I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Comedy stylings of Atrios:
"last night was actually a bad night for Clinton"
Try the veal...
Helloooo!
hadenough,
clinton is behind. she needs blowouts to pickup delegates given the way that they're apportioned. If she pulls off a miracle and does that, fine by me. But she's running out of opportunties to do so.
Last night was as good as it's going to get for Clinton.
Which cannot be encouraging for her.
The math is changed in the sense that there is one less inning left for Clinton to hit her grand slam.
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Oops, how did that get in there?
Clinton made a foul shot when she needed to hit 50 3 pointers.
No, no! MSNBC talking heads (well, okay, not Rachel, of whom I am enamored!) said it was a good night for Clinton.
What was the final delegate count, btw?
You're in the tank for Kodos, so of course you would spin it this way.
No, no! MSNBC talking heads (well, okay, not Rachel, of whom I am enamored!) said it was a good night for Clinton.
Well, it was. Just not good enough.
"So the 10 point spread is close to the dividing line but on Hillary's side of it." from the TPM article
LAtest results show her only winning by 8.6%.
Her strategy seems to be HackAnObama.
there is one less inning left for Clinton to hit her grand slam
Clinton made a foul shot when she needed to hit 50 3 pointers
[searches for hurling analogy; fails]
If Clinton wins every contest 60-40, Obama will lead 1651 to 1583 in pledged delegates.
I, too, say good night to Clinton.
I said good night!
/Fez
Cap Day
Figures.
"Carol Shepp McCain never existed"-cable news
Hillary still needs 71% of all of the remaining delegates to pull this off.
71%. That's a pretty high bar there.
I find the talk from the chattering class interesting, the way in which they're hyping her victory. Scar was seriously pondering Obama's "electability" this morning, with the racist, Pat Buchanan, egging him on, and Matthews blathering on about how Obama can't win the Catholic vote.
Two weeks ago, I honestly expected to see a 20% blow-out in Hillary's favor in Pennsylvania. In actuality, her victory is around 9%. Essentially, based on the delegate count, Obama neutralized her victory in PA.
Good morning.
anybody know how I can get a precinct map of Lancaster, PA?
google is not my friend.
Ah, yes, but this morning it's "Why can't Obama close the deal?"
This campaign is being scripted by like four guys what haven't gotten laid in sixteen years.
A.
In the final hour of "Joke," Pat Buchanan, Tweety, Joke, and Mrs. Greenspan all agreed that BHO is "too faculty lounge" to win this thing.
Figures.
I said good day!
there is one less inning left for Clinton to hit her grand slam
Clinton made a foul shot when she needed to hit 50 3 pointers
Her goal was deemed offside.
Ah, yes, but this morning it's "Why can't Obama close the deal?"
This campaign is being scripted by like four guys what haven't gotten laid in sixteen years.
A.
Athenae
It's all about the horse race.
Which is why I'm simply ready for it to be over.
Christ, my fucking head hurts.
These last primaries seem more and more to be a beauty contest with the superdelegates as the judges. I've said for some time here this is all aimed at the superdelegates. So does a big finish by HRC tip things in her favor, or does the BO total delegates/popular vote win the day.
We can rail away at our respective positions on this, but it's out of our hands, I think.
This campaign is being scripted by like four guys what haven't gotten laid in sixteen years.
I am not scripting this campaign! Wait, what?
Current delegate totals:
Obama Pledged: 1484 Super Delegates: 230 Total: 1714
Clinton Pledged: 1330 Super Delegates: 254 Total: 1584
It's no longer about whether Hillary can win at the ballot box, or even whether she can win among superdelegates.
She can't win by the current rules. Period.
The question is, how WILL she win? Will she somehow manage to get Florida and Michigan counted? Will she sue?
Will any of us ultimately be doing ourselves any favors by voting for McCain Lite?
I would like to accompany res ipsa to Yankee Stadium on tiara day.
I don't agree. It's a long shot, but Clinton's best bet is to either close the popular vote gap completely or come very close to doing so in the remaining primaries. At that point, she can make a decent argument to SDs and hope to sway them, keeping in mind that neither candidate is going to have enough pledged delegates to win. By that standard, last night she closed the gap by about 215K, which looking forward is on the low to middle range of what she had to do. Whether it plays out the rest of the way as she hopes, I dunno, but it's a rational strategy. Stay tuned.
Vicki, you should have heard him last night, lecturing Harold Ford on "if I was a Democrat, this is what I'd be doing, blah blah blah."
YOU AIN'T A DEMOCRAT, FUCKSTICK, YOU NEVER WILL BE, SO STFU.
I've about had it with Republicans telling Democrats what they'd do if they were Democrats and Democrats actually LISTENING.
A.
I can't find the final delegate count either... Anyone???
I have to say that that in a certain sense, this has been good for Obama in the sense that he knows that he has to do better with white women and older white voters when he goes up against McCain. I get the sense that the older white voters, for whom arguments of experience perhaps resonate more (and who may have more racial biases), will be the hardest to convince.
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This is exactly the result predicted months ago. Except that race-baiting, nuke-brandishing Billary and the minority Machine Democrats plus the cross-dressing Limbaugh Republicans minus the true Independents (60% who could not vote) barely managed a 10% edge, not the 20% forecast.
Of course she's calling this a major victory: She's almost out of corporate money.
Billary: This is your wake-up call: IT'S TIME TO GO. Please. Try and PRETEND you care about your country, your Party, your people, your issues. And not just your YOU.
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Yo, Athenae.
Check your email, you scamp.
Hillary did well in the PA primary. She is a good candidate and would be a good president.
But once again we'll hear that Obama can't win the big states, with many electoral votes, and that this win in Pennsylvania proves it. For Pennsylvania, and probably the others, this argument is specious.
In addition to Hillary's usual 15 year head start, in Pennsylvania Obama faced the formidible Governor Ed Rendell and the Democratic establishment, including the mayors of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and most other cities.
Also, he was not running against John McCain nor any other white male. Hillary benefits considerably from the votes of white women. These women are not going to defect to McCain in the general election. Nor will most other Hillary voters suddenly turn Republican.
So the claim that Obama can't win the big states is nonsense. He can and he will.
In the larger picture, it of course would be important and beneficial for th United States to elect a competent woman to the presidency. But women have led countries before and such a positive step does not
compare to the prospect of a talented and inspiring black man as leader of the world's major, largely white country
homer www.altara.blogspot.com
I'd like to know what their fund raising numbers look like starting with last night and into the next primary. Will Clinton raise enough money to keep winning or will she go dark in a day or so due to lack of funds. Same goes for Obama.
But how many delegates did Gravel pick up? How 'bout Kodo? Kang?
Do not ask for whom the pigeon squeals, McStain. It squeals for thee.
there is one less inning left for Clinton to hit her grand slam
Clinton made a foul shot when she needed to hit 50 3 pointers
Her goal was deemed offside.
Marcellina
She is disqualified due to an illegally-machined crankshaft.
Her goal was deemed offside.
There is no deeming in baseball.
/Tom Hanks
I would like to accompany res ipsa to Yankee Stadium on tiara day.
I'd be honored, sir.
Current delegate totals:
Obama Pledged: 1484 Super Delegates: 230 Total: 1714
Clinton Pledged: 1330 Super Delegates: 254 Total: 1584
Holden Caulfield
So, when is he going to drop out already?
Obama won 63 delegates in PA; Clinton, 78.
anybody know how I can get a precinct map of Lancaster, PA?
Gimme a few, I'll see if I've got the tiger laying around.
Harold Ford ain't, either.
TKK, if I can get them, I will, promise.
"hadenough,
clinton is behind. she needs blowouts to pickup delegates given the way that they're apportioned. If she pulls off a miracle and does that, fine by me. But she's running out of opportunties to do so.
Atrios"
Neither candidate can win on pledged delegates. Supers will decide this race. A 9-10 point win in PA is not a “bad night for Clinton.”
Obama had and spent more money than God and he had 6 weeks to close the deal. Didn’t happen.
Supers, the ones that will decide this race, have to be thinking hard.
Somehow she has to win a lot of delegates, and opportunities to do so lessen with each contest.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Short of Obama actually attaining the 2050 mark, or whatever it is, there's always the opportunity for Clinton in the smoke-filled back room.
It's only fairly recently that the Convention was simply there to annoint the winner. It didn't used to be that way.
Why did McCain continue to lose after he was the Gas and Oil Party's nominee?
It's all about the horse race.
Which is why I'm simply ready for it to be over.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist
That's when the horse race between the war hero and the bitter orange juice drinker begins!
This campaign is being scripted by like four guys what haven't gotten laid in sixteen years.
I am not scripting this campaign! Wait, what?
The Kenosha Kid
You're stealing simels' schtick.
So does a big finish by HRC tip things in her favor, or does the BO total delegates/popular vote win the day.
