I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

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GravatarCurse you, Aangus!


GravatarPumped up on steroids and rounding third.


Gravatar#3?


GravatarCurse you, Aangus!

Think nothing of it.

[re-lurks]


GravatarSorry, I was, Prior. I mean I was prior.

Oh, come in again.


GravatarOchoman!!!!!!!!


GravatarOK 4 -- pretty good for someone who's hardly ever able to get here, though.


GravatarOchoman!!!!! (take two)


GravatarNuts


GravatarOh gosh, "prior" puns -- I've never heard any of THOSE before ...

(what comes before M32?)


GravatarDidn't anyone downstairs call "Sheets!"?


Gravatar(what comes before M32?)
Prior Aelred

Leme guess, her husband?


GravatarHi, all. Bye.


GravatarWhew. Long day of shopping.

Yuck. Miss March is decidedly less fetching than the others.

Time to go to Yankee Swap party. Our gifts: a bottle of absinthe and a craps felt bundled with a bunch of chips and some casino dice in an aluminum case.

Have a nice evening everyone....


GravatarSenators Barack Obama and John McCain have been endorsed by The Boston Globe editorial board ahead of the first-in-the-nation presidential primary on Jan. 8 in New Hampshire.


Gravatargate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha


GravatarSnack Pinkopticon?


GravatarI like to par-tay.

Cheap vodka, Moose Drool chilling in the fridge, decorating the tree, and JOHN FUCKING DENVER AND THE MUPPETS on the hi-fi*.

*: I have a hi-fi somewhere in this house, but not what we're currently using


GravatarWait, Capital J --
R U coming to EschaCon08?


GravatarSenators Barack Obama and John McCain have been endorsed by The Boston Globe editorial board ahead of the first-in-the-nation presidential primary on Jan. 8 in New Hampshire.
Well I'll be damned.


Gravatarblerb - maybe you'll get A Rod


GravatarDidn't anyone downstairs call "Sheets!"?

Yes.


Gravatarresponding to posting in previous thread
Israel: "If you don't go along with our new pretense that Iran must be destroyed, then you could get a war anyway." But they won't. They're still trying to sort out Lebanon.


GravatarDidn't anyone downstairs call "Sheets!"?


No they didn't, they don't anymore for some reason.


Gravatarjinb, we only don't call them for people we don't like.


GravatarUm...

sheets
bill | 12.15.07 - 8:47 pm | #


Gravatarbill called sheets downstairs.


GravatarDid too

sheets
bill | 12.15.07 - 8:47 pm | #


GravatarSenators Barack Obama and John McCain have been endorsed by The Boston Globe editorial board ahead of the first-in-the-nation presidential primary on Jan. 8 in New Hampshire.
WalterNeff, author


fence straddlers


GravatarHurls bottle of Moose Drool at NTodd.

Damn, that's great beer.


GravatarGeez I owe *everybody* a Coke


GravatarNTodd, Beaten by Dana & jinb need to do some negotiating (or maybe reading skills -- this is as bad as a discussion about gays in the Anglican Communion -- "Did not! "Did so!")


GravatarZap and bill owe me cokes, bitches.


GravatarPrior, sounds a lot like our faculty meetings


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?


GravatarDo I get one back?


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?

The Hanoi Candidate? I'm sure the Hmong community in the Twin Cities will...


GravatarI'm giving you a fucking bottle of beer, NTodd.

You know how expensive hops are these days??


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?
Gomez

Bob Dole

Yeah, thats about it.

Bob Dole


GravatarDo I get one back?

No, meta cokes don't count.


GravatarI consider it unlucky because I didn't have my camera and didn't ask anyone to take my picture. Nor did I when I was hanging with Al Gore, or Bill Clinton. Or Elizabeth Edwards.*

I totally forgot to take a picture the entire time I was sleeping with my wife, Morgan Fairchild. Whom I've seen naked.


Gravatar*grumbles*


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?

Somebody who wants a 72 year old President.


GravatarI'm giving you a fucking bottle of beer, NTodd.

Okay, but I don't want to sleep in the wet spot.


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?

Somebody who wants a 72 year old President.
MP


With ginormous jowls.


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Okay, but I don't want to sleep in the wet spot.


(Mlle puts down one point against NTodd)


GravatarThey throw beer bottles at your faculty meetings, sallyh?


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?

My governor.


GravatarBILL CALLED SHEETS DOWNSTAIRS!

FACESITTING PONYGIRL CHEERLEADERS IN BONDAGE WITH UNCONTROLLABLE URINATION!


GravatarKarin, no, but if we had beer at them, we would.


GravatarI totally forgot to take a picture the entire time I was sleeping with my wife, Morgan Fairchild. Whom I've seen naked.
JeffCO


Hey that really happened!


GravatarDAILYKOS:

BREAKING: Boston Globe endorses Obama

http://www.dailykos.com/story/20.../401/435/ 422631

Of Obama, the editorial board wrote that his diverse and international life experience was a plus. "The most sobering challenges that face this country — terrorism, climate change, disease pandemics — are global,'' the board wrote. "America needs a president with an intuitive sense of the wider world, with all its perils and opportunities. Barack Obama has this understanding at his core.''

The board, noting that Obama would be the country's first post-Baby Boom president if elected, addressed his relative lack of Washington experience compared to several of his Democratic rivals. ''It is true that all the other Democratic contenders have more conventional resumes, and have spent more time in Washington,'' the board wrote. "But that exposure has tended to give them a sense of government’s constraints. Obama is more open to its possibilities.''


The paper also endorsed McCain - not the former governor of the state Mitt Romney!


GravatarWASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration wants a federal court and congressional committees not to pursue investigations into the destruction of videotapes showing CIA interrogations of two al Qaeda suspects.

It says the inquiries would interfere with an ongoing probe by the Justice Department in collaboration with the CIA.


I bet if Mukasey were burned at the stake he'd smell like sandalwood and the scent would turn DC into, like, a giant dorm room where you could, like, practically hear side 4 of Live/Dead totally cranked.


GravatarI'm gonna pop open an Arrogant Bastard Ale


Gravatar"Somebody who wants a 72 year old President."

Reagan took 49 states at 73.


GravatarI totally forgot to take a picture the entire time I was sleeping with my wife, Morgan Fairchild. Whom I've seen naked.

I loved your wife in that movie where she's being stalked by Andrew Stevens. Best Sweaty Stalker in the Closet scene ever!!!!!!


GravatarI'm gonna pop open an Arrogant Bastard Ale
bill


Nice choice. I like Double Bastard and Dirty Bastard too.


GravatarFACESITTING PONYGIRL CHEERLEADERS IN BONDAGE WITH UNCONTROLLABLE URINATION!

Stop tormenting me by bringing up my toon script that might have been killed.


Gravatar(Mlle puts down one point against NTodd)

I only do that when fucking beers from boys come to me. I totally swear.

Shit, I've even gotten up to get a towel when it wasn't my turn!

I can change! I swear! There were locusts! An earthquake...


GravatarReagan took 49 states at 73.
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And the country has never recovered.


GravatarRight to the cleaners


GravatarI am so g-damned tired of not being able to eat anything beyond three bites of food.


GravatarUNIBROUE!!!!


GravatarReagan took 49 states at 73.
Econ 102


I still swear that election was fixed.


GravatarI'm gonna pop open an Arrogant Bastard Ale
bill | 12.15.07 - 9:00 pm | #


and here i sit with nothing but a dozen or so blue yummies...


Gravatar"You're Not Worthy."


GravatarBesides, Mlle is cheating on me.


GravatarReagan took 49 states at 73.
Econ 102


Er, that's not a good precedent, dude. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying look what happens when you do it.


GravatarReagan was a lifelong Democrat.


GravatarReagan took 49 states at 73.


Doesn't count. He thought he was 62.


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?

McCain was going to but then he got a push calling telling him his wife was sleeping with Obama.


GravatarUNIBROUE!!!!
kei & yuri


Canuck!


GravatarAuntie GWPDA, that is horrible, especially when one has such marvelous receipts and ingredients at hand.

I'm still not smoking, for what it's worth.  I also still have not killed anyone. 


GravatarZOMG

Don't tell Scooter Libby.


GravatarNTodd, she says you're cheating on her with Natalie Portman.


GravatarHey that really happened! Culture of TrÜth

I know - I was there! As was Morgan Fairchild. My wife. Whom I've seen naked.


GravatarWho the fuck would vote for McCain?

He's got the insane geriatric turtle/squirrel hybrid vote wrapped up.


GravatarI'm still not smoking, for what it's worth. I also still have not killed anyone.

Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere


I am infintitely proud of you.

Did you see the Nutella Biscotti Receipt? I'm going to make it to-morrow. Just to say I've done it.
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GravatarThe best beer in the world is Belgian, and a close second best is Canadian.


GravatarWhen the comments were put through the Walternator™ it left out "fuck off Jack".


GravatarHecate, in a touch of happy news:  14 states, including your home state of VA, are now refusing federal funds for sex education as to not be limited to abstinence only programs. 

I take happiness where I can get it


GravatarMcCain scares me -- hell, "Huck" scares me -- anything can happen with the MSM, Diebold & the Electoral College -- maybe the worse case scenario is a brokered Republican Convention that would pick someone like Danforth (who would probably win) -- remember that Governor Schwartenegger would never have been able to get a Republican nomination by normal means & now can't be defeated.


Gravatar I totally forgot to take a picture the entire time I was sleeping with my wife, Morgan Fairchild. Whom I've seen naked.
JeffCO

Hey that really happened!


Lady Elaine Fairchilde maybe.


GravatarMy favorite beer is Old Dutch.


GravatarReagan took 49 states at 73.

And Lincoln won despite wearing a tall hat and emancipating the slaves in border states.


GravatarAs was Morgan Fairchild. My wife. Whom I've seen naked.


Her nipples are objectively perfect, as I recall. Nothing extreme going on, like Rock Hudson's.


GravatarThe best beer in the world is Belgian, and a close second best is Canadian.
kei & yuri


Well, the best beer is Belgian, and the Canadians do a fair job of imitating les Belgiques.


GravatarReagan was just fucking dangerous during most of his second term.

Hell, even his own White House Staff was spoon feeding him.

That would never happen today. Oh, wait.


GravatarI forgot to mention I met Barack Obama too.

Res ipsa can testify!


GravatarReagan wasn't just a doddering old fool.  He was fucking evil. 


GravatarNTodd, she says you're cheating on her with Natalie Portman.

Only in my mind. And on my iPod.


Gravatar"I still swear that election was fixed."

Ha.


GravatarMcCain scares me

We must hurry! There is nothing to fear here...

THAT'S what scares me.


GravatarI met Arne Carlson at the governor's mansion once.


GravatarWhen the comments were put through the Walternator™ it left out "fuck off Jack".
HoneyBearKelly


..um...

Since you capitalized it, was that directed at me? "You're Not Worthy" is the slogan on the label of Arrogant Bastard Ale...


GravatarMy favorite Dutch is one bringing me a beer.


GravatarMmm.  Absinthe.


GravatarI'm still not smoking, for what it's worth. I also still have not killed anyone.

Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 12.15.07 - 9:02 pm | #


zap... a couple of things. first, what's your gut feel on the vikings game? vikings favored by 10 at home vs da bears... i say vikes cover easy.

second, you better quit fucking smoking if you haven't already.

just sayin'...

sallyh. it's easy if you try...


GravatarThe only honor Raygun should receive for his presidency is an Academy Award for Best Actor. He fooled a lot of people into thinking he gave a shit about them.


GravatarMcCain wants to keep the troops in Iraq 4 evah!!! He's a liar, too.

I'm very disappointed with the Globe, but the whole R field is unacceptable! They shouldn't have endorsed an R after what they've put the country through for the past 7 years!! The Union Leader endorsed McCain, too. that says it all!!


GravatarBed.
Home soon.

Don't forget - Arthur loves Booda Babies and Hartz canvas dollies.

G'night!


GravatarMmm. Absinthe.

She's my favorite Playmate. Or was she my favorite dwarf?


GravatarMy favorite Dutch is one bringing me a beer.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


I've been to Amsterdam once. I'd love to go back.


GravatarOf course, Belgium is a state without an ethnicity, and right now things are iffy, so you could go further and argue about whether the best beer is technically French or technically Dutch.


