I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
McCain!
He's never wrong!
Up is down in Wingnut World.
Sure he was on. He has a penis. Apparently, that's a requirement for being on the bobblehead shows.
mer?
McCain reliably informed about anything? He doesn't even know how many houses he owns, crikey.
You funny man.
Is it 2012 already?
hey, John.
you cant put up a post that the threads have been talking about for three hours.
geesssh.
ibid:
Say whaaa?
McCain Offers Full-Throated Defense Of Palin: ‘She Would Make A Fine President’
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07...alin-selection/
Of Crazy Land, maybe.
Monica_A:
this proves that mcsame will say anything, do anything.
it is, on its face, insane and a lie.
he would pick her again cause he liked losing and liked having the pick seen as firm evidence of his bad judgment and recklessness by a significant majority of Americans?
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUni...Uni...=6067150&
page=1
On the vice presidential candidates, 52 percent of likely voters say McCain's pick of Palin has made them less confident in the kind of decisions he'd make as president; that's up 13 points since just after the selection, as doubts about Palin's qualifications (also voiced by Powell on Sunday) have grown. Just 38 percent say it makes them more confident in McCain's judgment, down 12 points.
Those numbers are more than reversed on Obama's pick of Joe Biden: 56 percent of likely voters say it makes them more confident in Obama's decision-making, 31 percent less so.
peterboy | 07.12.09 - 12:53 pm
Sure he was on. He has a penis. Apparently, that's a requirement for being on the bobblehead shows.
What do you think their bobbling heads are attached to?
My UBS case is still dragging on. Can't reveal the names of all those U.S. Tax Cheats, that would violate Swiss Banking Laws.
Flying under the radar. Imagine if I were Secretary of the Treasury........
Damn you to hell leibniz!!!
NTodd, would you like to beat me again? I'll start a game if so.
you cant put up a post that the threads have been talking about for three hours.
geesssh.
peterboy
what better way to change the subject?
The Sunday talk shows could fill up the time with robust conversations about the issues of the effing day, not last year's news.
Sigh
I thought McCain would be for gay marriage after he humped Bush's leg in 2004 in full view of the RNC.
it's not that you have to have a penis to be on bobbleheads, but that you have to be a dick.
What do you think their bobbling heads are attached to?
Maybe they all are seated upside down and talking with their penises.
If it's Sunday, it's John McCain on MTP. Today he was defending Sarah Palin's qualifications for the Presidency.
Has he read the Vanity Fair article about how much his own campaign staff disliked "The Little Shop of Horrors"?
Maybe they all are seated upside down and talking with their penises.
Are you saying those aren't walnuts in McCain's cheek pouches?
Bob Shrum is debating Karen Hughes on MTP. Roger Simon and Andrea Mitchell chiming in. Moderated by David Gregory. Incredible talent on display. Awesome. What a treat.
Prepping for a rather epic post-drinking dump.
This could be rough.
Will keep you informed.
Country First!!!
I thought McCain would be for gay marriage after he humped Bush's leg in 2004 in full view of the RNC.
George Johnston
AFTER Bush and Rove shit all over his family and his reputation in 2000.
Country First!!!
Blago
Doan like country.
Rock 'n roll!
mer - let's light that candle!
yanks cant do a thing with the angels.
sox are up 3 on KC with beckett on the mound.
seems like #11 for josh.
Bob Shrum is debating Karen Hughes on MTP. Roger Simon and Andrea Mitchell chiming in. Moderated by David Gregory. Incredible talent on display. Awesome. What a treat.
Chichimec | 07.12.09 - 2:59 pm | #
Not sure that any of them have a penis, but every single one is a dick.
Deadhead myself. I don't think people knew that about me.
seems like #11 for josh.
He's in a zone. Bullpen problems for the Sox of late tho. Masterson and Delcarmen both been shaky.
Weird how the Angels have the Yanks number.
Oh, chripes.
Looks as though the Jackson story ain't going away anytime soon.
Now, they're "not ruling out homicide."
(rolls eyes)
fixed your typo:
Looks as though the cheney story ain't going away anytime soon.
Now, they're "not ruling out homicide."
Terry C
Goddamned gerontocracy.
Afternoon, all.
Apologies for the last blogwhore of the weekend, but over at Box Office, I endorse a really cool Russian(!) remake of the classic 12 ANGRY MEN, plus we debate the coolest movies with courtroom scenes evah.
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...nia-spec-
49.php
Comments? Not out of order!!!!!
Maybe they all are seated upside down and talking with their penises.
leibniz♘☮
I've always thought that they were talking out of their asses.
Moe, I'm reading the Harper article about Hoover and Obama now. Wish Obama would.
mer
The parallels between Hoover and Obama were uncanny.
I love going to the nature center w G/Son, but I forgot to take bug spray and we wound up walking around outside lot during our bee class. The effing mosquitoes chewed my legs UP.
My chinese food delivery guy is late.
I'm not ruling out homocide.
"He has a penis. Apparently, that's a requirement for being on the bobblehead shows."
"Bob Shrum is debating Karen Hughes on MTP. Roger Simon and Andrea Mitchell chiming in."
The parallels between Hoover and Obama were uncanny.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 3:07 pm | #
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especially the civil engineering background.
I want 'em to get Cheney so bad I can taste it. For all those years I dreamed of seeing him clutch his chest and keel over in the background while Bush gave his SOTU address.
It pleases me no end that Cheney's now hiding from the press. I want him exposed for the bullying criminal he is.
Worse than Nixon.
.
Since we won't be having any war crimes prosecution may as well go back to Michael Jackson news.
Doan like country.
Rock 'n roll!
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 3:00 pm | #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...h?v=zs50uz3a_-
M
It pleases me no end that Cheney's now hiding from the press.
He's waiting for a GI with a headwound to die so he can get a heart.
"Bob Shrum is debating Karen Hughes on MTP. Roger Simon and Andrea Mitchell chiming in."
You pretty dumb, huh?
Hughes and Mitchell aren't guests, you idiot.
I thought Michael Jackson had moved Qatar or some such place.
It pleases me no end that Cheney's now hiding from the press. I want him exposed for the bullying criminal he is.
Worse than Nixon.
.
Sparkle Plenty | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 3:10 pm | #
I was going to say that it's a sign of the unparalleled corruption of our contemporary press that they're allowing the Republicans to spin this Cheney story as even remotely ambiguous.
Then I remembered that the press had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into investigating the second rate Watergage burglary three decades ago.
We don't have a liberal media in this country. We have an Establishment media. And in a war between you and the Establishment, the smart money always bets on the latter.
It pleases me no end that Cheney's now hiding from the press.
He and Li'l Miss Daddy's Girl sure have done a disappearing act, haven't they? Couldn't avoid them for a while there. Now we know what they were afraid of.
I thought Michael Jackson had moved Qatar or some such place.
leibniz♘☮
Came back. I think he owed some sheik money and the guy sued him.
I thought Michael Jackson had moved Qatar or some such place.
In Dubai for a while IIRC.
He also bleated about how spending's gonna destroy us -- but you'd think he'd remember The Depression. He saw the dinosaurs, after all!
what simels said.
watergate was uncovered by a police reporter and a rookie at the post.
no REAL political or national reporter touched it for months, maybe a year.
How many times did he say that Americans are tired of partisan politics?
plantsman
I have morning glories up at the homepage. Grandpa Otts.
Cool! I'm there!
...oh yea, and a really tough federal judge.
"being on" = "guest"
Who knew?
Repugs unchained from the constraints of Rational thinking.
God bless them all.
He also bleated about how spending's gonna destroy us
He voted for Bush's tax cuts. He voted for Bush's war. He voted for the stimulus. He can bite me.
watergate was uncovered by a police reporter and a rookie at the post.
no REAL political or national reporter touched it for months, maybe a year.
peterboy | 07.12.09 - 3:15 pm | #
And it turned out watergate was really a FBI coup.
Anyone want to hear about my dump?
[Epic, btw]
"being on" = "guest"
Who knew?
fred
Everyone here but you.
watergate was uncovered by a police reporter and a rookie at the post.
no REAL political or national reporter touched it for months, maybe a year.
peterboy | 07.12.09 - 3:15 pm | #
Well, not to get all tinfoil hattie on you, but Woodward was ex-naval intelligence. And you know what they say -- once a spook, always a spook.
Which is to say I think there were people in the permanent goverment who wanted that story to become what it did.
I did read that Cheney couldn't be reached for comment on the latest news as to his connection to the suppression of secret programs.
Afternoon, fine people!
"Everyone here but you."
Uh huh.
I did read that Cheney couldn't be reached for comment on the latest news as to his connection to the suppression of secret programs.
