I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I hope so.
Brownback is a loon.
If these miners are rescued it will be hailed as miracle.
Brownback is a scary mo fo.
duncan hunter = man's man's man
He is pretty manly... I mean very manly.
i got nothin'. well, except for some fresh walleye and an adequate supply of beverages.
In a span of 24 hours, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney each fell victim to what can be called the Republicans' "God Trap." That is, running as "men of faith" to lead what many of its own members call "God's Own Party," Giuliani and Romney are being called on it. And while Rudy's Catholicism and Mitt's Mormonism are now rightly drawing the attention each invited, the second tier Republican candidates are waging a holy war on each other.
For the details, see:
"Romney, Giuliani and the Republicans' God Trap."
Shorter media: Class M planet found in Utah mine.
Still, I'm going to hold to my prediction that Brownback is going to surprise people today. He has become a formidable candidate.
There's not a chance in hell Brownback gets the nomination. He's an extreme right nutjob and damned proud of it.
Walleye? Are you at the great lake?
Speaking of the media,epu'd from below: For those of you who read the Newsweek cover last week by Sharon Begely (an excellent science writer) on the global warming deniers and their connection to the oil companies, the wingnuts are flooding the comments section. Just sent my letter thanking the editors for running the story.
Letters@newsweek.com
noblejoanie
Does deep woods off keep the ticks off?
If we use tractors to grow and harvest corn to turn into fuel, we'll be free!
Until we realize we're using fuel to create fuel, and that simply doesn't work. The dilemma is in the fuel-dependent economy. Sooner or later (set pollution/global warming aside, which are bigger problems, actually), you run out of fuel. Especially if you are using fuel to replace animal/human labor.
It's basically an unsustainable system, because it pushes the consumption beyond a point of replacement. Or something. Anyway, we'll just use fossil fuel fertilizer and fossil fuels to grow corn for energy! Hey, presto!
Vote for Brownback if you want to live in Jesusland.
Darwin help us!
fokowi at lake cabin--Perseid meteor showers peak Sunday night. We've had a drought here in northern WI but tonight rain is set to arrive.
Which means I'll miss the meteors.
There's not a chance in hell Brownback gets the nomination. He's an extreme right nutjob and damned proud of it.
bloggus
Which is not to say he can't carry the straw poll....
Brownback is a putz.
I'm gonna sue his ass for mentioning that
No, they won't notice.
'America is better than abortion' - Sam Brownback
There's a point short of running out of fuel where we'll change our ways. Nobody knows where that point is and we're not there yet.
open draft talk
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...t.ap/
index.html
'America is better than abortion' - Sam Brownback
Karatist Preacher
sam, What if america was raped?
'America is better than abortion' - Sam Brownback
Karatist Preacher
We're better than bombing whole neighborhoods in hopes of killing one person, and calling the deaths collateral damage, but, hey....
sam, What if america was raped?
olexicon, at woik
Bush Co. has been doing THAT for the last six years.
'America is better than abortion' - Sam Brownback
However, invading another country which didn't attack us and killing all its people is A-OK. Right, Brownie?
I salute the flag by pissing on it, then lighting it on fire. After that, we usually drink beer and shoot bloggers in the face.
if you thought things couldn't get worse in Iraq
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was in Iraq to meet with officials reforming the country's legal system
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20070...t7c.2zi5l6s0NUE
I'd just as soon flip the flag off as salute it.
False patriotism just burns my ass. What does patriotism have to do with anything other than pledge an oath of loyalty to some (fake) government?
There's not a chance in hell Brownback gets the nomination. He's an extreme right nutjob and damned proud of it.
bloggus
I once thought the exact same thing about George Bush.
What indian tribe is Brownback from?
What indian tribe is Brownback from?
dan
The Seniole
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was in Iraq to meet with officials reforming the country's legal system
Oy.
Does deep woods off keep the ticks off?
dan
OFF! claims it does.
.
Actually, in his original speech script, he was fussing about people looking at him funny when he said "Gott mit uns", but one of his campaign workers translated Mr. Hilter's words.
Left the "Boncentration Bamps" in, though.
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I'd just as soon flip the flag off as salute it.
False patriotism just burns my ass. What does patriotism have to do with anything other than pledge an oath of loyalty to some (fake) government?
smalfish,suspect at all times
Fuck these uber-patriots who care more about flags and pledges than they do about people.
...for example, Brownback:
"We should be able to say one nation Under God and the flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
Brownback is the perfect example of the Economist's view that the Rethugs are irrelevant because of the extreme social conservatives who took over the party and are trying to establish a theocracy.
He ain't gonna be the next preznit.
(Probably meaningless, but from the same page):
Because a straw poll itself is not an informal enough assessment of public opinion, the group Everyday America is holding an "Unofficial Straw Poll" just outside the Hilton Coliseum in Ames, feauring "results every hour," based on the opinions of those who visit their table.
As of 2:30 pm, the results were:
Huckabee 36 %
Tancredo 27%
Paul 13%
Romney 11%
T. Thompson 10%
Brownback 8%
Cox
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was in Iraq to meet with officials reforming the country's legal system
It's not authoritarian enough by US standards, evidently.
Lithuania is better than pap smears.
What indian tribe is Brownback from?
dan |
None.
He's not Native American
Canada is better than lobotomys
Huckabee 36 %
Romney 11%
T. Thompson 10%
Brownback 8%
HAHAHA!
Guess Iowa like Arkansas better than Kansas.
Canada is better than lobotomys
I agree. I'd rather have a canada.
Headline: In Iowa, Support for Brokeback Mounting.
America is better than abortion.
Lithuania is better than Pap smears.
The Vatican is better than child molesting - Oh wait! Oops, what a give away!
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"We should be able to say one nation Under God and the flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
Paranoid AND stupid.
His name is native american. Names don't lie. They are reliable markers of ancient memory. They speak just like the names of streets.
I hate Atrios for his food. It's true.
I always say, "under Goddess" just to piss people off.
If someone is raped and is impregnated, they go to live in one of those homes and the child is given to a nice Christian family, like in the nice times.
Britain is better than colonoscopy
Browback is not aware that it says "One nation under Gord" and it is to honor gordie howe
Mine Disaster Owner Gave $245,100 to GOP
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...8/11/165437/
436
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was in Iraq to meet with officials reforming the country's legal system
Oy.
pie
Just when they thought it couldn't possibly get any more fucked up . . .
"We should be able to say one nation Under God and the flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
Us meaning the government.
His name is native american. Names don't lie. They are reliable markers of ancient memory. They speak just like the names of streets.
dan
He's not Native American, jack, you dumbass.
I always say, "under Goddess" just to piss people off.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I just skip that part. "One nation . . .indivisible . . ."
If someone is raped and is impregnated, they go to live in one of those homes and the child is given to a nice Christian family, like in the nice times.
Karatist Preacher
With all the blame placed on the pregnant woman.
Just when they thought it couldn't possibly get any more fucked up . . .
Actually, Gonzo won't have the success screwing up Iraq's judicial system that he had here, I'll bet.
Effing asshat.
I always say, "under Goddess" just to piss people off.
When is the last time you made the pledge to the flag?
I don't think I've even heard it since I was in school.
fokowi at lake cabin--Perseid meteor showers peak Sunday night. We've had a drought here in northern WI but tonight rain is set to arrive.
Which means I'll miss the meteors.
noblejoanie | 08.11.07 - 5:09 pm | #
yes... i read one of hecate the goddess' posts about that the other day. supposed to be clear here, so i will try to view them.
can't remember what time, tho.
Brownback took dirty money from Abramoff and Duke Cunningham. He was smart enough to give it up when he got caught.
"We should be able to say one nation Under God and the flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
Again, the original was "Ein Reich, unter Gott", and the flag salute was a full outstretch of the arm..........
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"We should be able to say one nation Under a Groo ve and the FReak flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
George Clinton
Brownback is one of the few good Republicans.
I'm so sick of the Republicans manipulating decent people. Those who served in the military and their families see the flag as emblematic of their service and sacrifice.
The chickenhawks who have better things to do than serve or sacrifice for their country, like, say, Mitt's strapping twenty-something lads, are only too willing to tap that sentiment.
They're evil. It's that simple.
"We should be able to say one nation Under a Groo ve and the FReak flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
George Clinton
olexicon, at woik
We want the funk....give up the funk.
