I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
It's all about me!
But I'm anhedonic!
Well, maybe not.
From below
Clinton and Obama (alphabetical) cannot win on the same ticket. It would be suicidal.
I disagree.
NTodd, Self-Taught |
But which would do better? Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton or won't it matter???
Fifth
Fifth
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
I prefer a quart.
I prefer a quart.
I'm gonna have to give it up.
[pouts]
Hey...we've still got fifteen minutes of morning left!
I see Chris Bowers is convinced McCain will beat Hillary. Anyone who thinks McCain is going to have wide support has been drinking the Reagan kool-aid. McCain will have the Giuliani problem that the more he campaigns the less people will like him, corporate media fluffing notwithstanding.
Sorry, Time Machine is starting now.
I think I shall take my troubled heart and catch a snooze.
Later, lovelistas!
http://www.intrade.com/
check intrade...so far more reliable then the polls
One more cat before I go-go.
bbl
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But which would do better? Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton or won't it matter???
*shrugs shoulders & sighs deeply*
Game?
Re: Clinton or Obama vs. McCain
Repug talking point to come - who would you prefer as Commander in Chief, VietNam war vet McCain or that "c" word or "n" word Democrat?
"Paging Savage, Beck, Limbaugh to the RNC red phone."
Just watch it happen.
Woo-hoo.
Minneapolis hasn't had a murder yet this year.
Take that, New York Times!
Vicki, who is well known to big rig truckers, wrote in the last thread about how Americans are not being asked to make sacrifices for Chimpy's vanity war.
Overall, she's quite correct. One of the selling points of the ongoing occupation is that, like Gulf War I, it's relatively painless. If you don't have a father, mother, son, daughter, brother, or sister in the All-Volunteer (and therefore imminently expendable) military.
The entire thing is being paid for "off budget" on some credit card Chimpy got in the mail in Barney's name, and there are no metal scrap drives or rationing about to cause you to feel as though you're being asked to make a sacrifice. Why? Because despite the efforts of wingnuts everywhere, it's very obvious that this is NOT an "existential struggle", it's a fucking optional colonial military activity that benefits only a few parasite cronies.
Re: Clinton or Obama vs. McCain
Repug talking point to come - who would you prefer as Commander in Chief, VietNam war vet McCain or that "c" word or "n" word Democrat?
"Paging Savage, Beck, Limbaugh to the RNC red phone."
Just watch it happen.
Bond, James Bond
Right wing will lap it up but will it still work on those in the middle.
it's a fucking optional colonial military activity that benefits only a few parasite cronies.
Yup!
Because despite the efforts of wingnuts everywhere, it's very obvious that this is NOT an "existential struggle", it's a fucking optional colonial military activity that benefits only a few parasite cronies.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.02.08 - 12:56 pm | #
If I hear one more Republican say that the troops in Iraq are defending our freedom, I swear to god I'm gonna take a hostage.
And I would really like to hear a promininent Dem, like either Hillary or Obama, call them out on this shit as loudly as possible.
Obama against the Crypt Keeper....no real challenge here, I think. I give McCain some credit. A 70 something man running a presidential campaign has some energy left. But he looks like he's half dead. Put that up against the energy of Obama and the young movement behind him...no contest.
I would like a prominent Dem to call for the end of the volunteer army. It exists solely to fuel occupations around the world.
bookish Leibniz cat
I thought Nancy Poophead made a big mistake squashing the war tax.
It is patriotic and away for everyone to contribute.
Off to exchange Angel's bed for some Thai food.
.
oops!
bookish leibniz cat
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/
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But which would do better? Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton or won't it matter???
Bond, James Bond | 02.02.08 - 12:49 pm | #
I think it works either way....
I'm "this" close to finalizing all my EschaCon plans.
Can't wait!!
Five years since Columbia...
NTodd, Self-Taught |
There's an astonishing daylight video (on YouTube) of Columbia going sideways, literally, taken by an amateur with a powerful zoom lens. I recall seeing it days after the event and marveled at what it appeared to show. Unfortunately the photographer zooms back to a wide angle view just 5 seconds before the catastrophic break up.
Strangely the wide angle view IS included in the the official video timeline in the Final Report on the Columbia disaster but NOT the close up view seconds earlier.
The machine was going ape shit sideways much earlier (30 seconds) than the official narrative implies.
bookish leibniz cat
Darling!
I really need to post more Franny Rose/Ida Mae pics. I've got a bunch I've still gotta upload.
I would like a prominent Dem to call for the end of the volunteer army. It exists solely to fuel occupations around the world.
Nobody's going to do that at this point, but Kucinich came the closes with the Dept of Peace. It was something that recognized the inherent violence and militarism in our society and the need to have a national transformation in how we deal with conflict domestically and abroad.
I would like a prominent Dem to call for the end of the volunteer army. It exists solely to fuel occupations around the world.
The brass intentionally restructured the military after Vietnam to make it so that if any President wanted to use the Army on some idiotic adventure, he'd have to call up the reserves and the NG to do so. It was thought that this structural change in the Army would act as a deterent to such adventurism.
Alas, the brass was wrong, and now the Army is being damaged in ways that no doubt make some wish they had the structure that the Army had in Vietnam, where draftees were sent into the fray, and only a couple of reserve/NG units were called up to participate.
The Army is losing mid level NCOs and Officers as soon as their tours of service are up, losing the future leadership of the Army, and it's all because of the quagmire occupation of Iraq.
The machine was going ape shit sideways much earlier (30 seconds) than the official narrative implies.
Yeah, if you look at the data, you can tell that the computers were trying desperately to compensate as the wing was failing.
On that last thread I think people should take a more positive attitude about those garages. Just think of all the cool garage bands that could spontaneously emerge from a neighborhhod full of them. 
Also, as I said at the end of the dying thread, I do not see Hillary ever accepting another gig as second fiddle in the Whitehouse, even if this one is more official.
It's slushing, if that's possible.
Poor patrick healy. It must be hell for him:
And then came Mrs. Clinton’s stump speech. And, oh boy, even though it was a Friday night in San Francisco at the beautiful Orpheum, Mrs. Clinton once again showed one of her deficits as a candidate: She simply has trouble pulling off a great rally.
No matter the setting, Mrs. Clinton treats nearly every campaign event as a wonk-filled town hall meeting. Rather than whip up the crowd by tossing brickbats at President Bush; rather than tell funny stories or show the sides of herself that Mr. Danson and Ms. Steenburgen hailed; rather than try to deliver her best stemwinder – Mrs. Clinton instead sunk into the weeds of her policy ideas, laying out her plans for tax credits and health care and education reform.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.c...self/#more-
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As I mentioned earlier, the Hall Monitors at Orange Satan aren't happy with me.
Make sure to take the poll!
"There's a hole in the world like a great, black pit
And it's filled with people who are filled with shit,
And the vermin of the world inhabit it,
and it goes by the name of...."
. Rather than whip up the crowd by tossing brickbats at President Bush; rather than tell funny stories or show the sides of herself that Mr. Danson and Ms. Steenburgen hailed; rather than try to deliver her best stemwinder – Mrs. Clinton instead sunk into the weeds of her policy ideas, laying out her plans for tax credits and health care and education reform.
Oh no - she knows what she's talking about!
Give her the hook! GIVE HER THE HOOK!!!
It's slushing, if that's possible.
It is possible. Trust me on this one.
Mrs. Clinton instead sunk into the weeds of her policy ideas, laying out her plans for tax credits and health care and education reform.
Fucking issues always put me off my cocktail weenies.
Make sure to take the poll!
dave™©
Clearly you are not of the body.
"Ah, sir, times is hard, times is hard!"
I remember Camile Pagilia saying that the Columbia disaster is the type of omen that would have stopped ancient Greek and Roman rulers from going of to battle. She said this in reference to it being a very bad omen on the eve of Bush's elective war. Thought it was an interesting comment. Still do in retrospect.
"Make sure to take the poll!
dave™©"
Did you see the diary that says Hillary killed JFK JR.? Good stuff.
Fucking issues always put me off my cocktail weenies.
NTodd, Self-Taught
Would you want to have a beer with such a person? Enthusiasm is the only reason I vote!
I wanna be enthusiastic about my President! Competence, feh! Does he/she make me feel good! That's what counts!
Yeah, if you look at the data, you can tell that the computers were trying desperately to compensate as the wing was failing.
NTodd, Self-Taught |
The close up video shows the wing seperated from the orbiter. It's low contrast but obvious. My point is basically the flight crew knew they were doomed for more than a few seconds before the actual break-up.
I believe that the Final Report chose to downplay (not lie) about that horror.
Not being willing to admit her AUMF vote was wrong is a Very Bad Sign -- it sounds just like George W. Bush.
There is no way Hillary Clinton's lead in Massachusetts is as large as the polls are saying.
Maybe she'll pull out a win here, but I'm seeing 12 and 14 points leads, and that's just silly.
I'm "this" close to finalizing all my EschaCon plans.
Can't wait!!
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 1:00 pm | #
Excellent!!!!
And now lunch beckons....back in a bit.
I remember Camile Pagilia saying that the Columbia disaster is the type of omen that would have stopped ancient Greek and Roman rulers from going of to battle. She said this in reference to it being a very bad omen on the eve of Bush's elective war. Thought it was an interesting comment. Still do in retrospect.
Bad Art
If only the Dems had checked the chicken entrails, like Tireasias told 'em to!
she can never sound "just like Bush", because the whole fucking thing was *his* idea.
I remember Camile Pagilia saying that the Columbia disaster is the type of omen that would have stopped ancient Greek and Roman rulers from going of to battle. She said this in reference to it being a very bad omen on the eve of Bush's elective war. Thought it was an interesting comment. Still do in retrospect.
Pagilia is far more interested in hearing the sound of her own pretentious voice.
My loathing for her is well established. I had so hoped that she had fucking gone away in the late 90's, but then she comes back, spouting the same crap she was spouting before.
Then last year, she shows up on an otherwise pleasant special about Star Wars on the History Channel, along with Newt Gingrich, spoiling the entire thing.
Pagilia is far more interested in hearing the sound of her own pretentious voice
Her office is just a few blocks away from where Eschacon II will be held.
just sayin'
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intra....jsp?
query=Mass
Mass intrade data
Well, I'd better go finish hanging that pot rack that I started to put up two weeks ago.
Later.
It wasn't literally, but try again.
But which would do better? Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton or won't it matter???
Bond, James Bond
Either way.
The Clinton / Obama campaigns could just say one of us will be president and the other will be vice president. The primaries and debates are just about who gets what.
It's not as if one is Joe Stalin and the other is Mother Teresa. Democrats get to make a reasoned choice between a BMW and a Mercedes.
In November voters get to make a choice between happy puppies and cancer.
Obama should apologize for his support of ethenol and voting for the Shrubco energy plan/
Ethenol has caused food prices to skyrocket.
Paglia would be better off reading her own entrails.
Not being willing to admit her AUMF vote was wrong is a Very Bad Sign -- it sounds just like George W. Bush.
You know what? I'd like if all of us start thinking about all the good reasons why we will support either Hillary or Barry in November. Because we're going to have to.
literalism... my personal achilles' heel, here on the internet...
Paglia would be better off reading her own entrails.
leibniz, monadΩ |
Is she due for a colonoscopy soon?
I dunno, I think Pagalia is a hell of a lot more interesting as a provocatuer than either Gingrich or Coulter or any other rightwingish know-it-all.
"He's seen how civilized men behaved.
He never forgot and he never forgave..."
You know what would work? Stop whining about how no one liked your magic elf.
I think Pagalia is a hell of a lot more interesting as a provocatuer than either Gingrich or Coulter or any other rightwingish know-it-all.
I think of her more as a batshit insane soup of over-cooked Tom Wolfe lentils and some stale Andrea Dworkin broth.
You know what would work? Stop whining about how no one liked your magic elf.
plantsman
I don't see him whining, any more than the bunch of us who are sorry to see Edwards go.
rather than try to deliver her best stemwinder – Mrs. Clinton instead sunk into the weeds of her policy ideas, laying out her plans for tax credits and health care and education reform.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.c...c...self/#more-
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hadenough | 02.02.08 - 1:04 pm | #
This is the tactic that won her majorities in upstate NY and that she has used a lot since Iowa and that makes me feel a lot better about her abilities to win in the general.
You know what would work? Stop whining about how no one liked your magic elf.
Oddly, I wasn't whining about my magic elf, dipshit. I was suggesting that we focus on the positive aspects of candidates that we're likely going to have to support and vote for come November. Get it yet?
"He's seen how civilized men behaved.
He never forgot and he never forgave..."
Well, he was a barberian.
/flees from room
You know what would work? Stop whining about how no one liked your magic elf.
plantsman | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 1:14 pm | #
You're going to regret that remark as you shovel sulfur in the pits around the Dark Tower.
Also, as I said at the end of the dying thread, I do not see Hillary ever accepting another gig as second fiddle in the Whitehouse, even if this one is more official.
Bad Art
I'm not sure I see Obama taking the veep spot, he sometimes seems annoyed that he hasn't been coronated yet.
Poor patrick healy
Real Hillary-hater there.
Good afternoon, friends.
As I mentioned earlier, the Hall Monitors at Orange Satan aren't happy with me.
Make sure to take the poll!
dave™© | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 1:04 pm | #
Wow, I never go there, so I had no idea the place attracted so many humorless idiots.
Like I said -- wow.
I think of her more as a batshit insane soup of over-cooked Tom Wolfe lentils and some stale Andrea Dworkin broth.
leibniz, monadΩ | 02.02.08 - 1:16 pm | #
But she has that deeply pompous cargo-cult attempt at coming of as learned in common with more standard winger "intellectuals".
I think of her more as a batshit insane soup of over-cooked Tom Wolfe lentils and some stale Andrea Dworkin broth.
That's not half bad.
Viewer, these internets are a frightful Place, full of unapproved un regulated opinion. Would you not rather have your opinion given to you? Yes, you would! Okay then, we're back on our couch now!
"I feel you, Johanna!"
Sorry, been out fence building (literally), now I need a shower before the afternoon jobs claims my hours. So I popped in the Broadway cast album of "Sweeney Todd."
Call it automatic writing.
Every time I hear Camille Paglia's name, I think of this book cover:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/lWUXHDKx.jpg
Trying to look like a bad ass, but looking more like a church lady in a production of "West Side Story".
Oh, and I think of the late great Molly Ivins calling her "an asshole."
That's not half bad.
Wait till you try my mimi soup de jour!
But she has that deeply pompous cargo-cult attempt at coming of as learned in common with more standard winger "intellectuals".
That's pretty good, too.
She's got that pedantic "I've got everything figured out" sort of gestalt around here that drives me nuts, because for all her pretension, she just exudes pure bullshit in copious quantities.
Would you not rather have your opinion given to you?
Fuck no.
I was born with a brain that works fine and I like to use it.
Thinking for myself is something I've always done...and always will do.
Viewer, these internets are a frightful Place, full of unapproved un regulated opinion.
Er, "sort of gestalt around her that drives me nuts".
Simels regrets, etc, ad naseum.
http://www.its.caltech.edu/
~eric...ivins_on_paglia
(Sigh) I MISS Molly!
because for all her pretension, she just exudes pure bullshit in coprophagous quantities.
jacked up your car
Viewer, these internets are a frightful Place, full of unapproved un regulated opinion.
You must be protected from such horrors as kitchen counter pun threads.
"He's seen how civilized men behaved.
He never forgot and he never forgave..."
I understand the British started making a distinction between barbers and surgeons in 1745 by making them attend different colleges.
these internets are a frightful Place, full of unapproved un regulated opinion. Would you not rather have your opinion given to you?
Television! Teacher!! Friend!!! Secret lover...
Paglia's scholarship isn't even all that good. But then, what passes for "public intellectual" in this country is never someone of the caliber of Chomsky, or Foucault, or Derrida, or Habermas, or Bultmann, or....
We have women and men of true intelligence, insight, and wisdom. We just pay no attention to them.
Television: One to many
Intertubes: Many to many
Scares the living shit out of Punkinhaid...and Tom "Greatest Genration" Brokaw.
Uncle Walter, not so much. Which is why Uncle Walter RULES!
