I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
aha
SCHIP-
Does Bush want to kill children before or after they go to Iraq? Why both of course!
Damn you spinoza. Just to hell and back.
buckeye- yup, but not for long. sis is on vacation (much deserved) in wine country, and i'm taking care of the nephew. he's wearing me out with demands for elmo and suchlike, but i did get a chance to see/do an ex last night, so there's that. i go home tuesday.
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 5:56 pm
northern Ohio and Southern Ohio are two different animals. I lived in suburan Cleveland (painesville) in the 1980's. If I have to stay in Ohio, I'd go back to Cleveland. I miss Fall on the Lake.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 09.29.07 - 6:01 pm
Diggin' Sittin on Top of the World...
"...it pains me to go against my own personal president..." --O. Hatch (re: vote on SCHIP)
My own personal president?
Is that like a "personal savior?"
WTF?
It's amazing how Determined Little Boots seems to be these days to do in his own fucking party. He'd better be careful or else they will bust a cap in his ass.
I've seen him 4 times, better each time...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
The first time I him was in 1975 on the Rolling Thunder tour.
Seen him many times since, many great, a few awful.
With some artists you're willing to take a risk because the potential payoff on a good night is so powerful and moving.
All happy families resemble one another, each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
Leo Tolstoy
goodnight moonbats, haloscan is being a wanker, catch you all tomorrow!
This week’s Democratic Radio Address will be delivered by a 12-year-old boy named Graeme Frost.
Heck when I was just a little older I was out campaigning against Republicans.
atrios, don't be silly. that schip expense would cost almost a week and a half of what we spend on the war. clearly healthy american children are willing to sacrifice themselves for our valiant efforts there.
The thought that his veto might hold makes me want to spit nails. Hopefully, congress will override.
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:09 pm | #
Dylan doesn't rest on his laurels, which is really cool....
Why does Chimpy hate kids?
He'd better be careful or else they will bust a cap in his ass.
blerb | 09.29.07 - 6:09 pm | #
From your mouth to some big invisible person in the sky's ear!
Heh. Even Orrin Fucking Hatch voted for it!
"...it pains me to go against my own personal president..." --O. Hatch
That's screwed up in so many ways where do you even begin?....
Brian Lamb is interviewing the dead Harold Stassen on cspan2. I am sure there is nothing more important. Harold Stassen is wearing a wig I think he borrowed from Ted Koppel.
Notre Dame is at 0-5.
Three posts my ass....
"...it pains me to go against my own personal president..." --O. Hatch (re: vote on SCHIP)
Jumpin' Jesus that man gets dumber with each passing day.
I was in junior high when Nixon ran against McGovern.
I used to rip off Nixon stickers and stick them on the toilets.
Well, gonna curl up with the better half for an old movie or something.
Take care, all.
We don't object to pledging to our country, but we do object to pledging to a religion," said Ashley Guesman, 17, a protest organizer.
the silver lining to this hell of the last 7 years is that bush has made lots and lots of winger stuff totally unfashionable and uncool with the young. combine that with the threat of the draft, and i have high hopes that the Kidz will come up to be the next progressive political wave and have a real impact on politics. not all of today's youth are so activist, but i have read quite a few stories like this recently. it gives me heart.
Notre Dame is at 0-5.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
The US is 11 - 2
"voluntary greenhouse emission reductions"
Hey Chimpy, isn't that exactly the program we have now? Douchebag.
I saw an AP article on that high school in Boulder, the reporter referred to the "original text" of the Pledge containing the words "under God".
"...not all of today's youth are so activist, but i have read quite a few stories like this recently. it gives me heart.
chicago dyke"
chicago dyke:
I read somewhere that overwhelmingly the young kinds are going over to the Dems. It is a very, very good sign.
Back later....
"...the reporter referred to the "original text" of the Pledge containing the words "under God".
Jim
Where do they get these idjits? Do they teach anything in school anymore?
"Under God" was added on to the pledge, sponsored by the Knights of Columbus 53 years ago.
I do love telling the Goopers that a Socialist wrote the original pledge to the flag.
"voluntary greenhouse emission reductions"
which haven't worked for the several decades we've been "trying" them.
i was pleased that i actually heard someone make that point on npr the other day, melior. he said something like "no one would propose voluntary speed limits." it's so rare that republican talking points are challenged in the SCLM. although, come to think of it, it may have been on the BBC program and not the house of npr show.
Way cool! A classmate and fellow lacrosse team member of my daughter's in high school.
I esp. liked this comment:
I don't know why Mankiw would try to be political and distortful about healthcare.
How fucking stupid can you be?
he said something like "no one would propose voluntary speed limits."
I love it! I'm stealing it. Thanx chidyke.
"The Pledge"
you'd think it was some official thing.
Bush took a pledge.
Pay me $400,000 and I will too.
"voluntary greenhouse emission reductions"
Why not voluntary taxes?
You gotta have heart.
it pains me to disagree with my own personal president, Enrico Malatesta, but it's rare that I have to do so.
northern Ohio and Southern Ohio are two different animals. I lived in suburan Cleveland (painesville) in the 1980's. If I have to stay in Ohio, I'd go back to Cleveland. I miss Fall on the Lake.
