No, wait! I'll be there.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 1:02 pm | #
i got change for a dollar.
lloydCARROLL |
01.12.08 - 1:02 pm | #
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
The Kenosha Kid |
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01.12.08 - 1:02 pm | #
square is hip this year.
lloydCARROLL |
01.12.08 - 1:03 pm | #
I'll be there. Reason enough for everyone to come by.
Sir Oolius |
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01.12.08 - 1:03 pm | #
So, to recap.. Edwards is still persona non grata for Dems and the media, so we are forced once again to suckle the teats of our corporate masters and pretend that the pablum they foist on us equals real significant change? Have I missed anything?
Bat Guano |
01.12.08 - 1:03 pm | #
I'm not coming because it's being held at an anti-union, nonsmoking hotel.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 1:04 pm | #
Last night I watched Death Race 2000 on TCM and damn did it look beautiful in that fully restored state. It's a perfect movie in all respects. Pure entertainment, right up there with the best of Russ Meyer (i.e., Vixen).
Now I learn that some brainless Hollywood tard is remaking the movie. What is the matter with these people?
Stunt Woman |
01.12.08 - 1:04 pm | #
Now I learn that some brainless Hollywood tard is remaking the movie. What is the matter with these people?
In a world...where there are only 17 ideas, the rest is just...packaging.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 1:06 pm | #
I'm not coming because it's being held at an anti-union, nonsmoking hotel.
Uncle NTodd
Uncle Smokes has located a smoking hotel nearby.
Ruth |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:06 pm | #
Uncle Smokes has located a smoking hotel nearby.
I know. I'm just being snotty. Which is even easier than usual for me right now.
Uncle NTodd |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:07 pm | #
Let's look at the tears before they harden like resin into cliché. Quickly. She was taking questions in a diner, a woman asked how she does it each day, she started talking about how hard it is, and she got misty-eyed, her voice soft for once--conversational, not hectoring.
Keep it clean, you fucking pig.
Lime Rickey |
01.12.08 - 1:08 pm | #
On stupid discourse, WaPo has an editorial today recommending Congress spend its time investigating past crimes of the occupied WH rather than destruction of the tapes. My comment is that this is the same editorial bd that criticised congress for spending valuable time ... investigating WH crimes. at http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...4_Comments.html
Ruth |
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01.12.08 - 1:09 pm | #
I'm not coming because it's being held at an anti-union, nonsmoking hotel.
I'm not coming because it's not in San Francisco!
More specifically, because it's not being held within three blocks of where I live and no one offered to fix me breakfast each day, either.
I'll be there even though my back up at work is a total beeyotch.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.12.08 - 1:09 pm | #
I guess I will be square but I wish I could be there.
Troll 102 should be easy to spot, he will be in the center of the room nattering useless statistics.
George Johnston |
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01.12.08 - 1:09 pm | #
She was taking questions in a diner, a woman asked how she does it each day, she started talking about how hard it is, and she got misty-eyed, her voice soft for once--conversational, not hectoring.
I'm cubicle. Will that be ok?
alien from up above
What? Your space ship has cubicles?
George Johnston |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:14 pm | #
It seems my entire life I've witnessed things go from bad to worse, as far as politics is concerned. I remember the hype of so many elections past, when it seemed like we were finally going to see some substantive progressive changes. In retrospect, it all seemed painfully naive as we continued on our inexorable downward slide.
As things have played out the past few days, I'm struggling to see how it's going to be any different this time around.
Bat Guano |
01.12.08 - 1:14 pm | #
I'll be extremely round, but I'll be there.
And on an unrelated note,
ACK! Paranoia alert, paranoia alert!
How the fuck did facebook connect me with HBK, NTodd, Zap, trifecta, Atrios, and Sinfonian?
ACK!!!!
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:14 pm | #
Registration will start when I get one more number nailed down on Monday.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 1:14 pm | #
Yes, it's in a non-smoking hotel.
But it's in an area well-known for the ready availability of nicotine hookers.
For as little as ten bucks a pop, they'll take a huge drag right outside the hotel (or in a utility closet if they're working with an insider), then meet you at the door of your room or anywhere else accessible to the public, and exhale a lungful of fresh cigarette smoke directly into your own pulmonary passages.
The flashier ones give a choice of tobacco products, with prices to match. Some offer group rates, i.e. multiple tandem service or "chains"; others offer package rates-- a lot of them are former pearl divers, one way or the other.
Shouldn't be any problem affordably keeping your smokin' swerve on.
Visitor Online |
01.12.08 - 1:15 pm | #
(Repeat link to video of Marcellina singing from yesterday. Dig the jumpsuit and heels)
Er, is that really *our* Marcellinna?
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:15 pm | #
No, it's not.
I WISH, though. She's cute. I have no idea what language that is.
Marcellina |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:16 pm | #
Er, is that really *our* Marcellinna?
Moe Szyslak
She said it wasn't.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:16 pm | #
Maybe we could set up a telepresence so that us left coasters can virtually be there.
George Johnston |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:17 pm | #
Anyway, book your transportation and hotel. Registration will be under $100, in any case, including many fabulous parties.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:17 pm | #
Bat, I've often felt the same way. The late sixties seemed to be the high water mark of organized dissent. The progress we have made since is being chipped away bit by bit.
Shemp |
01.12.08 - 1:17 pm | #
Peggy and Chris and Russ
and their heroes
Ron, and Tip, and Big Russ
Nobody will ever measure up to daddy.
rootless-e |
01.12.08 - 1:17 pm | #
No, it's not.
It was kinda believable.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:18 pm | #
No one is allaying my paranoia.
[jumps up and down]
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:18 pm | #
Things will commence Friday evening (registration at 4 or 5, drinks at 7), go all day Saturday, and end after a nice brunch on Sunday, say 1 or 2 in the afternoon.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:18 pm | #
V4V,
Once you make a friend, it gives you all your mutual friends, that's all.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:18 pm | #
Well, now that I heard that Sinfonian got shot down, I guess out of moral solidarity I'm not allowed to try to get lucky at EschaCon.
[jumps up and down]
V for Virginia, free at last!
Think six degrees of separation except only two. My guess is they have friend of a friend software running.
George Johnston |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:19 pm | #
So if you say, "how do I know Joe Schmoe?" and Joe Schmoe knows NTodd and Duncan and me, you can guess at least that he's an Atriot. Does that make sense?
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 1:19 pm | #
I guess out of moral solidarity I'm not allowed to try to get lucky at EschaCon.
Once you make a friend, it gives you all your mutual friends, that's all.
Molly Ivors
Oh. That makes sense.
Never mind.
(Although I had made some friend overtures but none had confirmed, so that's a little squirrely on their end.)
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:20 pm | #
I think I'm travelled out for this year, but if Mrs. Moe is going down to Philly anyway... won't know for a few weeks yet.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:20 pm | #
I think the video Marcellina is Czech. Stumbled across it while googling for our Marcellina's blog.
Gromit |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:20 pm | #
I can't do live feeds: as NTodd. Someone also offered to set us up on Second Life, but I don't know how that works.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:20 pm | #
I just want to say that this little virtual conversation that is eschaton, is a very bright spot in my day. Thank you all and hope you have a grand and humor filled con.
alien from up above |
01.12.08 - 1:21 pm | #
Well, now that I heard that Sinfonian got shot down, I guess out of moral solidarity I'm not allowed to try to get lucky at EschaCon.
Bummer...
steve simels
My take is that you have a moral obligation to get shot down at EschaCon
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:21 pm | #
No one is allaying my paranoia.
[jumps up and down]
V for Virginia, free at last! | 01.12.08 - 1:18 pm | #
Privacy. Get over it.
- former CEO of Sun Computers
rootless-e |
01.12.08 - 1:21 pm | #
Shemp, What blows my mind is that during this same period we saw the rise of potentially the biggest threat to the status quo ever - the internet. And yet, what do we do with it? Download porn and music, mainly.