We can rail away at our respective positions on this, but it's out of our hands, I think.
noblejoanie
IOW, is it a matter of who won the last state in the last primary election, and the entire process be damned?
Gee, that'll be a great result guaranteed to rally the troops around the nominee.
No. 2 in my "Reasons Hillary Doesn't Have A Snowball's Chance in Hell."
But women have led countries before and such a positive step does not
compare to the prospect of a talented and inspiring black man as leader of the world's major, largely white country
Um...what???
Hillary still needs 71% of all of the remaining delegates to pull this off.
71%. That's a pretty high bar there.
I'd say it was impossible. I don't remember any election where the winner pulled 71% of the vote.
Will she sue?
I think that is what Bill would have her do.
if the argument is that none of the remaining elections actually matter except to the extent that they influence the superdelegates... well, I suppose, but...
there is one less inning left for Clinton to hit her grand slam
Clinton made a foul shot when she needed to hit 50 3 pointers
[searches for hurling analogy; fails]
Gromit | 04.23.08 - 10:14 am | #
HURLING:
COM ON TIPP'
FOOK EM, FOOK EM GOOD, TIPP'
(crote park, 1963)
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I literally had visions of guys coming on set to haul Buchanan away in a net last night. The man's insane.
/
It's only fairly recently that the Convention was simply there to annoint the winner. It didn't used to be that way.
Adam Hominem-unbanned since 08
See my "Reason #2," just above. What was done before primaries is irrelevant to expectations now.
Supers, the ones that will decide this race, have to be thinking hard.
They've been breaking for Obama as of late.
Hillary still needs 71% of all of the remaining delegates to pull this off.
71%. That's a pretty high bar there.
And the current polling suggesting that he's gonna stomp her undead hiney in NC and Indiana in two weeks, not the other way around. And that's almost all the rest of the delegates. Barring some serious goat-fucking video, Obama has it sewed up.
I dislike all the meta-stuff like how a win is really a loss (which means I'm probably not a real political junkie), but I would think that Clinton's campaign would have realized that when she assumed the mantle of Republican-lite, she blew her commanding lead.
Like I said downstairs, the person who starts running against McCain is the one who will be seen as the "real" Democratic nominee. Any further internecine bullshit is only dragging down the party.
I literally had visions of guys coming on set to haul Buchanan away in a net last night. The man's insane.
/
Sparkle Plenty
I can only put up with him when Rachel's there.
You people seem obsessed over "delegates". You do realize most people don't know what the hell you're talking about and couldn't care less. If June polls favor Clinton, she'll be nominated, that's all there is to it. But don't mind me, you just keep on about how double digit losses in major swing states are good for Obama, that should work out well for you.
Sometimes in basketball when a team is behind by 20 points with a minute left, the team that is behind keeps making intentional fouls. No hope of winning, they just want to prolong losing as long as possible, so they keep hacking away, grabbing the other players around the waist, etc. Takes about half an hour to play the last minute. Every now and then someone gets hurt with an intentional foul. It's a really fucked up way to lose.
Think of this like an actual foot race. A 24-mile marathon, just to pick something arbitrary.
Obama is at mile 22, and he's 2 miles ahead of Clinton. Last night, she got herself 100 yards closer. Any pundit trying to earn ratings, is going to talk about how she's gaining ground, and boy, this thing might not be over. Otherwise, viewers change the channel because it's over.
Even though it's over, because she's not really going to sprint at 20mph for the rest of the race.
Why did McCain continue to lose after he was the Gas and Oil Party's nominee?
lipreader
Gas & Oil Party - that is so true. Of course, it would be too partisan and irresponsible and divisive for a Democrat to use that to capitalize on Americans' discontent with spiraling gas prices.
Will she sue?
I think that is what Bill would have her do.
Cheeto
Yesterday in these threads folks were all in a tizzy over the possibilty that HRC would lose PA but spin it as a victory. Today, it's some other ridiculous scenario.
For God's sake, people, the worst does not always come to pass. And HRC is not Satan.
For the little while I watched MSNBC (having far more fun in Athenae's crackvan), the most obnoxious thing I heard was Joe Scarborough asking Harold Ford to pretend he was Bill Clinton and script how he should tell his wife to bow out. You have to be fucking kidding me, tell the little wife the party is over. Get her mink stole, warm up the car, escort her out. And Harold Ford didn't miss a beat, started play acting he was Bill Clinton taking the little woman to task.
Obama won 63 delegates in PA; Clinton, 78.
Vicki
Wiki says 69 for Obama, 82 for Clinton, 7 still unapportioned.
It also paints a bleak picture for Clinton going forward - losing the big states (NC, IN, OR) and winning only in smaller states (KY, WV).
david does not understand how the primary system works, apparently.
IOW, is it a matter of who won the last state in the last primary election, and the entire process be damned?
What have you won for me lately?
I literally had visions of guys coming on set to haul Buchanan away in a net last night. The man's insane.
I find it vaguely hypnotic when Pat really gets going about something, what with the way his jowls start to shimmy and sway side to side.
But don't mind me, you just keep on about how double digit losses in major swing states are good for Obama, that should work out well for you.
david
If you think Obama would lose to McCain in New York, California, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania, you're very dumb.
Obama won 63 delegates in PA; Clinton, 78.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Thank you. So on a "good night" she won 55% of the delegates and she needs to win 71% of the remaining. Not going to happen.
I'd say it was impossible. I don't remember any election where the winner pulled 71% of the vote.
Billy B
Obama could go into stasis and win, but I think he is going to work Indiana and North Carolina very hard. There is some truth to the notion that competing hard in every state will help you in the general.
I literally had visions of guys coming on set to haul Buchanan away in a net last night. The man's insane.
/
Sparkle Plenty
He is a smidge away from saying the n word or calling Hillary a cee you next tuesday. Excitement like he experienced last night negates his super-ego and brings out the true racist id that is Buchanon.
david does not understand how the primary system works, apparently.
Holden Caulfield
The MSM anointed Hillary the winner before New Hampshire. Why didn't we just listen to them and avoid all this bickering?
Tweety was the one who came up with the "too faculty lounge" thing, but Buchanan was digging on it. He thinks HRC has made inroads with "real people."
And Harold Ford didn't miss a beat, started play acting he was Bill Clinton taking the little woman to task.
Classy.
And Harold Ford didn't miss a beat, started play acting he was Bill Clinton taking the little woman to task.
noblejoanie
Harold Ford is the second worst Democratic office holder. Joe Lieberman would be the first.
"If June polls favor Clinton, she'll be nominated, that's all there is to it. "
You don't actually believe this, do you? Because it's not even remotely plausible. Some superdelegates may pick her if she's polling well in June, but not nearly enough to overcome her deficit.
I may win the lottery next year, but I'm not budgeting my spending on that assumption.
Barring some serious goat-fucking video, Obama has it sewed up.
And it would have to be a dead boy-goat at that...
harold ford holds no office.
noblejoanie, I am really glad I missed that.
And Lieberman isn't a Dem.
Wiki says 69 for Obama, 82 for Clinton, 7 still unapportioned.
I pulled the delegate stats from Real Clear Politics.
Atrios, when's the big move?
If you think Obama would lose to McCain in New York, California, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania, you're very dumb.
DJ
I don't think you help your case by including Massachusetts in there.
McGovern won Massachusetts.
"Carol Shepp McCain never existed"-cable news
jr
We should save that for the general. Could provoke a "You can't handle the truth" moment out of McSame if jabbed in at just the right time.
Tony Snow isn't a commentator.
Tweety was the one who came up with the "too faculty lounge" thing, but Buchanan was digging on it. He thinks HRC has made inroads with "real people."
res ipsa loquitur
Damn! Relegated to an abstraction again!
He thinks HRC has made inroads with "real people."
res ipsa loquitur
"Real people. Like in Leave it to Beaver or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid! I love movies and teevee! HAH!"
/tweety
If June polls favor Clinton, she'll be nominated, that's all there is to it.
Doesn't everyone just lurrve unsubstantiated proclamations as such?
harold ford holds no office.
Atrios
I sit corrected.
He thinks HRC has made inroads with "real people."
Real people are old, white and blue collar.
Atrios, when's the big move?
Right after the Metamucil kicks in.
Doesn't everyone just lurrve unsubstantiated proclamations as such?
Billy B
I know you don't want me on your side, but I'm on your side here.
There's an awful lot of unsubstantiated proclaiming going on.
If June polls favor Clinton, she'll be nominated, that's all there is to it.
It will be done in the beginning of June. The rest of the month won't matter.
Gee, my college doesn't have a faculty lounge. Maybe that's my problem.
Real Clear Politics 2008 Democratic Delegates
You people seem obsessed over "delegates". You do realize most people don't know what the hell you're talking about and couldn't care less. If June polls favor Clinton, she'll be nominated, that's all there is to it.
Does anyone have an "uninformed gibberish to English" translator handy?
