I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
1th
of 8 million suspects:
White the IGs’ report does not yield any details about the secret programs, Radar reported in 2008 that a program called “Main Core” was engaged in massive data collection of Americans:
According to a senior government official… ”There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously.” … One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.
ME!
11% humidity! 114F!
If you've not seen this, here is Sasha laughing.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/o1QvLAnS.jpg
Doug | 07.11.09 - 5:10 pm | #
repost
Why is Widen such a douche on healthcare?
trifecta
My theory is that this has been "his cause" for many years now. He started working on it long ago, during the era when he was going to have to suck republican dick to get anything at all passed, let alone something workable. So he's come up with his own plan, which actually has a lot of good things about it, the best being getting rid of the employer middleman entirely. But now he is so married to his own damned plan, seems like he won't budge. His way or the highway is what it looks like to me.
ErinPDX | 07.11.09 - 5:10 pm | #
okay, it's 'socialist'... but are the people friendly?
I am drinking good wine, watching the Killers live from T In The Park on BBC Three and suitcase is packed
all is good in Devizes 
It can't possibly work.
Boss, how can U stand to be in teh Great Frozen North???
It's teh fishes, iznt it? Haz u had a nice Smorgasbricka yet? Herring iz ur friend.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you - The Great Oskini!
And his Flying Rope Trick!!!
16 months paid parental leave (80% salary) per child, split between parents mostly how they want. Just sayin'.
A person who is away from their job that long will soon be made irrelevant.
Just sayin.
Atrios is in SOCIALIST NIGHTMARE!!!!
Is Atrios guest-judging for the Swedish Bikini Team?
Atrios, do try the seafood, especially the happy open faced sandwiches those socialists enjoy for brunch. They are quite good, and they are taxed heavily.
Swedish people never get sick do they?
i get 27 paid holiday
plus 8 bank holidays
as a government borg employee
plus a nifty pension
One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed
in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national
emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened
surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even
detention.
NYT: Cheney is Linked to Concealment of CIA Program
In a week or two it is going to be obvious that Cheney is guilty of ordering assassinations. We still don't know what the "secret program" is for certain, but the article says that it (a) involved counterterrorism and (b) did not involve interrogation. What else could it have been? Sure ain't wiretapping.
And what will be done? Nothing, nothing at all.
Atrios is in SOCIALIST NIGHTMARE!!!!
THE HEALTHCARE IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!!!!
I am starting to hate the sun.
-Atrios
Socialism turns people into vampires.
the UK is not quite a full socialist hellhole tho, due to years of the poison that is Thacterism
BEEP. Poop. LarryElvis!
lbdt
Oh, I guess my joy at rediscovering that DVD with all the missing CDs on it was a tad premature -- at least one of the albums, K2, Book of the Dead, was apparently purchased via MusicMatch, before Yahoo! took them over. Had I known before March 30 this year, I *might* have been able to get new files, but these DRM-encoded WMA files are now digital trash that will never be played, again.
I don't think I could take those long dark winters and then the daylit summers. I wonder how people adjust to that.
I took six days off last year and never fucking heard the end of it.
The plumber is here. I hope he finishes quickly. I have to do a full frontal assault on laundry.
I hope this job interview goes well for Mlle. She really wants to work and have her own money.
If you've not seen this, here is Sasha laughing.
Hee! Puppies... what can u say?
From below...
I tried that. It don't work for shit. Plus, it screwed the settings for Navigator and Wamcom, a Moz varient that worked better than Navigator.
Thankfully, none of this happened because of MY recommendation! 
We adjust in the PNW but teh rain sux.
I don't think I could take those long dark winters and then the daylit summers. I wonder how people adjust to that.
Marcellina, elitist snob | Homepage | 07.11.09 - 5:15 pm | #
drugs, alcohol, and suicide.
I don't think I could take those long dark winters and then the daylit summers. I wonder how people adjust to that.
Marcellina, elitist snob
It's sorta like that in Edinburgh. You get used to it. Drink and companions help quite a bit.
When I lived in Alaska, we blacked out the windows in the summer after 8 at night. That helped some.
Winters are kinda sucky though.
Doesn't it get cold up in Sweden?
I've got nothing nice to say, so I'm not gonna say anything.
drugs, alcohol, and suicide
The name of my album.
Penguin, sure. But the sun's up forever this time of year.
T in the Park is a musical festival up in Scotland
my sister is actually spending a week in Scotland, exploring the various Isles
I've got nothing nice to say, so I'm not gonna say anything.
Oh, come over and sit by me. You can say all the un-nice things you want.
I don't think I could take those long dark winters and then the daylit summers. I wonder how people adjust to that.
Marcellina, elitist snob
This may explain Sarah Palin, when you think of it...
Doesn't it get cold up in Sweden?
Probably no colder than, say, Montreal.
The gulf stream keeps things a little milder there.
Doesn't it get cold up in Sweden?
Penguin Fan
Yes, but it's in socialist degrees so it's spread evenly among everyone.
They got this new invention - drapes.
Penguin Fan: I don't think the culture is nearly as "dog-eat-dog" (apologies to Sasha, Arthur plus every other dog, I don't know where these phrases come from) as it is here. Backstabbing might be the real national pastime in the US.
my sister has finished her employment at Queen Margarets
next autumn she will be working for Padworth college, back down South
busy summer for my sister thats for sure
but I am so happy for her, its what she has been really wanting
my sister is actually spending a week in Scotland, exploring the various Isles
My wife was able to do that last summer...she had tea with the bishop of Argyle.
Bobo's Thigh is my band name.
Moon, Orkney is a complete trip.
Wild and rugged as another planet. Stromness and Kirkwall are worth a visit. And you can visit the Highland Park distillery, excellent whisky.
Wasn't there some flick with Pacino where he's a cop investigating a murder in Alaska, and he's nearly driven mad by the long days?
My wife was able to do that last summer...she had tea with the bishop of Argyle.
AndyG | Homepage | 07.11.09 - 5:18 pm | #
cool!
I only want to go over to Scotland for Scotchtoberfest. I want to wear my battle kilt.
Doesn't it get cold up in Sweden?
Penguin Fan
It's OK, they have thermal bikinis.
dragged up from below, not because it's any big thang, just for the record...
Someone upthread called Glenn Greenwald a liberal. Just for the record - at least as near as I can tell - he's never described himself as such, and in fact he seems to take great pains to obscure whatever actual political views he hold, other than those related to civil liberties. He is pretty much an absolutist on this one topic, and he has no problems publishing in places like American Conservative magazine.
Some describe him as vaguely libertarianish; dunno, could be. FWIW, he has also been favorably featured libertarian publication Reason, and also criticized there (e.g., some brouhaha involving libertarian Cathy Young I cannot fully recall now).
{/nit-pick}
my sis is then back for a week and then heading off to Swizterland
yeah she likes to travel, winged feet my older sister has
Wasn't there some flick with Pacino where he's a cop investigating a murder in Alaska, and he's nearly driven mad by the long days?