I think we like to point fingers and blame politicians for not living up to our expectations and delivering the goods. But in reality, we should probably be taking a hard look at ourselves.
Bat Guano |
01.12.08 - 1:22 pm | #
I guess instead of a webcast we could dress up three mannequins. One with a moustache of understanding, another with a giant pumpkinhead and one wearing a gray turtleneck. We could make it interactive by throwing darts at the moustache and the pumpkinhead.
George Johnston |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:24 pm | #
Five years later. Imagine my rage. Just imagine it. That's all I ask.
Daddy-O | 01.12.08 - 1:22 pm | #
Unreal. Is there a member of the Bush administration that doesn't deserve to burn in hell?
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:25 pm | #
since last year's Eschacon fell through, isn't this officially Eschacon II? Or is there a date on the shirts?
V and I are now official friends, so you can find each other thru me...
Marcellina |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:25 pm | #
We'll figure it out, dave. I'm more worried now about getting registration open.
And feel free to donate to the Travel Fund as well....
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:25 pm | #
I just joined Netflix. Please tell me no one actually queues McGyver.
qlª |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:25 pm | #
V4VA, I'm limiting my computer time until I can feel the ends of my fingers again, but thks.
Ruth |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:26 pm | #
I thought the "nicotine hooker" improv came together pretty well.
Maybe it's more of a night show bit.
No reason to rescind the resignation from my day job though, eh?
Visitor Online |
01.12.08 - 1:26 pm | #
Patty and Selma love McGyver.
trifecta |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:26 pm | #
I just joined Netflix. Please tell me no one actually queues McGyver.
qlª
They do but they only use a string and a stick of gum.
George Johnston |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:27 pm | #
In remarks to the traveling press, delivered from the Third Army operation command center here, Bush said that negotiations were about to begin on a long-term strategic partnership with the Iraqi government modeled on the accords the United States has with Kuwait and many other countries. Crocker, who flew in from Baghdad with Petraeus to meet with the president, elaborated: "We're putting our team together now, making preparations in Washington," he told reporters. "The Iraqis are doing the same. And in the few weeks ahead, we would expect to get together to start this negotiating process." The target date for concluding the agreement is July, says Gen. Doug Lute, Bush's Iraq coordinator in the White House--in other words, just in time for the Democratic and Republican national conventions.
Most significant of all, the new partnership deal with Iraq, including a status of forces agreement that would then replace the existing Security Council mandate authorizing the presence of the U.S.-led multinational forces in Iraq, will become a sworn obligation for the next president. It will become just another piece of the complex global security framework involving a hundred or so countries with which Washington now has bilateral defense or security cooperation agreements.
when HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of american soldiers keep dying every year, regardless of how you whitewash the diplomatic hoo-ah, americans will grow MORE and MORE against the treaty
mogwai |
01.12.08 - 1:27 pm | #
Iz in facebook. Can I haz scrabble too?
stephicath at helms dot tzo dot net
sidhra صي ذ& |
01.12.08 - 1:27 pm | #
If you're coming to Eschacon, please feel free to off yourself in the lobby of the hotel.
You know -- just to get the festivities off with a bang....
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:27 pm | #
I think that SteveLG and I are gonna be bunking together in Philly.
Party in our room, ala The Office!!
Zap Rowsdower |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:28 pm | #
so what's the total expense going to be? for smokers, 135/night for two nights plus 100$ in registration fees? plus travel? and of course cash for food and drink. that comes to about 700$ all told. don't know if i can swing that. i'll try.
chicago dyke, foily |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:28 pm | #
Awwww, HBK sent me good karma, how sweet!
Molly -- I'll look.
Marcellina -- I'll reply but that's a fake name on gmail
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:28 pm | #
With your penny a page freelance rates, Butler, there's no way you can afford the freight.
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:28 pm | #
V4V,
Look me up! I'm on there now.
Zap Rowsdower |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:29 pm | #
Party in our room, ala The Office!!
Do you have a strobe light?
And which of you is Dwight?
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:29 pm | #
V, when I saw the other info I accepted immediately.
Just being cautious, cos there are evil people out there...
Marcellina |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:29 pm | #
How do you pronounce "eschacon"?
LI-er |
01.12.08 - 1:29 pm | #
I just joined Netflix. Please tell me no one actually queues McGyver.
qlª
welcome to the Light, sister! now, cancel your cable subscription and tell them why (because the bobbleheads suck so hard and ignored edwards could be a reason).
you'll never look back, i promise.
chicago dyke, foily |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:30 pm | #
Anybody who wants can friend me on facebook. I am the one with the funny Norwegian name.
trifecta |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:30 pm | #
HUCKABEE: Well, I think Fred needs some Metamucil. I think it would help a lot if he gets some. You know, he was in a bad mood last night.
You're right, Huck. If Fred wins, the GOP will be known as the Great-Granddaddy Party.
Lime Rickey |
01.12.08 - 1:30 pm | #
sidhra send e-mail @ gmail and I'll add you.
If I haven't already.
HoneyBearKelly |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:30 pm | #
don't know if i can swing that. i'll try.
chicago dyke, foily | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 1:28 pm | #
If you need motivation, remember that I owe you at least one adult beverage.
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:30 pm | #
Vicki worked hard on securing the hotel. Hopefully there will be at least 35 room nights at the official, non-smoking hotel because she had to sign a guarantee on her personal credit card. She tried very very hard to get a union hotel, but they failed to answer her queries.
ErinPDX |
01.12.08 - 1:30 pm | #
steve, if you didn't repost the fucking idiot, I wouldn't read it.
Moe Szyslak |
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01.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #
cd,
We're trying to let people do it in small steps: personally, I'd recommend arranging registration, then travel, then room.
And we do really need to book a certain number of nights at the Marriott or we're going to have to give them thousands upon thousands of dollars we don't have, so please keep that in mind. We really didn't even think about the smoking thing, sorry.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #
Party in our room, ala The Office!!
Zap Rowsdower
Sallyh, sittingpretty & Athenae gave a whopping good party last time. Lemon drops and home made wine was involved.
BTW - I started Athenae's new book and it hooked me from page 1. Wasn't autographed though.
qlª |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #
Do you have a strobe light?
I'll just keep turning my iPod Touch on and off. There's bound to be some paper salespeople in Philly.
And which of you is Dwight?
Hmmm...undecided. Though I do have a large collection of armoirs that I inherited from my grandparents...
Zap Rowsdower |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #
Steve baby, I'll be there.
mi/mi |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #
Sorry guys. In re-reading my comments I see how I'm being a bit of a wet blanket right now. I'm gonna go find something to do and maybe check back in again later on.
Bat Guano |
01.12.08 - 1:31 pm | #
If you need motivation, remember that I owe you at least one adult beverage.
steve simels
i still think it would be fun for you and i to have a drinking contest. ntodd could join us. it'd be fun to see you two passed out with the lapshades on your heads while i pocket the money bet on us and go dancing with it.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 1:32 pm | #
We really didn't even think about the smoking thing, sorry.
Molly Ivors
i was thinking more of the expense (the smoking place is cheaper) but if that's what's on the line, feh. i can go outside.
i think i'll have to hit up one of my sugar momma ex girlfriends to swing this, but she called me the other day and sounded lonely...
chicago dyke, foily |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:33 pm | #
Has the registration process been set up?
Zap Rowsdower |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:34 pm | #
Eska-con? Really?
All this time I thought this site was pronounced Esha-ton.
Marcellina |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:34 pm | #
of course, the other sucky thing about no smoking is there won't be any smoking of...the other kind. ;-(
chicago dyke, foily |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:34 pm | #
The firefighting system in the massive $736 million embassy complex in Baghdad has potential safety problems that top U.S. officials dismissed in their rush to declare construction largely completed by the end of last year, according to internal State Department documents, e-mails and interviews.