Lieberman was elected as an independent, running on the Lieberman for Connecticut Party.
If June polls favor Clinton, she'll be nominated, that's all there is to it.
Why have primaries when we can just have a June poll?
And Harold Ford didn't miss a beat, started play acting he was Bill Clinton taking the little woman to task.
I can assure everyone that Bill Clinton does not "take the little woman to task".
Good grief.
Someone on DKos put this in perspective: the bottom line is that before Pennsylvania, Clinton needed to win 66% of the remaining pledged delegates; now she needs to win 71% of those left.
For God's sake, people, the worst does not always come to pass
I hope you are being sarcastic.
1) supreme court appoints Bush over Gore even though Gore wins popoular vote.
2)9/11 is reshaped as a reason to attack a defenseless country. Patriot Act, 4000 US dead, 500,000 Iraqi's dead. N Korea gets nuke, Iran could be bombed any day.
The worst is here!
Gee, my college doesn't have a faculty lounge. Maybe that's my problem.
Molly Ivors
Then you would want access to social networking sites on the intertubes...
Kevin Parker owes me a coke. Upthread, dude.
I don't think you help your case by including Massachusetts in there.
McGovern won Massachusetts.
So did Sen. Clinton. The point is that either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama would win the traditional big Democratic states in the general election (NY, CA, IL, PA, MA, NJ, MI), as well as the rest of New England, Maryland, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, and Washington.
Hillary might excel in the talent and swimsuit competitions....stay tuned!
Lieberman was elected as an independent, running on the Lieberman for Connecticut Party.
Molly Ivors
Gotcha. I knew that. Really I did.
If June polls favor Clinton...
June Pole..... great stripper name.
Someone on DKos put this in perspective: the bottom line is that before Pennsylvania, Clinton needed to win 66% of the remaining pledged delegates; now she needs to win 71% of those left.
Kevin W. Parker
So it was a GREAT night for Clinton!
I can assure everyone that Bill Clinton does not "take the little woman to task".
But according to MoDo, Michelle does put Barack to task.
If we're looking for a silver lining here, it's that all this is pushing her right around the bend.
You're stealing simels' schtick.
This particular routine is held in the public doman by all Jewish men.
I'm a little surprised Pittstown went to Clinton but ...
As expected though, Obama's lead in delegates has hardly been dented. The AP has Obama 130 delegates ahead now. On May 6, North Carolina will choose most of its 134 delegates and Indiana will choose most of its 85 delegates. It is a given at this point, that Obama will win a sweeping victory in North Carolina and since it is larger than Indiana, even a landslide for Clinton will result in Obama having probably something like a 130-150 delegate lead on May 7. After that there just aren't enough states left for Clinton to catch up in the pledged delegates. It's going to be up to the superdelegates.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
ev...Apr23.html#news
Gee, my college doesn't have a faculty lounge. Maybe that's my problem.
Molly Ivors
You've got a lot of problems. You've got a fancy advance degree. You've got boobs. And you're okay with your husband sharing child care/housework duties.
You're about as "real" as me.
Then you would want access to social networking sites on the intertubes...
Oh, noes!
If we're looking for a silver lining here, it's that all this is pushing her right around the bend.
No thanks to you, and your part. 
Gee, my college doesn't have a faculty lounge. Maybe that's my problem.
Molly Ivors
Then you would want access to social networking sites on the intertubes...
Do you really want your colleagues there to witness "coffee meeting monitor"?
You're about as "real" as me.
Eeeek!
Someone on DKos put this in perspective: the bottom line is that before Pennsylvania, Clinton needed to win 66% of the remaining pledged delegates; now she needs to win 71% of those left.
Kevin W. Parker
Someone get the media to take a 6 month remedial math course. Then show them those numbers. Maybe that will change official narrative.
Nah, who am I kidding? They want a horse race, reality be damned.
Yes, we will.
I guess Prof Wombat isn't here...
This particular routine is held in the public doman by all Jewish men.
I'm sorry; I'll haver to see your bris scar.
Shut up, Butler.
I know you don't want me on your side, but I'm on your side here.
What the fuck are you talking about? I might bust your ass, but I gots no problems, just disagreements.
I have best friends that, if you saw us conversing, you'd be sure we hated each other because we always are cussing each other incessantly.
It is a given at this point, that Obama will win a sweeping victory in North Carolina and since it is larger than Indiana, even a landslide for Clinton will result in Obama having probably something like a 130-150 delegate lead on May 7.
But there are no real people in those states.
if the argument is that none of the remaining elections actually matter except to the extent that they influence the superdelegates... well, I suppose, but...
Atrios
That's exactly what I've been saying. Absent a blowout, neither one is going to have the necessary delegates without the superdelegates.
I'm not trying to make an argument for or against either candidate, just saying it's going to come down to what persuades the superdelegates. We all have opinions as to what SHOULD persuade them, of course.
I'm sorry; I'll haver to see your bris scar.
Molly Ivors
I bet you say that to all the boys.
Hey Kenosha,
I went to my first Seder last weekend. We did the Santa Cruz Haggadah!
It is a given at this point, that Obama will win a sweeping victory in North Carolina and since it is larger than Indiana, even a landslide for Clinton will result in Obama having probably something like a 130-150 delegate lead on May 7. After that there just aren't enough states left for Clinton to catch up in the pledged delegates. It's going to be up to the superdelegates.
Who must support Clinton because....well, I'm not sure why they must support Clinton, but apparently they must.
If Hillary wins = Castrating lesbian bitch murderer.
If Obama wins = Fancy black guy with enormous white-wimmin-attracting dong.
This particular routine is held in the public doman by all Jewish men.
I'm sorry; I'll haver to see your bris scar.
Molly Ivors
NO FLIRTING!
No thanks to you, and your part.
I live to serve.
"if the argument is that none of the remaining elections actually matter except to the extent that they influence the superdelegates... well, I suppose, but...
Atrios"
If neither candidate gets to the magic number of 2025 or whatever it is then the supers can decide. They are not bound by pledged delegate count. Those are the rules. So the remaining elections are important for influencing the superdelegates. The margins can be so small by the time all the elections are done a lead can be meaningless.
Also an 8-10 point win is good [npr now says 8].
Obviously, as a mere layperson, I have failed to grasp the magical significance of your "delegates". When Sen Clinton leads in national polls by 6 or 7% and Sen Obama is widely perceived as an irritable, hemming and hawing walking glass jaw in June, superdelegates will bow before the power of your 2% margin in -what did you call them? Oh - "delegates" and nominate the obviously less favored candidate. Now I understand "how primaries work". Thanks for that.
Why have primaries when we can just have a June poll?
Falstaff
Ironic, isn't it. The Republican nominating process is more democratic than the Demoocratic one. Maybe we are all in the wrong party. Entryism!
Faculty Lounge-- We have one, but I have never seen anyone in there except for blood drives. No faculty dining room, no nothin. And no one wants one, since no one has time to use it these days.
But my previous institution (Williams) had a whole house for faculty, with a bar, lovely dining room and -get this- a bowling alley in the basement
The only true Haggadah is the Maxwell House Haggadah
But according to MoDo, Michelle does put Barack to task.
Completely different scenario, MI.
Also an 8-10 point win is good [npr now says 8].
So when NPR says it was 7.5 in about 30 minutes it will be "bad"?
If the superdelegates try to have some kind of a putsch against the will of all the primary and caucus voters, that will be the death knell of the Democratic party. Shit, even I would be tempted to go there and dish out a little 1968 on their asses.
Billyb--I've been waiting to find you here. Here's my pitch about lawns, dear friend!
http://www.organicgardening.com/...77-
1698,00.html
Gee, my college doesn't have a faculty lounge. Maybe that's my problem.
Molly Ivors
Hell, we don't even have faculty parking places at my school.
I just got asked to work with a committee on establishing a faculty senate. I think our first order of business should be to get a lounge with a 52" TV and leather recliners for all senior faculty (the junior folk can have that polyester suede stuff). Oh, and a wet bar.
girrrrl power!
Mark my words: Tweety will use that "too faculty lounge" shit tonight on the teevee.
He was very pleased with himself when he came up with that metaphor.
You're not a girrrrl, Butler.
Also an 8-10 point win is good [npr now says 8].
So when NPR says it was 7.5 in about 30 minutes it will be "bad"?
Holden Caulfield
I'm still fuzzy on this whole "good/bad" thing, Egon.
I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
Not just beaten: crushed.
When Sen Clinton leads in national polls by 6 or 7%
and when will that be?
btw, I found out the names of all the characters that play Cylons in BG and who will be unveiled during this season.
be nice or else!
Obviously, as a mere layperson, I have failed to grasp the magical significance of your "delegates". When Sen Clinton leads in national polls by 6 or 7% and Sen Obama is widely perceived as an irritable, hemming and hawing walking glass jaw in June, superdelegates will bow before the power of your 2% margin
Again, does anyone have a gibberish-to-English translator? I'm trying to understand this level of delusion, really I am.