Jeffraham, public option
Insomnia
sister is actually spending a week in Scotland, exploring the various Isles
I would like to explore the various distilleries.
Orkney Dark Island is great beer.
in order to immigrate to Sweden as a non-EU citizen, you have to demonstrate a good working knowledge of Swedish
Penguin Fan: I don't think the culture is nearly as "dog-eat-dog"
When I go on vacation, my clients still call and I still return their calls.
And I bring my laptop and still file documents.
I'm torn between adoring Skye and that neighbourhood and Portmeirion. Either place I reckon I could disappear entirely. Assuming the grocer delivered and there was good net access.
David Derbes: Insomnia
Right! That's it. I just find 99% of all films to be utterly forgettable, as that one was. Also.
I only want to go over to Scotland for Scotchtoberfest. I want to wear my battle kilt.
Ya used me, Skinner...ya UUUUUUUUSED me!!!
Wasn't there some flick with Pacino where he's a cop investigating a murder in Alaska, and he's nearly driven mad by the long days?
He ends up worse than that.
we were missing a cable in order to hook up the computer to the tv for karaoke which is just as well.
Swiss people go to sleep early.
Hi...I'm a troll. I'm hosting a dinner party, but I'd thought I'd stop by to say how everyone is wrong.
...and Derbes? I am charmed by the amalgamation of a New Orleanais and a Scot....
I would like to explore the various distilleries.
Rmj, Love Stolen Theologist
those slanties would indicate a good start.
please go to bed then Mimi. Be Swiss.
Yurp sucks.
I'm glad I live here.
I don't think I could take those long dark winters and then the daylit summers. I wonder how people adjust to that.
Marcellina
"Wodka." - Boris Yeltsin
One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention. - 1Watt
Well, damn. Bet every last one of us is in Main Core.
my sis spent a year teaching in Japan
she's spent time in Prague, Florence, Vienna etc.
Oman, Tunisia, France
she's done so much more than I thats for sure
we don't always get on as much as I would like, not quite the same closeness I have with my brother, I do know if we spend to long together the arguments get louder and louder and we both get irritable
but usual sister stuff really, other times its get fun, like Latitude last year
No doubt. The agronomy guys I deal with are the same way. It embarasses the hell out of me to call one of them on their cell and find out they're on vacation, though. There's times it's necessary, but on the whole I think it's part of our addiction to immediate gratification.
as always mileage varies. gots to go look productive.
Hi...I'm a troll. I'm hosting a dinner party, but I'd thought I'd stop by to say how everyone is wrong.
AndyG
Umm, Andy, everybody here is wrong, and there are breaks in dinner parties to ok the proofs of the last supermodel photoshoot, and to redesign some engineering schematics before the fourth course.
My theory is that this has been "his cause" for many years now. He started working on it long ago, during the era when he was going to have to suck republican dick to get anything at all passed, let alone something workable. So he's come up with his own plan, which actually has a lot of good things about it, the best being getting rid of the employer middleman entirely. But now he is so married to his own damned plan, seems like he won't budge. His way or the highway is what it looks like to me.
ErinPDX
you got it, gal.
i think it means be can/may come around, unlike the clusterfk around Bayh and Conrad.
Montreal is the coldest big city on Earth.
Stockholm is much warmer - I get this knowledge from Swedes who work for Ericsson in Montreal.
They have a big office there. Two thousand employees.
One of my best friends is Swiss. He keeps me up all hours of the night showing me Miyazaki films and Futurama episodes.
I am going to tell you about the greatest amateur sporting event on the planet: the Ba' Game.
(Ba' is Orkney for "Ball".)
The town of Kirkwall in Orkney has streets about four feet wide and stone houses on either side. On Hogmanay (tha's New Years to you lot) the town divides into the Uppies and the Doonies, and there is an enormous scrum in the city streets to decide who wins. The only rule is that no weapons are to be used.
Imagine a scrum of several hundred on both sides, pushing and shoving, for up to eight hours, in bitter cold, so ferocious that the windows have to be shuttered with thick wooden walls, or participants will be shoved through them. You see these holes drilled into the stone walls of buildings on either side of the windows, to hold the shutters for the Ba' Game.
Here, in case you think I'm kidding:
The Kirkwall Ba'
I think its because I have more common interests with my brother than my sister
also due to my sister like having winged feet, she'd be here for a week then flitter off
I don't think I've ever seen her take time out, she's like Mercury
(CNN) – The two new ethics complaints filed against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in the past week should be ‘a wake-up call,’ the former Republican vice presidential candidate says.
Um, okay...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
everybody here is wrong, and there are breaks in dinner parties to ok the proofs of the last supermodel photoshoot, and to redesign some engineering schematics before the fourth course.
Meconium!
Andy is a food fascist.
trifecta, shouldn't you be tending to that child of yours?
I love it here in this socialist hellhole!
BREAKING NEWS: N.Y. Times reports Cheney ordered CIA to conceal program from Congress
NTodd, how's E?
*does a happy dance*
"However, I must confess that I have had it with these motherfucking trolls on this motherfucking blog.
Try ignoring them, then. Works wonders."
That doesn't work for me.
I'm one of those "reads a whole page at a glance" people.
That's why I am so enamored of killfile.
Andy is a food fascist.
Eat me(mi).
Well, poop.
Raining.
V. good chance of rain, tomorrow, so the ride I posted at ESS may not happen.
Cheney linked to concealment of CIA project
Former vice president told agency to hide it from Congress, 2 sources say
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3186...new_york_times/
His way or the highway is what it looks like to me.
Wyden is on his way to becoming roadkill.
And don't worry, you can come back in December and hardly ever see the sun.
Efforts to reach Mr. Cheney through relatives and associates were unsuccessful.
Send the cops.
Uh-oh. Cheney's about to have a "Ken Lay event."
My child is fine Mimi. You are mentally ill.
Wow...while not terribly shocking, that's pretty big news.
I do believe I haz some whiskey in teh house. (113F)
The Kirkwall Ba' - David Derbes
I do believe that the human species is inherently nuts.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Hi...I'm a troll. I'm hosting a dinner party, but I'd thought I'd stop by to say how everyone is wrong.
AndyG
It's a miracle!
...and Derbes? I am charmed by the amalgamation of a New Orleanais and a Scot....
Arthur J. GWPDA, Appts Secy
The Scots is through my border mother, but I am more Scot by experience than DNA. Four years in Edinburgh on a physics Ph.D. under Peter Higgs.
But there are some common features, and some radical differences. Fondness for drink and the fiddle and dancing. My father's Creole family was and is much more tolerant, and much less canny with finance. Still, I love 'em both.
http://foodpairing.blogspot.com/
I got my recipes for tonight's dinner from this blog. none of the instructional videos are in English though.
the chocolate mayonnaise was a big hit.
I do believe I haz some whiskey in teh house. (113F)
GWPDA
Just make sure you stay hydrated!
Ditto for Arthur.