I grew up in Southern Ohio (Athens) and live in Northern Ohio now (Eastlake). I couldn't agree more that there is a huge difference between the two. Much of it goes way, way, back to the early settlement of the state. Northern Ohio was settled by the Connecticut Land Company who called the area the Western Reserve (hence Case Western Reserve University) while the Southern parts of the state was settled by Virginians who brought their southern ways with them.
The tension between Northern Ohio and Southern Ohio was probably best exhibited during the Civil War when southern sympathizers in the counties (called "Copperheads") personified by such colorful figures like Clement Valandingham battled with the pro-abolitionists in the North. Valandingham wound up getting tossed in prison for the duration of the war.
You can see the signs of the division today. What other state can you think of that will send a complete conservative ho-bag like Jean Schmidt to congress at the same time that is sends progressives like Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones?
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 6:18 pm | #
"Under God" was added on to the pledge, sponsored by the Knights of Columbus 53 years ago.
Knights of Columbus....otherwise known as the Catholic chapter of the He Man Woman Haters Club.
Speaking of Nice Polite Republicans, they had a story today about Ithaca, NY which was so cool it almost made me want to move there.
They are an official city of refuge for authors of banned books. They offer them a half-salary stipend, housing assistance, etc. Damn, that's awesome.
Too bad it's so cold up there.
"The Pledge"
you'd think it was some official thing.
apparently the Colorado lege mandates that all public school students be given an "opportunity" to say Teh Pledge every day, and that "opportunity" must be led by a faculty or admin member.
That Mankiw posted that on his semi-professional blog is a little unethical, methinks. Or he's not quite as smart as he's supposed to be.
even when young, i found the daily pledge a little creepy and authoritarian. proving your patriotism is something you do, demonstrate with your actions- saying the words proves nothing, as today's republicans so clearly demonstrate.
and i'm not really sure what value there is teaching kids to recite a pledge that can't possibly mean anything to them when they're young. but in my elementary school, everyone had to, even the kindergarteners.
Knights of Columbus....otherwise known as the Catholic chapter of the He Man Woman Haters Club.
Terry C -
Henry Hyde and David Schippler (or whatever his name was--Clenimpeachment guy) proud wearers of funny hats.
and i'm not really sure what value there is teaching kids to recite a pledge that can't possibly mean anything to them when they're young. but in my elementary school, everyone had to, even the kindergarteners.
chicago dyke
We did it all through grade school, but they pretty much gave up after that
Here was the alternate pledge they proposed:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, part of one planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all."
Gummo | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:09 pm | #
Dylan doesn't rest on his laurels, which is really cool....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 09.29.07 - 6:09 pm | #
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He does, however, rip off dead Civil War poets and old blues guys.
I have a PhD. This means the only exams I need ever take, for the rest of my life involve either driving or blood.
From the local paper:
History of allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance has a long history that includes multiple changes, school-house traditions and state laws:
In 1892, the Pledge of Allegiance was written for the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America: "I pledge allegiance to my flag, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1923, the words "my flag" were replaced by "the flag of the United States" because leaders thought some foreign-born people might perceive the "flag" mentioned in the pledge to be the flag of their home country. A year later, the words "of America" were added after "United States."
In 1945, the Pledge of Allegiance was adopted as the pledge's official name.
In 1954, Congress passed a law adding the words "under God" after "one nation."
Source: U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, www.usflag.org and Boulder Valley School District.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, part of one planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all."
Wingnuts would clamor for flag-burning.
I remember the kid who thought Richard Stand was an American patriot because he pledged to him every day.
"...and to the republic, for Richard Stand..."
it's a damn fine feeling to know all such tests are behind you, GW. damn fine indeed.
One of my Grandpas was a grand poobah or whatever it's called in the KoC. He used to march in their parades, and he had a ceremonial sword.
Some traditions are steamrolled by the future.
"...and to the republic, for Richard Stand..."
Shaw Kenawe
any Catholics in the audience tonight?
Harry Mary, full of grapes...
(Two different kids)
i missed the sweet tea discussion?
that sucks.
"...and to the republic, for Richard Stand..."
Shaw Kenawe
"....I fed the pigeons to the flag."
They are an official city of refuge for authors of banned books. They offer them a half-salary stipend, housing assistance, etc. Damn, that's awesome.
Tchure.
Ghastly town. There is no housing, it's either icy as hell or muggy and hot beyond imagining, the only work available is associated with Cornell, which pays barely over poverty level and everything you buy there, you have to buy retail.
So....
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The good news is that Bush and his greedy little pals are seeing to it that an entire generation of working-class children will grow up to hate their stinking heartless Republican guts.
One of my Grandpas was a grand poobah or whatever it's called in the KoC. He used to march in their parades, and he had a ceremonial sword.
my grandpa was a shriner, and grandma was a high princess.
i have old 8mm silent movies of him in a parade dressed as a harem girl on a minibike.
"...and to the republic, for Richard Stand..."
Shaw Kenawe
any Catholics in the audience tonight?
Harry Mary, full of grapes...
(Two different kids)
Jim
Kid in the first grade drew a Christmas scene with a small fat guy sitting near Mary and Joseph. Teacher asks who the fat guy is. Kid says "That Round John Virgin."
it's a damn fine feeling to know all such tests are behind you, GW. damn fine indeed.
chicago dyke
It's sustained me thru much tribulation. And finally, thru my rejection of being 'evaluated' by a 38 year old corporate technoninny.