Turns out, only xians are allowed in Congress. Who knew? The one great value of the internets is that these fools are revealed talking to themselves when they think that the rest of us aren't listening.
Dudes, we r on ur cruizes and at ur meetingz listening to u.
They speak just like the names of streets.
Just shut the fuck up, jack. Your insistence upon being here is an embarrassment to the species.
Mine Disaster Owner Gave $245,100 to GOP
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl......8/11/165437/
436
Richard
That person mentions hiring illegal workers, but that's the only reference I've seen.
There are no good republicans if any of them continue to support the crimes of this president.
Brownback is one of the few good Republicans.
Eh? He's dead, Jim?
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Wow, I just viewed a video, "Battle at Kruger", posted on aol which could be a real lesson for the craven fucking Democrats.
Go see it.
Brownback is one of the few good Republicans.
dan |
Get back on your meds, jack.
Brownback is one of the few good Republicans.
Hitler was one of the few good germans.
The internal problem I see for these folks is that if they accept they're *not* being systematically oppressed, then their behavior simply indicates they're assholes.
Mine Disaster Owner Gave $245,100 to GOP
I'm sure he expected nothing in return.
"We should be able to say one nation Under a Groo ve and the FReak flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
It's like lookin in my mirror and seeing a POLICE CAR!
E coli is one of the few good bacteria.
They speak just like the names of streets.
dan
"12th Ave."
Long but worth reading -- How chimpy's Iraq obsession lost Afghanistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/1...&
pagewanted=all
E coli is one of the few good bacteria.
JeffCO
Ghonnorea is one of the good STDs
fokowi, you near spooner?
Again, the original was "Ein Reich, unter Gott", and the flag salute was a full outstretch of the arm..........
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Cynicus | 08.11.07 - 5:19 pm | #
The original Pledge of Allegiance called for the right arm to be extended outward to the right, hand flat, palm down.
Fuck these uber-patriots who care more about flags and pledges than they do about people.
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs
Poseurs.
When is the last time you made the pledge to the flag?
They open every FERC meeting w/ a pledge to the flag. Curt Hebert, Trent Lott's protege, started the practice and, since then, both Pat Wood and Joe Kelliher, both Repukes, have been too afraid to stop it. Wood used to remind everyone, every time, that there is no comma, and, thus, no pause, between the words "one nation" and the words "under goddess," er "god".
Nice link, Hecate. Hey, have you thought to suggest to this guy that some say that Joe Lieberman might just be.........A JOO!?!?!?
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fokowi--maximum August 13, 5h UT about midnight CDT Sunday night
When is the last time you made the pledge to the flag?
Not since high school and I wouldn't say "under god" even then.
Brownback is one of the few good Republicans.
Hitler was one of the few good germans.
spinoza | 08.11.07 - 5:21 pm | #
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There are lots of good republicans. Abraham Lincoln, Charles Sumner, Thaddeus Stevens, Frederick Douglass and so on.
His name is native american. Names don't lie. They are reliable markers of ancient memory. They speak just like the names of streets.
I hear your name means "dumbass white man."
Oh, sure, Atrios, but don't dare hang a picture of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his noodly appendage in your classroom if you're a teacher. They will come down on you like a ton of bricks.
There's no religious freedom in this country, I tell you!
There are no good republicans if any of them continue to support the crimes of this president.
pie
Well, what do you think of the Democrats who vote with the repugs? How about Nancy "impeachment is still off the table " Pelosi?
E coli is one of the few good bacteria.
JeffCO
Ghonnorea is one of the good STDs
olexicon, at woik
Cancer is one of the good diseases.
Ebola is a nice virus that makes the trains run on time.
Wood used to remind everyone, every time, that there is no comma, and, thus, no pause, between the words "one nation" and the words "under goddess," er "god".
My. The systemic abuse of the god factor is overwhelming.
When is the last time you made the pledge to the flag?
A week ago today.
Marine Released Early From Brig
August 11, 2007 12:24 AM EST |
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CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — A Marine who was sentenced to eight years in military prison in the case of a slain Iraqi civilian was released Friday.
Pvt. Robert B. Pennington was sentenced in February in a plea deal that included a reduction in rank from lance corporal and a dishonorable discharge. He pleaded guilty to kidnapping and conspiracy; murder and other charges were dismissed.
Vermont is better than gay orgies.
There are lots of good republicans. Abraham Lincoln, Charles Sumner, Thaddeus Stevens, Frederick Douglass and so on.
rootless2
We mean living ones.
We should be able to say this coal mine seems unsafe and not be worried about anybody firing us.
When is the last time you made the pledge to the flag?
Every volunteer fire station meeting. Pissed me off. I had to deal with volunteers driving past car accidents because the victims were obviously black. And then I discovered after a few years that the New York chapter of the KKK used to be in the district.
Nice link, Hecate. Hey, have you thought to suggest to this guy that some say that Joe Lieberman might just be.........A JOO!?!?!?
ANTI - SEMITE!!!
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — A Marine who was sentenced to eight years in military prison in the case of a slain Iraqi civilian was released Friday.
Pvt. Robert B. Pennington was sentenced in February in a plea deal that included a reduction in rank from lance corporal and a dishonorable discharge. He pleaded guilty to kidnapping and conspiracy; murder and other charges were dismissed.
*singing* "Old Blackwater, keep on hiring/ You'll be back in it two weeks after the firing........"
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The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"
I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.
I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.
I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, Okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.
I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is go f*** yourself, unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The...aghetti_Monster
We mean living ones.
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs | 08.11.07 - 5:26 pm | #
There are not even any "mildly bad" living ones anymore.
Pvt. Robert B. Pennington was sentenced in February in a plea deal that included a reduction in rank from lance corporal and a dishonorable discharge. He pleaded guilty to kidnapping and conspiracy; murder and other charges were dismissed.
So the message is: Kill an innocent Iraqi, get kicked out of the army? How many takers will there be over there?
Jesus, we had to pledge at every school event I attended with my kids.
Vermont is better than gay orgies.
NTodd
NOTHING is better than gay orgies.
From Tommy Thompson today in Iowa:
"And by the way, isn't it great to be a Republican."
"And by the way, isn't it great to be a Republican."
CROWD
"NO, YOU SILY GOOSE"
NOTHING is better than gay orgies.
Duane V | 08.11.07 - 5:29 pm
ANTI-SEMITE!
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Vermont is better than gay orgies.
Hot dogs and beans are better for you than steak and potatoes.
peace and humptiness forever
From Tommy Thompson today in Iowa:
"And by the way, isn't it great to be a Republican."
Tommy Thompson is like a hairball you step on in your bare feet while going in the middle of the night to the bathroom. "What the fuck was that!!!!!!????????"
We should be able to run this whole country without any non-Christians butting in.
Hey peeps.
Heroin and pot are better for you than tofu and veggies.
From Tommy Thompson today in Iowa:
"And by the way, isn't it great to be a Republican."
bloggus | 08.11.07 - 5:29 pm | #
We were stuck with that schmuck for years! The only thing GW ever did for Wisconsin was to take his sorry ass to DC
His name is native american. Names don't lie. They are reliable markers of ancient memory. They speak just like the names of streets.
Really? I live on twenty-second street.
Jesus, we had to pledge at every school event I attended with my kids.
I'd just remembered that I heard it at school events for my daughter. I didn't participate in it though.
Hilarious!
# I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?
# I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.
Apparently your undisclosed location delights in torturing sea animals then dressing up their carcasses with all sorts of sauces.
That person mentions hiring illegal workers, but that's the only reference I've seen.
From a USA Today story...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nat...rs_N.htm?
csp=34
Only one of the miners has been identified. Mexico's consul in Salt Lake City, Salvador Jimenez, said three of the men are Mexican citizens.
...
Relatives of the miners waited for news at a nearby senior center. Many of the family members don't speak English, so Huntington Mayor Hilary Gordon hugged them, put her hands over her heart and then clasped them together to let them know she was praying for them, she said.
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No mention of their actual legal status in the story. They may or may not be illegal workers.
Antidisestablishmentarianism is better than sesquipedalianism.
There are lots of good republicans. Abraham Lincoln, Charles Sumner, Thaddeus Stevens, Frederick Douglass and so on.
Then I guess the only good republican is a _____ one.
