I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Oh Yeh
Crazy mofo!
Go Dawgs!
McCain preparing to oppose bailout, will then attempt to pivot and use it to club Obama.
enjoy yourself.
McCain said he was against earmarks as well, turns out he voted for some 144 billion dollars of them in 6 [of 26 years in senate] years per the CRS.
fuck tbone... this $700 billion is the biggest transfer of fucking wealth in the history of mankind. at least when we send money to the middle east we get something in fucking return.
$700B with no strings attached. feh. i can't even begin to process that...
S A T U R D A Y....NIGHT!
soixth.
Good luck tomorrow, Atrios! Don't forget, start slow.
Enjoy what? Watching my money go down the shitter?
*sigh*
At least this 700 billion isn't being used to kill people...
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I'm provoked to say it again: universal health care results, in country after country, in a system that covers everybody, costs a bit more than half what we pay in America per capita, and yields better health statistics across the board.
Point of fact, we can't afford NOT to pass universal health care, and significant reform. What passes for McCain's health plan is surpassingly stupid, and will predictably worsen both cost and access to care, while enriching for-profit insurance companies.
NO BAY CITY ROLLERS!!!
I intend to enjoy every single Saturday night left to me.
NO BAY CITY ROLLERS!!!
Mr French | 09.20.08 - 10:52 pm | #
FU, French!
Mr French:
S-A-TUR-DAY... NIGHT!
Go to hell Gilly!!!
OK -- I'm a thread killer!
God Night & Good Luck!
Hecate: anything I can do to help you in this life mission...
Put on your White Sheet, Mama, 'cause we're going out tonight. - Ron Fournier
Tour de force in injecting racism into the Presidential election as an ok thing.
Baycity Rollers.
Weren't they the Beta Backstreet Boys?
Well it's a saturday night and I ain't go no money.
I got a honey and I just got laid.
Point of fact, we can't afford NOT to pass universal health care, and significant reform.
In for a trillion, in for a trillion more.
There's no reason why a Dem administration should be suckered into fiscal restraint when the GOP has shown that it's just waiting for the prospect to take the reins of the economy and ride it till it needs shooting.
Hi Hecate!
Squeezed out 234 lbs of pears today.
Accountablity, bitches
I'm going to go back to doing genealogy and pretending that I'm a gorilla and not one of those looney assholes with golden umbrellas.
how i wish i had someone to talk to
im inanawfulway
Gonna fuck my baby in the ass tonight
A Saturday night, Saturday night!
Gonna fill her colon like a water hose
A Saturday night, Saturday night!
Hecate: anything I can do to help you in this life mission...
don't tempt me . . . .
I have rye, I have pastis, I have Peychaud's.
I am set to be be-Sazerac'd.
smalfish, if you got a honey and you just got laid, what are you complaining about?
Accountablity is the last thing anyone running a corporation is interested in.
The whole point is to avoid accountablity.
NO BAY CITY ROLLERS!!!
Always loved Nick Lowe's tribute to them:
"Gonna see the Rollers!
Got a ticket to the Bay City Rollers!"
I had a very cool night.
234 lbs of pears today.
If Molly puts together Eschacon in DC in April, I hope you'll bring some; sampling your harvests was one of the highlights of Eschacon Philly!
Squeezed out 234 lbs of pears today. - FeralLiberal
Sounds painful. Better ask ProfWombat how you should deal with your electolyte imbalance.
There's no reason why a Dem administration should be suckered into fiscal restraint when the GOP has shown that it's just waiting for the prospect to take the reins of the economy and ride it till it needs shooting.
Let's set it strait.
There will be no economy by the time Obama gets in office.
sampling your harvests was one of the highlights of Eschacon Philly!
You are too kind! If I'm there, there will be wine.
let's face it, dems are pussies.
Comment by gary in fl blocked
Repo man come for your trailer yet, asshole?
Shorter Ron Fournier: RUN! RUN!! HERE COMES THE NIGGER!!!
gary in fl | 09.20.08 - 10:59 pm | #
let's face it, Naderites are zeroes. Bitch and moan, and that's it.
There will be no economy by the time Obama gets in office.
smalfish | 09.20.08 - 10:58 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I sometimes feel as if we are watching the last days of Rome. The Barbarians are at the gates and we have nowhere to go.
At least this 700 billion isn't being used to kill people directly...
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MisterX | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 10:52 pm | #
Forged your tongs.
The uberwealthy needn't be martyred unto death nor even abject poverty. They can each become a ranch house dwelling, grocery store checkout clerk working, hand me down wearing bunch of struggling folks like the rest of us. The bulk of their vast wealth can be surrendered to the cause and they can once again display their innate superiority over us by showing the rest of America how one just works one's way into wealth. We'll all pay attention this time, promise.
Sounds painful. Better ask ProfWombat how you should deal with your electolyte imbalance
I am a bit stiff though, took all day, but should yield about 3 1/2 cases of finished wine.
Oh gary, stop making blanket statements that may or may not be true.
"Shorter Ron Fournier: RUN! RUN!! HERE COMES THE NIGGER!!!"
OMFG..WE GOTTA SELL THE HOUSE!
enjoy yourself.
Cougarhutch | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 10:46 pm | #
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Well if you insist.
Hecate: I'd never dream of it...
pseud: you miss my point. Done correctly, competently, and with better results, a reformed health care system providing universal coverage would cost less, not more, than our current system. Examples exist across the industrialized world: France, Australia, Germany, Japan, Spain, others. The cost savings would be a return to the primacy of primary care, sane utilization of technology and specialist care, negotiating authority for drug costs, an end to wasteful profit-making entities which duplicate, and strangle, needed services in community hospitals, a decrease in defensive medicine with a more reliable system for identification and indemnification of victims of medical mishap and malpractice. And I'm just warming up...
I sometimes feel as if we are watching the last days of Rome. The Barbarians are at the gates and we have nowhere to go.
therealhellkitty
we'll always have memories of eschaton.
Yeahhh.
And I'm just warming up...
ProfWombat
Don't forget Poland. I mean Canada.
Any suggestions that the uberwealthy be taxed would have to assume that there is a group of people who are NOT uberwealthy that have the guts and brains to go after them.
Who pays for their time?
That was one of the reasons that the loss of Elliot Spitzer was so tragic. He was one of the few people they were afraid of and of course they got rid of him.
ProfWombat, the numbers for universal health care have been on the table for 40 years. Rumor has it we damn near got it under Nixon.
I might have a different opinion of him had that a) been true and b) came to pass.
marlins robbed by blown call at the plate; phillies win; good luck & god bless. and to think I've gotten sports intensive (& am doing volunteer work for BHO) so that the Talking Heads don't drive me crazy--but now the refs & umps are--in essence, I've gone from your Hannitys to your Hochuelis. guy can't catch a break.
well, at least the Hurricanes & Gators looked good (yes, I am one of the select few who like 'em both); dolphin futility continues tomorrow--
sometimes i really hate sofla.
we'll always have memories of eschaton.
Intertubes will likely be among the first cuts at the smalfish house.
Don't forget Poland. I mean Canada.
Ali | 09.20.08 - 11:02 pm | #
Them Polacks got it coming.
we'll always have memories of eschaton.
smarty jones | 09.20.08 - 11:01 pm | #
I'm going to laugh because the alternative........
Why are gnomes buying underpants anyway?
I never know what's really going on...
to answer from below:
Each, or the whole bunch? How many Dodge Omnis, Ford Tauruses, Toyota Camrys in that group? -ronjazz
lol. for the fleet- mostly vintage Fords & Chevys'. I think a couple of Triumphs and an Austin-Healy or Alpha-something - I'm ignorant in the ways of autos...
.
Wombat's First Rule of Fluid and Electrolyte Management is that, in the absence of congestive heart failure, end stage liver disease, out of control diabetes and renal disease, the kidneys are smarter than the doctor, so you give them enough stuff to work with and they'll fix things up better than you could.
DeLong:
There is a 40% chance John McCain will be president on January 21, 2009.
There is no way in hell that anybody should give any extra power to any Treasury Secretary chosen by John McCain.
Imagine Phil Gramm with dictatorial power over $700bn.
Not sure where you're going with all that, "Le Jackel(sic)", but do continue...
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Gonna fill her colon like a water hose
A Saturday night, Saturday night!
Supreme Commander Thor
The Illinois Enema Bandit
I heard he's on the looooose
I heard he's on the loose
Perhaps we should put kidneys in charge of the financial crisis.
OK, this financial meltdown thing is all very interesting, but can we start talking about REAL news now???
Intertubes will likely be among the first cuts at the smalfish house.
smalfish
i'm seeing if i can borrow some of the hamsters that were powering holden's first draft.
Perhaps we should put kidneys in charge of the financial crisis.
Ali | 09.20.08 - 11:05 pm | #
I think that is already the case; seems to be a serious shortage of brains involved.
Ohh, now I feel all woozy.
ProfWombat, the sad news is, my former SIL, asshole that he is, has reached the point where he requires a liver transplant.
He's a delusional dick, but I do feel kind of bad for the guy.
He's unraveling. I picked Maddy up this morning and he was sobbing. In Starbucks. Just losing it.
"I sometimes feel as if we are watching the last days of Rome. The Barbarians are at the gates and we have nowhere to go."
therealhellkitty
At the gates?! We're being sacked hard enough to make a Visigoth blush. The Gaul of these people!
I am a bit stiff though, took all day, but should yield about 3 1/2 cases of finished wine.
FeralLiberal | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:00 pm |
How does your wine turn out?
I've got 3 pear trees, but every time I try to make wine it sucks (only once, but it really sucked so I'm afraid to try again)
I've been sticking to canning jam.
Any tips?
Imagine Phil Gramm with dictatorial power over $700bn.
When I think of Phil Gramm, I imagine his head on a pike.
That's just me.
sallyh!
Nothing new about this health care stuff. Agreed entirely. As are, I might add, solid majorities of the American people, in poll after poll.
A naive observer might think a politician running for, say a major elective office, might take this issue and run with it...
700 billion?
The pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.
I think that is already the case; seems to be a serious shortage of brains involved.
Zombies ate them.
That was one of the reasons that the loss of Elliot Spitzer was so tragic. He was one of the few people they were afraid of and of course they got rid of him.
But - but - he had sex with a callgirl! All the liberals were up in arms about it!!! (And I'm not kidding...)
pseud: you miss my point. Done correctly, competently, and with better results, a reformed health care system providing universal coverage would cost less, not more, than our current system.
I don't need convincing. Really. Believe me.
I do think the up-front costs are a problem. But heh, since we're in the mood, nationalise Aetna, UnitedHealth, BCBS and the other parasites.
I'm ruthless about this: I want every fucker who thrusts a clipboard at you before you get to see a medical professional forced to find alternative employment. I don't care if they lose their homes, to be honest. If you are a billing person at a hospital, you are part of the problem and your unemployment is ambrosia to my lips.
OK, this financial meltdown thing is all very interesting, but can we start talking about REAL news now???
dave™© | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:06
This is not okay and will not work.
On c-span2/BookTV now:
Bottlemania: How Water Went on Sale and Why We Bought It
Author: Elizabeth Royte
About the Program
In "Bottlemania" Elizabeth Royte reports on the bottled water phenomenon, saying water sales have now surpassed sales of milk and beer. She discusses the environmental impact of discarded bottles and calls attention to water rights battles between bottling corporations and the communities where the water originates. Ms. Royte warns consumers about bottled water, saying bottled water plants are inspected only once a year, much less frequently than city water systems.
About the Author
Elizabeth Royte is the author of "Garbage Land" and "The Tapir's Morning Bath." She has written for the New York Times Magazine, Harper's, National Geographic, Outside, Smithsonian, and the New Yorker.
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Perhaps we should put kidneys in charge of the financial crisis.
Ali | 09.20.08 - 11:05 pm | #
Did someone call me?
Generally the day Atriots are courteous to a fault, the night Atriots are weird and prickly.
Treasury press release -- they'll find a way to include Caymans hedge funds
To qualify for the program, assets must have been originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008. Participating financial institutions must have significant operations in the U.S., unless the Secretary makes a determination, in consultation with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, that broader eligibility is necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets.
That was one of the reasons that the loss of Elliot Spitzer was so tragic. He was one of the few people they were afraid of and of course they got rid of him.