"My own personal president"
Depeche Mode?
any Catholics in the audience tonight?
Harry Mary, full of grapes...
From the Baltimore Catechism:
God is a soup bean.
For altar boys during the latin mass:
What is God's phone number?
Ecun spiri tu tuo.
Yikes GWPDA, okay Ithaca sounds awful. But it sounds like there are some cool peeps there.
And, btw, do I want to buy a pair of purple suede snow boots, in case I end up studying in Winnipeg?
orin hatch is full of schip.
(surely i owe someone a coke for that, but i'm too lazy to read up thread.)
The Phillies are vindicating our host's lack of faith.
"...stand beside her, and guide her, through the night with a light from a bulb..."
Yikes GWPDA, okay Ithaca sounds awful. But it sounds like there are some cool peeps there.
melior, pinkt vi menschen | 09.29.07 - 6:31 pm | #
My god, she lives in Phoenix - an endless strip mall surrounded by faux Tuscan villas - los angeles without the sea or ethnic diversity.
chi dyke:
As I've said many times, from an early age, I have always found the "In Your Face, We're Better Than Everyone Else" American brand of "patriotism" embarrassing.
it's a damn fine feeling to know all such tests are behind you, GW. damn fine indeed. - chicago dyke
Fellow student at Cal State Hayward thought academia could be improved by adding the rank of Wizard. To become a Wizard, one attained Doctorates in all available fields of study. The Wizardry conferring ceremony involved the Wizard coming out on stage wearing all the robes, stoles and bonnets for the degrees they had attained. Then to the stains of "The Stripper" the awardee peels them off one by one, after which every instructor he/she ever took a class from has to come has to kiss the awardee's bare ass.
More news from Boulder High:
It's no official holiday, but a number of students at Boulder High School will be celebrating "Free Mason" day today. Mason Lacy, a 17-year-old senior and the impromptu holiday's namesake, will not be in attendance.... for his five-day suspension from school for attempting to streak naked across the football field during the annual Boulder High-Fairview game last week.
Lacy received a ticket for indecent exposure Sept. 20 after he attempted to sprint across the field wearing only racing flats and some purple body paint. His plan was foiled by security guards, who caught him hopping over the field's fence and held him until police arrived.
"I didn't think anyone would be able to catch me, or want to grab onto a naked person," Lacy said. "They proved me wrong." ...Lacy was told that he may have to register as a sex offender.
My god, she lives in Phoenix - an endless strip mall surrounded by faux Tuscan villas - los angeles without the sea or ethnic diversity.
rootless2
Oh? I do? I'd hardly recognise it from your description.
Why grandfather told me was really high up in the K of C.
I asked him if he knew what the 11 herbs and spices were.
My god, she lives in Phoenix - an endless strip mall surrounded by faux Tuscan villas - los angeles without the sea or ethnic diversity.
rootless2
Yeah, but I live in Texas. Glass houses, etc.
My Dad was a member of the Knights of Columbus and he most certainly did not hate women.
I asked him if he knew what the 11 herbs and spices were.
Culture of TrÜth
Fourteen Hail Marys for you, young blasphemer.
I don't know that I've ever seen a 'faux Tuscan villa' in Phoenix. Maybe you're thinking of "Chandler"? Or possibly one of the lovely new developments near Florence?
In the '72 election, the Nixon people had a bumpertsticker that read "Nixon Now".
It was ridiculously easy to change this to read "Nixon No".
i don't think suede and snow mix well, GW. but buy the boots! purple boots are the bomb.
Some traditions are steamrolled by the future.
melior, pinkt vi menschen | 09.29.07 - 6:27 pm | #
there's an ad campaign in my area, with billboards and whatnot, all proclaiming how cool it is to be part of some organization like the KoC (i think these are mason ads, i can't recall). they show all these younger people acting like they're really enthused to join. i suspect a lot of the organizations are just going to disappear in the near future. judging from some of the magazines my dad gets from these groups, there isn't a person under 40 in them.
Mother to her young child: What did you do in Sunday school today?
Child: We learned a song about a cross-eyed bear named Gladly.
Mother: What?
Child: Yes, Gladly the cross I'd bear.
ithaca is a beautiful little town, all shale and waterfalls into lake cayuga.
or at least, it was last time i was there. 20 years? there's a really cool state park - name starts with a 't' - where we used to camp.
my mother once saw a tornado touch ground in ithaca. must have been @ 1952. a rare occurance.
Well, it's LLBean snow-resistent suede, so one must trust they know their business. Certainly purple boots would do a lot for being in Winnipeg in the winter.
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Oh? I do? I'd hardly recognise it from your description.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:35 pm | #
Your mileage, may vary.
Never found Phoenix too appealing, feel free to sue me.
Re Ithaca: I recommend Richard Farina's 60's gem, Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me. Although I'm sure it has not aged perfectly.
"I didn't think anyone would be able to catch me, or want to grab onto a naked person," Lacy said. "They proved me wrong." ...Lacy was told that he may have to register as a sex offender.
Now this, my friends, is utter stupidity at its most Jeebusite fucktarded.
