I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarYou'll be toast.


GravatarI was this close . . .


GravatarWhite bread toast.


GravatarDouche!


GravatarYou got a base hit. Be Happy.


GravatarWon't anyone think of the Swim Clubs?


Gravatarof course i get dtd. it's what i am.

good morning, again. let's put the brothers in charge. couldn't make things any worse, and despite what douchebag thinks, all they'd do is laugh at his tiny penis.


GravatarWhite bread toast.
Phil Gramm | 07.20.09 - 10:43 am


even toasting him would give him more colour than Douthat would risk showing at the Council of Conservative Citizens' meetings.


GravatarDeadThreaded:

I sure hope that Obama's renewed interest in the health care debate isn't too little too late. He's almost allowed it to just fizzle out.

Karin Hussein : Huh? It's moving along.

Right now it can get stalled in committee, or watered down by the Senators, or stopped dead and killed outright by the Blue Dogs, who are highly motivated to do so.

How Obama expected Kennedy to lead on this due to his illness or Dodd to be anything but compromised, is just beyond me. And the fact that until this weekend he's been playing coy on the public option has allowed its opponents to get away with far too much ground.
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GravatarGermany: Merkel: No coalition with ecos
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2009...-with- ecos.html
wildchild
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2009.../ wildchild.html


Gravatarrootless--I'd be interested in seeing your fully explicated analysis of why atrios' take on the financial crisis is "shallow". Until then, I'll stand with atrios, calculated risk, Krugman and Elizabeth Warren in my skepticism that this is more than a temporary fix that in ignores the fundamental decay and abets the further theft of our collective treasure.
noblejoanie | 07.20.09 - 10:39 am | #


There's no simpler example than the many posts Atrios made sneering at GS and JP Morgan's statements about how they were going to pay the TARP funds back - something that only naive Lucy football kicking chuckleheads could believe was possible.


GravatarI suppose that it's only fitting that a Douthat column runs the same day as the Times rolls out this gigantic multimedia moon tribute on its home page.


Gravatar chicago dyke : despite what douchebag thinks, all they'd do is laugh at his tiny penis.

That's exactly what he is afraid of. That's what he wakes up screaming about.
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GravatarNot posting the links to crap like that is an excellent practice.
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GravatarIf billy b was both a Joe Kapp and a Tarkenton fan he was the only one. Unfuckingbelievable! That cracker will make anything up, no matter how stupid.


GravatarOff to the gym. Later.


Gravatar"the brothers"?

Manny, Moe and Jack?
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GravatarJoe Kapp threw the worst spiral in the history of football.


GravatarPerhaps Douthat shouldn't wish for the end of affirmative action if as he says whites will be in the minority in twenty-five years....


Gravatar"the brothers"?

Moe, Larry and Shemp


GravatarSorry, rootless, don't get your point at all.


GravatarAh, but what if "the brothers" are Michael Steele, Ward Connerly and Clarence Thomas?


GravatarThe Daughters of the Confederacy Think Tank is making room now for the Douche hat. Remember the ballgown!


GravatarIf you read Douchehat's article in a mirror it makes perfect sense.


GravatarWell, Moe, Curly and Shemp if you want to be literal.


Gravatarmeander, i am actually cutting obama a lot of slack on the health care thing. i think it was smart to wait. now, he's got to take advantage of the popularity that the public option enjoys. if he does, it's all good for him and i think he could weather the crap the blue dorks and the rest of the fuckers are going to throw at him.

bottom line: this is going to be a long hard fight and no matter what we get this round, there will be another.


Gravatar the brothers

The pizza shop down the street?
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GravatarAh, but what if "the brothers" are Michael Steele, Ward Connerly and Clarence Thomas?

Why you hating on Ron Christie?


GravatarLadies of the Confederacy have a Mandingo fetish.

So does Douchehat.


GravatarCurly-Joe DeRita?


Gravatarwell, I'm not repeating the long post I just put on the dead thread, so you'll have to go down there to see just what a cracker-ass cracker Jeff Sessions is.


Gravatar rootless-e, : There's no simpler example than the many posts Atrios made sneering at GS and JP Morgan's statements about how they were going to pay the TARP funds back - something that only naive Lucy football kicking chuckleheads could believe was possible.

Excuse me, but have they actually paid them back yet? Last I heard they were angling for a discount on the warrants.

What about the fact that their profits are based on cooked numbers, specifically, ignoring certain losses?

Where are the bad assets that they claime were the cause of the collapse in the first place?

Just wondering.
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GravatarAh, but if only we were post-racial and post-ethnic, we wouldn't have to be worrying about Sotomayor...


GravatarWell, Moe, Curly and Shemp if you want to be literal.
LittlePig |


Larry was a Fine!
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GravatarIt's hard to decide who is more annoying: tax whiners or affirmative action whiners.
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GravatarHe was a-great if ya ask me.