On advice of counsel . . . .
I did read that Cheney couldn't be reached for comment on the latest news as to his connection to the suppression of secret programs.
mer
Back in his underground bunker?
Vicki,
You been out gardening?
Hi, Vicki!
Earlier, Adam Hominem totally understood my comment about being astonished that a Jew could try to minimize torture - and rootless-e said Jews are like everyone else; but I'm sure I noticed The Holocaust making many Jews especially sensitive to genocide and torture, and I'm not gonna stop mentioning it. Fuck Rahm.
Vicki, hi there. You should have applied for the marketing director of the ad I sent you, or not. It's been hell for the last six months or so, but it does seem to be calming down now.
Then I remembered that the press had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into investigating the second rate Watergage burglary three decades ago.
The irony is that Cheney and Rummy were both in that WH, and what Cheney learned, is that secrecy and control trump all. Man sized safes and all the rest.
I did read that Cheney couldn't be reached for comment on the latest news as to his connection to the suppression of secret programs.
mer
This is actually a good sign, I think.
He's certainly felt free to spew about everything else.
How many years in a row has Duncan Black been 37?
If Palin will split the Republican Party, I'll donate money
I'm sure I noticed The Holocaust making many Jews especially sensitive to genocide and torture, and I'm not gonna stop mentioning it. Fuck Rahm.
It wasn't til I moved to NYC that I met fellow American Jews who talked like genocidal fascists ("Level Tehran" "Fuck the Palis", etc).
Listening to them and seeing the smirking death head of Bill Kristol depresses me more than almost anything else.
If Palin will split the Republican Party, I'll donate money
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
The Repubs, if nothing else, have shown a remarkable ability to swallow whatever their leaders care to shove down their throats.
My guess is, if Palin is the candidate, they will all suddenly love her.
Atrios turned 37 this year, I witnessed the change on the homepage -- he's not into denying what's so.
How many years in a row has Duncan Black been 37?
Less than 1.
We don't have a liberal media in this country. We have an Establishment media. And in a war between you and the Establishment, the smart money always bets on the latter. steve simels
You know, in the little guy vs. Establishment war, you'd think your pal Tobes would be right there next to you instead of volunteering himself to be cannon fodder for the Man.
Of course, you'd probably garrote him in the first 5 minutes, but still.
If Palin will split the Republican Party, I'll donate money - Hecate
You have a soft spot in your heart for her because of her beauty despite having had 5 kids.
Hecate,
I just got back from Blissfest. We got up there Friday afternoon, and Nim, Jen, the baby, and I rented the Nebo Cabin in Wilderness State Park.
It was beautiful, but very remote. Literally on the top of a hill (the call it Mt. Nebo). Wildflowers -- columbine, larkspur, and others I plan to identify.
Our cabin was about 30 minutes from Bliss, but we didn't want the baby out in the middle of a dusty campground this year.
Bliss was fun. We finally found Barndog yesterday, and hung out at his camp for a while. Nice crowd. Barndog, Virginia, chi dyke, allegedly, fokowi (although I never saw him), Ruth, Feral Liberal, Nim, Jen, and mena and WGG.
However, I've got some sun burn, and I drank way too much wine (I didn't have to drive yesterday, but still...thanks to Feral Liberal) and smoked way too much hippie lettuce.
It's always nice to be home and sleep in your own bed. After 2 days in the wild, you get that "not so fresh" feeling, so the first thing I did was jump into the shower.
I have to say it was great to see mena again. She's a beautiful woman, inside and out. I talk to chi dyke, Barndog, and Virginia regularly, and I saw V earlier in the week, but seeing mena was a nice surprise. Everyone looked great and they were all having a blast. It was fun.
If Palin will split the Republican Party, I'll donate money
Pardon my French, but I think it's more that certain Republicans wanted to split her that led to their problem.
Atrios turned 37 this year, I witnessed the change on the homepage -- he's not into denying what's so. - plantsman
Give him some more time. I'm 40 (in hex).
I think that Frank Rich explains Palin pretty well:
[S]he stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind.
rootless-e said Jews are like everyone else; but I'm sure I noticed The Holocaust making many Jews especially sensitive to genocide and torture, and I'm not gonna stop mentioning it. Fuck Rahm.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 3:21 pm | #
It may be ironic, but it's SOP. Being the victim of a crime or being descended from a victim doesn't automatically make you into a sensitive caring person - or smart. I've told right wing homophobic stupid jews that we'd all be in the cattle car on the way to the ovens with gays and commies if they had their way and their response is enough to make you despair of human beings.
My good friend Jane is into remaining 39, I'm not; but I love her still.
Now we know what they [Cheney pere et fille] were afraid of.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Not quite yet. But I think we will. Soon.
Less than 1.
I'm gonna lose the fewer vs less war, aren't I?
I heard Cheney may have done a very bad thing? Some news broke while we were gone?
Vicki,
Oh, damn, that sounds like fun. I, myself, have been known to, um, hyper-appreciate feral liberal's fine, fine beverages. 
I'm gonna lose the fewer vs less war, aren't I? - Moe Szyslak
Surrendermonkey!
I have trouble understanding you, rootless; but I'm a deluded goy gay boi who cried over Anna Frank's diary -- even as I found it too perfect.
moe
alot
that is all
Snarly Dick is headed for an undisclosed location, shotgun in hand.
alot
Also lost, alas.
Being the victim of a crime or being descended from a victim doesn't automatically make you into a sensitive caring person - or smart.
That's a point I can agree with completely. Of course, every time I see anyone in a power minority smoking I want to launch into a lecture about the death sticks being a tool of the Man to keep people down.
I, myself, have been known to, um, hyper-appreciate feral liberal's fine, fine beverages.
I really "hyper-appreciated" them. *hic*
The head didn't hurt (no sulfites, I guess), but there seems to be some lost time there, and I know I spilled Barndog's gumbo and wine on myself. I hate that when that happens.
It was fun. 
I missed most of Kathy Mattea on the main stage, but it was definitely fun.
it's about not being identified with or as a victim, plantsman.
they would rather be on the side of the people with power.
Everything is less than zero.
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said he agreed with Feinstein that the CIA should keep Congress informed. But Cornyn said the new assertion "looks to me suspiciously like an attempt to provide political cover" to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats. Pelosi has accused the CIA of lying to her in 2002 about its use of waterboarding, or simulated drowning.
Snarly Dick is headed for an undisclosed location, shotgun in hand.
With a 28 gauge no less.
heh.
Tabloid TV is the rule these days not the exception. As the conservative media (MSM) gushes over Sarah Palin they fail to look at how inept she was in governing Alaska's tiny state government.
So, stories about how she didn't follow her own line of succession never appear in the national media even though they cause major problems for the state she was charged to lead.
"The issue came up with Palin's surprise announcement last week that she will resign from office July 26 and hand power over to Parnell, the current lieutenant governor. Palin said Campbell, the state commissioner of military and veteran affairs, would then take over as the lieutenant governor.
The problem is that Palin in February selected someone else, Corrections Commissioner Joe Schmidt, as next in the line of succession behind Parnell to be lieutenant governor, and the Legislature confirmed him. The Legislature's top lawyer, Tam Cook, said this week that Palin can't put Campbell in the job instead unless he is confirmed by the Legislature."
Anything proving Palin's incompetence gets ignored so they won't tarnish the "celebrity" they want her to maintain.
I have trouble understanding you, rootless; but I'm a deluded goy gay boi who cried over Anna Frank's diary -- even as I found it too perfect.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 3:29 pm | #
Well, that's because you are a functioning human being with empathy. I had a friend in DC years ago whose roomates were all gay aides to winger congressmen.
Q:"How can you work for that pig?"
A: "For money - and success."
There are a lot of people who seem to lack empathy and can be like Dershowitz, really sensitive to injustices committed against people who they think are like them and unconcerned otherwise.
Cornyn said the new assertion "looks to me suspiciously like an attempt to provide political cover" to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats.
heh. How about running assassination squads, Cornhole? That's what it's about.
You can keep this fucking charade that the whole thing is the Democrats' fault, but it ain't gonna work.
Talk about catching the utter moral vapidness of the guy.
There are a lot of people
Give that man a peanut!
The problem is that Palin in February selected someone else, Corrections Commissioner Joe Schmidt, as next in the line of succession behind Parnell to be lieutenant governor, and the Legislature confirmed him. The Legislature's top lawyer, Tam Cook, said this week that Palin can't put Campbell in the job instead unless he is confirmed by the Legislature."
I'm sure the WH "Law Dept." would throw those charges right out.
damn the slanties.
I caught them from peterboy.