I don't know that I've ever seen a 'faux Tuscan villa' in Phoenix. Maybe you're thinking of "Chandler"? Or possibly one of the lovely new developments near Florence?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:36 pm | #
Probly scottsdale. Chandler is pretty horrible too, though.
my mother once saw a tornado touch ground in ithaca. must have been @ 1952. a rare occurance.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
There is no horizon to be found in Ithaca. Narrow shouldered little Appalachian valley, the first snowfall as often in the middle of September and the last the middle of May. Company town - live there long enough and you understand entirely why Marcus and Narcissa Whitman beat it out for Oregon.
He showed teh world his thingie!
Probly scottsdale. Chandler is pretty horrible too, though.
rootless2
Yah. A little bit as tho one had claimed that Fullerton represented the fundamental nature of oh, La Jolla....
Fucking useless NBC evening news. Just did a report in Baghdad with Petraeus, walking around one of his Potemkin markets. They go on to say police are finding less bodies, but attachs are still coming from AG. Even got in some licks on Iran being the sponsor. Rove would be proud.
Yeah, but I live in Texas. Glass houses, etc.
melior, pinkt vi menschen | 09.29.07 - 6:35 pm | #
Texas can be hell or not-so-bad, depending on which part.
Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me
The Doors covered it.
Never found Phoenix too appealing, feel free to sue me.
She went after the U.S military and won.
I'd watch it, if I were you.
There is no horizon to be found in Ithaca. Narrow shouldered little Appalachian valley, the first snowfall as often in the middle of September and the last the middle of May.
dad went to cornell, my oldest brother was born there. i grew up in rochester and lived in dansville for some time - ithaca was intellectual paradise. and i don't recall september snow too often - beautiful autumns in the finger lakes.
i miss it.
Re-HICA!
I love Caturday.
Target has jeans! For cheep!
Who knew?
However, the bastids stopped stocking Mary B.'s biscuits. Which means I have to go to Kroger for those. Well, I needed apple butter, anyway.
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I don't watch the MSM anymore. What ho from Burma?
Austin is paradise.
Amarillo, not so much.
Bush Regime to heroes: Fuck you.
http://www.comcast.net/news/inde.../29/
775851.html
nix on nixon was the classic sticker operation...
Yah. A little bit as tho one had claimed that Fullerton represented the fundamental nature of oh, La Jolla....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 6:41 pm | #
Fundamental nature is not something I claim to be revealing very often. But I La Jolla and Fullerton do share quite a bit of the same satanic aura.
pie: She went after the U.S military and won.
I'd watch it, if I were you.
What? Hollywood has bought the rights to GWPDA's story? I wanna watch it!
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i once went fishing in a pond on a golf course in ithaca, and caught a duck.
this, like the tornado tale, is true. ithaca reminds me of the movie "big fish"
Satanic aura? We're talking Orange County here...
Oh!
On my way out, I found out my subwoofer fan neighbors are gone. GONE. The owners of the condo sold it out from unner 'em.
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Afternoon, rational people.
Ithaca had a kick-ass Thai restaurant when we were ther looking at Cornell.
chidyke,
I think that's the Masons; they're making a serious attempt to recruit new, younger members.
.Lacy was told that he may have to register as a sex offender.
I'm having one of my Canada moments....
(and gee, Tanya had just paid for cable Innertubes WiFi to my domain)
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In the '72 election, the Nixon people had a bumpertsticker that read "Nixon Now".
It was ridiculously easy to change this to read "Nixon No".
Apprentice to Darth Holden
"They can't lick OUR Dick!"
"go to the emergency room is the correct answer"-43
Did y'all gnaw on mah kitteh while I was out and about?
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It was ridiculously easy to change this to read "Nixon No".
Heh.
lived in tucson for a while, we used to drive to phoenix to get out of the heat. but that's only because my little 850 fiat wouldn't make it up mt lemon.
the things i remember most about phoenix are the weird rock formations in the zoo (pics of my oldest when she was a baby) and the constant road construction. they must have had a really big project going for the couple years we lived in az, it was like syracuse but hot.
austin is nice, but hardly a paradise, unless you have never left tx and have only places like houston to compare it with.
but attachs are still coming from AG.
gonzales is in al-qaeda? who knew? or maybe he just took a new job with them. he's certainly qualified when it comes to torture.
this, like the tornado tale, is true. ithaca reminds me of the movie "big fish"
I loved that movie.
Is this Ignore Jeffraham day, and no one invited me?
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I think that's the Masons; they're making a serious attempt to recruit new, younger members.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I have a handful of friends who I know are Masons.
I admire many of their famous past members, but it's incompatible with militant atheism. Suck it, King Solomon.
Ithaca is too cold, too Cornell dominated, and a long way from anywhere. It's pretty out there though.
But Phoenix is testimony to the failure of the automobile and the catastrophic effects of cheap asphalt. The setting is spectacular, but the conspicuous waste of water and the endless driving and mall construction is depressing.
Is this Ignore Jeffraham day, and no one invited me?
I have not gotten the secret email today. 
Is this Ignore Jeffraham day, and no one invited me?
party crasher.
If it's any consolation, JP, I see you.
Is this Ignore Jeffraham day, and no one invited me?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I apologize. Hi!!!!
ithaca is not cold.
bangor is cold.
mount pilliere (sp?) is cold.
buffalo is cold in multiple ways.
ithaca is crisp.
Jeff, gout under control?
I apologize. Hi!!!!
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz | 09.29.07 - 6:51 pm | #
love means never having to say you're sorry.
or hi.