I understand the British started making a distinction between barbers and surgeons in 1745 by making them attend different colleges.
But the split between barber and clown college didn't take place until the 19th century...
Wow, I never go there, so I had no idea the place attracted so many humorless idiots.
It's like an entire convention of Margaret Dumonts...
If I were to based my opinion on the Clinton and Obama ads I have seen here in the Lou, I'd have to say go for Obama.
Hillary has some cheesy commercial of a parachutist falling out of the sky (economy) while Obama has excerpts of an inspirational speech.
She's got that pedantic "I've got everything figured out" sort of gestalt around here that drives me nuts, because for all her pretension, she just exudes pure bullshit in copious quantities.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.02.08 - 1:22 pm | #
That's it: "I've got everything figured out".
A winger I used to know once stunned me during Falujah 1, with a rejoinder something like "Obviously, you lack any familiarity with scholarly literature on guerrilla war" when I said that the insurgents fleeing a massive US attack on their stronghold did not necessarily mean they had been defeated.
(Sigh) I MISS Molly!
Terry C - HATES Republicans
I loved that because it provided exactly what perplexed the NYTimes in Molly's obituary: how could she be so educated and still sound like she came from Texas?
Hah!
It's not afternoon in SoCal, but it feels like it
Television! Teacher!! Friend!!! Secret lover...
Homer: Are you kids hugging the television?
Bart and Lisa (quickly moving back from the TV): No!
We have women and men of true intelligence, insight, and wisdom. We just pay no attention to them.
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
A winger I used to know once stunned me during Falujah 1, with a rejoinder something like "Obviously, you lack any familiarity with scholarly literature on guerrilla war" when I said that the insurgents fleeing a massive US attack on their stronghold did not necessarily mean they had been defeated.
rootless-e
Don't you love when you hear that shit from people who don't know their asses from their elbows?
I've taken to laughing in their faces of late.
But the split between barber and clown college didn't take place until the 19th century...
You mean University of Phoenix?
It's like an entire convention of Margaret Dumonts...
or, as Margeret would say 
A winger I used to know once stunned me during Falujah 1, with a rejoinder something like "Obviously, you lack any familiarity with scholarly literature on guerrilla war" when I said that the insurgents fleeing a massive US attack on their stronghold did not necessarily mean they had been defeated.
Good thing he read a lot of Bernard Fall...
We have women and men of true intelligence, insight, and wisdom. We just pay no attention to them.
I don't have any of the above, but I do try to help my students make sense of the world around them. And when I figure it out myself, you'll be the first to know.
As I mentioned earlier, the Hall Monitors at Orange Satan aren't happy with me.
I love it when you torture the Kossacks, dave™©.
Want me to turn the web cam on? I'm painting ...
You mean University of Phoenix?
Hey, I got my PhD in Assholery from there!
I'm sorry, what were you saying?
NTodd, Self-Taught
Hell's bell's, not me! I'm whining about the magical elf and have an invisible sky buddy!
Or so they tell me....
Want me to turn the web cam on? I'm panting ...
fyt
I'm not supporting or rejecting a candidate based upon what their commercials look or sound like.
with a rejoinder something like "Obviously, you lack any familiarity with scholarly literature on guerrilla war"
Lord, I do loathe military dilletants, especially those who obviously have not studied so much as a paragraph of military history...and clearly have never worn a uniform in their entire fucking lives.
As I mentioned earlier, the Hall Monitors at Orange Satan aren't happy with me.
Yet another reason why I love it here. Dad's like the sub teacher who really doesn't care what we do as long as we don't burn the place down.
We have women and men of true intelligence, insight, and wisdom. We just pay no attention to them.
I actually think I get quite a bit of attention here.
(You forgot "beauty," pal.)
Hey, I got my PhD in Assholery from there!
Did you graduate magna cum rectum?
I'm just now finding out: Maine republican caucuses today
http://www.politico.com/
picture of mitt on the front page. He looks like shit.
Lord, I do loathe military dilletants, especially those who obviously have not studied so much as a paragraph of military history...and clearly have never worn a uniform in their entire fucking lives
You and me both.
Lord, I do loathe military dilletants, especially those who obviously have not studied so much as a paragraph of military history...and clearly have never worn a uniform in their entire fucking lives.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Like I said: they don't know their asses from their elbows.
I don't have any of the above, but I do try to help my students make sense of the world around them. And when I figure it out myself, you'll be the first to know.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Stuff AND nonsense, and I for one would never aspire to public intellectual status, simply because I don't like the distortions required by public positions. I admire such people (MLK, Reinhold Niebuhr, to name two Americans), but I can't do it. I prefer one-on-efforts. The "unsung" stuff.
Which I know you excel at, Madame, and I will brook no contradiction on the point!
dave™© ...
Holy crap, the comments are hilarious. Lighten up, Francis!
I want Mitt and Hucksterbee to stay in the race as long as possible.
I want the Repugs to beat one another bloody.
She's got that pedantic "I've got everything figured out" sort of gestalt around here that drives me nuts, because for all her pretension, she just exudes pure bullshit in copious quantities.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
The more you know, the less certain you are.
A corollary to Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle.
I think... Probably..
Want me to turn the web cam on? I'm painting ...
Oh, baby - you KNOW what I like!!!
Lord, I do loathe military dilletants, especially those who obviously have not studied so much as a paragraph of military history...and clearly have never worn a uniform in their entire fucking lives.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.02.08 - 1:30 pm | #
Paging Fred Kagan.
Victor David Hanson is in the lobby with some sweaty gladiator movies on DVD.
Did you graduate magna cum rectum?
That was Bill Kristol.
If I were to based my opinion on the Clinton and Obama ads I have seen here in the Lou, I'd have to say go for Obama.
Hillary has some cheesy commercial of a parachutist falling out of the sky (economy) while Obama has excerpts of an inspirational speech.
smarty jones
That's the problem, I don't want to be inspired, I want a gov't that works.
Did you graduate magna cum rectum?
No, summa cum lately.
Still, in mid February 2003 every single talking head I saw on the TV sounded like Flounder in Animal House ("this is going to be sooo great!") about the upcoming invasion. The sound track to every news show was like listening to "Tusk" by the USC band, and then Paglia comes on and says this is like a bad bad omen in ancient history and this is going to turn out badly. I thought it was weirdly interesting. But, guess she was totally wrong on that prediction.
Wow, I never go there, so I had no idea the place attracted so many humorless idiots.
It's like an entire convention of Margaret Dumonts...
dave™©
dave™© ...
Holy crap, the comments are hilarious. Lighten up, Francis!
res ipsa loquitur
Aw, leave dave alone; he's on a roll.
Did you graduate magna cum rectum?
That was Bill Kristol.
Following in the footsteps of Mom and Dad.
Oh, baby - you KNOW what I like!!!
dave™©
It's an all-trim day, so if you're digging on precisions ....
Holy crap, the comments are hilarious. Lighten up, Francis!
They were confusing... I don't know if I'm a sexist shill for Hitlery or a super-secret spy for Obama.
In any case, I MUST be troll-rated! And deleted!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!
Lord, I do loathe military dilletants, especially those who obviously have not studied so much as a paragraph of military history...and clearly have never worn a uniform in their entire fucking lives.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Listening to the director of "Taxi to the Dark Side" (nominee for Academy Award, Best Documentary) on Democracy Now! yesterday, told the Lovely Wife this is what happens when men who have never been to war (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush) are put in charge of conducting it.
The director dedicates the film to his father, who was in Naval intelligence in WWII, and who is appalled by the torture in the name of intelligence being conducted now. The military knows this doesn't work, and there will be blowback. But Cheney/Bush/Rummy are "doing whatever it takes." Too many movies, too little experience with consequences. The curse of Old White Men in power.
I'm sick of it.
shawk,
Where're you?
RIL: yhm
No, summa cum lately.
Better than not at all.
Still, in mid February 2003 every single talking head I saw on the TV sounded like Flounder in Animal House ("this is going to be sooo great!")
If only we'd just dropped 10,000 marbles on Iraq...
Go to youtube and search for "Let's Paint."
Peculiarly funny, especially the callers.
I esp. like getting lectured on what is and isn't funny from a group of people proud their paying Mr. Swoosh-GONG! $50k a year to cut and paste jokes from the late-night talk shows...
Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney and Rice shudda sliced open a goat, they wudda gotten better intell and war planning there.
But, guess she was totally wrong on that prediction.
Bad Art | 02.02.08 - 1:33 pm | #
Blind pig etc.
It's an all-trim day, so if you're digging on precisions ....
I love it when you talk dirty!
what happens when men who have never been to war (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush) are put in charge of conducting it.
And then you have McCain, who has been to war, suffered for it and wants to prolong another war.
shawk,
Where're you?
res ipsa loquitur
In Seattle while waiting for some German paperwork to go back to Stuttgart.
The part was done 10 weeks ago.
[mumbles]
That dood from the Great State of Maine? I love that guy!!
/just to drive Trademark Dave insane
The director dedicates the film to his father, who was in Naval intelligence in WWII, and who is appalled by the torture in the name of intelligence being conducted now. The military knows this doesn't work, and there will be blowback.
I should probably blog about this at some point, but that would require starting a blog: re-reading Bright Shining Lie and Hell In A V Small Place, and was struck the other day by Vann's disgust with ARVN torture tactics and how counterproductive they were. One method listed was waterboarding...
I esp. like getting lectured on what is and isn't funny from a group of people proud their paying Mr. Swoosh-GONG! $50k a year to cut and paste jokes from the late-night talk shows...
Welcome to life!
*Deep sigh*
That's the problem, I don't want to be inspired, I want a gov't that works.
Lumpenprolitariot
And if Krugman hadn't convinced me most of the good ideas either Obama or Hillary are spouting came from Edwards, it might be easier to choose. But I fear Obama will be ineffective as an administrator (great, we're inspired! Now fix the damn potholes!), while Hillary, like Bill, will track right once she gets in office.
What to do, O, what to do? Either way, of course, I'm votin' Dem' in November, so....
I esp. like getting lectured on what is and isn't funny from a group of people proud their paying Mr. Swoosh-GONG! $50k a year to cut and paste jokes from the late-night talk shows...
That shit is funny.
I love it when you talk dirty!
If I'm not done by the first day of spring I'm moving out. I've had it.
The sound track to every news show was like listening to "Tusk" by the USC band, and then Paglia comes on and says this is like a bad bad omen in ancient history and this is going to turn out badly. I thought it was weirdly interesting. But, guess she was totally wrong on that prediction.
I did not need to sacrifice a chicken to know that the entire adventure was doomed, because people do not like to be occupied, and if they have any fight left in them (the Iraqis obviously did, where the Germans and Japanese did not) they will proceed to make the lives of the occupiers miserable.
That and actual, trained military professionals said, well in advance, that Rummy and his cast of neocon idiots were charging in with insufficient force to secure a fraction of the things they needed to. This was further underlined when arms dumps were left uprotected because the troops were needed to guard the oil ministry.
Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney and Rice shudda sliced open a goat, they wudda gotten better intell and war planning there.
The pentagon goat was busy with Mickey Kaus.
That dood from the Great State of Maine? I love that guy!!
It's true... I'm intensely jealous.
I dread the day he gets that gig at "The Daily Show" the Kossacks keep talking about. I won't be able to watch anymore, I'll be so enraged!
re-reading Bright Shining Lie and Hell In A V Small Place, and was struck the other day by Vann's disgust with ARVN torture tactics and how counterproductive they were.
Great book. Throwing prisoners out of helicopters also didn't help.
I should probably blog about this at some point, but that would require starting a blog: re-reading Bright Shining Lie and Hell In A V Small Place, and was struck the other day by Vann's disgust with ARVN torture tactics and how counterproductive they were. One method listed was waterboarding...
NTodd, Self-Taught
I come back to Nietzsche's comment on dragons, and I can't get any further.
A winger I used to know once stunned me during Falujah 1, with a rejoinder something like "Obviously, you lack any familiarity with scholarly literature on guerrilla war" when I said that the insurgents fleeing a massive US attack on their stronghold did not necessarily mean they had been defeated.
I count five words in the wingers statement that said winger could probably not spell correctly.
I dread the day he gets that gig at "The Daily Show" the Kossacks keep talking about.
It would be delightfully ironic if he became a scab writer.
people do not like to be occupied, and if they have any fight left in them (the Iraqis obviously did, where the Germans and Japanese did not) they will proceed to make the lives of the occupiers miserable.
Same with the Vietnamese.
One method listed was waterboarding...
A method used by Germans and Japanese during WWII, for which they were convicted of war crimes.
Unfortunately, torturing gratifies pinheads like Chimpy and Big Time.
I gotta get back on the job....later.
This is fun. See if your neighbor or boss is donating money to Ron Paul or Barack. Maybe he or she is a fan of the Mittster.
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.c...d&
search=Search
I fear Obama will be ineffective as an administrator (great, we're inspired! Now fix the damn potholes!), while Hillary, like Bill, will track right once she gets in office.
Good thing that we'll have a reassertive Congress...
I should probably blog about this at some point, but that would require starting a blog: re-reading Bright Shining Lie and Hell In A V Small Place, and was struck the other day by Vann's disgust with ARVN torture tactics and how counterproductive they were. One method listed was waterboarding...
NTodd, Self-Taught | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 1:36 pm | #
The maps returned for recoloring has stuck with me through the years.
He also has a story contrasting the automatic promotion policy of the Vietnam era army with the immediate dismissal of non-performers during WWII.
I come back to Nietzsche's comment on dragons, and I can't get any further.
Because the comment is looking back at you?
It would be delightfully ironic if he became a scab writer.
I don't think even the scabs would take him.
Not that they'd take me. Writing comedy is probably the hardest fucking gig there is.
Also, I have no problem with Mr. Swoosh-Gong taking the money that was thrown at him. He didn't solicit the job. But the guy ain't George S. Kaufman, so stop pretending he is.
Hillary just went up 4 points in the Gallup Poll to 48-41.
Its over, folks.
Hillary will be President.
Good thing that we'll have a reassertive Congress...
Just like the current one!
Wooohooo!!!
Gomez, not so. MOE = 3 +/-
I fear Obama will be ineffective as an administrator (great, we're inspired! Now fix the damn potholes!), while Hillary, like Bill, will track right once she gets in office.
Good thing that we'll have a reassertive Congress...
NTodd, Self-Taught | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 1:42 pm | #
The key, as Hillary gains the nomination, is that the new voters attracted to the Democratic party by Barack are not alienated and come out to the polls in Novemebr. Otherwise, we have McCain for president.
But I fear Obama will be ineffective as an administrator (great, we're inspired! Now fix the damn potholes!), while Hillary, like Bill, will track right once she gets in office.
What to do, O, what to do? Either way, of course, I'm votin' Dem' in November, so....
Rmj, haz theologica
I don't know that she'd track right, she was supposedly against NAFTA among other things.
One method listed was waterboarding...
A method used by Germans and Japanese during WWII, for which they were convicted of war crimes.
And some executed. You know, I am so fed up with this crap about our military. Every politician drools over our military being the best in the world, and our soldiers performing wonderfully. Fuck the military. They suck harder on the government tit than any welfare queen, they follow orders blindly because they get to use their destructive toys, and they can't take responsibility for their own fuck-ups like Abu Ghraib. Peter Pace and that fucking air force general before him were as dumb as shit on a shingle xcpt when sucking some administration cock. I am so tired of this glorification of a blitzkrieg killing machine
Gomez, not so. MOE = 3 +/-
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Its more that she's pulling away and his momentum has stopped.
Its more that she's pulling away and his momentum has stopped.
Ooohhh! I so love a good horse race.
*end snark*
From that HuffPo contribution thing I see that the highly Democratic France family (NASCAR) has thrown about 15K to Giuliani.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Its more that she's pulling away and his momentum has stopped.
Gomez | 02.02.08 - 1:50 pm | #
Oh Gomez, you're such an obvious mark for the woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?
v=kLOnn7BcElQ
I am so fed up with this crap about our military. Every politician drools over our military being the best in the world, and our soldiers performing wonderfully
Well when you spend $500 billion dollars a year you would expect to have something to proudly show for it.