Allowing one's experience of Self to expand beyond self and beyond tribe to encompass at least one's own species could compel one toward more inconvenient life choices than one may be willing to face.
Give that man a peanut! - Moe Szyslak
Not out of my alotment!
Right now, Snarly Dick is in his gated digs on West Gros Ventre Butte in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Google it.
I bet I would've aced this course in HS
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/07...ents-get-it-on/
OK, I'm officially endorsing the "inside of a banana skin" remedy for mosquito bites. Not sure if it's long-lasting, but it does stop the itch.
thanks for the vicarious thrill, Vicki.
feral liberal's wine. mmmmmmmmmmmyum
i'm pretty happy that they renewed SS detail for Cheney, but I really hope someone is reading the logs.
OK, I'm officially endorsing the "inside of a banana skin" remedy
Known to teenage boys for centuries to scratch a somewhat different itch.
Willie Brown get high on something before he writes his columns.
Alongside the slogan “an orgasm a day keeps the doctor away”, it says: “Health promotion experts advocate five portions of fruit and veg a day and 30 minutes’ physical activity three times a week. What about sex or masturbation twice a week?”
As a vegetarian I am somewhat conflicted promoting a "meat and two veg" option.
Allowing one's experience of Self to expand beyond self and beyond tribe to encompass at least one's own species could compel one toward more inconvenient life choices than one may be willing to face.
And, imagine going beyond one's own species. One of the reasons that I read G/Son stories that anthropomorphize animals, and get him DVDs that do the same is so that he can develop empathy w animals. Last fall, when we met a doe on a path through the woods, he said to her something that he's heard me say over and over to birds, and squirrels, etc.: I would never hurt you.
Allowing one's experience of Self to expand beyond self and beyond tribe to encompass at least one's own species could compel one toward more inconvenient life choices than one may be willing to face.
Cylon hater! Species-ist!
/drive-by
iwouldneverhurtyou.....
nice one.
Known to teenage boys for centuries to scratch a somewhat different itch.
JeffCO
Ewww!!
I've learned a lot about teenaged boys from this here blog. Most of it I really didn't need to know.
Known to teenage boys for centuries to scratch a somewhat different itch.
Not out of my alotment! bo
Terrible spell of wehtgher we're having.
I've learned a lot about teenaged boys from this here blog. Most of it I really didn't need to know. QL
No one said you had to find them a'peeling.
Empathy with animals--great story on whales in NYTimes mag today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/1...ml?
ref=magazine
Bleeding heart that I am, this last paragraph made me cry:
For an hour they cut at the lines and rope with curved knives, all the while trying to steer clear of a tail they knew could kill them with one swipe. When the whale was finally freed, the divers said, she swam around them for a time in what appeared to be joyous circles. She then came back and visited with each one of them, nudging them all gently, as if in thanks. The divers said it was the most beautiful experience they ever had. As for the diver who cut free the rope that was entangled in the whale’s mouth, her huge eye was following him the entire time, and he said that he will never be the same.
OK, I'm officially endorsing the "inside of a banana skin" remedy for mosquito bites. Not sure if it's long-lasting, but it does stop the itch.
When we were kids it was toothpaste. We'd walk around with dabs of Pepsodent all over our arms and legs. Unless we licked it off.
.
Cylon hater! Species-ist! /drive-by monica_nyc
I did say for starters.
Bleeding heart that I am, this last paragraph made me cry:
If the rest of the species on this planet ever unionize, we are completely and utterly fucked.
Just read the Frank Rich piece on Palin. Very good, but the irony is the earlier Peggy Noonan deconstruction of Mooselini in the WSJ last week was even more pointed and on the money.
Seriously -- when you've lost Peggy Noonan....
thanks, noblejoanie.
that's one of what I love most about our community. we take care to let each other know when we see/read something remarkable.
I mite have let that sit on my coffee table folded to the crossword all week.....
and the stories, like Hecate's, about teaching the children.
QL,
Gore Vidal may have said it best. "At twelve, I should have been left unchaparoned with even a cataloupe."
If the rest of the species on this planet ever unionize, we are completely and utterly fucked.
JeffCO | 07.12.09 - 3:48 pm | #
I think the scenario in Hitchcock's "The Birds" is more likely.
Empathy with animals--great story on whales in NYTimes mag today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/1...ml? ref=magazine
Bleeding heart that I am, this last paragraph made me cry:
For an hour they cut at the lines and rope with curved knives, all the while trying to steer clear of a tail they knew could kill them with one swipe. When the whale was finally freed, the divers said, she swam around them for a time in what appeared to be joyous circles. She then came back and visited with each one of them, nudging them all gently, as if in thanks. The divers said it was the most beautiful experience they ever had. As for the diver who cut free the rope that was entangled in the whale’s mouth, her huge eye was following him the entire time, and he said that he will never be the same.
Anyone who can watch this and say that they're "dumb animals" or that they operate only on "instinct" is, IMHO, nuts. I eat meat, but I think we ought to, at least, hunt with respect.
If you read the entire whale piece, one of the scientists describes a full range of emotions, including forgiveness. Of us.
I feel the same, peterboy. My life has been much enriched from folks here, yourself included.
Why I even have a cat who has completely won my heart because of this place.
"I should not have been", obviously.
Why is it the fingers don't put in the words the brain wants, but my eyes see the words that aren't there?
noblejoanie, I just picked up the times I'll make a point of reading that first. Have you been, or are you going to the Fete?
If the rest of the species on this planet ever unionize, we are completely and utterly fucked.
Sheri Tepper has a great book, and I can't remember it's name just now, about how humans will live once we realize our debt.
bo, you think faster than you type. It's quite common.
I think the scenario in Hitchcock's "The Birds" is more likely.
Tippie can do and Taylor too!
Well, I'm off for a nap.
I'm all chatted out, apparently.
Follow your bliss!
Anyone who can watch this and say that they're "dumb animals" or that they operate only on "instinct" is, IMHO, nuts. I eat meat, but I think we ought to, at least, hunt with respect.
Amen.
driveby re: Palin. Was sitting through the tractor pull at the county fair last night. Behind me two women and a guy got on that subject. One of the women liked Palin and thought she got a raw deal from the press... *all three*, presumably members of the GOP 'base', agreed she was a lousy choice for a veep... it may have been the highlight of the evening...
dmark--is it this weekend? Had both kids and one of the SOs here, grandparents and aunties and uncles to see them, too. Busy, fun family time. But now they're all clearing out. Perhaps a little ziedico would be just the thing!
You going, or have you already been?
i once was taken to a sushi restaurant in Japan where they proudly showed me pictures of whales. Grossed me right out. I told them that Jewish law forbid me from sitting at the table if there was any present - best excuse I could come up with at the time.
animals have lives all their own that we know practically nothing about...
out now, for now
Now, Who the fuck is John?
This was one of the worst MTP epis ever. Simon and Gregory are determined to bury the Obama presidency - it's extremely childish.
On the other hand, as long as we're wading sentimental about animals, Rob Schneider (the SNL comedian) did a movie that involved him being in close proximity with dolphins, and he said that despite their reputations, they were essentially the frat-boy jocks of the ocean.
Assholes, in other words.
You going, or have you already been?
noblejoanie
We went Fri night to see Tab Benoit. Saw Roadmaster there. We're leaving shortly to see Feufollet. The Radiators at 7 are a must see for us. Roadie said last night he might come over today but I think he won't. I forgot to ask him this morning.
Simon and Gregory are determined to bury the Obama presidency
First rule of starting out in a hole is to stop digging.
"I think that Frank Rich explains Palin pretty well:
" '[S]he stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind.' "
***
Yeah, well, Frank Rich has a penis, so what the fuck does he know?
dolphins, and he said that despite their reputations, they were essentially the frat-boy jocks of the ocean.
Assholes, in other words.
I've heard that they can be . . . amorous.
Yeah, well, Frank Rich has a penis, so what the fuck does he know?
hellhound
Bitter, much?
Poor, poor white men. So picked on
"I thought McCain would be for gay marriage after he humped Bush's leg in 2004 in full view of the RNC.
George Johnston"
AFTER Bush and Rove shit all over his family and his reputation in 2000.
Some people really get off on being crapped on...
Now, Who the fuck is John?
Ravi J
we can wonder.
I prefer the Echidne.
By the way, I am enjoying a beer called Simpler Times, from a brewery in Monroe WI.
got it at TJoes.
$3 for a six. 6+% alcohol with a very smooth taste. a pilsner.
goes well with baseball.
I've heard that they can be . . . amorous.
Their favorite song is by The Rascals:
♪ Noooooooonannnnn... on a Sunday afternooooooon...
Simon and Gregory are determined to bury the Obama presidency - it's extremely childish.