QL,
Efforts to reach Mr. Cheney through relatives and associates were unsuccessful.
Did they use a pentogram and goat's blood? You can't skimp and use sheep if you want to summon Cheneys.
Aren't Swedes descendants of those people that used to travel abroad and rape and pillage?
It's a miracle!
It really is...just like yesterday when he appeared at the mere mention of Canada, Germany, and Switzerland in a single paragraph.
really trifecta? that's not what I heard.
Marcellina - Baby Momma's doing very well, though it's a bit hard to get totally comfy now and 3rd trimester looms. Sam's been punching and kicking a lot, which I can not only feel but see! 'course it doesn't feel too good to Ericka when her bladder is his target...
Did they use a pentogram and goat's blood? You can't skimp and use sheep if you want to summon Cheneys.
BlueinColorado
Voices in ones head tend to be contrary to reality.
Gordon Brown has defended the government's Afghanistan strategy, saying it is the right one despite a "dangerous battle" ahead.
The prime minister said it was aimed at preventing terrorism in the UK. Fifteen British troops have died in 10 days.
Two men killed on Thursday have been named. The first was Rifleman Daniel Hume, 22, of 4th Battalion The Rifles.
The second was and Private John Brackpool, 27, Prince of Wales' Company, 1st Battalion Welsh Guards.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/81.../uk/
8146082.stm
their are enough helicopters which could be released but the government won't do that, they want to contiue this horrible war but won't commit more resources to it
so you know they are like trying to have their cake and eat it
and all that happens is young men are killed and wedding parties are bombed
Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
(police car pulls over Cheney)
"Mr Cheney, we're going to have to look in your trunk"
I feel a strong urge to go to Ikea for some reason...
Hagggis gumbo?
I would like to explore the various distilleries.
Rmj, Love Stolen Theologist
those slanties would indicate a good start.
1Watt, Hermit
Or a fond hope.
NTodd, from her last photo, she looks great. Very healthy.
I was tempted to say I hope you get a son just like you, but that would be so unfair to Ericka
Wow...Sy Hersh proven correct again.
So NASA is going to take aerial photos of the "moon landing sites"
Yuh..in Arizona.
Mr Cheney, we're going to have to look in your trunk
Ew.
Voices in ones head tend to be contrary to reality.
AndyG
Reality is just a concept. Voices, on the other hand, are real.
"Mr Cheney, we're going to have to look in your trunk"
..."I beg your pardon, Mr. Cheney? Did you just say what I think you said?...That's it. Cuff him, Danno."
Not holding my breath...
Obama doesn't want to look back, but Attorney General Eric Holder may probe Bush-era torture anyway.
Holder, 58, may be on the verge of asserting his independence in a profound way. Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices, something the president has been reluctant to do. While no final decision has been made, an announcement could come in a matter of weeks, say these sources, who decline to be identified discussing a sensitive law-enforcement matter.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/206300
Do Svenske make good beer?
Mr Cheney, we're going to have to look in your trunk
The life of a Repo Man is always intense.
Cheney should spend some time at Baghram
Attorney General Eric Holder may probe Bush-era torture anyway.
Heh. He said probe Bush.
Sallyh - she's gotten bigger since that one, I swear.
Now lemme tell ya about her fundus...
One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed
in Main Core as potentially suspect.
So, come and arrest us already! Wanna learn about being fearless and happy? Please shoot yer best shot, ya pathetically paranoid control freaks!
This government is of, by and for the people. Create happy harmony for us, or pull a Palin, fer chrissakes!
The life of a Repo Man is always intense.
Outstanding flick. Harry Dean Stanton was terrific.
...and Scott Shane's been the best thing the NYT's had going for itself.
(sorry, Shrill One...it's true)
I feel a strong urge to go to Ikea for some reason...
Pick up some Pepparkakor.
The life of a Repo Man is always intense.
Rmj, Love Stolen Theologist
Feeling 7-up I'm feeling 7-up...
Why was Cheney running the CIA, anyway?
The Swedish government controls how much alcohol each person can buy. You get a ration book and have to go to the state liquor store to buy alcohol, I was told.
And, they confiscate a lot of alcohol from Swedes returning from abroad. (to make ethanol)
G/Son and I took a class on bees And, here's the rain. Thank the Goddess.
CIA - Cheney Information Agency?
Why was Cheney running the CIA, anyway?
What wasn't he running?
One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect.
At which point the whole concept of "suspect" becomes completely meaningless.
And simultaneously underscores the reason for "innocent until proven guilty" and that whole 4th amendment nuisance.
Hiya, leibniz!
True story. My mother came to visit in 1978, in June, and cooked red beans and rice for about twenty of us. There was a time when Aberdeen had quite a few Cajuns helping teach the Scots how to drill for oil in the North Sea. There was a store there that sold Zatarain's Crab Boil and red beans and andouille and Tabasco and all sorts of home stuff to help the expatriates feel better (at outrageous prices, which of course the Cajuns could pay, earning astounding money on the rigs.) My best friend, a semiCanadian, had a GF in Aberdeen who brought down the makin's and my mom got to work. Best meal many of us had had in months.
As it happens the best haggis shop in Edinburgh, and maybe in Scotland, was across the street from my flat in Bruntsfield; the outfit is called Macsween's. Great stuff.
If you haven't had good haggis, don't knock it.
Attorney General Eric Holder may probe Bush-era torture anyway.
Heh. He said probe Bush.
MP |
Rumsfeld and I got drunk and probed him one night. He squeals. It was funny. My cheek hurt from smirking.
Fucking Barbara got wind of it and made us stop. Bitch thinks she's all that cause Our Dark Father liked her better, just because she was the oldest.
I feel a strong urge to go to Ikea for some reason...
Pick up some Pepparkakor.
Marcellina, elitist snob
Cloudberry preserves. I make better pepperkakor than they sell.
But those preserves....
The Swedish government controls how much alcohol each person can buy. You get a ration book and have to go to the state liquor store to buy alcohol, I was told.
And, they confiscate a lot of alcohol from Swedes returning from abroad. (to make ethanol)
mimi | Homepage | 07.11.09 - 5:36 pm | #
Uh, no.
Obama doesn't want to look back, but Attorney General Eric Holder may probe Bush-era torture anyway.
Holder, 58, may be on the verge of asserting his independence in a profound way. Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices, something the president has been reluctant to do. While no final decision has been made, an announcement could come in a matter of weeks, say these sources, who decline to be identified discussing a sensitive law-enforcement matter.
what did you think was going to happen once OB put a responsible indivuidual at the DOJ?
he was going to ignore crimes?
Jeff Sharlet on The Family:
In 1974, a family prayer group of Republican Congressmen and former Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird helped convince President Gerald Ford that Nixon deserved not just Christian forgiveness, but also legal pardon. That story, by the way, was reported in The New York Times. Why isn’t it in the official record? Because it was reported in The Times’ religion page as a sweet little story on the power of prayer. No one paid attention to the fact that Ford was very explicit that he was going to decide on Nixon’s pardon by convening his old Family- organized prayer group that he had when in Congress.