GravatarJoe Kapp threw the worst spiral in the history of football.
macacawitz | 07.20.09 - 10:48 am | #


i don't think spiral is the right word for what that fucking thing was.


Gravatar"GREGG: Well, first, it’s not a monolithic group. About 20 million of those folks earn more than $75,000. They’re basically young people who opt to spend their money on something other than health care insurance."


Um, there are only 14 million households making more than $75K with head of household up to the age of 44.


GravatarThat's right.

Mo, Larry and Curly.

Morris and Samuel Horowitz, Lawrence Fine.


GravatarAm I completely clueless? I've always thought of affirmative action as corrective, not distortive. An unfortunate aspect of human nature is the tendency to want to associate with one’s own kind. Affirmative action corrects that.


GravatarWhere are the bad assets that they claime were the cause of the collapse in the first place?

dont' we the taxpayers pretty much own that now? and isn't the money we gave the banksters the reason they can claim all this profit? that was my impression.


Gravatari don't think spiral is the right word for what that fucking thing was.
fokowi |


Ruptured duck?
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GravatarWhy you hating on Ron Christie?
AndyG


I was thinking there must be a fourth one. Thanks.


GravatarCurly was Jerome. Shemp was Samuel. "Shemp" is how Mama Horowitz tried to say "Sam".


GravatarAnd Larry was born Fineberg if I remember right.


GravatarCurly was Jerome. Shemp was Samuel. "Shemp" is how Mama Horowitz tried to say "Sam".
LittlePig


In Yiddish, she pronounced it Shemyul which morphed into Shemp.


Gravatari have no idea who this Kapp duck raper person is. sigh. y'all always make me feel so out of touch.


Gravatarthkz, Karin, Sessions you realize is from the dead South and always thinks where he is, the courthouse gang - just for our ears = apply


GravatarExcuse me, but have they actually paid them back yet? Last I heard they were angling for a discount on the warrants.

What about the fact that their profits are based on cooked numbers, specifically, ignoring certain losses?

Where are the bad assets that they claime were the cause of the collapse in the first place?

Just wondering.
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Meander | Homepage | 07.20.09 - 10:51 am | #


A lot of the principal has been repayed.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/...ents- today.html

The treasury is now, even though we have been told that Geithner is a bankster 1000 million times, hanging tough on the PROFIT that the taxpayer will get via warrants.


GravatarPretty soon the brothers will be in charge of everything, and then what will happen to guys like me?

Something white guys might have thought of over the past couple of centuries.


GravatarAny approach that makes Goldman Sachs bigger (unfailabler), more profitable and more dominant in its sector is obviously the right approach.
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GravatarWF Buckley is still dead.


GravatarWF Buckley is still dead.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮


What about Franko?


Gravatarhanging tough on the PROFIT that the taxpayer will get via warrants.
rootless-e,


how does that profit that we "will get" balance against what's been paid out?


GravatarLarry Feinberg's birthplace.

http://images.google.com/imgres?...sa%3DN%26um% 3D1
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GravatarIt's hard to decide who is more annoying: tax whiners or affirmative action whiners

Although no congruent, I would bet there is a very large overlap.


GravatarIn Yiddish, she pronounced it Shemyul which morphed into Shemp.
macacawitz


Ah, I get it now. Moe didn't get into the details in his book.


GravatarRight now it can get stalled in committee, or watered down by the Senators, or stopped dead and killed outright by the Blue Dogs, who are highly motivated to do so.

Right now, his campaign arm, Organizing for America, is working on the blue dogs, as are MoveOn and Democracy for America? It's up to us, not just him personally, to make sure they don't kill it.


GravatarSorry, rootless, don't get your point at all.
noblejoanie | 07.20.09 - 10:49 am | #


I'm pointing out that Atrios repeatedly derided the notion that JPM and GS would pay the TARP money back, and he was wrong. Basically, Atrios argument is that WE ARE DOOMED and "Timmy and Larry ARE BANKSTERS". That has been proven over time to not really capture the full complexity of what is going on.


GravatarTHE MONKS ARE TAKING OVER???!!!!!


Gravatardont' we the taxpayers pretty much own that now?

We own the losses. That's the whole point.
If there's any upside for taxpayers, er, we'll be getting that information just as soon as, look, Michael Jackson....


GravatarLarry Feinberg's birthplace.

http://images.google.com/imgres?......sa%3DN%26um% 3D1
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Agent Orange


Awesome.


GravatarWF Buckley is still dead.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮

What about Franko?
LittlePig
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So is Michael Jackson.


GravatarLarry Feinberg's birthplace.

Heh...weird.


Gravatarhow does that profit that we "will get" balance against what's been paid out?
chicago dyke, sweating | Homepage | 07.20.09 - 10:57 am | #


We already got principal plus interest back from GS and JPM. Now we are disputing the value of the "warrants" that Paulson probably assumed would be written off.