Childish is the best description of Gregory I can think of.
By the way, I am enjoying a beer called Simpler Times, from a brewery in Monroe WI.
got it at TJoes.
I have to get more. I drank my last one of those yesterday.
I ws just scratching Tiger's ears, and when I stopped, he cried. He may not be too smart, but he knows what he likes.
given that a smart, eloquent, educated guy like obama can't seem to be any better of a president than a moron like bush, one wonders what exactly is it that the presidency is all about anyway.
sebs=supermodel
dmark--if we can pull it together, we'll look for you and your lovely spouse later then!
Dolphins---underwater bonobos...
Childish is the best description of Gregory I can think of.
billy b |
Gregory is a malleable lightweight that's being paid a lot of money to rehearse his lines. He ain't gonna fuck that up.
.
Drive by:
A wonderful summer drink is a chilled, not too dry rosé.
Got a few very nice bottles of Guiot for eight bucks each. Alas, the local shop is now out of 'em. Maybe they'll get more... The reddest rosé I've ever seen, also. Beautiful color.
if a troll poos in the forest and no one smells it, does it stink?
On Wednesdays, I get together w some friends for ecstatic dancing and healthy pot luck dinner. Several times, I'd be running late and, since one of the friends has a key to my place, they'd let themselves in and hang out. They always told me that, about 5 minutes before I pulled into the driveway, Miss Thing would go stand by the door.
Psychic cat?
I cannot tell you people how satisfied I am that Holder is acting like a real A.G. instead of an errand boy for the WH. Here's hoping he's not undermined by the moles planted by the previous administration. Hard to believe that Ashcroft was better than anyone else on the planet, but there you have it.
dmark--if we can pull it together, we'll look for you and your lovely spouse later then!
noblejoanie
We'll be there. Love to see you.
given that a smart, eloquent, educated guy like obama can't seem to be any better of a president than a moron like bush
QL
Sounds like Elias to me. I rag on Obama all the time, but he is light years and light years and light years better than Bush.
Now sebs can tell us how women who have had children are ugly, another Elias gem.
I've heard that they can be . . . amorous.
I saw some nature-type show a few years ago that had footage of a group of young male dolphins keeping a female trapped near the shore while they took turns raping her. They contrasted this with earlier footage of normal dolphin courtship.
Psychic cat?
I think just "a cat." Just as they can hear sounds we can't. All I know is that I never came home that she wasn't at the door. Until my friends told me when she got there, I assumed that she heard me pull into the driveway.
And oh yeah, kudos to Obama for choosing Holder.
Funny, I don't remember John Kerry being on Sunday TV after the 2004 election.
hey sebs
.wave:
Either we've said precisely all this before or I just had the nastiest wave of deja vu sweep over me???
/shakes head/
.
This was one of the worst MTP epis ever. Simon and Gregory are determined to bury the Obama presidency
which is but one more reason Obama should have forced GE to sell NBC as a condition of receiving TARP funds.
Given that certain alleged nontrolls seemingly can't delineate more than two categories of judgment (Good/Bad) across a full spectrum of issues, one wonders why exactly how they function in the world anyway. Poorly and impoverished, I guess.
sorry that should be
:wave;
Sounds like Elias to me. I rag on Obama all the time, but he is light years and light years and light years better than Bush.
heh. Yesterday, we were lectured that Sarah Palin represented the middle class and is one of us.
heh again.
Now sebs can tell us how women who have had children are ugly, another Elias gem.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:11 pm | #
i never said that. only intentional obtuseness could make someone interpret what i said as such.
for the record, my wife has had children and is very beautiful. and smart.
well you get the idea
Psychic cat?
Psychic cat
Psychic cat
What will they be feeding you?
for the record, my wife has had children and is very beautiful. and smart.
If she's married to you, she ain't v smart.
I didn't believe you would say such a thing, sebs.
me, on the other hand...
Psychic cat
Psychic cat
What will they be feeding you?
JeffCO
LOL
hi mimi
ah hah! the pupil has outdone the master waver!
If she's married to you, she ain't v smart.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:16 pm | #
amazing how you can make such a complete judgment of someone you have not met.
in contrast, even though most of what you say to me here is childish, i would be willing to bet you are a really smart person in real life.
which is but one more reason Obama should have forced GE to sell NBC as a condition of receiving TARP funds.
DCblogger | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:14 pm | #
As I said for months leading up to the election, the first thing a Democratic president should have done on taking office was to introduce and push, hard, for legislation breaking up the most egregious media monopolies.
I think what we're seeing now is in some sense a result of a failure to take that advice....
I'm not goin' back to the US of A until darlin' Sarah has done gone away.
(My country song. Needs work.)
ah hah! the pupil has outdone the master waver!
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:18 pm | #
can i try the pebble now??
Back in time for my feminist lesson...
yes, grasshopper
AndyG is a Nazi sexist.
how cute butler's talking to itself.
AndyG is a Nazi sexist.
Dang....busted.
At least it's an ethos.
how cute butler's talking to itself.
billy b | 07.12.09 - 4:22 pm | #
It would only be more interesting if it was in Swiss-Canadian dialect.
john, who are you?
you know the women here remind me of a jealous woman whose husband says "that's an attractive woman"!
how cute butler's talking to itself.
billy b | 07.12.09 - 4:22 pm | #
how old are you? it's a serious question. i already know you are a single, childless male, but i can't tell if you are 14, 24, 34. it's really hard to tell.
Shouldn't you be enjoying the company of your Swedish guests, mimi?
Hello, everyone.
Beautiful Sunday here. Not sure of where you are but it is hard to beat 72 degrees with bright sun, low humidity, and gentle winds.
I was speed reading through the posts. Looks like a fly had an orgasm. Must be a slow news day.
you know the women here remind me of a jealous woman whose husband says "that's an attractive woman"!
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:25 pm | #
Isn't there a meeting of the Horst Wesell Fan Club you could be attending somewhere?
...and it's deep, too.
i already know you are a single, childless male,
they're sleeping. they took a bus from Bilbao to Geneva.
I wonder if he actually puts on the dress before he gets on the computer or it's all a mental thing.
I will miss most of you. Life has it's limits. I Have pretty much met mine.
mimi's favorite song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=g...feature=related
how old are you? it's a serious question. i already know you are a single, childless male, but i can't tell if you are 14, 24, 34. it's really hard to tell.
You're too easy, allen.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Lecture us some more, douchebag.
Ralphie, it should be "life has ITS limits"
you're welcome
Beautiful Sunday here. Not sure of where you are but it is hard to beat 72 degrees with bright sun, low humidity, and gentle winds.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:26 pm | #
its nice here in the midatlantic too. the kids and I were out most of the day walking around our urban hellhole. we had bagels for breakfast, shopped at a children's bookstore, played chess at a coffehouse (ice cream shop for them), did a little thrift store browsing, and then walked home.
we love our urban hellhole. now if there only were some decent schools....
I have a few problem's with Frank Rich's piece, but this is a comment, not a post, so I'll keep it short.
This quote: "She (Palin) could well be their last presidential candidate standing. Such would-be competitors as Mark Sanford, John Ensign and Newt Gingrich are too carnally compromised for the un-Clinton party."
Oh, si, because all the "carnally compromised" candidates in the "Clinton party" have paid no price whatsoever for their acts. President john Edwards can attest to that.
I swear to furry fuck. Maybe, maybe, Rich is trying to make an ironic point with that "too carnal for the un-clinton party" crack, about which party really is the "carnally compromised" one. But given his track record during the `08 primaries, I have cause to doubt it.
Note to Frank Rich: Knock off the Clinton-baiting. It makes you sound like a low-rent Maureen Dowd.
I wonder if he actually puts on the dress before he gets on the computer or it's all a mental thing.
heh...heh...heh...
Mimi, shut the fuck up.
Note to Frank Rich: Knock off the Clinton-baiting. It makes you sound like a low-rent Maureen Dowd.
heh.
Agreed.
beckett pitching a complete game 3-hitter in the 9th.
Lecture us some more, douchebag.
billy b | 07.12.09 - 4:28 pm | #
it was a serious question. maybe you could just give an age range? i got the rest of your right, didn't I?
Note to Frank Rich: Knock off the Clinton-baiting. It makes you sound like a low-rent Maureen Dowd.
ˇEl Gato Negro! | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:29 pm | #
I take your point about Rich, but the fact of the matter is, I really would prefer if Bill Clinton would just get thee to a nunnery already. And take his brand of squishy centrism with him.
I have had enough of that reckless asshole to last me another 1000 years, frankly.
it was a serious question. maybe you could just give an age range? i got the rest of your right, didn't I?