"I don't think George Bush has injured our reputation in the world. I think he's destroyed it," Edwards, 54, said to cheers at the Plumbers and Pipefitters Local 189 hall.
...They shouldn't submit a single funding bill that doesn't have a timetable for withdrawal."
Yep.
"We don't need a surge in Baghdad, we need a surge in New Orleans," he said.
Yep indeed.
"You give the drug companies a seat at the table and they'll eat all the food," Edwards said.
Hell, yep.
I think that's the Masons; they're making a serious attempt to recruit new, younger members.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
am i the only one incapable of hearing the word "masons" without thinking of the phrase "loathsome spotty behinds?"
I admire many of their famous past members, but it's incompatible with militant atheism. Suck it, King Solomon.
melior, pinkt vi menschen | 09.29.07 - 6:49 pm | #
My problem with many atheists today is that they are superstitious. If you really believe "God" is a fictitious construct that represents human beings hopes and fears, then most religious doctrine should become pretty inoffensive.
The people who really have justification for militant hatred of religion are people who grew up in religious communities or with abusive religious caretakers.
If you really believe "God" is a fictitious construct that represents human beings hopes and fears, then most religious doctrine should become pretty inoffensive.
exactly the opposite, imho.
Joined the Masons myself. Lots of opportunity for good work. They run hospitals, for instance, which are free of charge for things like pedi orthopedics and major burns. They're a good humored bunch. And the rituals are fascinating.
And yes, the average age is awfully high...
The Jester: Jeff, gout under control?
Haven't had it in ages. I think I was doing a low-carb diet last time it struck (and that was a mild one... I drank water like a fool as soon as I felt the old, horrible twinge).
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ok, i'm out.
please hold the celebrating until i'm out of earshot. it's the humane thing to do.
Aw, geez. I left the Sweetwater 420s under the seat of the Kymco. brb
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My problem with many atheists today is that they are superstitious. If you really believe "God" is a fictitious construct that represents human beings hopes and fears, then most religious doctrine should become pretty inoffensive.
rootless2
I do not think that word 'superstitious' means what you think it means. The doctrine isn't what's offensive.
But you nailed it, I was confirmed Catholic. I was not molested by a priest, but that doesn't mean I respect them.
Atheism is not a religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. And bald is not a hair color.
If you really believe "God" is a fictitious construct that represents human beings hopes and fears, then most religious doctrine should become pretty inoffensive.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
I grew up in Southern Ohio (Athens) and live in Northern Ohio now (Eastlake). I couldn't agree more that there is a huge difference between the two. Much of it goes way, way, back to the early settlement of the state. Northern Ohio was settled by the Connecticut Land Company who called the area the Western Reserve (hence Case Western Reserve University) while the Southern parts of the state was settled by Virginians who brought their southern ways with them...
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 6:18 pm | #
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 6:20 pm |
Virginians, and Appalachians.
My mom's side of the family were among those who left Conn and settled in the Firelands. I apparently have oodles of relatives in the Toledo area.
About 16 years ago a Cincy station did a two-part report on how southern Ohio is thought of by Northern Ohio (Cleveland, really). I knew that the answer was: They don't think of them at all. Maybe during the battle of Ohio, but other than that ...
My dream World Series:
Cleveland Indians
vs.
Chicago Cubs
The people who really have justification for militant hatred of religion are people who grew up in religious communities or with abusive religious caretakers.
rootless2
couldn't disagree more. and i spent 8 years in a doctoral program divinity school, so i feel pretty qualified in both my atheism, and my disgust with most organized religions and their doctrines. religion has been a great force for evil throughout history (not that it's never done good, there are some bright spots).
Atheism is not a religion. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. And bald is not a hair color.
melior, pinkt vi menschen | 09.29.07 - 6:59 pm | #
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I don't think atheism is a religion, but it's interesting to read Thom Paine and the deists of the late 1700s who were convinced that they could reshape religion to mean what they wanted it to mean. And throughout history, religion has been used as justification for liberation as well as enslavement. I think it's unfortunate to assume that religion has to mean what the Dobsons of the world want it to mean and not what the Archbishop Romeros and Bishop Tutus and Reverend Kings wanted it to mean.
Phoenix - an endless strip mall surrounded by faux Tuscan villas - los angeles without the sea or ethnic diversity.
Kinda like Fresno, only hotter?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/3...&hp&
oref=slogin
these people are the enemy - next year's swift- boaters - no f'n around! these people need to be taken down - they are liars coprporatists and the people who gladly deny medical care to children - by proxy of course
If you really believe "God" is a fictitious construct that represents human beings hopes and fears, then most religious doctrine should become pretty inoffensive.
I have no problem with religious doctrine.
My problem is with people attempting to shove those religious doctrines down my throat.
A subject for a great poet would be God's boredom after the seventh day of creation.
MsPDX must be going nuts. Cal 31, Ore 24, 00:22 left. Ducks 1st and goal at the 5.
A subject for a great poet would be God's boredom after the seventh day of creation.
Watch this drive!
Ahhhhh! Sweetwater nectar!
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End zone fumble. Bear's ball.