GravatarI hope we're probably going to see more of this:

Labor activists are hoping they can do for the 100 employees of the Quad City Die Casting factory in Illinois what they did for workers at Hartmarx Corporation and Republic Windows and Doors: Wring concessions from bailed-out banks by making a ruckus.

The Moline manufacturer of engine parts told its employees that they'll be out of work come July 12. The company is declining to comment to the press, but the union is pointing its finger squarely at Wells Fargo, which it says recently refused to continue extending credit.


Gravatarit amuses me greatly to constantly encounter this ad for "mom's teeth trick" on librul blogs. what up wit dat? i guess libruls have bad teeth or something.


GravatarTHE MONKS ARE TAKING OVER???!!!!!
foolme1ns


only the ones observing the rule of silence: see C Street Last REfuge of Scoundrels.


GravatarLarry Feinberg's birthplace.

Hallowed ground!


Gravatarrootless-e--don't recall atrios making the point the way you're saying he did. Not saying you're wrong, just don't recall it.

The bottom line is what matters to me in this--where has this gotten us? To an even stronger GS and no reform, pensions busted, defaults abounding.

I'm not sure if going over the cliff and facing the music last fall wouldn't have been better. Because I believe it'll likely happen anyway, just in slower motion.


GravatarSo, everything's just fine and dandy with the economy, eh?

Let's buy some more Chinese shit! Put it on my credit card, well-paid retail worker.


Gravatari guess libruls have bad teeth or something.
chicago dyke, sweating


ever seen how we talk stiff-lipped in TX?


GravatarFried said Wells Fargo is being stingy about extending credit because the bank is eager to improve its capital situation and pay back the $25 billion bailout it received from the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

"They want to get out from under the TARP money because they want to get out from the scrutiny," Fried told the Huffington Post. "They're hoarding."


They don't want scrutiny. Too bad.


GravatarI'm not sure if going over the cliff and facing the music last fall wouldn't have been better. Because I believe it'll likely happen anyway, just in slower motion.
noblejoanie


"Slower motion" was what I always assumed the goal was to begin with - trying to make the hit manageable. But of course the money came with so few strings it won't help the transition as much as it could have.


GravatarThe bottom line is what matters to me in this--where has this gotten us? To an even stronger GS and no reform, pensions busted, defaults abounding.

yep. job losses continue, the commercial real estate market is going to tank badly soon, etc etc. i'm glad we're going to make a profit or whatever off giving money to banksters, but the fundamental issues still need to be addressed before the true economy of the rest of us gets any better.


Gravatarguys like douhat - dependent on their adbvantages - unwilling to work as hard as the next guy - what will happen?

exactly what should happen... but nott without a lot of weeping wailing and teeth-gnashing

Set phaser to "POPCORN!"

DO-DO-DO-DO-DO DO-DO


GravatarI thought one of the reasons they wanted to pay the TARP money back was because of the CEO compensation limits. Regardless of whether they actually paid the funds back, this is still worthy of snark, if true.
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Gravatargotcher failure motif rightchere;
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/d....com/diary/ 6470


GravatarSo, everything's just fine and dandy with the economy, eh?

Yep. And the US shouldn't get single payer because France has 73% of America's per capita GDP.


GravatarLarry Feinberg's birthplace.

Philly has the most awesome murals. I don't know if there's a citywide guide somewhere, but here's a couple I stumbled on by accident.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/924...57608631021968/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/924...57608631021968/


GravatarIndeed, we are so "post-white" that Obama gave the most fiery speech of his Presidency to the NAACP in a ballroom that held 2000, rather than Yankee Stadium.

Wouldn't want too much press coverage of that speech. People in a "post-white" society might misunderstand it.


GravatarIt's up to us, not just him personally, to make sure they don't kill it.


What she said.


Gravatarwhoa, ruth! i didn't know you were writing for fdl. nice job, woman!


GravatarWhen are papers going to stop hiring right-wing douchebags for the sake of "diversity"?


Gravatarthanx, ChiDyke, just came on board. same posts, different location, still on the cab of course


GravatarI'm not sure if going over the cliff and facing the music last fall wouldn't have been better.

With GWB at the helm?

/shudders


GravatarWhen are papers going to stop hiring right-wing douchebags for the sake of "diversity"?
fred


never. this has been another edition of...


GravatarWhen are papers going to stop hiring right-wing douchebags for the sake of "diversity"?
fred


when they are 6'+ under the surface of financial incapacity.


Gravatarno single payer because some person in Canada once died


GravatarI think in a normal bankruptcy, that $20 billion or so of taxpayer money that flowed through AIG unhindered to Paulson's old gang at GS via mainly CDSs would be reclaimed or clawed back.

http://www.alternet.org/workplac..._%22profits%22/


Government policy works out great for some people sometimes.
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GravatarWhen are papers going to stop hiring right-wing douchebags for the sake of "diversity"?
fred


"propaganda" is not spelled d-i-v-e-r-s-i-t-y.