GravatarThe best beer in the world is Belgian, and a close second best is Canadian.

Molson and Amstel Light??

It's American. Specifically, the midwest or Portland.

Fat Tire!


GravatarLady Elaine Fairchilde maybe.

No, but after I dumped Lady Aberlin I was engaged to Emmy Jo from New Zoo Revue.


GravatarOh dear, Robin has just been captured by the Sheriff of Nottingham's men.


GravatarThe Vikings win big.


GravatarReagan wasn't just a doddering old fool. He was fucking evil.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere


Which is weird to me. He came from poor. But acted like a dick when he was given power.

But really, he'd lost his marbles by his second term. Some codicil of the Constitution should have kicked in somewhere.

We give the people the goddamned button.


GravatarReagan wasn't just a doddering old fool. He was fucking evil.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 12.15.07 - 9:06 pm | #


Ingrate. After he saved us from the Threat of Grenada, too.

I read this old Paul Thereaux book about taking the train down from the US to Patagonia and he writes about what a shock it is for an American to see beggars on the street, once you cross the border into Mexico. Amazing what we have got used to.


GravatarSallyh --
I've been craving tobacco a lot recently -- no idea why -- its been a decade or more

Re: Abstinence only (remember when "The West Wing" was great?)
Sometimes governors actually have to, you know, govern (unlike legislators who don't actually have to legislate)

Speaking of WW -- I saw that Martin Sheen was campaigning for Richards -- I thoguht of Sheen as more a DK kind of guy -- I like what Dodd is trying to do with the FISA immunity bill!


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I've been to Amsterdam once.


You know what they call a 6-piece Chicken McNugget in Amsterdam?


GravatarOf course not Jack K.

I blame the vodkey.

And simels.


GravatarNTodd, well, for one thing, her divorce has to be final.  And now her ex is trying the whole I'm-so-sorry-I'll-do-whatever-I-have-to-to-get-my- family-back BS.  (This is via reporting from his mother).  Mlle smiled and said, if it makes you feel better, keep dreaming.

This is, of course, all a load of crap.  The money issues are now coming into the forefront.  Monsieur and I presented his lawyer with a bill for expenses incurred on Maddy's behalf since she and Mlle moved back. 

I indicated that I wanted my 7000 fucking dollars within 10 days.  4 have passed...


GravatarAn explosive running game is a great advantage in January.


Gravataryou two are lambic drinkers? huh.


GravatarDes Moines Register Endorses Hillary.
Yey for Hillary!!!


GravatarWhen the weather goes bad all you can do is run.


GravatarFlemish is not an ethnicity?


GravatarFoster's is imported. From Canada. I think it's brewed in the US for export to Canada as well.

It ain't Australian.


GravatarDid you see the Nutella Biscotti Receipt? I'm going to make it to-morrow. Just to say I've done it.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholiast |


We're making lemon bars tomorrow, but I'm a little confused. It says preheat oven. Make crust. Chill. Cook for 15-20 minutes.

Does Chill just mean stop stressin' out about everything? If not, why am I chilling them while I've got the oven on??


Gravatar
sallyh. it's easy if you try...


Killing someone?  I'm sure if I read up on it...


GravatarFuck the Des Moines Register. They're a Republican rag.


Gravatarwe're watching Kill Bill and I have this question - when they draw a sword from a leather scabbard why does it make a metal on metal zing sound?


GravatarA Vikings troll?

I thought that job was taken by myself or Atta J...


Gravatar"Flemish is not an ethnicity?"

Only for rabbits.


GravatarI indicated that I wanted my 7000 fucking dollars within 10 days. 4 have passed...

Did you get his testicles as collateral?


GravatarYou know what they call a 6-piece Chicken McNugget in Amsterdam?
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


One place I didn't see a McDonald's. What's your answer?


GravatarDM Register endorsed McCain and Clinton tonight. For what it's worth.


GravatarI'm feeling a bit flemish tonight myself.


Gravatarthe winner was undoubtedly from Mrs No-Supper-For-You from Norwood in Lancashire... Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards.


GravatarNTodd, I accept cash only.


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Does Chill just mean stop stressin' out about everything? If not, why am I chilling them while I've got the oven on??
whiskey girl


Mija, it means, stop - go play with one of the Bears or with one of my Borrowed Babies - and then return to what you're doing in the kitchen, in a natural and organic fashion. They're just cookies, after all.

Sweet dreams!


GravatarMartin Sheen is an hispanic Catholic - that would be why.


GravatarYou know what they call a 6-piece Chicken McNugget in Amsterdam?

Well, the glorious banker's paradise of the market permits a lot of simply poisonous crap that you can not offer as food in the industrialized, civilized world, so prolly they have something else, like in Korea they have shrimpburgers. Damn Koreans love shrimp.


GravatarI remember Peggy Phlegming.


Gravatarwe're watching Kill Bill and I have this question - when they draw a sword from a leather scabbard why does it make a metal on metal zing sound?

Because it sounds cool. Like all the whoosh-whoosh sounds when they move their heads.

Jesus, for a film guy, you're pretty fucking unhandsomely ignorant. Perhaps you should try the insurance industry, Neff...


Gravatar-France:Sarkozy's discharged value-diplomacy.-


GravatarI indicated that I wanted my 7000 fucking dollars within 10 days. 4 have passed...

Sallyh,


don't hold your breath.


GravatarYou know what they call a 6-piece Chicken McNugget in Amsterdam?

Tendons Royale?


Gravatarzap. i hate the vikings. but i know a good deal when i see one... vikes -10

or maybe i'm still pissed that the fucking bears scored 17 on the broncos in the last 4 minutes to win and rob me of a nickel a few weeks back...


GravatarYou know what they call a 6-piece Chicken McNugget in Amsterdam?

Well, the glorious banker's paradise of the market permits a lot of simply poisonous crap that you can not offer as food in the industrialized, civilized world, so prolly they have something else, like in Korea they have shrimpburgers. Damn Koreans love shrimp.
kei & yuri


Oh, we have chicken nuggets in Europe. They just contain actual chicken.


Gravatar"I'm feeling a bit flemish tonight myself."

I hear you. I haven't eaten all day and I'm positively flemished.


GravatarIdn't "walloon"= Belgian Dutch and then Flemish would be from Flanders, thus Belgian French?


GravatarOne place I didn't see a McDonald's. What's your answer?

No, I really wanted to know. I ain't been to fucking Amsterdam. Closest I got was Copenhagen on a bike.


GravatarChiDy, of course I'm not holding my breath.  But I do like making him uncomfortable


Gravatar"
Oh, we have chicken nuggets in Europe. They just contain actual chicken.
Arkenor "

Crap, I ws sipping tea when I read that.


GravatarWell, when we say that the best beer is Belgian, what we mean is that the best beer is Trappist in origin (even if some of the best, like Maredsous & Castiel is not nowbrewed by monks)

But some English stouts & porters are truly splendid & for a German wheat beer there is nothing like Aventinus!


Gravatar"Oh, we have chicken nuggets in Europe. They just contain actual chicken."

Socialist chickens?


Gravatarwhoosh-whoosh sounds when they move their heads.

My head actually makes that sound.


GravatarFat Tire! Zap Rowsdower

On tap virtually everywhere here, for damn good reason.


GravatarTin Tin is cool.


Gravatar when they draw a sword from a leather scabbard why does it make a metal on metal zing sound?

Iron Cows?


GravatarMy head actually makes that sound.

They have pills for that now. See your doctor.


GravatarBoston Globe:
For the Republicans: John McCain

In the last two presidential campaigns, Republicans scraped out victories by pressing just enough buttons and mobilizing just enough voters. But such wins breed political polarization and deprive a president of the political capital needed to ask Americans to sacrifice in difficult times.

The antidote to such a toxic political approach is John McCain. The iconoclastic senator from Arizona has earned his reputation for straight talk by actually leveling with voters, even at significant political expense. The Globe endorses his bid in the New Hampshire Republican primary.

McCain’s views differ from those of this editorial page in a variety of ways. Yet McCain’s honesty has served him well. As a lawmaker and as a candidate, he has done more than his share to transcend partisanship and promote an honest discussion of the problems facing the United States. He deserves the opportunity to represent his party in November’s election.


you haven't been paying very close attention, Boston Globe! Shame on you.


GravatarI don't think Amsterdam has a McDonald's. They do have great drugs though. And cheese and hookers in windows.


Gravataryou two are lambic drinkers? huh.

I prefer a nice dactylic ale.


GravatarPrior Aelred | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:14 pm |

Is it Newcastle Brown that has the bridge on the yellow label? Fantastic beer, our favorite recent discovery beside the Nicarauguan lager Tona. We try to save the big fancy Belgians in the special champagne-style bottles for special occasions.


GravatarI'm a big fan of the Fat Tire as well.

I'm not worthy of those either


Gravatar"we're watching Kill Bill and I have this question - when they draw a sword from a leather scabbard why does it make a metal on metal zing sound?"

You are going to ask about the "Whoosh" of the Enterprise in space next ain't ya?


GravatarFat Tire!
Zap Rowsdower


I like Fat Tire, but this is the best beer (okay, ale). But since its smallest size is a 22oz-er, I more often drink dam ale.

(Oh hell, all these copies and pastes take too long, sure wish I had some beer...)


GravatarI also still want my $2.


GravatarREAD THIS CARTOON NOW ITS ABOUT CATS YOU WILL BE GRATEFUL


GravatarNewcastle Brown is lovely, but I find drinking more than two or three leads to some gut discomfort the next day.


Gravatarmetal zing sound

That metal zing sound was copyrighted in 1984. You musn't even speak of it.


Gravatar& for a German wheat beer there is nothing like Aventinus!
Prior Aelred


Amen and amen!


GravatarMartin Sheen is an hispanic Catholic - that would be why.
WalterNeff


thank you, i did not know that. again, even the saintly sheen proves the rule: don't trust the actor. if you must let a celebrity tell you how to think, go with the writers.

richardson doesn't believe i deserve rights, so i scorn him. martin should know better, after all that time in hollywood.


GravatarHere ya go
(holds up a frosty giant bottle to whiskey girl)


Gravatar"And cheese and hookers in windows."

I am not bringing the cheese mites up in this conversation though it is killing me to not do so.


GravatarBut such wins breed political polarization and deprive a president of the political capital needed to ask Americans to sacrifice in difficult times.

I can't even begin to understand this sentence. Just exactly what sort of sacrifice - other than of personal freedoms - has the current undercapitalized president asked us to make...


GravatarA'dam has a McDonalds.  But why eat there when I can get poffertjes and Vlammse frites?


GravatarBell's


GravatarYou are going to ask about the "Whoosh" of the Enterprise in space next ain't ya?

The pre-warp bubble creates a cross-dimensional flux of matter that can, in fact, carry sound.


GravatarTin Tin is cool.

Before NTodd does, that's one thing I'll say for him.


GravatarWhy is thunder always synced with the lightning in a movie?


Gravatari hate the vikings. but i know a good deal when i see one... vikes -10

Well, sheet, bro! Take a good deal when you see it.

Of course, I love the DWIkings. And yet another player was busted in DT Minneapolis this week for marijuana possession. Never gets old.


GravatarTintin is fun. 


Gravatar"we're watching Kill Bill and I have this question - when they draw a sword from a leather scabbard why does it make a metal on metal zing sound?"

Every part of the symbol of the caste and office of the bushi (yes you're so bushy yes you're so bushy bushy bushy yes you are) was highly fetishized and regimented. There's a metal ring in the opening of the scabbard that helps keep the thing clean and gives structure. Like the hilt is fucking worthless, in profile it's a bauhaus afterthought, but culturally it's important.
And it sounds cool.


Gravatar"The pre-warp bubble creates a cross-dimensional flux of matter that can, in fact, carry sound.
NTodd,"

In space, no one can hear you Bluff.


GravatarIllegal immigrants are the new Jacobites.


GravatarBefore NTodd does, that's one thing I'll say for him.

Goddamn you, JeffCOiaphas.


GravatarSpeaking of WW -- I saw that Martin Sheen was campaigning for Richards -- I thoguht of Sheen as more a DK kind of guy -- I like what Dodd is trying to do with the FISA immunity bill!
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:09 pm | #
Maybe it's that Hispanic connection. Or land-use issues.


GravatarWhy is thunder always synced with the lightning in a movie?
WalterNeff, author


Because chicks eventually get naked with fear?