Also in 1974, Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist led the Family’s first weekly bible study for federal judges. Reagan, early in his first term, declared of The Family at a National Prayer Breakfast, “I wish I could say more about it, but it’s working precisely because it’s private.” You think this would have been a call for investigative journalists everywhere to descend upon this. Instead, the press just mostly said, “Oh it’s private, okay sure. Hands off.”
http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2009/apr...ril/
sharlet.php
Presumptively-off-the-record is not just for Washington bureau chiefs.
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I love this line from the NYT story:
Efforts to reach Mr. Cheney through relatives and associates were unsuccessful.
When's the next time Lynn's gonna be on TV?
uh yes. 3 people told me that.
And what will be done? Nothing, nothing at all.
David Derbes, optimistic
But bad karma has a nasty habit of rebounding to its creator, don'cha know.
Ask Sanford, Palin, Ensign, etc....
Marcellina. I still have to talk with Mr. ql. Right now I'm thinking of spending the day with you at the cabin then driving to Philly for drinking liberally and renting a hotel room. Will let you know in a day or two.
and they are all Swedish.
I live in Stockholm, they were bullshitting you.
And simultaneously underscores the reason for "innocent until proven guilty" and that whole 4th amendment nuisance.
Rmj, Love Stolen Theologist | 07.11.09 - 5:37 pm | #
And how close we were to going over the edge. Blackwater troops in the street. A big suspects database. Some disappearances in the night. Fear of torture.
Presto!
Also.
uh yes. 3 people told me that.
Best. Thread. Ever.
The program has already done its real job.
Why you renting a hotel room? I haz fully equipped house.
However, if you're gonna do that then come up on the 30th and hear me do that concert.
2 of the 3 people who told me that live in Stockholm.
the other one goes back there for 1 or 2 weeks a month.
Wow...Sy Hersh proven correct again.
AndyG
Well, we still have some i's to dot and t's to cross, but I think that's how it's going to shake out.
Thus far we know for certain that (a) there was a secret program in place for eight years, immediately after 9/11 (b) Congress was never told about it [whether or not the Gang of Eight knew, I simply do not know, but maybe not] (c) Cheney ordered this program to be kept quiet (d) it did not involve interrogation (e) it did involve counterterrorism.
In March in your neck of the woods, Andy, Sy Hersh talked about Cheney having a murder squad.
It's probable that Hersh knows what he's talking about, and this is the secret program. But that isn't established yet.
Oh, sorry, I get it. Post DL hotel room so as not to drive. Gotcha.
What was Director Tenet doing during all of this? "Yeah, what he said." every time Cheney farted?
And they are laughing at you gullibility. Really, it's not true.
It's bigger than a breadbox!
Former CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden angrily struck back Saturday at assertions the Bush administration's post-9/11 surveillance program was more far-reaching than imagined and was largely concealed from congressional overseers.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Hayden maintained that top members of Congress were kept well-informed all along the way, notwithstanding protests from some that they were kept in the dark.
"One of the points I had in every one of the briefings was to make sure they understood the scope of our activity 'They've got to know this is bigger than a bread box,' I said," said Hayden, who also previously headed the National Security Agency.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...w_n_230066.html
In an interview with The Associated Press, Hayden maintained that top members of Congress were kept well-informed all along the way
Republicans, I'll betcha.
put hayden at bagram and let a few liberals at him.
Oh, sorry, I get it. Post DL hotel room so as not to drive. Gotcha.
Marcellina
That and I'll probably want to be in bed by 9, 10 at the latest. Don't want to poop on everyone's party.
Interesting post from Joan Walsh at Salon on that Holder story:
...Holder won the disclosure debate, Obama released the (torture) memos, and something troubling occurred: The lack of any real public outrage over the torture disclosures emboldened Republicans to challenge Obama's national security bona fides, and discouraged Democrats and the White House from further disclosures as well as investigation and, heaven forbid, prosecution. Holder expected the memos to raise the clamor for more action, but when no clamor arose, his position was in fact weakened...
...I want to dwell particularly on one point. The notion that there was no public outrage after the memos is hard to swallow: Certainly in the pages of Salon, and throughout the entire liberal blogosphere, there was plenty of clamor and outrage. I personally wasted my breath multiple times on MSNBC and CNN, debating torture with the likes of G. Gordon Liddy, David Frum and Liz Cheney.
But it will take a lot more clamor to move public opinion on this issue. One thing is particularly clear: any pro-Obama partisan who lectures others on the need to be patient with Obama, or to believe Obama knows best when it comes to whether and when to act on the issues of torture and detention – well, anyone who argues that position should now know that they own responsibility for Bush-era lawless cruelty, along with the Obama administration. Now more than ever, let's not be sheeple.
There is *nothing* with sufficient redemptive power that George Tenet can ever do no matter how long he lives that could offset the horror show that closed out his career.
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Any gossip whether Michelle got along well with the Pope's wife?
Cheney: "TOP OF THE WOIRLD, MA!!!!!"
"Everybody run, the former VP has a gun....."
no, these are very nice and sweet women. very kind and open.
There appears no end in sight for when Dick Cheney, a rare former vice president with Secret Service protection, will lose his security detail. Whispers has learned that the political battler's Secret Service protection has been extended, though there were no details on the length. We don't know why President Obama OK'd the extension, which must be approved by the commander in chief because former veeps typically don't get any Secret Service security after leaving office. But indications are that the threats against Cheney, who's working on his biography at his homes in Virginia and Maryland, haven't lessened since his term expired.
16 months paid maternity/paternity leave sounds hellish.
sign me up
Now more than ever, let's not be sheeple.
Too late.
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There is *nothing* with sufficient redemptive power that George Tenet can ever do no matter how long he lives that could offset the horror show that closed out his career.
Howzabout swingin' by the neck until dead Dead DEAD!
Going out to dinner with the rents. Later, peeps. Nice talking to yas.
I thought Gore had a Secret Service detail at his home in Belle Meade...?
goodnight moonbats
talk to u when I can
I shall be in Cairo for the next 2 weeks
I'm out
Too late.
"You mean we can't win? Then we can't lose, either. Only if we give up!" - Orson Welles, "Lady from Shanghai"
I will tell you what. my friend will be by again tomorrow afternoon and I will ask her to post the same thing I said just now.
Comment by mimi blocked.
Don't you have a mens' room to haunt?
NYT: Cheney is Linked to Concealment of CIA Program
I'm shocked to hear that.
Throw his pasty white ass in the slamma.
Veracity, I hardly knew ye.
I thought Gore had a Secret Service detail at his home in Belle Meade...?,
Ladybird Johnson had one right up to the end. Mondale? Quayle? I wonder how many people on the street could name them without thinking.
Hi and bye, QL!
firmly in the camp of troll posts dont make a sound if no one responds.