They'll go away when papers die, or enough right-wing moguls get hit enough to decide they can't float the right-wing welfare any more.


Gravatarno single payer because some person in Canada once died
C/T, translator


Yep. I saw it on a commercial on the teevee, so it must be true.


Gravatarno single payer because some person in Canada once died
C/T, translator


Well, that and insurance is such a racket that they can afford the best lobbyists.

Profits over people, that's the American way.


GravatarThe bottom line is what matters to me in this--where has this gotten us? To an even stronger GS and no reform, pensions busted, defaults abounding.

I'm not sure if going over the cliff and facing the music last fall wouldn't have been better. Because I believe it'll likely happen anyway, just in slower motion.
noblejoanie | 07.20.09 - 11:01 am | #


Well, it would have been better to nationalize the banks and institute a system of public credit organizations managed by communities and unions, but if you recall, the TARP was set up when George W. Bush was president and has been managed during a time when support for democratic socialism in the US congress is not particularly strong.


Gravatarno single payer because some person in Canada once died

You laugh, but people die in Canada all of the time.


GravatarPeople in a "post-white" society might misunderstand it.


Toby says we're Post Americans. Is that similar?



Gravatari have five brothers. well, four and a half.


Gravatarno single payer because some person in Canada once died
C/T, translator


I was working with two guys from Canada last week - fairly right wing, railed a bit against their "socialist" gov't, and even they were like, "You're health care debate is completely fucked up."


GravatarA lot of the principal has been repayed.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/...ents- today.html

The treasury is now, even though we have been told that Geithner is a bankster 1000 million times, hanging tough on the PROFIT that the taxpayer will get via warrants.
rootless-e,

Good news on the repayment, though it is obvious that they wanted the money without restrictions and regulation and that they didn't get it that way.

And good on the Fed for hanging tough on the warrants. What kind of a profit on the TARP funds does this repesent?
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rootless-e, : I'm pointing out that Atrios repeatedly derided the notion that JPM and GS would pay the TARP money back, and he was wrong. Basically, Atrios argument is that WE ARE DOOMED and "Timmy and Larry ARE BANKSTERS". That has been proven over time to not really capture the full complexity of what is going on.

You have a point here. Well done. To be fair - if we'd gotten more information from the Fed, then Atrios and Krugman might have come to different conclusions.
~


GravatarC/T,

It wasn't an individual constituent.

Franklin Roosevelt's example is useful here. After his election in 1932, FDR met with Sidney Hillman and other labor leaders, many of them active Socialists with whom he had worked over the past decade or more. Hillman and his allies arrived with plans they wanted the new President to implement. Roosevelt told them: "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."


GravatarNobody ever died under our awesome system.


GravatarWell, it would have been better to nationalize the banks and institute a system of public credit organizations managed by communities and unions, but if you recall, the TARP was set up when George W. Bush was president and has been managed during a time when support for democratic socialism in the US congress is not particularly strong.

Not that Barry "Milquetoast" Obama would have had the stomach for that either.


GravatarI see that pusillanimous douchebag Ross "Don't" Douthat is still wanking.


GravatarWith GWB at the helm?

/shudders
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.20.09 - 11:08 am | #


Obama should have gone back in time and created the Angela Davis Society to take over all the banks.


GravatarPeople in a "post-white" society might misunderstand it.


Toby says we're Post Americans. Is that similar?


Billy B


Oh, sorry. When I went to look up Douthat For the Day, this is what I first saw:

Affirmative action has always been understandable, but never ideal. As the first “post-white” generation rises, race-based discrimination needs to go.

Blame the NYT.


GravatarJenna and Barb were a pain in the ass to the Secret Service:

"Jenna would purposely try to lose her protection by going through red lights or by jumping in her car without telling agents where she was going. As a result, in a total waste of manpower, the Secret Service kept her car under surveillance so agents could follow her"

And also:

Before leaving office, President Bush signed a directive authorizing the Secret Service to provide a period of extended protection for Jenna and Barbara.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 20...s_n_240825.html


GravatarForty-thousand men and women every day . . .
(really needs to get off this BOC kick)


GravatarToby says we're Post Americans. Is that similar?

Billy B


I thought we were Stump-Broke Americans.


GravatarThe Apollo computer.

And the first Apollo computer game!


GravatarFDR was clearly taunting them.

Like, "oh yeah, make me, nyah nyah!"


GravatarAffirmative action has always been understandable, but never ideal. As the first “post-white” generation rises, race-based discrimination needs to go.


heh.

Doucheshit is a fucking clown.


Gravatarrace-based discrimination needs to go.

well that's a great idea! let's start by getting jayuff sayshuns to resign.