I live on twenty-second street.
Really? Are you descended from the Chicago Twentysecondstreets?
A bread and butter sandwich is better than a gay orgy. A bread and butter sandwich is better than nothing and, as you say, nothing is better than a gay orgy.
I can't believe Huckabee actually said this...
Uh oh. Huckabee just said that supporting Huckabee was "doing something" in the same way that standing up for victims of the Holocaust was "doing something." Did he really just compare the two things? And, honestly, why is everybody clapping?
Solid poop is better than runny poop.
not near spooner, if you're referring to spooner,wisc....
i'm in eastern so dak.
Then I guess the only good republican is a _____ one.
pie
I was going to say that, but didn't want to get flamed and/or banned.
Bill O'Reilly might think I'm a terrible person, you know, for saying that.
No mention of their actual legal status in the story. They may or may not be illegal workers.
Why never any white girl miners?
Really? Are you descended from the Chicago Twentysecondstreets?
Hey, those were my twentysecond cousins.
Feeding trolls is better than sticking a hypodermic needle in your eye, but only slightly.
Antidisestablishmentarianism is better than sesquipedalianism.
JeffCO
agreed, on the principle that it's a fun word
Tommy was an embarrassment as head of HSS. Anyone else remember him bumbling about during the anthrax scare?
He actually wanted Transportation where he might have actually done some good--he's a fan of rail.
Day is better than night.
And, honestly, why is everybody clapping?
bloggus
Hand-picked braindead Repuke audience?
Are you descended from the Chicago Twentysecondstreets?
Definitely, by way of the Princeton Mainstreets and the Denver Mountainwaystreets. And, of course, Carnaby Street. Perhaps you knew my mama, Mrs. Palmetto Twentysecondstreet, from Miami?
I was going to say that, but didn't want to get flamed and/or banned.
I was merely calling attention to the fact that those people have gone to the big house in the sky.
Or somewhere.
My father in law is a Republican, and he is a good person. He's just not so smart about some things. Really, I don't think that sort of talk is good to engage in, regardless of what consequences there might be.
Hey, those were my twentysecond cousins.
Can I marry them?
-Giuliani-Romney doll.
Hand-picked braindead Repuke audience?
Have to be to applaud something that incredibly stupid.
Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia is better than coulrophilia.
Bill O'Reilly might think I'm a terrible person, you know, for saying that.
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs
If BillO ever called me a terrible person by name I'd have it engraved on my tombstone, if i was going to have one.
Feeding trolls is better than sticking a hypodermic needle in your eye, but only slightly.
Ever seen Pitch Black?
Definitely, by way of the Princeton Mainstreets and the Denver Mountainwaystreets. And, of course, Carnaby Street. Perhaps you knew my mama, Mrs. Palmetto Twentysecondstreet, from Miami?
No, my family, the Atlanta Peachtrees, never talked to the Twentysecondstreets. We don't even know how the feud started now, but I believe it involved somebody fucking around on Main Street with the Elms.
Look, I'm embarrassed by the Dems most days, as a Democrat, but I'd be mortified to call myself a Republican these days whatever that party used to be worth.
Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia is better than coulrophilia.
JeffCO
I raise you a non-word
psychoalphadiscobetebioaquadooloops
"I thought Eleanor Clift was better than that."
She's just David Broder with a vagina.
spinoza | 08.11.07 - 5:05 pm
Back when there was that magazine about the media, title of which I can't recall (founded by Steve Brill), there was a section which graded the pundits on their predictions/analyses.
Eleanor Clift had the highest lifetime average (well, lifetime of the magazine, which was somewhat short) of any of the chat show pundits for accuracy--i.e., realism.
I'm stunned that she's shoring up Newt! So, what does she know about what's happening in 'Thugland?
Hand-picked braindead Repuke audience?
Have to be to applaud something that incredibly stupid.
bloggus
If they weren't incredibly stupid, they wouldn't be even considering voting Repuke.
Many of the family members don't speak English, so Huntington Mayor Hilary Gordon hugged them, put her hands over her heart and then clasped them together to let them know she was praying for them, she said.
She also spoke really loudly and enunciated each word carefully. When it was time to have lunch, she mimed using a spoon to scoop up rice and beans, blowing on them, and shoving them into her mouth.
Tommy was an embarrassment as head of HSS.
He actively helped to dismantle good research. He should be put on a canoe and pushed out into the lake with a bottle of ripple and a ding dong.
Psychoalphadiscobetebioaquadooloops are not quite as good as Cocoa Puffs.
Hand picked audiences are better than seawater.
Then I guess the only good republican is a _____ one.
pie | 08.11.07 - 5:33 pm | #
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The undead ones are particularly bad.
My father in law is a Republican, and he is a good person. He's just not so smart about some things.
I think the vast majority of people who vote Republican fall under the category of chump.
Look, I'm embarrassed by the Dems most days, as a Democrat, but I'd be mortified to call myself a Republican these days whatever that party used to be worth.
I guess those people who now refuse to self-identify during polling as repubs would agree with you.
I'm coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs.
Someone with better computer skills than I ought to send the Demo leadership that AOL video "Battle at Kruger" as a hint.
fokowi, yeah, I was talking about wisconi...
I go to the spooner area quite a bit.
anyhoo..the meteor showers will be fun.
Eleanor Clift had the highest lifetime average (well, lifetime of the magazine, which was somewhat short) of any of the chat show pundits for accuracy--i.e., realism.
I'm stunned that she's shoring up Newt! So, what does she know about what's happening in 'Thugland?
No future in realism.
Lies are where the money's at, ya dig?
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The undead ones are particularly bad.
rootless2
See Reagan, Ronald W.
We don't even know how the feud started now, but I believe it involved somebody fucking around on Main Street with the Elms.
I blame the monsters on Maple street.
Psychoalphadiscobetebioaquadooloops are not quite as good as Cocoa Puffs.
JeffCO
you can stay under water and not get wet
NTodd,
Well the Elmstreets speak only to the Huntingtoncircles and the Huntingtoncircles speak only to god.
I think the vast majority of people who vote Republican fall under the category of chump.
they did it all for the nookie?
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Someone with better computer skills than I ought to send the Demo leadership that AOL video "Battle at Kruger" as a hint.
Somebody emailed that to me, and had already seen it somewhere on a blog. Incredible stuff.
I go to the spooner area quite a bit.
So did I, until they broke up and reformed as Garbage.
you can stay under water and not get wet
Or does the water get you instead?
I blame the monsters on Maple street.
I blame the Kruegers on Elm Street.
R's are either chumps or millionaires.
aquaboogie, bay-bay!
Or does the water get you instead?
Nobody knows...
chris/tx
It is probably the greatest fucking lesson one could present to the Dems.
It's better to get pissed on than get pissed off.
R's are either chumps or millionaires.
angryspittle
I will never understand how any woman, Jew, person of color, gay person or any working person could be a Repuke.
PSYCHO
ALPHA
DISCO
BETA
BIO
AQUA
DOOLOOPS
smalfish,
I think you've got that backwards.
I'd watch an AOL video if it was posted here. I like online videos.
I think the vast majority of people who vote Republican fall under the category of chump.
There are still a lot of people who associate republican with "small frugal government and not snooty east coast" and they don't think any further on it.
But then there are lot more people who associate Republican with "crush the n___ers".
I think you've got that backwards.
Not if you're a republican.
Well the Elmstreets speak only to the Huntingtoncircles and the Huntingtoncircles speak only to god.
The beans and cod have gone to your head.
Battle at Kruger-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h?
v=LU8DDYz68kM
I'd watch an AOL video if it was posted here. I like online videos.
smalfish,suspect at all times
Is there room on your sofa? I'd watch it with you.
smalfish - "Battle at Kruger":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h?
v=LU8DDYz68kM
I will never understand how any woman, Jew, person of color, gay person or any working person could be a Repuke.
Being in a power minority does not protect one from being prejudiced toward other minorities or from being willing to sell out everyone else if it means a few more dollars a month for yourself.
Hello!
Dems!
Are you smarter than a fucking Buffalo?
They're so persecuted, these pauvre xianits.
My FIL has just gotten taken in by all the jingoistic crap and the images of Dirty Fucking Hippies and Caddillac Welfare Queens robbing him of his hard-earned money. He really doesn't get that he is not a member of the oligarchy.