Some officials assert that in the push to complete the long-delayed project, potentially life-threatening problems have been left untouched. "This is serious enough to get someone killed," said a State Department official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared retaliation. "The fire systems are the tip of the iceberg. That is the most visible. But no one has ever inspected the electrical system, the power plant" and other parts of the embassy complex, which will house more than 1,000 people and is vulnerable to mortar attacks.
Richard |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:35 pm | #
of course, the other sucky thing about no smoking is there won't be any smoking of...the other kind. ;-(
We can probably work something out.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:36 pm | #
Will you come if JE does?
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:36 pm | #
Sorry guys. In re-reading my comments I see how I'm being a bit of a wet blanket right now. I'm gonna go find something to do and maybe check back in again later on.
Bat Guano
Looks like I got here just in time to take up the slack....
Rmj, New Angst 4 New Year |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:37 pm | #
of course, the other sucky thing about no smoking is there won't be any smoking of...the other kind. ;-(
chicago dyke, foily
never stopped me in the past...
ErinPDX |
01.12.08 - 1:37 pm | #
Can't you, er, make some brownies?
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:37 pm | #
"I'm not coming because it's being held at an anti-union, nonsmoking hotel."
i demand formaldehyde-free carpet AND a signer there as i have an earache and am hearing challenged at the moment.
i will make the rest of my demands known shortly..
jdw |
01.12.08 - 1:37 pm | #
All this time I thought this site was pronounced Esha-ton.
The spelling suggests a Greek derivation, so a hard C.
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:37 pm | #
Moe, you're coming via bus, correct? Because that's the least carbon-intensive mode, and surely you wouldn't fly, since we all have to stop flying, right?
Or is it a case of "for thee and not for me"?
Econ 102, Owner of Moe |
01.12.08 - 1:37 pm | #
it'd be fun to see you two passed out with the lapshades on your heads while i pocket the money bet on us and go dancing with it.
chicago dyke, foily | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 1:32 pm | #
I can't speak for the pantsless one, but you're on. I should warn you, though -- I've put multiple sailors under the table.
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:38 pm | #
Will you come if JE does?
Molly Ivors
Well fuck yes! He actually got some respect on Bill Moyers' last night. It made me feel something less than homicidal for a few hours.
lipreader, Edwards supporter. |
01.12.08 - 1:38 pm | #
I'm thinking about coming to 08, but I don't know if I can tolerate the 15 minute car ride from my house to the hotel.
Toucari |
01.12.08 - 1:38 pm | #
I like Chewbacca! He's cute too!
mi/mi |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:46 pm | #
http://www.newsweek.com/id/91651
I do not understand this. How in hell is one president obligated by a previous's president's actions? Why can we not just walk away from this?
Most significant of all, the new partnership deal with Iraq, including a status of forces agreement that would then replace the existing Security Council mandate authorizing the presence of the U.S.-led multinational forces in Iraq, will become a sworn obligation for the next president. It will become just another piece of the complex global security framework involving a hundred or so countries with which Washington now has bilateral defense or security cooperation agreements. Last month, Sen. Hillary Clinton urged Bush not to commit to any such agreement without congressional approval. The president said nothing about that on Saturday, but Lute said last fall that the Iraqi agreement would not likely rise to the level of a formal treaty requiring Senate ratification. Even so, it would be difficult if not impossible for future presidents to unilaterally breach such a pact.
LI-er |
01.12.08 - 1:46 pm | #
Wasn't Angela Davis once married to Eldridge Cleaver or is my memory of the sixties slipping again?
Rudy |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:46 pm | #
I picture mimi as the Jennifer Coolidge character in A Mighty Wind and Econ 102 as Professor Fripp.
Molly Ivors
Now if you can pick characters from 19th century literature, or the Medieval period, I might catch the reference....
Rmj, New Angst 4 New Year |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:46 pm | #
the rest of my demands:
free subscriptions to the nation, utne reader and hightower.
exploitation free-coffee.
free range salmon, beef, chicken and brussels sprouts.
a 'no leather and fur' policy, strictly enforced, inclduding belts and shoes.
the presence of minorities in percentages reflecting the genaral population.
a special presentation on mumia and biofuels.
a statement of support for the transgendered.
that is all, for now.
jdw |
01.12.08 - 1:46 pm | #
they slightly change their monikers so they're not killfiled.
Well, looks like BushCo is trying to get the US entangled in Iraq for the foreseeable future. BushCo is THE Wanker--Hirsch is reporting it with glee however.
Retired Army Major General said on NPR on Friday that the US will have a mil prsence inside Iraq for years, the next decade or more--until the US builds up the Iraqi military, not just to the point of protecting its own borders, but to be the countervailing military presence in the regions against the Iranians.
Didn't we see this movie in the 80's? With massive death tolls?
And didn't the US try to get Iran to be its surrogate military presence beginning in the 50's? And that went so well....
Help! And where do all our Dems stand on this stuff?
jawbone |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:47 pm | #
Uncle Smokes has located a smoking hotel nearby.
Hom Hrohah |
01.12.08 - 1:47 pm | #
You never want to vote for someone you don't like in a primary as a form of political jamming. The guilt is just too much to take if that same candidate wins the main election by just a few votes.
Trust me on this one Mr. Markos.
Troutski |
01.12.08 - 1:47 pm | #
Molly, you know what I look like. Todd showed you my pic the second I sent it to him with the promise that he wouldn't show it to anyone.
mi/mi |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:47 pm | #
A lot more clever than namestealing someone, getting caught red-handed, then acting like you didn't do it.
Except I've never name-stolen anyone, ever. And I certainly have never been "caught red-handed" on it, cuz I've never done it.
Even so, it would be difficult if not impossible for future presidents to unilaterally breach such a pact.
LI-er | 01.12.08 - 1:46 pm | #
This only applies if it's a Democratic president and a republican President's obligations.
rootless-e |
01.12.08 - 1:48 pm | #
that is all, for now.
jdw
I think that's all in the registration package.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:48 pm | #
BTW, I'm not moving to a smoking hotel unless the room guarantee is very comfortably covered.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:49 pm | #
Of course, who says the present Iraqi government represents what Iraqis actually want in a government or in terms of deals with the US?
We'll probably have to stay within Iraq to prop it up....
What do our Dem candidates say about this? Edwards says out. Heard Hill say out. Obama, out, right?
But, what does "out" mean????
jawbone |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:49 pm | #
disingenuous is a word that comes to mind about NYMary.
mi/mi |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:50 pm | #
what you and your sailing friends do under a table is your own business.
Except for the webcam.
jdw, don't you need vegan pastries with your cruelty-free coffee?
Molly Ivors |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:50 pm | #
Has anyone noticed that Econ seems a little stranger and more excitable than usual right now? Like he's a psych project, and person 2 is posting.
Marcellina |
Homepage |
01.12.08 - 1:51 pm | #
Vicki worked hard on securing the hotel. Hopefully there will be at least 35 room nights at the official, non-smoking hotel because she had to sign a guarantee on her personal credit card. She tried very very hard to get a union hotel, but they failed to answer her queries.
ErinPDX
So if we encourage people to go to the smoking hotel we are really sticking it to Vicki, who doesn't deserve it.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 1:51 pm | #
Uncle Smokes has located a smoking hotel nearby.
Hom Hrohah
yes, but if the official hotel isn't used enough, the organizers are out to the tune of thousands. so let's make sure that one is full up before we do the overflow.
troutski- which is exactly why i'm voting for ron paul, and not following lord kos' advice.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 1:52 pm | #
So if we encourage people to go to the smoking hotel we are really sticking it to Vicki, who doesn't deserve it
Yep. We're trying to make that clear to people.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 1:52 pm | #
Has anyone noticed that Econ seems a little stranger and more excitable than usual right now? Like he's a psych project, and person 2 is posting.