Gravatar"As this generation rises, race-based discrimination needs to go. The explicit scale-tipping in college admissions should give way to class-based affirmative action"


Hey, dipshit, I guess you don't realize that blacks and hispanics are poorer than whites. That's kind of the point.


GravatarI thought we were Stump-Broke Americans.
LittlePig


What relation to Green Broke?


GravatarAs a result, in a total waste of manpower, the Secret Service kept her car under surveillance so agents could follow her"

Radio collar. Painless, humane, works for polar bears. Oh well - missed opportunity there.


GravatarForty-thousand men and women every day . . .
(really needs to get off this BOC kick)
B1 Bummer


Hey, history shows again and again how Nature points out the follies of men.


GravatarUh, Timmy and Larry are banksters.


GravatarTrolls: post-consciousness life forms?


GravatarThe structural problems with the economy are so deep that at best you can make sure the financial industry survives as everything collapses around them.

It's like 95 percent of the economists and pundits are dropping ecstacy, the delusion. The economy's in the crapper, and it ain't coming out any time soon. Maybe, never.


GravatarJenna was keeping them on their toes.


GravatarIt goes to Karin Hussein's point above, too.


GravatarI thought we were Stump-Broke Americans.


I was under the impression that Petzhold was the one what was stump-broke.



GravatarSix months today Obama's been in office. Why isn't everything fixed yet?
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Gravatarreligious people are the Best People:

Father Thomas Kottoor, Father Jose Puthrukayil, and Sister Mary Sephy charged with murdering Sister Mary Abhaya after she walked in on them having a threeway. Police say the Holy Trinity beat Sister Abhaya with an axe handle and threw her into a convent well where she drowned.


feel the love!


GravatarWith a purposeful grimace and terrible sound . . .


GravatarIt's like 95 percent of the economists and pundits are dropping ecstacy, the delusion. The economy's in the crapper, and it ain't coming out any time soon. Maybe, never.
Moe Szyslak


Typical Canadian journalist, pissin' all over the green shoots.

Now they'll never grow!


GravatarI learned from a mouth breather this morning that Canadians come here to get healthcare and the Canadian Government forces the US to pay for it.

I learned lots of other stuff that would make your head swim too.


GravatarI was under the impression that Petzhold was the one what was stump-broke.

Petzold = TCB?


Gravatar"You can hear it in the resentments gathering on the rightward reaches of the talk-radio dial."


Oh noes! Wingnuts are gnashing their teeths! Better give them what they want...


GravatarHelpless people on subways trains scream bugeyed as he looks in on them


GravatarI didn't have the FDR quote handy, res, but that's what I was thinking of.

Uh, Timmy and Larry are banksters.

Larry Fine? That could explain a lot.


GravatarAnd the first Apollo computer game!
dave™©


I whiled away a lot of hours on that one.


GravatarPolice say the Holy Trinity beat Sister Abhaya with an axe handle and threw her into a convent well where she drowned.

but she received last rites. for a fee


GravatarPetzold = TCB?
Tlazolteotl


More like Petzold = MSG

They both give me a headache.


GravatarYou got it all wrong, see. They were desperately using that axe handle to try to prevent her from committing the mortal sin of suicide!


GravatarThe explicit scale-tipping in college admissions should give way to class-based affirmative action"

i'm actually in favor of class based affirmative action. not that i think douchebag really means or even understands what that would be. but we could do very well in things like admissions if a proper class based system were developed. indeed, many admissions offices already have such.


GravatarForty-thousand men and women every day . . .
(really needs to get off this BOC kick)

Hey, history shows again and again how Nature points out the follies of men.


My ears will melt,

and then my eyes...


GravatarI just never got the ins and outs of the whole grand unified troll theory, sorry.


GravatarThe economy's in the crapper, and it ain't coming out any time soon. Maybe, never.
Paulson being able to save ONE financial institution (his alma mater) with our trillion dollars, a sound economy does not make . . .


GravatarWith a purposeful grimace and terrible sound . . .
B1 Bummer


A more evocative opening line of a rock song you'll be hard-pressed to find.


Gravatarsome english guy had to wait in line once, so obviously thousands of people have to die without health insurance. its the bottom line.


Gravataradults under 30 are about evenly divided (37% capitalism, 33% socialism, 30% undecided)


By the time the U.S. has become a shrunken rind, then democratic socialism will prevail.
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GravatarOhhhh no(es), they say he's got to go.


GravatarHey, dipshit, I guess you don't realize that blacks and hispanics are poorer than whites. That's kind of the point.
fred | 07.20.09 - 11:17 am | #


well, and it's more than just rich and poor. it's historical opportunity in education. it takes a long, long time to catch up. why does it matter? chris rock explained it brilliantly - black people with a lot of money are rich; whites are wealthy.

a ton of money doesn't change everything overnight.


GravatarSix months today Obama's been in office. Why isn't everything fixed yet?