You are 180 degrees off on all accounts, al.
All.
Lecture us some more on the swim club story, allen.
None of us know the day or the hour, Ralphie. But admittedly there is a point where one's ability to guess improves dramatically.
wow, Ralphie. you're such a well bred gentleman.
ˇEl Gato Negro!
Early this morning, long before reasonable gatos rise to hunt I made this observation on Mr. Rich: Geez, Frank Rich really wasted a lot of column space saying nothing ineffectively.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 8:35 am |
moe, you still around.
While you were on vacation, you'll be relieved to know, the supermodel managed to make up some friends. Imaginary mind you, but so much better than being home alone all the time. No dates, no friends, no real job. The obituary will read, here lies someone who was nasty to people on a blog. So sad.
You are 180 degrees off on all accounts, al.
billy b | 07.12.09 - 4:32 pm | #
really. you are a married female with several children.... interesting. sarah??
they took a bus from Bilbao to Geneva.
Why would anyone in their right mind take a bus from Bilbao to Geneva? It's about 700 miles.
The obituary will read, here lies someone who was nasty to people on a blog.
Damn, that's funny QL.
And so true.
where one's ability to guess improves dramatically.
Well, you're absolutely right. A bit of introspection is in order.
really. you are a married female with several children.... interesting. sarah??
heh.
good question.
I hate buses.
wow, Ralphie. you're such a well bred gentleman.
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:33 pm | #
mimi, be careful with that "well bred" language. progressive dogma demands that there is no such thing as genetics.
I'm usually pretty sensitive to Clinton bashing. I took Rich's comment as a means of pointing out just how hypocritical are the rethugs. YMMV.
Ay, júbilo. I see that Sybil Butler, the one-looney-multiple-personality puppet show is here.
The whole thread stinks of palm-sweaty felt, Kraft glue, and empty prescription bottles.
Ralphie, what's going on? That didn't sound good.
we love our urban hellhole. now if there only were some decent schools....
What sebs means by "decent schools" is schools w/o black people and immigrants. Because parents who want decent schools get involved in their PTA, they don't "homeschool" aka well, you know.
thanks for the reminder, sebs
Imaginary? Why, the next time I host a dinner party, the first thing I'm doing is running to the internet to make fun of people.
You did not ride from Cairo?
No. Thank heaven. It's 900 miles. I came by boat.
It's 110F here now. 9% humidity.
I'm gonna go make me a salami sammitch on sheepherder's bread. With mayonnaise. Also, mustard. And lettuce.
What sebs means by "decent schools" is schools w/o black people and immigrants.
dingdingdingdingding!!!!!
Ralphie, what's going on? That didn't sound good.
It's not good. Even in the best sense.
I am an acceptable person. Old, too, also.
I'm usually pretty sensitive to Clinton bashing. I took Rich's comment as a means of pointing out just how hypocritical are the rethugs. YMMV.
QL- | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:36 pm | #
I actually hate to bring this up, but I was depressed to discover that both Clintons feature prominently, and disturbingly, in THE FAMILY, that new book about the crazy totalitarian Christian cult that Ensign and Stanford and scads more Repugs apparently are involved with up to their eyeballs.
Just saying.
Trying to do dinner prep and keep up. Ralphie, are you okay?
What sebs means by "decent schools" is schools w/o black people and immigrants.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:37 pm | #
i'm an immigrant. if there was an "immigrant only" school i strongly suspect it would be the best school in the city, by a mile. alas, whiny americans would screech that such a thing would be discriminatory, so they would not allow it. sucks.
Palm Sweaty Felt = Danish garage band that sings 90s Seattle grunge tunes in phonetic English.
I actually hate to bring this up, but I was depressed to discover that both Clintons feature prominently, and disturbingly, in THE FAMILY, that new book about the crazy totalitarian Christian cult that Ensign and Stanford and scads more Repugs apparently are involved with up to their eyeballs.
Just saying.
steve simels | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:39 pm | #
ick.
Imaginary? Why, the next time I host a dinner party, the first thing I'm doing is running to the internet to make fun of people.
Of course, we all go: OK, everyone have enough wine? Who'd like more rolls? Seconds of roast lamb? Good, please excuse me; I need to go get on the computer and chat on a blog. Help yourselves to more eggplant.
No. Thank heaven. It's 900 miles. I came by boat.
But, you, you are not fat?
sebs emigrated from being a middle aged latina with kids to a middle age latino with kids
I hate buses.
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:36 pm | #
That's the kind of pithy bon mot I'd expect from Larry King.
Tell us -- are you also afraid of scary bats? Are there pears in your jello?
Why, the next time I host a dinner party, the first thing I'm doing is running to the internet to make fun of people.
Remember the time we were graced with her presence when she bragged about the great sex she'd just had?
[lights cigarette]
I agree entirely with simels comment about Clinton.
And holy fuck this seb/mimi/annie shit is gettin old.
ick.
rootless-e, appikouros | 07.12.09 - 4:40 pm | #
Indeed.
I'm gonna go make me a salami sammitch on sheepherder's bread. With mayonnaise. Also, mustard. And lettuce.
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace
Ever tried the "Columbus" Brand hard salami (he asks knowing full well he about lives on teh stuff.)
http://www.columbussalame.com/dy...ng.html?
brand=2
sebs is still a kid. No offense to goats.
yup, that was great fun.
[lights cigarette]
I think Laurent is a powerful, yet forgiving lover.
re the Family, i always knew they were screwy, but jesus has given me a lifetime pass cause im a great christian screwy? i didnt realize it was an explicit doctrine.
French men are the best lovers.
But, you, you are not fat?
No. I'm different.
i took a bus from New York City to Toledo once.
don't like to brag about it, but ...
I think Laurent is a powerful, yet forgiving lover.
Wonder what happened to ol' Laurent?
Looks like FartButt has moved in on his squeeze.
I think Laurent is a powerful, yet forgiving lover.
Who could forget Hartmut?
ralphie, feel free to email me. These days it's almost never as bad as it first sounds. Tough to deal with though.
I think Laurent is a powerful, yet forgiving lover.
Depends on if his batteries are fully charged.
Because parents who want decent schools get involved in their PTA, they don't "homeschool" aka well, you know.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:37 pm | #
what do you have against homeschooling Hecate? if i was a millionaire, i could send my kids to a private school like Obama (at $20+K per child). THAT wold be ok, right?
Simels, that's the first I've heard of that. I'm surprised cause neither Clinton is particularly fundy and they certainly don't believe in trying to bring about Biblical law.
The very first scholarly paper I had published was a discussion of Eric Kennington's portraits and his Art Editorship for 7Pillars of Wisdom.
Ralphie,
Best wishes, friend. Please, if there is anything I can do . . .
These days it's almost never as bad as it first sounds. Tough to deal with though.
Not the first sound. I will deal with it as best I can. Thank you.
what do you have against homeschooling Hecate?
heh.
You're all over the place today al.
It's time for you take up for the swim club racists again.
THAT wold be ok, right?
Well, it's rather messy. Perhaps you could try to grok both sides -- and then get back to us in a year or two.
it goes to show that fictional characters don't need to be convincing or sympathetic to attract interest.
also
You know, I never denied the rich the right to their own schools but my question has ever been: why can't we do this for all children? After all, they are OUR children.
French men are the best lovers.
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:43 pm | #
french women are good too.
try south american some time if you get a chance, and let us know how it compares...
When the whole point of your act is to annoy you really don't have anything to offer anyone do you?
Hillary and Family
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...0331/
ehrenreich
did the homeschooling work as well when you were a woman? better?
Esteban Simels and DWD,
points taken as well.
Some other blogger, who I cannot find right now, pointed out today that Rich's prediction that Palin would beat Romney in the 2012 RNC primaries is, how shall we say, a "pretty full litter box", also.
Why in the name of all things that copulate would Rich (or Peter Daou) still think that Palin represents a threat?
I swear they've heard so much GOPropaganda, they must really think they should be scared of her.
Pfft, and pfui.
Saw someone load up with an armful of pastries this morning. Then they added Sweet-n-Low to their coffee.
The Nation certainly does a hit piece on Hillary and the Family. She has attended prayer breakfasts with them and occasional Bible study. Must mean she wants to put us all in burquas.
it goes to show that fictional characters don't need to be convincing or sympathetic to attract interest.
It demonstrates the maxim Jenny Boylan taught us many years ago: to be at all convincing, fiction must provide lots of detail.
(Always makes me think of Billy Crystal's writing class in Throw Mama.)
Sadly, contradictions in said details make it more difficult for the audience to suspend disbelief.
try south american some time if you get a chance, and let us know how it compares..
Getting an entire continent into a vagina would be...difficult.
