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All I care about is whether I can walk into a hospital or a clinic and get the care I need at a price I can afford. If that doesn't happen, the money boys win again.
NHS-related wanking at The Corner.
Every other industrialized democracy spends less money per person to cover everyone than we do to only cover some of the population. They have better life expectancy too.
"the public plan" is the road to single payer.
who cares about cost? It's socialism!!!!
The goals of any health care system are three:
1. to provide high quality medical care
2. to provide it as cheaply as possible
3. to provide it to as many people as possible
It can be helpful to think of how each new proposal works towards those each goals and how trying for one reduces the chances of getting the others.
We should encourage the line that some of the Repubs are throwing out that the public option will be "too cheap". You got to take advantage of the times they do the work for us.
NHS-related wanking at The Corner.
No one is proposing a NHS style system for the USA. The NHS does a better job of providing health care than the US system does, however.
All right, I'm gonna close up shop so I can go home and do some serious 4th of July drinking!
Public option is not a bad transition from where I sit, though I'd rather just fucking the increments and go for HR676.
The only time in my life I got a home visit from a physician was in the U.K., by an NHS employee.
The goals of any health care system are three:
4: To use community outreach to actively extend preventitive care to everyone so that they don't wait until they're at death's door to go to the emergency room. That alone will save massive amounts of money.
Oh, apropos of nothing, today's installment of the current Paxcast series...
Expand Medicare/Medicade to cover all Americans.
If you want, you can pay for your health insurance.
Problem solved.
Next?
Too expensive? As opposed to say, now, when I can hardly afford it on my salary?
Plus, eat lots of roughage, and try to keep your smoking down to a pack a day.
If they give it to a few rich people it will stop being socialism.
though I'd rather just fucking the increments and go for HR676.
NTodd,של
The idea of starting it realtively small and ironing out the kinks as it grows appeals to me a lot.
4: To use community outreach to actively extend preventitive care to everyone so that they don't wait until they're at death's door to go to the emergency room. That alone will save massive amounts of money.
Yeah, but this could as well go under number 1, because high quality care includes prevention.
Expand Medicare/Medicade to cover all Americans.
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But, but the insurance vultures would have to compete, like in a free market and everything, and that's just un-American, dammit!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
The new integrated plan will encourage smoking, since whatever it spends extra on healthcare will be more than compensated for by lower social security costs.
And by the way, today it was 60 degrees and raining almost the entire day in my part of Murika.
People didn't have cookouts as much as bonfires to keep warm.
The idea of starting it realtively small and ironing out the kinks as it grows appeals to me a lot.
If by "small" you mean "covering the 50M currently uninsured" (such as myself), I'd agree.
Sux.
Plan #2: Draft all Americans and then expand the VA to cover everyone.
Amorphous
We give stuff to rich people all the time We've got capitalism for the rich in this country, just not for the middle class and poor
Damned Englischerien....
Of COURSE single payer is the only answer, combining both personal responsibility and governmental authority. Did you idjits imagine that Alberta and Saskatchewan and Manitoba were a bunch of crazed socialists? (Well, Manitoba, sure, but the others, not so much.)
My nephew has less than ninety minutes left as an unmarried man.
Mazel-tov!
Sux.
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
I saw that. He and his wife were both shot to death, I think.
If a semi-decent public option is made law, it will, in my opinion, rapidly mutate into single-payer; the insurance companies are going to die, because they cannot compete with the government.
Boo effin' hoo.
I'm fine with public option. And if I'm wrong and private medicine sticks around for the very rich, that's OK by me, provided that everyone else gets what they need.
If by "small" you mean "covering the 50M currently uninsured" (such as myself), I'd agree.
NTodd,שלו
That's already pretty big, but I don't see what else can be done for those people, so I guess that's where I'd start too.
We give stuff to rich people all the time
As Teddy Roosevelt observed, the rich benefit inordinately from our society's protections (military, policing, etc).
I'm fine with public option. And if I'm wrong and private medicine sticks around for the very rich, that's OK by me, provided that everyone else gets what they need.
I believe the private option is present in most countries which have public health care systems.
That's already pretty big, but I don't see what else can be done for those people, so I guess that's where I'd start too.
It's essentially where we started in VT. Granted it's a small pool, but still...
GWPDA: Exactly what I'm going to say! I am curious if they will break a glass (or a light bulb, as his father and mother, my sister, did in 1974.) They're being married by a Stanford classmate who is a Universalist Unitarian minister for the day. Hey, it's Gullyfornia.
Let's annex Canada and give free healthcare, hockey lessons, and poutine to everyone.
Thanks, Echidne. Sounds right to me, but I've only lived in the UK as far as other countries go.
The Canadians can forgive us for the Revolution, and we can forgive them for burning down the White house in 1812.
As Teddy Roosevelt observed, the rich benefit inordinately from our society's protections (military, policing, etc).
As I've said before, the people who come into gated communities to clean houses, do yard work, care for the children, run the cash register at the Starbucks and the Pilates studio, have to kept healthy or the wealthy will feel the pain. Most well-to-do people figure this out.
Let's annex Canada and give free healthcare, hockey lessons, and poutine to everyone.
Alternately, we can do what we did in Iraq; invade, destroy their infrastructure, then give them universal healthcare and occupy them for the foreseeable future. Advantage over Iraq: it's closer and we get Loonies on par!
the people who come into gated communities...have to kept healthy or the wealthy will feel the pain.
Which is why a sick-in would be so helpful right about now...
Let's annex Canada and give free healthcare, hockey lessons, and poutine to everyone.
M31
Eating poutine will necessitate health care for everyone.
(mmm... poutine)
the people who come into gated communities...have to kept healthy or the wealthy will feel the pain.
Sadly, there's always another poor person when one drops dead. Banana republics.
we can forgive them for burning down the White house in 1812.
That was just a drunken frat prank.
Teh potatoes and onions are in their little sealed packets and on teh grill.
Teh chicken and teh leftover steaks are on teh grill too.
Soon - corn!
And then - whiskey!
Sadly, there's always another poor person when one drops dead. Banana republics.
That's the difference between individual and collective impact (and action).
Teh potatoes and onions are in their little sealed packets and on teh grill.
Teh chicken and teh leftover steaks are on teh grill too.
Soon - corn!
And then - whiskey!
GWPDA
Early-bird Special, GWPDA style.
Btw - why the hell did Moe go from Edmonton to Calgary to TABER and thence to Ft. McLeod? This is weird.
Also.
That was just a drunken frat prank.
NTodd
Wait - are we talking about Iraq now?
I made a Mexican coctel de camarones for the neighborhood block party/pig picking and sent it ahead with my wife. That's aboiut all the cooking I'll be doing this weekend.
I'm going back into teh pool. It's only 100SD here or so, and there's no good reason to stay inside.
Afternoon, good people.
I've just spent more time reading the news accounts of La Palin's resignation than a normal person should.
My conclusions are hardly surprising.
It can be helpful to think of how each new proposal works towards those each goals and how trying for one reduces the chances of getting the others.
Echidne
There you go talking about issues when we should be speculating on a Jackson/Sanford/Palin love triangle.
Single payer is the way to go but as in anything the devil is in the details. Since employment based plans are generally annual contracts with different dates - for the company I work for our annual enrollment for benefits runs 9/1 through 8/31. For my wife it is 10/1 through 9/30. So if we end up with a Single Payer plan that goes into effect 10/1/10 what do I do for the month of September 10? Jump on my wife's plan for one month, go uninsured one month or count on Kaiser (my current provider) to sell my boss a one month policy for all of his employees?
This may seem like a trivial question but in Obama's comments this week about "too radical" of a plan he seemed to be worried about this important issue. Anyone have any thoughts in regard to a transition from private to public plans?
I'm going back into teh pool. It's only 100SD here or so, and there's no good reason to stay inside.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Come up here to Northern NY - you can stand outside and it'll feel like you're having a cool dip.
Americans held hostage by pirates after abduction in International Waters
what kind of a country are we that we allow terrorists to kidnap and imprison an ex-US Congresswoman?
The storms roll in.
the people who come into gated communities...have to kept healthy or the wealthy will feel the pain.
Sadly, there's always another poor person when one drops dead. Banana republics.
True, but if they've brought TB or pneumonia or H1N1 with them, it will impact the well-to-do
I knew the single payer plan was cooked when the debate kept talking about "insurance" rather than health care access.
what kind of a country are we that we allow terrorists to kidnap and imprison an ex-US Congresswoman?
If you followed my Twitter you'd already know!
Well, no. Just that she was kidnapped days ago, along with a Nobel prize winner and 20 other activists. But we got a nice explanation from the Israel Consulate General in Atlanta...I guess I should post that.
My conclusions are hardly surprising.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:09 pm | #
Um .. yeah.
What is surprising is that the WaPo and Globe lead paragraphs are identical (except for the geese). Word for word.
Most well-to-do people figure this out.
So how come the political party that exists to protect their interests hasn't figured this out yet?
"The storms roll in."
--Jeffraham,
Oh dear, is it rolling this way?
Wait - are we talking about Iraq now?
No, Stonehenge.
the waterslide at this hotel is 193 feet long, but the stairs up are the killer part. dumps into a nice pool with a wiki bar, twenty yards from the ocean.
allahu ahkbar for nap time
mer: Oh dear, is it rolling this way?
Wee hours, for you, I'm guessing.
I knew the single payer plan was cooked when the debate kept talking about "insurance" rather than health care access.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Insurance is what you buy coverage is what you get. I bet our Senators and Representatives never get an "Explanation of Benefits" letter which is explains why a medical procedure isn't covered.
What is surprising is that the WaPo and Globe lead paragraphs are identical (except for the geese). Word for word.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Must be time for a blogger ethics panel, no?
No, Stonehenge.
NTodd
Actually, that would explain a lot.
Earlier today an Israeli Navy team boarded and took control of the cargo boat 'Arion' as the vessel illegally attempted to enter the Gaza Strip. In accordance with internationally recognized agreements between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, the waters along the Gaza Strip are under Israeli security control and foreign vessels are not permitted to sail into the territory. The Israeli Navy attempted to make contact with the 'Arion,' but its repeated warnings were ignored. No shots were fired during the boarding of the boat and the vessel was rerouted to the Israeli port of Ashdod. Humanitarian goods found aboard to boat will be transferred to the Gaza Strip, subject to authorization. We expect the vessel's passengers to be flown home shortly.
If you followed my Twitter you'd already know!
sorry, my beach towel isn't getting Twitter anymore. sand, etc
Israel continues to make the humanitarian relief efforts in Gaza one of its top priorities. Humanitarian aid is shipped into Gaza regularly through multiple ground crossings and those who wish to transfer humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip can do so through these existing channels. In 2009 alone, the Gaza Strip has received over 300,000 tons of humanitarian supplies. Hundreds of aid trucks enter Gaza daily. In some cases, this has led to a surplus of humanitarian aid, with reports of Gaza civilians selling extra aid they possess.
dumps into a nice pool with a wiki bar
some guy: adjunct
Ummm . . .