That's the thing you just LOVE about our government: no matter how bad you THINK it is, they manage to eclipse these bad dreams with a far more fearful reality.
(And David, we NEED accountability but I don't see it coming. . . .)
What peterboy said.
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But at the Solstice, you get sun almost 23 hours. And people take boats across to get beer in Denmark or where ever. My pipple.
Morning glories and G/Son stories at the home page.
Independent’s Day
Obama doesn't want to look back, but Attorney General Eric Holder may probe Bush-era torture anyway.
These are not just the philosophical musings of a new attorney general. Holder, 58, may be on the verge of asserting his independence in a profound way. Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices, something the president has been reluctant to do. While no final decision has been made, an announcement could come in a matter of weeks, say these sources, who decline to be identified discussing a sensitive law-enforcement matter. Such a decision would roil the country, would likely plunge Washington into a new round of partisan warfare, and could even imperil Obama's domestic priorities, including health care and energy reform. Holder knows all this, and he has been wrestling with the question for months. "I hope that whatever decision I make would not have a negative impact on the president's agenda," he says. "But that can't be a part of my decision."
NYT: Cheney is Linked to Concealment of CIA Program
Pork Chop was running a CIA hit squad that reported only to him.
Let's build gallows for the war criminal.
firmly in the camp of troll posts dont make a sound if no one responds.
peterboy
Especially that Merkin troll.
He's a jackass.
Cheney's afraid that one of the many friends he's made in other countries might want to pay him a visit, and he doesn't like houseguests.
But indications are that the threats against Cheney, who's working on his biography at his homes in Virginia and Maryland, haven't lessened since his term expired.
Heh.
*sigh*
Now we know why Cheney is for gay marriage.
QuentinCompson, Retributionary | H
What Quentin said.
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A most adorable kitteh, IMO.
Jan Schakowski is not my representative, but she's not far from me, either. I wrote her to ask please to investigate this secret Cheney program, and mentioned Hersh's remarks (and linked to a MN paper about them.)
She probably knows all this and more.
Please may the truth come out.
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Agent Orange | 07.11.09 - 5:56 pm | #
What AO said.
Howzabout swingin' by the neck until dead Dead DEAD!
dave™©
Nobody's death ever did much for me, or probably ever will. Exception being, if the dude aiming a gun at my head--or, what the hey, yours, too--suddenly croaks it and drops on the spot. I'll give that one to the FSM, head over to Bono's and have a plate. With extra cheese. Also...
I was very disappointed to hear Schakowsky nixed the Senate race
I don't get it. The Vice President doesn't have the authority to order the CIA to do jack shit. He's not the fucking President, and the President can't delegate that authority to him unilaterally.
I prefer they put Cheney in the National Zoo.
Jan Schakowski is genuinely liberal. Can't say that about many in the Congress.
if i wuz obama, a SS detail following Cheney around would seem only prudent.
In honor of Cheney I am fixing pork chops now. Also roasting some yukon gold taters w/ onion and hot banana peppers.
Also.
Maybe I should forget about cooking dinner. I missed 201 comments.
get ready for:
let's not turn policy disagreements into crimes.
cause it is all they got.
I have discovered that the grant I applied for from the A__S in 2007 is functionally identical to the one I'm applying for from the N_H in 2009. This is very convenient.....
Maybe I should forget about cooking dinner. I missed 201 comments.
mer
hoo hoo
if i wuz obama, a SS detail following Cheney around would seem only prudent.
heh
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While no final decision has been made, an announcement could come in a matter of weeks, say these sources,
What was it that Andrew Card advised?
Oh, yes. From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August.
I don't get it. The Vice President doesn't have the authority to order the CIA to do jack shit. He's not the fucking President, and the President can't delegate that authority to him unilaterally.
MP | 07.11.09 - 5:59 pm | #
the president does not have the authority to arrest US citizens on US soil and torture them into insanity in naval brigs. Yet ...
Damn, I could have sworn that didn't look like Sweden!! Guess I lost the "Where in the world is Atrios" office pool.
Cheney has been quiet lately. Wonder why.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ SoBeale! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
How's Zelda?
Yeah, you lost. It is definitely Stockholm.
"Cheney has been quiet lately. Wonder why."
--pie
GWPDA, I hope you get metric truckloads of $$$ for your Great War Public Digital Archive.
(and a new bone for Arthur J. GWPDA, too.)
Cheney has been quiet lately. Wonder why.
pie |
Likely looking at property in Costa Rica nearby where his butthole buddy Kenneth Lay has been hiding out since he 'died'.
.
Are they saying that Chimpy knew nothing of this business?
Maybe I should forget about cooking dinner. I missed 201 comments.
Send out and catch up. Only prudent.
in between camping trips, had a pizza out last night and mark sanford was there. he sat next to me and had his hand on my inner thigh for the entire meal. it was gross.
Yeah, you lost. It is definitely Stockholm.
And I was just there last year!
I just got my mother's chicken spaghetti receipt.
That's what we're having.
mark sanford was there. he sat next to me and had his hand on my inner thigh for the entire meal. it was gross.
notaboomer, golden age o fraud | 07.11.09 - 6:05 pm | #
Well, Bathsheba told him to take a hike (ahem).
...I want to dwell particularly on one point. The notion that there was no public outrage after the memos is hard to swallow: Certainly in the pages of Salon, and throughout the entire liberal blogosphere, there was plenty of clamor and outrage. I personally wasted my breath multiple times on MSNBC and CNN, debating torture with the likes of G. Gordon Liddy, David Frum and Liz Cheney.
'Cept neither the liberal blogosphere nor Liddy, Frum or Liz = "America."
I do wonder what appetite there is to prosecute torturers, not among the US Attorneys, but among the jury pools they will argue to. So much depends upon who is prosecuted, and for what crimes.
So excuse me if I refuse to let responsibility for Bush-era torture be pushed off onto my shoulders. That's a cheap shot, Joan, and not really much of an argument.
And I was just there last year!
Yeah, but didn't you only see the inside of their emergency room?
LarryElvis had beautiful eyes.
Sigh
Freepers in full meltdown over Obama girls.
we are doing pork chops and corn and potatoes, then out on a date. we bought enough to stuff the babysitter before we go out.
Yeah, you lost. It is definitely Stockholm.
Bajsa
It's a syndrome. We all get it, sooner or later.
Are they saying that Chimpy knew nothing of this business?
MP
Nope.
Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project
By SCOTT SHANE
Published: July 11, 2009
The Central Intelligence Agency withheld information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress for eight years on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney, the agency’s director, Leon E. Panetta, has told the Senate and House intelligence committees, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The report that Mr. Cheney was behind the decision to conceal the still-unidentified program from Congress deepened the mystery surrounding it, suggesting that the Bush administration had put a high priority on the program and its secrecy.
Mr. Panetta, who ended the program when he first learned of its existence from subordinates on June 23, briefed the two intelligence committees about it in separate closed sessions the next day.
'Cept neither the liberal blogosphere nor Liddy, Frum or Liz = "America."