The videos on YouTube and elsewhere of our troops in action, generally look and sound more like a bunch of kids blowing up frogs down at the farm pond. I guess it all can't be hell?
see video: MoveOn.org Pushes the Worst, Ignoring Gravel for President
Hi Eli, you and your organization are doing such a disservice to the American people. You and the people who control MoveOn.org are undermining efforts to end the war. MoveOn pushes candidates who ignore the US Constitution and International Law. Obama openly violates international law by threatening Iran with an attack.
Daily Kos' trolls are also short, overweight and have no graduate degrees. They do not speak French or German and live in the United States. They do not ski and do not know where St Anton is.
Aren't you glad you have me? I raise the quality of the place with my presence
From that HuffPo contribution thing I see that the highly Democratic France family (NASCAR) has thrown about 15K to Giuliani.
The Frances are always a little behind the ball.
Time to hit them with a 12-4-D: Conduct Becoming GOP Dumbasses.
Hillary just went up 4 points in the Gallup Poll to 48-41.
Its over, folks.
Hillary will be President.
Gomez
Well, she has to get the nomination, and then she has to win the election overwhelmingly. And I mean overwhelmingly because I put absolutely nuthin' past John Roberts, Nino Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
All paranoia aside, I want only a Democrat in the White House, Barack, Hillary, anyone who is actually D and not R.
Incidentally, it occurred to me that Barack could do something nobody else could: order an investigation into the Anita Hill charges against Thomas. You know, there were two other women, never called to testify, who had very similar stories about the judge...
Oh Gomez, you're such an obvious mark for the woman.
When I saw the MSM whoring for Obama last weekend, I made up my mind to vote for Hillary. Thanks Tweety. Thank Timmeh. Her enemies convinced me. Then when Senator Blowhard endorsed Obama I became even more sure.
At this point, I'd be happy to see Hitlery sweep Super Tuesday just to watch the Kossacks rip each other into tiny little orange pieces.
But any "national" poll is unreliable at this point - it's not a "national" primary.
Although I'm open to the idea...
And I mean overwhelmingly because I put absolutely nuthin' past John Roberts, Nino Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
Right the RNC lawyers have found a loophole in the Constitution.
It'll be interesting to see them execute it or at least attempt to.
Just heard on NPR: "...if you don't remember dotcoms..."
Are gold rushes forgotten that easily?
dave--please stop with the Hitlery or put it in quotes if it's not your word choice.
Thank you.
You know, there were two other women, never called to testify, who had very similar stories about the judge...
David Derbes, textifyin'
Only if it could lead to getting Thomas impeached from the court or whatever the elimination process would be.
Aren't you glad you have me? I raise the quality of the place with my presence
mimi
Good. Then show us your tits.
The quotes around Hitlery are implied.
I'll say no more on this subject.
Good. Then show us your tits.
Only if they are symmetrical.
Then show us your tits.
I think you mean "moobs."
leibniz speaks for me.
At this point, I'd be happy to see Hitlery sweep Super Tuesday just to watch the Kossacks rip each other into tiny little orange pieces.
That's the spirit.
Good. Then show us your tits.
Gomez |
On and while she's at it, I dropped a quarter behind the sofa. I wonder if she would bend over and see if she could find.
When I saw the MSM whoring for Obama last weekend, I made up my mind to vote for Hillary. Thanks Tweety. Thank Timmeh. Her enemies convinced me. Then when Senator Blowhard endorsed Obama I became even more sure.
Gomez | 02.02.08 - 1:58 pm | #
While I poke fun, I think she will make a good president and I will definitely vote for her in Novemebr.
It's like an entire convention of Margaret Dumonts...
dave™©
I'm like so stealing that....
I'm sure Hillary will go easy on all the nice Democrats that endorsed her opponent.
Trust me.
The term Hitlery reminds me of the Hitler Studies, the field of study of the main character (a faculty member at a small midwestern college) in "White Noise", by Don DeLillo (a most excellent novel).
Then when Senator Blowhard endorsed Obama I became even more sure.
Gomez
My problem is that Obama seems to believe that having the people behind him will force change. Sadly, the people have been against Bush for years and nothing has changed.
If Clinton becomes POTUS I imagine the Repugs and the Right Wing gasbags will call for her impeachment everytime she cackles.
It ain't gonna be pretty. But fuck 'em.
Despite indications that Al Gore will stay neutral in the presidential race, Joshua Green reviews speculation that he may endorse Sen. Barack Obama shortly.
"A well-connected Tennesseean told me two things today that got me thinking about this. The first is that Obama and Gore have been speaking regularly, about every two weeks or so. The second is that, despite this, and despite Tennessee’s primary on Tuesday, Obama has not visited the state since June. It may be simply that he does not plan on competing there. Or it may be that he’s been waiting for a special occasion."
Source:political wire
Gomez, I'm going to troll rate you!!!
time to go out to eat.
be good!
Damn George Bush. Hillary does not speak all that well in front of an audience.
At The Left Coaster, very pessimistic take on Obama's attacks on Hillary's and Edward's healthcare plans (and that damn mailer):
First, Sen. Obama's false and wrong-headed attacks against the Edwards and Clinton healthcare plans have made it virtually certain that universal healthcare for Americans is essentially dead at least until 2012, if not much longer. If Sen. Obama wins the nomination, it would be dead by definition. However, even if he does not win, he has poisoned the well as Krugman rightly points out, and Sen. Clinton☼ will face one false attack ad after another from the GOP and healthcare special interests - using statements and ads that Sen. Obama has run - to destroy her universal healthcare plan. I have a hard time seeing how we get through and pass universal healthcare as a result. (This is not to say Sen. Clinton cannot be successful - maybe she will given she is a fighter - but the bar has been raised even more now).
Second, I see the usual round of Krugman-bashing going on in the comments section of his post by some Obama supporters - who are robotically repeating his talking points without actually thinking about the implications of his position. Since a top Democrat (Sen. Obama) believes that it is wrong for the Government to ask people to pay for their own healthcare (even with substantial subsidies that make it affordable), then except for the kool-aid drinkers, let's be clear on one thing. Republicans will use Sen. Obama himself, repeatedly, to destroy any universal healthcare plan from any Democrat by arguing that it is wrong for the Government to ask citizens to pay for the healthcare of someone else (via taxes).
This is very depressing, if an accurate assessment. Shit. Damn. Crap. Yada yada.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/
011871.php
Aren't you glad you have me? I raise the quality of the place with my presence
mimi
You're a credit to fat bearded Aggie transvestites everywhere.
My problem is that Obama seems to believe that having the people behind him will force change. Sadly, the people have been against Bush for years and nothing has changed.
Lumpenprolitariot | 02.02.08 - 2:07 pm | #
This is more due to the lack of leadership in Congress than the "will of the people". Interestingly enough, both Hillary and Barack (both supposed agents of change) have had enough opportunities to show leadership and have not impressed me with their efforts.
Health insurance is not health care. As far as I'm concerned neither Obama or Hillary have a good plan.
This is very depressing, if an accurate assessment. Shit. Damn. Crap. Yada yada.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/ 011871.php
jawbone
On healthcare why can't Clinton simply say Obama was wrong. PERIOD and move forward.
Reasons Vary, but McCain and Romney Compete for the Same Prize
Mr. Romney, who campaigned before an overflow crowd at a car dealership in Denver, criticized Mr. McCain as knowing little about the economy, and later said that Mr. McCain, although “a man of great character,” had taken positions on key Republican issues that “are not in line with the mainstream of our party.”
Mr. Romney and Mr. McCain also got into a brief stand-off over Mr. McCain’s decision not to debate Mr. Romney on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. Mr. Romney complained of the decision this week.
“We’ve done 16 debates with Romney, and we’re tired of them,” Mr. Black said Friday.
So, Meet the Press was going to have St. McCain on two Sundays in a row?
and McCain refused?
MTP loves McCain!!!!!!!!!
Health insurance is not health care. As far as I'm concerned neither Obama or Hillary have a good plan.
Can you give me a link to a good plan?
it is wrong for the Government to ask citizens to pay for the healthcare of someone else
If you are paying health insurance premiums . . . you are paying for the healthcare of others! It is what insurance is. If you have automobile insurance, you are paying for the car accidents other people have. If you have home insurance, you are paying to rebuild someone else's house.
I'm like so stealing that....
I am honored, suh!
MTP loves McCain!!!!!!!!!
portia
they know has no money so they are trying to even the playing field. So nice of the media.
I forgot to say:
NTodd I had a scorchingly hot dream about you last night. You were very, very good. But then you had all the good tiles!
Health insurance is not health care. As far as I'm concerned neither Obama or Hillary have a good plan.
"Health insurance" is bullshit.
Anything short of universal health care is frankly a national security disaster waiting to happen.
Can you give me a link to a good plan?
Endeavour Morse
Not from any candidates, no. We need something along the lines of the VA, but funded and run better. Is that what European countries and Canada have, where health care comes directly out of federal taxes?
The notion of a for-profit (or even non-profit) insurance middle man adding "value" by processing paperwork is ridiculous.
Can you give me a link to a good plan?
Endeavour Morse
Here is Ron Wyden's plan that is gaining bipartisan support. It isn't perfect, but a great start. One of the best features is that it takes health care out of employment. Think of the freedom so may would feel if they could do the job they wanted w/out concern for health insurance.
http://
www.thehealthcareblog.com...y_wydens_h.html
When I saw the MSM whoring for Obama last weekend, I made up my mind to vote for Hillary. Thanks Tweety. Thank Timmeh. Her enemies convinced me. Then when Senator Blowhard endorsed Obama I became even more sure.
Gomez | 02.02.08 - 1:58 pm | #
If you were on the fence earlier, you did an excellent job of hiding it.
The notion of a for-profit (or even non-profit) insurance middle man adding "value" by processing paperwork is ridiculous.
Feeding a parasite is a bad idea.
This is fun. See if your neighbor or boss is donating money to Ron Paul or Barack. Maybe he or she is a fan of the Mittster.
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.c...d& search=Search
Shared Humanity | 02.02.08 - 1:42 pm | #
looking at my former neighborhood, I see an appalling amount of donations to repubs. Looking at Oakwood, our richest area, there seem to be a surprising number of donations to Dems.
Health insurance is not health care. As far as I'm concerned neither Obama or Hillary have a good plan.
puppethead
Right. We don't pay 'police insurance' do we? You don't pay 'education insurance' without which your child would not go to school.
they know has no money so they are trying to even the playing field. So nice of the media.
qlª
yup, he got a free half hour on MTP on Sunday and then went on to win in FLA. It's so obvious he's their guy.
Shame on the warmongers at NBC!!!
Little story in my paper today says that Russia has a new law that forbids international travel to any Russian who has debt, even down to a traffic fine.
How much you want to bet that Joe Biden (R lite - MBNA) is looking into the possibilities?
If you were on the fence earlier, you did an excellent job of hiding it.
We're all a lot more dense than you are.....
I thought he was for Chris Dodd?
Is that what European countries and Canada have, where health care comes directly out of federal taxes?
Only England has national health care. The others have national health insurance. The lines can be blurred because some health care facilities are government owned. But we have that situation here too.
it is wrong for the Government to ask citizens to pay for the healthcare of someone else
nope, check your pay stub.
I'm in the minority of eschaton members who is not severely critical of the NYT, considering it basically a liberal paper that strays now & then, mainly to continue having a large conservative readership & not to offend its corporate advertisers.
However, today's editorial on the swing back to terrorist suspect protection of basic rights was so far off the mark that it needs to be noted how disgusting an editorial it was. Go to:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/0...tml?
ref=opinion
Gee NTodd certainly does attract some weirdos.
Mimi is just jealous cause I've actually kissed him.
NTodd, your turn.
Is that what European countries and Canada have, where health care comes directly out of federal taxes?
The doctors get paid by the Feds, but, the Provs pay for the admin.
So, in a way, we get taxed twice for it.
Still worth it!
Who is Obama's baby momma?
inquiring minds want to know.
Anything short of universal health care is frankly a national security disaster waiting to happen.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.02.08 - 2:14 pm | #
I'm with you. Everybody knows single payer is the answer and I'm getting damn sick of watching Dems dance around it....
Here is Ron Wyden's plan that is gaining bipartisan support.
Thanks very much for that link. There's a good discussion about that plan.
If approximately 50 million Americans lack health insurance, that means 250 million Americans have it. Getting them to change all at once will be politically impossible. What's nice about Wyden's plan and Hillary's is that they will eventually squeeze the private insurers out of business. They should keep pushing that you take the plan with you so that you can change jobs whenever and that you can't be turned down. These are good selling points to gradually wean people away from what they have now.
These Mariachi Divas on cspan at the HRC rally are cool.
John McCain will not return lost jobs, will never withdraw from Iraq, thinks Russia is still the Soviet Union, and thinks we need to fight some more wars.
All while cutting taxes.
If approximately 50 million Americans lack health insurance, that means 250 million Americans have it.
You only have health insurance until you need it, then your claim gets denied by the insurance company.
it is wrong for the Government to ask citizens to pay for the healthcare of someone else
Nah, it's a social good. If a poor person gets a contagious disease, we're all better off if they get treated. We're all better off if babies are born to healthy moms who got prenatal care because those babies are more likely to be healthy productive members of society who grow up to take care of us in our old age. We're all better off if people don't have to steal medicine or become homeless because they had a medical emergency.
It's wrong for Paris Hilton to have so much inherited wealth that it ruins her life while my friend R can't get a mammogram and so doesn't realize she has breast cancer until it's too late.
Mimi is just jealous cause I've actually kissed him.
And you haven't wiped your lips ever since...
inquiring minds want to know.
pud | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 2:20 pm | #
Interestingly, most of them want to know if you can find your tiny syphilitic dick with a microscope.
At The Left Coaster, very pessimistic take on Obama's attacks on Hillary's and Edward's healthcare plans (and that damn mailer):
jawbone |
Yep, I found the Obama mailer terrible because it undermines the universal health care effort by using Repub talking points. And, no, I don't have a dog in the fight.
"There is a solution for every obstacle"
I got it from the Justice League character "The Karate Kid"
This other guy Cam a young superhero goes, "Where did you get that? From the motivational poster in the break room?"
HA! Not exactly adult swim, but still pretty snarky funny.
It's wrong for Paris Hilton to have so much inherited wealth that it ruins her life while my friend R can't get a mammogram and so doesn't realize she has breast cancer until it's too late.
Word.
And how is your friend doing? I remember you were with her in the hospital.
You only have health insurance until you need it, then your claim gets denied by the insurance company.
This right here, quite aside from the millions not covered by insurance, is the problem.
Denial of claims because it denies the CEO of some insurance company a new BMW this week is the central problem of the current system, in which people think they are covered by insurance, but they are not.
As far as I'm concerned, the private health insurance industry is a gigantic scam, designed to take money from the productive and give it to parasites.
You only have health insurance until you need it, then your claim gets denied by the insurance company.
puppethead | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 2:23 pm | #
I have personal experience of this. I went in for a colonoscopy and had several polyps removed (precancerous). I had just previously changed jobs and they denied coverage because it was a pre-existing condition.
I am not sure how they found out (they must have been talking to my wife.) that I've always been an asshole.
And how is your friend doing? I remember you were with her in the hospital.
Thanks for asking. It doesn't look good; the cancer has spread pretty far. They're going to try chemo and hope for the best. She's the only child of a mom w/ alzheimers. Worked all her life until 3 years ago when she quit to take care of her mom. No insurance. No mammogram. But Goddess forfend that Paris Hilton pay a "death" tax.
We're all better off if babies are born to healthy moms who got prenatal care because those babies are more likely to be healthy productive members of society who grow up to take care of us in our old age. We're all better off if people don't have to steal medicine or become homeless because they had a medical emergency.
Because preventative care is less expensive than corrective care. Every fucking time.
All we're doing with the current system is assuring that the uninsured will flood emergency rooms for maladies that could have been nipped in the bud far sooner.
I'm a strong backer of a single payer system but I realize why our Democratic candidates don't support it - they'd get mugged to death by the Repubs & the health industry for proposing it. So, the best tack is to sponsor a system where there is a Medicare option, which should over time result in a single payer system.