Battle at Kruger-
Oh yeah!
That was fucking WAY COOL!
The rubes fighting back to protect their own is powerful indeed.
smalfish, music vid work?
peace and humptiness for sure this time
I'd watch an AOL video if it was posted here. I like online videos.
smalfish,suspect at all times
Is there room on your sofa? I'd watch it with you.
noblejoanie | 08.11.07 - 5:47 pm | #
Gonna be crowded, what with his wingnut wife...
Shorter Battle at Kruger: We are many; they are few.
I will never understand how any woman, Jew, person of color, gay person or any working person could be a Repuke.
Being in a power minority does not protect one from being prejudiced toward other minorities or from being willing to sell out everyone else if it means a few more dollars a month for yourself.
JeffCO
Oh, I know - but I still don't understand it.
Brownback isn't calling for a return to the original flag salute, is he? Cause if he is . . . that would be bad.
My FIL has just gotten taken in by all the jingoistic crap and the images of Dirty Fucking Hippies and Caddillac Welfare Queens robbing him of his hard-earned money. He really doesn't get that he is not a member of the oligarchy.
blerb | 08.11.07 - 5:48 pm | #
Brand power. Dems don't get it.
Being in a power minority does not protect one from being prejudiced toward other minorities or from being willing to sell out everyone else if it means a few more chocolate rations a month for yourself.
Filled yer trunk.
SteveLG -- still around? I'm stuck on snocap trying to buy those tracks.
NTodd has email
We need to fear the bogeyman in your pants so we don't have to fear them in my hair!
What people like that don't understand is it's the cowards the terrorists hate...they will be the first to be stoned to death when the new caliphate arrives....
Iraq controlled even in part by AQ is like Afghanistan under the Taliban on steroids. In the heart of the Arab world, able to destabilize Saudi, and other Gulf states, and a secure (under an Iranian nuclear umbrella) to plan attacks far WORSE than 9/11:
*Nuclear attacks with Iranian or Pakistani nukes.
*Dirty Bombs like Litivenko's murder by Putin only scaled up to say, a basketball arena or subway.
*Flying planes not into buildings but football stadiums.
We are looking realistically at around 20,000 dead on the low end to around 2-4 million on the high end depending on the means and methods used to attack
helpful suggestions from wingers for al Qaida...
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Gonna be crowded, what with his wingnut wife...
This is where the party ends....
noblejoanie... what area of WI are you in?
There are still a lot of people who associate republican with "small frugal government and not snooty east coast" and they don't think any further on it.
Like I said, chumps. Suckers who don't realize that they aren't getting what they think they are voting for.
Brand power. Dems don't get it.
What rootless2 said.
Hecate,
Typical Dem response:
OOOH! But they've got such big teeth!
Once we make sure only the right people can sue for the right reasons, then we will have peace and humptiness forever!
Brand power. Dems don't get it.
Fuck brand power. That is NOT the way to be trying to overcome.
Being in a power minority does not protect one from being prejudiced toward other minorities or from being willing to sell out everyone else if it means a few more dollars a month for yourself.
A.K.A., the wise plantation owner takes the smartest, strongest, most ambitious slaves, and makes them the foremen and overseers.
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She also spoke really loudly and enunciated each word carefully...
Aw, cut the woman some slack.
fokowi--north central, a few miles from the UP border, 30 miles south of Lake Superior, as the crow flies.
Remote enough smalfish's wingnut wife can't fine me...
Being in a power minority does not protect one from being prejudiced toward other minorities or from being willing to sell out everyone else if it means a few more dollars a month for yourself.
Hi. I'm Joe Lieberman!
My FIL has just gotten taken in by all the jingoistic crap and the images of Dirty Fucking Hippies and Caddillac Welfare Queens robbing him of his hard-earned money. He really doesn't get that he is not a member of the oligarchy.
blerb | 08.11.07 - 5:48 pm | #
Brand power. Dems don't get it.
rootless2 | 08.11.07 - 5:50 pm | #
the democratic party just can't get itself to lie as hard as the republican party
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NY Daily News.com
A dirty-bomb scare triggered a huge police response last night, with NYPD choppers, boats and special trucks searching the city for radioactive devices even as police brass assured New Yorkers the threat was not verified.
Browne stressed the terror threat, picked up on a Jerusalem-based, English-language Web site with links to Israeli intelligence, was uncorroborated. He said the city's alert status remained at "orange" or high - one step below the highest level of "red" or severe.
But the response was significant. Officials said the alert was for a 50-mile radius around New York.
The threat was picked up on www.debka.com, which posts commentary and analysis on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The site is known to have solid links to the Israeli intelligence and military communities, but only a so-so record on accuracy.
Debka monitors picked up a rush of suspected Al Qaeda chatter Thursday, the site said. One communication accused Americans of the "grave error" of failing to take seriously the videotape released by American Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn last week.
"But of course, if we just bombed Iran..."
LOL. Suckas!
Brownback isn't calling for a return to the original flag salute, is he? Cause if he is . . . that would be bad.
Snow, Liberal
Living in the past....what today's GOP party longs for.
fokowi--north central, a few miles from the UP border, 30 miles south of Lake Superior, as the crow flies.
How close to Rhinelander?
Got to take off the mittens before I type--find me not fine me
Being in a power minority does not protect one from being prejudiced toward other minorities or from being willing to sell out everyone else if it means a few more dollars a month for yourself.
Hi. I'm Joe Lieberman!
spinoza
And I'm Condi Rice!
hecate has mail back.
Hi. I'm Joe Lieberman!
Yep. Lieberman does not realise he is not part of the oligarchy. He is a mere pawn like the rest of the voters.
Oh, I know - but I still don't understand it. Terry C
I think of it as related to their level of social identification. The more broadly one defines one's group, the harder it is to disregard the impact of one's behavior on others. The authoritarian faithful define themselves in that context quite narrowly, by necessity.
About fifty miles northwest...
Terry C,
Living in the past, that is what the GOP has acheived!
Back to the twelfth century.
Magna Carta a dead letter.
The threat was picked up on www.debka.com, which posts commentary and analysis on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The site is known to have solid links to the Israeli intelligence and military communities, but only a so-so record on accuracy.
Debka monitors picked up a rush of suspected Al Qaeda chatter Thursday, the site said. One communication accused Americans of the "grave error" of failing to take seriously the videotape released by American Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn last week.
"But of course, if we just bombed Iran..."
The Plan is on schedule. Onward, Christian soldiers!
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Living in the past....what today's GOP party longs for.
That particular past would harken back to the days of [edited for Godwin's Law Breach].
Remote enough smalfish's wingnut wife can't fine me...
noblejoanie | 08.11.07 - 5:52 pm | #
and, too far to come enjoy the lake with me. shucks, anyway.
Brand power. Dems don't get it.
Fuck brand power. That is NOT the way to be trying to overcome.
Uh, yeah it is. We need brand power to accompany moral power.
"He really doesn't get that he is not a member of the oligarchy."
--blerb
Have you tried telling him that? Or is he too far gone to understand?
Yep. Lieberman does not realise he is not part of the oligarchy. He is a mere pawn like the rest of the voters.
Even Mongo knew not to vote Republican.
the democratic party just can't get itself to lie as hard as the republican party
It's not lying that's needed. It's a simple, three line, positive message that everyone understands and that evokes strong emotions. Dems need it and ain't got it.
The threat was picked up on www.debka.com, which posts commentary and analysis on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The site is known to have solid links to the Israeli intelligence and military communities, but only a so-so record on accuracy.
Now there's something you rarely see. A web address to some private web site in a news article.
ah, fokowi, that would have been swell.
Mr noblejoanie and I plan to sauna and go float in our lake to see the meteors, weather permitting!
Iraq controlled even in part by AQ is like Afghanistan under the Taliban on steroids.
Bullshit. AQ is Sunni; Iraq is majority Shiite. They'll squash 'em like a bug.
We should be able to do crystal meth and have gay sex with male hookers and not be worried about our wives finding out about it.
We should be able to send sexy text messages to teen-aged male pages and not be worried about any media type blabbing about it.
We should be able to offer oral sex to stocky black men at highway rest stops and not be worried about anybody arresting us.
Brand power. Dems don't get it.