GravatarEkCenTrik, better to bring up cheese mites than chlamydia...


GravatarIn space, no one can hear you Bluff.

That's why Data was so good at cards, even when playing on the holodeck with Newton, Einstein and Hawking.


GravatarSallyh...we had a wonderful "danish" in Amsterdam called something like Kaffebreugge...

Any idea what I'm talking about? I've tried to find it on the Google with no luck.


GravatarI am not bringing the cheese mites up in this conversation though it is killing me to not do so.
EkCenTriK | 12.15.07 - 9:19 pm |

That's in Spain and Germany, not the benelux, and the real horror is the worm cheese in Italy.


Gravatar
Because chicks eventually get naked with fear?


Uh, usually I get cold and look for a blanket.


GravatarI've had my doubts all along, but with his endorsement of Bell's I must say you are all wrong about econ 102.


Gravatar(holds up a frosty giant bottle to whiskey girl)
bill


Thank you, bill. Cheers!


Gravatarlipreader, I don't really care for Dutch pastry, so i'm sorry that I'm not familiar with what you're talking about.

Pancakes in Holland, on the other hand...divine


GravatarTriumph


GravatarI don't want to think that Martin Sheen is supporting Richardson because they are both Hispanic Catholics, but it seems the most likely explanation I can come up with --

I have heard of Fat Tire & I may have split a sample with Br Cuthbert (our brwer) once, but the name is more memorable that the taste, I fear

For American Belgian style beers, I have been pleased with every Omegang I've ever tried -- Quebec also produces some very fine brews!


GravatarBoston Globe:
For the Democrats: Barack Obama

From the endorsement editorial:

The most sobering challenges that face this country — terrorism, climate change, disease pandemics — are global. America needs a president with an intuitive sense of the wider world, with all its perils and opportunities. Barack Obama has this understanding at his core. The Globe endorses his candidacy in New Hampshire’s Democratic presidential primary Jan. 8.

Many have remarked on Obama’s extraordinary biography: that he is the biracial son of a father from Kenya and a mother who had him at 18; that he was raised in the dynamic, multi-ethnic cultures of Hawaii and Indonesia; that he went from being president of the Harvard Law Review to the gritty and often thankless work of community organizing in Chicago; that, at 46, he would be the first post-baby-boom president.

It is true that all the other Democratic contenders have more conventional resumes, and have spent more time in Washington. But that exposure has tended to give them a sense of government’s constraints. Obama is more open to its possibilities.


GravatarIllegal immigrants are the new Jacobites.
zei


Another great beer.


Gravatar"The pre-warp bubble creates a cross-dimensional flux of matter that can, in fact, carry sound.
NTodd,"

See, this is exactly why Trek sucks and BSG is cool. We are not going to even try wasting time lawyerizing some convoluted apologetic about how the nonexistant impossible spaceship really would've done this other thing here. We are going to look at Kandyse Mcclure's ass as she flips that one wimpering English guy (no, the other one) who's only on because of white person quotas.


GravatarI'm voting for whomever Diane Lane is voting for, even if it's Dobson.


Gravatar"I've had my doubts all along, but with his endorsement of Bell's I must say you are all wrong about econ 102."

I love that beer.

Two Hearted or Oberon?


GravatarUh, usually I get cold and look for a blanket.

Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere


That was a movie comment, not a Madame comment.

I offer my apologies.


GravatarIt's the other way around, Flemish is Belgian Dutch. Walloons are from the southern part of Belguim, which is French speaking.


GravatarTwo Hearted or Oberon?
Econ 102


Yes and many more.


GravatarTime to nuke Bali:

U.S. booed at climate conference

http://www.suntimes.com/news/ wor...e121507.article


GravatarI gotta say, Fat Tire was too sweet and not at all memorable. If you are ever in the Balto/DC area, you should check out Loose Cannon Ale by Clipper City Brewing.


GravatarOddly enough, Huckabee scares me the least of all the GOP candidates whereas Obama scares me the most of the Democratic ones.


Gravatar"The pre-warp bubble creates a cross-dimensional flux of matter that can, in fact, carry sound.
NTodd,"

In space, no one can hear you Bluff.
EkCenTriK | 12.15.07 - 9:20 pm | #


you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to figure that one out...


Gravatar"nd the real horror is the worm cheese in Italy."

oh

no


GravatarSee, this is exactly why Trek sucks and BSG is cool.

I like 'em both.


GravatarNever drank one but always enjoyed the can

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/ho...g/comments/222/


GravatarDamn it, fokowi, I'm an obnoxious, foul-mouthed, irritating commenter, not a blogger!


GravatarIllegal immigrants are the new Jacobites.

They want to restore the Catholic Stuarts to the throne?

That makes no sense.


GravatarI loved DS9 and that which preceeded it. Voyager and Enterprise not so much


GravatarI had to google BSG


GravatarI have heard of Fat Tire & I may have split a sample with Br Cuthbert (our brwer) once, but the name is more memorable that the taste, I fear. Prior Aelred

Well, obviously you should have tried the Abbey.


GravatarI gotta say, Fat Tire was too sweet and not at all memorable.

Kid C.--not even the label?


GravatarOK -- late & I got my procedural prep tomorrow (blech! :p)

So I'm outta here!


GravatarI had to google BSG -WalterNeff

Dude, try to show some self-restraint.


GravatarOddly enough, Huckabee scares me the least of all the GOP candidates

That is the plan, my friend.


GravatarSpeaking of Br. Cuthbert, Prior, his book is is on the way. I sent it media rate, so it may take a week or so.


GravatarBSG is too militaristic for me. I get enough of that in real life. I'll have a nice utopian future for my sci-fi, please.


GravatarThe best argument we ever heard for why trek should be adored is it was around when the speaker was lil, and its faults should be tolerated because it's just a show. But if it's just a crappy old show isn't that a reason to not tolerate it? Notice the way its franchise contains a metastasizing suburb full of nonthreatening indistinguishable siblings!


GravatarI like 'em both. NTodd

See, this is exactly why you suck coolly.


Gravatar Martin Sheen is supporting Richardson

Richardson was the Worst. Secretary of Energy. Ever.


GravatarOddly enough, Huckabee scares me the least of all the GOP candidates

Next thing they'll tell ya is that he is the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with


GravatarBSG is too militaristic for me. I get enough of that in real life. I'll have a nice utopian future for my sci-fi, please.

Pffft.

I like dystopia and utopia. All paths are valid.


GravatarThat is the plan, my friend.
Stunt Woman


I mean Huckabee scares me the least of the GOP pack if he were to actually become president. And the same about Obama worrying me if he were to become president. When I listen to Obama all I can think of is Greg Stillson from Dead Zone.


GravatarDesmoines Register:
The Register's caucus endorsements: McCain, Clinton


GravatarIt was not a joke. Yet.

http://www.wiccanchicken.com/wic...l- delicacy.html


GravatarSee, this is exactly why you suck coolly.

I'm warm in the summer.


GravatarRichardson was the Worst. Secretary of Energy. Ever.

I did not know that, and you're the energy expert. Even worse than the current occupant?


GravatarHere yo go, kids:

Gram Parsons photo gallery.

The man was certainly photogenic.


GravatarOf course, nothing can beat this.


GravatarI gotta say, Fat Tire was too sweet and not at all memorable.


I'm drinking the Amber Ale as I type and I must say that I am not a fan.

Then again, I am almost resigned to drinking nothing but pilsners for the rest of my life. At least, when I'm drinking beer that is.

My stomach can't take it anymore.


GravatarArkenor | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:29 pm |

All the American sci-fi we can think of is militaristic (sometimes appallingly baldly so, such as Chris Carter's Space Above and Beyond). Surely this is just a coincidence.
But BSG is amoral. This is a major accomplishment. Trek is all about having faith in the organization, following the chain of command, having a huge unified government with a trustworthy navy, it's fucking sick.


GravatarI did not know that, and you're the energy expert. Even worse than the current occupant?
Karin | 12.15.07 - 9:31 pm | #


In many ways, he was a typical clinton appointee: bullied by republicans, timid, sucking up to corporations, and pompous about the dfhs.

Wen Ho Lee and Enron/California are his legacies, tho.


GravatarHere yo go, kids:

Gram Parsons photo gallery.

The man was certainly photogenic.


I've been digging Gram's acoustic version of "Other Side of This Life" heavily for the past few weeks.


GravatarEkCenTrik, that was just gross.


GravatarEven worse than the current occupant?

IMHO, yes. (1) Wen ho Lee; (2) California; (3) Enron.

The prosecution rests.


GravatarOddly enough, Huckabee scares me the least of all the GOP candidates

That is the plan, my friend.
Stunt Woman | 12.15.07 - 9:28 pm | #


if we could only be half as scared of whomever they nominate as they are of whomever they nominate...

there's a whole lot of none of the above going on over there in whackjobland. and i'm sure after willard does his very own version of udiuliani tomorrow on mtp, it'll get uglier for them.

almost painful to watch...

keyword: almost.


GravatarAll the American sci-fi we can think of is militaristic (sometimes appallingly baldly so, such as Chris Carter's Space Above and Beyond). Surely this is just a coincidence.

Firefly was pretty anti-militaristic from where I sit. And anti-authoritarian.


GravatarI don't care what I'm watching so long as it features Michelle Forbes.


GravatarSpeaking of Chris Carter - they started shoot X-Files 2 this week.


Gravatar"Richardson was the Worst. Secretary of Energy. Ever."

I beg to differ.


GravatarKarin | 12.15.07 - 9:31 pm |

It's dangerous to talk like this around here but Clinton and his aides were fucking cowboys as far as deregulation and corruption were concerned. A lot of the progressive failure to rally around Studmuffin McGore stems from the cash crazy nineties and Democratic behavior then. As far as government shutdowns and blowjobs were concerned Newt basically was personally angry at Bill because Bill was a far, far better moderate Republican than Newt could ever be in a million community college semesters.


GravatarObama, for all of his inspirational oratory capability, seems to be a tad overwhelmed by the enormity of what he is doing.

He needs to lose that vibe. And to stop changing his delivery, depending on his audience. That's just pandering.


GravatarI've been digging Gram's acoustic version of "Other Side of This Life" heavily for the past few weeks.

Yeah, I've got that on vinyl.

"I Can't Take It Anymore" is a fucking fantastic song. Also his version of "That's The Bag I'm In".


Gravatar"EkCenTrik, that was just gross.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere"

Consider the fact that I am completely stuff at the moment. The wife made curried chicken on a large bed of rice. Topped it off with a large dish of BlueBell.

It took a bit of teeth gritting to search that down and read it.


GravatarThe thing about Obama is the dude ain't going away. Unless he gets busted with a crack pipe he's going to keep running until he wins. Dude is young.


GravatarOr rather, it stemmed from a failure of imagination that anything could be ... well the only word for it is Bush.


GravatarI don't care what I'm watching so long as it features Michelle Forbes.

Beam it up? Oh frak yes, I would.


GravatarClinton and his aides were fucking cowboys as far as deregulation

I agree w/ k&y about this.


GravatarI beg to differ.

What a fucking surprise coming from the Worst Troll Ever.


GravatarNTodd, Beaten by Dana | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:33 pm |

Did it fill the screen with tons and tons of spec ops ninjas in uniforms with guns? Because as we have seen elsewhere some people can't follow the fucking plot, they just like the shiny guns.


Gravatar"(2) California; (3) Enron."

I'd point the finger at FERC for those.


GravatarHey, Sinfonian!


GravatarThe thing about Obama is the dude ain't going away. Unless he gets busted with a crack pipe he's going to keep running until he wins. Dude is young.

Works for me. Pass the torch and all that shit.


Gravatarknock trek all you want, at least things actually happened on many trek episodes. i tried, on the advice of all you suckers here, as well as others, to get into BSG. outside of being trapped in amber in an ice age, i'm not sure how time could seem to pass more slowly.

also, i find their "greek" religion fatuous and annoying. polytheists and pagans can be more than uninteresting caricatures of fundie nightmares/fantasy playmates. you could even write them so their theology was interesting, instead of something like what a four year old would rehash after hearing grandpa muddle thru bullfinches without his teeth.


GravatarRichardson was the Worst. Secretary of Energy. Ever."

I beg to differ.


That is because you are a fucktard who doesn't know any more about energy policy than you do about anything else upon which you insist upon propounding opinions.