It's time for you take up for the swim club racists again.
billy b | 07.12.09 - 4:46 pm | #
when caught in an indefensible position, redirect!
Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family
wow that is odd.
I have sebs. some countries are very good, others not so much.
but being half French, I am partial to the froggies.
Getting an entire continent into a vagina would be...difficult.
leibniz♘☮ | 07.12.09 - 4:50 pm | #
that would be funny, if childish, if i had said "south america". but i didn't. i said "south american".
How about a Miller Lite and a bag of potato chips. Pretty stupid.
leibniz♘☮
Hey - you feeling better now? (I was worried . . . .
DWD-I am at least able to walk.
Getting angry at a troll is like getting angry at a TV character.
Why in the name of all things that copulate would Rich (or Peter Daou) still think that Palin represents a threat?
You know, sane people can't disagree with this but as I read in my local dead tree today in the "man in the street" comments - a bunch of a certain kind of persons (rural hicks and dumbasses) thinks the media was being mean to her and that's why she had to quit. They love her.
You know, I never denied the rich the right to their own schools but my question has ever been: why can't we do this for all children? After all, they are OUR children.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:48 pm | #
DWD, we DO do this for all children. public schools cost as much or more per child as private schools.
i did several years of private school. i was paying $10k per child, paying taxes on that money, and then on top of that paying taxes for public schools i could not use. total bs.
wow that is odd.
pretzel
Tries to make it sound like she is a part of the inner circle, but doesn't quite bring it off. Heh, the leaders are all men and women wait on them. Somehow I just can't see Hillary doing that. That piece was written in March '08, at the height of the primary wars. I don't give it much weight.
She has attended prayer breakfasts with them and occasional Bible study. Must mean she wants to put us all in burquas.
QL- | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:50 pm | #
http://www.motherjones.com/polit...on-and-
politics
Barbara Ehrenreich retelling something that Mother Jones reported doesn't seem like a 'hit piece' to me. YMMV.
DWD-I am at least able to walk.
leibniz♘☮
Yeah, me too - a bit. Been experiencing a lot of pain that makes it hard. (Using my crutch up and down stairs again)
I am pleased that you are doing better. That must have been frightening. Our holds on existence are tenuous, at best.
I have sebs. some countries are very good, others not so much.
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:51 pm | #
oh god oh god oh god please tell us that chileans suck. hahahaha. that would be nice.
even Karen Hughes thinks she's an idiot. My bet would be on Mitt to lose in 2012.
total bs.
You have to be right about something. Moron. Second dumbest troll on this page.
"DWD-I am at least able to walk."
--leibniz♘☮
That's good. More than my husband right now. Finally diagnosed with gout after two weeks of unbearable pain. I wish gout had a more sophisticated name, sounds so medieval. It's been hell here.
Joe Dolce born 1947 in Painesville, Ohio) is an American-born, Australian-resident singer/songwriter who achieved fame with the million-selling song "Shaddap You Face", recorded under his vehicle, the group named Joe Dolce Music Theatre and released in 1980. The song reached number one in 15 countries.
sebs, my polling wasn't that extensive (double entendre was done on purpose)
But I do not discount Palin either.
i didnt realize gout was still around, for some reason.
Boy. When you lose Man Hand's support...
Bailin' Palin's puke favorable numbers went up.
i could see palin gaining as much influence as rush limbaugh, even if her political career fizzles.
Ahh, it was Blue Texan at FDL who so adroitly handled the rest of the Frank Rich column.
QL, like I said, maybe he meant it ironically, but Rich has a track record that shows he likes getting in those little digs.
DWD, we DO do this for all children. public schools cost as much or more per child as private schools.
Ummm, no. That is not even close to reality, sorry.
School districts in this area receive about 7100 dollars per child. With this money they are expected to provide all educational services - including special education services (A problem we really do not talk about since many many many school districts are out of compliance in this area)
Sidwell Friends is around 30K + per child. With this money they have no obligation beyond teaching children who do not vary greatly from the normal range.
Some are even more expensive: Charlie Gibson's wife's former school was 42K two years ago.
With 25-35 K per child in increased funding . . .
Simels, that's the first I've heard of that. I'm surprised cause neither Clinton is particularly fundy and they certainly don't believe in trying to bring about Biblical law.
QL- | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:46 pm | #
I don't think they're fundies either. I do think that both of them, no more or less than most other pols, are willing to get into bed with people they shouldn't if they feel there's a political advantage to doing so.
But that group is very, very scary and we ignore this connection at our peril.
IMHO.
sebs, my polling wasn't that extensive (double entendre was done on purpose)
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:56 pm | #
alas. the limitations of survey research. i hope you at least concluded that further investigation is needed.
Secretary Clinton recounts her meeting with Mr. Coe and his cadre -
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/
0...agewanted=print
anyway, it's late here so I will bid you "bonne nuit" et "ŕ bientôt"
That's good. More than my husband right now. Finally diagnosed with gout after two weeks of unbearable pain. I wish gout had a more sophisticated name, sounds so medieval. It's been hell here.
mer
My sister had that: terribly painful. Hope he feels better soon.
Maybe sebs is really Todd Palin, Or another equally stupid person.
My bet would be on Mitt to lose in 2012.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:55 pm | #
Agreed. I think what's left of the bizness wing of the party is going to try to hold it together, and that Mitt will be it's last stand.
Sorry about your husband's condition.
Joe Dolce born 1947 in Painesville, Ohio) is an American-born, Australian-resident singer/songwriter who achieved fame with the million-selling song "Shaddap You Face", recorded under his vehicle, the group named Joe Dolce Music Theatre and released in 1980. The song reached number one in 15 countries.
http://www.joedolce.net/
"Jesus wanted you to leave Carol"-Sarah Palin to McCombover
I like the Ibero-Americans. We have a lot in common.
Further research is indeed required.
Salut, mon ami!
Gotta get some sleep. Don't get much, so I'll take it when I can.
The republican part almost went full on wingnut last election - why wouldn't they go for broke in the next?
Winning is the only thing that matters.
Ralphie
Be well.
sleep well, ralphie.
She's very, very delusional.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/...090712/
US.Palin
And so is McCain.
With 25-35 K per child in increased funding . . .
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 4:58 pm | #
sure, there are plenty of SUPER EXPENSIVE schools. but there are a lot more parochial schools that provide excellent education for $4-5K per year. there are plenty of good private schools for $7-8K.
so i think you are focusing a bit on the high end schools, which of course do exist. at least in Mayland, i think we spend about $9K per child for public, and i bet the average private is right around that figure. there are certainly tons of private options under $10K.
Kayla asks: anyone for tennis?
Winning is the only thing that matters.
Danny Guam
Even when the country loses.
I knew a mobster with gout. He didn't like it.
This the 'sick' thread. We're going to have an Atriots' convention at a hospice.
Salut, mon ami!
mimi | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 5:01 pm | #
have a nice evening mimi!
Watched Reservoir Dogs and True Romance this weekend.
Tarantino did provide really entertaining, tongue-in-cheek 90's riffs on older gunplay flicks, but he gets a little bit lazy across films.
The diner at night used in Reservoir Dogs looks a lot like the diner in the day used in Pulp Fiction.
And the phrase to mean soup to nuts "diddle dad joe to a damned if I know" that Mr.Orange's undercover buddy used in the diner is the same as Gary Oldman's character Drexl used in True Romance when confronted by Christian Slater's character Clarence.
you have too many animals
The republicans create their own reality.
Full on wingnut in 2012!
DWD-YDWETAKIT?, It was bizarre. He went to bed fine one night, and the next morning he couldn't even walk. He did wait a couple of days, thinking it was a pulled muscle or something, before we went in for treatment. The pain for him, I can't imagine. The stress for me, I'm still trying to recover.
who is john?
I knew a mobster with gout. He didn't like it.
Did his doctor advise him to "leave the cannoli"?
you have too many animals
We're hoping Sam will develop a superhuman immune system and will be able to sleep through anything.
Oh, and we're thinking of getting miniature donkeys, pygmy goats, a couple pigs and some chickens.
Don't forget those miniature cows!
Waiting and waiting for Mlle to get ready to go out.
She had a really good job interview and I'd like to get her some professional looking clothing. (As you can see, she's not trying to be a college prof.) If she doesn't get this job, she'll get one soon.
Not to mention that I'm tired of her lying around the house, looking and acting like a total wreck. Every time she tries to tell the bloodsucking ex SO that it's over, he comes back and guilt trips her.
I feel like slamming a 2 x 4 over her head.
Oh, and we're thinking of getting miniature donkeys, pygmy goats, a couple pigs and some chickens.