Certainly not. Spluttering on blogs counts for fuckall.
Damned at Random: LarryElvis had beautiful eyes.
I'm probably biased, but I think I have two handsome kittehs.
you know john edwards was really onto it with the 2 americas theme.
GWPDA, I hope you get metric truckloads of $$$ for your Great War Public Digital Archive.
'Enkew. I'm really doing this application in lieu of hearing from any of the jobs for which I've applied. I think I would really like N_H endorsement because I'd like to think John Galbraith would be happy that all his work came to something.,
Certainly not. Spluttering on blogs counts for fuckall.
NTodd,שלו
It's a hobby; and keeps me off the streets.
But that's about all....
from sb's link:
"A typical street whore." "A bunch of ghetto thugs." "Ghetto street trash." "Wonder when she will get her first abortion."
These are a small selection of some of the racially-charged comments posted to the conservative 'Free Republic' blog Thursday, aimed at U.S. President Barack Obama's 11-year-old daughter Malia after she was photographed wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on the front.
Damn, I'd like to get my hands on one of these sons-of-bitches.
[i] Freepers in full meltdown over Obama girls.
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The Freepers consider the peace symbol ani-American. That, not the racism which I expect there, is what surprised me
on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney
That's the part that pisses me off. Cheney wasn't elected the goddamned President, but was issuing Presidential orders right and left.
Oh! Derbes! DaughterDerbes - iz all right? It's really ferocious here, I noes I haznt done but made fun of it, but for DaughterDerbes it's got to be very bad. Okay?
Likely looking at property in Costa Rica nearby where his butthole buddy Kenneth Lay has been hiding out since he 'died'.
does david brooks know?
whether a jury convicts or not is irrelevant, under our Treaty obligations we have no choice but to prosecute torturers, and if we don't the other 146 signatories to the Convention must.
"Freepers in full meltdown over Obama girls."
They marginalize themselves more every day...
the president does not have the authority to arrest US citizens on US soil and torture them into insanity in naval brigs. Yet ...
heh.
'Cept neither the liberal blogosphere nor Liddy, Frum or Liz = "America."
The ten million people who watched "John and Kate" announce their divorce were more than watch all cable news shows combined, from Fox to Maddow
Sand Serpents on Scifi Saturday Night!
Could be a hot one!
you know john edwards was really onto it with the 2 americas theme.
notaboomer, golden age o fraud
True, but it dates back at least to the Kerner Commision of 1967.
on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney
That's the part that pisses me off. Cheney wasn't elected the goddamned President, but was issuing Presidential orders right and left.
MP | 07.11.09 - 6:09 pm |
I suspect when it was time for the Deciderer-in-Chief to decide, Cheney always had his choice at the top of the list of options. That way Chimpy never had to count past the number one.
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Damn, I'd like to get my hands on one of these sons-of-bitches.
I would hold your coat and fend off the cops.
Sallyh: Sand Serpents on Scifi Saturday Night!
Could be a hot one!
As far as I know, Catherine is OK. She is done next week with Phoenix. The Teach For America work has been extremely demanding. She actually likes the heat, and is reasonably OK with it from her time in DC and Baltimore last summer, and the UA dorms are, I think, air-conditioned.
She's pretty smart, GWPDA; I think she'll figure out how to stay safe in that wild heat.
We're due to drive my late mother's Honda from Baltimore to New Orleans in ten days or so.
It's a hobby; and keeps me off the streets.
Well, you are dangerous. Imagine if you stood on a street corner, philosophizin' and rhetorizin'...
... aimed at U.S. President Barack Obama's 11-year-old daughter Malia after she was photographed wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on the front.
You know, I went shopping in the mall today. At the department stores -- Dillard's and Macy's -- the peace sign is **everywhere** -- hey, I even bought a T-shirt covered in peace signs. It's a fashion thing. The '70s are in, there are muumuus everywhere, indian print, peace signs, you name it.
Leave it to a bunch of fetid old white guys to not know what the young kids are wearing today and use it to flog their hatred.
Mrs. Scooter Guy was wearing a kimono, yesterday. And fuck-me boots.
whether a jury convicts or not is irrelevant, under our Treaty obligations we have no choice but to prosecute torturers, and if we don't the other 146 signatories to the Convention must.
some guy: adjunct
Like I say, when we get around to prosecuting the "teachers" at the School of the Americas, let me know, will ya?
or even these guys (in the picture)
Apparently these dogs won't feed themselves. Later.
Well, you are dangerous. Imagine if you stood on a street corner, philosophizin' and rhetorizin'...
NTodd,
I used to pass those people on the Drag in Austin.
Now I are one.
Damn, I'd like to get my hands on one of these sons-of-bitches.
If u doez, let me givz u a bit of "powder" first.
They really need to lay the fuck off the little girlz.
That's the part that pisses me off. Cheney wasn't elected the goddamned President, but was issuing Presidential orders right and left.
Sarah Palin is SO jealous....
Leave it to a bunch of fetid old white guys to not know what the young kids are wearing today and use it to flog their hatred.
Southern Beale
DING DING DING DING.
the peace sign is **everywhere**
oh yes, many of the 30something soccer momz in my suburban hellhole sport the peace sign as they emerge from their escalades to watch amber's game.
She's pretty smart, GWPDA; I think she'll figure out how to stay safe in that wild heat.
There's really only one way.
~~~splash~~~~
you know john edwards was really onto it with the 2 americas theme.
notaboomer, golden age o fraud
True, but it dates back at least to the Kerner Commision of 1967.
Adam Hominem
And earlier still, Michael Harrington's 'The Other America'.
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I don't get it. The Vice President doesn't have the authority to order the CIA to do jack shit. He's not the fucking President, and the President can't delegate that authority to him unilaterally.
MP |
Looks like he did anyway.
wasn't it nice that daniel schorr became village palz with robert mcnamara?
"Leave Sarah Palin's kids alo-o-one!"
"Oh, wait: Obama's daughters? Go For it!"
Freakin' morons.
They really need to lay the fuck off the little girlz.
Hecate
She's 11 years old. My god.
She isn't out drinking and being pictured in a drunken heap on the barroom floor.
They really need to lay the fuck off the little girlz.
Hecate
She's 11 years old. My god.
She isn't out drinking and being pictured in a drunken heap on the barroom floor.
pie
Rush showed them the way...
She isn't out drinking and being pictured in a drunken heap on the barroom floor.
pie
Neither was Chelsea. That never stopped them.
Tell me your top 10 favorite Ghost Whisperer episodes.
And a racist shall lead them:
Young Republicans choose Audra Shay to be their leader. She was under fire recently after racist comments she had made on Facebook and other sites were revealed.
Why doesn't Obama to the unconventional, mavericky thing and resign, what with all the attacks on his kids?
You better not be shooting porn over there, Atrios.
Shorter Wingnut:
9 year old Chelsea is a dog.