He got rid of himself. Was it too much to ask of a man that he, you know, not cheat on his wife?
Ms. Royte warns consumers about bottled water, saying bottled water plants are inspected only once a year, much less frequently than city water systems.
The plastic bottles also leech cancer-causing carcinogens into that water. Double fun!
dsllyh: jeez, that's so tough on everybody. Sorry to hear that. Not much you can do to mitigate, save provide a safe harbor.
He sounds as if he's hardly in control. Not ideal for a drug abuser with liver disease. Doesn't look good.
More disclosure: in my time in the US (regulars may know that I am a filthy foreign expat) I have not seen a doctor once. I would sooner die in a ditch than contribute a nickel to the evil that is the American healthcare system. If I break a bone, I'll set it myself.
My health insurance policy of last resort is an open-ended one-way flight.
Don't forget Poland. I mean Canada.
Ali
hey Canada, can we talk? this is really embarrassing but, um, things aren’t really so good right now and I was thinking maybe, and only if you have it ...
He got rid of himself. Was it too much to ask of a man that he, you know, not cheat on his wife?
Ah, liberals... always with the eye on the ball!
"Katrina looters deserve maximum sentences! but it's okay for Paulson to steal 700 billion"-repubs
Sallyh: liver transplant?
jeez, he's just a kid, isn't he?
pseudonymous in nc
You are not alone, I find myself very angry if asked about insurance before my health at any medical facility.
'Privatizing Profits, Socializing Losses' So says Michelle Malkin about the Mother of All Bail-Outs, adding: I have had it with Pollyanna conservatives who continue to parrot the “fundamentals of the market are great!” line.The fundamentals of the market suck. The fundamentals of capitalism have been sabotaged.
Is Malkin unbamboozling herself?
of course they got rid of him.
spoc ko Bankster-American | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:02 pm |
I don't know if we can really blame the GOP for that.
He got rid of himself. Was it too much to ask of a man that he, you know, not cheat on his wife?
DJ | 09.20.08 - 11:09 pm | #
Yes, that's such a serious and rare crime. That's an infantile response, to get rid of him for that. He wasn't hired to be faithful to his wife.
Prof Wombat,
You probably know this but...
something that not too many people are aware of is the cost to families in lost wages and expenses for what Medicare doesn't pay in end-stage care for the terminally ill is $.5 trillion per year.
LOL Echidne. I didn't, but I have no doubt you'd be far better at sorting this out than the current lot.
LOL Echidne. I didn't, but I have no doubt you'd be far better at sorting this out than the current lot.
I would be. And that is a very sad thing in itself.
what i would like to know is how much real estate was lost over the last three years alone to disasters alone.
the people that lost houses in the fires, floods, tornados and what not surly did not all own the houses freehold? and those that still payed of the mortgage, - are they still paying?
How much real eastate value has been lost in dollars.
is this detail factored into the bail out, the people without houses and rotten land, will they be re-compensated? Or do they continue to pay their mortgage now to the government?
s
Chimpos: The Hands of Fate
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/sl...bed5549321039b/
Spitzer was so god-damned stupid about how he went about cheating on his wife...
Chimpos: The Hands of Fate
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/sl...bed5549321039b/
P O'Neill
paging Watertiger..
LSU 26, Auburn 20.
Excellent game.
Geaux Tigers!
pseud: yup.
Real reform in health care would be a major economic shift. Hospitals are not uncommonly the largest employer in a town. Lots of people work as coders, or claims managers, or elsewhere in a system with an unacceptable overhead of something like 30% (Medicare's is around 5%), and there's no denying they'd be hurt.
Non-health businesses would have more money, though. And overall, costs would go down.
Yes, that's such a serious and rare crime.
Infidelity ruined John McCain's political career-- ohwaitaminnit, I meant Newt Gingrich-- ohwaitaminnit, I meant Larry Craig-- ohwaitaminnit...
He got rid of himself. Was it too much to ask of a man that he, you know, not cheat on his wife?
DJ | 09.20.08 - 11:09 pm | #
Yes, that's such a serious and rare crime. That's an infantile response, to get rid of him for that. He wasn't hired to be faithful to his wife.
ronjazz
It shouldn't matter, but the Rovian media has made it so. What is sad is that Spitzer should have known that ANYTHING he did out of line would be used against him. He had to be double careful and he wasn't. An affair shouldn't be a firing offense and really should be just between spouses.
But it isn't.
focus, we left our cash in our other pants, sorry.
/Canada.
Classic Toles cartoon http://bigpicture.typepad.com/
ph...needlepoint.gif
jeez, he's just a kid, isn't he?
Lots of intravenous drug users ending up with hepatitis these days.
What's his insurance situation?
If we werent an empire and didnt have 76o some odd bases across the country and oil wasnt traded [for the most part] in dollars they would let the market crash. Humpty Dumpty [King Dollar] cannot be allowed to fall off the wall.
Yeah, well, I'm out.
An affair shouldn't be a firing offense and really should be just between spouses.
But it isn't.
ellroon, Black Lizzie | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:13 pm | #
he should have told them all to go shit in their hats, and carried on as if nothing had happened. what could they do? nothing.
I mean what the hell, we ask poor young people to die for us. All I'm suggesting is that rich people give up being rich. How is that so unthinkable?
Spitzer was hot on the trail of these wall street people. If he kicked his dog he was going down.
Since healthcare is often the largest industry in any given town/city, I've often thought that the transition to single payor would really, really hurt the people and would have to be somewhat gradual. But with a trillion in govt funds being injected for rich white boy bailout, would a quick shift to single payor have been any worse for most people?
nite, Camelot. Hope you feel better tomorrow.
Country should be globe =]
He wasn't hired to be faithful to his wife.
ronjazz | 09.20.08 - 11:10 pm | #
He did take it upon himself to crack down on prostitution and human trafficking, however. Whether or not he should've resigned, blaming his downfall on the GOP doesn't really fly.
Sally, sorry to hear of the ex SIL. Mixed feelings all around.
It shouldn't matter, but the Rovian media has made it so.
See list of wingnuts who fucked a variety of women and men and are still in office. Cross-reference with a) list of outraged liberals demanding Spitzer's immediate expulsion from human race; b) list of outraged Republicans demanding same fate for first list above.
Compare and contrast.
trhk: yup. They don't appear on the same balance sheet; the companies have no interest in this.
And consider the irrationality of a system that, at enormous cost, pays for dialysis in renal failure, but not for meticulous management of Type II diabetes, which would prevent perhaps a majority of it. Or doesn't give everybody prenatal care, but supports an uninsured preemie through two months' stay in a neonatal ICU through an unassigned pool.
would a quick shift to single payor have been any worse for most people?
No.
This has been....
What is so goddamned maddening is not what the wall street fuckers did that was illegal but the fact that what they were doing WAS legal thanks to 25 years of de-fucking-regulation.
So I hear Kevin Costner is beginning production on a movie reminiscent of Waterworld and The Postman. In a post-collapse world economy, Costner will star as The Last Blogger.
Was it too much to ask of a man that he, you know, not cheat on his wife?
Based on experience, I'd say: Yes.
So could we develop a "moral" system that isn't based on people not doing what thousands of years of experience indicate that they will -- almost as if they were genetically wired to do so -- do? Cuz I'm thinking what we've got just doesn't fucking work.
An affair shouldn't be a firing offense and really should be just between spouses.
How did hot, casual sex get to be such a bad thing.
Chimpos: The Hands of Fate
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/sl...bed5549321039b/
P O'Neill | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:12 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Is it just me or can you see the strings attached to his wrists?
He's unraveling. I picked Maddy up this morning and he was sobbing. In Starbucks. Just losing it.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.20.08 - 11:0
Wounded vanity will do that.
Sallyh, what a mess. Poor Maddy, especially.
Costner will star as The Last Blogger.
If they release that, I'm taking a hostage.
I mean what the hell, we ask poor young people to die for us. All I'm suggesting is that rich people give up being rich. How is that so unthinkable?
I love you.
Meanwhile, Thers nails it.
How did hot, casual sex get to be such a bad thing.
As Phila noted, it wasn't quite that in Spitzer's case as the other side got paid for pretending and Spitzer did state that he was going to get the prostitution rings. At the same time, the conservative cases were usually about prostitutes as well.
Good by green backs.
Hello Barter system!
Atrios porn:
He woke in a sodden heap. Someone had discarded a half-smoked cigarette at his feet. Duncan bestirred himself. He lit the half-smoke cigarette with his Dad’s lighter and drew hard.
The trees in front of the townhouses tossed and greeted the sullen day. A flock of thrushes gathered at Duncan’s feet. “It’s another day”, they called to Duncan.
he should have told them all to go shit in their hats, and carried on as if nothing had happened. what could they do? nothing.
ronjazz
Like someone said above thread: like Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, ... just go "WHAT??" and ignore it.
But the media will not give it a rest.
Can you imagine what would happen if ANYTHING that has been suggested about Palin: denial of free rape kits, censorship of books, vindictive pressure to fire ex-brother in law, alleged affair, weird flight in labor and birth of special needs child, shooting of wolves from airplanes, teenaged pregnant daughter.... ANY of that was connected to Obama?
The media would explode with 24/7 frothing rants...
Cuz I'm thinking what we've got just doesn't fucking work.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.20.08 - 11:18 pm |
Without implying that being unfaithful is comparable to murder, people keep killing each other, too. Isn't the whole point of moral systems that you don't do what you're genetically wired to do?
...universal health care results, in country after country, in a system that covers everybody, costs a bit more than half what we pay in America per capita
Problem is gonna be, seems to me, to convince the Medical/Insurance Complex that it needs to perform the same services that it does now--more, in fact, as the number of people who seek medical care will rise--for a bit more than half the remuneration. I forsee a bit of resistance to that idea...
, Thers nails it.
dave™©
Yes, he sure does.
I can't get over that WSJ piece about the markets striking back:
"We're opposed to adding provisions that will affect [or] undermine the deal substantively," said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs at the Financial Services Roundtable, whose members include the nation's largest banks, securities firms and insurers.
A deal killer for the group: a proposal that would grant bankruptcy judges new powers to lower the principal, interest rate or both on a mortgage as part of a bankruptcy proceeding.
"If there's a risk a judge could change the terms...that will increase the risk of mortgages [and] increase the cost," Mr. Talbott said. "It makes homes less affordable for everybody."
Brokerage firms are fighting limits on executive compensation for firms that participate in the package, saying that particularly in an industry under siege, the limits will hurt their ability to find and retain top brass. The industry could lose that one: proposals to limit executive pay enjoy bipartisan support and backing from the Republican and Democratic presidential candidates.
he should have told them all to go shit in their hats, and carried on as if nothing had happened. what could they do? nothing.
Pukes do it all the time. Guys on our side, not so much.
I am so over this.
Grow a pair of ovaries or get lost.
Was it too much to ask of a man that he, you know, not cheat on his wife?
Hot, spontaneous, deep, moist, damp, wet undulating flesh, eyes rolling back in your head sex, can be very difficult for the most disciplined among us to pass up.
And this in the comments, Dave: In response to eCAHNomics
I’ll show Schumer a “good package”…
Thers
find it interesting that some Republicans (see Larry Kudlow) are blaming "poor" Americans for this financial crisis. According to Republicans the poor Americans knew better than to take loans that they could not afford.
I really hope they keep up this argument. As you know the underwriters of the loans have zero responsibility.
What is so goddamned maddening is not what the wall street fuckers did that was illegal but the fact that what they were doing WAS legal thanks to 25 years of de-fucking-regulation.
And they blame poor people and
have a case of the screaming fits if you talk about helping people purchase health insurance.
I was just reading in NY Magazine about how filthy McCain's lies are and yet - how it all may work. I'm remembering how a decent guy like Gore was ripped to shreds by these people over something that was true.
It's all making me a tad grumpy.
But with a trillion in govt funds being injected for rich white boy bailout, would a quick shift to single payor have been any worse for most people?
Well, there are some places that would suffer, such as the Magic MRI Machine places that invest millions in the machine then set up cushy deals with doctors for referrals.