The odd thing is, however that there is a historical precedent for at least part of the Southern half of the state of Ohio to have a strong progressive streak. Unfortunately I think it died when the mines gave out. The UMW fought like hell for the rights of workers back in the 20's and 30's but today's youth seems to have completely forgotten about that. I guess they'd be just as happy playing Nintendo than they would actually standing up for themselves.
couldn't disagree more. and i spent 8 years in a doctoral program divinity school, so i feel pretty qualified in both my atheism, and my disgust with most organized religions and their doctrines. religion has been a great force for evil throughout history (not that it's never done good, there are some bright spots).
chicago dyke | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 7:03 pm | #
Every doctrine has been a great force for evil in human history. I don't disagree with you about organized religions though. All human institutions seem to eventually be about mystification and dominance.
god is children's stories - oh there may be something but the hubris and presumption that we could understand anything beyond this universe is a fairy tale -
I believe in the easter bunny - I have tasted his goodies and experienced something akin to nirvana - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! chocolate!
I warned you people this morning.
I will bring the dinosaurs!
Do you want me to turn this planet around?
Because I will!
I guess I need to put up more pussy pixels.
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My problem is with people attempting to shove those religious doctrines down my throat.
Terry C - Bush Lovers R Nutz | 09.29.07 - 7:07 pm | #
So consider the profoundly secular ideology of the neo-cons or the "free market" economists - to me, these are as or maybe even more revolting as Dobson's Manson Family Focus and certainly more dangerous than the jehova witness's who knock on my door now and then.
rootless, there are just so many things that offend my modern mind about supernatural belief. belief that posits that women are inferior, that innocent nonbelievers and the unbaptized are damned for all eternity, that only some men, from some families, may be spokemen for the divine, etc.
i don't disagree with you about other ideologies being equally evil in terms of impact. but i am hard pressed to think of a competitor to organized religion and much doctrine, when it comes to keeping people oppressed, ignorant, afraid, and worst of all, willing to go to war to kill people who believe a different way. it's just madness.
Never found Phoenix too appealing, feel free to sue me.
Feel free not to live here.
rubs hurting leg
ok, clearly i'm getting too old and clumsy for "run around the couch and play hide and seek."
Feel free not to live here.
Can I come to visit and have tea?
Sure - I find it almost impossible to distinguish Phoenix from Fresno. And of course, those darned Fresno-Tuscan villas are just everywhere in town.
CD:
I'm not a believer, let alone a member of any organized religion, but much of what is in religious doctrine is essentially poetry and philosophy. And religion is part of our history and culture. So one can, for example, react to MLKs Baptist soaked rhetoric by noting the unlikely nature of the stories or the sexist nature of the doctrine, or one can see that the story of Moses and flight from egypt is a powerful iconic image of slavery and freedom ...
I think you need to be able to do both.
Pissed-off Curly
(not really)
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of course, those darned Fresno-Tuscan villas are just everywhere in town.
Chill the fuck out.
The odd thing is, however that there is a historical precedent for at least part of the Southern half of the state of Ohio to have a strong progressive streak. Unfortunately I think it died when the mines gave out. The UMW fought like hell for the rights of workers back in the 20's and 30's but today's youth seems to have completely forgotten about that. I guess they'd be just as happy playing Nintendo than they would actually standing up for themselves.
The Jester | 09.29.07 - 7:10 pm
Strickland is from southern Ohio. But most of the folks from Southern ohio that I know are conservative and somewhat fundamentalist. And there's also the urban/rural difference.
Having been born in Fresno and grown up there, I'd like to state, in no uncertain terms, that no one is to ever mention the racist fucks that live there, the depressing rundown sameness of the architecture, nor the fact that it gets hot in the summer and foggy as shit in the winter.
To do so would make you worse than Hitler!
I'm not a believer, let alone a member of any group that does human sacrifice, but much of human sacrifice is essentially poetry and philosophy. And human sacrifice is part of our history and culture.
-Mel Gibson bot
dave™© - I agree. I always liked Fresno. It had a lot of its own self to it.
Feel free not to live here.
Can I come to visit and have tea?
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn
Ask Arthur.
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Fresno - the home of William Saroyan and Mike Connors.
'Nuff said!
Hey A-Man,
How 'bout those Nats??
I'm not a believer, let alone a member of any group that does human sacrifice, ...
spinoza | 09.29.07 - 7:30 pm | #
I coulda sworn you were American? Who knew?
Can I come to visit and have tea?
NTodd, J-A-W-N Jawn
Motherfuckin' tea?
There is a scene in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto where the priest presiding over the grotesque sacrifice of thousands of innocents turns to the king and smirks. They know the eclipse was due and they know how it would turn out.
Work the rubes to maintain the power of the elite. That's religion. Predicting the eclipse is science. Not a problem if there are enough home schooled creationist cretins.
To do so would make you worse than Hitler!
dave™© | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 7:29 pm | #
So the story is that Jack Newfield and Pete Hamill were at a bar and decide that they will each write down in order the list of the three worst people in history and compare lists. Of course the lists are identical:
Hitler
Stalin
Walter O'Malley.
OK. Tonight it was broiled boneless rib eye with a herb/garlic butter sauce melted over it as it came out of the broiler. Side of mashed potatoes/broccoli and roasted garlic, fried portobello mushroom caps in breadcrumbs, smothered with sauted stems, red peppers, shallots and fresh herbs. Dessert: fresh purple plum compote with a crisp brown sugar, oatmeal, butter topping.
Shiraz for wine.
I'm tired.
Fresno - the home of William Saroyan and Mike Connors.