That's exactly what I've been saying. Absent a blowout, neither one is going to have the necessary delegates without the superdelegates.
I'm not trying to make an argument for or against either candidate, just saying it's going to come down to what persuades the superdelegates. We all have opinions as to what SHOULD persuade them, of course.
noblejoanie
Yes.
I've heard a lot here about how it's impossible for HRC to win (reach 2025) but very little about the possibility that BHO will.
Short of him arriving in Dnever with 2026, the math people here are trumpeting is somewhat irrelevant.
My mom said the faculty lounge at her school was mainly used as a smoking room.
it is what it is. neither candidate will have enough after june 3rd and y'all will have to wait until denver.
talking heads will try to make our heads explode in the meantime. petty, immature, status quo assholes that they are...
Wow, david is obtuse and ultrasensitive.
A two-fur!
Also an 8-10 point win is good [npr now says 8].
Not really, given the nuanced circumstances of a 20% projected lead in PA throughout most of the silly season; coupled with the Clintons' favored status in PA, as well as the enthusiastic support of Rendell and many of the mayors in the state.
These generic Davids really aren't up to the quality standards of the name-brand stuff.
When Sen Clinton leads in national polls by 6 or 7% and Sen Obama is widely perceived as an irritable, hemming and hawing walking glass jaw in June, superdelegates will bow before the power of your 2% margin in -what did you call them?
This one gets more unsubstantiated with each post.
What a pile of drek
Obama cannot win either
If I wanted crap like this I would tune into MSGOP
You would attack ABC for what you just said
ihttp://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/04/
clinton-parties-hard-in-pennsy.html#comment-71519
I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
Not just beaten: crushed.
res ipsa loquitur
Not to go all Debby Boone on ya, but you give me hope!
Who must support Clinton because....well, I'm not sure why they must support Clinton, but apparently they must.
Rmj
Actually, The Carpetbagger Report has an infuriating post about this:
"The New York Times had an item about five weeks ago on how the superdelegates are feeling antsy, but the uncommitted ones don’t want to announce their support for either candidate. Why? Because they’re hoping power-brokers (Dean, Gore, et al) will intervene so they’ll be “relieved of making an excruciating decision that could lose them friends and supporters at home.”
Fuck 'em. If they can't make a fucking decision, strip them of their superdelegate status.
oh yesssssss I am
the sadistics which shall not be named by the corporate media are just HOW difficult to almost impossible it is for hill to win more electoral votes by the convention....but look, ron paul is still in it
it's all about rat-ings and teevee mumbo-jumbo of the chattering classes; nothing else...we know who will have more delegates when it's over
and why is this? to confuse the LIV, that's what these erections are all about
"running on the Lieberman for Connecticut Party.
Molly Ivors"
You mean the "Connecticut for Lieberman" party. Remember who is serving whom ^_^
When Sen Clinton leads in national polls by 6 or 7%
and when will that be?
BlueinColorado
When everyone sees that all the superdelegates are backing her, naturally!
This one gets more unsubstantiated with each post.
Billy B
Dood, 6 or 7% is a MANDATE!!!!
I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
Not just beaten: crushed.
He's already two inches shorter than he was when he began his campaign.
Completely different scenario, MI.
Well, Maurenns sez that Barack can't really hit back at Hillary because he's too used to kowtowing to Michelle.
Or something. I don't think Maureen "gets" gender relationships.
I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
Not just beaten: crushed.
res ipsa loquitur
Oh my dear, please come sit by me and hold my nervous and trembling hand.
You can't namesteal and not know how to use html. Just sayin'
"Look at 'em, ordinary fucking people, I hate 'em."
-- Bud, Repo Man
It's hard for Obama to make his case when he has to run agianst Mrs. and Mr. Clinton.
He's already two inches shorter than he was when he began his campaign.
You mean the "Connecticut for Lieberman" party. Remember who is serving whom ^_^
I stand corrected.
Billyb--I've been waiting to find you here. Here's my pitch about lawns, dear friend!
Thanks, nj. You are a sweetheart.
You'll be pleased to know that I follow that type of program religiously. That's the best way to have a healthy yard, surprisingly enough.
I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
Not just beaten: crushed.
res ipsa loquitur
Ditto. We're gonna mop the floor with his 100%-disabled-tax-free-$50k-pension ass.
If the superdelegates try to have some kind of a putsch against the will of all the primary and caucus voters, that will be the death knell of the Democratic party. Shit, even I would be tempted to go there and dish out a little 1968 on their asses.
blerb
I voted by mail for Edwards in my state primary and he dropped out before the primary. I'd rather beat McCain, even with McClinton, but I'm just an Edwards now Obama Booster. I'll vote for whoever at this point.
I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
Not just beaten: crushed.
res ipsa loquitur
He's gonna get crushed like a bag of potato chips used for fried chicken coating.
Or something. I don't think Maureen "gets" gender relationships.
Molly Ivors |
Is that story about her asking Arianna Huffington to introduce her to Larry David (too good to be) true?
It's hard for Obama to make his case when he has to run agianst Mrs. and Mr. Clinton.
Unrepentant Fenian
He should ignore then and concentrate on McCain and Bush.
Did you see the commercial the DNC put out yesterday? It was very simple and straightforward.
He's going to get crushed. It's going to be like McGovern in whenever-that-was.
I knew you were one of the good people, Billy B!
He's gonna get crushed like a bag of potato chips used for fried chicken coating.
Molly Ivors
I love you, dear, but you Yankees obviously don't "get" fried chicken.
Please Put Your Pennsyls Down: The Fool And The Hill
harold ford holds no office.
Atrios
well, other than heir to Boss Crump.
he certainly ain't gonna practice law until he passes the Tennessee bar. There's always the chance that he could become the news business' Lee Corso, but doesn't Scarborough already have that sewn up?
Cougarhutch still around? I made a crappy looking VTD map that may mean something to you.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/fluffy.j.bu....png?
imgmax=576
Da CRUSHA!
[/Mel Blanc]
Well, Maurenns sez that Barack can't really hit back at Hillary because he's too used to kowtowing to Michelle.
So he should call Michelle a makeup-smeared trollop and something else?
Atrios the elitist left MODO
They were having an affair?
For example, Italy said it would raise its reliance on coal to 33 percent from 14 percent over the next five years, with major electricity producer Enel prepared to increase its reliance on coal to 50 percent.
James E. Hansen, a leading climatologist at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, called building new coal-based plants "ill conceived." He said: "Given our knowledge about what needs to be done to stabilize climate, this plan is like barging into a war without having a plan for how it should be conducted, even though information is available.
Now where have we seen something like that recently? Don't tell me; it's on the tip of my tongue.
He's gonna get crushed like a bag of potato chips used for fried chicken coating.
Molly Ivors
Quoi?
You Yankees do have some strange recipes.
He should ignore then and concentrate on McCain and Bush.
Holden Caulfield
Yup. And res is right: McCain is toast. No way Bush redux wins in November.
.I still think McBush is going to get crushed.
I go back and forth on this one. On the one hand, there's the shit state of the country, McStain's burning passionate love for the war, and the unprecedented Dem advantage in funding and primary turnout. Then on the other hand there's all these polls that have the race as a tossup, and state polling that has had Obama losing the general ever since they put the map up at MyDD. This raises that nagging little doubt that nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
If the superdelegates try to have some kind of a putsch against the will of all the primary and caucus voters, that will be the death knell of the Democratic party. Shit, even I would be tempted to go there and dish out a little 1968 on their asses.
blerb
Absolutely.
The unanswered question, of course, is whether said superdelegates get this or not.
I'm more familiar with crushed potato chips on the top of tuna casserole...
You Yankees do have some strange recipes.
jac
Um...
leave the rest of us out of this, mkay?
Potato chips??
I turned on MSNBC last night...heard Joe Scar going on about what an elitist Barak Obama is...turned channel back to game 7 of Caps and Flyers.
You Yankees do have some strange recipes.
Pshaw, I say!
/prepares green bean and lutefisk cassarole
if Edwards backs Clinton, does she get his delegates?
You can't namesteal and not know how to use html. Just sayin'
bug was namestealing me yesterday, sans dayglo gravatar.
What an ultramaroon.
Comedy stylings of Atrios:
"last night was actually a bad night for Clinton"
-----------------------------------
So, if Hillary lost it would be a good night for her? Atrios is still hungover from last's night reality test for Obama.
you Yankees obviously don't "get" fried chicken.
It was either that or steal from Blackadder: "he's going to get crushed like a giant crushed thing."
(Actually, I use seasoned breadcrumbs myself, but I saw a recipe somewhere for potato chip coating.)
Potato chips??
Is this one of those Kraft "Back Of The Box Gourmet" recipes?