But: my wife just cancelled a mammogram because an hour on the phone with BCBS didn't establish whether they'd cover it. They'd make the decision based upon 'medical necessity' -- that is, a drone at a computer would decide after the fact, by putting it into the number-cruncher, regardless of what the referring doctor said.
It's hard to get from here to there for lots of reasons, not least the fact that med school grads go into specialisations if they want money and respect. GPs in the British NHS get respect and good money.
Forgiving med school debt in exchange for general practice is a start. Expanding med schools is another step.
But breaking free from the current system -- where you simply can't trust what a fucking medical professional tells you -- is hard.
TMI: of course there'd be massive resistance from those making out like bandits under the current regime. It's take strong political leadershop indeed to do it.
But is universal health care desirable, ehlpful,even possible? Eminently. real world examples attest to it, and to a multiplicity of possible solutiong.
sallyh - I assume you didn't call
http://i56.photobucket.com/album...-bush-
photo.jpg
Dont need no stinking strings.
The Medical Industry
Yep, it was a bitter fight with the medical industry here in Canada, in the 30's. Would be 10x as tough for the US right now.
Cuz I'm thinking what we've got just doesn't fucking work.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.20.08 - 11:18 pm |
Without implying that being unfaithful is comparable to murder, people keep killing each other, too. Isn't the whole point of moral systems that you don't do what you're genetically wired to do?
IMHO, the present system is more like a system that penalizes folks for eating or breathing that like one that penalizes them for doing murder. Assuming that a basic human need is evil is just fucked up. People don't need to murder.
I’ll show Schumer a “good package”…
Thers
NO FLIRTING!!!
ProfWombat | 09.20.08 - 11:17 pm
A friend of mine has just been diagnosed with stage 2-3 lung cancer.
He would be treatable with good possible outcome if it weren't for the mesothelioma. He's 58. His father managed an asbestos plant when he was a small child. He'd come home, pick him up and play with him and they never knew that all the while
my friend was acquiring the threads of his ultimate end. I don't understand why it is that he's not a candidate for a lung transplant.
He's not planning to undergo treatment. He just wants to travel in the time he has left.
surprise: dems/reps want taxpayer bailout.
Isn't the whole point of moral systems that you don't do what you're genetically wired to do?
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed
And our moral system depends on God, who wired us up in the first place...
surprise: dems/reps want taxpayer bailout.
gary in fl | 09.20.08 - 11:25 pm | #
surprise: Gary wrong again.
Define dems.
Grow a pair of ovaries or get lost.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.20.08 - 11:22 pm | #
How is it "growing ovaries" to be unrepentant for supporting a sexually exploitative racket that you've made a career of attacking as exploitative?
I don't see it.
And our moral system depends on God, who wired us up in the first place...
The Medical Industry
Didn't do a very good job, did he?
my wife just cancelled a mammogram
Please. Spend the couple hundred dollars the mammogram costs. What else are you going to do w the money that's worth more than her life?
God was a pretty shitty code designer.
The industry could lose that one: proposals to limit executive pay enjoy bipartisan support and backing from the Republican and Democratic presidential candidates.
Back in the day, when the web was young, I converted corporate annual reports to HTML, and noted that the committees that decide executive pay are made up of... other corporate executives.
Try that at your workplace.
Gots to get control of my nyms...
Inspired by the fair and enviable Camelot, I'm changing my name once again, to be known from this day forth as Mr Fahrenheit.
I'm traveling at the speed of light, and want to make a supersonic man out of you.
Don't stop me now.
pseud: it's even worse than that; the docs often own the MRI machines they refer to.
And MRI machines are insanely good investments. An actual case I know involves a doc's $15,000 up front investment in one. He got around $50,000 yearly return on investment for around ten years, then sold out, with the other partners, to a management company, netting over $800,000 for his share.
You may know that dedicated, directed-beam radiation therapy units, aimed at prostate cancer treatment, are marketed largely to urologists, the very docs charged with deciding between surgery, radiation therapy, hormonal therapy and simple observation when treating prostate cancer. No little moral hazard there.
surprise: dems/reps want taxpayer bailout. - gary in fl
no gary, what we want are answers- real answers about Bailout #7 ...
"Inspired by the fair and enviable Camelot, I'm changing my name once again, to be known from this day forth as Mr Fahrenheit."
what will buffy and jody say?
At times like this I am reminded of the immortal words of Lily Tomlin:
No matter how cynical you get, you can't keep up.
He'd come home, pick him up and play with him and they never knew that all the while
my friend was acquiring the threads of his ultimate end. I
Sweet Mother, how fucked up is that? A father comes home and picks up his kid and that kills him.
American industry.
Doan want.
Gots to get control of my nyms...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
I'M TELLING NTODD!!!
Funny how Gary in fl never has a solution.
Define dems.
smalfish
phylum cnidaria
[the elected ones]
Can we all just blame 9/11 for this crisis and get over it.
Rudy G.
Please. Spend the couple hundred dollars the mammogram costs. What else are you going to do w the money that's worth more than her life?
I understand exactly where you're coming from, Hecate, but this isn't a cancer-risk mammogram. Believe me, if it were, and I didn't have the money, I'd be selling things to pay for it.
People don't need to murder.
I'm not so sure. 30% of the population can't seem to go very long without inciting a war, or lynching someone.
But I'm confident stem cell research may cure this one day.
And our moral system depends on God, who wired us up in the first place...
The Medical Industry
Didn't do a very good job, did he?
Generally its up to individuals to embrace the principles God has laid before you. But yeah, God did a very good job.
what will buffy and jody say?
Fuck those little brats.
trhk: mesothelioma is a cancer of the chest lining, and not the lung itself. It's almost never curable. Lung transplant would fail rapidly.
A sad story...
American industry.
According to Mr Suck The Air Out Of The Room, the days of corporations are numbered.
Is it ok if I cheer here?
How is it "growing ovaries" to be unrepentant for supporting a sexually exploitative racket that you've made a career of attacking as exploitative?
I don't see it.
I'm not sure that I understand your point. I admit that I may be too tired or too old.
i guess i'll watch this SNL opening skit Franken supposedly penned.
Assuming that a basic human need is evil is just fucked up. People don't need to murder.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.20.08 - 11:25 pm | #
Depends what you're calling a basic human need. Speaking as someone who's been massively unfaithful in his day, I certainly don't feel it was something I had to do, or had any real excuse for doing.
Anyway, I've never understood how one consistent human behavior gets called "natural," and another doesn't. Obviously, there's a basic human need for monogamy, too, or people all over the world wouldn't work so hard at it.
I admit that I may be too tired or too old.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
You are tired, Ms. Hec.
You ain't never gonna be too old.
don't mention #7!!
Generally its up to individuals to embrace the principles God has laid before you. But yeah, God did a very good job.
Le Jackel | 09.20.08 - 11:31 pm | #
What god? Did a piss-poor hob. Piss-poor. Lousy father, lousy, lazy, murderous asshole. what principles?
ps: around one in seven to one in nine women will get breast cancer in their lifetimes. So everybody should get screening mammography. Everybody's at risk.
Perhaps someday there will be more accurate and specific measures of risk. Today, right now, get the mammo...
Sweet Mother, how fucked up is that? A father comes home and picks up his kid and that kills him.
Life is too fucking cruel sometimes. And the "God's will" people may mean well, but they make it worse.
Night, all. See you in the AM, assuming the usual.
Hey, I leave, check out some other blogs, stop back here right before I go to bed and I find this:
"Inspired by the fair and enviable Camelot, I'm changing my name once again, to be known from this day forth as Mr Fahrenheit."
I am/will be ms fahrenheit. Unless you want to give me half of what you have and alimony, watch it, or I'll make a supersonic man out of you.......
Yep, it was a bitter fight with the medical industry here in Canada, in the 30's.
Kiefer's Sutherland's grandad in Canada. Nye Bevan in the UK, stuffing the consultants' mouths with gold to get them to sign up.
I don't mind doing that. Whatever the people with medical degrees and professional certificates want, pay it. Up front. Divide and conquer. Just get the profit motive out of the business of doing medicine.
And that is a very sad thing in itself.
Echidne | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:11 pm
Not really.
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trhk: mesothelioma is a cancer of the chest lining, and not the lung itself. It's almost never curable. Lung transplant would fail rapidly.
A sad story...
ProfWombat | 09.20.08 - 11:31 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I understand. But how does the asbestos lodge in the chest lining? I thought that was a closed system?
And our moral system depends on God, who wired us up in the first place...
The Medical Industry
Didn't do a very good job, did he?
I've never understood why He designed a toxic waste line through a recreation area...
pseud
email me and I'll find a place that will pay for the mammogram or do it at reduced cost.
I have a dear friend dying tonight because she "couldn't afford" mammograms.
hecate demetersdatter at hot mail dot com
And fuck the insurance companies to the lower reaches of hell.
Yep, that guy and yes he is piss-poor.
But I'm confident stem cell research may cure this one day. -Moose-toque
stem cell research is Snowflakicide ...
I am/will be ms fahrenheit. Unless you want to give me half of what you have and alimony, watch it, or I'll make a supersonic man out of you.......
Don't tease me...
I'll make a supersonic man out of you.......
Don't stop me now.
"But how does the asbestos lodge in the chest lining? I thought that was a closed system?"
it's the shape of the asbestos fibers. they tend to stick in the lung wall. they also fracture in such a way that they're always little spears with barbs. at best they break off leaving the point in the lung
there are other ethical systems than ones based on belief in a Deity.
Kiefer's Sutherland's grandad in Canada.
pseudonymous in nc
CBC ran this goofy "vote for the Greatest Canadian" contest a few years back. Guess who won.
http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/
Good night for real.
Sweet dreams.
Hecate......luv ya.
"Al Franken helps craft McCain 'SNL' skit for tonight"
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blog...n-snl-
skit.html
"Guess who won."
bob mckenzie? or his brother, doug?
You're very kind, Hecate, but we're okay. Honestly.
(I'll introduce you to my wife when we come up to chase Bush out of town in January.)
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
so, you are saying that they work their way through the lung and into the chest cavity where they remain to wreak havoc?
I'm developing a plan to pay for the proposed bailout.
Step one is to harvest the organs of all the heads of the investment banks, hedge funds, and bond rating agencies for transplanting purposes.
I'm still working on the rest.
So the bankers want our money and they're trying to make demands? Seriously?
Bwahahahahaha! Someone (CONGRESS!) needs to tell these clowns that beggars can't be choosers.
"there are other ethical systems than ones based on belief in a Deity."
I believe george carlin prayed to joe peschi
All ethical systems are ones based not on belief in a Deity.
Moral Philosophy 101
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we're okay. Honestly.
If you're wife isn't getting the mammogram, then you're NOT "okay".
there are other ethical systems than ones based on belief in a Deity.
therealhellkitty | 09.20.08 - 11:37 pm |
Empathy.
Everything else good comes from it.
The corollary is also true.
Is this Disaster Capitalism, or what?
I expect to see Naomi Klein booked on every talk show.
Watch it, Uncle Blodge.
I'm still pissed about you selling Alaska. 
find it interesting that some Republicans (see Larry Kudlow) are blaming "poor" Americans for this financial crisis. According to Republicans the poor Americans knew better than to take loans that they could not afford.
More Zombie Lies♥. Told a guy I work for a while back, when that one first appeared, "Dude, the minorities in this country don't, and never will, have access to the kind of money it takes to cause a fustercluck of these dimensions". He reluctantly agreed. Not bad for a Conservative. Then again, this is the one that voted for Jimmy Carter...
I thought Red Green was the "greatest Canadian"...
You're very kind, Hecate, but we're okay. Honestly.
(I'll introduce you to my wife when we come up to chase Bush out of town in January.)
Would love to get together w you. (January is our worst month after August. No idea what the founding fathers were thinking, but if it's the month Bush leaves town, I'll dance naked in the snow every day for the rest of my life.)
Ms Camelot, if you're serious I'll go back to being Mr French, even if that means I have to grovel before those smelly little children again.
I don't even want to think about that itchy beard.
"you are saying that they work their way through the lung and into the chest cavity where they remain to wreak havoc?"
just that the body cannot pass them out.
I only know what they told me when they were teaching me to remove the stuff
Nick: former SIL is 38. Kid depends upon your definition.