GravatarFirefly was pretty anti-militaristic from where I sit. And anti-authoritarian.

Oh crap!@!# I forgot to dvr the Firefly marathon on SciFi channel this weekend.


GravatarI mean Huckabee scares me the least of the GOP pack if he were to actually become president. And the same about Obama worrying me if he were to become president. When I listen to Obama all I can think of is Greg Stillson from Dead Zone.
puppethead | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:30 pm | #


You sound like a republican. Get medical treatment before it causes permanent damage.


GravatarThe wife made curried chicken on a large bed of rice.

EkCenTriK


Yum! What sort of curry was it?


GravatarDecon just don't know when to quit, do he?


GravatarAck, boldies!

(for Sinf...)

AAt least it's not Florida:

The nonprofit Institute for Creation Research in Dallas wants to train future science teachers in Texas and elsewhere using an online curriculum. A state advisory group gave its approval Friday;


GravatarI have Firefly on DVD - only SciFi show I've ever seen start to finish.


GravatarHas anyone ever taken a close look at the expressions on the face of Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson when he's near Bush?

I do and here are the frightening results.


Gravatarchidy knows how to hurt me.


GravatarOh crap!@!# I forgot to dvr the Firefly marathon on SciFi channel this weekend.

You can generally find the DVD set for under $20.


Gravatar"(2) California; (3) Enron."

I'd point the finger at FERC for those.


And the Secretary in charge of FERC is . . . .

Really, you don't want to dispute energy policy nor the Federal Power Act, either the 1935 or the 2005 version, with me. I am just saying.


Gravatar"Yum! What sort of curry was it?
Arkenor "

I will have to ask. We discuss green versus red but the details are beyond me. She has been getting advice from an East Indian co-worker. I have been happy with the results.


GravatarI have Firefly on DVD - only SciFi show I've ever seen start to finish.

Fucking rocks, man. 'cept for being on Fox...


GravatarI've been digging Gram's acoustic version of "Other Side of This Life" heavily for the past few weeks.

Yeah, I've got that on vinyl.


The only way to fly!

"I Can't Take It Anymore" is a fucking fantastic song. Also his version of "That's The Bag I'm In".

In fact, that LP of Gram odd ditties inspired me to pull out the classic Fred Neil "Everybody's Talkin" LP last night, which also blew me away for the hundredth time.

Do you have the CD of the Avalon shows that Amoeba put out? I've had an awesome sounding boot of one of those shows for years ... there's a lot of overlap and I wasn't sure if hearing more versions wouldn't taint the magic somehow ...


GravatarActually, tonite, I just broke into my homemade limoncello. It came out pretty good. :o)


GravatarRight now, Obama needs to start talking like a Chief Executive. I've said this before. Free advice to his campaign.

Fuck, just Youtube the '60 debates, for Pete's sake.


GravatarThe wife made curried chicken on a large bed of rice.

Speaking of which, no Trek nor BSG could hold a candle to Red Dwarf.


GravatarAnd I think in this case, it isn't really a curry, but curried.


GravatarI think we get different things out of different SciFi shows.

I just finished reading Rollback by Robert J. Sawyer. I really like his stuff because it deals with "future ethics" like "What happens to relationships when you can double your lifespan?"

Sawyer is always throwing ethical twists into his stories about life, love and death. He also uses his Canadian home very effectively to give his stories a sense of place.

I love BSG because it deals with issues like torture, terrorism and a genocidal race of "others". Also I like how BSG at least addresses the power religion has in people's lives which drives some of their behavior.

Are they human?


GravatarOutstanding photo essay, jurassicpork!


GravatarSeriously,

If, in this Bizarro universe that we currently live in, that Huckabee is somehow elected president, he will be so inept, so a-skirred of "executive power", that nothing will get done. Rudy! knows executive power, and has utilized it to destructive proportions. Huckabee wouldn't even know where to begin.

That's the standard that the current occupant has set. He's fucked the branch for generations to come.


GravatarReally, you don't want to dispute energy policy nor the Federal Power Act, either the 1935 or the 2005 version, with me. I am just saying.

Don't you understand? Wikipedia makes Decon an expert on everything, from sustainable homes to cryptography to energy policy. Don't you pull that Appeal to Authority shit while Decon's in the case!


GravatarI saw the first season of BSG. I think the main problem with it, and I had this with Firefly too, is that I just didn't like many of the characters. They're mostly a bunch of bastards. That's all very well, and no doubt very realistic, but I like to like the main characters of a show I watch. Childish, perhaps, but I watch this stuff to escape.


GravatarNever saw the Firefly movie, though


GravatarThe thing about Obama is the dude ain't going away. Unless he gets busted with a crack pipe he's going to keep running until he wins. Dude is young.

Works for me. Pass the torch and all that shit.


Sure. Except what are the odds that Obama becomes *less* conservative over time? On the other hand, it's clear that Presidents aren't the way to effect the sort of changes I'm interested in.


GravatarI just broke into my homemade limoncello

Lemon curry?


GravatarRumpelstiltskin is a dwarf character in a fairy tale of the same name that originated in Germany (where he is known as Rumpelstilzchen). The tale was collected by the Brothers Grimm, who first published it in the 1812 edition of Children's and Household Tales. It was subsequently revised in later editions until the final version was published in 1857.


Gravatarmy best friends brother knows a guy who roomed with a girl that used to know the guy in animal house that said, 'may i have 10,000 marbles, please'...

i think that comes in under 6. anybody got a calculator???

and please disregard the fact that i'm 1 thread off...


GravatarDoes anyone know what happened to Twisty?


GravatarHas anyone else seen the trailer for The Dark Knight?: Heath Ledger looks to be a great Joker.


GravatarI've been digging Gram's acoustic version of "Other Side of This Life" heavily for the past few weeks.

Stunt Woman,have you seen this?

Quite excellent...


GravatarToday I bake, tomorrow I brew,
Today for one
Tomorrow for two
Little knows my royal dame
Rumpelstiltskin is my name"


GravatarI am very excited to see the thrilling conclusion of America's Next Top Noodle. It's down to Ramen vs. Udon.


GravatarIn fact, that LP of Gram odd ditties inspired me to pull out the classic Fred Neil "Everybody's Talkin" LP last night, which also blew me away for the hundredth time.

Noice!

I'd love to stay and chat, but Zapette's gotta do some computing.

Later!


GravatarI think we get different things out of different SciFi shows.

Oh, I don't know. I've watched many. Can't remember specifics about any. Got the same thing out of them all: good times with my roomie Evan!


GravatarWalterNeff, author

Oh WalterNeff DO see Firefly the Movie. It is really good. And it MOVES. Well paced and funny.


GravatarJR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:38 pm | #

They are California exports. An era when Texas imports fundie morons is a sad era indeed. Like importing toxic waste to Jersey.


GravatarNever saw the Firefly movie, though

It's beautiful. Just the 3 opening expository vignettes are masterpiece.


GravatarOne place I didn't see a McDonald's. What's your answer?

No, I really wanted to know. I ain't been to fucking Amsterdam. Closest I got was Copenhagen on a bike.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


They are there.
They have them.
McNuggetsKip


GravatarInstead of "this country's challenge will be to ...", make it "MY challenge will be to ..."

It makes it personal, you're willing to own it, and answer for it.

This Nation is begging for a leader such as that.


GravatarI saw the first season of BSG. I think the main problem with it, and I had this with Firefly too, is that I just didn't like many of the characters.

Very realistic, quite frankly, although if you didn't see Firefly in the order Whedon intended, you'd lose a lot...


GravatarOh, and you really needed to see the BSG mini first...


Gravataroh, hec. don't tell me she's gone, i've not checked in for a while. she does say she 'forgets she has a blog,' and i can relate to that. i so very much hope she is well.


GravatarNow it's the Basil Rathbone/Errol Flynn swordfight! Rathbone has the advantage because all those medieval staircases spiraled to the left going down, to advantage the defenders.


Gravatar"And the Secretary in charge of FERC is . . . ."

FERC is independent of the Department of Energy, but DOE may intervene just like any other party in FERC proceedings. FERC activities "shall not be subject to further view by the Secretary [of Energy] or any officer or employee of the Department."

"Really, you don't want to dispute energy policy nor the Federal Power Act, either the 1935 or the 2005 version, with me. I am just saying."

I don't want to dispute energy policy with you? I will if I disagree with you.


GravatarFrom Firedoglake.

If Chris Dodd does not become president, he should be made Majority Leader. The only reason Daschle beat him out for caucus leadership years ago is because Ben Nighthorse Campbell voted the tiebreaker for Daschle, just before flipping allegiance to the GOP. Nice parting gift to the GOP, that.


GravatarHas anyone else seen the trailer for The Dark Knight?: Heath Ledger looks to be a great Joker.

I've essentially boycotted Hollywood since the last Hermione Granger movie, but I might break radio silence for Dark Knight. DK. Hmm...


Gravatar"They're mostly a bunch of bastards."

With Firefly I think that is handled purposefully as the plot develops. I disliked the series on first view since I only watched the first two. Then one day I was home sick and they had a small marathon running. By the 5th episode, my problems with the first two were resolved and made understandable.


GravatarChiDy is being unfair here. Callis, Olmos, Forbes and that other one (just to name four and there are several others) is a better actor, period, than anyone you'll see in a normal Trek episode. Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor and his entire time on trek is not worth one second as Sejanus (he fracking rocked as Sejanus). Also what normally happens on a BSG episode is poorly thought out sex, the self-destructiveness of the soldier at rest, drunkenness, dealing with peer pressure and under-questioned authority figures regarding gang rape, and going insane. On Trek what you normally see is simply THE WORST ALIEN WRITING EVER IN ANY SCIFI ANYTHING ANYWHERE "Oh I have a bad tan and a bad Russian accent, i'm a completely different organism, and oh also to save time we'll be using stereotypes!", vapid stabs at what normal down time might be in someone's head, and let's thank them for giving the world William Shatner. Seriously why bother writing about aliens if you're going to be so damn lazy about it? Would the dignity of the show have suffered so much if they were called Space Russians?


GravatarOh, and you really needed to see the BSG mini first...
NTodd


I did. Really, the only characters I could get behind were the Chief, and Billy. That didn't go so well.


GravatarRumpelstiltskin is a dwarf character in a blah blah blah...

Fuck off, jack


Gravatar
I don't want to dispute energy policy with you? I will if I disagree with you.


Jesus. You really can't accept that some people have more knowledge and experience than you, can you? Fucktard.


GravatarFrance:Sarkozy's discharged value-diplomacy.

Lebanon bids farewell to Hajj

-huge rally marks Hamas anniversary-


GravatarMichael Dukakis on Cspan.


GravatarThe "school teacher" president (Mary McDonnell) is one of my favorite characters in BSG, I also love Adama played by Edward James Olmos.

I love their interactions. Two adults trying to do what is right for what is left of the entire HUMAN RACE.


Gravatar"Would the dignity of the show have suffered so much if they were called Space Russians?"

No more than if they were up against alien cheese mites.


GravatarLike importing toxic waste to Jersey.
rootless-e


Yep.

I have an intense dislike for these kinds of people.


GravatarYou sound like a republican. Get medical treatment before it causes permanent damage.
rootless-e


No I don't. If you haven't noticed the wingers are swearing they'll never vote for Huckabee. And I think he's a loon, but he seems least likely (of the Republicans) to turn this country into a bigger police state than it is and continue the perpetual war.

Obama, I just don't see him as being his own man. I really worry he'll get backed into a corner and listen to the wrong advice and either not make a decision when he needs to or mistakenly make the wrong decision. His track record as a senator feeds into that perception.


GravatarDukakis says John Mccain and Howard Dean taught us all that huge amounts of money can be raised over the internet.


GravatarI did. Really, the only characters I could get behind were the Chief, and Billy. That didn't go so well.

Ach, see, I see the Adama drama to be so, uh...poignant and real. Tough doing all the stuff in a mini when you don't know if the show will go on, but I thought it was bang up. And the series picked right up and presented us with raw humans dealing with racial catastrophe in a believable fashion.

It wasn't until 3rd season that I got pissed. Devolved into typical soap opera (separating from my wife around the same time surely didn't help my perception).


GravatarThe "Ask not" speech was beautifully written and gorgeously delivered in January 1961.

Did Sorensen write that?