All we're doing with the current system is assuring that the uninsured will flood emergency rooms for maladies that could have been nipped in the bud far sooner
Exactly.
Asking that question about healthcare is the same as asking about public education. What good is public education, I don't have any children so why should I care?
If you have to ask the question, then any explanation will probably not suffice.
The pre-ordained candidate of AtriosWorld is again shown to be a liar:
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrele...?
articleId=1641
The pre-ordained candidate of AtriosWorld is again shown to be a liar:
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrele...? articleId=1641
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:31 pm | #
Fairly damning evidence and why I will be voting for Barack on Tuesday.
Asking that question about healthcare is the same as asking about public education. What good is public education, I don't have any children so why should I care?
If you have to ask the question, then any explanation will probably not suffice.
DWD, you're right. And it never occurs to the folks who ask that question that it's in their own interest for, oh, I don't know, the young doctor who's going to be treating their heart attack 20 years from now to have gotten a good education. And the young mechanic working on their car, the plumber fixing their plumbing, the air traffic controller guiding the plane they're on to landing, etc. etc. etc. I want those kinds of folks to have had the best damn education available.
Elias, eat shit and die.
It doesn't look good.
Medical care for profit is like police protection for profit.
Nice little body you got there. I wouldn't want to see anything happen to it. Accidents can happen, you know. Capiche?
All we're doing with the current system is assuring that the uninsured will flood emergency rooms for maladies that could have been nipped in the bud far sooner
Ding, ding, ding, ding!
I'm having a hard time understanding the deepening antagonisms between the Hillary & Obama supporters here. Both are running as centrists so its more personality & campaigning style differences than anything else.
Asking that question about healthcare is the same as asking about public education. What good is public education, I don't have any children so why should I care?
Easy.
I ask them if THEY got an education.
shawk | 02.02.08 - 2:34 pm |
Exactackily!
The pre-ordained candidate of AtriosWorld
I'll have a few grams of whatever he's smoking.
We're all a lot more dense than you are.....
I thought he was for Chris Dodd?
Shared Humanity | 02.02.08 - 2:16 pm | #
He's been quite stridently anti-obama and pro-Hillary as far as I can remember.
It's interesting to me that in the US, I have a Social Security account. In Canada I have Social Insurance....
I also am looking forward to receiving my Old Age Pension, just for the complete lack of euphemism.
DWD, you're right. And it never occurs to the folks who ask that question that it's in their own interest for, oh, I don't know, the young doctor who's going to be treating their heart attack 20 years from now to have gotten a good education. And the young mechanic working on their car, the plumber fixing their plumbing, the air traffic controller guiding the plane they're on to landing, etc. etc. etc. I want those kinds of folks to have had the best damn education available.
The illusion, the fantasy, of the "rugged individual" continues to cloud the minds of so many.
These are otherwise intelligent people who do not appreciate how very fragile our society is, how interdependent we are.
I'm having a hard time understanding the deepening antagonisms between the Hillary & Obama supporters here........
Antagonisms? Yes. Deepening? No. I think that most will vote for whoever wins. (Except for pud, who will furiously be working to get an erection lost when he suddenly realizes that a Democrat will be President.)
The bulk of the population that doesn't support universal healthcare are, mainly, focusing on their narrow self interest in the present moment. They can not project to a situation where, because of a change in fortunes, they won't have health insurance. Its that simple.
"Elias, eat shit and die."
Extremely articulate of you, but exactly how does it repute the fact that Clinton is spreading the same lie the fascists have been spreading for the past 8 yrs?
This is very depressing, if an accurate assessment. Shit. Damn. Crap. Yada yada.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/ 011871.php
jawbone
It seems a totally confused assessment. Even if what they say about Obama's critique is correct, and it is not, the idea that the Republicans need someone to explain how to attack health insurance mandates is silly.
The bulk of the population that doesn't support universal healthcare are, mainly, focusing on their narrow self interest in the present moment. They can not project to a situation where, because of a change in fortunes, they won't have health insurance. Its that simple.
It's the obsession with the short term over the longer term, and it dominates the mindset of just about everyone in this society. Quick fixes that seem to solve the problem, but in reality just postpone the reckoning.
Clinton is spreading the same lie the fascists....
Get a life, please!
I am getting fired up about my project but I need help. I am asking anyone who has a story or a link to share to please let me know. I have created a special account for accumulating this information. (I will sharing some of the more interesting tidbits as I come across them. So far I have only found one media elite who ever darkened the doors of a public school - the rest were ALL privately educated at tony prep schools. Do you think this might have something to do with how schools are reported on in the media?)
At any rate. This is the email address for the project: newzelite@comcast.net
Please pass it around. I promise to share the "glory" although I can pretty promise there won't be very much.
Hecate,
I'm sorry about your friend and that whole thing about leaving work to take care of her mother is just tragic.
Someone the other day was using the phrase "moral hazard" which I believe is the faulty reasoning that 'If we give all these deadbeats healthcare they will use it willy nilly. When in fact most people DON'T use healthcare that way. It's not like they are offering free dessert with each visit.
Am I right in using that term? I frankly don't think it is the best one not memorable enough or descriptive for what it means. I want to come up with a better phrase to explain that.
I believe that if we get health care for everyone we will see an expansion in entrepreneurship that will be stunning. It will help the US compete Globally and I think that someone should really consider that argument. I haven't seen anyone use it yet, have any of you?
The pre-ordained candidate of AtriosWorld is again shown to be a liar
Yes, we all have been on the same page, fanatically backing the same candidate for MONTHS!
On and while she's at it, I dropped a quarter behind the sofa. I wonder if she would bend over and see if she could find.
Bullwinkle is a Dope
I dropped a euro behind the love seat...
Quick fixes that seem to solve the problem, but in reality just postpone the reckoning.
Apprentice
Yeah, but sound just so good. And they fit on a bumper sticker. Just good common sense. Everyone knows...
Comment by Elias blocked.
How about, "You can killfile me, AND killfile the bullshit, too!"
DWD, please explain this project, I wasn't here earlier.
I'm having a hard time understanding the deepening antagonisms between the Hillary & Obama supporters here........
Antagonisms? Yes. Deepening? No. I think that most will vote for whoever wins.
Shared Humanity
Well, the rhetoric has been getting much more heated the past week. I agree, almost all will vote for the ultimate candidate but I'm puzzled when its 2 centrist candidates squaring off.
Do you think this might have something to do with how schools are reported on in the media?
Yes.
This has been.......
LEAVE MIMI ALONE!
Extremely articulate of you, but exactly how does it repute the fact that Clinton is spreading the same lie the fascists have been spreading for the past 8 yrs?
English as a second language, eh?
"Get a life, please!"
Succinct, powerful, thought provoking, and just plain original...
...but precisely how does it repute the fact that both Clintons and their administration officials have continued this lie since the 98 bombing?
?
Yes, we all have been on the same page, fanatically backing the same candidate for MONTHS!
DWD
Don't forget the Wallaces. Pere on 60 minutes and son on Faux News.
Tucker Carlson, heir to the Swanson fortune from mom and dad former prez of PBS.
ErinPDX,
I want to take forty top "News" people in both print, TV, and radio and explain their backgrounds, connections, lifestyles, and therefore their perspectives.
It is going to take a bit of digging but there is a lot of information out there. I learned, for example, that Charles Gibson and Brit Hume are BFF. I thought that fascinating.
The pre-ordained candidate of AtriosWorld is again shown to be a liar:
http://www.accuracy.org/newsrele...? articleId=1641
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:31 pm | #
I agree that sucks. Compared to everything Bush has done for the last seven years, though, not so much.
I believe that if we get health care for everyone we will see an expansion in entrepreneurship that will be stunning. It will help the US compete Globally and I think that someone should really consider that argument. I haven't seen anyone use it yet, have any of you?
Sp ocko
I've said the same thing to anyone who will listen. Just think of all the pent up creativity out there.
Yes, we all have been on the same page, fanatically backing the same candidate for MONTHS!
Who among us does not support Rufus T. Firefly for president?
Well, the rhetoric has been getting much more heated the past week. I agree, almost all will vote for the ultimate candidate but I'm puzzled when its 2 centrist candidates squaring off.
Carter | 02.02.08 - 2:44 pm | #
A lot of it is due to the stakes. If the Democratic candidate does not win, the possibility of the USA pulling out of the tail spin is even more remote.
The illusion, the fantasy, of the "rugged individual" continues to cloud the minds of so many.
These are otherwise intelligent people who do not appreciate how very fragile our society is, how interdependent we are.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.02.08 - 2:38 pm | #
This is true to some degree but I believe the root cause of the antagonism towards any social programs is selfishness - pure and simple. These people do not care what happens to the other. This attitude is supported by politicians who want to use it to their advantage.
I'm sorry to read about your friend Hecate. I'll hope for the best for her and work to elect politicians who support universal health care.
Yes, we all have been on the same page, fanatically backing the same candidate for MONTHS!
NTodd, Self-Taught | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 2:43 pm | #
I seldom agree with anything you say and, when I do, I disagree with how you say it.
LEAVE MIMI ALONE!
Mr.Murder
Why?
I seldom agree with anything you say and, when I do, I disagree with how you say it.
He should be reputed!
Elias:
Sorry, can't put it any simpler than that.
I seldom agree with anything you say and, when I do, I disagree with how you say it.
Big fuck deal.
Barack Obama is on my TV. I repute him.
Would some kind soul explain to me what BFF stands for. I get to ... best friend.
"Yes, we all have been on the same page, fanatically backing the same candidate for MONTHS!"
I'd wager that over the past year or so, the overwhelming sentiment here has been with the Clintons...
...but that's just me...
Quilt Lady,
I just added them. Good call. There is no shortage of "targets" is there?
BTW, I was going to tell you this yesterday but in my euphoria I forgot. Young DWD WANTS to be a probation officer for the courts. That is his background and where he did his internship. In Michigan those jobs are all part of the Depart of Corrections. In order to be considered a person has to have the initial training that lasts two months. Once you receive that, you might be a corrections officer for a short amount of time. But you MUST receive that training.
I've said the same thing to anyone who will listen. Just think of all the pent up creativity out there.
ErinPDX | 02.02.08 - 2:47 pm | #
Tying people to jobs is a feature of the current system, not a bug. One of the themes of 70's era conservative intellectuals was that the middle class prosperity of the 1960s encouraged too much dissent and not enough fearful obedience.
I'd wager that over the past year or so, the overwhelming sentiment here has been with the Clintons...
...but that's just me...
Elias
Let's see the cash.
Carter Best Friends Forever
I seldom agree with anything you say and, when I do, I disagree with how you say it.
As I said before:
Welcome to life!
Elias, you would be wrong. Quite wrong.
Edwards comes first. Even Atrios said in as much he was supporting anyone it would be Edwards.
then Kucinech
I'd wager that over the past year or so, the overwhelming sentiment here has been with the Clintons...
You'd owe us a lot of money. But then you're a moron who doesn't know the difference between repute and refute.
seldom agree with anything you say and, when I do, I disagree with how you say it.
Big fuck deal.
NTodd, Self-Taught | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 2:49 pm | #
This is my point! It should be "Big fuckin deal!" you ass whipe.
...but that's just me...
Elias
Sorry, can't resist. Yep, that is just you.
The Boosh Stimulus package:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=B...feature=related
I'd wager that over the past year or so, the overwhelming sentiment here has been with the Clintons...
You would be pretty much 100% fucking wrong.
I'd wager that over the past year or so, the overwhelming sentiment here has been with the Clintons...
You'd lose that bet. With that said I will support the candidate the Dems pick - as will everyone here. By support I mean giving the maximum allowed by law and volunteering for phone calling and poll watching so this fucking nightmare can end once and for all.
Carter Best Friends Forever
DWD -
Gracias
Yes, we all have been on the same page, fanatically backing the same candidate for MONTHS!
We all now take our orders from NTodd, man. Saying fuck a lot did the trick.
Kucinich is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
But you MUST receive that training.
DWD
Good for him. I have a passing knowledge of the DoC in NYS and worked with some parole people. It's a really tough gig but the people are incredibly dedicated to what they do.
Would some kind soul explain to me what BFF stands for. I get to ... best friend.
Best friend forever.
Okay.. getting ready to head into the city for the traditional saturday night quaffing of elitist chardonnay with my satanic commie pals.
Have fun, and talk to you all later this evening....
Kucinich is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
Richard | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 2:53 pm | #
You left out "modest", republican apologist.
Kucinich is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most goddamned wonderful motherfucker I've ever known in my life.
FYT.
Okay.. getting ready to head into the city for the traditional saturday night quaffing of elitist chardonnay with my satanic commie pals.
Blue bird special?
We all now take our orders from NTodd, man.
Jawohl, mein Wanker!
On to Glory!
Zeig NTodd!!!
ErinPDX | 02.02.08 - 2:47 pm
Good. And by anyone use it I'm talking about Presidential canidates. Of course YOU would say something like that, you are wonderful, smart and probably smell nice too!
If you see anyone of the candidates talking this way (BO or HRC) let me know please. I would like to have a reference to it.
Poland agrees to house missles for US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/
7223568.stm
"Elias:
Sorry, can't put it any simpler than that."
Mere wit? I think not.
Cynical without being overly sarcastic? Maybe for the Atios amateur.
Magical in it's utter rhetorical devastation (some even refer to it as "the literary 'Shock & Awe' of this generation")and generally acknowledged as the greatest put down ever? Need I say more?
But, I was just wondering, exactly how does it refute the fact that Clinton is a proven liar who continues to redraw history as the Clintons see fit?
!
Hummm!!!
Time to take a nap.
bbl.
We all now take our orders from NTodd, man. Saying fuck a lot did the trick.
Not just re politics, either. I let the man dictate my entire existence. NTodd, what should I drink tonight?
Poland agrees to house missles for US
Hitler only had to drive a few miles to invade the Poland. We are doing it from thousands of miles away.
DWD I sent you a link via email about George W. Bush's golfing buddy Bob Schieffer.
But, I was just wondering, exactly how does it refute the fact that Clinton is a proven liar who continues to redraw history as the Clintons see fit?
What? I get no credit for pointing out your obvious error? I'm hurt. Why, it seems you are trying to act as if you never made that mistake.
Jawohl, mein Wanker!
Eine Stadt für tausend Jahre!
Reprise:
But, I was just wondering, exactly how does it refute the fact that Clinton is a proven liar who continues to redraw history as the Clintons see fit?
We are all liars at one time or another.
Refute that, please!
NTodd, what should I drink tonight?
[bites hole in tongue]
Whatever you feel like tonight, darling. It's my day off.
I can walk!
Elias, how much of the popular vote do you guess your sainted candidate will garner this year?
Why does Senator Clinton lie about her sex change operation?
At any rate. This is the email address for the project: newzelite@comcast.net
Um, Walter Cronkite? "Born in St. Joseph, Missouri, in November 1916, long-time CBS-TV News
anchorman Walter Leland Cronkite, Jr., was raised in Houston, Texas. He went to Houston's
San Jacinto High School. In 1933, he became a student at the University of Texas."
Whitehall and attended Montana State College Chet Huntley? "Huntley was born in Cardwell, Montana. He graduated from Whitehall High School in in Bozeman and Cornish College of the Arts in Seattle before graduating from the University of Washington in 1934." David Brinkley? "Brinkley was born in Wilmington NC, where he began writing for a local newspaper, the Wilmington Morning Star, while still attending New Hanover High School. He attended the Univ of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Emory University and Vanderbilt University , before entering service in the US Army. " Peter Jennings? "hen he was 11, Jennings started attending Trinity College School in Port Hope
Ontario, where he excelled in sports. After the CBC moved his father to its Ottawa headquarters in the early 1950s, Jennings transferred to Lisgar Collegiate Institute. He struggled academically, and Jennings later surmised that it was out of "pure boredom" that he failed 10th grade and dropped out. "I loved girls," he said. "I loved comic books. And for reasons I don't understand, I was pretty lazy." Jennings then briefly attended Carleton University, where he says he "lasted about 10 minutes" before dropping out." Marvin & Bernard Kalb? "City College of New York." John Chancellor? "University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign in 1949. Originally a reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times, he first started his career in national television news as a correspondent on NBC's evening newscast, the Huntley-Brinkley Report." Damned elitists. State Universities and North Dakota.