Le Jackel: I'm part of the night crew. I don't think I'm terribly prickly. (Being in Los Angeles, I'm sort of on the graveyard shift by default)
"Guess who won."
Don Cherry?
Neil Peart?
"I'm still pissed about you selling Alaska"
the check covering your share is in the mail.
What's wrong with FDL lately? The top post is full of bad words. I can't read that place anymore if they want to use that kind of language.
There is no question that if we don't give the Invisible Hand of Hank Paulson every unreviewable power imaginable, Muslim terrorists will feel emboldened to destroy our way of life in a way that will make 9/11 seem like a Sunday School picnic.
Indeed, if we don't give the Invisible Hand of Hank Paulson this power, America might see a Black Muslim raising taxes on our wealthiest citizens AS SOON AS EARLY 2009!
And our moral system depends on God, who wired us up in the first place...
The Medical Industry
Naw, we wanted free will and this is what we get. Like a free market. We havent figured out how to control our emotions, like hate, or our greed. Its up to us to change and bring about a new paradigm.
For pseudonymous in nc (which I assume is "North Carolina):
Are mammograms covered by insurance?
North Carolina law requires health insurance to cover screening mammograms, including one baseline exam for women ages 35-39, a mammogram every other year for women ages 40-49, and an annual mammogram for women age 50 and over. Coverage may include more frequent exams for women at high risk. Medicare now covers mammograms every year.
They also list free or reduced-cost mammogram services in NC, in case the insurance company wants to keep breaking the law.
what? the night shift is prickly?
Uncle Blodge, how much did we get for Alaska by the way?
ps: don't know the precise mechanism...
Hecate: so sorry you have such a dreadful example.
As to God, well, folk far more intelligent than I have been wrestling with that one for thousands of years. Me, I have trouble with tsunamis, childhood embryonal-cell carcinoma, earthquakes and bacterial and viral evolution, among other things, when somebody attempts to place such events as these in a Universe designed and built by an omniscient, omnipotent entity who loves us. I think we're all we've got, that life is contingent far more than planned, that we must do our very best regardless, not because God wills it but because that's what makes life worth living. We must love one another or die. A ringing affirmation of life and life's purpose, as well as a despairing evocation of the consequences if we don't...
What's wrong with FDL lately? The top post is full of bad words. I can't read that place anymore if they want to use that kind of language.
Thers
Somebody said this was Swear Like A Sailor Day...
Probably shouldn't unload a state that's full of oil.
i dunno Thers but I miss you and Molly
kissy
Le Jackel: I'm part of the night crew. I don't think I'm terribly prickly. (Being in Los Angeles, I'm sort of on the graveyard shift by default)
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.20.08 - 11:41 pm | #
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Aha, but you are weird, Dude.
Good night, bats. Blessings.
What's wrong with FDL lately? The top post is full of bad words. I can't read that place anymore if they want to use that kind of language.
Thers | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:42 pm | #
"Exterminate all the brutes!"
(Notice that I didn't say "fucking brutes.")
You're very kind, Hecate, but we're okay. Honestly. -pseudonymous in nc
you may try the local 'Planned Parenthood' many many varied tentacles - honestly
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Indeed, if we don't give the Invisible Hand of Hank Paulson this power -stunney
Paulson is not an elected official and should not be given this power. The problem isnt 'fixed' by any means.
No idea what the founding fathers were thinking
March 4.
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Wow, Profwombat. Some serious wisdom there.
A ringing affirmation of life and life's purpose, as well as a despairing evocation of the consequences if we don't...
ProfWombat | 09.20.08 - 11:44 pm | #
Good enough, Dude.
What's wrong with FDL lately? The top post is full of bad words. I can't read that place anymore if they want to use that kind of language.
No shit. I nearly burned my fucking eyballs out reading that piss ass moan. Who the hell writes like that goddamned moron?
"Uncle Blodge, how much did we get for Alaska by the way?"
not sure.
we were paid in beaver pelts and moose meat
Le Jackel: I'm part of the night crew. I don't think I'm terribly prickly. (Being in Los Angeles, I'm sort of on the graveyard shift by default)
I think it's possible that Le Jackel may not be entirely sincere.
Hello Sallyh, howz things?
Aha, but you are weird, Dude.
I'm not weird. I'm a biostatistician.
Oh wait...
sallyh is not weird
nor is she a dude
i dunno Thers but I miss you and Molly
Sorry! Truman Capote and his fucked up relatives are fucking up my life. Be free of them soon, tho.
we were paid in beaver pelts and moose meat - Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
yeah, that's fine and well, but it's all the lipstick that screws up the tatse ...
Remember when Mike Gravel did that video of himself stadning and saying nothing for two minutes? Do you ever wonder who gave that gullible man that terrible idea, which was like something out of a comedy? Seems like the kind of an idea a Republican would give him.
Isn't that knd of odd how Zell Miller turned on us?
Ever wonder who gave Hillary that terrible idea of claiming that she decided to run through sniper fire with her daughter, and that her subordinates approved this? It's a really strange thing for a sophisticated, grown-up person like Hillary, who has no record of making any bizarre, weird claims, to claim. It's the type of thing you'd expect her to say only if she was under some kind of duress.
I wonder who gave Barack that terrible idea of making that "lipstick on a pig" remark, which makes him sound like he's being nasty to a woman in a sexist way, when Republicans probably particularly picked Sarah Palin in the hopes that her gender could help their ticket. So odd.
I think it's possible that Le Jackel may not be entirely sincere.
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed. | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:47 pm | #
Well, hell I think I'm being sincere.
Sallyh! How's things out west? 
I must say, I'm doubly attracted to Naomi Klein after just now seeing her for the first time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=J...feature=related
I stand behind that remark. Generally, day Atriots are nicer, more courteous than night Atriots.
I wonder why all the talking heads, writers and executives of the press keep doing things like reporting news in a Republican-biased way, repeating and covering up Republican lies, when all those same people are hardly 100-IQ mental midgets, or unsophisticated people who are unable of informing themselves-- and then all the coverage gets a little more even handed during the election, when more people (and less politicized people) are paying attention to the political news (and certainly the conservatives wouldn't like them to think they are watching a bunch of pro-conservative propaganda). It couldn't just be a Bermuda Triangle-like coincidence, could it?
Let's see if my new sig fits...
One of the things I'm always puzzled by is people questioning the existence of God on the basis of nature's perceived defects without specifying their own superior design other than to say the bad things wouldn't happen.
I don't even know how to make a quark, so I certainly don't know how to make a better universe.
But maybe that's just me, and the people who know how to make a better universe are just too modest to tell the rest of us the secret.
And it does!
Huzzah!
Deacon, I believe you are more westerly than I am
Sally: kinda forgot how much older SIL was than Mlle... it always seems their (his) problems are those of younger people... but then, my experience with addiction is limited to functional drunks...
I hate those Day Atriot fuckers!
"I stand behind that remark. Generally, day Atriots are nicer, more courteous than night Atriots."
I disagree. I've had way more conflicts on the day shift.
but hey your mileage may vary
But maybe that's just me, and the people who know how to make a better universe are just too modest to tell the rest of us the secret.
I'll tell ya , but it's gonna cost ya.
Thers, you prick.
I see you posted that Michael Palin video the day after I posted it.
Thanks for the cred...
Day Atriot fuckers!
Thers
er..
There's a day shift?
there are other ethical systems than ones based on belief in a Deity.
therealhellkitty | 09.20.08 - 11:37 pm | #
Thank God.
$700B? It's our due!
my experience with addiction is limited to functional drunks...
So you only have limited insight into GWB?
I read a story in The New Yorker About the Dirty Tricks guy who helped bring Spitzer down with the call girl revelation.
http://www.newyorker.com/
reporti...2fa_fact_toobin
Roger Stone
He has a long history of GOP dirty tricks back to the Nixon era.
The part that I took away from the story is that the Wall Street people were PISSED and so they put out feelers to get dirt on Spitzer. Of course they would use whatever they got. They went for money but they found juicy juicy sex. Like the Clinton deal.
Like Ken Starr they would look anywhere to get back at Spitzer.
I think we should draft him to do some oversight on this and then just to keep the rest of the puritans happy we would draft his wife to keep an eye on Spitzer!
Deacon, I believe you are more westerly than I am
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
You're in Europe?
Chris, what's made it hard with the ex SIL is that he's expressed suicidal ideation on several occasions in the past week to Mlle.
She got hooked into going to the MD with him yesterday, and he damn near kidnapped her. Drove her for two hours before dumping her miles from where she lived. Fortunately, she knows the bus system well, and was able to make her way home, but she was very shaken up.
"I stand behind that remark. Generally, day Atriots are nicer, more courteous than night Atriots."
I disagree. I've had way more conflicts on the day shift.
But ... what about those of us who peek in both times?
And blogwhore wildly?
And say Fuck Bush a lot?
/wrings hands...
Remember when the Republicans did their staged "working class riot" in 2000. Since they had enough brains (and the right character) to try something like that, I wonder if it is logical to conclude that they try things like that other times and in other contexts. No, no-- that is just too far fetched. Far more realistic to assume that the only time they were caught-- or chose to reveal what they did-- besides Zell Miller, it was coincidentally the only time they have ever chosen to do this. Uh-huh.
I wonder who gave Barack that terrible idea of making that "lipstick on a pig" remark, which makes him sound like he's being nasty to a woman in a sexist way,..
Only to insane people. McCain admitted he didn't think Obama was calling hr a pig, and after all that faux outrage.
But it is an insane world. Democrats always have to remember that, and Republicans aren't judged by the same standards. It's not even close.
"There's a day shift?"
And they get free morning coffee and donuts.
"One of the things I'm always puzzled by is people questioning the existence of God on the basis of nature's perceived defects without specifying their own superior design other than to say the bad things wouldn't happen."
this probably comes from people trying to prove the existence of god by claiming he exists by pointing out the wonders of his creation.
How much does SNL suck?
Now THIS would be a funny skit:
A newsroom full of bikini clad "reporters" doing a story on how awful the anti-Sarah Palin sexism is in the media.
I've got more...
So you only have limited insight into GWB?
The operative term was functional. GWB isn't.
Thers, you prick.
I see you posted that Michael Palin video the day after I posted it.
Thanks for the cred...
Wasn't me who posted it, dumbass. That was Avedon. Anyway I'd seen it a week earlier at John Cole's.
But maybe that's just me, and the people who know how to make a better universe are just too modest to tell the rest of us the secret.
I'd tell you.
But not until after you elect me.
The conspiracy to keep Joe Conason from being on TV every now and then to whack shit out of 'conservatives' has succeeded.
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Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.20.08 - 11:47 pm | #
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is the wonderful exception that proves the rule and you too Uncky.
Sorry! Truman Capote and his fucked up relatives are fucking up my life. Be free of them soon, tho. -Thers
Dude, he did the same to Johnny Carson – just don’t let him anywhere near the liquor cabinet, medicine jar, or your velvet Fedora collection ...
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EkCenTrik, yes, but here on the night shift, we have carrot cake.
And ProfWombat could probably be easily persuaded to bring us warm cider doughnuts.
"I stand behind that remark. Generally, day Atriots are nicer, more courteous than night Atriots."
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That's a good one!
ProfWombat - Well said back at 11:44. Very well said.
Day Atriot fuckers!
Thers
er..
Ali
The morning ones are the worst. Don;t trust 'em.
I hate those Day Atriot fuckers!
Thers | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:53 pm | #
I hate the crepuscular ones. Always prattling on about the "liminal," and their ability to see "shades of grey." Fucking posers.
A newsroom full of bikini clad "reporters" doing a story on how awful the anti-Sarah Palin sexism is in the media.
Elias
I'd watch it.
But maybe that's just me, and the people who know how to make a better universe are just too modest to tell the rest of us the secret.
stunney
There doesnt exist the words in our language[s] to describe it.
And they get free morning coffee and donuts.
Bastards!
BTW, despite my hopeful expectations, SNL is sucking like a brand new hoover.
Wasn't me who posted it, dumbass. That was Avedon. Anyway I'd seen it a week earlier at John Cole's.
Thers
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Yeah?
Well tell Avedon he's a prick too...
Strangely enough, Naomi Klein's Disaster Capitalism was panned on, of all places, Left Business Observer (Doug Henwood's publication for the left-wing cognoscenti watchers of Wall Street).