Lay off those 19 year old Bush twins for drinking with fake IDs. They are young adults and should be left alone
Obama's 9 and 11 year old daughters are ghetto ho's.
Ah, that socialist hellhole.
I hope you brought lots of liquor, at prices a fraction of those sold through the state booze shop.
Some days I really do feel like teh Power Auntie.
Anybody comes under my eye attacking Little Gurls - I have ways of making sure they don't do it again. Hecate isn't really the only one who noes how to spell.
~~~~splash~~~~
wiley | 07.11.09 - 6:18 pm
Cripes, Atrios leaves the country and his cats get on the computer!
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Just bought "The Family."
I am afraid to read it.
Hate is a two-edged sword.
Just sayin'.
Time to start the evening meal. Behave and don't feed the who-know-what.
Know what's weird?
Not having to grab my helmet before heading out the door.
Not having to grab my helmet before heading out the door.
I'm inside and I've been grabbing my helmet all day.
I mean, for 43 days, I had to bring that helmet in almost every time.
Not having to grab my helmet before heading out the door.
Jeffraham, public option |
Come to PA, helmets optional.
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I'm inside and I've been grabbing my helmet all day.
I find this 110% believable!
Young Republicans choose Audra Shay to be their leader. She was under fire recently after racist comments she had made on Facebook and other sites were revealed.
Southern Beale | Homepage | 07.11.09 - 6:21 pm | #
But she's a girl! So, no matter what she says, Rethug boys will vote for her. Because they know that boobs are more important than brains. Just ask Sarah!
The Freeper moderators pulled the Malia thread as inappropriate (after it made the news, so now, in a thread discussing the fact that the original thread was pulled, we get more of the same:
They would never say anything derogatory about the Bush, Plain or any other Republican’s child. I missed some of the comments that were made but I can't say I disagree with many of them.
Realize, this 11 year old grew up, since day one, going to Wright's church every week. That means she heard approximately 520 of his sermons if not more. She is not a baby, not a toddler and many 11 year olds have done things most adults would never do.
The shirt and the entire outfit, shorts, the wild hair, the black nail polish were all inappropriate for the event. Completely inappropriate and disrespectful to our country and citizens. They are supposed to represent us, WE THE PEOPLE. I don't think they did. Who was that man walking with her and I doubt one person of either party could honestly say he didn't look like a dumpster diver and he was not a child so he's fair game in my opinion.
Obviously, they knew this was a statement, and it was done deliberately. So it's fair game for the other side but we have to bow down and play nice all the time. At what age do they become fair game? 18? I will abide by the rules of FR because I respect the owner and the site, but I can't say that I agree.
I didn't see this post.........(”In addition, the thread includes a picture of Michelle Obama speaking to her daughter with the caption, “To Entertain Her Daughter, Michelle Obama Likes to Make Monkey Sounds.”) but come on, that is funny I don't care who you are. If you saw the photo, it's funny and I don't care if it was Lara Bush making the same face at Jenna, it would still be a funny caption because that was what it looked like.
Why doesn't Obama to the unconventional, mavericky thing and resign, what with all the attacks on his kids?
NTodd,שלו
Then he could really lead America!
Young Republicans choose Audra Shay to be their leader. She was under fire recently after racist comments she had made on Facebook and other sites were revealed.
Southern Beale
I'd guess most Republican support boils down, in the end, to either selfishness and greed, or racism.
Remember what happened when the Civil Rights act of 1964 passed? The Democrats lost millions and millions of votes, and not just in the South.
We're due to drive my late mother's Honda from Baltimore to New Orleans in ten days or so.
I haz guest room just south of
DC
Agent Orange: Come to PA, helmets optional.
Wouldn't matter to me. I won't even start the frickin' thang until the helmet is donned and secured.
Like I told the lady at Pilot today when she asked if I was going home before opening the 2/$2 Busch: "Hey, it's dangerous enough on two wheels sober."
They are supposed to represent us, WE THE PEOPLE.
Damned at Random
Which they can never do, since they are what?
I haz guest room just south of
DC
Great. Can I send you grand faux son to you? I keed. He's 16 years-old today. That means I have to deal with his egg and her family. Lord.
I need to stop going to Free Republic - it's like a porn addiction
Remember what happened when the Civil Rights act of 1964 passed? The Democrats lost millions and millions of votes, and not just in the South.
Adam Hominem
Maybe it's an urban legend, but LBJ allegedly said that the vote was going to give the South to the Republicans for a generation.
Turned out to be more like forty-two years, and counting...
Just bought "The Family."
I am afraid to read it.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Matter of perspective. Having lived in East Texas for half my life, it sounds like business as usual to me. Having seen American history since Kennedy, I just assumed such people were in charge.
And the recent Sandford/Ensign scandals make 'em seem more like bad parodies of the Keystone Cops than malevolent conspiratorial forces manipulating world affairs a la a Dan Brown novel.
Cue sppoky theremin music:
Rapamycin, a compound originally found in Easter Island's soil has recently been proven to extend the lives of mice.
When tested on mice that had already reached middle age, the subjects treated with rapamycin increased their lifespan by 28-38 percent.
Scientists are identifying these studies as the most promising drug-induced technique for increasing longevity, which is generally possible only via genetic manipulation or limiting caloric intake.
Obama's 9 and 11 year old daughters are ghetto ho's.
A local conservative blogger ran a picture of Michelle Obama working in the White House vegetable garden and captioned it: "two garden ho's."
They just cannot STAND having a black family in the white house. It's just too much for them.z
Ah cripes, anyone else have that ad for the 2010 Mustang?
I want one.
Thanks, O Hecate, but we need to make something like 700 miles per diem.
And the way I drive, we will.
Turned out to be more like forty-two years, and counting...
David Derbes, optimistic
I believe he did say it, and as you say, he was an optimist.
Obama's 9 and 11 year old daughters are ghetto ho's.
Have you ever heard the expression "don't make a black woman take of her earrings"? I've got one earring off.
We're due to drive my late mother's Honda from Baltimore to New Orleans in ten days or so.
The epic drive from Texas to Brooklyn begins soon!
Scientists are identifying these studies as the most promising drug-induced technique for increasing longevity, which is generally possible only via genetic manipulation or limiting caloric intake.
Deputy Dawg
We can cure cancer in mice too.
I wouldn't get too excited.
Ah cripes, anyone else have that ad for the 2010 Mustang?
Hee - I want a Magnum. With a Hemi. I noes, it's wrong. WANT.
Have you ever heard the expression "don't make a black woman take of her earrings"?
I fucking love you.
The longest living animal is the Galapagos turtle, no?
people need to quit pretending 8 figure earning Clear Channel and Fox hosts have their best interests in mind
Have you ever heard the expression "don't make a black woman take of her earrings"? I've got one earring off.
Monica_A: Giggity!
And I'll be right next to you, with my eyebrow arched to the back of my head.
GWPDA -- I haz a hemi! And it's a NEW hemi, at that!
And, after 43 days in the shop... it RUNS!