True, but if they've brought TB or pneumonia or H1N1 with them, it will impact the well-to-do
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Which was why it was so important to capture and illegally prison Typhoid Mary. She made rich people sick by working in their kitchen.
So if we end up with a Single Payer plan that goes into effect 10/1/10 what do I do for the month of September 10? Jump on my wife's plan for one month, go uninsured one month or count on Kaiser (my current provider) to sell my boss a one month policy for all of his employees?
This may seem like a trivial question but in Obama's comments this week about "too radical" of a plan he seemed to be worried about this important issue. Anyone have any thoughts in regard to a transition from private to public plans?
Tom | 07.04.09 - 6:10 pm | #
You buy a COBRA policy for that month.
COBRA is a supplemental insurance policy that provides temporary health insurance to eligible workers and their dependents when they are between jobs by extending the coverage of the most recent employer. Because gaps in health care coverage can cause problems when enrolling in a new plan, it's important that families stay insured in times of transition.
we can forgive them for burning down the White house in 1812.
Didn't they also take all of the "W"s off of the typewriters?
The storms roll in.
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
So we should batten down the hatches in Mt. Juliet?
Once again former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and her fellow travelers have taken it upon themselves to disregard their own safety, as well as the safety of the vessel's crew, by leading a boat into restricted waters. Ms. McKinney ignored the available and legal means for the delivery of aid to the Gaza Strip and instead chose to make a reckless political stunt.
Must be time for a blogger ethics panel, no?
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:14 pm | #
Well, certainly one for the MSM.
The storms roll in.
Eli's comin'.
Guess who is Anonymous?
heh.
In some cases, this has led to a surplus of humanitarian aid, with reports of Gaza civilians selling extra aid they possess.
those who doubt the Moon Is Made of Blue Cheese continue to fail to offer evidence that it is not.
CNN:
Are Democrats doing a victory lap because they were scared of Sarah Palin in 2012?
Me:
No.
Mt. Juliet?: So we should batten down the hatches in
You've probably got an hour... these storms don't look strong, btw.
"nice pool with a wiki bar"
Sweet. Are the computers waterproof?
You buy a COBRA policy for that month.
it'll only cost you a couple of thousand dollars.
Steve McNair and a woman found shot dead in a house in Nashville.
I can't believe Steve McNair was killed.
What a freaking world.
it'll only cost you a couple of thousand dollars.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:18 pm | #
Mine cost a few hundred.
" scared of Sarah Palin in 2012?"
Wingnuts say a lot of really stupid shit, but the "scared of Palin" one takes the cake.
Who's Steve McNair?
Are Democrats doing a victory lap because they were scared of Sarah Palin in 2012?
Me:
No.
Karatist Preacher
If by "victory dance" they mean "laugh our asses off", then perhaps.
I knew the single payer plan was cooked when the debate kept talking about "insurance" rather than health care access.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Single payer is insurance, is it not?
Guess who is Anonymous?
Him?
Btw - this Cacharel swimsuit is very flattering.
"I can't believe Steve McNair was killed."
I know. I thought his head was bulletproof.
Are Democrats doing a victory lap because they were scared of Sarah Palin in 2012?
The Republicans are stupid enough to nominate her, but the FSM doesn't love us that much.
it'll only cost you a couple of thousand dollars.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:18 pm | #
Mine cost a few hundred.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Age and number of dependents can greatly vary the cost. The stress of getting laid off also makes one vulnerable to fall ill so if you are not covered during that period, "Hello pre-existing condition!"
Dear Mr. President,
Please bite me.
Your friend,
Hecate
Obama Urges Groups to Stop Attacks
Advocates Should Turn Attention to Promoting Legislation, President Says
President Obama, strategizing yesterday with congressional leaders about health-care reform, complained that liberal advocacy groups ought to drop their attacks on Democratic lawmakers and devote their energy to promoting passage of comprehensive legislation.
In a pre-holiday call with half a dozen top House and Senate Democrats, Obama expressed his concern over advertisements and online campaigns targeting moderate Democrats, whom they criticize for not being fully devoted to "true" health-care reform.
"We shouldn't be focusing resources on each other," Obama opined in the call, according to three sources who participated in or listened to the conversation. "We ought to be focused on winning this debate."
That last anonymous was me
Bee good:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/
pho...096501088ISKzmH
Guess who is Anonymous?
Him?
AndyG
Him, too 
OK, I'm being rude in at least two ways (using hostess' laptop to chat with people who are not here).
Talk to you lovely folks anon.
JP -- Unidentified Flying Object, 2 tomorrow?
CNN: Are Democrats doing a victory lap because they were scared of Sarah Palin in 2012?
Karatist Preacher
I'd laugh if I wasn't crying for the fiery wreck that is CNN.
so if you are not covered during that period, "Hello pre-existing condition!"
George Johnston | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:20 pm | #
not an issue for single payer. or it shouldn't be.
Wingnuts say a lot of really stupid shit, but the "scared of Palin" one takes the cake.
fred | 07.04.09 - 6:18 pm | #
I hope they continue to think that and nominate her in 2012.
The debates will be wonderful.
"Can I call ya Barry?"
jac
it is way nice, but the drinks are really watered down. they also have a kiddie area, with a green frog and blue whale that you ride as they shoot water.
really cheesy, and heavy with crackers but the kids love this place, and it is twenty yards from our favorite beach.
and 3 hours and 15 minutes until the fireworks, hooray!
Well, I didn't know Steve McNair, but I've met him, as have many people here. I'm sorry to hear the news.
i'm letting the bastards get me down. and they aren't even all really bastards. they just act that way sometimes.
Virginia: JP -- Unidentified Flying Object, 2 tomorrow?
2:00, rather than noon?
Single payer is insurance, is it not?
No single payer is a rational way of paying for the health care that everyone needs during their lifetime. Insurance is a method of protecting people from unexpected catastrophic expenses.
Age and number of dependents can greatly vary the cost. The stress of getting laid off also makes one vulnerable to fall ill so if you are not covered during that period, "Hello pre-existing condition!"
George Johnston | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:20 pm | #
True, but Tom was posing a scenario in which he knew he'd only miss a month of coverage.
Tony Blankley agrees with Bill Kristol that she has performed such a diabolical mind-fuck that we can't possibly know what she is doing which only makes her stronger.
fred
wifi in the room as the kids nap.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Dear Mr. President,
You and those Congressman work for us; we do not work for you.
Do what we tell you to do and everything will be fine.
Sincerely,
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:22 pm | #
thank you.
"Can I call ya Barry?"
This would be sweet...
"No, you can call me 'Mr. President' like every civilized person does."
D00d I'll send you an e-mail in case you don't have my phone number.
*MWAH!*
it is way nice, but the drinks are really watered down.
some guy: adjunct
At this point, it's cheaper for me to be on COBRA than it is to join Zapette's coverage. Rather save that for the baby.
it is way nice, but the drinks are really watered down.
some guy: adjunct
Tiki bar.
Tiki bar.
(Fucking tags.)
Brooklyn Girl - nice try but COBRA is not an option that the vast majority of the country can afford even for one month. Also our current provider agrees to sell us insurance in one year contracts. If we were not renewing a contract but only looking to have employees buy coverage for one month COBRA would not even apply. Each employee would have to negotiate a rate on their own and many would be deemed un-insurable for individual coverage so they would not be able to pick up coverage at any price.
COBRA only works for loss of coverage for an individual when the group they used to belong to is still insured.
hecate
I think BHO better get used to a lot of his friends on the Left pushing back hard against folks like Landrieu and Baucus and Conrad and McAskill, and the Nelsons.
pushing Dems to do what they were elected to do is the progressive agenda
Zapette
AndyG
WOULD YOU QUIT CHANGING YOUR NYM MOTHERFUCKER?!?!?!
He played like he was bulletproof and maybe his career would have lasted a little longer if he'd been less loving of contact. But he loved football, loved running with the ball and getting smacked.
By all accounts, a great human being and we saw the kind of player he was.
He made the most of what he had and had a heart of a champion.
When the Titans lost the Superbowl, there was a great parade downtown and the city couldn't have been prouder. ..Ironically, it was on the street where he was murdered, I think - or very close.
Shit.
Tony Blankley agrees with Bill Kristol that she has performed such a diabolical mind-fuck that we can't possibly know what she is doing which only makes her stronger.
Karatist Preacher | 07.04.09 - 6:23 pm | #
Mr. Blankley, would you like some mustard to go with your pretzel logic?
tom - simple. make single payer retroactive for that situation up to, say, six months. fine inscos that bail in anticipation.
viola, as they say.
I think BHO better get used to a lot of his friends on the Left pushing back hard against folks like Landrieu and Baucus and Conrad and McAskill, and the Nelsons.
Some guy, I think BHO better get used to us pushing back hard against him since he apparently doesn't get it.
"Costs" for health care seems to mean "any health care at all for poor or brown or darker skinned people".
"pushing Dems to do what they were elected to do is the progressive agenda"
Well, those people you mentioned were elected by the people of their respective states. Their job (in theory) is to do the bidding of those people, not what some generic "progressive" thinks they should do.
Problem is that we have a lot more people from red areas than the Republicans do from blue areas, at least in Congress.
72% of Americans want a public health care option.
But we shouldn't be too hard on those poor, poor Congressmen who already have taxpayer financed health care.
No, I don't think so.
"Costs" for health care seems to mean "any health care at all for poor or brown or darker skinned people".
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Bingo! The movie Sicko covered that.
"Costs" for health care seems to mean "any health care at all for poor or brown or darker skinned people".
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 07.04.09 - 6:28 pm | #
and rationing means "not being able to get as much as i want when some folks get none."
everything is rationed. it's only a matter of the criteria.
But we shouldn't be too hard on those poor, poor Congressmen who already have taxpayer financed health care.
Should take the shit away from them and make them go on COBRA
I think BHO better get used to a lot of his friends on the Left pushing back hard against folks like Landrieu and Baucus and Conrad and McAskill, and the Nelsons.
Some guy, I think BHO better get used to us pushing back hard against him since he apparently doesn't get it.
Needed to be said twice.
fred
bill nelson is my senator. FL is now a blue state, and getting bluer, so helping (to try to) push him to the Left is both a duty and a privilige for me and my friends
T4TN: When the Titans lost the Superbowl, there was a great parade downtown and the city couldn't have been prouder. ..Ironically, it was on the street where he was murdered, I think - or very close.
He and a woman who has not yet been identified were found dead in a condo at 2nd Ave, S and Lea Ave., ~1:30 p.m. CDT, today.
Initially, it was reported as a murder-suicide, but now they're reporting it as a double-homicide.
The light! The light it blinds! (I have washed the windows in three rooms!)
Beware of the byline on that BHO "weary" story. It's Spite Girl Ceci Connolly.
The whole problem is tying insurance to employment. Cobra isn't the answer.
and there are plenty of progressives in LA and in MT and ND.