I'd watch it.
You seriously need a life
Thers: very limited insight into GWB. For one thing, ain't too many "legacy" MBAs around here... just guys who run earthmoving equipment all day on relatively equal measures of diesel fuel and beer.
You know, if a bunch of ultra-Republicans were coordinated, it wouldn't be too hard for them to "astroturf" a lot of things and pretend to be a lot more genuine, un-organized public opinion (especially if they can influence the press) on talk-show call-ins, "Letters to the Editor" sections, blog comments sections, e-mails to all sorts of editorialists, consultnts, and experts, and you name it. They could even put words in the mouths of "liberals," doing all our arguments correct down to a T, except for one or two details that they think make our arguments look really vulnerable, or otherwise make our ideology look really unatractive. It's surely not rocket-science and it's the type of action that would fit the mendacious, anti-social personalities we know the Republicans to have.
And say Fuck Bush a lot?
/wrings hands...
ellroon, Black Lizzie | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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See what I'm saying. But anyhow, fuck Bush.
I stand behind that remark. Generally, day Atriots are nicer, more courteous than night Atriots.
Le Jackel
You better take that back you fucking frog, or I crush you like bug.
How dare anyone question my courteousness? Fuck off.
Well tell Avedon he's a prick too...
Why not call the host a prick and hit the hat trick?
Well tell Avedon he's a prick too...
Strike two.
"EkCenTrik, yes, but here on the night shift, we have carrot cake.
And ProfWombat could probably be easily persuaded to bring us warm cider doughnuts."
We won't tell the day shift about that little perk. Heck, they are getting mega grocery store donuts anyway. Let them ahem, enjoy it.
daveTM: we're under those age thresholds here.
But really, we're on top of this. And I ain't saying more here on the subject, other than BCBS are the moral equivalent of dogshit.
"Strangely enough, Naomi Klein's Disaster Capitalism was panned on, of all places, Left Business Observer "
I liked it
I will probably catch flack from some of my fellow Atriwomen, but Matthew McConaughey: NOT HOT.
In fact, pretty disgusting.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.20.08 - 11:55 pm
It seems to me that if he took her somewhere she didn't want to be and it was against her will then it was kidnapping. Has she reported the incident to the police? I hate to say it but this sounds like the type of behavior that could escalate. Especially if he is despondent over his health.
I hate the crepuscular ones. Always prattling on about the "liminal," and their ability to see "shades of grey." Fucking posers.
Deleuze: Hot. Guattari: Not.
Why not call the host a prick and hit the hat trick?
smalfish
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I hate hockey...
stunney, if I had a clue how to make the universe a better place, i'd be doing it.
Regrettably, I'm pretty limited in that regard.
Strike two.
Thers | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:00 am | #
You can't talk to Elias like that. His years of principled service to the progressive cause put him beyond reproach.
I hate the crepuscular ones. Always prattling on about the "liminal," and their ability to see "shades of grey." Fucking posers.
Deleuze: Hot. Guattari: Not.
Thers
Hey! Speak American! What'rya? Ferrin?
Roger Stone
. He has a long history of GOP dirty tricks back to the Nixon era.
Jesus..what a scumbag. He's insane in a lot of ways - he had a picture of Richard Nixon tattooed on his back.
He's the one who had the nasty campaign against Hillary Clinton with the acronym of ""C.U.N.T.".
(which got no negative attention of course). He's now screeching that Obama is "disrespectful" to women.
You just can't make this shit up.
It doesn't seem to matter much day or night: Elias is reliably an asshole.
I will probably catch flack from some of my fellow Atriwomen, but Matthew McConaughey: NOT HOT.
The star of Woman's Entertainment?
Are you high?
See, arent' I much nicer in the evening?
How dare anyone question my courteousness? Fuck off.
Richard
It's not courteousness, it's courtesy, asswipe.
The morning ones are the worst. Don;t trust 'em.
Thers | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 11:57 pm | #
Especially that Moe fucking guy.
Kitty, I have informed him that she will no longer be present at visitation exchanges and he will have to work with me. I said nothing about the incident, but I made it abundantly clear that she will not be near him.
You can't talk to Elias like that. His years of principled service to the progressive cause put him beyond reproach.
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's all a ploy to bring you out of hiding...
I wonder why the press keeps letting Rudy Giuliani and Bush trade off the heroism of other people on 9/11, when the easy-to-discover and easy-to-understand truth is that both Bush's and Giuliani's actions on- and related-to 9/11 were far less than heroic and certainly didn't help anything. I really, really wonder.
It doesn't seem to matter much day or night: Elias is reliably an asshole.
The tragedy of mad cow disease.
Matthew McConaughey: NOT HOT.
In fact, pretty disgusting.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I concur.
night shift rules!!
How dare anyone question my courteousness? Fuck off.
Richard
It's not courteousness, it's courtesy, asswipe.
Ali
/hits Ali with handbag
Curtsey when you say that with all courteousnessity!
I really, really wonder.
I mean, many, many years have passed- you'd think people would explain it to them.
Smalfish, sadly, no.
He is not talented, nor is he good looking. Monsieur is watching Fool's Gold and it is annoying the shit out of me. Time to plug the Dixie Chicks back into my ear canals.
BTW, Maddy loves the Dixie Chicks
It's not courteousness, it's courtesy, asswipe.
You're a poopyhead. Nwah!
sallyh -
glad to see you're on top of things
with luck we'll look back on this and laugh
Caddo: thank you
/hits Ali with handbag
Oooooo Cat fight!
/trips ellroon.
that'll teach you to mess with the courteous night shifters.
The "conservative movement" as we know it has basically always been just a very small handful of half-wits who argue very loudly. The janet jackson wardrobe malfunction, for example. A more recent example is Jonah Goldberg's "fuck the democrats for making fun of old man McCains POW injuries," which was proven to be utter bullshit only moments after we first heard it.
I've Got That Feeling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=R...feature=related
-
/trips ellroon.
that'll teach you to mess with the courteous night shifters.
Ali
/punches Ali with pudding cup
I'll show you courteous!
You can't talk to Elias like that. His years of principled service to the progressive cause put him beyond reproach.
At his funeral he will have richly earned his 21-kazoo salute.
As a species, by definition, we have to be smarter, on a statistical basis, than to vote republican, as a majority. Otherwise we would have died out 100,000 years ago. Cavemen eventually stopped running at saber tooth tigers. This election is existential.
Uncle B, I feel bad for the fact that not only is he very ill, but he is emotionally unraveling.
My colleagues want to start a dead pool on him. I vetoed it.
Deleuze: Hot. Guattari: Not.
Thers | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:01 am | #
If I said you had a beautiful body without organs, would you hold it against me?
ronjazz, the Greg Ostertag of Atrios provocation trolls.
Big, stupid, dork...
"My colleagues want to start a dead pool on him. I vetoed it."
kind of tacky
like betting on when my ex finally folds her tent
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.21.08 - 12:03 am |
I hope that works well. Here in TX there are nonprofits that facilitate visitation exchange. The parents don't ever need to be in the same location and it is very secure.
Jonah Goldberg was bred to be an idiot. So he may have an excuse, sort of..
That was pathetic, though. Even for him.
FOOD FIGHT!!!
Matthew McConaughey's first time on film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=X...feature=related
FOOD FIGHT!!!
Ali
Yeah! Let's go get the Day Atriots' doughnuts!!
/stampedes from room...
At his funeral he will have richly earned his 21-kazoo salute.
Thers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm sorry, you were saying there was a difference between you and Avedon and NTodd and...
At his funeral he will have richly earned his 21-kazoo salute.
May he obtain it sooner, rather than later.
The conspiracy to keep Joe Conason from being on TV every now and then to whack shit out of 'conservatives' has succeeded.
-
QuentinCompson, Negatory
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As the kids used to say in the 1990's
Word.
(Which I never fraking understood. What is that short for? "I agree with your words"? Those kids didn't get off my lawn in 1990 and they aren't now!)
FOOD FIGHT!!!
Ali
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've got the whipped cream (soy, of course.)
At his funeral he will have richly earned his 21-kazoo salute.
Thers | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:06 am | #
To say nothing of the eulogy by the guy who played bass in Missing Foundation.
Whether the universe was created or not, it does strike me as pretty amazing, just looking at it scientifically.
Then again, we have nothing with which to compare it.
As for making a better universe, we have some influence, but mostly over the region of it containing our selves.
Matthew McConaughey's first time on film.
[retch]
night shift rules!!
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Totally! if by rules you mean 'sucks'? where's the daytime boredom, the frustration, and the anx of why can't I stay up all night and just fuck off?
.
As a species, by definition, we have to be smarter, on a statistical basis, than to vote republican, as a majority. Otherwise we would have died out 100,000 years ago. Cavemen eventually stopped running at saber tooth tigers. This election is existential.
Comrad A. Morphous | 09.21.08 - 12:06 am |
What you are describing is the evolutionary dead branch.
Life is too fucking cruel sometimes. And the "God's will" people may mean well, but they make it worse.
T4TN
Oh, jeez. The quotes that are coming from out of the depths of the Hurricane Ike devastation (up here in the Eastex, we lost some trees and a lot of light poles, but it could have been a lot worse. Power came back on today) things like; "Our house was spared, God blessed us!" Fer crapsake, dude, "God" tore up the whole freakin' subdivision, and killed 3 people, WTF is wrong with you?! If your idea of being blessed is to not be gored by a runaway bull, or flattened by a falling ten ton weight, then I hardly think you could set the bar any lower...
May he obtain it sooner, rather than later.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
~~~~~~~~~~~`
Another one I bring out of the woodwork. Just don't light a match around her...
Hecate, how was your evening? Thank you for turning the wheel.
Uncle B, much as I dislike him and the havoc he's wreaked on my family, I still wouldn't wish liver failure on anyone.
Okay, I might make an exception for Chimpy.
She's 100 proof!!!
"
At his funeral he will have richly earned his 21-kazoo salute."
Are you sure those are kazoos?
Matt Damon does Matthew McConaughey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...uYD2cwMbpw&
NR=1
"if by rules you mean 'sucks'? where's the daytime boredom, the frustration, and the anx of why can't I stay up all night and just fuck off?"
elsewhere.
actually I'm only up because of my goddam hip. when the pills kick in I'm out.
I hardly think you could set the bar any lower...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:10 am | #
It's a socially acceptable way of saying, "Those other people deserved what they got."
She's 100 proof!!!
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:11 am | #
What's your excuse?
So, I've been off doing real life things, and I come back to find out that the Bush Bailout Proposal is to hand Wall Street three quarters of a trillion dollars, no strings attached. Quelle surprise.
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:10 am
Where in Eastex are you?
"Our house was spared, God blessed us!" Fer crapsake, dude, "God" tore up the whole freakin' subdivision, and killed 3 people,
god spared me and mine, so fuck you - you sinner.
"I still wouldn't wish liver failure on anyone."
you're good people.
TV, business as usual.
Well, you'll all be glad to know that I'm sitting here suffering with the worst flu-like symptoms since last winter...
... someone just googled "homo sex in islamabad and rawalpindi" and got my blog...
I don't know who rawalpindi IS...
Wasn't "Dazed and Confused" also the first for Ben Affleck and Milla Jovavich?
"Our house was spared, God blessed us!" Fer crapsake, dude, "God" tore up the whole freakin' subdivision, and killed 3 people,"
So yer saying God is not perfect and he missed one.
meanwhile out here in flyover land:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...list_child_porn
That the universe is amazing does not logically bear on the question of whether it, or its subset that is our life within it, is contingent.
Another one I bring out of the woodwork. Just don't light a match around her...
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:10 am | #
Yeah, I doubt I ever would've noticed Hecate over the last 4-5 years if you hadn't been trolling here for roughly one.
"Well, you'll all be glad to know that I'm sitting here suffering with the worst flu-like symptoms since last winter..."
A lot of Zombie films start out with exactly the same type of symptoms.
Uncle B, no better than anyone else.
I mean, he lost his wife (whom he claimed to love, but I think love had nothing to do with it, and he's despondent over that), his health is failing, he's addicted to opiates, and he probably won't see his daughter grow up.
I won't buy his bullshit, but let's face it, he's not a in good position.