GravatarDukakis says people contribute over the internet not because they expect something but because they want you to do the right thing.


GravatarWould the dignity of the show have suffered so much if they were called Space Russians?

I will grant you the alarming regularity of plots hinging on the "Gee my arm is turning blue and half the people I know have vanished mysteriously, so I better not mention this to anyone" phenomenon.


GravatarThe "school teacher" president (Mary McDonnell) is one of my favorite characters in BSG, I also love Adama played by Edward James Olmos.

I love their interactions. Two adults trying to do what is right for what is left of the entire HUMAN RACE.


Yes. And that relationship, despite the early antagonism, grew so tender. It was like a long, political courtship with real humanity behind it.


Gravatark&y: let's go there. admittedly- i've not watched an ep in a long while, since my last long term nephew sitting gig last year. but iirc...tribes. lost homeland. autocratic, mechanical, monotheist fanatic enemies who once shared said homeland, but got kicked out. who just happen to "look like" human being people enough so that only tests and checks at the borders will keep them out. destruction of the sacred homeland. mystic texts about a long search, a journey, pain and suffering, and finally redemption and a gawd-granted place to live. militaristic culture that includes both genders.

i can keep going, if you like. /evil smile/


Gravatarjack, let me reiterate for the hard of thinking.

Fuck right off, and die slowly.


GravatarLike importing toxic waste to Jersey.

Hey, now!


GravatarWhat about the speech Bobby Kennedy gave to poor blacks after MLK was shot? Who wrote that?


Gravataruck, just Youtube the '60 debates, for Pete's sake.
MP | 12.15.07 - 9:40 pm | #

Schmucabee does have the nixonian 5 o'clock shadow thing.


GravatarThe "Ask not" speech was beautifully written and gorgeously delivered in January 1961.

Did Sorensen write that?


He wrote the speech, but allegedly JFK wrote that particular phrase himself.


GravatarHey, now!
Karin


Well, you can't say it wasn't fair.

mean yes, unfair, no.


GravatarDukakis said wife was an alcoholic for 17 years and no medications or therapy would work. So a doctor finally recommended shock therapy.


GravatarBSG has offered several horrible episodes, uneven writing sabotaging otherwise good episodes, and Michael Angeli. Trek on the other hand has like two or three solid episodes in its entire run. Its fans go to it expecting to forgive and ignore most of it, and the writers know that.


GravatarSo is this "Cloverfield" a cross between "War of the Worlds" and "Blair Witch Project"?

the trailer just made me want to vomit with all the hand-held camera shit.


GravatarI think the new Bionic Woman has shown the BSG stuff isn't that good. Without the niftiness of the space stuff it's pretty non-compelling TV. And I've found as BSG moved away from the chase plotline it got harder and harder to watch.


GravatarDukakis says electroconvulsive therapy cured his wife's desire to constantly drink.


GravatarWhat about the speech Bobby Kennedy gave to poor blacks after MLK was shot? Who wrote that?

Didn't he ad lib that?


GravatarWait, there's something wrong with the universe.

I agree with k&y on the suckitude of Trek.


GravatarAnother thing I love about BSG is that some times the characters you love Do things that you know are wrong and they know are wrong but they do them because they think they are doing it for the greater good.

"We really need to throw this election because the other person would be a disaster for this fleet."

Because then it shows the same mindset of OUR "leaders" use to justify their running roughshod over the constitution. IN BSG they really ARE at war. They ARE potentially going to be eliminated, so maybe they SHOULD just through all the rules out the windows.


Gravataredwards needs to tweak his 'two americas' message.

the 90/10 factor should make it plausible...


GravatarDidn't he ad lib that?
NTodd, Beaten by Dana

Yup


GravatarHe wrote the speech, but allegedly JFK wrote that particular phrase himself.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


Watching it on Youtube, with the steam coming out of JFK's mouth that wintry day, makes you fucking shiver about what could have been.


GravatarI think the new Bionic Woman has shown the BSG stuff isn't that good.

Oh, come on. That's just silly.


GravatarDidn't he ad lib that?

I doubt it. Who was bobby kennedy's speechwiter?


GravatarWe went from "Ask not..." to "switchgrass" in just 45 years. Mike Judge is right.


GravatarDidn't he ad lib that?
NTodd, Beaten by Dana

yes he did.


GravatarI think Sorenson also wrote Kennedy's senior thesis at Harvard.


GravatarI doubt it. Who was bobby kennedy's speechwiter?
psy

Bobby Kennedy


GravatarEnron was during Bush.

Entergy, who swapped rates on paper with different Cali Companies thru Enron, ran their bills up on me with Bush in the White House for a storage facility.

They were trying to send me unlevelled bills for almost four hundred and all it used was a security light, and a storage light indoors...


GravatarSorenson definetely co-wrote Profiles in Courage.


GravatarWhat about the speech Bobby Kennedy gave to poor blacks after MLK was shot? Who wrote that?
psy


I believe it was extemporaneous. I think it had the astounding Aeschylus quote in it, which of course Bobby knew by heart following the years after Dallas:

"He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God."

Mistah Bush, he cain't even spell Aeschylus.


Gravatarpsy - maybe you could ask your friend Econ to dig into his vast knowledge of all things to answer the RFK speech question. I mean, hell, I know the Kennedys had no charisma, smarts or eloquence, so you're probably right that Robert could never have ad libbed such a speech, but I cannot be sure until Econ weighs in.


GravatarYes! It's Udon!!!


Gravatarwatertiger:

We've talking about that in our offices: we're convinced Abrams and the studio have a big problem on their hands with Cloverfield re motion sickness.


GravatarOh, come on. That's just silly.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


Not at all. Bionic Woman is the BSG creative team's project. Same kind of character development, same shaky camera work, same long pauses of nothing. But without the space hardware to hide behind.


GravatarThis is some good news, anyway.
Back From Guantanamo


GravatarDukakis says when he arrived at Swarthmore in the late 30's the barber shops wouldn't cut the hair of black kids. So Dukakis organized a protest and became the campus barber.


GravatarMy favorite was Red Dwarf.

I'm not a serious person.


GravatarMistah Bush, he cain't even spell Aeschylus.

Ayyyyshhhhh, uh, asshole-us?


Gravatar"The questions are the answers."

Bill Clinton on Charlie Rose last night discussing this campaign season...


GravatarGood evening.

I just plowed through the third season of Lost on DVD. Episode after episode, every 42 minutes I'd reach for the remote and say, "Oh, you bastards."

Each little cliffhanger making me yearn for the next episode, even if it's way past bedtime.

Hello, I'm Uncle Smokes, and I'm a Lostaholic.


GravatarThe 'grace of God' was unknown to Aeschylus.


GravatarAm I banned yet?
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Gravatarpuppethead | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:51 pm | #

Obama is a highly intelligent person who worked as a community organizer and a labor rights lawyer and was an effective legislator before becoming senator. His record in the senate is mixed, but nothing in it indicates anything less than a smart person with principles. He's nowhere near DK in terms of political courage, but ...

On the other hand Huckabee is from all reports corrupt, ignorant, a religious zealot, a man who exercised judgement by pardoning a rapist to murder and rape again, and a buffoon.

And you think Huckster would make a less dangerous president than Obama?


GravatarWe went from "Ask not..." to "switchgrass" in just 45 years. Mike Judge is right.

Just think, Pres. Huckabee could put
us on the express train to Idiocracy.


GravatarThe greeks didn't believe in gods of grace.


Gravatarpermanent siege, the deep fear/lust of miscengenation with members of the 'wrong' religion, righteous judge-like leaders elevated by circumstance and chance who lead by the word of the gawdz, a stopover during the wandering exodus that includea enslavement to an autocratic oppressor, sweeping tragedy in the face of endless, hopeless war/conflict with an unfeeling enemy made up of mindless hoardes...

tell me when to stop, kids. i accept my lameness for loving ST:TNG and Vgr, and i don't expect people not to mock me for it. so starbuck shall be your cross in future generations.


GravatarNot at all. Bionic Woman is the BSG creative team's project. Same kind of character development, same shaky camera work, same long pauses of nothing. But without the space hardware to hide behind.

Oy. I know who the creators are. That doesn't matter. It's a different fucking show, and has no bearing on the goodness of another show any more than any particular album does on another by the same artists.

Turns out even the best creators can fuck up and churn out shitty material for a variety of reasons.


Gravatarit's a troll? at christmas time? That's decidedly unChristian of you to interrupt good people's good natured banter with your hate. Who would Jesus hate psy?


Gravatarchicago dyke, bitch | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 9:53 pm

There is a very interesting little scrap of pork dipped in cheese if you will on this note. After they finished doing the bit about explaining suicide bombing so even an American could grok, one of the actresses mentioned this at a party, and then they went to James Callis who weakly slipped out that um well i really think it creates its own mythology. There are all kinds of awkward little pieces of a select culture from all angles in scifi and this is no exception. Some of them are strange. Callis's character is exactly the kind of media-savvy, self-righteous, cosmopolitan, elitist, intellectual, back-stabbing, immoral, hedonist, opportunist bastard you'd expect Pat Buchanan to warn you about (later he deliberately cultivated Patriarchal-looking curls for his hair, but no horns yet).
The main thing is, we look upon it as an accomplishment for an American show to be so honest about the military, considering how dishonest American media is considering how often they talk about it.


Gravatarfuck off jack


GravatarMy favorite was Red Dwarf. I'm not a serious person. HoneyBearKelly

Come sit by me and have some chicken vindaloo.


GravatarSpeaking of Gitmo


Gravatari accept my lameness for loving ST:TNG and Vgr,

Great. So will you meet me in the holodeck for a little fun later?


GravatarI'd rather watch Blake's 7 than Star Drek, frankly.


GravatarI actually liked the "torch has passed" part of the speech as well.


GravatarMagical Mystery Tour sucked, therefore Sgt Pepper's sucked.


GravatarDukakis says Bush is the worst President in his lifetime and this 'stupid war is the worst mistake in the history of foreign policy.'


GravatarBSG made a mistake in not having metallic Cylons.


GravatarAnd you think Huckster would make a less dangerous president than Obama?
rootless-e


Gods no, you misinterpreted what I was saying. I think Huckabee is the least worst of the awful GOP choices. I'd hate having him for president, but if it has to be one of the Republicans running I think he'd do the least damage to the world.

As for Obama, I just get the sense he's easily swayed by his advisors and has very few leadership skills (being an organizer isn't the same thing). Just my opinion.


GravatarAI sucked therefore Close Encounters sucked.


GravatarTurns out even the best creators can fuck up and churn out shitty material for a variety of reasons.

Present company excepted, of course.


GravatarWell I guess I answered my own question.
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GravatarNTodd, Beaten by Dana | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 10:03 pm |

By the way, we avoided BW based on a hilarious burn review at TVw/oP, the funniest we've ever read there. It sucked like a set of bionic lips. However, the show is apparently successful and the acidic review (which we regret not saving) has since disappeared altogether from the site!


GravatarThe Next Generation episode where Picard fought his brother in the vineyard was great.


GravatarMy name is Walter. I am a Lostaholic.


GravatarBSG made a mistake in not having metallic Cylons.

Um...


GravatarThe greeks didn't believe in gods of grace.

Aphrodite begs to differ.


GravatarDukakis says Bush deserves credit for getting the Federal Government deeply involved in education.


GravatarMagical Mystery Tour sucked, therefore Sgt Pepper's sucked.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana

That kind of reasoning is wingnutty!


GravatarAI sucked therefore Close Encounters sucked.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 10:06 pm |

Actually yes they both sucked, but it's because Spielberg is a twit.


GravatarThis is how you acend to the Oval Office.


GravatarCome sit by me and have some chicken vindaloo.
JeffCO


Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!


GravatarThe second season of Lost sucked a lot.

The third season kinda redeemed it.


GravatarActually yes they both sucked, but it's because Spielberg is a twit.

Close Encounters so did not suck.

But I will, in fact, refuse to go further in such discussions because I hate them with a passion you just don't know. So I am done with this one.


GravatarBSG made a mistake in not having metallic Cylons.

Um...
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


The remake.