No single payer is a rational way of paying for the health care that everyone needs during their lifetime. Insurance is a method of protecting people from unexpected catastrophic expenses.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:22 pm | #
Wiki gives us the NIH thesaurus definition
An approach to health care financing with only one source of money for paying health care providers. The scope may be national, like the Canadian system, state-wide, or community-based. The payer may be a governmental unit or other entity such as an insurance company. The proposed advantages include administrative simplicity for patients and providers, and resulting significant savings in overhead costs.[1]
The whole problem is tying insurance to employment.
Hecate
Hecate Johnson is right!
"We ought to be focused on winning this debate."
Dear Mr. President:
We are focused on winning this debate.
You seem to be focused on shutting us up.
WTF?
Should take the shit away from them and make them walk through a pit of COBRAs
Supreme Commander Thor | 07.04.09 - 6:29 pm | #
fractured your tale
Did anyone hear about Steve McNair and a woman getting shot and killed today?
Maybe you've already discussed it?
Anna Marie Wonkette tells me that if people like smoked turkey then they don't want to change to regular turkey and that's why no one wants Health Care from the gov't.
"pushing Dems to do what they were elected to do is the progressive agenda"
'Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way'
joking - I agree with you. Personally I think Obama is happy with the progressives' efforts but doesn't want to make fragile Joe Lieberman cry in public.
The proposed advantages include administrative simplicity for patients and providers, and resulting significant savings in overhead costs.[1]
There's also the advantage of size which allows for quantity discounts and negotiation power to match, say, multinational pharmaceutical companies.
Anna Marie Wonkette tells me that if people like smoked turkey then they don't want to change to regular turkey and that's why no one wants Health Care from the gov't.
Huh?
She should stick to what she knows best....anal.
Dirk- I can see how that would work but what about this scenario:
My boss agrees to a new annual contract with Kaiser for 10/1/09 - 9/30/10 for group coverage. By some miracle my dreams come true and the nation institutes Single Payer Insurance for all effective 6/1/10. My taxes go up but I am happy because my boss will give me a raise nearly equal to what he used to pay for my health insurance. The problem is Kaiser won't let him out of his contract so we end up with double coverage for 3 months.
The bottom line is that these individual contracts for group insurance all have different date ranges but they will all need to terminate at the same time, somehow, in order to accommodate single payer - I am sure there is a way but it will be messy figuring it out.
Ooops. Just looked upthread. Nevermind.
Grrr... would a Public Option pay to fix Haloscan?
Obama Urges Groups to Stop Attacks
Advocates Should Turn Attention to Promoting Legislation, President Says
Oddly enough, we can do both, you shitwhistle. Conversely, I'd recommend you stop attacking advocates and turn your fucking attention to promoting the change you promised.
Good news: clearly our pressure it being felt. Time to turn it to 11...
Networks to offer live Jackson memorial coverage
NEW YORK (AP) - The memorial for Michael Jackson may be a tough ticket live, but it shouldn't be hard to find it on television.
ABC, CNN, MSNBC and E! Entertainment are among the networks that have already announced plans to offer live coverage of the Tuesday memorial, set for 10 a.m. PDT in Los Angeles' Staples Center.
The problem is Kaiser won't let him out of his contract so we end up with double coverage for 3 months.
A very small price to pay.
joking - I agree with you. Personally I think Obama is happy with the progressives' efforts but doesn't want to make fragile Joe Lieberman cry in public.
Karatist Preacher | 07.04.09 - 6:32 pm | #
You mean he may be so expert in 17 dimensional ninja chess that he tells legislators he supports them while encouraging his political allies like SEUI and OFA to increase public pressure? No way, man. That's much too complicated. It's more likely that he is too stupid and ignorant to understand that democratic "moderates" might sink the plan.
/Brilliant Progressive Analyst.
The whole problem is tying insurance to employment.
Hecate
the whole problem is tying health care to insurance. who has it, who doesn't what is covered, what isn't.
CNN:
Are Democrats doing a victory lap because they were scared of Sarah Palin in 2012?
Me:
No.
Karatist Preacher
If it would encourage Team Red to nominate her for Prez in '12, I would gladly contribute $5.
Which is $5 I would not give to them otherwise.
This chikken iz superb!
Perhaps we can call it 'Ted Steven's Disease'
Good news: clearly our pressure it being felt. Time to turn it to 11...
NTodd Johnson is right
Healthcare is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
Tony Blankley agrees with Bill Kristol
Of course he does - they're two douchebags.
Anna Marie Wonkette tells me that if people like smoked turkey then they don't want to change to regular turkey and that's why no one wants Health Care from the gov't.
But what if government healthcare is the turkey baster, and private healthcare is cranberry sauce from a can?
while encouraging his political allies like SEUI and OFA to increase public pressure?
If you have any evidence of this I'd be happy to see it
Personally I think Obama is happy with the progressives' efforts but doesn't want to make fragile Joe Lieberman cry in public.
No I don't think he cares whether the likes of Lieberman cry, but is making a political calculation as what he can and can not get. He may well have miscalculated and is willing to settle for too little, but he's making a rational calculation nonetheless.
The problem is Kaiser won't let him out of his contract so we end up with double coverage for 3 months.
so kaiser pays for your care for 3 months under the contract. what's so hard about that?
people confuse their insurance payments, which go into a pool, with provider reimbursement, which goes for their treatment. the money saved from your overlapped plan goes to pay for the gap for plans that expire just before the changeover.
don't be a big baby.
'Taint Obama saying "Call off the dogs from munchin' on Landrieu and her ilk", it's Rahmbo. Oh, the words may be coming out of Obama's mouth, but Rahmbo wrote 'em. This is Democracy, Rahm-style. He needs a good hard shove to the left, and we're just the people to do it.
Comment by benny blocked.
That's nice, jack - now, go play in traffic.
Healthcare is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
Cuz if the person w H1N1 flu standing next to you on the subway didn't work hard, you won't catch it from them.
Yes, you will.
All I want is to stay in my own house, with some kind of health system that fades my comparatively few issues.
See - if I can't do that? I have to move back to Grandmother Country. It's pretty simple.
Jeffraham, thanks for the update. It's just ...bizarre, to say the least. I didn't miss many games in the McNair days. And I was at the Super Bowl.
Give your kitty boys a hug and kiss for me.
Healthcare is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
benny | 07.04.09 - 6:37 pm | #
so why do senators get it?
Healthcare is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
Healthcare is a right, and is something that should be guaranteed like any other right by a compassionate, englightened and intelligent society.
Oh, the words may be coming out of Obama's mouth, but Rahmbo wrote 'em.
Obama's the boss, not Emmanuel.
..
Anna Marie Wonkette tells me that if people like smoked turkey then they don't want to change to regular turkey and that's why no one wants Health Care from the gov't.
Hungry people eat what they can get. Old saying.
McNair shot to death.
Serial killer in upstate SC.
Thanks, NRA!
Healthcare is a right, and is something that should be guaranteed like any other right by a compassionate, englightened and intelligent society.
NTodd,שלו | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:39 pm | #
in addition tro which, purely pragmatically, the lack of universal healthcare is harmful to society as a whole. avoiding that sort of thing is the reason we have "society" in the first place.
Obama's the boss, not Emmanuel...
The Old Man From Scene 24
I used to think Clinton got blamed for everything.
People like to pile it on Rahm, too.
T4TN: And I was at the Super Bowl.
I couldn't swing that, but my first EVER NFL game was the Buffalo wild card game, a/k/a "Music City Miracle."
If you have any evidence of this I'd be happy to see it
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:38 pm | #
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...u_n_213277.html
Healthcare is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
Republicanism explained, part 907.
Words fail me as to why this is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite a long time, including Palin's word salad speech from yesterday. Also.
Talky Tina on TZ right now
dinner time approacheth, nap time almost over
Happy 4t everybody
Thanks, NRA!
Lindsay, clean fucking hippie | 07.04.09 - 6:41 pm | #
piffle. if the victims had had loaded uzis with them at all times, the serial killer might be dead by now. problem solved. eventually.
Is Michael Jackson's funeral the same time as Senator Franken's swearing in? If so, I'll be pissed.
Also, Alan Klein, manager for the Stones and the Beatles, has died.
sunny flower:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/
pho...096501088uLbBUx
Words fail me as to why this is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite a long time, including Palin's word salad speech from yesterday. Also.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Trolls are experts at saying dumb shit.
Ahem, what I tried to say before haloscan got rude:
Healthcare is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
benny
Bullshit!
The document we celebrate today talks about certain unalienable rights, among them "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
It's not only an entitlement, it's a freakin' right.
Unamerican moron.
deep thought: if the cavemen had been libertarians, they never would have survived long enough to evolve.
Nobody could have anticipated that someone with an unfamiliar name would come here, say something stupid, and get everyone to respond to it...
I saw thiss disgusting thing:
"It’s payback time for white America.
"America's Palestinians" are on the march, chanting "Ahora es la tiempo por audacia"!
Thousands of Latinos are gathering this Independence Day to celebrate the Farce of July.
This annual all-day concert and street fair is held on Cesar Chavez Avenue in East Los Angeles - - the heart of the barrio.
The event is sponsored by the Aztlan Underground to uphold the claim that the Southwest portion of the United States had been stolen from Mexicans and Mexican Americans by Yankee colonialists under the leadership of U.S. President James K. Polk."
And we are called the racists? Makes me sick inside.
deep thought: if the cavemen had been libertarians, they never would have survived long enough to evolve.
dirk gently,sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:44 pm | #
or librarians?
The document we celebrate today talks about certain unalienable rights, among them "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
As the wingers would say, "Doctors used leaches on people back then. Good enough then--"
so kaiser pays for your care for 3 months under the contract. what's so hard about that?
people confuse their insurance payments, which go into a pool, with provider reimbursement, which goes for their treatment. the money saved from your overlapped plan goes to pay for the gap for plans that expire just before the changeover.
don't be a big baby. - dirk gently
Wrong - Kaiser does not pay my asshold Republican boss pays and because he does he does not give me and his other employees the raise that we should get to offset the higher taxes that I will happily pay in order to have insurance that has nothing to do with his sorry ass.
you big baby?
deep thought: if the cavemen had been libertarians, they never would have survived long enough to evolve.
dirk gently,sociopathetic
Might you have a newsletter available?
rootless,
That's dated a month ago, long before the report that he's ragging on progressives.
Suck it, TCB. We should give your shitty state back to Mexico.
How's your sister, by the way?
deep thought: if the cavemen had been libertarians, they never would have survived long enough to evolve.
dirk gently,sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:44 pm | #
(dateline Spain) Archeologists today unearthed a copy of a stone book titled "Uggg shrugged" in a cave occupied by Neanderthals and suggested that they may have found an explanation for the extinction of the Neanderthals.
JP, you still here?
How many folks showed up for the tea bagging protest?
It's more likely that he is too stupid and ignorant to understand that democratic "moderates" might sink the plan.
/Brilliant Progressive Analyst.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
He certainly isn't stupid or ignorant - I think he is letting others do the dirty work publicly.