This raises that nagging little doubt that nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
blerb
And the fact that an awful lot of them get their information from Tweety, Pumpkin Haid, and the like. Who will of course, be pulling out all the stops for McCain.
It's really fucking sad, is what it is.
speak of the devil, billy b...
From Markos:
Obama's percent of the vote:
OH PA
60 and older 28 38
White 34 38
White men 39 44
White women 31 34
Less than $50K 42 46
No college 40 38
College 51 49
Catholic 36 31
Protestant 36 53
He's gaining, across the board, in demographics. He'll win NC by a wide margin, and I think he'll win in Indiana.
Realistically, she doesn't have a prayer, but let the process play out. It's good that people are actually getting to vote.
Atrios is definitely beginning to sound like the MSM except he says "This can only be good for Obama"
I love you, dear, but you Yankees obviously don't "get" fried chicken.
Rmj, Unreal Theologist
You know, you always say stuff like this, but you never do anything about it.
We don't "get" fried chicken, or chili, or BBQ.
SHOW ME. SHOW ME how we don't get it.
Put on your apron and start cooking.
Then, we'll talk.
"Hey, Laura found mah coke spoon!"
Bugs
Back from soiling the atmosphere at Digby's blog, racist pig?
Ah, shit....
Those first numbers are for Ohio, second numbers are for PA.
It looked all pretty and stuff when I typed it, but...
preview, as always, is my friend.
Then on the other hand there's all these polls that have the race as a tossup, and state polling that has had Obama losing the general ever since they put the map up at MyDD
That map is monintored by one of HRC's most passionate supporters, who is very slow to update bad numbers for HRC and good ones for BO, and the biggest problem is that it underlines that she can't win without FL. He can.
I'm more familiar with crushed potato chips on the top of tuna casserole...
Or green bean and mushroom soup casserole, though the crispy onions are also possible there.
Is it too early for lunch?
And my fucking head still hurts.
Elizabeth Edwards to endorse Senator Clinton
Howard Fineman predicts
This one gets more unsubstantiated with each post.
Billy B
'Shrooms kicking in?
Got the new North Mississippi Allstars. Rawks.
Howard Fineman predicts
Well, then.
I go back and forth on this one. On the one hand, there's the shit state of the country, McStain's burning passionate love for the war, and the unprecedented Dem advantage in funding and primary turnout. Then on the other hand there's all these polls that have the race as a tossup, and state polling that has had Obama losing the general ever since they put the map up at MyDD. This raises that nagging little doubt that nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
blerb
As of now, it's just closer with the Obama/McCain matchup, and it could lead to a tie in electoral votes. NC's 15.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/ev...Maps/
Apr23.html
I think that would change if the primary was over and we had a nominee, whoever it was.
Realistically, she doesn't have a prayer, but let the process play out. It's good that people are actually getting to vote.
Vicki, Who
Just so long as they don't use up all their resources on battling each other.
This raises that nagging little doubt that nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
blerb
And the fact that an awful lot of them get their information from Tweety, Pumpkin Haid, and the like. Who will of course, be pulling out all the stops for McCain.
It's really fucking sad, is what it is.
Adam Hominem-unbanned since 08
Once more, with feeling:
Before NH, Hillary had already "won" by 20 points.
And...
Nobody is paying attention right now. The national campaign begins in August (or maybe June). McCain is running on how much like Bush he can be. And thanks to the relentless support of the MSM, Bush is the most popular president in history.
Wait? He isn't? But the MSM is all powerful....
Then on the other hand there's all these polls that have the race as a tossup, and state polling that has had Obama losing the general ever since they put the map up at MyDD
That map is monintored by one of HRC's most passionate supporters, who is very slow to update bad numbers for HRC and good ones for BO, and the biggest problem is that it underlines that she can't win without FL. He can.
BlueinColorado
Whatever else in life you do, DO NOT believe everything you read on myDD.
Just saying.
From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
After Clinton's victory last night, the latest out of Clinton camp is that Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama in the popular vote. Of course, as we noted in First Thoughts, this can only be done by including Florida and Michigan, which is what the Clinton campaign has done.
Oh God, I am leaving.
Later, 'bats.
Peace. (please ask her nicely to leave for me, k?)
And my fucking head still hurts.
res ipsa loquitur
I told you - padded headboard. But did you listen? NOOOOOOOO . . .
Howard Fineman predicts
Well, then.
Zap Rowsdower
When it comes to prognostications, Fineman's right up there with Criswell !
Flour and spices, adhered by marinating the chicken in a buttermilk marinade with a couple of eggs thrown in at the end. That's all I ever coat my fried chicken with.
Well, the Edwards are more focused on domestic rather than international issues, so that makes a certain sense.
But John only had about 12 delegates, so it doesn't make a difference that way.
In PA
Clinton and Obama split the youth vote
He isn't making any gains and is losing his competitive edge.
Hillary will win Indiana and close the gap in NC. Folks get on the Hillary bandwagon, we'll going to the Whitehouse!
PS. Remember. I've been right and you people been WRONG!
Did you see the commercial the DNC put out yesterday? It was very simple and straightforward.
Yes, it's excellent. Very effective marketing. Hits him with several chairs.
Blows his words right out of the water.
Nobody is paying attention right now. The national campaign begins in August (or maybe June). McCain is running on how much like Bush he can be. And thanks to the relentless support of the MSM, Bush is the most popular president in history.
Wait? He isn't? But the MSM is all powerful....
Rmj, Unreal Theologist
Hope you're right. Fear you're wrong.
Edwards has 18 delegates.
Never underestimate the power of the conventional wisdom.
He's gaining, across the board, in demographics. He'll
Except he lost votes among the "no college" types.
That explains david.
Petraeus tapped for new CENTCOM chief.
Payoff complete.
-
Flour and spices,
You and the Colonel.
Edwards has 18 delegates.
Yeah--it's not going to close the gap was my point.
well i must say i am impressed by HRC's tenacity and will.
this is not snark.
Hillary is delusional. She is screaming about her huge victory in PA (just like she crowed over her huge "victory" in Texas, accomplished by Republican Limpball crossovers, and which still ended up being a delegate win for Obama), not mentioning she blew a 20-26 point lead and has bankrupted her campaign in the process. CNN and the rest of the media are trying to keep this alive but we know the truth: her campaign is through. I don't care if she did raise $2.5M after this primary (almost enough to pay Mark Penn and his McCain-lovin' firm) - Obama will raise more, and his campaign will now use everything in its power to finish her off. She has squandered everything on one primary win. She has alienated a huge amount of voters in the Democratic Party. She has won a less than double-digit victory in a state that she should have been able to practically ignore just a few weeks ago. She now needs to win EVERY upcoming primary with at least 68-70% of the delegate count, which can basically be done by machine-gunning every potential Obama voter. The only way Hillary can win the nomination is by stealing and intimidation, which will ruin her - and the Dems' - chances in the GE against McSame. So go ahead, Hillary. Keep living in your little dream world. Get Edwards or whatever other person you can to try to help you out of the hole you have dug. Try denying your Iran remarks and your Iraq War vote and your deep and abiding love of John McCain and your insults to the hard working progressive base and NetRoots of the Democratic Party. I'll just sit here and watch the meltdown. It will be quite fun watching the end of you and your husband's political careers.
Howard Fineman predicts
That Clairol for Men will soon release a line of "Distinguished Pundit Auburn".
we'll going to the Whitehouse!
Mebbe, but Obama is going to the White House.
You know, you always say stuff like this, but you never do anything about it.
We don't "get" fried chicken, or chili, or BBQ.
SHOW ME. SHOW ME how we don't get it.
Put on your apron and start cooking.
Then, we'll talk.
res ipsa loquitur
C'mon into the kitchen, darlin'.
I'll make food so good you'll slap your Momma. I'll make food so tasty, you're tongue'll slap your brains out. I'll cook up a pot o' chili and a pot ' gumbo and some jambalaya and garlic cheese grits and fried chicken and fresh biscuits...
Is it lunchtime yet? I'm about to pass out....
I will not feed the troll.
I will not feed the troll.
I will not feed the troll.
Hope, Change, Unity and "Yes we Can" didn't work in Pa.
Hillary 2008!
Well, for all the navel-gazing, nothing that happened last night will make a difference in the end. Barring the earth opening up and swallowing him, Obama will be the nominee. It will just happen later rather than sooner. And I say this as someone who would, in fact, be happy to vote for Hillary, had she won.
There are not many sure things in politics, but this one I would happily wager a grand one, should any trool wish to put its money where its fetid mouth is.
That Clairol for Men will soon release a line of "Distinguished Pundit Auburn".
I dunno: Tweety Orange isn't selling well.
Petraeus tapped for new CENTCOM chief.
He's gonna cut-n-run?
C'mon into the kitchen, darlin'.
I'll make food so good you'll slap your Momma.
I'll be in Texas on June 6th.