Marcellina
"Except I've never name-stolen anyone, ever. And I certainly have never been "caught red-handed" on it, cuz I've never done it. "
Your lies aren't very up-scale, Moe.
Many of Demara's unsuspecting employers, under other circumstances, would have been satisfied with Demara as an employee. He was apparently able to memorize necessary techniques from textbooks and worked on two cardinal rules: The burden of proof is on the accuser and When in danger, attack.
Econ 102, Owner of a Liar |
01.12.08 - 1:52 pm | #
lipreader, don't tell Marcellina to change her underwear. It's rude!
mi/mi |
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01.12.08 - 1:53 pm | #
Fresh underwear.
lipreader, Edwards supporter.
It's Saturday.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:53 pm | #
cokes to those deserving.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 1:53 pm | #
I bet Mimi looks like Kathy Bates.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 1:53 pm | #
BTW, I'm not moving to a smoking hotel unless the room guarantee is very comfortably covered.
V for Virginia
Yup, I'm waiting too. It's hard for me to justify though because I could actually just drive. But then there would have to be a designated driver and all that stuff.
qlª |
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01.12.08 - 1:54 pm | #
Assuming the pic NTodd showed me was the real deal, she's not bad-looking, Gomez. Of course, you'd have to deal with the personality.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 1:55 pm | #
Can you imagine making an intercontinental trip for the express purpose of visiting with a bunch of people WHO DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOU?
Borderline.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 1:55 pm | #
"jdw, don't you need vegan pastries with your cruelty-free coffee?"
yes, and they must be made without rendered animal fat and special milk due my lactose intolerence, and be organic. and not the faux 'organic' shit, but the real organic stuff. don't even think of slipping a pesticide or horomone past me or i'll break out.
and while we're at it, i want the pastries to be served on biodegradible, sustainable, recyclable eco-friendly hemp plates. and no plastic skewers for the shrimp, either, only bamboo from non-dictatorships will be considered.
jdw |
01.12.08 - 1:55 pm | #
Um, I booked a room at the host hotel but I did not use the Eschacon code.
Did they charge you more? Can you adjust your registration?
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 1:56 pm | #
And quoting Sun Tzu, I Ching, and Zippy the Pinhead, whilst worrying that he'll miss Wheel of Fortune.
Four o'clock...time for Wapner!
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 1:56 pm | #
Mediamatters.org has started a Fire Tweety campaign (though it doesn't phrase it quite that way). Take part--you'll feel good about yourself.
zontar |
01.12.08 - 1:57 pm | #
Borderline.
Actually, well south of the border.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 1:57 pm | #
Assuming the pic NTodd showed me was the real deal, she's not bad-looking, Gomez. Of course, you'd have to deal with the personality.
Molly Ivors
Engineer/supermodels have always been known to be tempermental.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 1:57 pm | #
No more vampires for me, trifecta!
Marcellina |
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01.12.08 - 1:57 pm | #
Of course, you'd have to deal with the personalities.
Molly Ivors
I can't make it to the party, but Carmen and I will be visiting in Hazleton, PA from Apr. 1-7. If any of you Eschatoneans are passing by post-party let us know.
mike in pr |
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01.12.08 - 1:59 pm | #
only farm-raised, free range shrimp fed an organic diet of plankton.
jdw |
01.12.08 - 1:59 pm | #
I would like an orthodox fruititarian diet offered there.
Only fruit that fell off the tree naturally can be served.
If a bean fell off the stalk in the wind, that is ok too as long as you apologize to the mother plant first.
trifecta |
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01.12.08 - 1:59 pm | #
One does not try to get lucky. One gets lucky, or gets not lucky.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
"and while we're at it, i want the pastries to be served on biodegradible, sustainable, recyclable eco-friendly hemp plates. and no plastic skewers for the shrimp, either, only bamboo from non-dictatorships will be considered."
Ha.
Econ 102, Owner of a Liar |
01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
We guarantee cruelty-free cheese cubes.
Molly Ivors
"Cruelty-free" in that they'll be tofu.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
that better be SOY cheese, molly. from sustainably-milked beans.
kidlacan |
01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
I would enclurage the Michigan Atriots to either vote undecided or for DK.
Do not vote for Romney. Leave the Republicns alone. We're better than that.
Gomez
i refuse to vote for a candidate who isn't my choice, or give delegates to hillary when she is the eventual nom. nope. won't do it.
they banned me from even writing in my choice of candidate (you too, obamamamas). fuck that undemocratic noise. i crossed over in 2000 to try to stop bush by voting for mcstain, and i'll do the same this time in hopes that paul can throw a wrench in a brokered convention.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
i owe a soy-coke to virginia.
kidlacan |
01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
Oh, mike, I'm sorry! You can't push it back even one day?
And, uh, forgive me for asking, but you're vacationing in Hazleton? Is this a joke fr45om The Office?
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
I think decon 102 has "Ha, Hm, and It's the corporations man" as macros.
trifecta |
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01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
It is very important for everybody to recognize the good looks, brilliance and excellent people skillz of our Beneficent Trolls.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:01 pm | #
In remarks to the traveling press, delivered from the Third Army operation command center here, Bush said that negotiations were about to begin on a long-term strategic partnership with the Iraqi government modeled on the accords the United States has with Kuwait and many other countries. Crocker, who flew in from Baghdad with Petraeus to meet with the president, elaborated: "We're putting our team together now, making preparations in Washington," he told reporters. "The Iraqis are doing the same. And in the few weeks ahead, we would expect to get together to start this negotiating process." The target date for concluding the agreement is July, says Gen. Doug Lute, Bush's Iraq coordinator in the White House--in other words, just in time for the Democratic and Republican national conventions.
1Watt, Hermit |
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01.12.08 - 2:03 pm | #
"Cruelty-free" in that they'll be tofu.
That's pretty cruel. As bad as a real green dress.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:03 pm | #
Taliban raised heroin is out?
Can you get some from Venezuela?
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:03 pm | #
BS, Marcellina. And the men who swarm around me like flies don't either.
mi/mi | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 1:57 pm | #
Butler, I really don't want to know what kind of men swarm around a fat Aggie transvestite.
steve simels |
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01.12.08 - 2:03 pm | #
Taliban raised heroin is out?
No, that's totally cool because securing cheap heroin is why we invaded Afghanistan.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:04 pm | #
Engineer/supermodels have always been known to be tempermental.
For example, Heddy Lamar. Well, engineer/movie star, at least.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 2:04 pm | #
Well, I don't belong here, since I'm going to be square. I'll check in later when the subject is biofuels!
bbl
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
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01.12.08 - 2:04 pm | #
mi/mi and I will keep the rest of you fly-free.
Econ 102, bad liar |
01.12.08 - 2:04 pm | #
One does not try to get lucky. One gets lucky, or gets not lucky.
Uncle NTodd | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 2:00 pm | #
I'm not 100 percent sure that's true...
steve simels |
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01.12.08 - 2:04 pm | #
Can you get some from Venezuela?
Molly Ivors
Maybe, I know a place with shoes hanging from a power line...
lipreader, Edwards supporter. |
01.12.08 - 2:04 pm | #
No, that's totally cool because securing cheap heroin is why we invaded Afghanistan.
Likewise, the only officially approved motor fuel is refined from Kirkuk sweet crude.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 2:05 pm | #
i remember the last time escachon was going to happen, didn't toby and one other of the regular trolls promise to show, and then of course chickened out? i vaguely remember promises to kick ntodd or moe's ass...
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 2:05 pm | #
For example, Heddy Lamar. Well, engineer/movie star, at least.
I loved her song "At The Frequency Hop."
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:05 pm | #
My sister lives in Philadelphia. I'm trying to persuade her to turn up to hear the discussions.
And you all had better be nice to her if she does!
Marcellina |
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01.12.08 - 2:06 pm | #
Oh no he di'n't!