But, I was just wondering, exactly how does it refute the fact that Clinton is a proven liar who continues to redraw history as the Clintons see fit?
[..]
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:57 pm | #
And so? She's a liar (she is a politician), she has a terrible record on Iraq, she is an apologist for Bill's terrible record on Iraq, and so what? What are we supposed to do? Weep? Gnash teeth? Endorse Angela Davis?
Beggars can't be choosers.
"You'd owe us a lot of money. But then you're a moron who doesn't know the difference between repute and refute."
You obviously tried to refute my statement by reputedly accusing me of not knowing the difference.
Cool.
I think there's a word for that:
Mistaken?
?
Trools. Heh.
NTodd, what should I drink tonight?
[bites hole in tongue]
Whatever you feel like tonight, darling. It's my day off.
NTodd
OK, which one of you MF'ers is namestealing NTodd?
Because there's no way he passed up that opportunity.
"You would be pretty much 100% fucking wrong."
Given the reaction here, you sure you want to stick with that?
I can walk!
I should watch that today.
GWPDA,
And these are part of the CURRENT media elite that are ruling the airwaves?
I know what you are saying and have purposely been avoiding them in my consideration for the very reasons you cite.
But THEY are NOT the problem, are they?
The best argumewnt I've seen against Obama's opt-out "plan" for health care is that if you can opt out of Social Security it would be relegated to the dustbin...
contribution defined plans, etc.
You obviously tried to refute my statement by reputedly accusing me of not knowing the difference.
No, I refuted your statement by refuting it. Your statement was self-refuting. And my accusation was not reputed.
Please tell me that it would be stupid to pay twenty bucks to "upgrade" my ipod touch...
"You would be pretty much 100% fucking wrong."
Given the reaction here, you sure you want to stick with that?
Stephanie Miller has a wonderful little ditty that is running through my head right now, and it goes a little something like this:
[clears throat]
You are an idiot
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Is TCM showing Strangelove?
I should watch that today.
NTodd, Thread Führer
DWD, I know your color gravatar was a lighthouse; and I think you've said the black-and-white is a lighthouse, too -- but I sure see a breast at lower right.
Upgrade it to what, a JetPack Touch?
off to rip some LPs.
Later Folks!
Res I would suggest a bubbly Diet Coke. I know NTodd is large and in charge but if he can't give you a drink order today I'll suggest the chemical filled diet beverage I like. (Although I like mine best with hint of the lime chemical.)
V-wanna let me get my revenge?
Plantsman,
It is a howling wolf.
The best argumewnt I've seen against Obama's opt-out "plan" for health care is that if you can opt out of Social Security it would be relegated to the dustbin...
contribution defined plans, etc.
Mr.Murder | 02.02.08 - 3:05 pm | #
Well, it is not 1930, the contribution requested is more money, the government is already on the hook for emergency room treatment of the uninsured, and the public overwhelmingly wants insurance and has a lot of negatives about mandates. Otherwise, it's a perfectly good analogy.
Class, let's try this again:
"reputed" = alleged. Ex :"The 'reputed' head of the crime family."
"refuted" = proved false. Ex: "I just 'refuted' the statement that I used the term 'refuted' mistakenly."
)))))))))
"You would be pretty much 100% fucking wrong."
Given the reaction here, you sure you want to stick with that?
Yup. Crawl back under your rock, you fuckwitted beetle-twaddler.
black-and-white is a lighthouse, too -- but I sure see a breast at lower right.
plantsman
maybe he meant headlight?
Pretty much, plantsman.
V-wanna let me get my revenge?
qlª
Sure, but there might be a nap interlude at some point.
Okay. They're real small on my browser.
You got $20 bucks? Get Happy!
Plantsman,
A bigger picture of the gravatar
http://img.photobucket.com/album...20001/
Wolf2.jpg
and if you are interested: Mrs DWD, the dogs, and me walking in the woods.
http://img.photobucket.com/album...01/bobvon-
2.jpg
Is TCM showing Strangelove?
Dunno. I've got in on DVD.
"I just 'refuted' the statement that I used the term 'refuted' mistakenly."
Elias, go back and read your libels. You incorrectly used "repute" when you should have used "refute", you idiot. And you didn't use it once. You used it twice.
Spokesperson for Darcy speaks:
Sandeep was not speaking for Darcy or for the campaign when he said what he said. If we are going to reclaim our country and right its course, it will take a broad-based movement, including the blogs, working together to get it done.
We are truly sorry that a part-time political consultant associated with this campaign said things to a college student which reflects poorly on Darcy and her campaign. Please know that they do not reflect her views.
We hope for you continued support and please feel free to contact the campaign at anytime.
"Any journalists interested in fact-checking Senator Clinton's claim that 'We bombed them for days in 1998 because Saddam Hussein threw out inspectors' would be well-advised to stick to relying on the original reportage of what occurred in December 1998. Since then, a self-referential myth has developed in retrospective news coverage of those events, with journalists and politicians alike frequently recycling the false assertion that the four-year absence of U.N. inspectors from Iraq began when Saddam kicked them out of the country."
It's a zombie lie that the political establishment are only to willing to keep undead.
That doesn't mean Hillary Clinton = George Bush.
You got $20 bucks? Get Happy!
Heh..."20 Dollar" by M.I.A. just came on.
Is that a sign? Better consult with Zapette.
(btw: the upgrade includes email interface, google map stuff, and stock ticker. i don't have any money in the stock market, so...)
Not just re politics, either. I let the man dictate my entire existence. NTodd, what should I drink tonight?
res ipsa loquitur
yep, we're all NTodd's bitches
The best argumewnt I've seen against Obama's opt-out "plan" for health care is that if you can opt out of Social Security it would be relegated to the dustbin...
Opt-out or means-testing = making it an entitlement program.
GWPDA,
Is this "media elite" enough for you?
Mary Martha Corinne Morrison Claiborne Boggs,
Born Mary Martha Corinne Morrison Claiborne Boggs, Roberts graduated from the Stone Ridge School outside Washington, D.C. in 1960 and then Wellesley College in 1964. She is the daughter of former Ambassador and Representative Lindy Boggs and Hale Boggs, a long-time Democratic Congressman from Louisiana who was Majority Leader until his presumed death in 1972 after the aircraft he was flying in disappeared without a trace over Alaska. Her sister, the late Barbara Boggs Sigmund, was mayor of Princeton, New Jersey and a candidate for U.S. Senate from New Jersey. Her brother Tommy Boggs is a Washington, D.C. attorney and lobbyist
"They're passing the Presidency around like a party joint - it goes from the Bushes to Clinton, back to Bushes . . . " - MOS DEF
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber...r.com/node/
5557
yep, we're all NTodd's bitches
Which I must say is quite tiring. So fetch me an eclair.
And a 1: "Elias, eat shit and die."
Extremely articulate of you, but exactly how does it repute the fact that Clinton is spreading the same lie the fascists have been spreading for the past 8 yrs?
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:41 pm | #
And a 2:"Get a life, please!"
Succinct, powerful, thought provoking, and just plain original...
...but precisely how does it repute the fact that both Clintons and their administration officials have continued this lie since the 98 bombing?
?
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:46 pm | #
Doh.
If I hear one more Republican say that the troops in Iraq are defending our freedom
Are they still saying that? That is so 2004!
"Yup. Crawl back under your rock, you fuckwitted beetle-twaddler."
Intellectually lazy, very disappointing...
...I thought you would have known that beetles prefer damp, wooded underbrush as opposed to more the harsher rock formation?
But, hey, with an imagination like that, who really cares!
@
How about this one?
Charles "Charlie" deWolf Gibson
Born in Evanston, Illinois, Gibson moved to Washington, D.C., when he was 12. He attended the prestigious Sidwell Friends School, a private college-preparatory school in the city. Gibson graduated from Princeton University where he was news director for the university radio station, WPRB-FM and a member of Princeton Tower Club. He now serves on Princeton's Board of Trustees.
Why does Ann Coulter lie about her sex change operation?
Elias
Fixed your poodle.
Intellectually lazy, very disappointing...
You really aren't worth the energy beyond insults since you are, in fact, wrong about Hillary support here yet you insist on continuing to make yourself an ass.
Intellectually lazy, very disappointing...
You are quite superior to every other poster who ever has posted here.
Is that what you want to hear? Don't care much about the election, just wants your props?
Or this?
Will was born in Champaign, Illinois, the son of Frederick L. Will and Louise Hendrickson Will.[1] Fred was a respected professor of philosophy, specializing in epistemology, at the University of Illinois.
George graduated from University Laboratory High School of Urbana, Illinois, and attended Trinity College, in Hartford, Connecticut (B.A.). He received his M.A. from the University of Oxford and his Ph.D. in politics from Princeton University.
Blitzer (wikipedia)
Wolf Blitzer, who has the same first name as his maternal grandfather,[1] grew up in Buffalo, New York, the son of Jewish refugees from Poland. Blitzer graduated from Kenmore West Senior High School and received a B.A. degree in history from the University at Buffalo in 1970. While there, he was a brother of Alpha Epsilon Pi. In 1972, he received an M.A. degree in international relations from the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.
Tweety:
native, is a Roman Catholic of Irish descent who attended St. Christophers elementary school in Somerton and La Salle College High School. He is a 1967 graduate of the College of the Holy Cross, and did graduate work in economics at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Matthews served in the Peace Corps in Swaziland from 1968 to 1970 as a trade development advisor. In 2005 he was hospitalized with malaria, which he evidently contracted on one of his visits that year to Africa or the Middle East.
yep, we're all NTodd's bitches
Not me. Granola eating, maple syrup drinking, tree hugging, pet hoarding fucker.
...I thought you would have known that beetles prefer damp, wooded underbrush as opposed to more the harsher rock formation?
You also have a reading comprehension problem. You live under the rock. And you twaddle beetles.
Intellectually lazy, very disappointing...
Somebody came here for intellectual stimulation?
Of course, they're gonna be disappointed!
More fart jokes, please.
I'm looking forward to having an intellectually lazy Sunday tomorrow.
They're passing the Presidency around like a party joint - it goes from the Bushes to Clinton, back to Bushes . . . " - MOS DEF
Hey man......quit bogarting....
More fart jokes, please.
You just pulled someone's finger, didn't you?
For a man with a PhD in politics, George Will is an extraordinarily stupid stupid man.
He's been kissing Chimpy's smelly red monkey butt for the last 7 years.
Hilllary on live now.
Reminding people Bobby Kennedy endorsed her. Junior, that is.
Now citing Cesar Chavez.
Says she was very proud of what Kennedy did. But it wasn't her campaign. Oh well
Now saying Cesar Chavez's grandson has endorsed her.
I'm looking forward to having an intellectually lazy Sunday tomorrow.
Oh, we're doing intellectually lazy tomorrow?
Intellectually lazy, very disappointing...
Intellectual discussions are down the hall.
This is Beat a Motherfuckin' Dumbass Troll Room.
And a 1: "Elias, eat shit and die."
Extremely articulate of you, but exactly how does it repute the fact that Clinton is spreading the same lie the fascists have been spreading for the past 8 yrs?
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:41 pm | #
Ah yes, you've caught me old boy. I sometimes do that when under overwhelming attack for attacking a Clinton, who doesn't have any support here...
My apologies.
)
You just pulled someone's finger, didn't you?
TOGA...TOGA...TOGA...2000!!
V-your move
ZAP! PULL MY FINGER!
On his nationally syndicated radio show this week, right-wing talker Neal Boortz attacked victims of Hurricane Katrina, saying that “the disaster that followed” was not “George Bush’s fault” because, in Boortz’ mind, “the primary blame goes on the worthless parasites who lived in New Orleans who you — couldn’t even wipe themselves, let alone get out of the way of the water when that levee broke.” Earlier in the same show, Boortz claimed that “when these Katrina so-called refugees were scattered about the country, it was just a glorified episode of putting out the garbage.”
Now there's a man eaten up by racist hatred.
Well, at least Leslie went to public school. So far that is two that I have found.
This is Beat a Motherfuckin' Dumbass Troll Room.
Great, wheres the trolls?
Brandine!! Fetch mah scatter gun!!
Now saying Cesar Chavez's grandson has endorsed her.
Hmmm. I live five blocks from Cesar Chavez Avenue.
Is that an endorsement?
I sometimes do that when under overwhelming attack for attacking a Clinton, who doesn't have any support here...
Ah, goal posts move!
We are we reading the ed credits of pundits? Just curious.
Elias thinks my attacking him for being a dishonest hack is equivalent to defending Clinton. Is it not more likely I was insulted at being called a Clinton supporter and was thus motivated to refute the dishonest greenshirt fuck?
Chimpy coasted through a Harvard MBA and he's the dumbest fuck to ever darken the White House door.
ZAP! PULL MY FINGER!
Great...NTodd's the creepy Grandpa from Sixteen Candles.
I sometimes do that when under overwhelming attack for attacking a Clinton, who doesn't have any support here...
Backflip! Six points.
Is it not more likely I was insulted at being called a Clinton supporter and was thus motivated to refute the dishonest greenshirt fuck?
Seems likely to this Kucinich supporter.
Russert:
Born in Buffalo, New York to Irish American Catholic parents, Russert is an alum of Canisius High School in Buffalo, New York and a graduate of John Carroll University and Cleveland-Marshall College of Law at Cleveland State University. A
"You also have a reading comprehension problem. You live under the rock. And you twaddle beetles."
So you're accusing me of living in an environment that doesn't sustain my sustenance? That's not very Darwinian of you. I feel bad.
;-(
Chimpy has moved the goalpoasts for Iraq so far back that they're in the locker room now.
Great...NTodd's the creepy Grandpa from Sixteen Candles.
Just practicing. I've already got the dirty old man part down pat, so I'm trying to grow.
native, is a Roman Catholic of Nazi descent who attended Goebels elementary school in Nuremberg and Idaho Aryan High School. He is a 1957 graduate of the College of the Holy Joe McCarthy, and did graduate work in propaganda at the University of Power of the Will in Waco. Buchanon served in the Wolf Corps in Argentina ...
CoT,
My fault. I am thinking of writing a book on the media elite and how they really have very little to do with us common foke. I even have set up a special email account where people can send links or stories they run into while reading on the web. It is. newzelite@comcast.net
I was just demonstrating to the honorable doctor of history that, yes, Walter Cronkite and Chet Huntley et al were honorable men who took their profession seriously: but that is NOT who I am referring to; I am talking of the Cokie Roberts, George Wills, Tucker Carsons et al. These are not representative of anything other the monied elite.
NOW THERE'S A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
Russia's presidential election campaign will officially
begin shortly, with first deputy prime minister Dmitry Medvedev
the clear favourite to win.
President Vladimir Putin has named Mr Medvedev, 42, as his
chosen successor. The vote will take place on 2 March.
It is a howling wolf.
Jeez, all this time I thought it was a Father Christmas/Falstaff-esque figure...
Chimpy has moved the goalpoasts for Iraq so far back that they're in the locker room now.
Tom3
The better to ply his trade learned during his cheerleading days at Harvard.
So you're accusing me of living in an environment that doesn't sustain my sustenance?
Give me your address. I want to send you a dictionary.
Hello, morons.
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Do you support any candidate for president, Elias?
Someone mention breasts?
Notice how they're all fucking mackeral snappers.
Catlicks have gone off the reich wingnut deep end.
Especially that fat asshole who picked a fight with Bill Maher.
Almost cut my hair.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h?
v=4zdB1zyjI48
Rastafarians for Barack.
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Pull NTodd's finger, already!
Jeez...do I have to repeat everything around here?
But, I was just wondering, exactly how does it refute the fact that Clinton is a proven liar who continues to redraw history as the Clintons see fit?
Elias | 02.02.08 - 2:57 pm | #
But, as you can see, I did use the term correctly, or was that only because I was caught?
?
Elias argues just like Econ 102.
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
I would love to tackle someone attempting to repute that the Wanker twaddles weasels.
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
I don't think you can deliver, motherfucker...