Bring it.
Poodle rode Heathrow Express without ticket
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/
2008...0uvdzElsJRvaA8F
euphronius, you're Phillynesian right?
you want to know why the youth vote counts?
This is why.
I will not feed the troll.
Adam Hominem-unbanned since 08
Two things I don't get: talking to trolls, and watching MSNBC.
well i must say i am impressed by HRC's tenacity and will.
this is not snark.
euphronius
With me, it's just the opposite, because it just underscores she didn't show them for eight of the worst years this country has seen, just the last eight weeks, and against a Democrat, not Bush.
euphronius, you're Phillynesian right?
cahuenga | 04.23.08 - 10:48 am | #
oui.
Tweety was the one who came up with the "too faculty lounge" thing, but Buchanan was digging on it. He thinks HRC has made inroads with "real people."
1. The whole "too faculty lounge" thing is bullshit
2. And faculty are "real people"
C'mon into the kitchen, darlin'.
I'll make food so good you'll slap your Momma. I'll make food so tasty, you're tongue'll slap your brains out. I'll cook up a pot o' chili and a pot ' gumbo and some jambalaya and garlic cheese grits and fried chicken and fresh biscuits...
Is it lunchtime yet? I'm about to pass out....
Can I come?
.That map is monintored by one of HRC's most passionate supporters, who is very slow to update bad numbers for HRC and good ones for BO
Thanks, I'll take that under advisement. And as * pointed out, the map at e-v.com is a little less pessimistic.
So I should really have faith that this is McCain's apogee right here, and that he's going to crater bigtime on re-entry.
So what happened with Tweety last night? He seemed to have an aneurysm in the middle of a thought.
Keith looked like he was going to have to go CPR on him.
Brokaw laughed.
well i must say i am impressed by HRC's tenacity and will.
this is not snark.
euphronius
Right or wrong, that's a large part of why I supported her.
Thomas Keller gets fried chicken
http://www.inuyaki.com/archives/84
euphronius,
Some work just dropped in my lap, in Philly, in a few weeks, and all downtown hotels are booked solid. I have 2 options, hotels out at Philly International or over in Cherry Hill. I know nothing about that part of NJ. Please advise.
I don't want to tell anyone what they should do with their blog, but I will say I generally appreciate this one and I do hope Mr Black can keep his shit together for another 2 months. We all saw what happened to Josh Marshall, I'm not sure I'll ever rely on him again the way I have in the past. I'm sure none of this is about me, but I thought someone ought to say something.
So, if Hillary lost it would be a good night for her? Atrios is still hungover from last's night reality test for Obama.
It's too late buggy
Now it's too late
And we're glad to see that you hate it
You're out of luck, you fuck, you suck
And all you can do is fake it
C'mon into the kitchen, darlin'.
I'll make food so good you'll slap your Momma. I'll make food so tasty, you're tongue'll slap your brains out. I'll cook up a pot o' chili and a pot ' gumbo and some jambalaya and garlic cheese grits and fried chicken and fresh biscuits...
Is it lunchtime yet? I'm about to pass out....
Rmj, Unreal Theologist |
Crawfish and catfish and shrimp'n'grits...
Poodle rode Heathrow Express without ticket
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/ 2008...0uvdzElsJRvaA8F
P O'Neill
I've done the same thing, just didn't get caught. Easy to get confused on which trains sell tickets on board, and which don't.
Oh please please superdelegates pick Barack! All those blacks and college pukes will never forgive us. This year, superdelegates MUST go with the pledged delegate "leader", unlike any other year. Yep, thats it.
I didn't see any reports regarding exit polling and how they did or did not align with the "official" results.
Anybody?
Some work just dropped in my lap, in Philly, in a few weeks, and all downtown hotels are booked solid. I have 2 options, hotels out at Philly International or over in Cherry Hill. I know nothing about that part of NJ. Please advise.
cahuenga | 04.23.08 - 10:50 am
how are you planning on traveling to your client? rented car?
what happened to Josh Marshall?
Oh, just fucking kill me.
Just now:
1. Receive email that I know needs immediate attention. Begin reacting.
2. One minute later: phone rings. It's email sender. I know what she's going to say ("Didja get that thing I sent you"), so I don't pick up.
3. One minute later: CELL phone rings. WHo is it? Yes, email sender. I don't pick up.
Yes, I am a petulant, passive aggressive bitch.
But yes, she is a huge pain in my ass.
It's good that people are actually getting to vote.
all the hell we've been through for the last month and a half boils down to a net gain of what? six delegates? five?
This sucks. I'm a native Hoosier, and I'd have to say that we'd all be better off if the Indiana primary didn't count for shit, the way it usually turns out.
res ipsa loquitur : You know, you always say stuff like this, but you never do anything about it.
We don't "get" fried chicken, or chili, or BBQ.
SHOW ME. SHOW ME how we don't get it.
Put on your apron and start cooking.
Then, we'll talk.
Did she have to talk all sexy like that? Dang.
Barring the earth opening up and swallowing him, Obama will be the nominee.
I agree. But it's not over yet. And she didn't "lose" last night, nor is she destroying the party by staying in.
It will be quite fun watching the end of you and your husband's political careers
(You must be totally insane in the brain.) Or maybe you are just 3 years old.
MoDo:
Is he skittish around her because he knows that she detests him and he’s used to charming everyone? Or does he feel guilty that he cut in line ahead of her? As the husband of Michelle, does he know better than to defy the will of a strong woman? Or is he simply scared of Hillary because she’s scary?
hillary just got a touchdown.
but there's 30 seconds left in the game and she's 14 points behind.
I've never even attempted fried chicken. I'd be really skeert of fucking it up and getting oil all over my apartment.
"If the superdelegates try to have some kind of a putsch against the will of all the primary and caucus voters, that will be the death knell of the Democratic party. Shit, even I would be tempted to go there and dish out a little 1968 on their asses.
blerb"
Would a tiny lead in pledged delegates for one candidate mean that candidate had the "will of all the primary and caucus voters"? What about all the primary and caucus voters that voted for the other candidate? The current system isn't new. Suddenly it's very bad.
Right now neither candidate can win on pledged delegates. Anybody can do the maths for Hillary and show winning on pledged delegates is almost impossible. No ‘liberal’ on the face of the earth can seem to the maths that also shows it’s almost impossible for obama to win on pledged delegates. Supers will decide. The remaining primaries are important.
how are you planning on traveling to your client? rented car?
Fly into Philly International and rent a car. I know Philly real well, it's the other side of the bridge that is a mystery to me.
I turned on MSNBC last night...heard Joe Scar going on about what an elitist Barak Obama is...turned channel back to game 7 of Caps and Flyers.
"Obama could demonstrate he's truly a man of the people by killing an intern."
-- Joe Scarborough
nor is she destroying the party by staying in.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 10:52 am
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
agree. i cam to that realization over teh past week or so. this is good for the democratic "brand" and party i think.
and damage she is doing to Barack (raising his negatives) would have been done by McCain anyway.
res,
RMJ will excoriate me, but I do it in the oven. Much cleaner.
They're now saying that she won by 8.51% of the vote. That's about what I expected.
over in Cherry Hill.
They usta to have some hot night clubs. Not so much no more.
watertiger--that student's parents should be so proud of him. He's a credit to them and his school. Brings a tear to my eyes. That's really speaking truth to power.
Wouldn't hotels in King Of Prussia or thereabouts be closer than Cherry Hill?
Fly into Philly International and rent a car. I know Philly real well, it's the other side of the bridge that is a mystery to me.
cahuenga | 04.23.08 - 10:53 am | #
if rates are the same, id stay in PA as you avoid the bridge tolls (which you could probably expense I suppose).
but cherry hill is fine. it is NOT NOT NOT Camden.
As I understand it, if the final vote tally shows that Hillary Clinton won by 9.682374% or more, it was a hugh blowout victory which totally changes the state of the race. If she won by 9.42439204% or less, it was an extremely disappointing result that virtually assures that she will never be elected to anything higher than dogcatcher for the rest of her life.
Anything in between those two numbers mandates a three-way race for the presidency between Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, and Gus Hall.
Obama earth day celebration
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/
ap...ctid=1517402075
I've never even attempted fried chicken. I'd be really skeert of fucking it up and getting oil all over my apartment.
Do not deep fry. Pan fry. Cast iron black skillet.
I've never even attempted fried chicken. I'd be really skeert of fucking it up and getting oil all over my apartment.
res ipsa loquitur
No Problem.
Did you guys talk about Scarborough walking off in a huff after Maddow told him to let her speak the other day?
More MoDo:
In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.
But this is clearly a man who can’t wait to get back to his organic scrambled egg whites. That was made plain with his cri de coeur at the Glider Diner in Scranton when a reporter asked him about Jimmy Carter and Hamas.
“Why” he pleaded, sounding a bit, dare we say, bitter, “can’t I just eat my waffle?”