Fuck brand power. That is NOT the way to be trying to overcome.
smalfish,suspect at all times | 08.11.07 - 5:51 pm | #
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Marketing works. People die when you don't do the right marketing.
God, I hope Sy Hersch's sources are still talking to him...
Have you tried telling him that? Or is he too far gone to understand?
mer
Sure, I tried a few times. But I like to have sex with my wife occasionally, you know? Mostly, we just stay off the subject of politics. It's funny, his brother who owns a cement business in NYC is way richer than he is and is a total liberal.
If the word of the week is "brand," then I guess we need it.
Whatever the word, we do need to clearly state our position.
Lizard!
Yes!!
Liberate the GOP!!
Living in the past....what today's GOP party longs for.
I used to think that they longed to a return to the Gilded age of the Rockefellers and the Carnegies. It seems now what they really want is 1930's style Stalinism.
Well, hell. Gotta go fix some dinner.
Uh, yeah it is. We need brand power to accompany moral power.
NTodd, God'sGiftToDouchebags
Except moral power in politics inevitably means I'm the meanest SOB in the valley...
Living in the past....what today's GOP party longs for.
Well, that and sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent.
It's not lying that's needed. It's a simple, three line, positive message that everyone understands and that evokes strong emotions. Dems need it and ain't got it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 5:56 pm | #
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Yes indeed.
Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear. The Republicans will always have that advantage no matter how clever we are about marketing our brand.
brain cells are telling me it's tequila time.
later, malcontents.
Living in the past....what today's GOP party longs for.
Well, that and sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent.
JeffCO
Would that make Matalin "Cross Eyed Mary"?
Well, that and sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent.
But at least their hair is perfect.
all these guys have to do is talk about the flag and the mouth-breathers have a wet dream. The Reagan and Bush family tax cuts have created a 20k birth tax for each child born
Does it seem to anyone else there is alot of free floating anger out there? Republican supporters angry their plans for world domination aren't working out, ascribing the fault to the liberal media and DFHs while the Dems more and more look like they can't unscrew the cap on the peanut butter jar leaving their supporters, oh, livid?
I swear, I think I eat dinner just so I can the wine these days.
I dunno. Something like:
No way the robber barrons get to make 100 times what workers make; no way Exxon gets to poision the planet, and no way the godbotherers get to tell you what to do in your bedroom
could go a long way.
Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear.
I don't think so. I think positive progressive politics is a message people would welcome. So long as it isn't delivered by a jellyfish.
Afternoon, rational people.
Would that make Matalin "Cross Eyed Mary"? Terry C
And Abu is loco, motive breath.
Except moral power in politics inevitably means I'm the meanest SOB in the valley...
Yeah, but that ain't moral power. Maybe morale power, or big red baboon ass power.
"Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear. The Republicans will always have that advantage no matter how clever we are about marketing our brand."
Unless the Retardicans are vilified, vilified, vilified. After all, any slogans or brands are only for the retards in the "undecided" category. "Ah down known- whuz the candidate thank about Melba Toast ?"
oh, yeah. and almost forgot.
peace
peace
fokowi at lake cabin
Same to ya -- pleasant evening, too!
Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear.
I wonder why the former seems to appeal more to our Euro friends, and the latter appeals more to our fellow Americans? Is it a "we got ours attitude"?
Anyway, your comment captures much of my feeling, and why more and more I just want to go live somewhere sane.
At our pot luck around the condo pool last night a neighbor told me she is an absolute news junkie and only watches Fox because they don't slant the news.
For a couple of minutes I thought maybe Fox was a different station here in DE. Alas no.
It's not lying that's needed. It's a simple, three line, positive message that everyone understands and that evokes strong emotions. Dems need it and ain't got it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 5:56 pm | #
that's true, fer sure...
but it gets really hard to defend yourself when the other side propogates the most outrageous fabrications with apparant impunity!
(warning: remarks larded with latinate terms to confuse the republican base)
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don't think so. I think positive progressive politics is a message people would welcome. So long as it isn't delivered by a jellyfish.
I don't necessarily think so either, but the GOP has done quite well for itself not trying to encourage people to reason their ways to the conclusion that their system is the best.
Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear. The Republicans will always have that advantage no matter how clever we are about marketing our brand.
I'm afraid blerb is absolutely right here, and that, my friends, is the biggest problem with trying to make the high road the desirable one.
big red baboon ass power.
I must admit. I like big butts.
The Republicans -
"Thank Heaven for Little Boys"
cspan has a sense of humor:
cspan2: 6-7p; james glassman ("Dow 36,000)
while the Dems more and more look like they can't unscrew the cap on the peanut butter jar leaving their supporters, oh, livid?
Those supporters (us) are still naive enough to think that party affiliation matters, when all it is is corporate sponsorship.
the rhetoric is there, but the role is to please the Campaign Contributors. Once a Dem's contributors are satisfied, the DLC-ist is ready to go home. Voters are cordially invited to either get rich and contribute to elections, or go screw.
Yeah, we're angry.
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Yeah, but that ain't moral power. Maybe morale power, or big red baboon ass power.
NTodd, God'sGiftToDouchebags
My point exactly. Moral power is impossible in politics.
Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear. The Republicans will always have that advantage no matter how clever we are about marketing our brand.
Orcinus has written a lot about the wingnut populism as based on the demonization of those who are viewed as outsiders of the group. Appeals to the ratbrain part.
Why I needed a screengrab earlier.
I think we have to know what we stand for as a party before we can brand a message. If our representatives are too skeered by the brainwashing the ratwing has done to take a fucking position, it's hard to boil it down in such a way as to communicate it effectively.
I don't think people are averse to thinking, but I do think we have to make it a lot more cogent, and not be having 19-point plans for everything as a way to explain our position.
It's not lying that's needed. It's a simple, three line, positive message that everyone understands and that evokes strong emotions. Dems need it and ain't got it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
1. Republicans are lying, degenerate, traitors.
2. They are destroying this country.
3 Why are you letting them?
There ya go...
I'm out. That wine won't drink itself.
It isn't a decision based on reason. There's also spousal, family, and peer circle pressure to vote a particular way.
Unless the Retardicans are vilified, vilified, vilified
Not going to work. I've been more than dismayed at the resurgence of prejudice, outwardly expressed and acted upon.
It was always there - it just wasn't considered polite to say so.
Now it's the thing to do.
Orcinus has written a lot about the wingnut populism as based on the demonization of those who are viewed as outsiders of the group. Appeals to the ratbrain part.
echidne
It's actually a recognized sociological function of groups.
What America depends on, IOW, is xenophobia. It's as American as apple pie.
Now it's the thing to do.
pie | 08.11.07 - 6:10 pm | #
Sure worked when Kerry was Swiftboated.
Fighting against republicanism seems to me, to be the wrong way to go about it.
How about inclusion instead of outright rejection? Everyone likes to be included, but political parties are really all about exclusion. Seems to me that this would be a more effective strategy.
But WTFDIK?
I wonder why the former seems to appeal more to our Euro friends, and the latter appeals more to our fellow Americans? Is it a "we got ours attitude"?
Well, to start with, Europeans aren't all exactly perfectly high-minded and prejudice-free, but they understand their own interests. I think this is largely because their system of political campaigning is largely regulated in such a way as not to give a massive advantage to those entities with the most money. They also have a much better system of primary and secondary education.
Beyond that, I'd say that the constant close proximity of different cultures as well as all the fairly recent bitter memories of highly destructive wars has forced them to take on a less chauvinistic worldview.
I think positive progressive politics is a message people would welcome. So long as it isn't delivered by a jellyfish.
What Snow said.
My point exactly. Moral power is impossible in politics.
I think it is. Many in politics, however, *confuse* other types of power for moral power.
And if we consider "Dems" to be "all members of the Democratic party," then you can see the non-politicians driving this...
The Republlicans want to take your Social Security away from you and make your aged mother pay thousands for her drugs.
OK?
Let's not forget what Yurp went through fifty years ago.
French media -- Chimpy invites Sarko to Maine, and doesn't serve lobster
Avant de partager un pique-nique de hamburgers et de hot-dogs -et non des homards, la spécialité locale- et de déguster une tarte aux myrtilles, M. Sarkozy, M. Bush et le pčre de ce dernier ont eu un entretien de 45 minutes.
http://info.france2.fr/monde/331...33143543-
fr.php
When I was a youngster growing up in California I alway wanted to sue that commie slut, Barbara Boxer, for forcing me to say that odious pledge, and now I want to sue her for cutting off my hero, Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma, for trying to show Al Gore at the Senate Committee Hearing that global warming is bogus.