5 Shot in Ill. Clothing Store
TINLEY PARK, Ill. (AP) - Five people were shot Saturday at a women's clothing store south of Chicago, authorities said.
Tinley Park police reported four deaths in the shooting at a Lane Bryant store in a strip mall, Will County Coroner Patrick O'Neil told the Chicago Tribune.
Hello, morons.
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Thers | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 3:27 pm | #
Ok, go ruin a good thing.
Look, over there! It is Ralph Nader! And he's riding Big Shitpile into outer space. Our hero!
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Let's talk about modern American short fiction or the history of European contrapuntal music or the foreign exchange losses that central banks have recently been sustaining.
I would love to tackle someone attempting to repute that the Wanker twaddles weasels.
I am, in fact, a reputed weasel-twaddler.
5 Shot in Ill. Clothing Store
Hallmark of al Qaeda, no?
They used retarded women to carry out those market bombings in Baghdad. When is my country going to do something about these terrorists? I can't take this.
Well, isn't this precious: Tucker flunked out of college.
Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson He is one of the sons of Richard Warner Carlson, a former banker, Los Angeles local news anchor, U.S. ambassador to the Seychelles, director of the U.S. Information Agency, and president of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. His mother is the former Patricia Caroline Swanson. He has one sibling, Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson. Carlson's maternal grandmother, Roberta Fulbright Swanson, was a sister of U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright.[1].
Carlson attended St. George's School, a boarding school in Middletown, Rhode Island. After graduation, he majored in history at the private liberal arts Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, where he left before receiving a degree in 1992.[citation needed]
He is married to Susan Andrews, with whom he has four children: Lillie, Hope, Dorothy, and Buckle
"Ah, goal posts move!"
Yes. It was my idea to make this all about the fact that I used the wrong word and not the substance of what I posted.
Please continue to prove yourself correct...
&
Central America architecture: Pro or con?
My fault. I am thinking of writing a book on the media elite and how they really have very little to do with us common foke. I even have set up a special email account where people can send links or stories they run into while reading on the web. It is. newzelite@comcast.net
Oh yeah I remember you writing about that. Very interesting. Sometimes I worry that our media is not educated enough, so i think it's also about whether they have to work for a living, and worry about things like health insurance and rent, and also the colossal sums they earn now.
Worth posting again...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...ives/
176646.php
The Rudy Story
Over $50 million for a single delegate.
As the LA Times notes, that's the worst dollar for delegate record in American presidential history. The previous winner was John Connally who spent $11 million for a single delegate in 1980.
And at that rate Rudy would have needed $60 billion to win the nomination.
On the other hand, 9/11 did change everything.
Elias, do you support any candidate for president?
Let's talk about modern American short fiction or the history of European contrapuntal music or the foreign exchange losses that central banks have recently been sustaining.
Endeavour Morse | 02.02.08 - 3:30 pm | #
The comparative semiotics of the Download Festivals would be entertaining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Dow...wnload_Festival
Also, why is there not a metal band with the name "Skew Fields"?
Hello, lovely people.
Central America architecture: Pro or con?
Modernism's goony little brother?
Con.
So according to my completely accurate and trustworthy poll, if Hillary wins on Super Tuesday, only 20$ of Kossacks will blow their brains out, while 34% will just throwing a crying hissy fit, and the vast majority will roll up their sleeves and work to get that ball-busting bitch elected.
Now THAT'S unity!
Van Lear Rose: Good or great album?
He is married to Susan Andrews, with whom he has four children: Lillie, Hope, Dorothy, and Buckle
BUCKLE??? I see parricide in his/her future.
"They used retarded women to carry out those market bombings in Baghdad. When is my country going to do something about these terrorists? I can't take this."
So you haven't read the latest articles documenting the lowering of US military recruitment standards?
$
When is my country going to do something about these terrorists?
Enlist.
If you're not part of the solution...
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
How about on the relative merits of latkes versus hammentash?
Buckle Carlson??
Now THAT'S unity!
You are so much better than dailykos posters! And your are bright and shiny and beautiful!
Hello, lovely people.
Marcellina
what about me?
not the substance of what I posted.
The "substance" of what you posted was that we have been ardent supporters of Hillary Clinton for more than a year. It is not worth discussing. Your incorrect use of English was the more substantive issue.
the best insight to the media was from the new hampshire debate where some media idiot helpfully explained to the candidates that a tax on income over $200K would hit many middle class people .
´what about me?
And you.
Oh yeah I remember you writing about that. Very interesting. Sometimes I worry that our media is not educated enough, so i think it's also about whether they have to work for a living, and worry about things like health insurance and rent, and also the colossal sums they earn now.
Culture of TrÜth
The problem is not really in education. George Will's education makes most of ours pale to insignificance. But what did he learn? That is the question.
And then there is question of work? What do these people understand about working for a living? Do they know anyone who does? That is another question. So if you don't know about public education. You have no conception of working for a living and you have never had to worry about money or benefits: then your relationship to ordinary people is the same as Lord to serf.
"Ah, goal posts move!"
Yes. It was my idea to make this all about the fact that I used the wrong word and not the substance of what I posted.
Actually, people were simply mocking your wrong word because you delivered it with such sanctimony. Then you continued to make it the issue.
But that's not what I was referring to, of course. You wouldn't know that, however, since you can't fucking read.
Modernism's goony little brother?
Modernism's impish little sister. Pro!
Elias, do you support any candidate for president?
If I remember correctly, this is a Nader follower.
You are so much better than dailykos posters!
Nah... but I do have a sense of humor.
Guess that puts me one up on most of them, after all...
Hello, lovely people.
Finally got to Buca last night!
A vote for me is a vote for you!
"Loosen up, Buckle"
"Have you met Betty, Buckle?
"Care for a belt, Buckle?"
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Thers
First you have to pull something of NTodd's.
rootless -e Jamison Foser wrote about that this AM. (Atrios has a link) It was the aforementioned Charles Gibson.
Finally got to Buca last night!
Zap Rowsdower
Did you like it? We find it's best to go with at least four people, and more is even better.
The pizza is outstanding, too.
Sometimes I worry that our media is not educated enough
They aren't educated to cover political issues but they are trained to cover political personalities.
First you have to pull something of NTodd's.
Leave pud out of this!
Finally got to Buca last night!
Zap Rowsdower
Did they have a big revolving table with a bust of the pope in the middle??
Nah... but I do have a sense of humor.
dave™©
That's the best news I've heard all day!
Guess that puts me one up on most of them, after all...
That's what's important, after all.
Yeah, we've been there a gazillion times, V. Just that we've been planning to go for a few weeks here, and we could never get a decent reservation.
Their fricking manicotti is wonderful. I went with the chicken parm last night...did not disappoint.
"Elias, do you support any candidate for president?"
At the risk of moving the goal posts even further, I'm sad to say that I was an Edwards supporter. I think the media was determined to do him in. They simply marginalized him. His poll numbers consistently showed that he beat McCain by larger margins than either BO or HC...
>
the best insight to the media was from the new hampshire debate where some media idiot helpfully explained to the candidates that a tax on income over $200K would hit many middle class people .
Yes, married couples consisting of partners who are both Ivy League professors are typical of the middle class.
Thank you for telling me that Mr. Gibson.
DWD,
Agreed. Also what kind of world / social circles did they grew up in and travel in now. Many live in a very insular world, and yet do not even seem to realize this is so.
I can't take this.
bones
This is just the cure for what ails ya...
CONTACT THE ARMY – LOCATE A RECRUITER
If I remember correctly, this is a Nader follower.
If Nader were to run, he would not win. How is supporting his candidacy going to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president?
rootless -e Jamison Foser wrote about that this AM. (Atrios has a link) It was the aforementioned Charles Gibson.
DWD - January is gone? | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 3:37 pm | #
Thnx.
it's odd how americans tend to see themselves as middle class, whether they are scraping by on $20K/year or scraping by on $800K/year. I've met people in Silicon Valley who honestly believe that their $5M in the bank is qualification for being middle class.
Isn't Lane Bryant the plus size store?
Did they have a big revolving table with a bust of the pope in the middle??
They actually got rid of those after PJPII died.
Bunch of people threw a fit about how it was "disrespectful". Stupid.
At the risk of moving the goal posts even further, I'm sad to say that I was an Edwards supporter.
That would actually be returning to the crux of your fallacious libel, beetle-twaddler.
That's what's important, after all.
With humorless twits, it's kind of a hollow victory.
If you get my meaning...
Over $50 million for a single delegate.
As the LA Times notes, that's the worst dollar for delegate record in American presidential history. The previous winner was John Connally who spent $11 million for a single delegate in 1980.
Bloomberg! Bloomberg! Bloomberg!
I don't think you can deliver, motherfucker...
That's not very civil, fuckface.
If you can't refute my arguments there is no need to be impolite.
"Elias, do you support any candidate for president?"
At the risk of moving the goal posts even further...
That's not moving goalposts, dipshit. That's answering a question. You have some serious issues to work out.
His poll numbers consistently showed that he beat McCain by larger margins than either BO or HC...
I'm sure you have some links to demonstrate that claim.
Gibson's biggest error was assuming two full time professors at St. Anselm's, married to each other, would take home $200,000.
Gibson's face: "what, too low?"
This is just the cure for what ails ya...
Well, we won't be hearing from that one again.
At least, using that name...
That would actually be returning to the crux of your fallacious libel, beetle-twaddler.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry | 02.02.08 - 3:42 pm | #
Doesn't a libel have to be fallacious by definition?
Took the kid to see Strange Wilderness last night. I amused myself by imagining that Steve Zahn/Peter Gaulke was the spitting image of NTodd.
If you can't repute my arguments there is no need to be impolite.
Fixed you typo. Do try to keep up.
Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Thers
Sure - why, is your wife around?
If you can't refute my arguments there is no need to be impolite.
I see... let us celebrate our new arrangement with the adding of chocolate to milk!
Oy, everyone's in combat gear.
Doesn't a libel have to be fallacious by definition?
Yes.
Earlier in the same show, Boortz claimed that “when these Katrina so-called refugees were scattered about the country, it was just a glorified episode of putting out the garbage.”
This guy has sponsors? There are people selling products who want to associate themselves with that?
And you thought we only had to deal with them here. Lovely day for me, waking up to find the following in response to what I thought was a well thought out post in another venue regarding the importance of setting aside our petty differences and getting a fucking Democrat elected in the fall. Mind you, this is the standard MO of this person, but christ on a cracker, I'm tired of this shit. In any other forum, he'd be troll rated and booted, but, alas, in this case, it's not to be. I don't think I can deal with another ten months of being told what an ignorant sheep I am... To wit:
Really tired of hearing THIS horseshit!!!!!!!!
Thank the democratic party for not nominating a fucking liberal!!!!!!!
Glad to see the usual suspects groveling in fear once more. Groveling is getting to be a way of life!!!!! Look how well you people do it!!!! And hell, I bet faux didn't even have to remind you to go right after the liberals!!!!!!!!(Greens)
The only liberals who will be at the democratic convention will be in the streets, protesting the highjacking of your party. Well, the dems will probably have "free speech zones".Maybe they'll have another "Chicago 68" and the police will riot!!!! Boy, that'd be entertaining!!
In 2010, we'll be here, talking about how we STILL don't have healthcare; how our jobs are STILL being sent over seas; how our military is STILL in Iraq and Afghanistan; how social security is now a private matter; how fauxnews continues to buy up more and more outlets for the sludge it peddals; how our natinal debt is so goddamned high that our money is nearly worthless... And you'll keep voting for these motherfuckers!!!!!!!!! Is it that you people are really that dumb???? Or do you all suffer from that battered wife syndrome??? When will enough be enough for you people????
Our system is really fucked up, it depends on cowardice to continue moving the direction it moves. The folks who grow spines move along, find other parties to belong to, find hope in other ways.
Congratulations!!!!!!! You have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory you wonderful dems!!!!!!!!
Can't believe how thick some folks are....
Remember- If you vote for Obama or Hillary, They need soldiers and Marines, pronto!!! If you yourself can't make it, please, don't be a TOTAL repug, send one of your children in your place. They'll need this kid tl 2013, will be a nervewracking time, I understand, but you don't vote for a goddamn war and then refuse to put in your pound of fucking flesh.
Is Watertiger's desk available?
:banghead:
Culture of Truth,
I was listening to the radio yesterday when I heard this story. IT is what set me off fuming.
NEW YORK (AP) -- A burglar posing as a construction worker made away with about $100,000 worth of jewelry and electronics in a broad-daylight heist at Lesley Stahl's apartment, police said Friday.
Police wouldn't provide specifics, but the New York Post reported the burglar posed as a construction worker and stole several diamond watches, a pearl necklace, earrings, gold and silver necklaces and a laptop.
The break-in occurred during the morning of Jan. 25 at the ''60 Minutes'' correspondent's apartment overlooking Central Park.
Stahl, a former White House correspondent who has been on the CBS news magazine since 1991, wasn't home at the time. She had no comment on the burglary, a CBS-TV spokesman said.
The burglar reportedly went onto the roof, gained access by breaking a patio door and then ransacked the apartment Stahl shares with her husband, writer Aaron Latham, and daughter.
> $100,000 worth of "shit" laying around the apartment on Central Park. Yeah, that's just like most people. We are not talking of investments: we are talking about trifles in her life. Things that make no difference to her whatsoever. That is obscene.
At the risk of moving the goal posts even further, I'm sad to say that I was an Edwards supporter. I think the media was determined to do him in. They simply marginalized him. His poll numbers consistently showed that he beat McCain by larger margins than either BO or HC...
So, with Edwards out of the race, what are you going to do to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president?
With humorless twits, it's kind of a hollow victory.
If you get my meaning...
Clever! Two points.
Doesn't a libel have to be fallacious by definition?
No. Fallacy is a mistake of logic, so it could be an additional qualifier.
Why Obama lost Thursday's debate
by kos
Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:40:03 PM PST
On the substance of the debate, Obama might've squeezed out a narrow "victory". Hillary owned him on health care, but he owned her on Iraq, and Iraq was toward the tail end of the debate.
But on the politics, Hillary won.
Here's the bottom line: Hillary has the lead in most February 5th states. Despite the frothings of the anti-Hillary crowd, most Democrats like her and are comfortable with her. Therefore, Obama has to give them a reason NOT to vote for her, but for him instead.
Did he do that last night? Not that I saw. I noticed him agreeing with her a lot. And even when there were points of distinction, like drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants, he let Clinton off the hook instead of pressing the advantage. The two candidates seemed to be going out of their way to find common ground. That's great if people already like you and plan on voting for you (Hillary), not so great if you're trying to make up ground (Barack).
In fact, as many people commented, the two looked like a ticket. And it's hard for Obama to win many crossover votes if people think Obama is part of the package if they vote for Clinton.
Obama won big in South Carolina after establishing clear distinctions between himself and Clinton in their South Carolina debate. Obama may be be gaining ground nationwide, but he lost an opportunity to bolster those efforts last night.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear
Not me. Dress slacks, cream turtleneck, and my aging herringbone tweed jacket.
Sure - why, is your wife around?
No! She went out somewhere and has been gone all day leaving me with the children and the laundry and the dirty kitchen.
So you haven't read the latest articles documenting the lowering of US military recruitment standards?
$
Elias | 02.02.08 - 3:34 pm | #
Is there any slim chance of this fuckwad making any kind of a salient point sometime today?
I vote no.
"Anyone up for a nice intellectual conversation?
Thers
Sure - why, is your wife around?"
now, that is funny, and i know funny.
Is Watertiger's desk available?
:banghead:
ThinlyVeiled, Sad
I have to say, on a technical basis alone, the difference between 4 exclamation points and 5 escapes me.
6th Chakra | 02.02.08 - 3:47 pm | #
**********
thanks for reposting something that would be almost impossible to find.
The "substance" of what you posted was that we have been ardent supporters of Hillary Clinton for more than a year. It is not worth discussing. Your incorrect use of English was the more substantive issue.
No, the "substance" was the fact that Clinton is lying. But we are all now aware that you changing the subject must be proof that you're not trying to deflect this kind of attack, right? Becasue it's a foregone conclusion that wouldn't happen here since there's little or no support for her, correct?