At what "point" is it going to be "acceptable" to say "Not enough is happening"? Are we already in "wait 'til the second term!" territory?


GravatarGood morning, all.

Why are racists all such chicken shits?


GravatarA more evocative opening line of a rock song you'll be hard-pressed to find.

How about

Heard it from a friend who heard from a friend who...


GravatarOhhhh no(es), they say he's got to go.

Zilla-God!


Gravatar12 77 express to heaven!


GravatarI just never got the ins and outs of the whole grand unified troll theory, sorry.


A lot of them are butler, but I am pretty sure Putzfuck and TCB are separate entities.


GravatarMorris and Samuel Horowitz, Lawrence Fine.
macacawitz

Moe Howard's real name was Moses.

Moses Harry Horowitz.

This comes from someone who has been a Three Stooges fan since she was a kid.


GravatarGood news on the repayment, though it is obvious that they wanted the money without restrictions and regulation and that they didn't get it that way.


Exactly. But what that shows is that under Geither, Treasury has been a lot tougher on the banks than they expected and has actually been looking out for the public interest. Not to say he's following anything like a progressive policy, but it's just incorrect to keep pretending that it is all one big scam.

And good on the Fed for hanging tough on the warrants. What kind of a profit on the TARP funds does this repesent?


That's in dispute. The law that the stupid and corrupt congress passed gives the banks all sorts of wiggle room, but the public will make billions in profit.


[...]

You have a point here. Well done. To be fair - if we'd gotten more information from the Fed, then Atrios and Krugman might have come to different conclusions.
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Meander | Homepage | 07.20.09 - 11:14 am | #


I have four complaints with their analysis. First, it has overemphasized personality - Larry Summers is an ass, but that's not going to determine policy. Second, it has consistently assumed that Obama is a chump for whoever is advising him. Third, they have not understood the fundamental divisions in the corporate elite - Jeff Immelt does not support the same policies as Ken Lewis. And finally, neither Atrios nor Krugman have been willing to go back and look at why their predictions keep being wrong.


GravatarDon't report this, three men said.


Gravataranyone who whines about affirmative action should be required to explain george w and neil bush.


GravatarAgent Orange-thanks to you I've discovered the Philadelphia Murals group on Flickr. Just added my photos and now perusing the rest of them.


Gravatar"The nation’s largest states, Texas and California, already have “minority” majorities."


You forgot New Mexico and Hawaii, Douchebag...


GravatarA lot of them are butler, but I am pretty sure Putzfuck and TCB are separate entities.
Billy B

I wonder what Buttles could accomplish if he devoted all the time and energy he uses for his various personalities -- and the other shit he does -- to constructive pursuits.


GravatarHeard it from a friend who heard from a friend who...
Tlazolteotl



oh, i'm gonna get you for that...


GravatarAnd Tucker Carlson.


GravatarG'morning, afternoon, or evening, depending upon your time zone.

We just had a meeting re: the merger. We could be absorbed, but we have to be prepared to start wearing suits again, etc. And no time off for doctor appointments, etc.

It will be 8 - 5, period. No coming in late. No staying late.

But then we might not be absorbed.

I know nothing.


GravatarPrince Charles recently had a tampon removed from his ear. English health care at work.


Gravatar"As this generation rises, race-based discrimination needs to go. The explicit scale-tipping in college admissions should give way to class-based affirmative action"

fred : Hey, dipshit, I guess you don't realize that blacks and hispanics are poorer than whites. That's kind of the point.

Did you know that there are still one-hundred-plus qualified whites admitted for every affirmative action college admission? And yet affirmative action is "...a source of permanent grievance among America’s shrinking white population"?

Really, anybody telling me that we are in a "post-racial" society, and that "hard work" is all that is needed to succeed is well and truly full of shit.
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GravatarBut then we might not be absorbed.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.


GravatarJust a small town girl, livin' in a lawohnly wuuuuuhhhrreled . . .


Gravatari'm actually in favor of class based affirmative action.

So am I, despite the fact that I'm a socialist.


GravatarDouchehat doesn't like women and he doesn't like black folks.

Equal opportunity hater, that one.


GravatarCharlie wanted to BE a tampon -- Camilla's tampon.


Gravataranyone who whines about affirmative action should be required to explain george w and neil bush.
dirk gently,


dan "potatoeoeoe" quail.


Gravatartc - Butler is a moron's moron.

As to accomplishment, not much I would venture to guess...


GravatarMoses Harry Horowitz.

horwitz, wasn't it?


GravatarTucker Carlson Horowitz?


GravatarWe already got principal plus interest back from GS and JPM.

That is true, but we got nothing back from GS on the $37 Billion that we gave to AIG, which went directly to GS, back in September. AIG was GS largest creditor.

The Fed also gave JPM a $30 Billion gaurantee on Bear if I recall, JPM was out of pocket maybe $230 Million. Sweet.