His subtext was obvious: Why can’t I just be president? Why do I have to keep eating these gooey waffles and answering these gotcha questions and debating this gonzo woman?
I think HRC won PA because its demographics play to her strengths. Older feminists like her alot. There aren't enough of them to win decisively in November though.
I liked BHO's response though. "Not how to win, but why we should." Thats some good lines right there.
RMJ will excoriate me, but I do it in the oven. Much cleaner.
You already said you coat it with potato chips. The oven is a non-issue.
watertiger--that student's parents should be so proud of him. He's a credit to them and his school. Brings a tear to my eyes. That's really speaking truth to power.
Yeah, I saw that earlier. That was a great diary.
I am dead serious about the wager, btw. Anyone who fervently believes that HRC will be the Democratic nominee, I'll wager any amount of $$ up to a grand on it, with the first person to accept. The only out will be if one of them dies.
How will it be enforced? PayPal the funds to a third-party willing to act as an escrow agent, who will deliver them to the winner.
Anything in between those two numbers mandates a three-way race for the presidency between Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, and Gus Hall.
Gravelmentum, bitches!
but cherry hill is fine. it is NOT NOT NOT Camden.
Thanks, I've heard stories.
BTW, how much is that bridge toll?
res ipsa loquitur : I've never even attempted fried chicken. I'd be really skeert of fucking it up and getting oil all over my apartment.
I prefer to slow cook it in a skillet, but I ususally have to default to the FryDaddy, since the Red Queen refuses to tell me she wants any until after she's starving.
eta: damn, I want that chicken fryer.
Yes, I am a petulant, passive aggressive bitch.
But in a good way.
But no, you were right not to pick up, unless "immediate attention" means "call the ambulance."
How will it be enforced? PayPal the funds to a third-party willing to act as an escrow agent, who will deliver them to the winner.
I volunteer to do the Pay Pal thingy.
Supers will decide.
Again, they are moving to Obama.
Members of Bill Clinton's cabinet are endorsing Obama.
Oops.
Thomas Keller gets fried chicken
That's pretty similar to what I do, except I just add the brine components to a bunch of buttermilk and marinate the chicken overnight in that. Then I dump most of the marinade and convert the rest into a dilute eggwash to adhere the flour coating. That puts enough flour on there that you don't need to dredge it a second time. It's very important to let the chicken chill for an hour or twobefore frying it also. And I highly reccoment peanut oil for the actual frying.
He's a credit to them and his school.
She. She is.
I agree. But it's not over yet. And she didn't "lose" last night, nor is she destroying the party by staying in.
Molly Ivors
So all these dems who claim they will sit at home or vote for McSttain if Hill doesn't get nomination is not hurting. And when you ask why they won't vote for Obama they quote something from a hillary ad. I think it is fine if she stays in, but her negative campaigning against Obama is hurting the party.
You already said you coat it with potato chips. The oven is a non-issue.
I did *not* say that! I said I use seasoned breadcrumbs. (And usually milk and egg or water and egg first.)
85% of the Pa. vote was taken on those damn dre's w/o any ability to check the accuracy of the vote.
I simply do not trust this shit anymore.
"Obama could demonstrate he's truly a man of the people by killing an intern."
-- Joe Scarborough
Certified Mutant Enemy
Oh, you bad.
I have a nice cast iron skillet. It's a Wagner. My brother got it for me.
Did you guys talk about Scarborough walking off in a huff after Maddow told him to let her speak the other day?
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 10:55 am | #
My theory is he was afraid the subject of the dead intern in his office might come up.
Seriously....
eta: damn, I want that chicken fryer.
Meander,
Heh.
That's what my mother has always used for fried chicken - comes out great.
You can get them on eBay a lot cheaper.
In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.
Like she gorges on waffles, pancakes, and sausage every morning.
BTW, how much is that bridge toll?
cahuenga | 04.23.08 - 10:56 am | #
$3 from NJ to PA. no toll PA to Jersey.
Cherry Hill is probably closer than the Airport. depending on where your client is.
So all these dems who claim they will sit at home or vote for McSttain if Hill doesn't get nomination is not hurting.
As I don't believe they exist, no.
This is why.
watertiger
Awesome.
res, better not to take career advice from Marcellina
But no, you were right not to pick up, unless "immediate attention" means "call the ambulance."
The thing is, I GAVE it my immediate attention. Her boss had told me last week, "I am gonna start sending you all these dox that are going to need immediate turnaround." Done. I got it. I get it. Fine. I don't need to told again. And I don't need to be managed by some nervous nellie that works for her. Kee-rist!
My theory is he was afraid the subject of the dead intern in his office might come up.
Oh, you always believe that.
Really good job of ignoring *it* this morning, folks.
Thanks, and thanking you in advance for more of the same....
I am dead serious about the wager, btw. Anyone who fervently believes that HRC will be the Democratic nominee, I'll wager any amount of $$ up to a grand on it, with the first person to accept. The only out will be if one of them dies.
I shared the story the other day, but I'll post it again, just because I can.
I was in a store the other day and a guy was talking to the proprieter. He said that McDouchebag will be our next president. I started laughing and the guy looked at me funny.
I bet the dude $100 on the spot that Obama would mop the floor with McCadaver. Guy wouldn't take the bet.
How will it be enforced? PayPal the funds to a third-party willing to act as an escrow agent, who will deliver them to the winner.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
I'll do it.
and damage she is doing to Barack (raising his negatives) would have been done by McCain anyway.
I understand that argument, and there's some merit to it.
If I had any confidence that she would play by the rules and graciously step aside, I would agree. I'm just beginning to fear that we will never again have a presidential election that won't be decided in court.
Thanks euphronius. I’m hoping to rent an Escalade when I get there. That way I can drive the same route as SEPTA with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake just for Atrios.
've never even attempted fried chicken. I'd be really skeert of fucking it up and getting oil all over my apartment.
res ipsa loquitur
You need a Splatter Screen. All kinds of fun . . .
.
As the husband of Michelle, does he know better than to defy the will of a strong woman?
Maureen Dowd is a sick person.
I mean, I'll act as escrow agent.
I won't take that wager.
res, better not to take career advice from Marcellina
mimi | 04.23.08 - 10:58 am | #
You should listen to mimi. She's always right.
But in terms of who is actually going to win this thing, last night was actually a bad night for Clinton.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's your gig, Atrios.
In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.
Anthropologists will study scribblings like this some day in their efforts to make sense of the collective psychosis of the Elite Media class in the US of A, circa first decade of the 21st c.
would saying "maureen dowd needs to be put out to pasture" be sexist?
I spied a male student's photo first, watertiger. SHE is a credit.
In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.
He's not a man of the people unless he shares their clogged arteries?
I may not always be right but I do have better career management skills than Marcellina.
res, better not to take career advice from Marcellina
mimi | 04.23.08 - 10:58 am | #
You should listen to mimi, Otter. She's pre-Psycho.
Sen. Katherine "Tits" Harris
Fixed your typo.
This campaign is being scripted by like four guys what haven't gotten laid in sixteen years.
I am not scripting this campaign! Wait, what?
The Kenosha Kid
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
You're actually 4 guys?
The second Silver Palate cookbook has a great oven fried chicken recipe
Not the same as fried fried but for people with fear of frying pretty darn good.
SHE is a credit.
all those kids at Knox are, really. The signage, the protests, the questions...
Way to go, Knox College!
The problem I usually have with pan-fried chicken is not using enough oil.
well, that and using a stainless skillet instead of cast iron. but I'm not supposed to be using cast iron cookware, doctor's orders, so I'm just gonna have to live with that.
Can you imagine how fat you would get if you tucked in heartily at every single campaign meal stop? I eat big once a day, and still I get fat.
res, better not to take career advice from Marcellina
mimi | 04.23.08 - 10:58 am | #
Want to hear something amazing? All my sophisticated European friends tell me that I look remarkably like Shirley Stoller.
How I got all those runway modelling gigs is really beyond me....
Any reports on exit polling?
David, you're WRONG.
The totals came in at 8%.
So it was *not* a "double digit" loss.
And all those women voting for Hillary are NOT going to vote for McCain. Only the Republicans who voted for her because Rush told them to will go that way.
Maureen Dowd: Professional Shark Jumper
.
"I mean, I'll act as escrow agent.
I won't take that wager.
res ipsa loquitur"
I was hoping an Esq. would volunteer. You'd be ideal.
Come on trolls, show the courage of your convictions. I don't hate Hillary at all, but there's no way she's going to win. If you really believe what you're saying, and not just spinning and thinking wishfully, this should be easy money...
He's not a man of the people unless he shares their clogged arteries?
And then remember all the jokes about Bill being tubby, and then making fun of him for jogging.
res,
RMJ will excoriate me, but I do it in the oven. Much cleaner.