Not me. Dress slacks, cream turtleneck, and my aging herringbone tweed jacket.
Barndog, still alive
Why are you all gussied up?
> $100,000 worth of "shit" laying around the apartment on Central Park. Yeah, that's just like most people. We are not talking of investments: we are talking about trifles in her life. Things that make no difference to her whatsoever. That is obscene.
DWD - January is gone? | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 3:47 pm | #
V for V and I were earlier discussing how easy it is to lose track of such small items given the low quality of help these days.
don't think I can deal with another ten months of being told what an ignorant sheep I am
Don't sweat it. Anyone who uses that many exclaimation points is almost ready to blow. Another week or two, and a cerebral hemmorhage will take care of the troll.
I see... let us celebrate our new arrangement with the adding of chocolate to milk!
And that Sprezzatura guy says you can't find civilized conversation on the Internet.
now, that is funny, and i know funny
That is pretty funny, I have to say.
She went out somewhere and has been gone all day leaving me with the children and the laundry and the dirty kitchen.
Molly told us earlier that she was headed to a seminar or something, on 'running for public office' (yay!)
DWD: Lesley Stahl is a tool. Started out as Nixon's speechwriter, as you no doubt know.
I guess being a tool pays well.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear.
I'm in slippers and a bathrobe.
"Oy, everyone's in combat gear."
i'm just sitting here in my underwear.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear
Let me slip into something a little more comfortable.
it's a foregone conclusion that wouldn't happen here since there's little or no support for her, correct?
Finally, he gets something correct.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear.
I'm in slippers and a bathrobe.
"In battle, we wore sequined dresses. The idea was to blind the enemy into submission!"
lots of insults back and forth here today i see.
lots of ego-driven opinions.
sometimes even both in the same post.
i'm just sitting here in my underwear
Always gotta be the odd man out, dontcha?
If Leslie Stahl is so rich, why does she use a Flowbee?
DWD: Lesley Stahl is a tool. Started out as Nixon's speechwriter, as you no doubt know.
I guess being a tool pays well.
Adam Hominem
You have a cite for that? I am not finding that yet.
No, the "substance" was the fact that Clinton is lying.
If you hadn't insulted people before posting the link, you might not have received so many responses.
So you've been getting a lot of attention, but I'm probably the only poster who clicked on your link.
You win. Clinton wins bigger.
No, the "substance" was the fact that Clinton is lying.
The pre-ordained candidate of AtriosWorld is again shown to be a liar:
How did that link show Edwards to be a liar?
lots of insults back and forth here today i see.
lots of ego-driven opinions.
sometimes even both in the same post.
juan no no nsense | 02.02.08 - 3:52 pm | #
Fuck you, you handsome devil (in my opinion).
"So, with Edwards out of the race, what are you going to do to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president?
With humorless twits, it's kind of a hollow victory.
If you get my meaning...
Clever! Two points."
Ah, a field goal is THREE points, but that's beside the point! (Get it? Beside the "point"?) )))))
I don't think Hillary will have any problem losing the election. Once the rightwing propaganda machine coalesces, they will manage to destroy her by labor day...heck, even memorial day....
"
do not be fooled by marketing:
the bags of cheetos that say 'extra crispy'? not so...they're the fucking same as regular cheetos.
i feel so used.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear.
I'm in slippers and a bathrobe.
I'm dressed up like an exclamation point. I'm going to go get five friends to do the same and then we're going to go jump up and down outside ThinlyVeiled's house.
so leslie stahl is a bad person because she's made money...the only people who are so hateful of those who have EARNED money are those incapable of doing so.
Don't sweat it. Anyone who uses that many exclaimation points is almost ready to blow. Another week or two, and a cerebral hemmorhage will take care of the troll.
Much to my misfortune, no. This one has been at for seven years, and counting. I honestly don't know how one can maintain such a level of anger for so long, and still keep coming back for more. Worse, he's a Naderite.
heh.
'handsome devil.'
wait. wasn't that evil knievel's 'moniker?'
Finally...Johan Santana is a Met.
Good luck with all that...
I thought it was Diane Swayer who fluffed in the Nixon white house.
"Always gotta be the odd man out, dontcha?"
i like being special.
Leley Stahl is a graduate of Wheaton College, (OMG - this is one of the MOST fundamentalist Christian schools in the country) her career received a running start from her coverage of the Watergate affair. She went on to become White House correspondent during the presidencies of Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and George H.W. Bush. Stahl was the moderator of Face the Nation between September 1983 and May 1991, and from 2002 - 2004, Stahl hosted 48 Hours Investigates. In 2002, Stahl made headlines when Al Gore appeared on 60 Minutes and revealed for the first time that he would not run for president again in 2004.
"Worse, he's a Naderite."
well, there ya go...
liebniz is right and I am wrong. Sorry, DWD.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear.
Just the usual Saturday afternoon togs.
Worse, he's a Naderite.
ThinlyVeiled, Sad
That is worse. Those people are like Energizer Bunnies of rage.
i like being special
I've got it. Sitting in yer skivvies, eating Cheetos - you're turning REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!
I don't think Hillary will have any problem losing the election. Once the rightwing propaganda machine coalesces, they will manage to destroy her by labor day...heck, even memorial day....
"
Elias | 02.02.08 - 3:54 pm | #
Is it your lifelong goal to be wrong about everything? What is the rpm going to come up with that hasn't already been taken care of? Or are you stupid enough to vote republican? because if you are, you're in a small minority.
so leslie stahl is a bad person because she's made money...the only people who are so hateful of those who have EARNED money are those incapable of doing so.
trifecta
You do read, right? You do comprehend what you read?
When did I ever say anything about good or bad or deserving or undeserving?
Damn!
so a zen monk, a plumber, and ben hur walk into a bar...
Molly told us earlier that she was headed to a seminar or something, on 'running for public office' (yay!)
Something like that.
Meanwhile, I gotta do the laundry. Hmmmmph.
"I've got it. Sitting in yer skivvies, eating Cheetos - you're turning REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!"
that's just low, man.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Now that former North Carolina senator John Edwards has exited the presidential race, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is seizing the opening -- on the music front, that is.
At a rally here in the Montgomery Bell Academy's Brownlee O. Currey Gymnasium, the speakers blasted "Our Country," the John Mellencamp song that had served as the hallmark of Edwards's campaign events.
wapost
just being in this 'room' for five minutes I have already figured out that
3 racial slurs were aimed at me
2 insults questioning my sexual prowess
1 'dig' regarding my finances
and
16 'threats' to unleash 'hillary clinton themed Valentines Day 'goodies' at me
Meanwhile, I gotta do the laundry. Hmmmmph.
Do you think Thers uses a washboard and a tub?
calling it obscene to buy things with money you have worked for--i think that says something about your views on leslie stahl or anyone else who is rich.
Diane Sawyer was born Lila Diana Sawyer on December 22, 1945 in Glasgow, Kentucky. Soon after her birth, her family moved to Louisville, where her father, Erbon Powers "Tom" Sawyer, rose to local prominence as a politician and community leader. E. P. "Tom" Sawyer State Park, located in the Frey's Hill area of Louisville, is named in his honor. She attended Seneca High School in the Buechel area of Louisville. In 1963, she won the "America's Junior Miss" scholarship pageant as a representative from the State of Kentucky. In 1967 she received her English degree at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.
After briefly attending law school at the University of Louisville, Sawyer served as a local TV news reporter for WLKY-TV in Louisville, Kentucky. In 1970, White House press secretary Ron Ziegler hired her to serve in the administration of President Richard Nixon. Sawyer stayed on through his resignation in 1974, worked on the transition team between Nixon and Gerald Ford in 1975, and assisted Nixon with his memoirs.
No! She went out somewhere and has been gone all day leaving me with the children and the laundry and the dirty kitchen.
Thers
Well then she is definitely smarter.
i think she went to the Wheaton College in eastern Mass....not the xian one.
Oy, everyone's in combat gear.
Marcellina
Nah, theys just playing.
I don't think Hillary will have any problem losing the election. Once the rightwing propaganda machine coalesces, they will manage to destroy her by labor day...heck, even memorial day....
So you came here to post that link because you think people who post here are, in the majority, Hillary Clinton supporters, and you wanted to tell that she is a liar, even though you are confident that she would lose the general election.
Is that it? Well, that plus you wanted to insult the group generally?
trademarked one,
I just rec'd your diary!
Finally...Johan Santana is a Met.
Thus reducing the average age of the pitching staff to a spry 52.
surge success seems to have reached its limit - iraqi casualties show uptick in jan 08. the last column is civilians killed, the middle column is iraq police and army people killed
Mar-05 176 257 Apr-05 199 301
May-05 259 572 Jun-05 296 469
Jul-05 304 518 Aug-05 282 1524
Sep-05 233 640 Oct-05 215 463
Nov-05 176 592 Dec-05 193 344
Jan-06 189 590 Feb-06 158 688
Mar-06 191 901 Apr-06 201 808
May-06 150 969 Jun-06 132 738
Jul-06 217 1063 Aug-06 233 2733
Sep-06 150 3389 Oct-06 224 1315
Nov-06 123 1741 Dec-06 123 1629
Jan-07 91 1711 Feb-07 150 2864
Mar-07 215 2762 Apr-07 300 1521
May-07 198 1782 Jun-07 197 1148
Jul-07 232 1458 Aug-07 76 1598
Sep-07 96 752 Oct-07 114 565
Nov-07 89 471 Dec-07 72 476
Jan-08 69 485
calling it obscene to buy things with money you have worked for--i think that says something about your views on leslie stahl or anyone else who is rich.
trifecta | 02.02.08 - 3:58 pm | #
and the idea that a reporter is that rich doesn't bother you in the least?
one bag of 'shock and awe' pink hearts
one bag of 'everything is on the table' licorice sticks
one bag of 'wallmart anti-union legal briefs' sized 34
But which would do better? Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton
I think most women prefer to be on top.
that's just low, man
Not as low as the dweebs in the steams, who have thousands of dollars of gear with them, and can't cast a fly more than 10'.
That's a disgrace.
peterboy. Thanks - I did not realize there were two. The one in Illinois is fairly prominent.
Speaking of journalists, this is a little long, but I esp. like the bit about Sally Quinn near the end...
Thers, you funny...
But wait, there's more:
Nader has been right on every issue thus far.
Why would he be a liability to the Greens????
Nader has done more for progressive causes than the present crop of dems put together. That is a verifiable fact. Deal with it, all you Nader haters,
You wanna dispute that? Come at me with the facts. Name the bills, the acts passed, pushed by your favorite dem. By all the dems. Shit, I can't think of a single bill, a single inititive by either obama or clinton.
Neither of them could lead a swarm of ants to a fucking picnic.
Nader has led. Spearheaded the most important bills ever passed. Dispute that with fact.
/asshole fails to recognize that Saint Ralph has never actually held elective office. Ever.
No! She went out somewhere and has been gone all day leaving me with the children and the laundry and the dirty kitchen.
Thers
She's gonna run for public office--those kids better be dressed in clean clothes for the photo shoot.
Erbon Powers "Tom" Sawyer, rose to local prominence as a politician and community leader.
How do you get "Tom" from "Erbon Powers"? That's almost as bad as Buckle Shoestring Carlson.
Thus reducing the average age of the pitching staff to a spry 52.
Heh.
i think she went to the Wheaton College in eastern Mass....not the xian one.
I am wheaton intolerant.
No, Watch This, it doesn't bother me at all. She generates a lot of lucre for the networks. If she doesn't get paid, it will just go to the shareholders. I would rather someone whose hard work generates this money gets a share of that money.
Do you think Thers uses a washboard and a tub?
My hands are rubbed raw from the scrubbing. O the drudgery of my domestic chores. Thank goodness for the cooking sherry or how els I would cope I don't know. Also I have my stories.
I just rec'd your diary!
Uh oh... the Hall Monitors will be looking for you now!
and the idea that a reporter is that rich doesn't bother you in the least?
watch this
The Moustache of Understanding is a billionare.
I'd prefer he cleaned toilets and had an income to match.
calling it obscene to buy things with money you have worked for--i think that says something about your views on leslie stahl or anyone else who is rich.
trifecta | 02.02.08 - 3:58 pm | #
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Jay Z is worth 500 million dollars.
Madonna made 47 million last year.
honest question: is this obscene or a good thing?
Afternoon, bats! Been robbing any muncipal bond funds lately?
Not as low as the dweebs in the steams, who have thousands of dollars of gear with them, and can't cast a fly more than 10'
You can fish in a sauna?
trifecta - where's your URL?
"So you came here to post that link because you think people who post here are, in the majority, Hillary Clinton supporters, and you wanted to tell that she is a liar, even though you are confident that she would lose the general election.
Is that it? Well, that plus you wanted to insult the group generally?"
Well, at least you can't accuse me of preaching to the choir...
.
Leley Stahl is a graduate of Wheaton College, (OMG - this is one of the MOST fundamentalist Christian schools in the country)...
DWD - January is gone? | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 3:55 pm
Wheaton in Mass? Doesn't sound very fundy to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Whe...C_Massachusetts
Do you think Thers uses a washboard and a tub?
Rock and river. Back to basics.
I'm convinced Obama would have knocked Hillary and Edwards done in his haste to vote for the Iraq war. He:
1. Voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act
2. Voted for Condasleezy Rice for Secretary of State.
3. Opposed Feingold's censure of Bush for illegal wiretapping.
4. Distanced himself from Sen. Durbin's criticism of U. S. torture at Gitmo.
5. Did not vote against first-strike use of nuclear weapons against Iran.
WTF?
Info from Paul Street's "Presidential Ambitions from the Start," as seen at populistindependent.org.
You can fish in a sauna?
Pretty warm in every sauna I've ever been in.
Madonna and Jay Z wouldn't make that money if people didn't feel they were worth it. What would you prefer? They lower ticket prices so that people have to spend hours in lines? It isn't like they are a CEO of a company that does poorly and they give the CEO millions to leave. These people generate money. Why shouldn't they get their share of it?
No, Watch This, it doesn't bother me at all. She generates a lot of lucre for the networks. If she doesn't get paid, it will just go to the shareholders. I would rather someone whose hard work generates this money gets a share of that money.
trifecta | 02.02.08 - 4:01 pm | #
So you don't see that the money has turned her into an establishment whore, pushing the corporate line rather than actually reporting, right? Or that her being beholden to the powers that be have damaged this country directly?
She's gonna run for public office--those kids better be dressed in clean clothes for the photo shoot.
Oh, we're renting children for that sort of thing. We're using the same agency that handled the Roberts confirmation hearings.
But which would do better? Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton
I think most women prefer to be on top.
Dr. Ruth | 02.02.08 - 4:00 pm | #
"THAT'S GOLD JERRY!"
!
My hands are rubbed raw from the scrubbing. O the drudgery of my domestic chores. Thank goodness for the cooking sherry or how els I would cope I don't know. Also I have my stories.
Thers
We're at war. Shouldn't you be riveting or something?
Nader has led. Spearheaded the most important bills ever passed. Dispute that with fact.
Nader worked for Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
When he was an Assistant Secretary of Labor, not senator.
He has been credited with helping to create the EPA and OSHA.
Hardly spearheading the most important bills ever passed.
No, watch this, doesn't bother me at all because I don't think she is as you describe her. People can do good work and NOT have your opinion, your viewpoint. She's not fucking O'Reilly or blowhard Olberman.
Oh, we're renting children for that sort of thing. We're using the same agency that handled the Roberts confirmation hearings.
Thers
Little Irish foundlings--they are so dear. And photogenic.
These people generate money. Why shouldn't they get their share of it?
trifecta | 02.02.08 - 4:04 pm | #
that's exactly right. now, how does leslie stahl generate money?
Jay Z is worth 500 million dollars.
Madonna made 47 million last year.
Point: Jay Z (whoever he is) and Madonna (never listened to her) Are NOT reporting the news to Americans. They are not filtering what should be reported or the nuances of reporting this same news.
That is the problem. I don't care if they are richer than hell as long as they do not let their wealth interfere with their judgment, but I do not believe that is the case. And I believe that there are many people who also perceive this.