I told hubby I joined facebook and he was going to have to start taking my laptop to work or I wouldn't accomplish anything at all and he said,
OR YOU COULD GET A JOB.
Clear the decks, fellas, I'm about to be on the market again!
[sob!]
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:06 pm | #
Yeah, Toby said he would, and didn't.
mimi won't either, but if she does, we'll just keep it low-key. I'm not worried.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:06 pm | #
What was that 'Is about to get a whole lot stupider' post about?
openleft calls Bill Moyer either an idiot or a racist. But things have been stupider over there for a while so that can't be it.
hadenough |
01.12.08 - 2:07 pm | #
i remember the last time escachon was going to happen, didn't toby and one other of the regular trolls promise to show, and then of course chickened out?
Yes. But the thought of facing 100 drunk Atriots was too unnerving for them.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:07 pm | #
I'm always more surprised to learn that someone smokes cigarettes than I am to learn they smoke pot.
ErinPDX |
01.12.08 - 2:07 pm | #
chicago dyke, foily:
The Austin Dog Burner(TM) did, in fact, threaten to show up in 05. Chickened out, obviously....
steve simels |
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01.12.08 - 2:07 pm | #
One does not try to get lucky. One gets lucky, or gets not lucky.
Uncle NTodd
seems to me that there are several dudes here who upon 'getting lucky' discovered afterwards that there was a large element of unluckiness to it.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 2:08 pm | #
mimi won't either, but if she does, we'll just keep it low-key. I'm not worried.
Molly Ivors
Why would she subject herself to the humiliation that is 100 percent guaranteed to result, in front of her boyfriend?
Does she think we're shy?????
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:08 pm | #
mimi won't either, but if she does, we'll just keep it low-key. I'm not worried.
As we noted last time, this is essentially a private party and hotel security would escort any crashers away.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:08 pm | #
V4V
Nope, he's just feeling a little out of sorts and you're the one there to get it. Mr. ql was not so nice to me either this morning. After 37 years I know enough to tell him to blow it out his arse and come back when he's feeling human again.
qlª |
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01.12.08 - 2:08 pm | #
I'm always more surprised to learn that someone smokes cigarettes than I am to learn they smoke pot.
ErinPDX
Yep, me too. I guess because I don't and I do.
lipreader, Edwards supporter. |
01.12.08 - 2:08 pm | #
Remember too that we're raising money in a travel fund which will be available for conferees who are strapped for cash. And we're objectively pro-roommate, though the benefits part of that is up for negotiation.
I might suggest, for example, that chidyke could do a lot worse than racymind as a roomie. But that's just me.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:09 pm | #
seems to me that there are several dudes here who upon 'getting lucky' discovered afterwards that there was a large element of unluckiness to it.
Yeah, like Nim. Poor bastard, saddled with a wife and bambino on the way.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:09 pm | #
I'm always more surprised to learn that someone smokes cigarettes than I am to learn they smoke pot.
I guess that's true of me as well....
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:10 pm | #
mimi won't either, but if she does, we'll just keep it low-key. I'm not worried.
I'll get there a day early and clean the city of Time Magazine. I wouldn't want her to embarrass herself with misinformation she read in Time Magazine.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:10 pm | #
After 37 years I know enough to tell him to blow it out his arse and come back when he's feeling human again.
qlª
No, it's OK, I'm j/k.
He knows there's not a job, that I'm applying for everything I'm remotely qualified and subbing in the meantime.
BASTARD!
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:10 pm | #
If mimi shows up at Eschacon, I want to see photographic evidence.
Mostly because I still think Andy Kaufman's dead, and will continue to believe so until you prove otherwise.
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 2:10 pm | #
Snow, you're a solid fellow: maybe you and Thers could be bouncers.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:11 pm | #
And, uh, forgive me for asking, but you're vacationing in Hazleton? Is this a joke fr45om The Office?
Molly Ivors.
It's not my fault that I'm a native of Hazleton.
mike in pr |
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01.12.08 - 2:11 pm | #
I might suggest, for example, that chidyke could do a lot worse than racymind as a roomie.
I'm beginning to believe those who say that meme isn't a woman. Who would think that bringing along a big muscular date would be intimidating? A man would, at least more often than a woman would.
It fits with the attempts at insulting the women, which never hit their targets by a long shot.
Marcellina |
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01.12.08 - 2:17 pm | #
Listen to that tape.....He's the who said "I am coming at you!"
That's my new ringtone!
Cookie Fleck `08 |
01.12.08 - 2:17 pm | #
you all are really sweet, and others have offered to room share. this is going to sound so lame, but i'm really, um, shy when it comes to sleeping in the same room as people i'm not fucking. deep down, i'm pretty private with it comes to the bedtime routine and bathrooms and suchlike. it's not rational.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 2:17 pm | #
That would explain the love radiation vibe I'm groovin on.
Love?
I always thought that song was about UV rays and ozone depletion...
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 2:17 pm | #
i'm happy to bounce if i can make it. indeed, that could be very satisfying...i've often felt the need to kick some ass of late, and don't have any good targets. barndog will get my back if he can come. which i think he should be able to now that he's got what he deserves from SS. /fingers crossed/
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 2:19 pm | #
I'm usually unavailable the weekend before the Sheriff's Sale because that is when I get my clients for the month.
However the Eschacon 08 weekend is the weekend before the weekend before the Sheriff's Sale so I can make it.
I will be there whether Vicki is going or not.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 2:19 pm | #
I think decon 102 has "Ha, Hm, and It's the corporations man" as macros.
trifecta
Ha, Hm and Heh.
SOS
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:19 pm | #
I always thought that song was about UV rays and ozone depletion...
Need I point out that love is like oxygen?
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:19 pm | #
I'm beginning to believe those who say that meme isn't a woman. Who would think that bringing along a big muscular date would be intimidating? A man would, at least more often than a woman would.
Alternately, a very, very insecure woman might.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:20 pm | #
Need I point out that love is like oxygen?
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
You get too much you get too high,
Not enough and you're gonna die...
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 2:20 pm | #
"You make up 21% of the air that I breathe"
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 2:21 pm | #
I'm beginning to believe those who say that meme isn't a woman
Oh, I figured that out long ago.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:21 pm | #
whoooooosh. just been overcome my chills and sleepiness, so i'm back to bed. speak kindly when i'm dead.
Uncle NTodd |
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01.12.08 - 2:22 pm | #
I will be there whether Vicki is going or not.
Gomez
Vicki's butt had better be there!
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:22 pm | #
it's not rational.
chicago dyke, foily
We still close the door.
Some things just don't need to be shared.
qlª |
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01.12.08 - 2:22 pm | #
"Any idea when will the agenda for Eschaton 08 be up on the blog?"
You're looking for an agenda to be clarified? Don't hold your breath.
Econ 102, Owner of a Liar |
01.12.08 - 2:22 pm | #
With goddamn bells on.
pud |
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01.12.08 - 2:23 pm | #
speak kindly when i'm dead.
Uncle NTodd
You can't die until April at the very least, so forget it.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:23 pm | #
'i'm really, um, shy when it comes to sleeping in the same room as people i'm not fucking"
chi dyke, you are something else.
And I mean that as a compliment!
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:23 pm | #
Sweet! Molly Ivors
Given your new exercise routine, I've no doubt you are foxy on the run.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:23 pm | #
speak kindly when i'm dead.
Whenever I look at two quarters in the palm of my hand, I will think of NTodd.
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 2:23 pm | #
I'm going to try to make it, time and money willing.
sidhra صي ذ& |
01.12.08 - 2:24 pm | #
Any idea when will the agenda for Eschaton 08 be up on the blog?