'Nuff said!
dave™©
Always was for me. The day Bill Saroyan died was a sadness I'll never get over.
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Shaw,
I don't suppose there are any openings at your dinner table, eh?
It's Saturday night. Our friends are out. They're gonna come home tonight and find out we're at war with Iran.
Dear Darwin!
TO Jim who missed Torchwood.
cht at gis dot net.
I can hook you up with the episode you missed.
Shaw,
I don't suppose there are any openings at your dinner table, eh?
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Wish we weren't a continent away, Diane! I'd love to make you a liberal dinner, sweetie. But I'll be out in Calif. again. Half of my family lives there. I use cooking as a therapeutic way of relieving my anxieties.
BTW, if you ever find yourself spending a couple of days in Fresno, consider driving east to Kings Canyon and Sequoia National Parks instead of north to Yosemite.
Not as spectacular as Yosemite (particularly the Yosemite Valley), but less traveled and still gaw-juss!
Shiiiitte.
Same game, different day.
bush at 30% approval.
Repukes need to be seen as independent from bush.
bush intentionally vetoes popular bill
repukes help override to show independence
...
this can only be good news for repukes
The day Bill Saroyan died was a sadness I'll never get over.
No tears for Mike Connors?
That's sad...
Favorite comment:
"The same people who are constantly skeptical about statistics about the uninsured apparently think this set of statistics was sent by God on a stone tablet."
Chris Tucker:
Send me your email addy. We're working on a Eschatonian Bostonian get together. res i. l. may be coming up to Beantown end of Oct., beginning of Nov.
shawkenawe (at) yahoo (dot) com
more proof that first amendment thingee is dead, dead, dead.
i'm sure the prosecutor in this case has no more serious "criminals" to go after. not.
repukes help override to show independence
...
this can only be good news for repukes
left field
The only problem with your scenario is that I don't think the House has the votes to override.
I did get three pair of Wrangler jeans, y'all.
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http://www.antiwar.com/ips/
ghari...articleid=11690
Crony mercenaries...Pentagon awards new contract to Blackwater.
Anyone suprised?
"I'm tired."
--Shaw Kenawe
I would be stuffed also. Sounds absolutely delicious.
I could only pull it together tonight to grill burgers and make the homemade fries.
Who the fuck buys pre-formed hamburger meat?
Not I.
Because they are honorable mercenaries, right?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ater/
index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Private military contractor Blackwater USA "delayed and impeded" a congressional probe into the 2004 killings of four of its employees in Falluja, Iraq, the House Oversight Committee said Thursday in a report.
SNIP
The company stalled the committee's investigation into the incident by "erroneously claiming" documents related to the incident were classified, trying to get the Defense Department to make previously unclassified documents classified and "asserting questionable legal privileges," according to a report from the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee's Democratic staff.
According to Blackwater's reports on the killings, the men killed in Falluja had been sent into the area without proper crew, equipment or even maps.
One company document found a "complete lack of support" for its Baghdad, Iraq, office from executives at the company's headquarters in North Carolina, the committee report states.
Well, that's the kind of management any general would want on his side, right?
The only problem with your scenario is that I don't think the House has the votes to override.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 09.29.07 - 7:46 pm | #
Which can only mean more good news for repukes....
Blackwater needs to be shut down.
Who the fuck buys pre-formed hamburger meat?
We've bought those six pound bags of patties a few times over the year for "big" barbeques (in our case, "big" means about a dozen people or so.)
Generally, the meat is pretty fatty though... though I see out here in Cally-four-nye-a, you can get a six-pound bag of patties made from ground round from Harris Ranch.
funny you should ask, stunt woman. i just fed the newphew a burger that was a preformed patty.
i too was skeptical about this sort of food before i started having to feed him. there are times you really do need the added ease of pre-formed food. sometimes you literally don't have the time, sometimes the lil bugger is running you around in circles and you can barely get the cooking done, and sometimes little kids can be downright obsessed with food that "looks funny."
i'm glad there's more and more organic food for kids these days, i was never a big fan of feeding him preformed and packaged food that is laden with "preservatives" and artificial crap.
Who the fuck buys pre-formed hamburger meat?
The hamburger forms itself. It's right next to the hamcreas in the schmoo.
Well, maybe not this general--sort of:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Security contractors in Iraq use some over-the-top tactics and overreact at times, a top U.S. general in Iraq said Friday.
Many in Iraq have witnessed security contractors operating in a questionable fashion, said U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Joseph Anderson, chief of staff for the Multi-National Corps in Iraq.
"I can certainly say I've seen them do some tactics that I thought were over the top. But that's something we've got to keep working out," Anderson said in a briefing to Pentagon reporters via teleconference from Iraq.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/
me...tion=cnn_latest
The butcher counter at the local Lucky (previously Albertson's) sells pre-formed patties - though they're fresh.
Also sold at Trader Joe's...
Send me your email addy. We're working on a Eschatonian Bostonian get together. res i. l. may be coming up to Beantown end of Oct., beginning of Nov.
That girl making the rounds of Atriots?
Hiya folks.
Blackwater needs to be shut down.
mer
A fucking men!
See my homepage.
Half the fun of making burgers is shaping the patty. Not quite as much fun as kneading bread, but still.
I guess I should rephrase my question: who the fuck buys INDUSTRIALLY PACKAGED pre-formed hamburger meat?