"I think positive progressive politics is a message people would welcome. So long as it isn't delivered by a jellyfish."
Americans love seeing wrestlers threaten each other on TV. That's all I'm sayin'
I think positive progressive politics is a message people would welcome. So long as it isn't delivered by a jellyfish.
Draft Spiny Norman!
Why I needed a screengrab earlier.
Can't believe I missed reading the "as racist as their father" part earlier.
What America depends on, IOW, is xenophobia.
Heh. Two words I frequently use now when discussing politics - Xenophobia and jingoism.
Avant de partager un pique-nique de hamburgers et de hot-dogs -et non des homards, la spécialité locale
Took enough French to translate that.
Heh.
Heh. Two words I frequently use now when discussing politics - Xenophobia and jingoism.
Chris/tx | 08.11.07 - 6:14 pm | #
A great guitarist, now vilified....
today's web 2.0 marketing mission
-- go to every rightwing blog and post the following:
i went to the gay street fair in chicago today and these sponsors were there, with rainbow flags: bud, volvo. british tourism ...
watch the resulting firestorm
watch the sponsors say out loud in public that we support teh gays
mission accomplished
Let's face it -- appeals to reason and fairness and inclusiveness and the long view will always be much harder to make than appeals to prejudice, chauvinism, and fear. The Republicans will always have that advantage no matter how clever we are about marketing our brand.
It's really worth reading the abolitionist tracts or even "Common Sense" by Paine. These are "in the time" appeals to deep emotions. Compare to the Dems standard shopping list or imitations of what sort of worked 50 years ago.
In the last 100 years, the science of writing such stuff has progressed, but it has only been appreciated by bad guys and commercial users.
pique-nique--franglais, how cute
Let's not forget what Yurp went through fifty years ago.
Rebuilding?
What America depends on, IOW, is xenophobia. It's as American as apple pie.
Robert, you're more cyncial that I, but fine. Then make the chairman of Exxon Mobile "the other" just as they make "gays" and "illegal immigrants" the other. Hell, use the term "robbr barron." When Timmeh says, "But isn't that 'class war'?" say, "Hell, yes."
"pique-nique"
Americans love seeing wrestlers threaten each other on TV. That's all I'm sayin'
This is no different. You deliver your positive vision. Your opponent nay-says it. You hit him with a chair.
Avant de partager un pique-nique de hamburgers et de hot-dogs -et non des homards, la spécialité locale- et de déguster une tarte aux myrtilles, M. Sarkozy, M. Bush et le pčre de ce dernier ont eu un entretien de 45 minutes.
Hah -- comment about the fucking stupid menu. Plus, Mr. Bush's daddy was present for the meeting with Sarko?
He's such a tool.
Krumholz of Numbers
Truly, you are the Dick Cavett of the wingnut set.
Fighting against republicanism seems to me, to be the wrong way to go about it.
Republicans fight agains Democrats on a daily basis, for hours/day. What else is Rush, Savage, etc?
The failure of the Democrats to put up an insulting loudmouth to call THEM names is a big part of the "Democrats are spineless" meme.
Awful lot of people still operate on an elementary school playground level, and on that level, allowing yourself to be bullied is worse than fighting back and getting beaten. [i shan't insult you by describing the effect of sending the bully running with bloodied nose.]
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When Timmeh says, "But isn't that 'class war'?" say, "Hell, yes."
"And they started it."
Krumholz of Numbers
Truly, you are the Dick Cavett of the wingnut set.
JeffCO | 08.11.07 - 6:16 pm | #
He's more like the Dick Licker
The Republlicans want to take your Social Security away from you and make your aged mother pay thousands for her drugs.
OK?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 6:13 pm | #
with all respect, Hecate, i tried things like that when i was working for the army. the army guys were big limbaugh fans. the answer to something like what you just said?
"ha! class warfare! typical socialist rhetoric!"
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Its a psycho beta buckdown, baby!
When Timmeh says, "But isn't that 'class war'?" say, "Hell, yes."
I agree with Lakoff and others who've suggested the dumbest thing Dems ever did was let the GOP intimidate them into shutting up about class.
I so enjoyed reading through Brownback's rock solid American phrases.
A shining citadel on a hill. Sometimes they call it a shining city on a hill.
Whatever. One of those statements, you know, like carving half a fish with a stick in the sand.
Cynicus | 08.11.07 - 6:16 pm | #
Egg Zackly....
You deliver your positive vision. Your opponent nay-says it. You hit him with a chair.
A comfy chair?
He's more like the Dick Licker
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Wait, lemme see if I got this right.
The new leader of France comes for a visit to improve relations with this country and Dear Leader serves him hot dogs and hamburgers?
Oh, yeah. That'll getter done.
Tacitus,
I adore you, but you don't have a big microphone. We need years of Dems w/ big microphones, just as Rush has had.
I agree with Lakoff and others who've suggested the dumbest thing Dems ever did was let the GOP intimidate them into shutting up about class.
JeffCO
Allowing the word "liberal" to become pejorative was a serious fuckup too, I think.
pique-nique--franglais, how cute
noblejoanie | 08.11.07 - 6:15 pm | #
actually, it seems that 'pique-niquer' is french in origin...
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i shan't insult you by describing the effect of sending the bully running with bloodied nose
Two words: Scut Farkus.
I'm not saying, of course, that we couldn't and shouldn't get better about selling our brand, just that it's not so easy for us as it is for them.
Or, we could keep doing what we're doing. Nineteen point plans and caving every time that KKkarl swats his hands with his leather cudgel and looks meaniningfully at some bluedog seats. It's worked so well up until now.
It appears Atrios is into photographing red food, must have a good cell phone camera, as I can't see anyone taking out a full size Nikon every time something delicious appears.
I suppose it could've been worse: grilled American cheese sammiches with the crust cut off the Wonder Bread.
adore you, but you don't have a big microphone.
You really know how to hurt a guy.
actually, it seems that 'pique-niquer' is french in origin...
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Tacitus Voltaire
Really? I didn't think so.
with all respect, Hecate, i tried things like that when i was working for the army. the army guys were big limbaugh fans. the answer to something like what you just said?
"ha! class warfare! typical socialist rhetoric!"
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Tacitus Voltaire | 08.11.07 - 6:17 pm | #
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You can't just "say" a branding message. The Rethugs spent 30 years building a brand with a mix of sophisticated marketing and they had enormous advantages. People react like that because emotionally they already "know" otherwise.
pique-nique--franglais, how cute
noblejoanie | 08.11.07 - 6:15 pm | #
actually, it seems that 'pique-niquer' is french in origin...
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Tacitus Voltaire
Englich, then?
Fighting against republicanism seems to me, to be the wrong way to go about it.
1. We have been called traitors and worse by evil people for 30 years.
2. It worked.
3. The strategy of doing absolutely nothing but bending over and grabbing our collective ankles for 30 years hasn't worked, but hey...
4. Maybe they'll stop now if we're just a little nicer.
Actually, we have to go back to RFK speeches. Lotsa gold in them thar words.
The republican platform is basically racist. It appeals to the tribal instincts of the down trodden and disadvantaged. It suggests there is a zero sum game in which their wealth has been stolen by negroes, mexicans and those perfidious french. Why would service workers vote for republicans? They find assurance. And democrats have been framed as stealing money from them. They need to realiaze they are being stolen blind right now. I am somewhat amazed the minorities have not yet burned down our cities a la 1960s. All I can imagine is that many of them are in prison for no good reason (+2 million) and there are a lot of pacifiers out there that were not around in the 1960s.
And why are these Christianist nut jobs like Brownback any better than the Taliban?
Then make the chairman of Exxon Mobile "the other" just as they make "gays" and "illegal immigrants" the other. Hell, use the term "robbr barron."
Yes. Let's point out who's really running this show. the dems and repubs are all at the beck and call of these people. Why is that so difficult to understand? How is that it gets left out of every conversation about politics? The only thing I could alter there is putting names in places of titles. But it would work either way.
Maybe they'll stop now if we're just a little nicer.