Toucari,
It's my fault. I need to find a place for Sunday brunch. I have three in mind and we will drive into Philly tomorrow or the next day to check them out. I figure the requirements are cheap, close to the hotel since a lot of people are gonna have their luggage in tow, and available.
qlª |
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01.12.08 - 2:24 pm | #
"nicotine hooker"
Another good band name.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
Whenever I look at two quarters in the palm of my hand, I will think of NTodd.
SteveNS, square
Whenever it is No Pants on the Subway Day, NTodd will be there . . .
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
I'll be there, fuckos.
With goddamn bells on.
On your shoes and on your funny hat?
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
I'll be the only guy there not trying to get lucky.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
With goddamn bells on.
pud | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 2:23 pm | #
nobody doubts that. the question is, will I be bringing a muscular date? And I'm reasonably certain that there will be an agenda set long before I post anything of value.
Econ 102, bad liar |
01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
I'll be there, fuckos.
With goddamn bells on.
As Alan Butler's date.
Or waiting on tables.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
You're looking for an agenda to be clarified? Don't hold your breath.
Any idea when will the agenda for Eschaton 08 be up on the blog?
Soon, I hope. Basically:
Friday: Registration 5-7
Cocktail party 7-9
Saturday Panels: 9-4:30. Dinner on our own, then we reassemble for a fab night of music and comedy.
Sunday: brunch, possibly with a yoga appetizer.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
close to the hotel since a lot of people are gonna have their luggage in tow, and available.
qlª
The bellperson (yeah, I know) will generally keep luggage for a small fee after you check out.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #
I'm going to try to make it, time and money willing.
sidhra
Me, too.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:26 pm | #
I'll be there, fuckos.
With goddamn bells on.
The buckles on the strait jacket make a very distinctive jingling sound.
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 2:26 pm | #
Is there a dress code?
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:27 pm | #
It's my fault. I need to find a place for Sunday brunch. I have three in mind and we will drive into Philly tomorrow or the next day to check them out. I figure the requirements are cheap, close to the hotel since a lot of people are gonna have their luggage in tow, and available.
qlª
Check out Day by Day and Marathon Grill.
Toucari, reloaded |
01.12.08 - 2:27 pm | #
yoga appetizer?
Are you setting something up. Let me know and save me the trip to Philly.
qlª |
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01.12.08 - 2:27 pm | #
Is there going to be a Blogger Ethics Panel?
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 2:27 pm | #
You're looking for an agenda to be clarified?
Next time you want to plan a conference while working full-time, raising a family, and blogging, feel free, fuckwad.
Jesus, what a dick.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:28 pm | #
Oops. Forgot one thing from the agenda.
Saturday: Look for Econ 102.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:30 pm | #
Agenda:
Friday: Arrive at train station. Get drunk. Check in.
Saturday: Maintain drunk from Friday
Sunday: Sober up. Check out. Arrive at train station.
Snow, Liberal
Huh! Same as mine, almost (we're arriving Thursday and leaving Monday).
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:30 pm | #
yoga appetizer?
Are you setting something up.
Oh, no, nothing much. Someone asked me about it, and JeffCO and watertiger were trying to put something together. But if they do that on Sunday around 9, we can all easily make brunch at 11.
Marathon Grill is the one I sent you the link for--it's close, and good, though they apparently have some dodgy labor practices (who doesn't?). Their catering people will be in Monday at 7.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:30 pm | #
Molly, you have to understand, it's really easy for me to be an anonymous, ignorant dickwad since I got fired from my bouncer job at Chuck E. Cheese's. My self-esteem disappeared entirely, and now I really have to interfere in the lives of the happy and successful, just to show them they can't diss me.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:31 pm | #
Is there a dress code?
Folded neatly over the back of the chair will be fine.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:31 pm | #
Given the amount of alcohol scheduled for consumption, maybe I should get a room and skip the drive.
Toucari, reloaded |
01.12.08 - 2:32 pm | #
Well, you don't *have* to get drunk, Toucari.
But it probably helps.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:33 pm | #
Will there be wireless so we can post comments while at Eschacon?
George Johnston |
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01.12.08 - 2:34 pm | #
Oh, no, nothing much. Someone asked me about it, and JeffCO and watertiger were trying to put something together. But if they do that on Sunday around 9, we can all easily make brunch at 11.
I still think it's a stretch to think that anyone will be up 9AM Sunday.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:34 pm | #
Will there be wireless so we can post comments while at Eschacon?
I know I'm it makes me immeasurably wittier and brilliant, to say nothing of enhancing my stunning good looks . . .
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:35 pm | #
I still think it's a stretch to think that anyone will be up 9AM Sunday.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
I will be. I don't drink.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 2:35 pm | #
I still think it's a stretch to think that anyone will be up 9AM Sunday.
Really? At my gym, the yoga's at 7:15 am. I thought it was a morning sort of thing.
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:35 pm | #
Seek first to understand, then be understood.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:36 pm | #
Will there be wireless so we can post comments while at Eschacon?
Yes.
Molly Ivors
I'm envisioning a bunch of geeks with their laptops, busily conversing in a thread, from the same room.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:36 pm | #
Will there be wireless so we can post comments while at Eschacon?
Yes.
Good! Many of us will be eagerly following the antics.
Marcellina |
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01.12.08 - 2:36 pm | #
Well, you don't *have* to get drunk, Toucari.
But it probably helps.
No, no, no. I'll be there. You definitely need to be drunk to deal with me. I'll be much funnier if everyone is drunk.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:36 pm | #
Seek first to understand, then be understood.
Econ 102
Good advice. Follow it.
Gomez |
01.12.08 - 2:36 pm | #
I used to be a bouncer. Not the best job to have.
Econ 102, Owner of a Liar | 01.12.08 - 2:15 pm | #
Of course, this was at a salad bar.
steve simels |
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01.12.08 - 2:37 pm | #
I still think it's a stretch to think that anyone will be up 9AM Sunday.
Lots of people will still be up.
Echidne |
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01.12.08 - 2:37 pm | #
Really? At my gym, the yoga's at 7:15 am. I thought it was a morning sort of thing.
Well I did mean after a Saturday night party, but it's fine with me.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:38 pm | #
Next time "Grasshopper" speaks, I'm going to kill the fucker.
Toucari, reloaded |
01.12.08 - 2:38 pm | #
Like a yo-yo on a string...
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:38 pm | #
Actually, I could lead a session in Drunken Tai Chi on Sunday morning, for those who haven't been to bed yet.
Echidne |
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01.12.08 - 2:38 pm | #
The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:38 pm | #
Lots of people will still be up.
I'm not sure how their balance will be. Savasana all around!
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:39 pm | #
I'm envisioning a bunch of geeks with their laptops, busily conversing in a thread, from the same room.
Actually, I could lead a session in Drunken Tai Chi on Sunday morning, for those who haven't been to bed yet.
Echidne
Please, someone needs to live-blog this with a videocam. It would be funnier than Malkin's cheerleading jumps.
Marcellina |
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01.12.08 - 2:40 pm | #
Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you.
(I love me some Jack Handy.)
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:41 pm | #
The face of a child can say it all
In the eyes of a child you will see.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant |
01.12.08 - 2:41 pm | #
I'm envisioning a bunch of geeks with their laptops, busily conversing in a thread, from the same room.
This is how the conferences I've been to were, pretty much.
Echidne |
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01.12.08 - 2:41 pm | #
If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet you could shoot beer out of your nose.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:42 pm | #
I'm a little freaked that someone wants to run this on Second Life. What would be the point of that, do you know?
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:42 pm | #
Old man, how is it that you hear these things?
Young man, how is it that you do not?
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:42 pm | #
McCain says he will cut taxes and invest in research.
I am thinking of going public against the GOPer candidates this week. They're being stupid and someone should tell them so.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:42 pm | #
I am thinking of going public against the GOPer candidates this week. They're being stupid and someone should tell them so.
Snow, Liberal
[swoons, pushes autograph book at Snow]
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:43 pm | #
Snow, I've never know anybody who got elected promising to raise taxes.