The wind is at his back, not the Landrieus and Ben Nelsons of the world.
Why isn't Chilifarts out teabagging?
And we are called the racists?
Only because you are.
That WashingComPost story is by Ceci Connelly, who blatantly lied in an interview with a pub opt. advocate from OpenLeft, just the other day.
I agree that we should keep the heat on Obama and the feckless bought-and-paid-for "centrist" democrats until they are more wary of us than their own corporate owner/donors, and primary them whenever possible, but consider the source for these (anonymous spokesperson) quotes.
Ceci has multiple reasons to lie, or misrepresent the context of what was said.
(dateline Spain) Archeologists today unearthed a copy of a stone book titled "Uggg shrugged" in a cave occupied by Neanderthals and suggested that they may have found an explanation for the extinction of the Neanderthals.
trool bang rocks together!
in addition tro which, purely pragmatically, the lack of universal healthcare is harmful to society as a whole. avoiding that sort of thing is the reason we have "society" in the first place.
That's kinda where I was going with enlightened and intelligent!
What's the point of organizing ourselves into a community, society, civilization, nation, state, whatever? To benefit ourselves collectively with economies of scale, etc.
What you want to watch on TV? Individual choice. Driving rules? Societal. Deciding to deal with disease and such that can cripple a society? Hmm...lemme think on that for a minute, just as soon as this brain tumor recedes totally on its own.
Oh I forgot there was supposed to be "Teabag protests" today. So did everyone else apparently.
And we are called the racists? Makes me sick inside.
Makes you sick to finally realize you are?
Why isn't Chilifarts out teabagging?
Terry C - Castrating B*tch
How has the teabagging been going? Haven't heard a thing about it today? Probably hundreds have shown up.
What the fuck is wrong with Haloscan?
I blame... NTodd. And socialists. Also.
Oh, the words may be coming out of Obama's mouth, but Rahmbo wrote 'em.
Obama called someone a motherfucker today?
Driving rules? Societal.
COMMUNIST! Let the "market" decide!
I have a better way for the teabaggers to protest:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/u73FlxlH.gif
anybody here ever have Constant Comment tea?
very nice 'caffeinated' tea.
orange rinds ground up with the tea.
quite fragrant.
Wrong - Kaiser does not pay my asshold Republican boss pays
no, he pays for the policy he contracted to pay for. kaiser pays for the care. look, it may not be 100% fair to every individual and some people may get a little benefit because of a gap and others may have to suck it up for a couple of months. compared to the 47 million that have been without any care at all for however long, i just don't think it's that big of a deal. it isn't like saying "gays have to pay extra" or even "republicans should pay more." it's non-discriminatory because it's essentially random.
if it's that big of a deal, give a tax credit to business that overlap, and charge an extra tax fee to those with a gap. it isn't really that complicated. not enough to stop the whole process dead in it's tracks.
Drinking Water is not an entitlement, it's something that needs to be earned with hard work.
That's dated a month ago, long before the report that he's ragging on progressives.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:46 pm | #
OFA is a total Obama creation, one reason I don't work much with it, and it's been actively lobbying both Democratic and Republican reps for months. If he actually thought it was bad to apply pressure like that, why would Plouffe have been working on it full time.
In any case, it seems a waste of time to get worked up every time Obama says something supportive of the corrupt shitheels he has to depend on on DC. The battle is on, the administration offers a reasonably decent plan, the opposition is not the administration but is in the Senate.
Buckeye
Gorgeous yellow.
Haloscan,
I'll turn you into a newt as soon as look at you
not having water is a great motivator.
especially for grade school students.
"It's not only an entitlement, it's a freakin' right."
"Healthcare" and "life" are not synonymous.
This debate gets oversimplified. What exactly do people mean by "health care"? Does that include unlimited prescription drugs? Surgeries?
We come at this issue from the wrong direction, imo. It's kind of absurd that we have the obesity rate we do and then get all worked up about health costs.
Maybe if we weren't a nation of flabby fatasses, we wouldn't need all the "health care" that costs so damn much.
And we are called the racists?
Well, if the jackboot fits...
If everyone who "worked hard" had affordable health care there wouldn't be a health care crisis.
Diane C.: How many folks showed up for the tea bagging protest?
Dunno, but I suspect zero.
The scooter shop was closed today (a last-minute call), so I didn't head out thataways. However, it seems the Nashville teabagging was on Thursday. I *did* encounter about a dozen people with anti-Obama signs on my way back from the east side, Thursday evening.
"Healthcare" and "life" are not synonymous.
Go get breast cancer and then come back and tell us this. You are full of shit.
Jeffraham...
I couldn't swing that, but my first EVER NFL game was the Buffalo wild card game, a/k/a "Music City Miracle."
Ohh...what a game, what an ending.
I love telling the story of what a difference ten seconds make. People around us were bitching "this was the worst game EVER" when it looked like we'd lost.
Ten seconds later, ..bedlam. People were just bellowing for joy, as you know, crying, hugging each other, and yelling "This! Was! The! Greatest! Game! Eveh !!!!!"...
Man.
My husband and I had season tickets and by pure luck, won the lottery on Super Bowl tickets and bought them at face value. We struggled over selling them but decided to take the opportunity and go. The seats were terrible but we were there.
McNair was some kinda warrior, never giving up, popping up like a cork when it looked like he was sacked.
I'm glad you saw the Buffalo game. I'll remember that as long as I live.
BTW..MAN, you were spoiled on your first game, weren't you? 
Hi NTodd, El Gato, Hecate, and anyone else who might remember me. I'm finally getting divorced. I've missed you.
I put Palin's resignation to verse, only leaving out the really boring parts. Here it is:
http://www.blackveils.com/palin0709.htm
Peace y'all.
gangs with clubs beating fledgling labour unions.
or
**the health care debate**
We come at this issue from the wrong direction, imo. It's kind of absurd that we have the obesity rate we do and then get all worked up about health costs.
Maybe if we weren't a nation of flabby fatasses, we wouldn't need all the "health care" that costs so damn much.
Nope. Because the costs of health care were higher than in other comparable countries long before the 'obesity epidemic'.
happy divorcing Speedy.
may it be quick and painless.
GravatarTony Blankley agrees with Bill Kristol that she has performed such a diabolical mind-fuck that we can't possibly know what she is doing which only makes her stronger.
Karatist Preacher
Or she's a crazy quitter nobody needs.
"Healthcare" and "life" are not synonymous.
Bullshit.
If everyone who "worked hard" had affordable health care there wouldn't be a health care crisis.
Agreed. Whole lot of people working hard today at jobs w no health care. And children w no health care: are they supposed to work hard, too? Old folks?
The document we celebrate today talks about certain unalienable rights, among them "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
It's not only an entitlement, it's a freakin' right.
Unamerican moron.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
I'd like to hear the response if any reporter had the balls to directly ask each senator opposed to universal health care, "So who exactly do you think should be denied health care?"
Make them answer without trying to squirm out of it talking about costs, etc.
"No. Who should be allowed to die instead of getting health care? The person who works 2 jobs for about 60 hours a week where neither employer doesn't supply health benefits? The kid whose parent lost his or her job and now doesn't have health benefits? Please tell me, who exactly should not be entitled to health care?"
and "fred" goes full-metal Mimi.
Setting phasers on ignore.
let's get obese and moonwalk.
Speedy!!!!!!!!!
That WashingComPost story is by Ceci Connelly, ...
¡El Gato Negro! | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:47 pm | #
Ah, Ceci! One of the "spite girls".
How has the teabagging been going? Haven't heard a thing about it today? Probably hundreds have shown up.
Supreme Commander Thor
Only thing I saw was on the regional cable news channel. Being generous, I'd say there were about 30 "patriots" at the protest.
The costs of health care were higher than in other comparable countries long before the 'obesity epidemic'.
Echidne
Absolutely.
let me be clear on what i meant earlier: the single payer insurance would not, on the day it took effect, relieve insurance companies of their obligations to pay claims as long as they were still charging premiums. so if kaiser wouldn't let the employer out of his contract, they wouldn't just get to keep all the money and not have to pay any claims. the money that they pay out would not also have to be paid by the gov't single payer plan, thus saving some of the universal pool, reducing costs for everyone.
Si, Ceci.
Pfui.
Tony Blankley agrees with Bill Kristol that she has performed such a diabolical mind-fuck that we can't possibly know what she is doing which only makes her stronger.
Karatist Preacher
the blank crystal
a non-phenomenen
And children w no health care: are they supposed to work hard, too?
Hecate
Look, dammit. We would still have a thriving textile industry in this country if 10-year-olds were allowed to pick the seeds out of the machinery.
The battle is on, the administration offers a reasonably decent plan, the opposition is not the administration but is in the Senate.
indeed. Obama was pushing the public option in the primaries (as were other candidates).
..
Speedy - peace and godspeed(y)...
Only thing I saw was on the regional cable news channel. Being generous, I'd say there were about 30 "patriots" at the protest.
Caepan
Yeah, the wingers are gonna take back the country.
Wait, I need to check the temperature in Hell--
T4TN: I'm glad you saw the Buffalo game. I'll remember that as long as I live.
BTW..MAN, you were spoiled on your first game, weren't you?
I never had any great interest in the game until then, so I owe my relative fanaticism to that game, yeah.
And yes, I stayed an hour past the clock winding down.
dirk gently,sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:55 pm | #
I can't begin to follow and comprehend this.
we don't have that issue here.
the conservatives would love dearly to chip away at our health care, and they are, but they can't be overt whatsover.
the most admired Canadian, in a CBC tv series poll, is Tommy Douglas, who brought in universal health care.
We come at this issue from the wrong direction, imo. It's kind of absurd that we have the obesity rate we do and then get all worked up about health costs.
people with regular preventative care and health education tend not to be so obese as those without. another case where lack of care costs more than the care itself.
like the old fram filter ad - pay me now, or pay me later.
although fram didn't give the third option, "or die, slowly and painfully"
eing generous, I'd say there were about 30 "patriots" at the protest.
Caepan
¡Speedy!
Here's wishing you a most felicitous separation.
What's inalienable about 'life' is that you live in relative safety and without fear of being harmed by either your government or your neighbor. 'Life' does not mean a free viagara for all.
'Life , liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' are essentially synonyms in the constitutional context.
Party of Life -- unless you're outside the vagina, of course.
No Health care
No Dental
No Vacation time
Two jobs
"Go get breast cancer and then come back and tell us this. You are full of shit."
Really? Please show me in a dictionary that "health care" and "life" are synonyms. What you said is a non sequitur.
We're all going to die, so this notion that somehow the government protects our lives indefinitely is a perversion of what Jefferson wrote. The issue is about equitable protection against unforeseen calamities. That's what insurance is, and that's what we should be aiming for with health care policy.
But I don't think we've even begun to have a proper conversation about what we think is a baseline of care and how that relates to quality of life.