GravatarJust a small town girl, livin' in a lawohnly wuuuuuhhhrreled . . .

Steve always sounded like someone was squeezing his nuts.


GravatarRIP, Frank McCourt.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/...S.Obit.McCourt/


GravatarGood morning again.

Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 07.20.09 - 11:26 am | #

Look, you still have a job. You can look for another position while working, which is a great thing.

And in case you still have a job when the dust settles, you're in even better shape.

Hang in there.


GravatarYou forgot New Mexico and Hawaii, Douchebag...


Um, not among the nation's largest sttes.


GravatarSteve always sounded like someone was squeezing his nuts.
Billy B

(Ahem!)


GravatarPrince Charles recently had a tampon removed from his ear. English health care at work.
leibniz


I get to have one removed from my left maxillary sinus tomorrow. They call it a sponge, but I think they used a maxipad.


GravatarTucker Jane Carlson.


Gravatar(Ahem!)




Sorry - I forgot you were a fan.


GravatarI fucking hate "business limbo."


GravatarMoe Howard was born on June 19, 1897, in Bensonhurst, New York, a small Jewish community on the outskirts of Brooklyn. Moe's real name was Moses Horwitz. Moe's mother's name was Jennie Horwitz, and his father was clothing cutter Solomon Horwitz. Moe was the fourth eldest of five Howard brothers. Two of Moe's brothers, Jerome (Curly), and Shemp performed with him as members of The Three Stooges. Moe's other two brothers, Jack and Irving, never entered show business.

www.threestooges.com


GravatarSteve always sounded like someone was squeezing his nuts.
Billy B |


i knew a guy who worked backstage when Steve was still with Journey and performed in this area. he told me that before the show, Steve asked him to find attractive pre-teen boys and bring them backstage after the show.


GravatarIck, Vicki, and do you get a suit allowance with that? and an in-office dr. on call?


GravatarRIP, Frank McCourt.
I believe this is where I came in

See you later, peeps.


GravatarUm, not among the nation's largest sttes.
Michael Buns Of Steele


New Mexico is if you count the aliens.


GravatarCurley-Tucker DeRita?


GravatarIt felt like a beach towel when I had mine removed.


GravatarRecording studio, 1982:
Neal Schon: Alright. This is bound to work this time. Ready, Steve? OK, plug it in . . .


GravatarThat is true, but we got nothing back from GS on the $37 Billion that we gave to AIG, which went directly to GS, back in September. AIG was GS largest creditor.

The Fed also gave JPM a $30 Billion gaurantee on Bear if I recall, JPM was out of pocket maybe $230 Million. Sweet.
Phil Gramm | 07.20.09 - 11:27 am | #


So, under Paulson, the bailout was a pure scam. Obama and company came in after $350B had been sent out and the government had already entered into all sorts of one-sided agreements. There is no doubt that the politically powerful wall street banks got a major deal. The argument is about post January 2009 policies of the US government.


GravatarVicki-- Sounds like your Powers That Be know nothing, either, but persist in trying to be authoritative anyway. But the kabuki is as good a strategy as any, given the circumstances. Best wishes.


GravatarMoses Harry Horowitz.

horwitz, wasn't it?
dirk gently, sociopathetic


You are right - I stand corrected.


GravatarThe beatings will continue until morale improves.
Tlazolteotl


Weird, we were just talking about morale. I'm an advocate for treating your employees with respect, and giving them the best that you can (within reason, obviously). This new VP of marketing and PR has quite the reputation for being a hard-nosed ass (it's well known in the field). She had an employee -- a manager, for god's sake -- who had a son who was competing for a state title in the track finals in another city, and she wouldn't let her leave 2 hours early on a Friday afternoon to watch the kid compete.

That kind of shit is BULLSHIT, imo.


Gravatar"help me stop our daughters from dating outside of their race"-Ross Douthat


GravatarTitle: White House putting off budget update
Tom Raum, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the economy and today's bleak landscape.

The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.

The release of the update — usually scheduled for mid-July — has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town Aug. 7 on its summer recess.


GravatarA lot of them are butler, but I am pretty sure Putzfuck and TCB are separate entities.
Billy B

It's the hive, led by the borg queen rush blimpbaugh.


GravatarShorter Douchebag: Puerto Rico is minority majority, so they should fuck off.


GravatarIf an online article is worth discussing, then it's worth linking to.

You should give us a link.


GravatarIt felt like a beach towel when I had mine removed.
plantsman, mad google skillz


When the doctor removed the packing from my nose after my septum operation last summer, I almost blacked out. He said it was a particular nerve response that some people are very sensitive to.

Never felt anything like that before or since.