I'm envisioning a bunch of geeks with their laptops, busily conversing in a thread, from the same room.
I'll be flirting shamelessly with Molly. Hopefully in front of the Lout.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:45 pm | #
I've never know anybody who got elected promising to raise taxes.
Who said anything about raising taxes?
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:46 pm | #
Lots of people will still be up.
Echidne | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 2:37 pm | #
I'll be the old guy gumming his kibble....
steve simels |
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01.12.08 - 2:46 pm | #
VfV-
Does tea count? Perhaps I am now enlightened.
sidhra صي ذ& |
01.12.08 - 2:47 pm | #
"Phased-out."
Then we should be careful when parting the horse's mane.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:47 pm | #
I'll be flirting shamelessly with Molly. Hopefully in front of the Lout.
Heh.
Okay, I'll be back around to answer more questions later. Have a delightful afternoon!
Molly Ivors |
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01.12.08 - 2:47 pm | #
Hey, will this hotel have bacon?
sidhra صي ذ& |
01.12.08 - 2:48 pm | #
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
V for Virginia, free at last! |
01.12.08 - 2:48 pm | #
Then we should be careful when parting the horse's mane.
We shall braid it! On each others' heads! That's the fun of the drunken version, most anything goes.
Echidne |
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01.12.08 - 2:48 pm | #
Rudy: Kennedy cut taxes, and the economy grew. Reagan cut taxes, and the economy grew. Bush cut taxes, same thing happened.
But Rudy, FDR raised taxes. Guess what? The economy grew!
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:49 pm | #
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
I wish the writer's strike would end. These repeats are getting stale.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:49 pm | #
Seek not to know the answers, but to understand the questions.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:50 pm | #
Jesus, I'm boring myself. You people must be thoroughly sick of my puerile, shallow shit by now. I know I am.
Econ 102
I hope that someday soon I will miss the little adrenaline rush I get from being highly irked at your inane posts.
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 2:53 pm | #
I took my son for his driver's test on Thursday. A young woman went out for her road test when we arrived. A few minutes later she returned, but the tester was driving the car. I would love to know what happened. Gotta go.
I'm surprised none of Romney's Mexican-hating GOP opponents have brought up his Mexican ancestry:
George Romney was born in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, in the Mexican state of Chihuahua to Gaskell Romney (1871-1955), of English ancestry, and wife Anna Amelia Pratt (1876-1926), born to a Mexican-American father and a German mother. Romney's grandparents were polygamous Mormons who fled the United States because of the federal government's opposition to polygamy.[
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:55 pm | #
When did the US experience its highest rate of sustained economic growth?
The 50's, when the marginal tax rates were the highest.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 2:55 pm | #
Some people don't leave, even though they say they do.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:56 pm | #
Reagan cut taxes, and the economy grew.
Notice the Monster Deficit is never mentioned when Repukes speak of Saint Ronald?
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:56 pm | #
I don't know who is proposing putting Eschacon on Second Life. The difference between SL and setting up a videoconference would be that you could see other people who were virtually attending and start up side conversations with them, just as if you were there. Its another way of networking.
planetjanet |
01.12.08 - 2:57 pm | #
Notice the Monster Deficit is never mentioned when Repukes speak of Saint Ronald?
Pay no attention to the gaping chasm behind the man behind the curtain.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 2:57 pm | #
Didn't Kennedy's tax cuts still leave a bottom line tax rate about three times higher than now?
Nah. Only about two times.
But, Truman raised taxes. The economy grew. Eisenhower raised taxes. The economy grew.
So maybe taxes have nothing to do with economic growth.
Of course the economic growth under Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower (all of whom raised taxes) was unprecedented in both size of growth and equal distribution among all income levels. Tax cuts, however, have led to smaller economic growth and unequal growth in favor of the wealthy.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 2:57 pm | #
Continual causation and correlation confusion is concerning.
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 2:58 pm | #
Seek first to understand, then be understood.
I'll never understand why he persists in boring the shit out of everyone.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 2:58 pm | #
Notice the Monster Deficit is never mentioned when Repukes speak of Saint Ronald?
Pay no attention to the gaping chasm behind the man behind the curtain.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
The reign of Reagan: "Take from the needy and give to the greedy."
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 3:00 pm | #
U.S. stocks fell for a third straight week, the longest streak since August, after forecasts from AT&T Inc., American Express Co. and Tiffany & Co. bolstered speculation that the six-year economic expansion is ending.
AT&T dropped the most since 2003 on the New York Stock Exchange after saying customer demand weakened. American Express had the steepest loss since September 2001 after adopting a ``cautious view'' for the year. Tiffany tumbled the most in 5 1/2 years on slower holiday sales. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. economists said the U.S. may already be in a recession, joining counterparts at Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch & Co.
The Standard & Poor's 500 Index fell 0.8 percent to 1,401.02 this week, bringing its year-to-date loss to 4.6 percent for the worst start since 1982, according to Bloomberg data. The measure fell to an almost 10-month low on Jan. 8. The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank 1.5 percent to 12,606.30. The Nasdaq Composite Index declined 2.6 percent to 2,439.94.
``We certainly have another couple of months to go before we see the bottom of this thing,'' said Richard Weiss, who helps manage about $60 billion as chief investment officer at City National Bank in Beverly Hills, California. ``The duration of the downturn is still unknown.''
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 3:01 pm | #
Happy Birthday, Rush [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
It's a Limbaugh birthday today. The man's had a pretty successful year. 19 years of excellence in broadcasting — every weekday, taking conservative ideas to the diners, truckstops, offices, taxicabs ... everything but "drive-by" newsrooms...of America. Beating Harry Reid and doing good out of a ridiculous attack. Vindication in a thankless fight against a Brave New World. A personal victory.
Happy Birthday. Carry on!
His "conservative ideas" include the porking of nine-year-old Dominican boys. I'm surprised you would even mention such a depraved monster.
I guess they don't call you people "Cornholers" for nothing.
Lime Rickey |
01.12.08 - 3:01 pm | #
Tax cuts, however, have led to smaller economic growth and unequal growth in favor of the wealthy.
Snow, Liberal
That's all that counts with people like Reagan, Bush 41 and Chimpy: Is it going to make the rich richer? Fuck everyone else.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
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01.12.08 - 3:02 pm | #
I am coming to your conference. I will drop my pants and deposit a load for you in the middle of the floor.
pud |
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01.12.08 - 3:03 pm | #
For those who wish to return us to the Gilded Age, according to Krugman you have succeeded. Congratulations.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 3:03 pm | #
I'm a little freaked that someone wants to run this on Second Life. What would be the point of that, do you know?
Molly Ivors
for the SLers, mainly. it's no harm, and it gives them a chance to do something other than virtual sex. i know the people who ran one of the SL KosChicago thingees, they had about 100 or so avatars in a "room" and seemed to enjoy it. it's harmless.
chicago dyke, foily |
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01.12.08 - 3:03 pm | #
For anyone who missed it earlier, this MediaMatters take down of Tweety is devastating. I was surprised to learn that he is 62. You would think he would have learned something since he turned 16.
qlª |
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01.12.08 - 3:03 pm | #
Apparently there is going to be a recount in NH in both the D and R races.
Anyone know if the recount is done using only the paper ballots?
jawbone |
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01.12.08 - 3:03 pm | #
Federal Reserve officials signaled they've shifted their stance in favor of taking out greater ``insurance'' against the increasing risk of recession.
Fed Governor Frederic Mishkin said yesterday that policy makers must be ready to abandon ``inertia'' and act ``decisively'' in cases of major financial disruptions. Philadelphia Fed Bank President Charles Plosser, whom economists consider to be the toughest on inflation, said he's now most concerned about consumer spending.