Speedy!
the conservatives would love dearly to chip away at our health care, and they are, but they can't be overt whatsover.
i recently read a canadian medical association journal article about the debate on whther to allow private insurance coverage.
they were strongly against it. and rightly so.
Maybe if we weren't a nation of flabby fatasses, we wouldn't need all the "health care" that costs so damn much.
fred | 07.04.09 - 6:51 pm | #
We still would.
Having said that, giving people incentives to get their weight down, stop smoking, exercise, eat well, etc. can only be a good thing.
My medical insurance reimburses a percentage of my health club membership, provided I go 50 times in a six month period and give them a verified written record of my visits. That's an additional incentive to go.
Founding Fathers:
'Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
nation-founding Puritans:
kill the pursuit of pleasure.
CRAZY MAKING.
Outside the vagina, it's "fuck you -- I got mine, get your own!"
look, dammit. We would still have a thriving textile industry in this country if 10-year-olds were allowed to pick the seeds out of the machinery.
jac, satyrical | 07.04.09 - 6:55 pm | #
The 'good ol' days' when little boys knew the value of an honest day's work!
http://images.google.com/imgres?...sa%3DN%26um%
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'Life , liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' are essentially synonyms in the constitutional context.
Nope. See rules of interpretation Law School 101.
"Nope. Because the costs of health care were higher than in other comparable countries long before the 'obesity epidemic'."
I'm pretty sure we've been relative fatasses for a long time now.
No Health care
No Dental
No Vacation time
Two jobs
Been There Done That
"It's uniquely Murkan."
/George Wanker Bush
"No. Who should be allowed to die instead of getting health care? The person who works 2 jobs for about 60 hours a week where neither employer doesn't supply health benefits? The kid whose parent lost his or her job and now doesn't have health benefits? Please tell me, who exactly should not be entitled to health care?"
Integral ♠ Lit |
Oh, yeah....what you said.
This is what drives me to despair: why do "progressives" automatically believe what Ceci writes in Freds liar journal?
Talk about "lucy and the football".
I'm pretty sure we've been relative fatasses for a long time now.
fred
I never realized that being overweight was a death penalty offense.
Bigass Palin scandal brewing (involving money, not sex)--details already seeping out. The GOP is sooooooo fucked!
If any asshole wants to tell me in person how I didn't work hard enough to deserve health care in those jobs where I could not get it, I'll gladly let them file some dental claims.
What's inalienable about 'life' is that you live in relative safety and without fear of being harmed by either your government or your neighbor. 'Life' does not mean a free viagara for all.
Yet it does mean "not dying from preventable diseases."
'Life , liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' are essentially synonyms in the constitutional context.
"Pursuit of happiness" means, as does "general welfare" (which is actually in our Constitution) "health"...which requires..."healthcare". Odd, that.
I'm pretty sure we've been relative fatasses for a long time now.
fred
fuck off. libertarian whiner.
Oh, and there is a new nym for Bill Kristol, courtesy of a poster this morning who signed her/his posts:
Kristol Meth
OK, I'm tired of fussing with haloscan and I need to contemplate bonus critter blogging.
Be back after a brief nap.
Kindly do not start the revolution without me.
health care: yes.
dental: no
vacation: because contract work 'slows down'
jobs: 4
uniquely canadian.
stanman | 07.04.09 - 7:00 pm
So, you slept the last 24 hours?
You're still playing catch up, gatito.
I'm pretty sure we've been relative fatasses for a long time now.
Not like more recently. Note also that obesity doesn't explain those higher health care costs. It might account for some minor percentage of them but not most.
What explains them is the prices of the composite parts of health care in this country.
"Bullshit."
Tell it to Webster's.
where neither employer supplies health benefits?
Ooops. Should have proof read better. Egg on my face.
Outside the vagina, it's "fuck you -- I got mine, get your own!"
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 6:59 pm | #
--
Didn't groucho marx say that?
the most admired Canadian, in a CBC tv series poll, is Tommy Douglas, who brought in universal health care.
Mabel's Wig Shack
I remember when CBC Radio One's film reviewer reported on "Sicko". He couldn't believe that health care in the US was so bad. People in Canada complain about stuff, but it's nothing like what Americans go through.
Jeffraham, I never really understood the appeal of football until the Titans came to town, despite being married to a sports fanatic.
There's something about being outdoors under the skies and making a fool of yourself in public that's exhilarating.
(Wait a second, that sounds like Sarah Palin.)
And ....rooting your home team on, and being proud. That was an awesome year. The first year in the stadium, and a perfect home record.
Tell it to Webster's.
I have a better idea.
YOU "tell it" to killfile.
"Go get breast cancer and then come back and tell us this. You are full of shit."
Really? Please show me in a dictionary that "health care" and "life" are synonyms. What you said is a non sequitur.
Ah, the Dictionary Gambit.
Hecate cited reality. She cited life. Real life.
If we're a real society, life = healthcare. Without healthcare, there really isn't life worth speaking of. Nasty, brutish, short.
Get over it.
I don't give a flying fuck what they meant when they wrote those words 200+ years ago. Today, in the real world, you can't have a successful first world country without providing decent affordable health care to its citizens.
Just out of curiosity, what's the law concerning capturing an eagle?
Raining nicely, now.
'Life' does not mean a free viagara for all.
That's what insurance is, and that's what we should be aiming for with health care policy.
piffle. 1) who the fuck said it does? and 2) nonsense. preventative care can prevent (hence the name) unforseen calamaties. are we as a society better off if women get mammograms and men get prostate exams, or if we just wait for the "unforseen" onset of cancer and then try to deal with that?
sure there may be (and will be) an ongoing debate of what is covered and what isn't. i'm sure there is in every other country in the world that already has universal health. i'd drop viagra, add birth control, and pay dr kevorkian to train an army of compassionate end-givers for those who need them. your mileage may vary. but that's the type of argument society should be having, not whether to provide care at all.
Welcome home, Speedy! Let her go; slam shut the back door and open the front one wide.
Ho-nin'myo is a Buddhist term that means the past is essentially dead, only the karma from the experiences remain. All we have is the present and the future, so we can begin anew. May you become very happy.
Just out of curiosity, what's the law concerning capturing an eagle?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.04.09 - 7:03 pm | #
wear very thick gloves.
ok, that's not so much a law as good advice.
it's "fuck you -- I got mine, get your own!"
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
The Libertarian AND Republican creeds.
I don't give a flying fuck what they meant when they wrote those words 200+ years ago. Today, in the real world, you can't have a successful first world country without providing decent affordable health care to its citizens.
The Old Man From Scene 24
I think "support the general welfare" covers it, no?
Outside the vagina, it's "fuck you -- I got mine, get your own!"
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
So inside the vagina, it's "fuck me"? Sorry, I couldn't resist . . .
I remember when CBC Radio One's film reviewer reported on "Sicko". He couldn't believe that health care in the US was so bad. People in Canada complain about stuff, but it's nothing like what Americans go through.
Caepan | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:02 pm | #
probably not.
Just out of curiosity, what's the law concerning capturing an eagle?
Bald Eagles are off the endangered species list (a very high profile success story) but State laws may still exist to protect them.
Tell it to Webster's.
Webster's isn't life, either.
Ho-nin'myo is a Buddhist term that means the past is essentially dead, only the karma from the experiences remain. All we have is the present and the future, so we can begin anew. May you become very happy.
wiley | 07.04.09 - 7:04 pm | #
that is an interesting term and concept.
Integral ♠ Lit: So inside the vagina, it's "fuck me"? Sorry, I couldn't resist . . .
No -- inside the vagina, it's "every sperm is sacred."
I never realized that being overweight was a death penalty offense.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:00 pm | #
i only weigh 150, work 50 hours a week, and have no healthcare.
splain please.
I think "support the general welfare" covers it, no?
Good point. Yes.
Outside the vagina, it's "fuck you -- I got mine, get your own!"
A little known subclause in the fine print of (music swells, sobbing sounds...) "The Right Wing Love of the Sanctity of Life "...
Amen.
After they're born, screw 'em.
I think "support the general welfare" covers it, no?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | 07.04.09 - 7:05 pm | #
welfare is for lazy commies. we all know that.
See rules of interpretation
Those three words are beside each other in the same sentence because they all state the same thing and together contribute to the same meaning. Reading healthcare as 'right' into the single word life in that sentence is certainly an error.
The 'general welfare' is an abstract way of defining the role of government. That would include general things first, like public safety. In the 18th century context government sponsored healthcare would be a highly unique and specific idea, if not revolutionary. It's not what they meant.
McNair's Gridiron9 restaurant on Jefferson St. near TSU (not a great part of town) opened just two weeks ago. 
ok, that's not so much a law as good advice.
dirk gently,sociopathetic
Yeah, and I think "point box away from face when releasing" is a good one too, which it looks like Palin didn't do. And anyways, where do you get your hands on a protected National Bird type species, anyway?
Why do Rethugs lack compassion? Is it a genetic flaw?
No -- inside the vagina, it's "every sperm is sacred."
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
Not in this vagina. No sperm has a fucking chance. . . Oh, that's right. Once women are past child-bearing age their value decreases exponentially.
"Not like more recently. Note also that obesity doesn't explain those higher health care costs. It might account for some minor percentage of them but not most.
What explains them is the prices of the composite parts of health care in this country."
--Echidne
Not sure if I understand you second paragraph, but seems like obesity can lead to many illnesses. Diabetes, high blood pressure, certain cancers--I can't remember them all right now.
Certainly, early intervention could help prevent some type 2 diabetes, but that means basic lifestyle changes, including eating habits (I'm looking at the food industry here) and exercise.
I never realized that being overweight was a death penalty offense.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch
i only weigh 150, work 50 hours a week, and have no healthcare.
splain please.
dirk gently,sociopathetic
"fred" seems to believe that anyone who is overweight should denied health care.
so this guy convicted of shooting and eating a bald eagle convinces the judge he knows he made a terrible mistake.
judge lets him off with a warning.
"But before you go" says the judge, 'Could you tell me what it tasted like?"
'It tastes a lot like whooping crane your honour' comes the reply.
I think "support the general welfare" covers it, no?
Good point. Yes.
Indeed, this is central to my point.
'cept it's "promote" not "support." And don't forget Article I, Section 8...
In the 18th century context washing one's hands before applying the leaches would be a highly unique and specific idea
just sayin.
Why do Rethugs lack compassion? Is it a genetic flaw?
wiley
If they had any compassion, they wouldn't BE rat wingers.
When did everyone become a jerk?
'It tastes a lot like whooping crane your honour' comes the reply.
Mabel's Wig Shack
Why do Rethugs lack compassion? Is it a genetic flaw?
wiley
Proverbs: When we go to feed the poor, the wicked ask why.
2:30 last Thursday.
While traveling through the valley of the shadow of death.
With a double latte decaf.
OK - chikken's done, leftover steaks, done, potatoes and onions still cooking.
I dont believe that a 98 score on a Federal job means that there's no requirement to interview. I believe that the chanbge in fiscal year means that there will be an interview. A 98 along with a veterans 5 point bump? would require that the vet had a 93 - or a 103 point rating. Nevertheless - the list contains ME. And in that list there may well be some other folks, but their scores arent going to exempt me.