GravatarThere are all kinds of awkward little pieces of a select culture from all angles in scifi and this is no exception.

ach. my nephew ran me ragged and i can't keep it all str8 in my haid today; but there are about 000 robot movies running in tandem right now. "does not compute."

accept your undeniable lameness. loving any scifi is loving that which cannot be defended, in civilized company. it's like pr0n. it's naughty, stupid, venal, and it feels good while making you fat. also, you pay for it, even as you hide the credit card receipts. fwiw, the blonde robot chickee and i have a date; she just doesn't know it yet. tasha yar could've learned a thing or two from that one.


GravatarMy name is Walter. I am a Lostaholic.
WalterNeff, author


Hi, Walter. Glad you're Here!

It's been two hours since I watched the last episode of the the third season. I have the first season ready to go for a binge.


GravatarUncle Smokes and Walter, meet my friend, Ken, he is also a Lostaholic.

(I don't watch TV so I can't contribute to these conversations. My children don't watch TV either--I hope it doesn't mean future schoolyard hell for them...)


GravatarLittle ice cubes are pelting my window.


GravatarThe remake.

Yes, I know. There were Toasters in the remake, too.


GravatarBut I will, in fact, refuse to go further in such discussions because I hate them with a passion you just don't know. So I am done with this one.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


Fine. Lets discuss Denver QBs of the 80's and 90's


Gravatarso starbuck shall be your cross in future generations.

And verily we shall carry her like that one guy in the Life of Maxim Gorky. Although we would rather carry Dualla because her ass is prettier and biggerer. Honestly, we'd rather have a dysfunctional alcoholic dealing with combat and insecurity the way real humans do (surely we spoil nothing!) than the watered down cold war machismo of Trek.


GravatarDukakis says the Dems have forgotten how to do precinct based grass roots organizing.


GravatarClose Encounters so did not suck.


Yeah, it did.

Maybe not as far along the suck scale as some, but it .. well, sucked.


Gravatar(I don't watch TV so I can't contribute to these conversations. My children don't watch TV either--I hope it doesn't mean future schoolyard hell for them...)
whiskey gir

You're doing it right


GravatarFine. Lets discuss Denver QBs of the 80's and 90's

Okay. Elway will, in fact, burn in hell.

Done.

Next topic?


GravatarSmoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!

Smegging hell!


GravatarThe remake.
Gomez


They had lots of them on the ground during the colony shows, known as "toasters". And the recent "BSG: Razor" showed some "by your command" helmet head Cylons.


Gravatarhow you acend to the Oval Office.

Commission poetry. It's a v. good beginning.


GravatarGods no, you misinterpreted what I was saying


Phew. I don't have an opinion on the thugs other than that Rudy July is the worst.


Gravatar"That is because you are a fucktard who doesn't know any more about energy policy than you do about anything else upon which you insist upon propounding opinions."

Oh boy.


GravatarMeeester Neff,

It's terrible.  Can't wait for the reviews.


Gravataris res around? we can talk about paint.


GravatarYeah, it did.

Maybe not as far along the suck scale as some, but it .. well, sucked.


As I said, I'm not going there. I hate discussions about creations that are inherently subjective.


GravatarLittle ice cubes are pelting my window.

I also just heard something on the roof, I thought maybe I had squirrels in the attic.


Gravatartasha yar could've learned a thing or two from that one.

She learned that one you go black you never go back.


Gravatarwhiskey,

Son didn't watch tv, either. Scholarship to Princeton. Just saying.


GravatarLittle ice cubes are pelting my window.
HoneyBearKelly |


Little ice cubes are melting in my whiskey


GravatarIn that JFK inauguration clip, after the swearing in, the first hand he shook was Chief Justice Earl Warren. The second was Vice President Lyndon Johnson.

The third hand JFK shook as Chief Executive, was Richard Nixon's.


GravatarDukakis says Giuliani used the phrase 'government-run' 31 times in describing the dems health plans.


GravatarLittle ice cubes are pelting my window.

Despite repeated efforts, BJ Thomas never could recapture the magic.


GravatarNEW CYLON

Sucks.


GravatarSon didn't watch tv, either. Scholarship to Princeton. Just saying.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |


Thanks, Hecate. And the girls actually watch movies--often enough that today the 7yo was singing the VERSES to 'Spoonful of Sugar!'


GravatarThe greeks didn't believe in gods of grace.

Aphrodite begs to differ.
Hecate


it's really sad that so few remember where the term "the graces" comes from, when you take into account that "history" thing. but then again, i know the american education system, and so i'm not really that surprised.


Gravatar(I don't watch TV so I can't contribute to these conversations. My children don't watch TV either--I hope it doesn't mean future schoolyard hell for them...)
whiskey gir


Hooray! Our kids attention spans are 10x those of their friends who watch tv - and it's certainly not due to my influence.


GravatarDukakis says Medicare works extremely well for people over 65 and there's no reason it can't work for everybody else.


GravatarAnd the recent "BSG: Razor" showed some "by your command" helmet head Cylons

I rarely watched after the new series didn't have the original Cylons.


Gravatar I hate discussions about creations that are inherently subjective.
NTodd


There are certain things that are not all that subjective, like the pandering... the awful, horrible,, pandering....


Gravatarit's really sad that so few remember where the term "the graces" comes from

Ayup.

I saw a bumper sticker today that said "Grace Happens." I want it, even though I imagine it's basically xian.


GravatarDukakis says Bush saying, 'All they have to do is go to the emergency room' is one of the dumbest and most dishonest things he's ever heard.


Gravatarpsy

Haven't you fucked off yet, jack? Snap to it.


GravatarI rarely watched after the new series didn't have the original Cylons.
Gomez | 12.15.07 - 10:16 pm

This is incomprehensible.


GravatarNext topic?
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


Running backs who fumble at the goal line.


Gravatarthanks, bill.


GravatarNEW CYLON Sucks.

I beg, defer - whatever it takes.


GravatarIt's possible to watch TV and also get a scholarship to Princeton. Just saying.


GravatarDukakis says he never watches the Sunday political shows.


Gravatar(it certainly sounds better than "the Norns are going to send you to Hel")


Gravatarso few remember where the term "the graces" comes from

Mexican landscapers?


GravatarDukakis says the Electoral College ought to be abolished and he doesn't understand why there isn't more public agitation about this.


GravatarOriginal-style Cylon from BSG: Razor

Kind of weird to just pop those in out of the blue.


GravatarThis is incomprehensible.
kei & yuri


To me they were the best part.

Sorry that you can't comprehend that.


Gravatarrootless-e: but do your children complain about not being able to keep up with the Jones's?


Gravatar(it certainly sounds better than "the Norns are going to send you to Hel")
kei & yuri


GravatarThe old fleshless Cylons, besides being laughable, were a significant factor in grounding the show to poorly thrown together escapism. Now they not only act but serve as a device to allow directors to milk more than one performance out of the same actor.


GravatarDukakis, 'Who was the last President to seriously advocate the abolition of the Electoral College?'


GravatarYour Frank Rich fix has arrived:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/1...tml? ref=opinion


GravatarRare is the morning that passes where, well-regulated by a cup of coffee, I enter the bathroom and think of that magnificent line from Red Dwarf: "There's a meteor bigger than King Kong's first dump of the day, and it's screaming straight towards us."


Gravatar(it certainly sounds better than "the Norns are going to send you to Hel")
kei & yuri


1) Hel is not a place.

2) The Norns didn't send anyone anywhere.


GravatarJR--I'm no res, but speaking of paint, I'm halfway through my gallons of 'tomato red' and pear...


Gravatarbecause her ass is prettier and biggerer

bouncy, it's all about the bounce. i don't care much for measurements or comparative dimension games, but the bounce? that's what the tap is all about. no?

i would still have my han gf, except that she was too angry about math, and had a flat butt. i could've forgiven the math obession.


GravatarSon didn't watch tv, either. Scholarship to Princeton. Just saying.

I watched only slightly less TV than the guy from Dream On and did fine, thank you. Also could whup your son's ass at Name That Thelma.


Gravatardo your children complain about not being able to keep up with the Jones's?

If you let them watch tv, they'll complain that the neighbors watch more tv, have more cable channels, have a bigger tv, etc. Son complained mightily. Too bad. I also didn't let him eat poison, even if it was sugar-coated.


GravatarThe youtube is full of Red Dwarf clips.


GravatarThe old fleshless Cylons, besides being laughable, were a significant factor in grounding the show to poorly thrown together escapism

They were evil looking fuckers. They made the show.


GravatarKind of weird to just pop those in out of the blue.
puppethead | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 10:19 pm |

Yeah, that was fansabisu at its most artless. And now we must wash this car...


GravatarDukakis says he's the son of immigrants, one of whom became a doctor and one who became a schoolteacher.


GravatarThere are 33 members of the Los Angeles Film Critics Association. Two of them write for Boxoffice. They announced their Best Picture the other day: There Will Be Blood with Daniel Day-Lewis.


GravatarI stopped watching TV sci-fi after QUARK. I just couldn't imagine anything better...


GravatarDukakis says the idea that we're going to send 12 million people back someplace is preposterous.


GravatarAlso could whup your son's ass at Name That Thelma.

Oh, I doubt it.

I'm sure some people watch tv and turn out fine. But's it's a delivery device for all that's wrong with our culture and the patriarchy and I just chose to fill his childhood w/ other things. And he turned out v. ok, if I do say so myself.


GravatarDukakis, 'Let me be as subtle as I can, Mitt Romney is a fraud.'


Gravatarbouncy, it's all about the bounce. i don't care much for measurements or comparative dimension games, but the bounce? that's what the tap is all about. no?

i would still have my han gf, except that she was too angry about math, and had a flat butt. i could've forgiven the math obession.
chicago dyke, bitch


Those word problems in differential equations about things like corks bobbing up and down could certainly have been made more interesting by instead measuring the rate of butt bounce.


GravatarNEW CYLON

Sucks.
Gomez


Old Toasters = POS.

Reimaged Toaster = Teh New Hawtness.


GravatarEast Asian bottoms are growing, but it's because of increasing milk consumption, and so there are problems like ancestrally-ordained lactose intolerance, environmental destruction and skyrocketing food prices from increased dairy demand, and also it's happening slowly.


GravatarDukakis, 'By the way, Romney was a lousy Governor.'


Gravatarv

I just fiished painting the downstairs hallway "Lyon's red" bottom right here

Looks very nice.


GravatarOr Brown.


GravatarI just couldn't imagine anything better...
MisterX


Go. Get. Red Dwarf.

Quark was funny. Red Dwarf is funnier.


GravatarYou don't understand beauty if your fixated on the ass.


GravatarBut it's a delivery device for all that's wrong with our culture

Hell yes. The most interesting argument about tv is that there is so much excellent tv you are never going to see on it, without buying or renting the dvd or going to the theatre. But you can see Britney abuse her kids on 50 different shows.


GravatarBut's it's a delivery device for all that's wrong with our culture and the patriarchy



GravatarHecate--the girls and I actually did watch The Story of Stuff that you posted! For some reason we couldn't get Production to load, but they watched everything else with me.

Then we had a conversation about whether or not they needed another nutcracker doll.


GravatarWhy does Dylan Baker have one arm in Spiderman? We're missing something.


GravatarEast Asian bottoms are growing, but it's because of increasing milk consumption....
kei & yuri


Oy...where is my mind?

It took me a moment to parse what you meant, confused as I about the effect of milk consumption on those preferring the passive position.


Gravatarwho else types a long post/response on some comment/story, only to erase it unposted & unseen by anyone? i seem to do this all the time here of late, i'm thinking it's a sign i need to move on and/or stop blogging.


GravatarQuark was funny. Red Dwarf is funnier.
JR, kerosene and a match


OK, but Red Dwarf better have the equivalent of Betty 1 and Betty 2...
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GravatarDukakis says the idea that we're going to send 12 million people back someplace is preposterous.
psy

just got back from an early xmas celebration with family, during which my Fox-watching, Xtian fundamentalist brother advocated kicking them all out, building a wall and shooting those who tried to get in. good times...


Gravatarwho else types a long post/response on some comment/story, only to erase it unposted & unseen by anyone? i seem to do this all the time here of late, i'm thinking it's a sign i need to move on

I used to worry about offending NTodd.

Then one day I realized: fuck that weak shit.


Gravatar CYLON THAT DOES NOT SUCK


GravatarWhy does Dylan Baker have one arm in Spiderman? We're missing something.
WalterNeff


Is he playing Doc Connors, by any chance?