"god spared me and mine, so fuck you - you sinner."
ah the god dance - he's testing you if you get fucked over and saved you if you don't.
I kind of wish people would stop trying to be logical when they talk about god - it always ends up sounding insane
Night Shift By: Quarterflash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...h?
v=2SwctGUl1dc
1Watt, the trifecta: you got yer tax evasion, yer polygamy AND the child porn - all in a Christian Ministries complex.
Ellroon, a city in Pakistan.
I hardly think you could set the bar any lower...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:10 am | #
It's a socially acceptable way of saying, "Those other people deserved what they got."
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.
I think it's more trying to deal with survivers' guilt. How on earth do you explain that you lived while others died? It can shred your mind if you let it.
Hence, God was involved somehow.
At his funeral he will have richly earned his 21-kazoo salute.
Thers |
Only if they play Louie Louie...
"rawalpindi"
city in pakistan
I kind of wish people would stop trying to be logical when they talk about god - it always ends up sounding insane
As is deserving has anything to do with what you get.
someone just googled "homo sex in islamabad and rawalpindi" and got my blog...
(makes mental note to read ellroon's blog more often)
Sometimes I think people say things like "God saved my house" just 'cause they think it sounds a little more humble than "I lucked out"
Washington, Lincoln, etc, used to refer to "Providence"... but these days people would just think, "whatthehell does Rhode Island have to do with whether my roof blew away, or how the Cubs game came out?"
nick, that's how I'd have seen it.
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:13 am
Bless your heart.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20080...list_child_porn
1Watt, Hermit
Not another one!
Yeah, I doubt I ever would've noticed Hecate over the last 4-5 years if you hadn't been trolling here for roughly one.
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lucky for you the archives have been conveniently purged. I was mixin it up with Caufield and Tena and Soccer Mom back in 02-03 when you were still trying to discern the differences between Nestle's Quik and Ovaltine, Newschool...
Hi ThinlyVeiled! Did your real world stuff go well?
I was in the real world book store today. Looking at all these very serious books about why the right wing screwed up and how terrible they are and I just wanted to scream. I know that they are important but I wish some money and energy could be directed toward dismantling the RW noise machine.
First off would be figuring out a way to wipe that smug grin off Bill Kristol's face.
1Watt, the trifecta: you got yer tax evasion, yer polygamy AND the child porn - all in a Christian Ministries complex.
Ali
yeah and he's not the first one this year.
Seems like saying it was luck is more humble than saying "god saved my house and destroyed all the other ones". But I've never been there.
Ellroon, a city in Pakistan.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
if you haven't seen them already, take a look at the pictures of Rollover Pass and Bolivar Peninsula...Crystal Beach and High Island. All of them wiped clean off the map. If that had happened on Newport Beach CA or the Hamptons you can imagine how fast the pledge to rebuild bigger and better would be.
But not in TX...no, the good folk on Galveston get labeled "rednecks" and they get to go it alone. I have met a lot of refugees in the last week and have housed several of my neighbor's relatives (strangers) up from Beaumont and Port Arthur. They are just as deserving of help as anyone but I doubt they will see much assistance.
Louie, Louie woe baby
Say we gotta go
Yea, yea, yea, yea, yea, yea
Louie, Louie, oh baby
Say we gotta go
Lucky for you the archives have been conveniently purged. I was mixin it up with Caufield and Tena and Soccer Mom back in 02-03 when you were still trying to discern the differences between Nestle's Quik and Ovaltine, Newschool...
OH pnw3d!
'Ellroon' sounds like a planet from a classic old science fiction story, perhaps by Kilgore Trout...
I want to hear a twenty-one kazoo chorus play Louie Louie
The BBC Sure Gets Creative with their Commercials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...WVurC0j0&
fmt=18
Oh, jeez. The quotes that are coming from out of the depths of the Hurricane Ike devastation (up here in the Eastex, we lost some trees and a lot of light poles, but it could have been a lot worse. Power came back on today) things like; "Our house was spared, God blessed us!" Fer crapsake, dude, "God" tore up the whole freakin' subdivision, and killed 3 people, WTF is wrong with you?! If your idea of being blessed is to not be gored by a runaway bull, or flattened by a falling ten ton weight, then I hardly think you could set the bar any lower...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:10 am | #
This criticism of the believer's instinct strikes me as seriously bad logic.
It is quite possible that but for divine intervention, tens or hundreds of thousands more might have died/suffered.
As Evelyn Waugh used to say, just think of how much worse a sinner he would have been but for the effects of divine grace upon his soul.
we weren't issued id numbers that give us bonuses at the company store, were we?
then who cares who was here first?
First off would be figuring out a way to wipe that smug grin off Bill Kristol's face. - spoc ko
Castiron skillet.
That the universe is amazing does not logically bear on the question of whether it, or its subset that is our life within it, is contingent.
ProfWombat | 09.21.08 - 12:14 am | #
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Probably not. Least I fucking hope so. But maybe, just maybe. In any case, I threw in my lot with the second maybe.
someone just googled "homo sex in islamabad and rawalpindi" and got my blog...
(makes mental note to read ellroon's blog more often)
Ali
Come for the homo sex, stay for the food fights!
fucking giants.
If I said you had a beautiful body without organs, would you hold it against me?
Smooooth space.
They are just as deserving of help as anyone but I doubt they will see much assistance.
If it's not on teevee it never happened.
Hence, God was involved somehow.
I read about an account of a man attacked by a grizzly bear, it took out one of his eyes, ripped off and swallowed his scalp, chewed off his jaw and then decimated his nether regions.
By the grace of God he survived.
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:17 am | #
Picking on women since '02.
That's our little boy.
If your idea of being blessed is to not be gored by a runaway bull, or flattened by a falling ten ton weight, then I hardly think you could set the bar any lower...
Meanie-meanie
Glad to hear you're OK - that storm was scary as all hell, and I'm in Tennessee.
It's a natural reaction for people to do that (to a point) but when they say things like "God killed those other people, but spared me, how great thou art" I can lose it.
After the Challenger space shuttle exploded, a local teacher was all over the news here, saying God kept her from winning a chance to be on the shuttle. Like...God picked the other woman to die. It can turn sickening - and if you're on the losing side, it can get in head that you did something to deserve it if those people are yapping around you.
Hi Spocko, yes, it was a Good Day. I started off by going to the opening of my local Obama campaign office with about five hundred of my fellow dirty fucking hippies. Place was so packed with vehicles plastered with bumper stickers like mine, it actually almost warmed my cold, shriveled heart. Spent a little time in a book store today, as well. Bought some fluff, which I sat down and immediately read (first book in the series on which the new HBO series True Blood is based), and also bought The Audacity of Hope, which I have somehow never read. Got to spend some time with the old man, which hardly ever happens any more, so yeah, Good Day.
Why is Warren Buffet appearing in a furniture store commercial?
Picking on women since '02.
~~~~~~~~~~~
You're a chick?!!
ronjazz, he's been picking on women here since 2002.
Somehow, I doubt we're his original location.
I think it's more trying to deal with survivers' guilt. How on earth do you explain that you lived while others died? It can shred your mind if you let it.
Hence, God was involved somehow.
ellroon, Black Lizzie | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:15 am | #
Yours is a more charitable view, and it's surely true in some cases. But there's increasingly an attitude in this country that people who die are fuck-ups or sinners or otherwise brought it on themselves.
"Elroon" was the third Blues Brother, but didn't make it past the final edit.
I'm sorry, you were saying there was a difference between you and Avedon and NTodd and...
Moron, I was saying that Avedon is a girl.
Evening again.
Die suddenly, i mean.
By the grace of God he survived.
Implying his survival in such a state was a good thing. Not all would agree.
And if God can be credited with his survival, then He must also be blamed for the attack in the first place...
'Ellroon' sounds like a planet from a classic old science fiction story, perhaps by Kilgore Trout...
ProfWombat
Gamer name to play Dark Age of Camelot, had a set up email so I used it. And it stuck.
I've been accused of being an L. Ron Hubbard follower as well as a Lord of the Rings wannabee.
First time I've been compared to a planet though...
Moron, I was saying that Avedon is a girl.
Thers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh, sorry.
I never did make it to Philly...
I'm not sure "humble" was the word I wanted... but still- they're trying to say they know there's something Bigger than Themselves... whether it's Nature, or God, whatever.
as Mark Knopfler once sang, "philosophy is useless- theology is worse" (or was it the other way 'round? ah hell)
Hello Anon, hope you're sharing that tiramisu.
Moron, I was saying that Avedon is a girl.
Sexist!
Uncle B, I don't think my coworkers were trying to be uncharitable.
They're worse than the Brits--they'll wager on ANYTHING.
Well, they are statisticians.
Wow! Tony Alamo. Now THERE'S a whackjob's whackjob.
Somewhere, I have a flyer of his, about as densely printed as a Dr. Bronner's label, and infinitely less coherent and entertaining.
Have fun with your new playmates in the slammer, Tony. I know they'll have fun with you.
Picking on women since '02.
While pretending to be one, typically.
He's a cyber Norman Bates.
Picking on women since '02.
That's our little boy.
It's who he is. It's what he does.
OK Nick, now I understand what you're getting at.
Is it true there's a cockpit video of the final seconds of Challengers' descent?
"and if you're on the losing side, it can get in head that you did something to deserve it if those people are yapping around you."
horror story about sunday school when I was a kid of 9
as I said I was raised fundie. I was saved every weekend for years, the drill being the same, some adult would testify and then we would "accept the lord jesus christ as our personal savior" which was a ticket to great joy, we were told. When I asked where my joy was, I was told "god must have rejected you"
xians keep wanting me to "move past that" and are irritated when I won't
By the grace of God he survived.
Mr French |
wow, bald, blind, toothless & dickless, he's sure blessed.
Hello Anon, hope you're sharing that tiramisu.
About 90 minutes too late. Did share with my wife over recorded episodes of ANTM and Supernatural.
Ah, Kilgore Trout...
I read a lot of SF and some books I consider 'Kilgore Trout books" interesting ideas crappy writing.
I just finished a book called AXIS that was the sequel to SPIN. The basic thing about it that I liked was that the characters were real. One woman broke up with her ex but refused to make him a monster and he was a law abiding person working for an agency that was corrupt but he wasn't.
And they had a whole catagory of people called "Forths" that consisted of people who were giving treatment to give them an extra 30 years of life.
"Is it true there's a cockpit video of the final seconds of Challengers' descent?"
I know there's an audio recording but it has never been released to the public
Chris, I caught someone putting one of his flyers on my car while coming out of the Vons one day.
I told him to get the fucking thing off my car or I'd beat him with my tire iron. And I would have.
It's who he is. It's what he does.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
~~~~~~~~~~~~
NTodd? ronjazz? grand moff? phila? mrs i?
Lay off the Stoli for once in your life, fur christendom..
I told him to get the fucking thing off my car or I'd beat him with my tire iron. And I would have.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Now that really would be extreme ironing
Bought some fluff, which I sat down and immediately read (first book in the series on which the new HBO series True Blood is based)..
I did that recently, also. The concept is kind of a kick. The delivery...I guess for fluff, it's okay.
I picked up a couple of Tim Dorsey mysteries based on recommendations here. And he is hilarious. Brilliant, in parts.
Moron, I was saying that Avedon is a girl.
Sexist!
Mr French
Uh... testosteronely challenged?
Elias, please go away.
Well, they are statisticians.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.21.08 - 12:24 am
Sallyh, we have a debate at work as to whether statisticians can do the same type of evaluative work that psychometricians do or is the latter just too specialized. What do you think?
He's a cyber Norman Bates.
Richard
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And Dick's the online Billy Bibbit...
Chris, I caught someone putting one of his flyers on my car while coming out of the Vons one day.
I told him to get the fucking thing off my car or I'd beat him with my tire iron. And I would have.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
At least it wasn't that guy running around with Vaseline on his butt smearing plate glass windows...
Why is Warren Buffet appearing in a furniture store commercial?
The Old Man From Scene 24
Is it for Nebraska Furniture Mart?
Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue
WASHINGTON (AP) - Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks - many calling them "lazy,""violent" or responsible for their own troubles.
"Well, they are statisticians."
took grad stats from this delightful woman who told me really it was all easy.
History now, that she said was hard.