I think. Btw, there are some really, really nice little townhouses on Ft. George Meade for no more than around 899/month. Arthur thinks they are very nice places.
Wooops, "Promote" the general welfare. 5 demerits...
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.04.09 - 7:10 pm | #
terrible, eh?
When did everyone become a jerk?
AndyG | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:10 pm | #
for me, it was june, 2002.
Let me guess "benny" has health care coverage, so fuck everyone else?
I have health care coverage too, but its not because I'm better than anyone else or "work harder". We all lose because of this fucked up system.
"Note also that obesity doesn't explain those higher health care costs. It might account for some minor percentage of them but not most."
I was recently looking at racial differentials in life expectancy, when some shithead troll was babbling about black men shooting each other.
Turns out that 15% of the differential was attributable to hypertension, followed by diabetes, AIDS, and homicide. The first two of those are very much related to obesity, and the third one has more to do with education and poverty differentials.
Taking a country like Japan as a norm, you could first factor out transportation fatalities and homicidal violence differentials. Even if you pulled those out, there's still going to be a lifespan differential. Environmental factors like pollution are a wash, so it's going to come down to genes and lifestyle. They may have some genetic advantage, but the vast differences between their obesity rate and ours almost certainly explains most of the difference.
I am not saying in any way shape or form that the lack of universal coverage in the US doesn't have an effect, but rather pointing out we need to stop thinking how to take care of being ill and learning how to make our society healthy.
Prevention is almost always a much better strategy than reactive, intensive medical intervention. The fact that we have 50 million uninsured only exacerbates this, by giving people incentive to use emergency services (which are mandated as free to those who can't pay) and not go in for regular care (which isn't free, or is only available in a limited capacity).
the most admired Canadian, in a CBC tv series poll, is Tommy Douglas, who brought in universal health care.
Mabel's Wig Shack
Tommy was the shiznit all right. They didn't call it the NDP in those days I believe- plain ol' socialists they were - the CCF. Proud as hell of that guy. A very decent human
In the 18th century context washing one's hands before applying the leaches would be a highly unique and specific idea
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don't bleach the leech!
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person has been weighed and found wanting...
Let me guess "benny" has health care coverage
"benny" is on his mommy's plan.
(which are mandated as free to those who can't pay)
Bzzzt!
Nope.
Not even close.
Why do Rethugs lack compassion? Is it a genetic flaw?
wiley
Not from their POV, because it's an entrance requirement...
""fred" seems to believe that anyone who is overweight should denied health care."
"Seems to" being the operative phrase.
I also believe that I should talk to JA Jance and have her go to my hairdresser to have her white hairs rinsed out of all teh yellow. It would only be friendly.
Tommy was the shiznit all right. They didn't call it the NDP in those days I believe- plain ol' socialists they were - the CCF. Proud as hell of that guy. A very decent human
troll-baiter | 07.04.09 - 7:12 pm | #
yep CCF.
wasn't Tommy the premier of Saskatchewan at the time?
Good old 'social gospel' United Church of Canada minister.
Mabel's WS -
Reminded me of my dad - he had a very similar sense of humor. I even remember a specific joke about eating Whooping Crane . . . Thanks for that little reminder.
I love the Canadian national anthem and the drunken bombastic waltz we have isn't bad if played as such.
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person has been weighed and found wanting...
NTodd,שלו
Not on MY bathroom scale, I aint...
Welcome home, Speedy! Let her go; slam shut the back door and open the front one wide.
Ho-nin'myo is a Buddhist term that means the past is essentially dead, only the karma from the experiences remain. All we have is the present and the future, so we can begin anew. May you become very happy.
wiley
Thanks wiley (and everybody). Everything will be fine if I can just remember to eat.
"which are mandated as free to those who can't pay"
Hospitals cannot deny emergency care. They can try to bill someone later, but they can't deny entrance at the door.
That's what I meant.
Now what I want to see is single payer health care, combined with the legalization of medical marijuana.
That would be the bestest 4th of July EVAH!
Not even close.
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
it's a popular misapprehension. i blame bush.
Good thoughts sent Speedy's way.
' you can't have a successful first world country without providing decent affordable health care to its citizens.
The Old Man From Scene 24'
That's what gummint is actually FOR, innit?
"Seems to" being the operative phrase.
fred | 07.04.09 - 7:13 pm | #
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fred is it true that you believe a person weighing 650 pounds should not be granted a free crane-lift weekly from his bedroom to the medical clinic?
The US Constitution is a charter of negative, not positve liberty. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are independent 'states' not to be encroached on by government. They are not things to be set up, established, and mid-wifed by the government.
Reminded me of my dad - he had a very similar sense of humor. I even remember a specific joke about eating Whooping Crane . . . Thanks for that little reminder.
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.04.09 - 7:14 pm | #
heh. great!
That's what gummint is actually FOR, innit?
not if you're a wingnut. They are objectively anti-civilization.
god I hate the libertarian drivel. It's the combination of utter ignorance about how business and government work with the smug self-congratulation that makes it so irritating.
Hi Speedy, my best to you too.
How can I be depressed and be taking the max Wellbutrin?
Jesus, my parent just went home after they wore me out.
They visited everything up here like it was there last time.
"fred" seems to believe that anyone who is overweight should denied health care.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:09 pm | #
I'd like to see a system that includes incentives for getting healthier, rather than one that punishes people for not taking better care of themselves. A strong, healthy body feels good.
But shit happens even to very healthy people. My mother was incredibly healthy and lived to be 88 ... except she should have lived a lot longer. She got a transfusion of tainted blood when she was 40, which gave her hepatitis, which in turn eventually caused the liver cancer that killed her. She lived 16 years longer than expected, and had a very high quality of life, because she took very good care of herself.
When did everyone become a jerk?
AndyG
It seemed to into hyperdrive about the time of Paul Wellstone's memorial service.
fred I was just bugging you with proving a negative.
just 'larking' around.
Good old 'social gospel' United Church of Canada minister.
Baptist I think.
Neither more nor less - Big Bill Aberhart of Alberta - Social Credit demanded that human beings be taken care of, and that monies be paid. Wacky.
Former NFL quarterback McNair killed in Tennessee
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair and a woman were found shot to death Saturday inside a residence in Nashville, police said.
Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron confirmed that authorities were called to a condominium and found McNair and a woman shot to death inside. Aaron said police don't yet know the circumstances of the shootings.
How long will THAT last?
http://www.comcast.net/articles/
...Palin.Resigning
Research has shown that as weight increases to reach the levels referred to as "overweight" and "obesity," the risks for the following conditions also increases:
Coronary heart disease
Type 2 diabetes
Cancers (endometrial, breast, and colon)
Hypertension (high blood pressure)
Dyslipidemia (for example, high total cholesterol or high levels of triglycerides)
Stroke
Liver and Gallbladder disease
Sleep apnea and respiratory problems
Osteoarthritis (a degeneration of cartilage and its underlying bone within a joint)
Gynecological problems (abnormal menses, infertility)
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/cause...ses/
health.html
So, you slept the last 24 hours?
You're still playing catch up, gatito.
I slow down on the holidays... Anyways, Max Blumenthal at The Daily Beast has the details. If true, old Sarah could be looking at some time in the pokey.
god I hate the libertarian drivel. It's the combination of utter ignorance about how business and government work with the smug self-congratulation that makes it so irritating.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
It's pure self-centeredness.
Also, I am worried that I sent out cover letters without signing them.
I probably did, but it is like when you drive back home to check that you unplugged the iron only to find out you have.
The US Constitution is a charter of negative, not positve liberty.
Actually, it's a charter of negative powers, with all liberties being positively reserved to the people. And one power granted to Congress? Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To...provide for the...general Welfare of the United States." So if a right is not denied to the people, and Congress is not restricted from providing something...gosh, it seems like we can have healthcare!
Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are...
...from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Look it up.
Local news WSMV says MNPD spokesman Don Aaron has confirmed the female victim at the crime scene was McNair's wife.
not that it has any bearing, but that jesus guy seemed pretty keen on caring for the sick.
Baptist I think.
Neither more nor less - Big Bill Aberhart of Alberta - Social Credit demanded that human beings be taken care of, and that monies be paid. Wacky.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 07.04.09 - 7:18 pm | #
you're right. Baptist.
I'm surprised admittedly.
How can I be depressed and be taking the max Wellbutrin?
Jesus, my parent just went home after they wore me out.
They visited everything up here like it was there last time.
I loved Wellbutrin. You take care of yourself. Honest to Chuy, YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
stanman:
You HAVE to catch The Speech.
A real "WTF" moment.
s
there = their
If true, old Sarah could be looking at some time in the pokey.
have they built a Federal facility for corrupt Republicans yet?
Proverbs: When we go to feed the poor, the wicked ask why.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
A billboard over the busiest section of freeway in the country would be a dynamite place for that one...
If true, old Sarah could be looking at some time in the pokey.
She was very nervous when she gave the speech, that's for sure.
CORRECTION: MNPD says the female victim is NOT Michelle McNair.
a jumpy jumpy mavericky moment.
wasn't Tommy the premier of Saskatchewan at the time?
from wiki: forming the first democratic socialist government in not only Canada, but all of North America.
Douglas and the Saskatchewan CCF then went on to win five straight majority victories in all subsequent Saskatchewan provincial elections up to 1960
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom...i/
Tommy_Douglas
Heyblowme-O-Scan musta got a deal on Internal Server Errors, because it's handing them as door prizes every time you enter today...
bottom line is this:
we have the wealthiest, most medically advanced society in the history of the world. we can afford to provide reasonable healthcare for all, and we can't afford not to. because it is morally right, the human thing to do, and from a strictly practical standpoint the smart thing to do.
not sharing the burden equally to provide medical care to all is stupid, mean, short-sighted, selfish and just generally assholey.
This Cartoon is funny because Uncle Sam's suitcase is full of candy and flowers.
MNPD says the female victim is NOT Michelle McNair.
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby
I have watched to many Law and Orders and CSIs. I'm thinking I'd be looking for Michelle McNair then . . .
you're right. Baptist.
I'm surprised admittedly.
Mabel's Wig Shack
There are lots of Baptists besides Southern Baptists.
They were the biggest supporters of Jefferson's idea of separation of church and state. A lot of those Baptists still around.
Lots of "liberal" Baptists, too.
Could they replace Michael Steele with Sarah Palin?
Would they?
HOWARD ZINN QUESTIONS WHETHER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR WAS NECESSARY
He says no. I kinda agree. Canada didn't need one.
yes.
after years of Law and Order my first thought too was
'a female victim also?'
The Feds should have the following:
1) Universal coverage for catastrophic illness
2) No more "pre-existing" condition bullshit in any form of coverage
3) Strong economic incentives for health-promoting behaviors
4) Public medical schools that cost nothing to attend
5) REQUIRED regular visits to primary care physicians, dentists, and opthamologists
That's a good starting baseline.