And, of course, let's pick an antichoicer to head our party. Then, all the xianists will love us for sure!
I want leaders with fire in their bellies, righteous anger. This isn't about being rude, it's about call out the bullshit.
Nancy and Harry would have you over for tea.
Actually, we have to go back to RFK speeches. Lotsa gold in them thar words.
Gilly Gonzylon
Fuckin' chokes me up every time I hear that guy talk. He was even better than his brother. That's why they could never let him become president.
Hi. I'm Joe Lieberman!
spinoza
ANTI - SEMITE!!!
Two words: Scut Farkus.
Two more: Who dat?
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For instance, I would a new project for our economy and national security. I would like to build a high speed rail network basically along the paths of our interstate highway system. This system will change the we travel; reducing our dependence on foreign oil and allowing more Americans to travel all over the country spending tourist dollars everywhere.
My opponent will say this idea will cost too much money.
It will cost exactly the same as one war in Iraq. Now why does my opponent think it is ok to spend that money on Iraqis but not Americans. Why does my opponent not want to free our national security from dependence upon foreign oil. Why doesn't my opponent want to encourage tourism and economic growth.
Now he is on the defensive from a positive idea for progress.
picnic
1748 (in Chesterfield's "Letters"), but rare before c.1800 as an Eng. institution, from Fr. piquenique (1692), perhaps a reduplication of piquer "to pick, peck," from O.Fr. (see pike (2)), or the second element may be nique "worthless thing," from a Gmc. source. Originally a fashionable pot-luck social affair, not necessarily out of doors. Figurative sense of "something easy" is from 1886.
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I want leaders with fire in their bellies, righteous anger. This isn't about being rude, it's about call out the bullshit.
I want the political equivalent of Carrie at the fucking Prom...
Then make the chairman of Exxon Mobile "the other" just as they make "gays" and "illegal immigrants" the other. Hell, use the term "robbr barron."
Yes. Let's point out who's really running this show. the dems and repubs are all at the beck and call of these people. Why is that so difficult to understand?
I'm with you, smalfish. That's why it's good to stroke those who do this, like Newsweek with its cover story on the oil companies funding the climate change deniers.
One communication accused Americans of the "grave error" of failing to take seriously the videotape released by American Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn last week.
"But of course, if we just bombed Iran..."
LOL. Suckas!
Gilly Gonzylon |
Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.
I want the political equivalent of Carrie at the fucking Prom...
IOW, if they bleed, they lead.
Contards were specially picked because of the attributes they possess: fear, ignorance, arrogance, belligerence, bigotry, and low self-esteem. Bush's political strategists calculated that the people most easily misled and controlled are the ones who fit your profile, so
they crafted their propaganda just for them.
A comfy chair?
No, a metal fold-up! Don't you watch wrasslin', wanker!
It appears Atrios is into photographing red food, must have a good cell phone camera, as I can't see anyone taking out a full size Nikon every time something delicious appears.
It's a Fuji FinePix V10.
Would you like to know more?
4. Maybe they'll stop now if we're just a little nicer.
driftglass
It frustrates the shit out of me. Hit them with the fucking chair, call them liars when they lie, bang away incessantly about how unAmerican and un-patriotic it is to usurp the Constitution and use fear as a controlling mechanism, call them out on their cronyism . . . I think people can understand this stuff. But someone has to say it out loud.
It frustrates the shit out of me. Hit them with the fucking chair, call them liars when they lie, bang away incessantly about how unAmerican and un-patriotic it is to usurp the Constitution and use fear as a controlling mechanism, call them out on their cronyism . . . I think people can understand this stuff. But someone has to say it out loud.
V for Virginia | 08.11.07 - 6:26 pm | #
Cliff Schecter to the rescue.
Tacitus Voltaire
Very interesting -- thanks!
You can't just "say" a branding message. The Rethugs spent 30 years building a brand with a mix of sophisticated marketing and they had enormous advantages. People react like that because emotionally they already "know" otherwise.
rootless2 | 08.11.07 - 6:20 pm | #
true - and republicans have worked so hard to re-brand democrats as wanting to raise taxes, increase the size and power of governments, and sing kumbayah with islamic fundamentalists, & etc, & etc...
we have to un-brand ourselves from the republican definition before we can really enforce our own definition of our brand image
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Someone should sue Brownback over all that lacquer he uses on his hair. It has to be environmentally unsafe.
They say stuff like that all the time, but who gives them the megaphone they need to say it to the whole country?
I want the political equivalent of Carrie at the fucking Prom...
driftglass | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 6:24 pm | #
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That's part of it. When Kerry told George Bush in the debates "you are a good man, a good father", I nearly kicked in the TV. Not only was that a lie, but it supported the base marketing pitch of the Rethugs and it fit into the condescending "think they are better than you" democrat story.
We should be able to offer oral sex to stocky black men at highway rest stops and not be worried about anybody arresting us.
shapeshifting lizard |
How does a republican define "freedom"?
Can you imagine if a Democratic Senator was caught in a whorehouse wearing a diaper? What the heck are the Dems waiting for? By the time the election rolls around next year, the sheeple will be huddled indoors watching the WeatherChannel, staying away from windows and doors.
Now he is on the defensive from a positive idea for progress.
Snow, Liberal
I can come to Charleston to work on your campaign, and it wouldn't be the first time!
I think people can understand this stuff. But someone has to say it out loud.
V for Virginia
Edwards actually said exactly that at the AFL-CIO dealy:
"Edwards: It’s too long. And we have to stop playing nice. We have to beat these people.
"How does a republican define "freedom"?"
No condom.
I was listening to some Pox owned radio station in Boston on the internets last week. It was a call in show - "Who is the more corrupt politician?" The caller replies - Reid, Edwards.
The problem with the human race is that it has produced too many Brownbacks.
It frustrates the shit out of me. Hit them with the fucking chair, call them liars when they lie, bang away incessantly about how unAmerican and un-patriotic it is to usurp the Constitution and use fear as a controlling mechanism, call them out on their cronyism . . . I think people can understand this stuff. But someone has to say it out loud.
Those inside the system would never be so rude to fellow members of the country club. Those outside will never be heard.
See "How the Soviet System Outlasted Anyone Who Believed in It by Over 30 Years", by Cynicus, as soon as i get around to writing it.
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Well, that and sitting on a park bench, eyeing little girls with bad intent
Hey, Aqualung!!
Who is this bloggus that knows the specs on our host's food camera?
But sure, tell me more. For instance, when the food appears does he say "wait!", dives into the backpack producing the FujiFinepixv10, gets the light just right, and voila!
Bloggable food pix.
rootless2 -- Kerry really pissed me off by not whacking the swiftboat liars for lies with a baseball bat, too.
Boston is beset with the same kind of malicious loons who infest national Talk Radio.
Here we have Jay Severin, Howie Carr and some other sub-human life types.
One little busted sprinkler head and every damn earthworm in Texas had a convention there while I was fixing it.
Blech.
Anybody else fucking pissed at the media giving that mining fuck a platform to spew anti-union hatred?
Most people hate their boss.
Most people love their aged mother.
Most people have someplace outdoors that they love now or loved in their childhoods.
Or, we could propose 19 point plans, say that we agree with the Repukes about abortion and gay marriage but won't change the law, and cave when Karl tells us to. It's worked so well recently.
Can you imagine if a Democratic Senator was caught in a whorehouse wearing a diaper?
No. Fucking. Shit.
"How does a republican define "freedom"?"
"How to Achieve The New World Order" -- title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine
(March 1994)
How does a dem define freedom?
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.."--
Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a
There is also the need to defeat the rethug brands - one of which is an easy assumption of moral superiority. I'd contribute to a campaign to target rethug right-to-lifers with graphic photographs of dead iraqi children and effects of illegal abortions and how unwanted children are abused and make them feel the contradiction.
I agree: Brownback is a Midwestern Salafist.
Anybody else fucking pissed at the media giving that mining fuck a platform to spew anti-union hatred?
i was waiting for him to announce that the cause of the cave-in was the presence of the UMW.
Or did he say that when i wasn't watching?
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One little busted sprinkler head and every damn earthworm in Texas had a convention there while I was fixing it.
That's called a free lunch.
I was listening to one wingnut rail about Dems standing behind wrongdoing Dems while Republicans don't so that.
I said "Senator David Vitter."