Kitty, psychometrics is its own field. I'm a competent biostatistician and trying to assure myself I don't totally suck as a statistical geneticist. I wouldn't go near psychometrics--nothing in my background would give me that sort of expertise.
Elias is regularly destroyed by males and females here, but saves his vilest, most angry screeds for women. Lots of mommy issues.
Now I have the idea Elias is the boy who got to visit Captain Oveur and Roger Murdock in the cockpit before the flight, grown up...
Ah, Kilgore Trout...
I read a lot of SF and some books I consider 'Kilgore Trout books" interesting ideas crappy writing.
Timothy Zahn in that list?.
I know there's an audio recording but it has never been released to the public
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
~~~~~~~~``
What a horrible fate, if they were still alive. Supposedly that cabin hit the water at over 200mph...
Ellroon, I'd have probably just gone for the Windex on that one.
I'm here, therefore you all exist
Lets talk about me
The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 - about 2.5 percentage points.
Ellroon, I'd have probably just gone for the Windex on that one.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Bleach...
I did that recently, also. The concept is kind of a kick. The delivery...I guess for fluff, it's okay.
I agree. I really didn't think I'd dig the concept, as I am something of an old school purist when it comes to vampires, but I actually kind of like it. It was a pleasant way to kill a couple of hours on a warm and breezy Saturday.
I wouldn't go near psychometrics--nothing in my background would give me that sort of expertise.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.21.08 - 12:30 am
I get the impression that it is the "touchy feely" end of the hard science.
"Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue."
Blacks are not as violent as these "white Democrats." Personal experiece.
Just to be on the record. I am Not laughing at the very lame Paw and Order joke on SNL.
Really.
'night, all
Keep your eyes on the prize
Take it easy, but take it
Lucky for you the archives have been conveniently purged. I was mixin it up with Caufield and Tena and Soccer Mom back in 02-03
So you've always been an asshole? Cool.
What name were you using from late 2003 'til (say) 2007, pray tell?
"What a horrible fate, if they were still alive."
some apparently were, but it was a long time ago that I read this and my memory of the details is sketchy
More than a third of all white Democrats and independents - voters Obama can't win the White House without - agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.
Elias, please go away.
Mr French
Seconded. Vote?
Just an observation.
Christopher Walken is one creepy mofo.
On the other hand, he can dance like a mofo, too.
So it all balances out.
Lets talk about me
Elias
~~~~~~~~~~~
Why thank you.
I have dinner reservations at vegiterranean tomorrow at 6, then it's off to meet ronjazz for some Stoli's at 9...
Timothy Zahn?
Never touch the stuff.
somebody's namestealing elias now. Come on, own up.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 12:31 am | #
Fear, or wishful thinking on your part?
All bullshit, any way you look at it.
"Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue."
Hey, dumb-ass cracker voters: You either get the reasoned, well-educated darkie or the bobblehead PTA chick. Choose wisely.
Kitty, not so sure about that.
There are a number of psychologists who are very skilled in quantitative methods. But I'm not trained in psychology.
Elias is regularly destroyed by males and females here, but saves his vilest, most angry screeds for women. Lots of mommy issues.
ronjazz | 09.21.08 - 12:30 am | #
Seems to be the only consistent characteristic of our trolls, from Ricky Vandal to Adrian Spidle to Petzold to Elias.
Well, besides having shit for brains, that is.
The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats. President Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war and a national sense of economic hard times cut against GOP candidates, as does that fact that Democratic voters outnumber Republicans.
The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home - among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.
The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.
When I asked where my joy was, I was told "god must have rejected you"
Makes me want to go kick someone's ass right this minute to even of doing such a thing to a child. I'd hope real Christians would say the same thing.
On the other hand, when I went through a bad spell of about three years when several major bad things happened to me, all spaced out evenly, the worst people were some New Age types. They kept insinuating something was wrong with my karma or I was bringing bad things on myself.
I was ready to move to a desert island, for awhile there.
Terrific documentary on the boxes that Kubrick left after he died. Starts about a minute in. Really compelling.
http://videogum.com/archives/
doc...cks_019791.html
Hey, dumb-ass cracker voters: You either get the reasoned, well-educated darkie or the bobblehead PTA chick. Choose wisely.
Anon, tiramisu
I hope it doesn't come down to relying on cracker wisdom.
Ellroon, a Vaseline butt print on my windshield is a prank.
Tony Alamo is a psychotic.
"There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.
dkos-Research 2000 tracking poll
Obama 50
McFool 42
Obama's lead has been rising about a point a day in the last week.
What name were you using from late 2003 'til (say) 2007, pray tell?
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Elias" then, "Elias" now, "Elias" forever! Just couldn't post that often as I was limited to the college and library computers. Now that I've got my own, I've turned into a monster.
I can't help myself. I AM NOT AN ANIMAL!!!
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/597.../597861/
2890875
Richard Pryor - Chevy Chase word associations clip.
There are a number of psychologists who are very skilled in quantitative methods. But I'm not trained in psychology.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.21.08 - 12:34 am
Hmmmm, ok.
Obama's lead has been rising about a point a day in the last week.
I really want Obama to shut McCain down next Friday and pull out to a massive lead.
T4TN, I just always try to keep in mind that what you get is not usually what you deserve, assuming we can even determine who deserves what.
As Terry Pratchett says, there's no justice. There's just you.
independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.
Assumes facts not in evidence. Boy, are these fuckwads going to be in a world of hurt and confusion come Nov. 5.
The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 12:34 am | #
No, the survey is a racist trick, because Obama has a comfortable lead over Mckeating, and the pollsters are doing their best to scare idiots like you.
"Congress leaders have promised swift action on the bail-out package, although some of the details are still being worked out.
Steny Hoyer, the Democratic leader in the House of Representatives, said the chamber would probably take up a bill to implement the plan early next week.
Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker, said legislators would stay in town past their hoped-for adjournment next Friday, if needed, in order to pass it."
http://english.aljazeera.net/
bus...9449216337.html
Well, besides having shit for brains, that is.
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As opposed to the establishment trolls who only have a lot of shit...
Christopher Walken is one creepy mofo.
On the other hand, he can dance like a mofo, too.
"Pennies From Heaven" - one of the most depressing movies in the world, but the musical scenes - my God.
And I love Dennis Potter...while I'm on that - how can you not love a guy who named his cancer "Rupert" for Rupert Murdoch.
No, the survey is a racist trick, because Obama has a comfortable lead over Mckeating, and the pollsters are doing their best to scare idiots like you.
ronjazz
Mckeating
Here is the Richard Pryor Chevy Chase clip on word association
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos...deos/
f02d0b8cca
When Obama wins in a massive landslide, these same scientists will release a report showing how racial attitudes in America have done a complete 180 in just two months, right?
The MSM will do their best to keep it close (seemingly). They make more money that way.
Is it true there's a cockpit video of the final seconds of Challengers' descent?
Elias
Why, you wanna fucking watch it? Christ...
Guess which AP reporter wrote the article?
Time for bed. This bug has kicked the shit out of me.
Ciao for now...
WASHINGTON - A federal judge on Saturday ordered Dick Cheney to preserve a wide range of the records from his time as vice president.
Do you think he'll listen?
As opposed to the establishment trolls who only have a lot of shit...
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:37 am | #
Fight the power, dude.
Just couldn't post that often as I was limited to the college and library computers.
I am overcome with nostalgia.
The MSM will do their best to keep it close (seemingly). They make more money that way.
Yup.
Please do not feed the fuckwad troll.
TIA.
-
I keep wandering over to 538.com to look at the little pie charts and smile. Can't help it.
Okay, sleepy times here. Nytol!
Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president - white, black or brown.
Why, you wanna fucking watch it? Christ...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Like you wouldn't, liar...
The MSM will do their best to keep it close (seemingly). They make more money that way.
So, then, I wonder what the polls really are. Anyone wanna hazard a guess?
"Do you think he'll listen?"
i think he'll invite the judge to go hunting with him
The NYT skit is so unfunny, it's sad.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 12:39 am | #
Most Republicans are stupid assholes.
I am overcome with nostalgia.
Thers | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:39 am | #
Am I supposed to assume he was Jeremiah Elias? 'Cause that's the only name remotely like "Elias" that I remember from back then.
I don't remember him being quite as much of a fuckwad, however....
Fight the power, dude.
Phila, Mere Pseud Mag. Ed.
~~~~~~~~~~
Never took you to demean an idealist...
Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.
"Most Republicans are stupid assholes."
yes, I've heard that
As Terry Pratchett says, there's no justice. There's just you.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
If Terry Pratchett wrote a Bible, I'd read it, attend his church, and maybe even put something in the basket...
Like you wouldn't, liar...
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:40 am | #
Nice projection. You're mentally unbalanced, so everybody else must be.
Idiot.
Andrew Sullivan.... what a dick
"Naomi Klein on Real Time with Bill Maher"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...ksandliars.com/
George Wallace said it best, "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Patriot Act, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook, warrant-less wiretapping and opening private mail. They are both guilty of treason.
Clean them all out and save this great nation.
Never took you to demean an idealist...
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:41 am | #
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
Never took you AS ONE to demean an idealist...
every time El Esposo mentions the polls I tell him to follow the money. So he did. Turns out Obama has out-raised McSpain 4:1. If that comes mostly from small donors then "close polls" are not reflective of what is happening in the money race. I think that the close polls are rigged to make the election easier to steal.
Idealist requires an idea
"So, then, I wonder what the polls really are. Anyone wanna hazard a guess?"
-Anon, tiramisu
McCain is a solid 43 to 45 percent tops. Obama is steady at 49, and has always been so. The "undecided indedpendents" category is actually quite slim; true independents have already decided to vote Obama.
I hope Bernie Sanders' ideas on the bailout prevail:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/ne...d.cfm?
id=303313
Idealist requires an idea
bill
~~~~~~~~~~~
Were you one once? What changed you?
More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 12:42 am | #
Pure bullshit, from a pure bullshitter.
Steny Hoyer, the Democratic leader in the House of Representatives, said the chamber would probably take up a bill to implement the plan early next week.
We seriously need a blogger swarm this week.
toor tired, later...
Like you wouldn't, liar...
Elias
No, I fucking well would not. Snuff films are not my cup of tea. There's a chasm between Holllllywood mayhem and the real thing, and I'd rather not fall into it. So, fuck you, OK?
We seriously need a blogger swarm this week.
smalfish
I'm for a march as well
Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.
Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.
Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.
Norm Sq | 09.21.08 - 12:42 am | #
al gore is president in 2000 we are not in this mess
john kerrey is president in 2004 things are better
you know this so stop with the naderisms. they are bullshit
No, I fucking well would not. Snuff films are not my cup of tea. There's a chasm between Holllllywood mayhem and the real thing, and I'd rather not fall into it. So, fuck you, OK?
~~~~~~~~~~~
This is getting good.
So you turned away every single time the Zapruder film was played on TV or in film over the past how many decades you've been alive?
Honest answer, please...
More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
I'd like a link to this swill.
So, fuck you, OK?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
You wouldn't like it. He would just lie there crying
Yeah, that's what I thought...
Oh killfile, you are getting such a workout these days.
Honest answer, please...
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:46 am | #
You're one sick ghoul. Not everybody has the issues you have, little one.
This is getting good.
Watch the wrist...
Neeext...
I'd like a link to this swill.
I don't think Internet technology has yet reached the point where it's possible to link directly to a troll's asshole.
Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue
By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...mJEOAAD93AIT880
A kilgore Trout novel I read was called
Nano by John Robert Marlow.
He had some interesting ideas about the development of nanotechnology but it just went nuts at the end.
Remember the "nano-tech" craze? I went to a conference on it about 4 years ago. What a mess. Not ready for prime time.
Please do not feed the fuckwad troll.
TIA.
-
QuentinCompson, Negatory
I sowwy. Seriously. I know better, but...grrrrrr...
By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON
I hope you're not taking this stuff seriously.
M out
later.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 12:47 am | #
Ah, Fournier, professional liar.
You're dismissed. Go give Elias his nightly blowjob, asshole.
Remember the "nano-tech" craze?
Good ideas that devolved to "a wizard did it."
You're one sick ghoul. Not everybody has the issues you have, little one.
ronjazz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What was that about projection?
gilad
Elias is quite the cut and paster.