It's like buying prime rib in a "two-fer" from Hormel.
Gross.
slanties!
flory:
">indicators are pointing down for GOP
The butcher counter at the local Lucky (previously Albertson's) sells pre-formed patties - though they're fresh.
Yer Albertson's became a Lucky? My Lucky became an Albertson's, which is now becoming a TJs.
In further actions taken on the hearts-and-minds front:
A US air raid early today killed at least 10 people, including women and children, in a building in a mainly Sunni area of Baghdad, Iraqi officials said.
The raid targeted a building in the Al-Saha neighbourhood in southwestern Baghdad where families were sleeping, the Iraqi officials said.
SNIP
"Ten people were killed and seven wounded when American helicopters attacked Building No 139 at 2am. We have no idea of the reason for the attack," said an Interior Ministry official.
An official at Baghdad's Al-Yarmuk hospital said 13 people - seven men, two women and four children - were killed and 10 men and a women were wounded. He said all the casualties were civilians.
http://www.news.com.au/
heraldsun...5005961,00.html
You computer geeks might find this interesting:
...It seems there could be a blossoming consumer market for very low-cost computers next year, and with hardware prices so low, they almost all run a version of Linux. So after long years of crying in the wilderness and wailing and nashing of teeth there is finally a realistic chance Linux on the desktop is going to take off. Previously Microsoft could "hide" the cost of its operating system within the greater cost of the hardware. As hardware prices have come down they just can’t do that anymore.
If you just paid $250 for a shiny basic laptop, how much would you pay extra for the software to do basic things like surf the web? Not much I suspect...
Traitor Joe's?
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Shaw Kenawe, I couldn't read the entire post. Makes me feel empty. Like dementors or something. Sucks the life right out of me.
via d kos:
'The President Has Accepted Ethnic Cleansing'
Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has consistently led the way in telling the story of what's really going on in Iraq and Iran. SPIEGEL ONLINE spoke to him about America's Hitler, Bush's Vietnam, and how the US press failed the First Amendment.
No tears for Mike Connors?
That's sad...
tears? why i am absolutely mannic over it ... wait, isn't he still alive?
Hey, Flory!
Yer Albertson's became a Lucky? My Lucky became an Albertson's, which is now becoming a TJs.
flory
This morning, I was becoming Electra.
My Lucky became an Albertson's, which is now becoming a TJs.
Yeah, but that Albertson's closed a while back, right?
Albertson's got bought by Save Mart, who could continue calling the stores "Albertson's" until (IIRC) the end of this month. So last week, they reverted back to the unused "Lucky" name.
It's like buying prime rib in a "two-fer" from Hormel.
Gross.
Stunt Woman
I used to buy whole ribeyes cryovac-packed at Costco. It was pretty good and very economical. Of course, I think what you're talking about is a bit different.
Hersh: The Surge means basically that, in some way, the president has accepted ethnic cleansing, whether he's talking about it or not. When he first announced the Surge in January, he described it as a way to bring the parties together. He's not saying that any more. I think he now understands that ethnic cleansing is what is going to happen. You're going to have a Kurdistan. You're going to have a Sunni area that we're going to have to support forever. And you're going to have the Shiites in the South.
wait, isn't he still alive?
Good Lord - he is!
He's 82...
portia | 09.29.07 - 8:05 pm
As I said before when this came up, the President has not only accepted ethnic cleansing, he has actively practiced it in his own country.
Badboysbadboyswatchagonnado... sugarrumbumcomeforyou!
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Half the fun of making burgers is shaping the patty. Not quite as much fun as kneading bread...
Or scouring the bathroom tile with a toothbrush...
So, Jeffraham, how much did you pay for your 3 pairs of Wrangers?
dailykos:
Seymour Hersh: Bush "has accepted ethnic cleansing"
by Turkana
a must read.
the president has accepted ethnic cleansing, whether he's talking about it or not.
portia
torture, ethnic cleansing...what's the diff?
Hey! Jenna's got a book!
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007...rens-
speak.html
Bush is supportive of 'Let the childrens speak'
Good Lord - he is!
He's 82...
dave™©
old dicks never die ...
Is it true that 67% of Iraq vets have deformed kids?
Apparently, Mike Connors was on an episode of Two and a Half Men last spring...
Who the fuck buys pre-formed hamburger meat?
Stunt Wom
I would think if you were doing a BBQ for lots of people it makes sense.
Bush is supportive of 'Let the childrens speak'
Isn't that a Whitney Houston number?
Corporate raider S H E E T S.
I would think if you were doing a BBQ for lots of people it makes sense.
I'll take a Coke with that burger, boy-o...
Funny, I used to make hamburgers a lot, but for some reason I haven't done it in like 8 years. I should check to see if my son will eat them one of these days....
mattsmom: So, Jeffraham, how much did you pay for your 3 pairs of Wrangers?
They were made by prisoners and slaves. 2 @ $12.99 ea.; 1 @ 16.99.
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So last week, they reverted back to the unused "Lucky" name.
dave™©
Diin't know that. The local BadFoodsons closed about a year ago.
Hiya Diane!!!
Badboysbadboyswatchagonnado... sugarrumbumcomeforyou!
Hey, the Pete Carroll Saturday Nite Follies are on ABC, man.
No tears for Mike Connors?
That's sad...
dave™©
Um? He's not dead?
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