He looked at me like I speaking in Klingon. There is a reality gap. And we're need to close that gap by bringing some mouthbreathers closer to reality.
Who is this bloggus that knows the specs on our host's food camera?
Save picture to your computer; right click on image, select properties > EXIF tags.
Tells you everything except what kind of wine he had.
Killfile is so handy.
Here we have Jay Severin, Howie Carr and some other sub-human life types.
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What about Emily Rooney's program? I only catch it on Fridays, but they're pretty straight up.
But maybe you're just considering talk radio
hen Kerry told George Bush in the debates "you are a good man, a good father", I nearly kicked in the TV.
Exactly. And how did Snarley Dick turn around and return the favor? Called Edwards a MIA slackjaw who never showed up for work. And Edwards sat there and smiled politely at him.
gun. knife fight. jebuz.
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles . . . that we are unable to think about reality."
amazing how the meaning of a statement changes when you cut off half of the sentence.
Well, it's incredibly frustrating. I know that someone needs to create a spellbinding persuasive story, but my appreciation of marketing brilliance is not accompanied by any talent at all for creating such messages.
Well, it's incredibly frustrating. I know that someone needs to create a spellbinding persuasive story, but my appreciation of marketing brilliance is not accompanied by any talent at all for creating such messages.
The person needs to tap the American myths about people being kind and neighborly and fair and upright, and that all this is what America is and what needs to be protected, not the other shit about fearfearfear.
but my appreciation of marketing brilliance is not accompanied by any talent at all for creating such messages.
Sometimes those who polish diamonds just need someone to give them an unpolished diamond.
I'm neutral on Emily Rooney. She's hardly liberal but not whacko rightwing either.
One time she said she would love to have Coultergeist on because Emily said, "She's good TV!"
But it's also important to refocus the anger of the low-earning right-wingers. Their anger is real but it has been directed at strawpeople, not the real culprits. You can get to this in private conversations if you stay fairly gentle.
Fundamentalist Christians fetishize stuff like school prayer and public displays of the Decalogue because liberals freak out about them and make their defense by the fundamentalists an ideological necessity.
I was listening to one wingnut rail about Dems standing behind wrongdoing Dems while Republicans don't so that.
I said "Senator David Vitter."
He looked at me like I speaking in Klingon. There is a reality gap. And we're need to close that gap by bringing some mouthbreathers closer to reality.
In the putz's defense, when you see a Congresscritter on teebee for scandal, you get one of two things:
If he's a Democrat, you get "DEMOCRAT Senator Doe, DEMOCRAT, did a corrupt DEMOCRAT thing today, and his DEMOCRAT ass was caught....."etc and so forth. As the prime time lead.
If a Republican gets on teebee for it , you get a quietly voiced "Senator Rowe was arraigned today for politically-motivated false charges. No comment yet from the brave, falsely-accused Senator." and carefully NO mention of Party affiliation. On the bottom ticker. At 3 AM.
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Anybody else fucking pissed at the media giving that mining fuck a platform to spew anti-union hatred?
I'm pissed at the Dems who won't show up and explain why these tragedies are happening because of union busting and because Bush put mining company lobbyists in charge of mine safety.
But, then, that would be "unseemly".
Doesn't stop the wingnut, though, does it? He's standing on top of the bodies of dead miners and spewing his talking points. And, who's winning?
Thank you for the full quote, linda.
Sheets.
rootless2 -- Kerry really pissed me off by not whacking the swiftboat liars for lies with a baseball bat, too.
V for Virginia | 08.11.07 - 6:31 pm | #
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All persuasive lies start have something like truth in them - and Kerry is a condescending upper class east coast elitist who thinks he is better than everyone else. Good marketing turns that into FDR, bad marketing turns it in waffling over whether getting down and dirty would be dignified.
Thank you for the full quote, linda.
I agree.
Toby's here. Must not be anymore dogs to set on fire or 9/11 widows to sexually villify.
Cliff Schecter to the rescue.
No fucking shit. Why he isn't head of PR for the Dems is a mystery for the ages.
If a Republican gets on teebee for it , you get a quietly voiced "Senator Rowe was arraigned today for politically-motivated false charges. No comment yet from the brave, falsely-accused Senator." and carefully NO mention of Party affiliation. On the bottom ticker. At 3 AM.
Faux Noise has changed that paradigm. They now treat the offending as a Democrat, so much so as to describe as a Democrat. "Sen. David Vitter (D- La.) was unveiled has having visited a prostitute Faux Noise has learned."
Hecate, why are you such a liar? I really want to know what it's like to be so easy with lying.
but my appreciation of marketing brilliance is not accompanied by any talent at all for creating such messages.
rootless2 |
That makes two of us, rootless2.
I do long for the rhetoric that would match "Ask not what your country can do for you..."
Taking words out of context is a form of lying. It's this basic lesson every Gooper must learn:
"Fuck facts, just make shit up about Dems!"
Bush's political strategists calculated that the people most easily misled and controlled are the ones who fit your profile, so
they crafted their propaganda just for them.
Gilly Gonzylon
Fits right in with destroying the public school system.
I agree with Lakoff and others who've suggested the dumbest thing Dems ever did was let the GOP intimidate them into shutting up about class.
JeffCO
The dumbest thing the democrats ever did was to want to be part of the club, selling out their own constituents in the process.
Then make the chairman of Exxon Mobile "the other" just as they make "gays" and "illegal immigrants" the other. Hell, use the term "robbr barron."
Yes. Let's point out who's really running this show. the dems and repubs are all at the beck and call of these people. Why is that so difficult to understand? How is that it gets left out of every conversation about politics? The only thing I could alter there is putting names in places of titles. But it would work either way.
smalfish,suspect at all times |
This would actually work, but we cannot count on the democratic party to do it. They're still trying to curry favor with the very same people.This has to start at the 'netroots.
It will cost exactly the same as one war in Iraq. Now why does my opponent think it is ok to spend that money on Iraqis but not Americans. Why does my opponent not want to free our national security from dependence upon foreign oil. Why doesn't my opponent want to encourage tourism and economic growth.
Now he is on the defensive from a positive idea for progress.
Snow, Liberal
And we will never see a democratic candidate for president take this approach, unless his name is Kucinich, because it would piss off the lobbyists. Lobbyists are people too, right Hillary?
Tobe, you stupid motherfucker!
Nice to have ya back!
Now, what's all this about fetishism!
Nibbled Ann Coulter's tootsies lately?
I agree with Lakoff and others who've suggested the dumbest thing Dems ever did was let the GOP intimidate them into shutting up about class.
JeffCO
No shit. All the Pukes have to do is scream "class warfare" and the big brave Dems right away start backing off, yelling Me No Alamo.
Ain't no way to win.
I prefer saying, "one nation under Sam Brownback". You have to admit, it kinda sounds naughty.
If these miners are rescued it will be hailed as miracle.
And if not, it'll be seen as "God's will".
Apparently, God enjoys being a dick from time to time.
There's not a chance in hell Brownback gets the nomination. He's an extreme right nutjob and damned proud of it.
Sounds like precisely the kind of jackass the Republican primary voters are likely to love.
The conversation about class won't return until somebody figures out a way to let blu collar folk rule. Rich folk rule the democratic party, and they won't talk about class because they know their lives suck.
Actually I believe Senator Sam is speaking of this "flag salute" in his remarks:
Originally, the pledge was said with the hand in the so-called “Bellamy Salute,” with the hand resting first outward from the chest, then the arm extending out from the body. Once Hitler came to power in Europe, some Americans were concerned that this position of the arm and hand resembled the salute rendered by the Nazi military. In 1942, Congress established the current practice of rendering the pledge with the right hand placed flat over the heart.
Sissies. How dare they deprive Sam and his cohorts of their gawd-given right to heil Hitl . . . er, I mean, to salute the flag?
Iowa Straw-
$35 per vote:
Today for $35 i had 3 fish tacos, cilantro mashed potatoes, black beans, a margarita, and a beer. I win.
Hecate, why are you such a liar? I really want to know what it's like to be so easy with lying.
Toby Petzold
-Leave Hecate alone.
Why don't you ask pResident Bush those questions?
You have to read it with the secret Christian rightie decoder ring to read the real message Brownback intends, which is:
"We should be able to force others to say one nation Under God and the flag salute and not be worried about anybody suing us."
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