The comments, following Chairman Ben S. Bernanke's Jan. 10 speech pledging ``substantive additional action,'' spurred traders to predict a faster and deeper pace of interest-rate cuts. That strategy would be a break from the forecast-driven policy approach to date, Fed watchers said. Mishkin joined Bernanke in stating the strategy is now one of ``insurance.''
``I am delighted the Fed is moving in a very different direction,'' said former Fed governor Lyle Gramley, now a senior adviser at the Stanford Group in Washington. ``Risk-management is what they should be doing.''
Mishkin, 57, a former collaborator with Bernanke on academic research, said in New York that ``waiting too long to ease policy could result in further deterioration of the macroeconomy and might well increase the overall amount of easing that would eventually be needed.''
Econ 102 |
01.12.08 - 3:04 pm | #
Is there a required reading list for EschaCon?
jawbone |
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01.12.08 - 3:05 pm | #
Trouble in Evangelia? We can but hope:
Young Evangelicals Embrace Huckabee as Old Guard Balks
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK (NY Times)
Published: January 13, 2008
WASHINGTON — Much of the national leadership of the Christian conservative movement has turned a cold shoulder to the Republican presidential campaign of Mike Huckabee, wary of his populist approach to economic issues and his criticism of the Bush administration’s foreign policy. But that has only fired up Brett and Alex Harris.
The Harris brothers, 19-year-old evangelical authors and speakers who grew up steeped in the conservative Christian movement, are the creators of Huck’s Army, an online network that has connected 12,000 Huckabee campaign volunteers, including several hundred in Michigan, which votes Tuesday, and South Carolina, which votes Saturday.
On NJN, NJ public TV, Visions of Ireland is on now--one of those aerial filmed travelogues with some narrative, lots of music. Hooked me with some shoreline shots. So incredibly beautiful.
jawbone |
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01.12.08 - 3:08 pm | #
Huck is running almost entirely on abortion in South Carolina. Except when he is pandering to the military.
We value life, and that makes us unique in the world. According to Huck.
I am stunned.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 3:08 pm | #
Afternoon, rational people.
Just one of those despicable drive-bys with the sole purpose of a blogwhore, but I have to go to the grocery store while I have a ride:
PS, it will be on the test.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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01.12.08 - 3:08 pm | #
I am coming to your conference. I will drop my pants and deposit a load for you in the middle of the floor.
pud | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 3:03 pm | #
Good an improvement from your posts.
dmark |
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01.12.08 - 3:08 pm | #
The Harris brothers, 19-year-old evangelical authors and speakers who grew up steeped in the conservative Christian movement, are the creators of Huck’s Army
The writers of "Left Behind for Dummies."
Lime Rickey |
01.12.08 - 3:10 pm | #
On NJN, NJ public TV, Visions of Ireland is on now--one of those aerial filmed travelogues with some narrative, lots of music. Hooked me with some shoreline shots. So incredibly beautiful.
jawbone
I was there several years ago. Loved it.
SteveNS, square |
01.12.08 - 3:10 pm | #
I am coming to your conference. I will drop my pants and deposit a load for you in the middle of the floor.
Great. I'll have the police standing by for your visit.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 3:11 pm | #
The Great Crash, 1929 is a book written by John Kenneth Galbraith and published in 1954; it is an economic history of the lead-up to the Wall Street Crash of 1929.
Compare Galbraith's 5 causes to today. Scary.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 3:14 pm | #
Good afternoon, everyone!
Don't know if Mrs. Gummo will be up for the trip by 3/28, but we just reserved a room for EschaCon. Hope springs eternal & all that....
I am coming to your conference. I will drop my pants and deposit a load for you in the middle of the floor.
The troll equivalent of cloning.
Gummo |
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01.12.08 - 3:14 pm | #
These aren't inflation adjusted dollars. When folks talk about massive tax cuts for the wealthy, this is what they're talking about. It is disgusting.
sidhra صي ذ& |
01.12.08 - 3:16 pm | #
Don't know if Mrs. Gummo will be up for the trip by 3/28, but we just reserved a room for EschaCon. Hope springs eternal & all that....
We value life, and that makes us unique in the world. According to Huck.
Why, of course. Only we value life. The brown Muslims certainly don't, or they wouldn't be resisting our munificent rule in Iraq. The gooks don't, or they wouldn't have resisted the rule of our puppets in Vietnam.
You can tell we value life because only we engage in the humane termination of hundreds of thousands of Hadjis in Iraq.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 3:22 pm | #
Are lurkers like me welcome at Eschacon?
There a special lukers' loge for smoking dope and heavy necking.
leibniz, monadΩ |
01.12.08 - 3:22 pm | #
Gummo, please give Mrs. Gummo all my best. Take care, both of you.
ErinPDX |
01.12.08 - 3:22 pm | #
Gummo, please give Mrs. Gummo all my best. Take care, both of you.
ErinPDX
Thank you! The worst is over, it's all recuperation now.
Gummo |
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01.12.08 - 3:23 pm | #
We value life, and that makes us unique in the world. According to Huck.
Why, of course. Only we value life. The brown Muslims certainly don't, or they wouldn't be resisting our munificent rule in Iraq. The gooks don't, or they wouldn't have resisted the rule of our puppets in Vietnam.
You can tell we value life because only we engage in the humane termination of hundreds of thousands of Hadjis in Iraq.
The sad thing is that many Americans believe precisely this.
leibniz, monadΩ |
01.12.08 - 3:24 pm | #
freak of a spokesperson in N. Carolina just described the hand of the fetus. jeebus
Inflammatory! Thanks for prejudicing the jury pool.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 3:24 pm | #
Much of the national leadership of the Christian conservative movement has turned a cold shoulder to the Republican presidential campaign of Mike Huckabee, wary of his populist approach to economic issues and his criticism of the Bush administration’s foreign policy.
This is because the "national leadership" of the "Christian conservative movement" are actually Mammon-worshipers disguised as "Christians".
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 3:25 pm | #
The sad thing is that many Americans believe precisely this.
leibniz, monadΩ
They HAVE to. Without 'American Exceptionalism', they have no identity at all.
Gummo |
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01.12.08 - 3:25 pm | #
Gummo,
So glad your spouse is doing well.
leibniz, monadΩ |
01.12.08 - 3:26 pm | #
The British used to make a show of valuing life until they succeeded in breaking the chimney-sweep union.
Lime Rickey |
01.12.08 - 3:26 pm | #
Here. Go read a nice poem.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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01.12.08 - 3:27 pm | #
Fuck haloscan. Here are those #s again:
1963 Exemptions $600
Low bracket Tax .20 income less than $4000
Top bracket Tax .91 income over $400,000
2002 Exemptions $3000
Low Bracket tax .10 income less than $12,000
Top bracket tax .38 income over $307,050
sidhra صي ذ& |
01.12.08 - 3:28 pm | #
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Come upstairs, peeps. It's lonely up there.
Southern Beale |
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01.12.08 - 3:28 pm | #
Is there a required reading list for EschaCon?
Das Kapital, by Karl Marx Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler How I made Millions by Grifting the Rubes, by Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts Liberal Fascism, by the Doughy Pantload You WILL Run the Subways on Time, by Rudy Guilliani How to Sell Your Soul, Family, and all Integrity to Fuel your Ambition by John McCain
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
01.12.08 - 3:28 pm | #
The British used to make a show of valuing life until they succeeded in breaking the chimney-sweep union.
Dick Van Dyke as a chimney sweep was a thinly disguised metaphor for Julie Andrew's vibrator.
leibniz, monadΩ |
01.12.08 - 3:29 pm | #
The British used to make a show of valuing life until they succeeded in breaking the chimney-sweep union.
They'll always have the Boer Wars.
And the Boxer Rebellion.
And India.
And Palestine.
Snow, Liberal |
01.12.08 - 3:29 pm | #
Aw, gee, sorry...I'll be in France!
Simple Mind |
01.12.08 - 3:43 pm | #