HULK SMASHED
Why can't we ask experts about their history of accurate predictions?
God forbid we rabble have a say in decisions that often send our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors into war.
Flintstones, meet the Flintstones!
HEY WILMA!!!
Enough already with the "very serious people." I think we get the point.
From Old Fashioned Patriot below, this is too good to not see.
Enough already with the "very serious people." I think we get the point.
Au contraire. I think the point needs to be hammered into every human head in the USA.
Au contraire. I think the point needs to be hammered into every human head in the USA.
Vicki, Who ? Al Gore
Yeah, but they don't read this blog.
Does this tie-dye make my butt look fat?
Does my butt look fat with this tie-dye?
cn cannot get enough gooper enablers on staff -jessica yellin just gave rudolph/judith a big pass
au contraire, mutherf*cker.
Hey Cookie,
There are other places to hang out, dontcha know.
Hey Cookie,
There are other places to hang out, dontcha know.
ignoreland
Can't I have a contrary opinion and still hang out here?
Heh. You know, I'll bet that writer was realy proud of using "clerisy". Read it over two or three times just to see how pretty it sounded. Heh.
Does my butt look fat with this tie-dye?
I did camo tyedye yesterday. You can't see my butt.
Absolutely. But when a thread comes up that I have no thoughts on, I just go elsewhere. Just sayin.
This post was very complex and boring. I'd rather focus on John Edwards's latest haircut and Al Gore's weight.
Oh yeah, and librulz suck!
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Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
Heh. You know, I'll bet that writer was realy proud of using "clerisy". Read it over two or three times just to see how pretty it sounded. Heh.
Clerisy is like leprosy without a cure. There are clerisy colonies. A few are the AEI and the Cato Institute.
I did camo tyedye yesterday. You can't see my butt.
I was thinking about you when I saw the original tie-dye post.
Absolutely. But when a thread comes up that I have no thoughts on, I just go elsewhere. Just sayin.
ignoreland
I had a thought, guess it just wasn't welcomed. Time for a fresh turn of phrase, that's all I'm sayin'.
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
liberal
Noam Chomsky thinks my auto mechanic should be able to teach linguistics at the graduate level?
Cookie,
We know you're not a troll.
Some phrases but me sometimes.
It's all good.
We would be tye-dying right now, except the dammed rain is preventing it.
I could go can some more tomatos, but that may wait until tommorrow.
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
I doubt he said that. Having an engineering degree or a residency in neurosurgery has some value. And there are some great intellectual achievements by both.
Wasn't Drezner on some Chimpy furrin policy advisory committee?
I hate patchouli.
I hate patchouli
Funny you can smell the patchouli & hemp soap I used in the shower earlier.
Drezner sez he's "libertarian Republican." No such thing.
http://www.danieldrezner.com/arc...ves/
002397.html
I hate patchouli.
Fuck you, hater. You wouldn't hate it if you smelled it on me.
odd, i was just posting about this and i predicted that atrios would be yammering about it again.
guess that makes me an expert.
Fuck you, hater. You wouldn't hate it if you smelled it on me.
Hate the smell, love the smeller.
Was "clerisy" on a Word-Of-The-Day calendar or something?
Absolutely. But when a thread comes up that I have no thoughts on, I just go elsewhere. Just sayin.
ignoreland
not me.
i rudely butt in and talk about something else.
usually me.
OT
that was now, this is then
http://corrente.blogspot.com/200...ange-it-
is.html
i rudely butt in and talk about something else.
usually me
Quite unlike the other 90 people sitting idle on the blog currently.
wish i could stay, but i've got to go to rehearsal.
we're putting on "patchoulli - the musical"
to tell the truth, it stinks.
If I have nothing to add to the conversation I don't say anything.
But I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back.
gwb:drf
Patchouli is to fragrance as cilantro is to salsa or new oak is to wine.
It can be a great ingredient, properly proportioned... as "the whole show" not so much.
But I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back.
we are.
we're saying "mmmm - nice ass!"
but we are too polite to say it very loudly.
"If I have nothing to add to the conversation I don't say anything."
I usually do this too.
"But I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back."
I'm not cool enough to have people talk about me behind my back.
Thanks, Dave. When I blogwhore it usually kills the thread...
"we're saying "mmmm - nice ass!""
I like tits, myself.
ok, i'm really leaving now. you are all welcome to talk about me while i'm gone.
there really ought to be a thread about me, then i wouldn't have to go off topic so often.
I like tits, myself.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
sure, but you can't see them from back there.
from tofubo's link:
The Papers show that there was no concern in the decisionmaking process for the impact of our actions upon the Vietnamese people. American objectives were always to preserve the power and prestige of this country. In the light of the devastation we have brought to that unhappy land, it is hard to believe that any consideration was given to the costs of our policies that would be borne by the very people we claimed to be helping.