We think that's an excellent idea. Except for the goats. They faint.
you have too many animals
No, they don't.
just the concern goats.
Okay, off to make dinner. Spicy Korea grilled marinated flanken. How's THAT for multi-cultural.
Back in a bit....
pretzel, I know we have concern trolls, but concern goats? The horror...the horror...
Every time she tries to tell the bloodsucking ex SO that it's over, he comes back and guilt trips her.
Next he'll threaten suicide, if he hasn't already. I've seen this film before.
We believe goats are excessively goatish too. Nannies? Not bad. Billies are just useless. And Gruff.
just ignore them, theyll get back up and start eating the fence.
Thanks for the link GWPDA. It's about what I expected.
Leibniz, if this is the hospice thread, I guess I'd better get baking.
who is john?
Well, it's John.
you have too many animals
Ain't no such thing.
Erin, oh, he's done that one already. Mlle was not impressed.
We believe goats are excessively goatish too. Nannies? Not bad. Billies are just useless. And Gruff.
oh you kid
"who is john?"
--peterboy
I assume, a trusted friend of Atrios.
We believe goats are excessively goatish too. Nannies? Not bad. Billies are just useless. And Gruff.
oh you kid
pretzel
Stop butting in.
I like the nonlinear plot tactic of Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, though.
Stop butting in.
judas!
sure, there are plenty of SUPER EXPENSIVE schools. but there are a lot more parochial schools that provide excellent education for $4-5K per year. there are plenty of good private schools for $7-8K.
Ummm. That was NOT my point. I don't care to argue about private v public v parochial education. That is a loser's argument.
What I said (and you may verify this at your convenience)was that I never wanted to deny the rich their private schools (and high funding) but why can't we do this for ALL children?
That really gets my .....
Never mind.
When Obama completes his socialist revolution, black cats will ride trains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh you kid
He wooln't
well, i see that hecate was too scared to debate me about homeschooling. her condescending, anti-middle class attitude was indefensible anyway.
but the least she could do is to apologize for her comment about my being a racist. it was totally uncalled for seeing how i'm not white.
assholes come in all colors.
I did have a "Stupid DWD question" this day but I think I will save it for a while . . .
Too many people here are not in the place where I am at right now, and I would appear more of a freak. . . .
NPR reporter just now: "There ARE legitimate reasons for not supporting her (Sotomayor), right?"
Wheee.
"who is john?"
Ask Salome. She's got his head somewhere.
well, i see that hecate was too scared to debate me about homeschooling
Yeah, if there is one thing Hecate is terrified about in this life, it's debating some asshat on the topic of homeschooling.
What I said (and you may verify this at your convenience)was that I never wanted to deny the rich their private schools (and high funding) but why can't we do this for ALL children?
DWD-YDWETAKIT?
Probably because the main advantage of private schools is not their budgets, but their selection process.
If you can weed out the kids you don't want in your classroom (and they can), it doesn't really matter how much (beyond a basic level) you spend per student.
Test scores are equally meaningless, for the same reason.
When Obama completes his socialist revolution, black cats will ride trains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They'll have to sit in the back though.
what do you have against homeschooling
Well, let's see. It's used in many cases to isolate children from other people.
Because heaven forbid they find out that what ma and pa tells them isn't always correct.
Then there's the fact that the people doing the teaching aren't qualified to do so.
Then there's that batshit religious fundamentalist element.
Wanting to schtoop someone doesn't make them qualified for the Presidency. Can we have a year with the Obama administration before we start talking 2012?
They'll have to sit in the back though.
The Kenosha Kid
Personally, I would like to see cats on trains.
They could hold the papers down.
hecate was too scared to debate me
NOBODY here is afraid of you.
it does seem that the people most likely to homeschool their kids are not the most qualified to do so, to put it mildly.
Well, let's see. It's used in many cases to isolate children from other people.
I'd say it's really effective in every case.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist
Oh, you know I agree.
Still, it would nice to have both the lack of problems and the money for all children.
RE: homeschooling. I am a certified teacher with three decades of experience and I would not try it.
The assumption that school is only the text materials and the guided learning of the classroom is suspect. . . .
When Obama completes his socialist revolution, black cats will ride trains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ay, better a train than a Greyhound, no?
(Somos legión)
Romney put the family dog on the roof of the car. That's sort of like a cat on a train NOT
What I said (and you may verify this at your convenience)was that I never wanted to deny the rich their private schools (and high funding) but why can't we do this for ALL children?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 5:14 pm | #
i completely agree that's what you said. in my mind, parochial schools ARE private schools. i guess you draw some distinction (sounds like you are in the business, so perhaps there is one that i don't know about). but even for private schools, i bet the national average is no more than $13K. sidwell and such are the MOST expensive, not the norm.
i have no problem with public schools getting more money as long as I can get my damn money back for the schools I can't use. Vouchers! i will vote for any politician, republican, democrat, or islamofascist, that promises me a check for my share of public school funding that i can't use because the schools suck.
Wanting to schtoop someone doesn't make them qualified for the Presidency. Can we have a year with the Obama administration before we start talking 2012?
Monica_A
I would prefer three before we start the next presidential election process. Too exhausting.
Homeschooling ought to be a part of every child's upbringing, alongside organized education, not in exclusion of it.
Must return to work on this grant, and serially, start the machaca. Hee! Safeway's slightly used meat section yesterday - a piece of round steak that had been $25.00 - reduced to $4.25! Ayiiiiiii, machaca!
Arturo Gatti, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, was found dead yesterday. This has been a bad month for athletes.
it does seem that the people most likely to homeschool their kids are not the most qualified to do so, to put it mildly.
pretzel
Remember the story about the Nazi twins, Prussian Blue?
Their mother home-schooled them with textbooks from the early 1950s.
She didn't want them learning about civil rights, the women's movement or any of that commie, elitist, n**ger loving stuff.
yeah, he was murdered, supposedly.
Homeschooling ought to be a part of every child's upbringing, alongside organized education, not in exclusion of it.
MP
Yep, but certain elements don't see it that way.
Homeschooling was once the rule, public school completely unheard of. Then public schools started for the wealthy. "Sunday school" actually started as school on Sunday for the children of laborers in Scotland, who couldn't afford "public" school. It was held on Sunday, as it was the only day they had off from work (no child labor laws, either), and run by a Presbyterian minister.
That later gave way to public schools for citizens (i.e., taxpayers).
I wouldn't say homeschooling is bad simply because it's not what we're all used to. I know of two children who were homeschooled, are very bright, well educated, and well adjusted. That doesn't mean there aren't abuses in homeschooling. But then, I know lots of poorly educated sociopaths in public schools.
Which is to say I wouldn't generalize either way, with the fund of information I have available. And now I have to go clean a room.....
i will vote for any politician, republican, democrat, or islamofascist, that promises me a check for my share of public school funding that i can't use because the schools suck.
Yeah. Sounds great to me. Let's just fuck the society so you can have your money.
While you are at it, you don't actually break the law so let's give you your money back for the police.
And your house is not burning (at the moment) so why should you pay for fire protection?
And having an effective means of getting from point A to Point B is only relevant if you are actually going somewhere - so endless toll roads, bridges, and mass transit systems that are not subsidized are the way to go as well. . .
Dismissed.
yeah, he was murdered, supposedly.
pretzel
The last I heard, they're questioning the wife.
But that's pretty much standard procedure.
What, do they graduate from their own house's High School? WTF?!
yeah they always suspect the spouse. (on reality crime shows, seems like it's always the spouse)
i will vote for any politician, republican, democrat, or islamofascist, that promises me a check for my share of public school funding that i can't use because the schools suck.
sebs
Only if I get my money back for all the $$$ wasted on Halliburton in Iraq, and on war and weaponry in general. I don't get to use it, and so far as I can see, it hasn't done me a damned bit of good in 53 years I've been alive.
I want my money back!!!!!!!!!! Vouchers for PEACE!!!!!!
What, do they graduate from their own house's High School? WTF?!
GED?
I've known a few home schoolers. It was all about the lack of religion in the public schools for them. One family was black and the school their kids would have attended was about 40% minority. She used a McDuffy reader. She herself never finished high school and her hubby was just barely literate. They had this weird competition going as to who was more religious. He claimed he was because he was moved to speak in tongues and she wasn't. Nice family, just batshit insane when it came to religion.
Remember the story about the Nazi twins, Prussian Blue?
The perfect ad against homeschooling. People should have the right to do as they see fit, but homeschooling in some cases shouldn't be done. This mother is the perfect example.
do they have like cum laude awards in homeschools? perfect attendance awards?
i will vote for any politician, republican, democrat, or islamofascist, that promises me a check for my share of public school funding that i can't use because the schools suck.
sebs
I also want my money back for all the taxes I've paid the fire dept., and my house hasn't burned down yet! And police! All they do is write ME traffic tickets! I want my money back for never being mugged, robbed, raped, or kidnapped!