Molly Ivors
I have a huge, deep pan, made especially for frying chicken. Holds a whole cut-up chicken handily.
I also have my mother's cast iron, 100+ year old skillet, which is what she always used. 'Course, she put newspapers all over the stove when she fried chicken. But I don't take the paper....
He's not a man of the people unless he shares their clogged arteries?
As Feral pointed out this morning, I'm sure she eats more egg-white omelets than he does.
I don't blame the guy at all--anyone who's traveled a lot knows that at a certain point you just want your own kitchen, your own fridge, your own family. It must be hell on both of them.
jac : That's what my mother has always used for fried chicken - comes out great.
You can get them on eBay a lot cheaper.
What does your mom use for oil in her fryer? Vegetable, corn, canola, peanut (right out - allergies), or (dare I say it) porK?
Preserve or start from scratch for each session?
eating big once a day will make you fat. that is the completely wrong thing to do.
sheets
there are four Cylons abord Battlestar Galactica
my next post after being harassed will reveal the name of the first Cylon character and ruin the season for all of you
So all these dems who claim they will sit at home or vote for McSttain if Hill doesn't get nomination is not hurting.
As I don't believe they exist, no.
Molly Ivors |
Some chick over at the music forum I frequent posted that she doesn't like either dem candidate and will vote republican for the first time.
I was hoping an Esq. would volunteer. You'd be ideal.
I volunteered before she did, but I don't have the fancy JD, so I'm roundly ignored.
Way to go, bro-in-law.
hi Elias
good morning bats
He's not a man of the people unless he shares their clogged arteries?
watertiger
two words:
"fried twinkies"
He's not a man of the people unless he shares their clogged arteries?
And then remember all the jokes about Bill being tubby, and then making fun of him for jogging.
MikeJ
Democrats -- Damned If They Do, Damned If They Don't.
Ain't it fun????
- signed,
Your Beloved MSM
I have this 20" diameter 2-level aluminum steamer, and I use the bottom section of it 1/2 full with peanut oil as my chicken fryer. It has much more capacity than any frying pan, and the lid serves as a splatter screen. Works well.
I don't read MoDo straight up anymore, it's gotta be through the Whyiskey Fire filter.
I may not always be right but I do have better career management skills than Marcellina.
mimi | Homepage | 04.23.08 - 11:01 am | #
That ski instructor gig in Austin working out well for you?
He's not a man of the people unless he shares their clogged arteries?
watertiger
He should have come to my house last night and eaten that chocolate pudding I made. He'd win every primary left in a walk. That stuff had 2 cups of heavy cream in it.
BTW, *everyone*'s "enamored" of Rachel.
We call her "OUR Rachel."
But I don't take the paper....
Rmj
Such a charming phrase. I love it.
Can you imagine how fat you would get if you tucked in heartily at every single campaign meal stop?
Yep. He's eating enough not to be rude. But if they insist that diners are the only place to meet real people, he's got to pace himself.
Hello mimi. How was the wedding?
MoDo:In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak
FUCK MoDo - does she know what that crap will DO to a black man's stomach, much less his heart? Let me tell you, not bloody well worth the Presidency, just for the constipation alone.
would saying "maureen dowd needs to be put out to pasture" be sexist?
no. the phrase is often, and aptly, used about both men and women who have taken leave of their probity.
I had a boss at Large Airplane Manufacturer who nominated me for the fast track to management just before he was put out to pasture.
The metaphor is not as vivid and literal outside of a corporate context, but apt nonetheless.
"I volunteered before she did, but I don't have the fancy JD, so I'm roundly ignored."
a) It's not the JD that matters, it's the license to practice that you might lose if you go stealing from people that placed escrow money in your hands ^_^
b) you're my sister-in-law now, I sort of assumed nobody taking the bait would agree to let you hold their $$$
Sorry for the blogwhore, but the world's greatest echo is in danger over at the homepage....
Oh fucking great.
Petraeus new commander.
Look out Teheran.
Uh...that last Al Fresco post?
Me.
Je ne regrette rien, of course...
Isn't it time for Dowd to take a leave of absence to write another book in which she both comments on society and exposes her neuroses, psychoses, tendencies, latencies, and other assorted quirks. I could use the break.
Petraeus new commander.
Look out Teheran.
I was told yesterday that Iran is toast no matter who's elected president.
MikeJ-
sadly, I'm working.
That's the stuff I'm looking for- are there any numbers attached to those precincts?
I'm most interested in the city... and surrounding Lanc Twp.
And Hill just threatened Iran with nuke obliteration last week.
Great.
How about those exit polls??
Anybody??
US military chief calls Iran top challenge, urges dialogue
Apr 15, 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Iran is likely to be the top challenge for the United States over the next five years, the top US military officer said Tuesday, adding that a way should be found to open a dialogue with Tehran.
Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Iran "is at the heart of a great deal of discontent and disruption and instability in that part of the world.
"So I have expectations that Iran will remain front and center certainly for at least the next three to five years," he said, responding to questions after a speech at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank here.
Mullen added that all options needed to be kept on the table, but "I am not arguing that that is where the next conflict occurs."
"And I would hope that in the future we could figure out a way to dialogue with them to figure out a way ahead. We've done that in the past with our enemies. We should be able to do that as well," he said...
I wonder if there were many in the audience who fainted. Riots?
http://afp.google.com/article/
AL...uXj2Vl7QOWY0Meg
If we make it through the election without attacking Iran, we've got a chance. All too likely that Iran'll provide, yet again, the October Surprise.
Two things about Iran, which nobody but me seems to be saying. First, that it's in the interest of the current bastards ruining Iran, and not the 60+% of the country that recently voted for a reformist president, that there be an external demon to play against politically; the US and Israel are, in fact, playing into Ahmadinejad's hands. Secondly, that a nationalist Arab Iraqi, Sadr, and nationalist Iranians, do not share a commonality of interest at all, even if both are Shi'ite, absent an external enemy, the United States, uniting them.
American policy in Iran, from the coup against Mossadegh to right now, has been so consistently counterproductive, ignorant, morally and ethically wrong, and counter to American interests as to fairly boggle the mind.
Um last I checked no candidate has hit the majic number and no candidate will unless they get the votes of the superdelegates. And according to the rulz (which seem so important in regards to many people feeling the need to follow them to a t- regarding FL and MI) well those same exact rulz say supers can vote for whomever the heck they want to for whatever the heck reason they want to.
Even though you preferred Obama, you've been much more realistic and even handed than many A-lister sites and I've enjoyed this site since Pre-Iraq War days (different handle back then and mainly a lurker)....but now I see you're spinning the "when a Hillary win is really a loss" type of crap that I am sick and tired of being force fed from the msm and left blogs such as Josh Marshall, and dkos...please let the voters vote...isn't that what this really is about. You're better than this or so I thought. And please whatever you do, don't tell me that I'm really a racist and not a democrat like some other sites have done...insulting and dismissing people who have said they'd support the eventual democratic nominee no matter who wins it, certainly isn't helpful either.
Iran just announced they are cooperating with UN nuclear inspectors. Gee, Hillary, kinda makes you look like an asshole, doesn't it? And BTW, Hillary, how come no one demands nuclear inspectors for Israel? And how come you never protest China's nuclear weapons by asking that America boycott the Olympics. Fuck you, Hillary, who I now will crown Miss 8.6%.
Dom, you are such a dope.
The left leaning blogs are becoming as surreal as the beltway whores. Atrios, Avarosis(sp?), Kos, all say its over, but Obambi is 300 votes short of have a first ballot win. According to CNN delegate count, he is about 130 delegates ahead of Hillary. Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon and Montana hold primaries in the days to come. How hard will it be for him to get 300 votes in those four states? If I remember the rules right, the pledged delegates are obligated only on the first ballot.
A variation of Clinton rules, I guess: If a Clinton does something, that something is inheriently evil and wrong. If something is done to a Clinton, the something is inheriently good.
May God have mercy on your soul, Duncan.
You have now invited the wrath of the net's Clinton supporters, who get very, very, very ANGRY when anyone mentions the delegate count.
Because numbers are biased for Obama.
Or...
people might see the ultimate irony of atrios linking to JMM and repeating Obama campaign talking points with impunity.
ABC has Clinton ahead in the popular vote counting both Florida and Michigan.
Oh, forgot, we don't like ABC anymore?
Right?
But in terms of who is actually going to win this thing, last night was actually a bad night for Clinton.
Wow. I expect better from you, Duncan. Wow.
"ABC has Clinton ahead in the popular vote counting both Florida and Michigan.
Oh, forgot, we don't like ABC anymore?
"
She's ahead counting a contest THAT DIDN'T HAVE OBAMA ON THE BALLOT. If you take the undecided votes in that primary and give them to him, he's up, and if you split between him and Edwards, they're about even. Even your desperate spin doesn't work out in your favour.
Extremely disappointing concession to reality, Atrios.
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