-Senator Gravel, 1971
But I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back.
Ahh, bloody hell. Why would anyone talk about you behind your back? You're charming.
I look at it like this this: they can say whatever the fuck they want about me behind my back. I laugh, though, at those who come in here with tough talk and then get all weak and needy for support when others call them on their bullshit.
Arabella, we do talk about you - but privately on the 'secret Haloscan'.
Does my butt look fat with this tie-dye?
Baby, it looks just right!
So I play this online strategic conquest game, and the amazing thing is how many people I come into contact with who have endured wars launched by the US and Israel. Been chatting with a 15yo Serb who remembers being terrified during Clinton's war, and have also been talking to a few kids (HS and college) in Beirut.
Fucked. Up. Shit.
On the Sunday shows this morning, Karl Rove was treated largely with kid gloves by the hosts and was not forced to confront many difficult questions about his ethical improprieties while serving in the White House.
In three Sunday show appearances, he was not asked once about his efforts to politicize the federal government, despite the fact that a front-page article appeared on that very subject this morning in the Washington Post. Rove was also not asked about his role in selling the war prior to the invasion. Nor was he asked about his connections to Jack Abramoff, his use of non-White House email accounts, or his stewardship over the Katrina reconstruction efforts.
Shocking, but true.
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I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back.
The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about...
I fucking HATE cilantro in anything.
[Gag. Choke. Puke.]
When I have nothing to say my lips are sealed
Say something once why say it again
Psycho killer, qu'est que c'est
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa
I can't watch teevee when Haloscan is on Sunday morning.
Afternoon, rational people.
I have come to reassess my concept of experts and expertise. I now require proof of past success.
As a result, I have no objection to Atrios hammering on this subject, but I can also see Cookie's point.
There is such a thing as preaching to the choir.
So how long was I "dave1021"?
I had to change my commenting name to post at the local fishwrap this morning... didn't realize they were using haloscan!
I'm not cool enough to have people talk about me behind my back.
Uncle Blodge
you're cool to me
evening moonbats 
As a result, I have no objection to Atrios hammering on this subject, but I can also see Cookie's point.
There is such a thing as preaching to the choir.
Choirs often practice to sound good...
I fucking HATE cilantro in anything.
You and Rex Rabbit would NOT get along.
He LOVES his cilantro!
So how long was I "dave1021"?
I knew that was you!
It's our kos connection, babe,
All day. I thought you were making some kind of opaque statement about the duality of Man.
Choirs often practice to sound good...
Nice segue into the importance of being earnest...and more importantly, persistent.
"you're cool to me"
awww thanks for the smile.
part it's my joke that whenever people talk about music or movies I don't know anything they're talking about.
The tangible harm of inequality
You and Rex Rabbit would NOT get along.
Read that as "Sex Rabbit" scrolling down quickly.
Why, that's not right, I thought...
My mistake.
And there is an economic policy clergy and they worship at the two temples of the ECB and the Fed.
Atrios has a blind spot here.
It's our kos connection...
Wasn't that a disco hit in the 70s?
I like the way clerisy rhymes with heresy.
Yikes it was word of the day in October 2001!
Although there were a number of odd things about Ignatieff's piece in the MYT magazine, the strangest was his assertion that people in the academic community can play with ideas without consequence. Economists, scientists, engineers, medical researchers, and others would all find that assertion bizarre. What is true is that you can do so in the Foreign policy arena (provided that you are only concerned about your own professional career).
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit. To identify who is right an who is wrong. It may take years to do so but if a problem cannot be solved there is little value in addressing it. In general those individuals that are on the right side of any debate end up setting the stage for future work in that field. Again this may take time but it is necessary . You can't expand intellectual inquiry on idiocy.
The "serious foreign policy establishment" has replaced any effort to seek knowledge with the ability to parrot particular statements. So long as one is connected and can parrot the correct statements they are considered "serious." Its an unsustainable and dangerous state of affairs. Reality tends to intrude in rather impolite and brutal ways.
Nice segue into the importance of being earnest...and more importantly, persistent.
I will need help on this...
I fucking HATE cilantro in anything.
[Gag. Choke. Puke.]
Vicki, Who
For a pot luck supper here I made breaded turkey cutlets, with nutmeg in the breading. A neighbor was raving how much she loved them. When I told her it was turkey, she said, nope that's impossible, I hate turkey. Then she wanted to know what gave the breading that special taste. When I told her nutmeg, she again told me she despised, absolutely despised nutmeg. Heh.
Climate change campaigners clashed with riot police as they descended on the BAA offices at Heathrow this afternoon to protest against plans for a third runway at one of Europe's busiest airports.
By 5pm, four people had been arrested and at least five were injured.
Skirmishes broke out shortly after noon as protesters from the Camp for Climate Action at Heathrow began their 24 hours of direct action.