GravatarGeez, HoneyBear, the funniest part of that clip was the "see you later, alligator" joke.


Gravatarwhickey, where di you put the tomato and pear.

(That's a combo I probably couldn't slide past the SO)


GravatarAre these illegal immigrants being paid the minimum wage?


Gravatarjust got back from an early xmas celebration with family, during which my Fox-watching, Xtian fundamentalist brother advocated kicking them all out, building a wall and shooting those who tried to get in.

Was that before he after he used his feces to write "Get out of my brain, Satan!" on the living room wall?


GravatarThe Rimmer Song


GravatarWhy is illegal immigration an issue in states that have almost no mexican immigrants. What they fuck do they care? This is an issue for the southwest.


GravatarAs you have probably noticed by now, I'm not overly concerned about offending *anyone*.

However, I really must learn to use preview.


GravatarWhy does Dylan Baker have one arm in Spiderman? We're missing something.
WalterNeff, author


Uhhhh... he plays Dr Kurt Connors, who experiments with tissue regeneration (like a reptile growing back it's tail), and eventually becomes the villain The Lizard...
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GravatarIn fact we came across a Chinese goddess with a baby face and the kind of breasts you don't expect to see on a white or black girl let alone a Chinese (she was South Chinese without being Cantonese, SC like Vietnamese get more milk and beef protein, that really does make the difference), and then you get to her moneymaker and it's flat broke on tax day. Certainly some people would be more than happy with that arrangement but to others the moon is the sun.


GravatarYou don't understand beauty if your fixated on the ass.
psy


face it jack, Miss March just isn't into you ...


Gravatarjust got back from an early xmas celebration with family, during which my Fox-watching, Xtian fundamentalist brother advocated kicking them all out, building a wall and shooting those who tried to get in. good times...
a dingo ate the baby


"Cuz that's what Jesus would do! Just like the gentle carpenter, He only turns the other cheek so he can grab another can of whoop ass!"
-- Maria Bamford


Gravatarchicago dyke, bitch,

I do it all of the time but basically it is because I tend to dwell way too much in the dark lands and not all like to share.

The problem is that these dark thoughts have no end and no point: there is nothing I can do about what is bothering me so to dwell on the negative does little good. OTOH, I care about people and my stupid country and it is hard to let it go.


GravatarTHANKSTAKING!!!!


GravatarDukakis says jack should fuck off.


Gravatar CYLON THAT DOES NOT SUCK

Dirk Benedict would've made a great Cylon.


GravatarThose word problems in differential equations about things like corks bobbing up and down could certainly have been made more interesting by instead measuring the rate of butt bounce.
Uncle Smokes


hi. i'm a lesbian. you've met me? "corks bobbing up and down" isn't a pr0no phrase of excitement for me. just saying.

Son didn't watch tv, either. Scholarship to Princeton. Just saying.

there are many worthless books out there, and many pointless lectures. however, there are fewer of both of them, than the total number of hours spent watching teevee from the last 50 or so years. given a choice, any chitlin near me will be exposed to the former, and none of the latter. i'll happily bet on her chances at a (meaningful, to an elite school) scholarship, over those of the kids who know all brittney's bratz' names and have hi score at some interactive website for group pretend killing.


Gravatar-- Maria Bamford

Her delivery cracks me up. Which I guess is intended, so good on her!


GravatarThis thread is still going on?


Gravatarhi. i'm a lesbian.

What?!

Next you'll tell me Jodie Foster is a dyke...


Gravatar(That's a combo I probably couldn't slide past the SO)
JR, kerosene and a match


Not actually in the same room, but in adjacent rooms, which I hope to join further by knocking out half a wall.

The pear is on the wainscoting and cabinets in the kitchen (above on the walls is navajo white). Through an archway, in the music room, behind and across from the very dark piano is tomato red. Makes me happy. Also in the music room are a couple yellows, whose names I cannot recall. Very warm.


GravatarThis thread is still going on?

No, you've just stumbled into a simulacrum of a thread.


Gravatar CYLON THAT DOES NOT SUCK

Dirk Benedict would've made a great Cylon.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


No. They turned him into a chick.

Dumb.


Gravatar"This thread is still going on?"

No.


Gravatar
Dirk Benedict would've made a great Cylon.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


He was gonna be God, but that got dumped. Would be fun to see it happen before the end of the show.


GravatarOooh, looks like the noreaster is about 60 miles SW of us...


Gravatari'll happily bet on her chances at a (meaningful, to an elite school) scholarship, over those of the kids who know all brittney's bratz' names and have hi score at some interactive website for group pretend killing.

Because that's really all pop culture is.


GravatarRemember Concrete Blonde? I got kinda hooked on them in law school.


GravatarNo. They turned him into a chick. Dumb. Gomez

Well now you're just being pre-emptively upset about the Steelers.


GravatarNo. They turned him into a chick.

Dumb.


No. Hawt.


GravatarMisterX - thanks, we didn't know: I've never read a comic book (except maybe an Archie once or twice).


GravatarWas that before he after he used his feces to write "Get out of my brain, Satan!" on the living room wall?
Stunt Woman

naaaah - it was at the tail end of an argument about Iraq: I said we were there because of oil and hubris, he "believes" that Saddam had nukes and that said nukes are now in Syria. pretty intractable positions, really - but that's holidays in the Dingo clan...weeeeeee!


GravatarYou are making me want to repaint my house in the red palette. Right now I've got a lot of burnt orangey/brown and pinky-beige stuff. Not together of course.


Gravatar"...over those of the kids who know all brittney's bratz' names and have hi score at some interactive website for group pretend killing."


The idiot kid who used an axe at a gay bar in Massachusetts then went on the run with his thirty something live at home online g/f killed a guy who was a retired cop from here.

Bunch of those ICP idiots thought he was such a great guy. So great he shot his old lady and himself instead of facing up to what he'd done, after shooting a cop halfway across the country on the run.

Are people really that different that someone would hunt 'them' down where they associate?


GravatarConcrete Blonde!


GravatarConcrete Blonde played at our little school venue. Johnette Napolitano was teh major hot on the bass.


Gravatark&y- insult me, make cheese, it's all the same. there's a benefit to understanding some history- no "culture" is heroic, no "people" are better. i'm cool with that, as well as the whole T/A debate. it's all good, and love, like hip hop, knows no bounds to those with free minds, right?

Then one day I realized: fuck that weak shit.
Stunt Woman


it's not that, it's that i have to restrain myself from insulting people. i'm working so hard on being "civil," because i want to impress my dying grandmother, or something.*













*regular readers will know that granny-mater is a ball busting bitch who hates my guts, and thus the joke.


GravatarMisterX - thanks, we didn't know: I've never read a comic book (except maybe an Archie once or twice).
WalterNeff, author


I live to serve.

Oh, and I love comics too.
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GravatarI've never read a comic book (except maybe an Archie once or twice).
WalterNeff, author


Really? You are missing out.


GravatarRemember Concrete Blonde? I got kinda hooked on them in law school.

Loved them.

And with that I'm off.

Buenas noches.


Gravatarchicago dyke, bitch | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 10:32 pm

When we were lil we were exposed to lecturing and educational stuff, and really we didn't really get any of it until early tweens reading Tolkein and Campbell on mythology, Neil Postman on media and Huxley on oh my god the government is sucking out your brain ology. Around this time kei was dragged along (babysitting) to a lecture on political lying through the teevee, and this made an impression. But even if stuff isn't comprehended as an adult would it helps to begin to build mental structures and it also gives exposure to something other than total brainlessness. Another thing (again kei not yuri, at this somewhat later time yuri was beginning to dip into Uber Catholicism) was a sort of relaxed conversational roundtable discussing the role of myth and religion in society with random uninterested folks every week. Sort of a meatspace version of here, but for religion instead of politics. As long as you don't let your little snowflake yammer all night it allows it (the snowflake) to see people talking intelligently and respectfully about things that are not necessarily tangible or instantly entertaining.


Gravatar"Cuz that's what Jesus would do! Just like the gentle carpenter, He only turns the other cheek so he can grab another can of whoop ass!"
-- Maria Bamford
Uncle Smokes

Jesus 2.0 - this time he's playing for keeps!


GravatarThe pear is on the wainscoting and cabinets in the kitchen (above on the walls is navajo white). Through an archway, in the music room, behind and across from the very dark piano is tomato red. Makes me happy. Also in the music room are a couple yellows, whose names I cannot recall. Very warm.
whiskey girl


Sounds very nice.

The hall leads into the living room, which is Stuart gold. I was thinking of a brighter red, but the SO muttered something about "freshly slashed artery". The Lyon's red is more like freshly slashed vein.

I'm thinking of putting up wainscotting in the hall because of the dog, but I really don't like having to deal with wainscotting.


GravatarNo. Hawt.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


We disagree. To me its like making Bones a chick.


GravatarGeez, HoneyBear, the funniest part of that clip was the "see you later, alligator" joke.
Karin


Not a good clip for Red Dwarf newbies, doesn't showcase the show well. The whole Ace Rimmer character was in itself the joke.

Here's a better clip, Does Anyone Want Any Toast?


GravatarIts like making Solo a chick.


GravatarWe disagree. To me its like making Bones a chick.

That would be hawt.


GravatarThat would be hawt.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


[Throws tub of cold water on NTodd]


GravatarRight now I've got a lot of burnt orangey/brown and pinky-beige stuff. Not together of course.
Karin


Mom, is that you?


GravatarRemember Concrete Blonde? I got kinda hooked on them in law school.
MP

"Loved them.

And with that I'm off.

Buenas noches."
--HoneyBearKelly
Almost listened to them in the AM, chose a live gig of The Cult instead, but there's more to anticipate...


GravatarJR--your Lyons red looks more grown-up than tomato. But the tomato feels like Paris, 1920, to me, for some reason


GravatarThanks for nothing. The we are an empire brigade strikes again at the Bali summit. Hey, listen: you are bankrupt. Get it? We, the rest of the world sort of finance your follies. Now bugger off and get with the project.


Gravatarkei & yuri | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 10:40 pm | #

Now *that's* the kind of k&y comment I remember fondly!


GravatarIt's better to let a kid watch TV from time to time than to be a parent with an explosive temper.


Gravatar[Throws tub of cold water on NTodd]
Gomez


Hey! I had my corks bobbing up and down in that!


GravatarRight now I've got a lot of burnt orangey/brown and pinky-beige stuff. Not together of course.
Karin


Black and Gold goes with everything.


GravatarThey should gone amplan and made them all chicks.
We have been thinking that the only way to get around patriarchal influence in writing is to write a script for all guys, a good one, and then don't tell the writer and hire all chicks to play the roles totally straight. The only "gender" is from nature, there is no pain the the ass weighdown thing set aside for the weak little girls, etc.


GravatarIt's better to let a kid watch TV from time to time than to be a parent with an explosive temper.

It's better to masturbate than to launch an immoral and illegal war based on lies.


GravatarListening to Rush made my penis 12 inches wider.


GravatarJR--your Lyons red looks more grown-up than tomato. But the tomato feels like Paris, 1920, to me, for some reason
whiskey girl


My house is a tad older than that, so I can get away with grown up.

The trim is Down white, BTW.

I'm re-doing the floor by the entrance in the spring, golden slate, probably.


GravatarListening to Rush made my penis 12 inches wider.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 10:45 pm |

Only because you banged it into sundry goods in frustration.


GravatarThe Steelers have a chance tomorrow because the two mooses in the Jag D-line are out.

We may be able to run the ball.


GravatarIt's better to masturbate than to launch an immoral and illegal war based on lies.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


Frankly, you can do both, but don't get KY all over The Button.


GravatarAlmost listened to them in the AM, chose a live gig of The Cult instead, but there's more to anticipate...
Mr.Murder


They put on a really good show. Ms. Napolitano would take a wide stance while thumping that bass of hers, and rocking the house with her vocals.


Gravatarit's not that, it's that i have to restrain myself from insulting people. i'm working so hard on being "civil," because i want to impress my dying grandmother, or something.*

Insults don't get you anywhere around here unless you're insulting a troll or NTodd (and the latter is unpredictable, like most women).

[sits back in chair and puffs on pipe]


GravatarVicki is watching a John Denver special.

Her computer can't boot up either.


Gravatarthere is no pain the the ass weighdown thing set aside for the weak little girls, etc.

Pain the ass weighdowns reduce the ass bouncing significantly.