Gravataro.k. gotta do things now.

l9r


GravatarPlus, GS and others are still allowed to ignore mark-to-market valuation and treat their large shitpiles as if they were good assets. If they recognized the actual hole in their balance sheets, little if any TARP money would be getting paid back. It's all very accommodating.
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GravatarReally, anybody telling me that we are in a "post-racial" society, and that "hard work" is all that is needed to succeed is well and truly full of shit.
~
Meander


It's not what you know, it's who you know.

And how much money you have.


GravatarObama feels the heat, changes the play


GravatarYou are right - I stand corrected.
Terry C, Female Know It All


interestingly, imdb reports his name and his brothers' names as horwitz, but his dad's name as horowitz. handwritten records in 19th century nyc were not always the best.


GravatarAs I see it, last year there was the market realization that the age of cheap oil is over-- that partly explained the commodity bubble.For the previous few years it was masked by easy credit based on non-existent assets.

Prices have come back down to $60/barrel, but the paper wealth that supported it all no longer exists. They're desperately trying to recreate that paper wealth, but it's even more smoke and mirrors.

I don't know how you "recover" to pre-financial collapse levels of trade without doubling the price of oil, and I don't know how you return to economic growth when the price of oil doubles.

There are ways out of this-- replace oil, for one-- but it takes decades, not some banking sleight of hand.


GravatarReally, anybody telling me that we are in a "post-racial" society, and that "hard work" is all that is needed to succeed is well and truly full of shit.
~
Meander

I'm saying this here to avoid cussing out my ethics class who are well and truly full of shit on this issue.

If you're taking classes on-line, you are NOT equal to Yale legacies. Ever.
~


Gravatar"help me stop our daughters from dating outside of their race"-Ross Douthat
jr

I hope he doesn't have any daughters.

Hell, I hope he doesn't ANY kids.


Gravatarvicki, i'm sending warm thoughts your way. hang in there, woman. and have chick call me sometime.

everyone i know in a corporate job has stories like that. it's chilling. it seems like the new management style is "cajole, threaten, berate and abuse" and those kinds of managers/executives are the only ones allowed anymore. i hope that's not true, but it sure seems like it.


GravatarYeah, Gummo, I hear you.


Gravatarhandwritten records in 19th century nyc were not always the best.
dirk gently, sociopathetic

Speaking as a genealogist, I agree wholeheartedly.

I've gotten real good at reading old birth and death certs since I've taken up that hobby.


GravatarCalifornia leaders are HOPING for agreement this week on how to plug a $26 billion hole in the state's budget that has prompted it to issue IOUs to cover government bills.

- - -

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk...

Why am I not surprised. The audacity of it all and everything.

I mean, why would I expect 'experience' to matter in politics. I only need a good communicator who can read a teleprompter, right?

Maybe


Gravatar QuentinCompson, : Plus, GS and others are still allowed to ignore mark-to-market valuation and treat their large shitpiles as if they were good assets. If they recognized the actual hole in their balance sheets, little if any TARP money would be getting paid back. It's all very accommodating.

If they pay the money back now, then they can keep wanking each other with large piles of cash until the TRUE collapse, when they can go fuck themselves.
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GravatarBook recommendation for Vicki (and anyone else working in corporate America): The No Assholes Rule.


GravatarMore financial cynicism on display above.


Gravatarsucker sheets.


GravatarThis threatens the health of our tulip-based economy.


GravatarDo people like Douchehat ever venture outside?

I mean, they act as though they never saw a black person till they reached adulthood.

Or, rather, THEIR version of adulthood.


Gravatarwe got nothing back from GS on the $37 Billion that we gave to AIG, which went directly to GS, back in September.

Fucking Obama!


GravatarUsed to be...

I was accessible. Everywhere...buses, BART trains, drinking establishments, even at work somewhat...

Now...

You find me only at the video rental place every night, plus the grocery store at 9pm on a Saturday night.

(And you would be surprised how much business follows me through the door.)


GravatarFuck off, troll.


GravatarI no longer watch tv.

I barely listen to the radio in my car.

I might buy a newspaper once in awhile...

But usually, if you want to know..."what I'm doing"...

You come here to witness how I STOP California's agenda in Washington DC.

And that's exactly what happened, folks. So now what? You expecting a big trading day or something?

(Maybe you want to be in my living room then, when I turn on my cable tv, right?)


GravatarFuck off, troll.
---->fred | 07.20.09 - 11:39 am

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Nobody controls me.


GravatarLater, Duncan.

Start some new sheets then.


GravatarThe argument is about post January 2009 policies of the US government.

I don't know that anyone agreed to limit the timeframe to the past six months, especially since Geithner was involved prior to January, and Bernanke is still sitting in the same chair that he's been in for a couple of years at the Fed. That's my point.

You can only say that GS & JPM have paid back the taxpayer money, with interest, if you ignore all of the looting, which I'm not. Coupled with the lack of transparency, in that we can't even see who the hell the Fed has been shoveling money at, never mind terms, call me sceptical. Pick your timeframe.


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