Officers, assisted by mounted police, flooded into the area through residential streets between the camp site and BAA's headquarters to restore order.
Armed with batons and plastic shields, police sought to herd protesters into a nearby car park as they arrived at the airport operators' headquarters near Heathrow airport.
Some of the campaigners resisted police attempts to keep them away from the company building and sat down, refusing to move.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
enviro...hange.activists
Read that as "Sex Rabbit" scrolling down quickly.
Why, that's not right, I thought...
Au contraire!
Au contraire!
dave™©
Okay, you found that link really quick.
...like bunny, even.
the strangest was his assertion that people in the academic community can play with ideas without consequence
I learned years ago to be careful of what I say on a Vogon ship.
Read that as "Sex Rabbit" scrolling down quickly.
Why, that's not right, I thought...
Jessica's not bad. She's just drawn that way.
Um - we do know that these 'very serious people' are actually pretty damned stupid, right? I mean actually slow? Deficient? Not bright? C-/D+ level?
'Cause I'm here to tell you, that's what they are. Thick. Pretentious, sure, but really, really dull.
.
I believe in being serious, not earnest.
I learned years ago to be careful of what I say on a Vogon ship.
In contrast, the Vorlons don't seem to enjoy poetry.
Jebus Dave.
I never knew such things existed.
"Okay, you found that link really quick."
I wasn't going to say anything but I thought the same.
Auntie GWPDA, I think you're being quite charitable in your descriptions.
Two guests are still missing after fire destroyed a seafront hotel in Cornwall, killing one man and injuring others.
The burnt-out ruins of the Penhallow Hotel in Newquay are still being secured for experts to begin searching for bodies - probably on Tuesday, Sky News has learnt.
Hoteliers and fire union officials have attacked cuts in the local fire service.
A couple who run the hotel next door to the Penhallow told Sky News that they blamed a lack of fire fighting resources for the loss of life.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/
arti...1280413,00.html
Dan Drezner's a true wonk, he's with the clerisy;
To question him's a sin, it's outright heresy.
He won't abide those stinking of patchouli:
They may be right, but they're much too unruly.
"I believe in being serious, not earnest."
I thought it was important to be earnest.
I have always believed in the Importance of Being Earnest. And Frank.
...you found that link really quick.
I've got an "in" at that store...
Uncle Blodge, Oscar Wilde might have something to say about that
yanno, it occurs to me that what we need is a program for the VA that deals with the shell-schocked vets coming in for treatment that lets them write poetry on what war is really like, distended guts and maggots and all.
Then we ought to help them set up their own blog to publish it.
(The above was wa-a-a-ay off topic, for which I apologize.)
Fly-fornication Moscowitz
:: doffs hat, bows deeply ::
"Oscar Wilde might have something to say about that"
perhaps - but I prefer being Ernie.
Auntie GWPDA, I think you're being quite charitable in your descriptions.
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere
I did not wish to offend the genuinely slow by having them confused with these pretentious, thick, twits. Listening to these people reminds me of the kinds of hangers-on found amongst the Mosely set.
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit.
I roughly agree. Or don't. Evolutionary psychology has become some sort of astrology for dead wood psychologists. These fields can do damage before they are finally put down. Eugenics, intelligence testing, etc. The Bell Curve and NCLB are children of the idea of you can measure intelligence. SJ Gould trashed this idea thoroughly. And yet he is dead, Bush the Yale cheerleader champions education, and nobody except a few (e.g., Kozol) recognize the truth.
Diane, but it is a valuable and timely suggestion.
Besides, who stays on topic here, anyway? When I arrived, the theme was Jessica Rabbit
Matt Wrack, general secretary of the Fire Brigades' Union, said: "We know that the only two aerial appliances in Cornwall were out of action and an appliance had to come 50 miles from Devon.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/
arti...1280413,00.html
unfuckingbelieable, they had 2 fire engines in for repair during the busiest holiday season
what sort of brainfart thought it be a good fucking idea to have 2 fire engine in for repairs at the same fucking time
lol, moscowitz
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
liberal | 08.19.07 - 1:11 pm | #
Great point. What exactly were Ghandis credentials? And Buddha? The most critical inquiry for humanity is in exploring the nature of our relationship to each other and our environment. Real insight into this inquiry is most frequently provided by the poorly credentialed.
The credentialed then build careers studying and interpreting what they have said.
I've got an "in" at that store...
Literally and figuratively!
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit.
That's like saying one can prove anything mathematically. Which is utterly absurd.
I'm proud to be a dirty fucking hippie
DFH is what I'm truly pleased to be
I have no use for Carville, Rove or Trippi
And they don't lose much sleep over me.
Thanks, Sallyh.
It's just that I've been reading Wilfred Owen, and this whole nobility of war bullcrap sickens me.