GravatarYeah, my house is a '70's ranch. It's still got the ivory satin stripe wallpaper the previous owners put in the hallway. And very pale apricot vertical blinds on the picture window and sliding glass door, because replacing them costs more than I'm willing to spend.


GravatarPatriots need to be wary of the Steelers this weekend ... oops ... Patriots need to be real wary of jungle rot, asteroid collisions and extreme solar flares this weekend.


GravatarListening to Rush made my penis 12 inches wider.

That's what happens, I guess, when you smash your radio to pieces with your cock.


Gravatar*Gomez getting Black and Gold face paint ready*


GravatarFrankly, you can do both, but don't get KY all over The Button.

[suffering cognitive interference]


Gravatardip into Uber Catholicism) was a sort of relaxed conversational roundtable discussing the role of myth and religion in society with random uninterested folks every week

grad school, the marine corps, the blogosphere, the runway...what's the difference? the sad thing is, Then You Get Old.


GravatarIf you douse the button with lube maybe then nobody can push it.


GravatarInsults don't get you anywhere around here unless you're insulting a troll or NTodd (and the latter is unpredictable, like most women).

[sobs, bakes cookies, fakes orgasm]


GravatarThe trim is Down white, BTW.

this one line proves the negative value of reading comments backwards. context is more than just the popcorn, eesh.


GravatarYeah, my house is a '70's ranch. It's still got the ivory satin stripe wallpaper the previous owners put in the hallway. And very pale apricot vertical blinds on the picture window and sliding glass door, because replacing them costs more than I'm willing to spend.
Karin


The last set of renos before us was done in the 70's. The house itslef is from somewhare around 1900.

Avacado appliances, and.. how to describe the linoleum... "overwrought"... yes, that's it.

The kitchen was basically torn apart and rebuilt 3 years ago.


GravatarHey, Jin from Lost just spoke a line in Spiderman 2. Oops, I think he just got killed by Alfred Molina


GravatarIf you douse the button with lube maybe then nobody can push it.

I keep trying that with watertiger, but she keeps kicking my ass.


GravatarJust went to IE 7.0.

(so behind the times)


GravatarI'm sorry, I know this was covered earlier, but why would anyone endorse McCain?


GravatarmY house is lined with asbestos siding. so don't try attacking it with a sawzall without appropriate breathing gear, which I will not provide. bastidds.


GravatarChad Johnson dropped a TD for my Fantasy Football team...

Palmer is the opposition's QB though.

Duality. (:


GravatarRemember when that was a serious question, 'Would you want this man to have his finger on the button?"

Vs. "Would you want to have a beer with this man?"

Think on that. In an emergency we have Cheney and Bush, in a situation where they are so afraid of terrorists they might decide to "push the button"
(And yes, I'm thinking of the 24 scenerios that came out last season.")


GravatarAlfred Molina cannot top his rookie role in Raiders. Well, his part in Species is a close second.


GravatarI'm sorry, I know this was covered earlier, but why would anyone endorse McCain?

They were tortured?


GravatarJust went to IE 7.0.

My condolences.


Gravatarrule of law for thee, but not me:

WASHINGTON, Dec. 13 (UPI) -- U.S. Senate Democrats should know issuing contempt citations and pursuing a criminal case in the firings of U.S. attorneys is futile, the White House said.

Dana Perino, White House press secretary, said Thursday the Senate Judiciary Committee's issuing contempt citations against former White House adviser Karl Rove and White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten is pointless because "the constitutional prerogative of the president would make it a futile effort for Congress to refer contempt citations to U.S. attorneys."

The committee issued citations because Bolten did not provide information or documents in the firing of nine U.S. attorneys. Rove, who resigned as deputy chief of staff in August, was cited because he did not appear before the committee to testify. The White House said Rove was immune because of executive privilege.


and just think- most of them will walk away from this rich, too.


GravatarmY house is lined with asbestos siding. so don't try attacking it with a sawzall without appropriate breathing gear, which I will not provide. bastidds.
Doug Watts


We found asbestos during the reno, among other scary things.

All I have to say is "Thank the Great Whatever that they used to use 5x8s for joists".


GravatarBoston's paper is trying to capture the three-percenter market sector?


GravatarWas ever a better premise fumbled more stupidly than Species?


Gravatarbut why would anyone endorse McCain?
--
my relatives, all in their 60s. i'll be seeing them all at christmas eve in North Easton, Mass. they'll be telling me how they will never vote for a democrat, evah, no mattah what.


GravatarThrow me the idol


GravatarDana Perino, White House press secretary, said Thursday the Senate Judiciary Committee's issuing contempt citations against former White House adviser Karl Rove and White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten is pointless because "the constitutional prerogative of the president would make it a futile effort for Congress to refer contempt citations to U.S. attorneys."

She is as much a Constitutional scholar as she is a student of history.


GravatarWas ever a better premise fumbled more stupidly than Species?

But the Nudity!?


GravatarA friend of mine got arsenic poisoning from renoing her house.


GravatarThe kitchen was basically torn apart and rebuilt 3 years ago.
JR, kerosene and a match


You lucky bastard.

It is my hope to do some tearing and rebuilding in the spring, but we'll see what happens...

And Karin: I have great shades in the living room, but they're a shade of pinky/purple that I would never choose. For cost reasons, they're nearly last on the list of things to change...


GravatarWhat was it that Perino didn't know recently?


GravatarThrow me the idol

Throw me the whip!

Uh, that wasn't my idol...


GravatarI have a way to impeach Bush!


GravatarFor cost reasons, they're nearly last on the list of things to change...
whiskey girl


If they are fabric you might be ale to dye them.


GravatarWhat was it that Perino didn't know recently?

What the Cuban Missile Crisis was, and that it was different than Bay of Pigs.

Complete. Fucking. Idiot.


GravatarWas ever a better premise fumbled more stupidly than Species?

Manimal?


GravatarHey, Jin from Lost just spoke a line in Spiderman 2. Oops, I think he just got killed by Alfred Molina
WalterNeff, author


...and then a polar bear showed up to escort Agent Cooper to meet The Others in the Black Lodge.

Wait...did I put my DVDs in the wrong cases?


GravatarCheney shpuld be censured.

As President of the Senate he cannot claim Privlege to another Department.


GravatarAlfred Molina cannot top his rookie role in Raiders...

Boogie Nights, dude. Everybody Sing!: "Jessie is a friennnddd...."


Gravatar...another Branch...


GravatarWas ever a better premise fumbled more stupidly than Species?

So I suppose you didn't appreciate Species II.


GravatarNudity is meaningless. In fact it would be worth getting into cinema to demonstrate that you can make a far sexier movie out of good acting in clothing using a "poisoner girl" or "teeth in the wrong places" story that is better than the boring, David Attenborough school of just showing what sex visually looks like. Or:
Karloff! Who was Karloff? Never mention that man's name. Any idiot can be Frankenstein, it's a matter of makeup, it's a costume. But Dracula is in the eyes, and the voice, and the hand.


Gravatarhe was fucking scary in BN


GravatarYou lucky bastard.

It was a necessity. After 70 years there was no insulation left in the walls.

The tradition back then was to build the kitchen on the back of the house, for fire safety reasons. So while the rest of the house is double brick the kitchen is frame.


GravatarIf they are fabric you might be able to dye them.
JR, kerosene and a match


Ooh. I never thought of that. Worth looking into...


Gravatarmy revenge on my wingnut massachusetts relatives is they all know that I am a commie but they are afraid to say anything. so i grab their beers and snack foods with impunity.


GravatarHuizenga 'not actively looking to sell' winless Dolphins...


GravatarOkay, this is an open forum at this point, correct. What can Democrats do to make a point that we are unhappy with the leadership of this party.

Would just completely stop giving any money whatsoever to any representative of the party for a period of thirty days do it? Or taking this money and giving it to some alternative entity that will dole it out to ONLY those candidates who have shown that they represent the correct positions?

Or am I just hopelessly naive?


GravatarAlfred Molina cannot top his rookie role in Raiders...

Boogie Nights, dude. Everybody Sing!: "Jessie is a friennnddd...."


An excellent, cocaine-fueled character, but nothing beats his finger wiggling when Indy is dealing with the idol...


GravatarCan I just say, I am not digging Miss March. I'm beginning to have my doubts about this calendar.


GravatarBoris Karloff was brilliant as the narrator of the Grinch.

"and the Grinch he himself carved the roast beast"

Maybe we should do a remake with Bela Lugosi narrator.


GravatarDana Perino, White House press secretary, said Thursday the Senate Judiciary Committee's issuing contempt citations against former White House adviser Karl Rove and White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten is pointless because "the constitutional prerogative of the president would make it a futile effort for Congress to refer contempt citations to U.S. attorneys."

She is as much a Constitutional scholar as she is a student of history.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana


Wait... are we down to weapons of mass destruction program related activities yet?


GravatarWith clothing you can use color and texture to impute personality, gravitas, history, menace, intensity, and so on, and you also retain the threat of nudity. With nudity it's like okay this is it.


Gravatarsomeone got arsenic poisoning from refinancing their house ?


GravatarThe tradition back then was to build the kitchen on the back of the house, for fire safety reasons. So while the rest of the house is double brick the kitchen is frame.
JR, kerosene and a match |


My house is old, too. Under the small main house is a warped stone foundation. Under the kitchen and bath addition is dirt crawl space...


GravatarI think I agree with k&y - I never found Karloff sexy.


GravatarKarloff does not deserve to smell my shit!


Gravatarsomeone got arsenic poisoning from refinancing their house ?
Doug Watts


"renoing". Short for "renovating".

100 year old plaster had some interesting ingredients.


GravatarWas ever a better premise fumbled more stupidly than Species?
kei & yuri

Yes, Arachnaphobia started out wonderfully. They had a great setting and great story and ended up with a mess.


Gravatarsomeone got arsenic poisoning from refinancing their house ?
Doug Watts |


Funny, my bank gives out pastries (though I'd prefer a lower interest rate...)


GravatarAre you guys breaking down walls in your old homes to find money?


Gravatarsomeone got arsenic poisoning from refinancing their house ?

While listening to old paper lace.


GravatarWhat was it that Perino didn't know recently?

Cuban Missile crisis


GravatarKarloff does not deserve to smell my shit!

That's a Burton film I really enjoyed and wish I owned. Too bad I'm trying to cut down on my own shit...


Gravatar100 year old plaster had some interesting ingredients.
JR, kerosene and a match

asbestos?


GravatarWorking on a gravatar


GravatarEvening batses.

Has anyone acted to save the Republic yet?


GravatarRecall the scene in 'The Big Sleep' when the pretty bookstore lady closed the store. Not much happened. Sexier than the vast majority of nude, sweating stuff. Not to mention Joan Greenwood eating fruit in 'Tom Jones'...


GravatarJeffCo fell into the harbor and when he woke up he only remembered two words.
"Coronet Blue"


GravatarThe greatest Alfred Molina character ever was the guy with the hammer in Prick Up Your Ears, end of discussion. Gary Oldman is fucking lil Moroccan boys in the Maghreb as is the purview of British toffs going back to Nelson, he opens a closet, and Molina is discussing his aunt with his intended victim. Some people can't just dive into North African boys.


Gravatar "the constitutional prerogative of the president would make it a
futile effort for Congress to refer contempt citations to U.S.
attorneys."


"In fact, it is the President's constitutional prerogative that no one ever be allowed to wear French cuffs in the United States on Thursdays."

/Dana Perino


Gravatar"and the Grinch he himself carved the roast beast"

Maybe we should do a remake with Bela Lugosi narrator.
M31


"Ahnd dee Greench he heemself carfed de roost beest!"


Gravatarasbestos?
ellroon


Arsenic.

Keeps plaster white.


GravatarDon't wait. Rates could change at any time. -- what the radio just told me.

That's kind of hard to refute.


GravatarHas anyone acted to save the Republic yet?
David (Austin Tx)

Nobody has offered to do this to save our nation.

They'd need to shave their heads too...


GravatarArachnophobia? Arachnophobia? That was about spiders! What are you, high?


Gravatarvery observant sheets


GravatarAre you guys breaking down walls in your old homes to find money?
ellroon


No money yet.

Three mouse skeletons, asbestos, circa 1900 vent covers (kept them), missing joists, crimped water pipes, and a beer bottle.