If you do not, trifecta, then good for you. I honestly wish you would try to perceive with a bit more acuity but that might just be me.
Well, at least you can't accuse me of preaching to the choir...
That's what's important, after all. You're a maverick!
spodfgoihwer!
Hee, trifecta is being name stolen.
Oh, we're renting children for that sort of thing. We're using the same agency that handled the Roberts confirmation hearings.
Thers
I heard they were closed down after one of the kids gave the Chief Justice the clap.
how does leslie stahl generate money?
she rents out her hair to thatchers.
I'm convinced Obama would have knocked Hillary and Edwards done in his haste to vote for the Iraq war.
Well, all his votes for "military" and "defense" issues, as tracked by VoteSmart.org, correlate with the way Clinton voted, except in two small instances.
Amusingly enough, even the "not-votings" are the same.
Who's triangulating now, Mr. Speech Man?
"If you hadn't insulted people before posting the link, you might not have received so many responses.
So you've been getting a lot of attention, but I'm probably the only poster who clicked on your link.
You win. Clinton wins bigger.
Endeavour Morse | 02.02.08 - 3:53 pm | #"
I don't know whether to thank you or pity you. Maybe both?
/
she rents out her hair to thatchers.
LOL! No wonder all those hobbits chase her.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins,
Already owned up to my mistake above. But thanks for pointing it out again
dave, I rec'd every single comment you made, too! I loved the weenie who wanted to troll rate you...the one with the high #.
Also I have my stories.
I hear Stefano's back in Salem...
I don't know whether to thank you or pity you. Maybe both?
/
Elias | 02.02.08 - 4:08 pm | #
nobody cares either way.
ZOMG!!
I just got a robocall from the Ron Paul campaign! Better go diary about it over at kos...
I don't know whether to thank you or pity you. Maybe both?
What did your link have to do with John Edwards, fuckstick?
'Multiple' Victims in Chicago Shooting
TINLEY PARK, Ill. (AP) - "Multiple" victims were found Saturday at a clothing store in a strip mall, authorities said. They did not immediately confirm a report that four people had been killed.
Police Sgt. T.J. Grady said officers responding to a 911 call about a shooting at about 10:45 a.m. found the shooting victims inside a Lane Bryant store in this Chicago suburb.
I would join in the conversation, but I have no idea what you all are talking about.
Finally...Johan Santana is a Met.
Thus reducing the average age of the pitching staff to a spry 52.
Thers | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:00 pm | #
But, hey my Phils signed Pedro Feliz, and they might sign Kris Benson!
Hooray!
*shoots self*
aiiight. i'm registered for eschacon.
i hope i did the paperwork right.
Shouldn't you be riveting or something?
Or ravishing, something.
I don't know whether to thank you or pity you. Maybe both?
Your estimation of me is critical to my sense of self-worth. So, please, thanks and pity!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins,
Already owned up to my mistake above. But thanks for pointing it out again
DWD - January is gone? | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:08 pm | #
Sorry, trying to read the comments and do other things at the same time.
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him. Giving the Bush junta what it wants isn't the best way to bring this country back together.
They used retarded women to carry out those market bombings in Baghdad. When is my country going to do something about these terrorists? I can't take this.
bones
The Iraqis have caught up to George and Laura, they're a threat to close the retard gap. No doubt they have criminal plans to carry on water fluoridation in violation of UN sanctions as well...
Madonna and Jay Z wouldn't make that money if people didn't feel they were worth it. What would you prefer? They lower ticket prices so that people have to spend hours in lines? It isn't like they are a CEO of a company that does poorly and they give the CEO millions to leave. These people generate money. Why shouldn't they get their share of it?
trifecta | 02.02.08 - 4:04 pm | #
well, I think they are smart as hell for figuring out how to make that money.
and I wish i was that smart.
as for Leslie Stahl; she's made her money being a lackey of sorts.
but I could be wrong.
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him.
Thanks for reminding me. 
I loved the weenie who wanted to troll rate you...the one with the high #.
What about that "Spoon" person? Talk about a kiss-up!
BTW, my "number" would be even lower than it apparently is, except got "deleted" when they did one of their site upgrades a couple years ago.
Not that I even know how to see what it is... believe it or not, it was actually brought up "against" me before!
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him. Giving the Bush junta what it wants isn't the best way to bring this country back together.
George Johnston | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:10 pm | #
a difficult situation for him, given what the race-mongers would have said had he voted against her.
For my good friend and best man at my wedding - Mr NTodd...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3234
.
i hope i did the paperwork right.
I have to find out if I'm even still invited, or if the Organizer is now to glamorous to be seen with me...
obama's 'one little difference' with hillary clinton
is sort of a 'big' difference considering he was speaking out against the
debacle when she was scolding code pink with bushisms about wmds.......
I would join in the conversation, but I have no idea what you all are talking about.
Halfdan
Come sit by me. Have a piece of Sacher torte.
I am off.
Later, 'bats.
If anyone runs into anything interesting concerning the media elite, please forward it to me at:
newzelite@comcast.net
(Been very interesting, thanks)
Peace.
Giving the Bush junta what it wants isn't the best way to bring this country back together.
In that case, there's lots of Senators out there that don't deserve our support.
I hope I'm stoned enough to hang around with a shitload of republican insurance people tonight.
If not, I have backup.
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him.
That's nice, by that logic Hillary would also be rejected. Please get a real defense of your whore.
have to find out if I'm even still invited, or if the Organizer is now to glamorous to be seen with me...
Thers | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:12 pm | #
Som things never change.
Poland agrees to house missles for US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/ 7223568.stm
Gilly Gonzylon | 02.02.08 - 2:56 pm
Let The Great Games begin!
I would join in the conversation, but I have no idea what you all are talking about.
We're talking about how important it is to be seen as better than other posters on this blog and other blogs. Also, how all blog posters support Hillary Clinton, how Central American architecture is impishly goony, how there can be no such thing as earned wealth that is excessive and amassed on the back of the poor -- as is necessary in the current global economy, and how one poster has sold his children to a band of traveling washboard circus clowns.
I have to find out if I'm even still invited, or if the Organizer is now to glamorous to be seen with me...
maybe she can go with Markos.
I've decided to skip all the 3rd party nonsense and jump right to the Pi Party- the 3.14 Party, just a bit better ad further along in our quest to close the Kumbaya circle. Our slogan will be: Pi r square, but pizza are round.
She's not fucking O'Reilly or blowhard Olberman.
trifecta
Ah, I see.
Good catch, NTodd, BTW.
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him. Giving the Bush junta what it wants isn't the best way to bring this country back together.
George Johnston | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:10 pm | #
Not his best moment, I'll admit.
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
And also for the father of my children, if anything untoward should happen to me, Mr Snow...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3234
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him. Giving the Bush junta what it wants isn't the best way to bring this country back together.
Fair enough, but Hillary also voted to confirm
BTW, my "number" would be even lower than it apparently is, except got "deleted" when they did one of their site upgrades a couple years ago.
I remember when they started with the registering -- I would have been in the first hour or so, but I got halfway through the process, got bored, and came back over here. Oh well.
Swoosh, gong, and all that.
aiiight. i'm registered for eschacon.
Yeah, I'm almost finished, myself. Just have to arrange the hotel room w/ SteveLG, and get my aeroplane ticket. I'm doing the farewatch bit, so just waiting for the price to get around 300, or so...
Please get a real defense of your whore.
Whore? Really?
And also for the father of my children, if anything untoward should happen to me, Mr Snow...
Are you stupid or something?
Come sit by me. Have a piece of Sacher torte.
Yes please! Thank you. My BIL's wife is Austrian, her mother runs a B&B in an ancient mountain village. I can't wait to get the chance to visit.
Who let the assholes out of their cages?
It's February 2nd, for Christ's sake. Can't we just all celebrate Ground Hog's Day and get along for an hour or two?
BBC has analyst on from Reagan's administration who said Reagan promoted Star Wars but would never have established sites before knowing the system would work, which is what BushBoy is doing.
BushCo is getting sites established to try to force following presidents to keep working on his version of Star Wars (BushCo name slips my mind right now}. Sort of like his attempts to keep US troops in Iraq long after he's out of office.
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
I've learned to stop asking that very question during primary season.
War Whore Hillary.
I've learned to stop asking that very question during primary season.
fo98etnpg'ds!
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
Saturday night's alright for fighting...
her mother runs a B&B in an ancient mountain village.
Really?? Do you know whereabouts?
Obama voting for Rice's confirmation is when I went cold on him.
Thanks for reminding me.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 02.02.08 - 4:11 pm | #
Who voted for bomb bomb Iran Kyl-Lieberman?
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
Come sit with me and Marcellina. We're eating strudels.
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
Elias was explaining how our universally accepted candidate lied about something.
We have yet to determine who it was that lied.
Poland agrees to house missles for US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/ 7223568.stm
Gilly Gonzylon | 02.02.08 - 2:56 pm
Let The Great Games begin!
jawbone | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:13 pm | #
What does the EU think of all this? I would imagine they'd be twisting Poland's arm to go the other way? What is the US really giving them? "Upgrading air Polish air defense" seems a bit flimsy of a reason.
War Whore Hillary.
Come along, now. Be a grown-up.
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
watertiger | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:14 pm
Lots of troll overfeeding?
IT'S OFFICIAL: WE'RE DUMB
Panel: Spy agencies
in dark about threats
In a scathing report on the intelligence community, a presidential commission Thursday said the United States still knows "disturbingly little" about the weapons programs and intentions of many of its "most dangerous adversaries."
The panel also determined the intelligence community was "dead wrong" in its assessments of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities before the U.S. invasion.
I hope I'm stoned enough to hang around with a shitload of republican insurance people tonight.
If not, I have backup.
Barndog, still alive | 02.02.08 - 4:12 pm | #
please repeat after me (slowly):
HOW.BOUT.THEM.PATRIOTS.
Come sit with me and Marcellina. We're eating strudels.
Oooh! [grabs coffee]
Really?? Do you know whereabouts?
The Alps? Sorry I don't know any more than that, except it looks like Sound of Music. But then again it looks like Sound of Music from your balcony, so that doesn't help much.
Come along, now. Be a grown-up.
Endeavour Morse | 02.02.08 - 4:19 pm | #
don't be silly. jack isn't yet a teenager.
And I may have confused Blue Plate Special and Early Bird Special in an attempt to tease simels.
Hillary's anti-flag burning bill was when she jumped the shark.
It is sad when the "leading" Democratic candidates can't excite a lifelong Democrat. I will vote for them in the general but both of them are going to screw us to give Halliburton billions under the tired rubric that is helping the troops.
Who voted for bomb bomb Iran Kyl-Lieberman?
Bjorn,a poor young country boi
Dood, my hog ain't in this hunt. At this point, I could not care less. I've already voted, anyway. I'm at the point where I will support the eventual nominee in the General.
You don't even want to hear my misgivings about the current candidates. It's too late.
[shrugs.]
seriously, what the fuck is going on in this thread?
I'm reading it and there's mischief afoot.
I'm sure everyone remembers Elias from the last election.
*rolls eyes*
As for the other little hissy fit taking place, it's par for the course.
It's February 2nd, for Christ's sake. Can't we just all celebrate Ground Hog's Day and get along for an hour or two?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 02.02.08 - 4:16 pm | #
i TOLD SOME kids today that 'Wireton Willy' was dead and they assured me that was not the case.
I guess Willy has been 'replaced.'
(*our* groundhog)
obama's 'one little difference' with hillary clinton is sort of a 'big' difference considering he was speaking out against the debacle when she was scolding code pink with bushisms about wmds...
Let's make this as simple as possible: talk is cheap. When Obama had the chance to actually VOTE, he's voted the same as Clinton.
I don't like the way Clinton (and the vast majority of Congress) voted. I don't like the way Obama voted. But I'm tired of him and his supporters saying he hasn't/doesn't "support the war." Inasmuch as he has expressed himself through his actions as a voting member of Congress, he "supports" it as much as Hillary.
in an attempt to tease simels.
No sex talk. It's private.
reading diaries at Kos' site makes my head hurt. between the sanctimony and the twee preening I literally get a headache.
Thers, have you set a fair price on your offspring, as we need some workers for a new roof?
Little Irish foundlings--they are so dear. And photogenic
Till they grow up and become louts.
I can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate...
It's February 2nd, for Christ's sake. Can't we just all celebrate Ground Hog's Day and get along for an hour or two?
Did it see its shadow?
"And I may have confused Blue Plate Special and Early Bird Special in an attempt to tease simels.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry | 02.02.08 - 4:20 pm | # "
Holden Caufield, I knew that was you, you old coot! Who else would use a term like "to tease simels"?
"
both of them are going to screw us to give Halliburton billions under the tired rubric that is helping the troops
The less people do to push congress and the executive, the more likely that is to be true.
And I may have confused Blue Plate Special and Early Bird Special in an attempt to tease simels.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
I thought you were intentionally conflating them: cold weather and early oldster diner.
Who voted for bomb bomb Iran Kyl-Lieberman?
Bjorn,a poor young country boi
yep.
obama hitting general election themes in his speech today
"The era of Scooter Libby justice and Brownie incompetence and the Karl Rove politics of fear and cynicism will be over."
.
I can't say that I've ever been "excited" about a presidential candidate.
I kind of liked Ike,
but I was a tyke.
reading diaries at Kos' site makes my head hurt.
Well, in companionship with trademark dave's diary, there's a new one up: Does Obama Poop Gold?
I'm serious, you all act like his s&*! don't stink! Hallelujah! Jesus has arisen from the grave. He can do no wrong. He is perfect in every single way. I'm sick and tired of hearing his name. It's a little overkill on the networks, on the blogs, everywhere. You all know where this leads, right? Put someone up on this pedestal so high and when something is revealed the harder they fall.
Thers, have you set a fair price on your offspring, as we need some workers for a new roof?
I wouldn't hire them, as they are rarely sober.
Back to housework, but there is a new thread for youse.
I would have been in the first hour or so, but I got halfway through the process, got bored, and came back over here. Oh well.
I'm #400-something over at Smirking Chimp.
But I can't remember my password and the email I used to register with has long since been deactivated...
Did it see its shadow?
sadly, yes.
i TOLD SOME kids today that 'Wireton Willy' was dead and they assured me that was not the case.
I guess Willy has been 'replaced.'
I'll bet you singlehandedly ruin Christmas and Easter for some children, too.
Did it see its shadow?
Whatever he did or didn't see, it's six more years of winter.
s
he
ets
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Hillary Clinton is tough as an old army boot. She can deal with whatever nonsense the opposition throws at her.
The more she's attacked, the more the electorate sees her as an underdog. The Republicans are more afraid of Hillary Clinton than any candidate ever.
fight
I thought you were intentionally conflating them: cold weather and early oldster diner
Oooh. That's sounds good. But no.
obama has said he not only wants to end this war he wants to end the 'mindset' that got us into this war.
if he is telling the truth that is a major statement.
...there's a new one up: Does Obama Poop Gold?
Hoo boy - that one won't last long!
sadly, yes.
Rats!
But then again it looks like Sound of Music from your balcony, so that doesn't help much.
If you ever learn where, let me know!
I'll bet you singlehandedly ruin Christmas and Easter for some children, too.
pie | 02.02.08 - 4:24 pm | #
heh.
no.
pssst. rudolph is in an old 'reindeer folks' home
sheets
"The era of Scooter Libby justice and Brownie incompetence and the Karl Rove politics of fear and cynicism will be over."
.
Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 4:23 pm | #
Not a bad line. I hope it portends he won't be shy to shackle the Bush albatross around McCain's neck if he's nominated.
No sex talk. It's private.
Um. Sure. OK.
pssst. rudolph is in an old 'reindeer folks' home
Now his nose is red from too much reindeer punch.
I can't believe how morally depraved the so called "liberals" are on this site have become. Clinton and Obama will continue this war just like Reid and Pelosi, the bottom line is that this war is good for their bottom line. Democratic party = war party 1A, end of discussion.
I hope that the cries of dead Iraqi children keep you awake at night fucking war enablers
No more than Nader taking GOP contributions to campaign in purple or blue states does...
lulz
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