Wonderful what useful skills you develop while getting a Texas A&M degree.
Ron Fournier? Well, I stand corrected. It IS technically possible. Who knew?
I don't think Internet technology has yet reached the point where it's possible to link directly to a troll's asshole.
ThinlyVeiled | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:47 am | #
You've been killfiling Elias?
Enough.
Obama is a politician, that is a given. Politicians promise much and deliver little. Obama will do shit that we will dislike. But he also will do things we support.
Trying to drum up racist feelings is ridiculous. What is at stake is our way of life, our Constitution, our country, and Obama knows this. He knows he will be given a broken military, a gutted economy, a shredded Constitution, a polarized and angry citizenry.
McCain doesn't know shit and doesn't want to. He just wants to be president.
Good night, Uncle Blodge.
As Terry Pratchett says, there's no justice. There's just you.
Sallyh
Thank you - and you should know, shouldn't you? Things happen that you can't control.
"Bad things happen to good people"...we grapple with that all the time, all you have to do is look around at other people. I know most of the "God's will" people mean well. I'd rather think, if there is a God, he or she suffers along with us.
And I like to think of Woody Allen's bit - in Hannah and Her Sisters, I think - he's despairing, on the verge of suicide over the terrible tragedies in the world and he stumbles into a Marx Brothers movie and recovers.
Adn that's the flip side - how can you explain the pure, unleashed joy of the Marx Brothers? And thank God (or..you know..whomever..) for that.
I will probably catch flack from some of my fellow Atriwomen, but Matthew McConaughey: NOT HOT.
In fact, pretty disgusting.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 09.21.08 - 12:01 am | #
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I will probably catch flack from some Atriwomen, but Naomi Klein: HOT.
In fact, FUCKIN' HAWT.
I was hoping to avoid that Fournier article.
He really is a piece of work.
Obama's consistent and undeniable lead in the polls have prompted them to bend over backwards to accomidate the horse race narrative. The electoral vote will no doubt be much closer, but the popular vote looks more and more like a 5 to 7 million vote advantage.
You know this, "hurry up and pass a bill!" is what got us the Patriot act.
By saying that they will come in and help they have eased the fear on WS. What they are trying to do is race through the biggest bail our in our history in a WEEK. That is INSANE.
Elias is quite the cut and paster.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From the hands of the psycho fuck who thinks all non-establishment trolls are really the same person.
NO, no psychosis there.
No way...
Why is it, when I read Elias, I think of Gordon?
The thing is Obamas demeanor and consistancy doesn't give the scandal press anything to use against him so all that is left is the race thing.
most of the racists whites are in the southern tier of states which McCane is going to carry anyway.
One wonders if Ron Fournier is auditioning to be John McCain's press secretary.
You know this, "hurry up and pass a bill!" is what got us the Patriot act.
By saying that they will come in and help they have eased the fear on WS. What they are trying to do is race through the biggest bail our in our history in a WEEK. That is INSANE.
spoc ko Bankster-American
Excellent point. Hurry up so we won't figure out... exactly what, please?
Ali, sorry I have to be such a prick, but, as you can see, it's tough work arguing with insane people...
What was that about projection?
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:49 am | #
Quite a reach, there, little one. You really should run off to bed. You're especially weak tonight.
You know this, "hurry up and pass a bill!" is what got us the Patriot act.
I said that earlier.
Dos that mean you owe me a coke?
More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
Now look - if "change" matters to people, why in hell would they vote against him unless they vote for a third party candidate?
How could anyone make a serious, objective case for McCain and change?
One wonders if Ron Fournier is auditioning to be John McCain's press secretary.
Washed up, two time loser ex-Senators need press secretaries? Damn, I learn all kinds of shit here.
You know this, "hurry up and pass a bill!" is what got us the Patriot act
And this bailout will be felt by all, not like people who are getting their homes searched and phone tapped without them being aware of it.
Er, that was just me noting Naomi Klein's hot factor. I apologize for putting Dick Cheney's name like that with Naomi Klein. Cuz that's just WRONG.
She's still hot, though. SMART is sexy.
NO ronjazz!
You MAY NOT give me a reacharound tonight!
You've been killfiling Elias? -ronjazz
long ago I killfiled a butler troll and the troll at bar disappeared from my scroll
.
How could anyone make a serious, objective case for McCain and change?
They can't. Hence they rally around Palin, who is used as more of a change agent.
You are a guy, right ronjazz?
work arguing with insane people...
Elias | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:53 am | #
Ah, the "I'm alright, everybody else is wrong" argument.
Let us know if they ever let you out of grammar school, little one.
One wonders if Ron Fournier is auditioning to be John McCain's press secretary.
Fournier is Mckeating's press secretary.
spoc ko Bankster-American | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 12:51 am |
Ya know, the contract to refinance my house with the appraisal, survey etc. is close to 50 pages long. All that for under $150K Yet they plan to give away $700B in three pages?
Maybe some congresscritters will have the time to read the proposal while they're rolling their socks up to go back to the home district for the holidays.
Ali, sorry I have to be such a prick, but, as you can see, it's tough work arguing with insane people...
The wife beater excuse... it's your fault I have to be an asshole... yeah right.
jeebus, Ellie Mae Buttle is really on a tear tonight. I guess allen heath barr buttle mae is feeling the flop sweat permeate every crevice and pore of his pathetic existence..
how much bitch slapping can one Texas masochist take?
ronjazz, I just want to make sure I"m not singling out women by treating you like the ignorant punching bag you are...
how much bitch slapping can one Texas masochist take?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 09.21.08 - 12:56 am | #
Like he has a choice. pathetic little elias.
mrs i?
You're a guy too, right?
Don't want to be accused of singling out women...
"how much bitch slapping can one Texas masochist take?"
Remember the Alamo!?
Why is it, when I read Elias, I think of Gordon?
I think of this...
Baby oscar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r...h?
v=rDgQCg3ut_I
Pretty much sums him up in a nutshell.
has the NCAA decided to delist the ACC from Division 1A yet? what's the holdup?
smalfish | 09.21.08 - 12:53 am
No. I would owe you a coke if we said it at the same time. Since I said it after you said it that means that I didn't read the earlier part of the thread so Instead of a coke I owe you a gumball.
BTW, mrs i?
If you are a guy, what's the deal with using a female Arabic nym? Don't you think that's a bit sexist as well as anti-arab?
Remember the Alamo!?
the ruester | 09.21.08 - 12:58 am
Hey, watch it! lotta Texans come here and in the majority they are sane and rational contributors to the general discourse. Don't slander all of us just because one moron is from Austin.
What is this, "Nutjob Night" at Eschaton?
Is this a new Saturday night thing?
well, football was fun today, even with all the hooha and folderall.
don't let the Buttle Bugs bite.
I better get my shots in before I'm banned again...
I'm from San Antonio. Pleased to meet you.
What is this, "Nutjob Night" at Eschaton?
You already said that (duplicate post)
Thought you were going to bed, in any case.
Go, Spurs, Go!
I see Elias is here and is lying as usual.
You already said that (duplicate post)
~~~~~~~~
DID NOT!!
ronjazz, I just want to make sure I"m not singling out women ... Elias
that's an easy test - are you a extremely lonely contrarian troll wearing womens' panties, throwing up, and having 'I hate mommy thoughts'?
They can't. Hence they rally around Palin, who is used as more of a change agent.
She's used that way, sure - but the reality is quite different. She's more regressive than Bush or Cheney s far as social views. And her constant lies say she's so not about change.
Something else is going on if they use that as an excuse. All IMO, but it's based on knowing her record.
The best thing that could happen - Obama is seen for what he is as a candidate, not a black guy. And she's seen for what she is as a candidate - not a woman. I hope so - I think he'll do better, she'll do worse.
What kind of nutsy election turns on a Veep candidate, anyway? It doesn't say much for McCain.
(duplicate post)
You've just reminded me, I haven't been over to Daily Kos today.
What kind of nutsy election turns on a Veep candidate, anyway? It doesn't say much for McCain.
T4TN | 09.21.08 - 1:04 am | #
imagine where he'd be without her. Holy shit.
The NYT skit is so unfunny, it's sad.
pseudonymous in nc
I thought the skit had a number of hilarious moments. However, on three or four occasions, incest in the Palin family was mentioned (once in the form of a NYT article headline). I couldn't quite understand what was behind this addition of incest into the skit.
Heavy, serious subject.
a little more information from Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/ne...8E_E&
refer=home
I wouldn't buy a used tampon from George Bush and he wants us to trust him?
Bush said yesterday he's unconcerned that the price tag on the package may seem high.
``I'm sure there are some of my friends out there that are saying, `I thought this guy was a market guy, what happened to him?''' the president said. ``My first instinct was to let the market work, until I realized, while being briefed by the experts, how significant this problem became.''
The Bush administration seeks ``dictatorial power unreviewable by the third branch of government, the courts, to try to resolve the crisis,'' said Frank Razzano, a former assistant chief trial attorney at the Securities and Exchange Commission now at Pepper Hamilton LLP in Washington. ``We are taking a huge leap of faith.''
What kind of nutsy election turns on a Veep candidate, anyway? It doesn't say much for McCain.
T4TN
I wonder if he's pissed off she's getting all the attention? People in the audience were leaving the seats after Palin's speech and while McCain was talking.
That's gotta smart.
Meh, I shouldn't have bothered. Not a big news day, I guess.
Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.
Hey, watch it! lotta Texans come here and in the majority they are sane and rational contributors to the general discourse.
Not to mention, some of the best writers, musicians, and liberals are from Texas. I'm not from there but let's remember and honor Ann Richards, Molly Ivins, and a great old journalist who was blacklisted named John Henry Faulk.
And Willie Nelson, Lyle Lovett, Joe Ely..I could go on for awhile..
James Crumley is dead.
I'm from San Antonio. Pleased to meet you.
the ruester | 09.21.08 - 1:02 am
Wimberley and pleased to meet you too.
That's gotta smart.
ellroon, Black Lizzie | Homepage | 09.21.08 - 1:07 am | #
McCain must be feeling like elias, at this point.
"Oh the snot has caked against my pants. It has turned into crystal..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=s...feature=related
Only 12% of McCain's supporters said they were excited about him before Palin. And for God's sake - she's an idiot and a stone liar. People may notice these things.
The next one is hell, yeah.
they almost got me again. had me worried i'd be selling apples on the corner of eight avenue and fourteenth street or sumptin....saying yeah go ahead tax us all to bail out investment banks...but then i remembered who these assholes are, that same old crowd that has lied to us for years and years....so i say if we are going to do something extraordinary to save western civilization LOAD THE MOTHER FUCKER UP LIKE A CHRISTMAS TREE!
put stuff in it to rebuild roads and bridges, to help with mortgages and health care and schools and aunt em's enemas or whatever...i mean if we are going to go to the cleaners for 700 billion add another two or three billion and TAKE CARE OF THE BASIC NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 1:08 am | #
come back when you have information instead of bullshit.
Wimberley.
My grams is up there. Small world, big state, huh?
Hey, Spocko, I hate to be the bearer of bad news...
Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes - including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers.
James Crumley is dead.
Well, bummer..another terrific writer.
What kind of nutsy election turns on a Veep candidate, anyway? It doesn't say much for McCain.
Yeah, I mean, she's used as a change agent, but it's an illusion.
I hope, after McCain loses, we get some insider giving the full story about why Palin was the pick.
gilad | 09.21.08 - 1:10 am | #
researchers used lies, fear and racism to propagate lies and bullshit.
Every dude is gonna be saying it, because, Hell Yeah.
My grams is up there. Small world, big state, huh?
the ruester | 09.21.08 - 1:10 am
Yup, is she ranchin' or in town?
We're near the Well.
That's gotta smart.
He seems to have an ego the size of Alaska..he's probably justifiying it all, somehow.
I never thought I'd see someone out-cynical Bush.
imagine where he'd be without her. Holy shit.
I agree that without the Palin stunt pick, he might not have gotten that post convention bounce.
On the other hand, her negatives are now exploding. In the end I think, he'd have probably been better off picking a VP with legimate credentials instead of a demented sideshow clown.
Either way, though, he's a loser.
"Yup, is she ranchin' or in town?"
She's near some high school living with my uncle. Very sick.