Damn, I'm owed a lot!!!!!!!!
1. It's used in many cases to isolate children from other people.
2. Because heaven forbid they find out that what ma and pa tells them isn't always correct.
3. Then there's the fact that the people doing the teaching aren't qualified to do so.
4. Then there's that batshit religious fundamentalist element.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 5:17 pm | #
1. it is my job as a parent to isolate my children from bad elements. is it not?
2. same is true about school. the teachers are doctrinaire and stubborn. my children have free access to the internet and spend months in a foreign country. i hardly believe they are sheltered from different opinions.
3. children teach themselves. they are 3-4 grades ahead already as it is.
4. evolution and genetics are part of the curriculum. my family is not particularly religious.
I want my own aircraft carrier!
Damn, I'm owed a lot!!!!!!!!
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist
Me too. (Coffee would nice, RMJ)
What, do they graduate from their own house's High School? WTF?!
GED?
leibniz♘☮
Dunno, but the two I know are not religious, and are both in college.
Takes all kinds....
sebs,
What did I tell you a few days ago? Weren't you alerted to the fact that the big kids were talking and you needed to go away?
To be fair, I wouldn't want those two girls out in public, either.
i do generalize about homeschoolers. think of them as mostly being religious, possibly racist, fundies, with little knowledge of science, history, or math. maybe that's unfair.
The perfect ad against homeschooling. People should have the right to do as they see fit, but homeschooling in some cases shouldn't be done. This mother is the perfect example.
Monica_A: Giggity! | 07.12.09 - 5:26 pm | #
on a broader level, certain people having children at all is a bad idea.
i do generalize about homeschoolers. think of them as mostly being religious, possibly racist, fundies, with little knowledge of science, history, or math. maybe that's unfair.
pretzel | 07.12.09 - 5:28 pm | #
like all generalizations, it probably is true for about 75% of the people you are generalizing about. no more.
on a broader level, certain people having children at all is a bad idea.
sebs
Please close that door now....
What did I tell you a few days ago? Weren't you alerted to the fact that the big kids were talking and you needed to go away?
Monica_A: Giggity! | 07.12.09 - 5:28 pm | #
yes. but i ignored you.
i do generalize about homeschoolers. think of them as mostly being religious, possibly racist, fundies, with little knowledge of science, history, or math. maybe that's unfair.
pretzel
It certainly isn't regulated, is it? Does data exist about homeschool "graduates" being better or worse in society?
QL- | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 5:26 pm
Doesn't bode well for the kids' learning much.
I am off for a while to think about my BIG thought.
Maybe later I can find a way to delineate my big thought and you could help me navigate . . . .
Peace
We have a few home schooled students at my institution. But there are probably 90 working at a Getty station or as a bible-thumper for every one we accept.
Please pass the cheezey Chrit Crackers
I see sebs is lecturing the left again.
In recent days we have been treated to such as:
- the swim club people were actually the victims when they took the $2000 from the day care group but renenged (no pun intended) when the kids actually showed up and turned out to be not exactly white
- Sarah Palin is one of us and we could support her
and now home schooling.
I also want my money back for all the taxes I've paid the fire dept., and my house hasn't burned down yet! And police! All they do is write ME traffic tickets! I want my money back for never being mugged, robbed, raped, or kidnapped!
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist | 07.12.09 - 5:27 pm | #
those are preventive services. the analogy is completely broken. it's like asking for your insurance money back.
smarter snark please.
are we really letting sebs create a discussion on homeschooling?
the guy isnt even real.
please. killfile can be your friend and when a troll shits in the woods, just let him eat his own poo.
you believe he is an immigrant? has children?
lives where he says he lives?
JOHN needs to do his job here and put up a new post.
By definition homeschooling would engender a very libertarian "get away from me" vibe with the children.
I don't see how that could be overcome.
Poo fight!!!!!!
We got a fundie church here where I live.
They had a school but since they've only had three "graduates" in like 10 years, they closed it.
They DO teach a class for girls -- to turn them into Stepfords. Ugh!
do they have like cum laude awards in homeschools? perfect attendance awards?
pretzel | 07.12.09 - 5:27 pm | #
there is not much attendance to speak of. the required curriculum takes about 2 hours a day to work through. so my kids burn through that and spend the rest of the time on other stuff. but all in all they do real school work maybe 2-3 days a week. saturdays are our big homeshooling day and we do all our tests then.
I would guess that at least 1/2 of the homeschoolers out here are DFH's taken to an extreme, rather than religious. For example, our neighbors: woman lives with two "husbands" and homeschools quite a managerie. They are hard core Libertarians, ex-military, and armed with shit I don't want to know about. They come across as deadheads....love to come to our parties with live music and swirl like dervishes. I actually like them a lot but they are certainly *different.
Sarah Palin is one of us and we could support her
Bullshit.
I detest her and everything she stands for.
owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always like it when the christo-facist schools don't want their kids mingling with the other kids, but scream bloody murder to get their kids to go along with the cheerleaders or football squad on the school they don't support.
im a bit interested in home schooling, i have some fundy cousins that (i think) homeschooled their kids, or partially homeschooled them. not really sure how that worked out, the parents were dedicated and pretty smart despite their ideology. i think the kids got into accredited colleges.
Oh, I see sebs homeschools.
Poor fucking sebs kids. Not a fucking chance.
That's virtual kids and virtual home-schooling as buttler has no kids.
I detest her and everything she stands for.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
How fast can you run, biatch! I could blast you from they sky.
How fast can you run, biatch! I could blast you from they sky.
Sarah Pale N
I've known a few home schoolers. It was all about the lack of religion in the public schools for them. One family was black and the school their kids would have attended was about 40% minority. She used a McDuffy reader. She herself never finished high school and her hubby was just barely literate. They had this weird competition going as to who was more religious. He claimed he was because he was moved to speak in tongues and she wasn't. Nice family, just batshit insane when it came to religion.
QL- | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 5:26 pm | #
sounds like a recipe for disaster. most of the homeschoolers we associate with are secular, super highly educated, and just sick of paying $10K per year per child for sucky private schools. if the private schools were a little better for what you have to pay, i bet none of us would be doing this.
but now that we've started, we love it. i would not go back.
That's virtual kids and virtual home-schooling as buttler has no kids.
billy b
Wasn't Santorum accepting money from a PA school district for homeschooling his kids?
And it was discovered that the family was living in Virginia and not in PA?
I don't run from trolls.
im a bit interested in home schooling, i have some fundy cousins that (i think) homeschooled their kids, or partially homeschooled them. not really sure how that worked out, the parents were dedicated and pretty smart despite their ideology. i think the kids got into accredited colleges.
pretzel | 07.12.09 - 5:35 pm | #
pretzel, i'd be happy to answer any questions. its REALLY GREAT. my kids tested about 3 grades ahead when they started, and a year later they test 3 grades ahead still, so we are not causing any harm at least.
and its lots of fun and very relaxing. they spent a month at the beach in the fall. we took a 3 week xmas break. they do a lot of fishing, nature walks, and sleepovers with other homeschoolers.
the best thing is you can see them learning. its amazing how much they can learn in just a couple of hours one on one. 10x what they can learn sitting in a classroom.
overall, i would not go back.
they always suspect the spouse. (on reality crime shows, seems like it's always the spouse)
pretzel
Before you check out the outlaws, you have to check out the in-laws.
Or something to that effect.
I would guess that at least 1/2 of the homeschoolers out here are DFH's taken to an extreme, rather than religious.
ErinPDX | 07.12.09 - 5:34 pm | #
that's my wife.
By definition homeschooling would engender a very libertarian "get away from me" vibe with the children.
I don't see how that could be overcome.
MP | 07.12.09 - 5:32 pm | #
you are supposed to do lots of organized activities with other children. mine do sports with a rec league, take outside classes, and have regular get togethers with a group of families that do the same. they get a lot more playtime with other children than they did back when we were in the private school rat race.
that's my wife.
Mrs. Rosy Palm sebs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h?
v=LepWePZpJGo
i do generalize about homeschoolers. think of them as mostly being
religious, possibly racist, fundies, with little knowledge of science,
history, or math. maybe that's unfair.
The best ones I've heard of are the kids of the Ranger who lives at the base of Hualasupai, like two miles in the ground. They're home schooled because it's either that or they're sent to boarding school. They've done well, used much the same kind of curriculum developed for remote schooling in Oz. Different genres of course.
Duncan, thank you for giving John a spare key to the place
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