They also need to get this society unhooked from its car addiction, ramp up funding for physical education, and radically improve the quality of school lunches.
Dammit! I mean too many. I am the grammar error lady today. Fuck.
Proverbs: When we go to feed the poor, the wicked ask why.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
best part about that one is it doesn't even mention god.
in fact, a lot of the proverbs don't. they seem to suggest people should watch out for each other, and not just to earn a prize or avoid a spanking.
5) REQUIRED regular visits to primary care physicians, dentists, and opthamologists
if you require something, you have to have a punishment for noncompliance.
HOWARD ZINN QUESTIONS WHETHER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR WAS NECESSARY
He says no. I kinda agree. Canada didn't need one.
Heh, Ericka and I were just discussing that this morning. Not Zinn's piece, but the concept. We agreed with his thesis, though...
john the baptist was an ordained United Church of Canada minister.
I'm *pretty sure*
and not just to earn a prize or avoid a spanking.
a spanking! a spanking!
if your kid has a fever, how do you know if it's catastrophic until you go to the doctor?
I could have used Zinn when I was learning history the wrong way.
The Hudson's Bay Company told us we didn't require a revolution and we agreed.
i've got a tummy ache. could be gas, or could be appendicitis. guess i'll wait to see if it bursts and becomes "catastrophic"
And now it begins:
"I am deeply disappointed that the Governor has decided to abandon the State and her constituents before her term has concluded"
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...o_n_225722.html
Anyone heard from Ted Stevens?
a spanking! a spanking!
The Old Man From Scene 24
dor sume of us, it seems, a spanking IS a prize.
Police are ruling out a deranged Steeler fan still mad about the late 90s.
john the baptist was an ordained United Church of Canada minister.
I'm *pretty sure*
Mabel's Wig Shack | 07.04.09 - 7:26 pm | #
i heard that he was its head.
Where I come from spanking costs extra.
http://rhinoparty.com/
Rhino Party of Canada is attempting a comeback after draconian legislation 'deregistered' them in 1993.
They were absurdist and often pulling in more votes than mainstream parties.
Support 'SarahPAC' keeps coming up on the homepage.
.
i heard that he was its head.
dirk gently,sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:30 pm | #
So I said, No. Take my wife!!!
Could they replace Michael Steele with Sarah Palin?
Would they?
ms fahrenheit
The FSM could never love us THAT much!
Found my cell phone. In the last place I looked. Between the sofa cushions, natch.
Support 'SarahPAC' keeps coming up on the homepage
i hope atrios collects lots from that one. hee hee.
TMZ scooped everyone on MJ.
If colonial American insurgents hadn't resisted the British army
we'd all be speaking English today!
.
Found my cell phone. In the last place I looked.
i always look in a couple of more places, just to be sure.
I have watched to many Law and Orders and CSIs. I'm thinking I'd be looking for Michelle McNair then . . .
Integral ♠ Lit
Spouse is always the first one they look for...
Please Dog, let me win Powerball tonight...
ha
He says no. I kinda agree. Canada didn't need one.
Penguin Fan
So that Britain could pay for the French and Indian War, American colonists were taxed. Probably more important was that American colonists were not allowed to move west of the Appalachins, to keep the peace with the Natives that fought for Britain.
Canadian settlers (at least the English ones) didn't have the issues at the time of the mid-1770s that the American colonists had. Hell, the Crown expanded Quebec down to the Ohio River valley just to piss us off.
and not just to earn a prize or avoid a spanking.
it is always in the last place you look (unless you are dirk).
it is always in the last place you look (unless you are dirk).
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:34 pm | #
i look for the spanking first.
And I turned on and tried out the "Find my phone feature", which zoomed in on a world map and showed me it was at my house. If I had thought to turn it on, before, I coulda saved a trip to the lab.
Live and learn. Which, to connect the threads, is more than soon-to-be-ex Gov Palin seems to do.
Caepan
I would just add one more thing, and that is the fear and loathing of the papists.
Canadian settlers (at least the English ones) didn't have the issues at the time of the mid-1770s that the American colonists had. Hell, the Crown expanded Quebec down to the Ohio River valley just to piss us off.
Caepan | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:33 pm | #
that's info I've never even heard before! Isn't the Ohio River valley in.......Ohio? Wait, there wouldn't be an Ohio then would there?
Live and learn. Which, to connect the threads, is more than soon-to-be-ex Gov Palin seems to do.
Also.
Gromit -- I hope you tried *calling* it, first.
going to see mrs g downstairs. bbl, maybe.
i always look in a couple of more places, just to be sure.
dirk gently,sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:33 pm | #
that's quite Pythonesque!
Jeffraham, my thoughts exactly!
stupid cut and paste.
Spouse is always the first one they look for...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
"Before you look at the outlaws, look at the in-laws."
Terry C -
Has Eminnem won an Emmy?
The Quebec Act of 1774:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Act
K I'm going to go celebrate the holiday by drinking an English Strongbow cider and reading a book written by a Canadian.
..
Hell, the Crown expanded Quebec down to the Ohio River valley just to piss us off.
Canada will do anything to win the Stanley Cup again.
"If guns were outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"
[Ducks as things are thrown]
(Disclaimer - the above is does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the writer)
A law enforcement source close to the investigation said the woman is McNair's girlfriend and that the residence is her condominium.
I have a working theory on this crime.
The lesson that the ruthless corners of the political world will take from the rise, fall, and departure of Sarah Palin that if you attack a politician’s children nastily enough and relentlessly enough, you can get anybody to quit.
1.) Irrational feeling that I sent out cover letters without signature
2.) My parents seem to be 'finalizing' everything.
3.) I feel old and on the downhill slide instead of life just beginning.
4.) I hate my hair.
5.) I went to the movie by myself last night and I will probably go to fireworks by myself tonight.
Should I start drinking wine?
A law enforcement source close to the investigation said the woman is McNair's girlfriend and that the residence is her condominium.
I have a working theory on this crime.
Snugglebunny,seltzerPenguinFan
Hmmmm. I'm betting I'm going the same place here.
Serena won her 11th major title today.
thanks Caepan. I'll look it over
Terry C - Castrating B*tch | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:38 pm
Again, I am being name-stolen.
And the perp has also stolen my gravatar and homepage.
That 7:38 post was not me!
in fact, a lot of the proverbs don't. they seem to suggest people should watch out for each other,
PEACE is the prize.
While we celebrate our independence from England, let us remember,
THEY HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.
The lesson that the ruthless corners of the political world will take from the rise, fall, and departure of Sarah Palin that if you attack a politician’s children nastily enough and relentlessly enough, you can get anybody to quit.
The Clintons didn't. The Gores didn't.
Okay, I'm over myself. I apologize.
Ms. f. I'm kinda in the same place. Daughters went off different directions today - one with the ex and I was going to go until wicked SILs decided to join. Other out with friends. Was going to go to Jazz festival - rainy and shitty. Been grading papers and feeling sorry for myself just a little bit.
I think I can relate on some of the other points too. . . No wine for me though - it would only exacerbate the situation.
Should I start drinking wine?
ms fahrenheit
Not if you're gonna go to the fireworks. Wanna come up and help us pack?
And here's a hug, 'cause yer feeling blue. {{Ms F}}
That 7:38 post was not me!
Cowardly trolls are the worst kind.
ms fahrenheit:
1) you signed them - I watched you do it.
2) Your parents are fucking with your head (no offense). Some parents are good at that.
3) You are young and smart.
4) your hair looks great.
5) I've kicked myself for not going to things by myself and missing out. Enjoy the fireworks - you'll be with a bunch of people.
My conclusion - have some wine.
If Palin can't stand up to the Librul Media, how can we expect her to stand up to Al-Qaeda?
Integral Lit, Did you decide against streaking that parade?
Steve McNair and an unidentified woman were found dead in Nashville of gunshot wounds. Police believe it's a double homicide.
Damn.
And I know who namestole me at 7:38.
From earlier today:
The lesson that the ruthless corners of the political world will take from the rise, fall, and departure of Sarah Palin that if you attack a politician’s children nastily enough and relentlessly enough, you can get anybody to quit.
bill | 07.04.09 - 11:14 am
Caepan gives much better advice than I do. Also.
So a graduate student invites me to a July 4 lunch at my favorite watering hole/restaurant in Philly. So while at the bar who walks in - Atrios and a friend. I re-introduce myself (we met at early DLs and Eschacon I). Chat briefly.
Bartender leans in and says "Atrios, Agent Orange, what's with the code names?" I say if I told you you I'd have to kill you. He said, never mind, "getting the usual smoked fish platter?"
I said "yes".
.
Wanna come up and help us pack?
Thanks Gromit, and IL.
Gromit, only if I can hide IN the luggage. (I'll entertain the MIL and keep her busy!)
While we celebrate our independence from England, let us remember,
THEY HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.
Penguin Fan
That's right! GRRR!!!! (Shakes fist at universe)
That 7:38 post was not me!
Cowardly trolls are the worst kind.
T4TN
Anyone here know I am NOT going to defend Sarah Palin.
how can we expect her to stand up to Al-Qaeda?
Liberal media is much more of a threat to Real Americans. Didn't you get the message?
The Clintons didn't. The Gores didn't.
Or the Bushes, for that matter.
Sarah Palin is a giant WATB. Seriously, I'm sick of her perpetual victimhood. Put on your big boy pants, honey. This ain't a fucking tea party, it's leader of the free world.
So the marching band at my parade today plays "Thriller"
We are so clueless here.
The Hudson's Bay Company told us we didn't require a revolution and we agreed.
NOT.
I don't get to do my research at HBC this month. I am very saddened by this. But the truth is, Arthur would loose his mind in the monsoons without me to give him his Zoloft - to take care of him, to look after him. I am an old scholar. If I could, if there were any way, I would have had a family who would have looked after the homeplace. But there isn't anyone and thus, I cannot leave Arthur to fend for himself. It's the way it is.
Thanks Caepan.
You made me smile. I don't believe a word you say, but I smiled.
*gets out the big duffel bag*
British Immigration Officer: "What's this, then?"
Caepan gives much better advice than I do. Also.
Gromit
Unlike the rest of America, I don't charge for my health plan. FREE WINE!
Integral Lit, Did you decide against streaking that parade?
Gromit
Too cold and dreary. . . I need sunshine to show these tatas!
"We are the World" was kinda cool.
You made me smile. I don't believe a word you say, but I smiled.
ms fahrenheit
Hey, you always make US smile. It's only fair if we can return the favor once in a while.
It's what being a DFH is all about.
Anyone here know I am NOT going to defend Sarah Palin.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch
My apologies for answering the gutless troll when the answer so was obvious. I probably should have ignored it. I knew something was off base.
Christ, even her most clueless fans think she left to run for office in a stroke of GENIUS - so they're not trying that angle. And they're dumber than a box of rocks.
Okay, that's creepy.
Just saw an OxyClean commercial. With Billy Mays.