Have you ever heard the expression "don't make a black woman take of her earrings"? I've got one earring off.
Monica_A: Giggity!
They are horrible, horrible people. They are not worth your time of day.
Take comfort that those girls live in the White House, and their racist detractors in filthy basements.
I just went into a super cool clothing store and after dealing with the super cool 23 year old dude working there I am now completely depressed about my squareness and lack of style.
Obama's 9 and 11 year old daughters are ghetto ho's.
Geezus, how disgusting.
This white girl is ready to remove HER earrings, too.
I noes, it's wrong. WANT.
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace
Just how I feel!
their racist detractors in filthy basements.
Adam Hominem
Can't even make the payments on their trailers.
The epic drive from Texas to Brooklyn begins soon!
Rmj
Abandoning Texas when it's only 104 degrees in the shade?
Have you ever heard the expression "don't make a black woman take of her earrings"? I've got one earring off.
So, I'm holding BillyB's coat and ur earring and holding off teh cops. NOW!
16 months paid parental leave (80% salary) per child, split between parents mostly how they want.
I wonder how they can afford to do all that without bankrupting the country.
You can pick at Obama all you want. He chose to run for POTUS. The kids are off-limits. They had the fortune of being born to loving parents.
Abandoning Texas when it's only 104 degrees in the shade?
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
I grow soft in my old age.
Worse, I'm goin' to "Damned Yankee" Land. The things one does for one's children.
A local conservative blogger ran a picture of Michelle Obama working in the White House vegetable garden and captioned it: "two garden ho's."
They just cannot STAND having a black family in the white house. It's just too much for them.z
Southern Beale
Michelle Obama is the kind of woman they secretly desire.
Beautiful, smart and classy.
You know, the type of lady who wouldn't give them the time of day.
owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've just come in and have been reading through the thread. Talk about sickening.
This racist bull shit actually makes me stomach hurt.
Naw. I think they're VERY afraid of intelligent women, the lot of them.
Michelle Obama working in the White House vegetable garden
She looked like a happy slave.
tortured owls
Worse, I'm goin' to "Damned Yankee" Land. The things one does for one's children.
Rmj, Love Stolen Theologist
I recently read Confederates In The Attic. I'm a little behind in my reading.
Anyway, my favorite comment in the book was by a black woman, watching a bunch of would-be Johnny Rebs re-enact a battle in the Civil War. She told a reporter "they can re-enact all they want. Just so they don't forget who won".
So there.
All you white ladies looking to fight along with me:
put on some sneakers for traction and Vaseline on your faces to prevent scratches. We battle to the last.
Naw. I think they're VERY afraid of intelligent women, the lot of them.
Jeffraham, public option |
Yes, they are.
Damn, I'd like to get my hands on one of these sons-of-bitches.
billy b
May I come along and bring my pruning shears????
I just went into a super cool clothing store and after dealing with the super cool 23 year old dude working there I am now completely depressed about my squareness and lack of style.
That's why I buy my T-shirts, jeans, and tennies an WallyWorld.
That, and I can afford it there...
Worse, I'm goin' to "Damned Yankee" Land. The things one does for one's children.
Rmj, Love Stolen Theologist | 07.11.09 - 6:34 pm | #
Actually, you're not. We used to have our own (National League) baseball team, until Robert Moses tried to move them to Queens.
...Vaseline on your faces to prevent scratches. ...
Wow great tip. I'd never thought of that.
I'm there and I've been kickboxing for six years. They don't want to test my roundhouse.
That's why I buy my T-shirts, jeans, and tennies an WallyWorld.
A freind of mine at work calls WalMart WallyWorld, too.
Friend, not freind.
Hecate, your G/son stories are so precious, thank you.
Also. Let me say for the record, that I am not Atrios' cat...
Went to a Buddhist meeting last night; they happen once a month, and are called "Kosen-Rufu Gongyo." Which means, our monthly prayers for world peace. My friend Dennis brought his kids, and little Tristen, who is 2, wandered away from them, across the hall filled with about 200 people, waving bye-bye randomly and smiling to us as he wandered out into the lobby. I was struck by how perfectly free and careless he seemed...
: )
uh yes. 3 people told me that.
mimi | Homepage | 07.11.09 - 5:39 pm | #
Hmmm.
1. The alcohol you buy in Sweden is not rationed, I promise you. You buy it at state owned liquor outlets, that distribute alcohol (wine, spirits, strong beer) for hundreds of private importers and suppliers.
2. When you bring alcoholic beverages into the country, years ago there was a limit to how much you could bring. Now that Sweden is part of the EU, you can bring amounts that would lay waste to a clan of Scotsmen.
Your friends are either drunk on Swedish liquor, clueless, or having fun at your expense.
Alcohol rationing in Sweden? That was during the Brattsystemet and the motbok, which ended in 1955.
SteinL and Andrew Dalke are correct on the alcohol situation in Sweden.
"Compulsory rationing
Following the World War 2, compulsory rationing was introduced throughout Sweden. The ration involved individual checks, registration and rationing. Only those who conducted themselves in a proper manner would receive a ration book. It was abolished in 1955 when the 41 local Systembolaget companies were merged to form a single, national one. The age at which people can buy alcohol was lowered in 1969, from 21 to 20, in conjunction with a lowering in the age in majority.
EU membership
Sweden joins the EU in 1995. All of the monopolies in the alcohol sector were wound up with the exception of Systembolaget’s retail monopoly. The European Court rules that Systembolaget’s retail monopoly is compatible with EU law (the Franzén ruling).
In 2004 the Swedish exemption with regard to personal import quotas is abolished and the EU’s indicative values for private consumption come fully into force.
In 2006, the European Court rules that to avoid paying alcohol taxes in their own country, individuals must personally transport in alcohol from other countries (the Joustra ruling). Following year, another ruling of the European Court ruled that Sweden’s ban on remote sales of alcohol contravened EU law, which means that alcohol can be ordered from other countries, e.g. online, but that Swedish alcohol taxes will still be payable (the Rosengren ruling)."[1]
[1] http://www.systembolaget.se/
Appl...getshistory.htm
The name of the state monopoly that is selling liquor is "Systembolaget"
The tax rate on on Vodka is 501,41 swedish crowns per liter of pure alcohol. An example: One bottle with 0,7 liter of 40% vodka is taxed by 0,7x0,40x501,41 =140,1 swedish crowns. VAT (moms in Swedish) in Sweden is 25%. The sum of all taxes for one vodka ends up at 140,1x1,25= 175 skr. With the current weak swedish krona thats 175 / 8.2= 21,3 US dollars of effective alcohol tax for one bottle of vodka. The blood alcohol limit for driving is 0.2 %.
I'm surprised you went to Sweden/Norway/Finland or other northern socialist hell-hole. Most progressives prefer very hot, humid, and disease infested socialist hell-holes where the chance of getting Ebola is as good as the chance of getting a good meal, and where the insurgents run around with copies of Mao's little book and t-shirts saying Pol Pot was just ahead of his time.
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