, or at least before the superdelegates tell us which way the wind blows.
noblejoanie
Please set forth a plausible scenario in which Hillary wins.
Giant Despair? San Francisco, every August.
I'm so old, I remember when bloggers were saying, "If only John Kerry knew how to fight as hard and dirty as the Republicans!"
Good times!
Susie from Philly | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 12:02 pm | #
AGAINST REPUBLICANS
What Am I, Stupid?
btw, is that rhetorical?
keep telling yourself nobody else but me notices your Concern. Repetition is, as you know, the key to success.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Yeah, from seeing your posts on the last thread, I can see you know of what you speak.
)))))))
I can't believe I lost all of that comment to damned tag. Screw you, Haloscan.
I'm out.
Can't we take a break from the Presidential race and just make fun of Pat Buchanan or the Mayor of Detroit?
RMJ: of course we don't hear the grievances. We studiously avoid facing them. Fact is, a lot of fortunes were made, and a country founded, on death, torture, slavery and extermination. That isn't the whole American story, any more than the Holocaust is all there is to Germany. But it should be as inescapable a reality in America as the Holocaust is in Germany.
Am I proud of my country? Am I ashamed of my country?
Yes.
FFS, there are four opinion peices in the WP about Obama's pastor. STILL!!
I can't believe I lost all of that comment to damned tag. Screw you, Haloscan.
it doesn't seem fair to blame haloscan ...
The tihing is all but over, folks. It would take a miracle for Hillary to get the nomination now.
blerb
But since Richardson is Judas, which makes Hillary Jesus . . . we can't rule this out yet.
jac | 03.24.08 - 12:02 pm | #
she will change pledged delegates into super delegates
Screw you, Haloscan.
I'm out.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist
I'm not saying that Hillary is out yet - if she's breathing, she's fighting - but I would like to know how she plans to finance her operation from this point on.
Taliban takes out a 40-tanker fuel convoy to US troops.
There are no rules. Both sides are trying to insist there are rules, but there aren't, the process is a mess.
This is what is known in court as a LIE. There are rules, both campaigns agreed to them bewfore the contests. Drop the "noble", it's not true either.
Can't we take a break from the Presidential race and just make fun of Pat Buchanan or the Mayor of Detroit?
Attaturk
William Kristol is emminently ridiculous today.
Can't we take a break from the Presidential race and just make fun of Pat Buchanan or the Mayor of Detroit?
Attaturk
Bay gets upset
I agree, euphronius. I do think it's close to unforgivable that Obama's campaign has smeared the Clintons as racists. Talk about poisoning the well for the general election!
I'm so old, I remember when bloggers were saying, "If only John Kerry knew how to fight as hard and dirty as the Republicans!"
Good times!
Susie from Philly
I think the idea was to fight the Republicans, not other Democrats.
'That is the point of the Marshall post, no? They should quit grasping at straws already and face their imminent defeat with some dignity.'
Obama doesn't have enough delegates...
therefore, how does a superdeledate decided who to support?
Nothing 'controversial' about throwing the electoral college into the equation is there?
The superdeledates role is to ensure we field an electable candidate, no?
**NEVERMIND that Obama has been playing plenty of games with the FL and MI revotes, without much of a peep from ol atrios??
Yeah, I said it.
Both Obama and Clinton need superdelegates to win. Hasn't Obama been pushing his 'electablity' to the press?
Where's the outrage?
I guess I'm pretty old, but I remember when conventions went maybe two or three ballots before a nominee was officially selected.
Surprisingly, the world didn't end...
There are no rules. Both sides are trying to insist there are rules, but there aren't, the process is a mess.
sadly, no. the rules are pretty fucking clear, which is why Team Clinton is all about FUD. Fear of Obama, Uncertainty about the process, Doubt about electability.
The numbers don't lie, the race is all but over. Obama will go into the convention with a majority of pledged delegates, a majority of the popular vote, and a majority of state victories.
at elast Clinton's donors are starting to wise up. TPM reported she is down to @ $3 million in cash.
I'm so old, I remember when bloggers were saying, "If only John Kerry knew how to fight as hard and dirty as the Republicans!"
Good times!
Susie from Philly
Yep.
If Hillary wins by less than 10% in PA then she should suspend her campaign. If it's a blow out then trudge on.
Are you stupid? I don't know, but this post is. Ari Fleischer? Downright insulting? What? An incoherent post based on an incoherent post based on what?
Hysterical crying of the Obama campaign to end the primaries before everyone has voted indicates they have no confidence in his ability to win in the final rounds.
Looks like a no confidence vote by his supporters.
Am I proud of my country? Am I ashamed of my country?
Yes.
I'd be a lot more proud of my country and a lot less ashamed of it if we hadn't been spending the last 30 years trying to undo all the progress of the previous 40.
I'm betting on this guy being a "Born-Again":
Iowa City, Ia. -- Police say a woman and four children have been found dead in an Iowa City home.
Police say in a statement the bodies were found Monday morning at 629 Barrington Road in a suburban area of the city. Officers who responded found the house unlocked and five bodies inside.
Police say they were not able to locate the adult male resident, Steven Francis Sueppel. The family's van was missing.
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Sueppel, 42, was indicted Feb. 12 for embezzlement and money laundering in connection with almost $560,000 missing from Hills Bank & Trust, where he was vice president and controller.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com...4/NEWS/
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nd just make fun of Pat Buchanan or the Mayor of Detroit?
Attaturk | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 12:04 pm | #
did you catch pat last night on frontline (i think it was) accusing the nyt of treason for publishing the pentagon papers? he essentially said "we had our scheme all plotted out and they went and ruined it by telling people what we were up to."
If the rules weren't made to be flexible, why do they have rules dealing with appeals?
Bush mourns all 4000 dead in Iraq - White House
Reuters - 53 minutes ago
By David Alexander WASHINGTON, March 24 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush is saddened by the loss of 4000 US troops in Iraq and will focus on ensuring the US succeeds in the 5-year-old conflict, the White House said on Monday.
lolwut? ok.