Brrrrrrr!
"We are the World" was kinda cool.
Penguin Fan | 07.04.09 - 7:49 pm | #
somone told me a church in the southern u.s. rerecorded that as 'god hates the world'
ever hear about that?
Steve McNair and an unidentified woman were found dead in Nashville of gunshot wounds. Police believe it's a double homicide.
I know I'm a broken record...
sarah is suspending her campaign to deal with the economic crisis.
FREE WINE!
Caepan
communist!
Okay, that's creepy.
Just saw an OxyClean commercial. With Billy Mays.
Brrrrrrr!
Terry C - Castrating B*tch-
No worse than watching Fred Astaire dance with a vacuum cleaner.
rerecorded that as 'god hates the world'
No it was God Bless America re-recorded as "God Forgive America."
Happy Independence Day.
Just say no to namestealing.
--Nancy ("BJ") Reagan
rerecorded that as 'god hates the world'
No it was God Bless America re-recorded as "God Forgive America."
Southern Beale | Homepage | 07.04.09 - 7:51 pm | #
ahh.....
and you know I can't even recall who told me this or where....but I think it was a day or so ago......
FREE WINE!
Caepan
communist!
stoat
Cheers, comrade!
(Or should I do that with vodka?)
Bill Burns from KDKA-TV said back then -"Why don't they send the pigeons from Gateway Center to Africa?"
He got in trouble.
Happy Independence Day.
Vicki
Happy Independence Day.
Vicki
I want the british back.
Happy INTERdependence Day.
Bill Burns from KDKA-TV said back then -"Why don't they send the pigeons from Gateway Center to Africa?"
I remember that!
Southern Beale -- everything anyone needs to know about Sarah Palin's reputation for "toughness" can be summarized in the emails about Todd's weirdo Alaskan group and her reaction to Katie Couric's question about what she read. JMO.
She's more thin-skinned and whiny than Dubya and I didn't think that was possible.
BTW, the news about McNair is just stunning, isn't it? There's a little discussion of it up thread, (down thread?). although very little is known right now.
Just..damn.
NTodd, I am always astounded at your ability to capture humanity in your photos.
Happy INTERdependence Day.
Southern Beale
Nice thought, SoBe. I love it.
I want the british back.
Penguin Fan
if the founding fathers could see the "president's race" which occurs at every nats home baseball game, they'd undoubtedly reconsider the whole independence thing.
Dear NRO Doods in serious denial, Palin used her own offspring as political props while you NRO brainiacs golf clapped. Sudden concern for her kids now is more than a bit disingenuous.
Fuck Haloscan with a baseball bat sideways.
Bernie Kosar is next.
Bill Burns from KDKA-TV said back then -"Why don't they send the pigeons from Gateway Center to Africa?"
He got in trouble.
Penguin Fan
Nice guy.
Have you heard that Rushbo is blaming the president for Michael Jackson's death?
He's really run off the rails.
Let me try this again:
Sure... now the weather clears up, the sun is FINALLY shining - and the wife is not feeling well enough to go out to see the fireworks.
Guess we'll be watching them on the TV. At least I can drink beer while I do it.
:-(
if the founding fathers could see the "president's race" which occurs at every nats home baseball game, they'd undoubtedly reconsider the whole independence thing.
stoat
Especially when Taft wins
I know I'm a broken record...
No. Thank you for that.
HOWARD ZINN QUESTIONS WHETHER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR WAS NECESSARY
He says no. I kinda agree. Canada didn't need one.
Yes they did. Still do.
I only need to look out my back window to see teh fireworks.
Fuck Haloscan with a baseball bat sideways.
Caepan |
Right click [back] then re-'Publish' usually wins.
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Canada is so oppressed by England.
Canada is so oppressed by England.
Penguin Fan | 07.04.09 - 8:00 pm | #
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They are. Franz Fanon save them. Poor devils.
I only need to look out my back window to see teh fireworks.
Penguin Fan
no wind to speak of tonight, so i'll probably hear them in an hour or so.
ain't goin' nowhere, though.
It was only after reading Zinn did I realize that Columbus was worse than Hitler.
He practically depopulated the Caribean.
I can see our local fireworks from my driveway. Pretty darn convenient.
Spent the day with my mom and brother and kids.
We had good eatage.
I can see Russia from my back window too.
I might-could see some marina fireworks.
Time to watch fireworks on the boob tube with the sickly missus. That, and Haloscan can lick where I shit.
Like Jesus told the Teamsters, "Don't do anything until I get back."
I can see Russia from my back window too.
Penguin Fan
i see paris i see france...
I could have seen Elvis Costello tonight for ten bucks.
Single payer is probably a pipe dream. Which means the US avoiding 3rd world status within the next decade or two is probably also a pipe dream. California seems to be getting there first. Failure to adopt single payer will ensure that the entire nation quickly follows.
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He's really run off the rails.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch-
He hasn't been on the rails for a long time now.
I could have seen Elvis Costello tonight for ten bucks.
AndyG
what's yer excuse?
"but the chad is not my son...."
i see paris i see france...
stoat | 07.04.09 - 8:06 pm | #
GravatarI could have seen Elvis Costello tonight for ten bucks.
AndyG |
I see Elvis' underpants!
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I will go, now.
He practically depopulated the Caribean.
Penguin Fan
In the poetry anthology I use (I'd look it up and quote it if were here instead of in at my office) they discuss Latin American history in the section on the poetry from LA countries.
They note that 90% of the indigenous population was annihilated by colonization in the Spanish speaking countries of Central Am, South Am, and the Caribbean. I forget the actual numbers, but it was pretty stunning.
I could have seen Elvis Costello tonight for ten bucks.
AndyG
I dont wanna go to Chelsea....
what's yer excuse?
-I hate crowds
-I hate crowds of people doing nothing but eat gross food
-I'm jaded because I missed Whitesnake and Judas Priest last night
i see paris i see france...
stoat
Just put seltzer down my pants...
-I'm jaded because I missed Whitesnake and Judas Priest last night
AndyG
just as i thought...
Hello again, good people.
I forgot that even though it is only 5:00 PM on the West Coast, on July 4th there are plenty of morans willing to set off fire crackers and bottle rockets before dark.
I hope they all go through their cache quickly.
I could have seen Elvis Costello tonight for ten bucks.
AndyG
I SO wish I were in your red shoes! I'd kill to see Elvis on the 4th.
Audrey almost bought this really kitschy purse featuring Elvis today at the art fair. The artist laminates old album jackets and turns them into purses.
Happy INTERdependence Day.
Weird. That's what Gummo said the other day, and I gave him a shoutout in today's Paxcast for it.
He's really run off the rails.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch-
He hasn't been on the rails for a long time now.
General Zod
If only he would get hit by the train.....
Is this thread starting to smell a little stall?
They note that 90% of the indigenous population was annihilated by colonization in the Spanish speaking countries of Central Am, South Am, and the Caribbean. I forget the actual numbers, but it was pretty stunning.
Integral ♠ Lit
That's about right. If you have a chance, I highly recommend the book '1491', which is a very readable overview of pre-European civilizations in the Americas. It was a real eye opener for me.
stale, goddamn it, stale!
just as i thought...
You know me all too well.
Someone say something funny. Quick.
Someone say something funny. Quick.
ms fahrenheit
President Palin!
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Someone say something funny. Quick.
ms fahrenheit
kumquat.
-I'm jaded because I missed Whitesnake and Judas Priest last night
AndyG
Do you have the number of the suicide prevention hotline handy?
Bernie Kosar is next.
That club-footed side-slinging GOP fucker. He broke my heart for too many seasons. Fuck him.
Someone say something funny. Quick
The trolls are making sense!
Well, I do have Bonus Critter Blogging up, and the photo made me laugh, although I'm not quite sure why.
kumquat.
I've gotta watch "It's A Gift" again soon...
Barack Hussein Obama "celebrating" Independence Day: is there any sight more insincere and contrived?
BTW, has anyone here come up with a justification of Obama's support for Zelaya?
Do you have the number of the suicide prevention hotline handy?
1-800-OBL-BOOM
why don't we have any non-profit bank co/ops? Is there a legal prohibition?
Did someone say 'stale'?
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Jello Biafra is only slightly older than me.
I did not know that.
Supporting democracy means supporting the constitutionalism upon which that system is based. Obama doesn't care abt that in the case of Honduras and I very much doubt he cares abt it here, either.
BTW, has anyone here come up with a justification of Obama's support for Zelaya?
Toby Petzold
He's got free time and nothing to do.
monkeys on bicycles
(two by two)
*currently listening to Black Flag*
What do you think of the sentiment conveyed by the Sly and the Family Stone classic Everybody is a Star?
is there any sight more insincere and contrived?
uh, toby petzold's concern about honduras?
Thank dog this never happened:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/EIqbQK3b.jpg
BTW, has anyone here come up with a justification of Obama's support for Zelaya?
He's a moslem lesbian. Do we need a justification?
He's got free time and nothing to do.
Penguin Fan
Like the Dog Burner?
I highly recommend the book '1491', which is a very readable overview of pre-European civilizations in the Americas. It was a real eye opener for me.
Gromit
I will do so Gromit. I'm very interested in post-colonial theory, so it sounds like an important read.
Thanks!
sheets
muslim lesbians and central american reformers.
it's a natural fit.
like a baseball glove and mint sauce.
Like the Dog Burner?
Terry C - Castrating B*tch-
Did he celebrate the 4th by setting his ice maker on fire?
Gomez,
Markos has a question for you.
gotta go cobble together a couple of recipes for grilled salmon cakes to match the limited contents of my pantry.
What do you think of the sentiment conveyed by the Sly and the Family Stone classic Everybody is a Star?
I think Obama built his campaign rhetoric on those lyrics.
1491 is really a nice read.
Still on the Honduras kick? You need to find a better hobby.
greil marcus (marcus greil?) has quite the chapter on sly.
thinks very very highly of his work.
Markos has a question for you.
Vicki
He'll get mugged.
what year is 1491 set in?
Did someone say 'stale'?
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Agent Orange
A better word would be "rank."
Barack Hussein Obama "celebrating" Independence Day: is there any sight more insincere and contrived?
Is he not President because of the Revolution? Why do you really think it's insincere and contrived, compared to any other duly-elected Exec? Please complete your work.
Did he celebrate the 4th by setting his ice maker on fire?
Supreme Commander Thor
Remember a couple of years ago, when he threatened bodily harm against kids who were shooting off bottle rockets?
what year is 1491 set in?
1941, starring Belushi, directed by Spielberg. Saw with Corey Marshall at the (now defunct) Southwyck Mall in Toledo, OH in 19...8something.
Barack Hussein Obama "celebrating" Independence Day:
Yes.
And?
1491, of course, is an excellent book.
Oh, and I have Friday Catblogging posted!
What?
Barack Hussein Obama "celebrating" Independence Day: is there any sight more insincere and contrived?
Bush celebrating National Reading Day.
Arbor Day is pretty insincere and contrived. So's Black History Month.
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