Diane, I think Clemenceau might suit you better...
Professor Irwin Corey:
The World's Foremost Authority!!!!
"what sort of brainfart thought it be a good fucking idea to have 2 fire engine in for repairs at the same fucking time"
depends - was this maintenance that could be rescheduled or was it something that needed fixing right away?
still - they should have prepared for being down those units.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner has arrived in the Iraqi capital Baghdad for a visit at the invitation of the country's president.
The trip marks the first time a French minister has been to Iraq since it opposed the US-led invasion in 2003.
The election in May of Nicolas Sarkozy as French president brought an improvement in relations with the US.
The French Foreign Ministry said Mr Kouchner was in the country to express a "message of solidarity".
The ministry said in a statement: "At the invitation of Mr Jalal Talabani, president of Iraq, the foreign minister has just begun an official visit to Baghdad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6953928.stm
The World's Foremost Authority!!!!
steve simels
...and a founding member of the Komedy Klerisy.
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit.
Hogwash......
It is not the idea but the question that has merit. It is not the answer but the inquiry that gives meaning to our lives. The most dangerous people in the world are those who live a life of certitude.
depends - was this maintenance that could be rescheduled or was it something that needed fixing right away?
still - they should have prepared for being down those units.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 08.19.07 - 1:41 pm | #
I don't know
nevertheless but having both in at the same time is poor fucking planning, especially during a holiday season
"What exactly were Ghandis credentials?"
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
"I've got an "in" at that store..."
Literally and figuratively!
For some reason, I was not informed August is Anal Sex Month.
I certainly got the memo on "Masturbation Month" in May...
And I mean that with the utmost conviction.....
The most dangerous people in the world are those who live a life of certitude.
Shared Humanity
No question about it.
Professor Irwin Corey
Did you know he accepted the National Book Award for Thomas Pynchon in 1974?
At Pynchon's request!
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
And he served during the Boer Wars.
BAGHDAD, 19 August 2007 (IRIN) - Youssef Obeidi, 32, last week left Karada Hospital’s family planning clinic with news that he will not be able to have children unless he undergoes lengthy treatment to reverse his sterility. Doctors told him that in war conditions, there is a higher chance men can become sterile.
“For three years I have been blaming my wife because she couldn’t get pregnant. But after a long examination in this clinic, a doctor said that she was fine and in perfect condition to become a mother. For this reason, I had to have myself checked,” Obeidi said.
“Initially I refused because in our Arab society it is a disgrace for any man to be sterile. But later my desire to become a father overcame this and I went to the clinic, where I learnt that I couldn’t become a father because the low speed of my sperms cannot fertilize an ovule,” he added.
According to Dr Muhammad Bashier, manager of the family planning clinic in Karada Hospital, Baghdad, the number of sterile men in Iraq has increased dramatically over the past four years as a result of stress, depression and exposure to radiation and possibly chemicals.
http://www.iraqslogger.com/
index...n_to_Be_Sterile
What became of Coco Henson Scales?
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
And he served during the Boer Wars.
NTodd, FLÜGGÅ?NK?€&
Professor Irwin Corey? Or Thomas Pynchon?
I'm gettig confused.
I'm gettig confused.
Brooklyn Girl
Have another drink dear.
The official website of Professor Irwin Corey, the World's Foremost Authority:
http://www.irwincorey.org/
Relevant quote: "I'd rather be a son of a bitch than a son of a BUSH."
Guy's got a documentary about him coming out...could be a hot one!
I found the South African scenes in the movie "Ghandi" interesting. I have no idea if they reflected the reality of the situation, but in the movie Ghandi made no mention of the black South Africans, who of course suffered far worse than did the Indians in South Africa.
I'm gettig confused.
Brooklyn Girl
Have another drink dear.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall
An excellent idea. Perhaps my typing will improve, too.
Guy's got a documentary about him coming out...could be a hot one!
No kidding! He's 93 now, IIRC...
Cliff Schecter site:
http://
cliffschecter.blogspot.co...basketball.html
Moe, and this is surprising, how?
.
Speaking of Irwin Corey, whatever happened to Brother Theodore? I can't find anything in Google.
i'm currently reading Freedom At Midnight: The Epic Drama of India's Struggle For Independence by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre
Ghandi I think was heartbroken when India got partitioned
At Pynchon's request!
dave™© | Homepage | 08.19.07 - 1:44 pm | #
That is so cool. My admiration for Pynchon continues to grow...ever since he wrote the liner notes for that Spike Jones reissue, I figured this is a guy after my own heart.
Then I found out he was a Roky Erickson fan...and it was love forever.
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 08.19.07 - 1:43 pm | #
I'll try not to hold that against him.
Not surprising, just interesting. I'm sure Ghandi went through a period of moral development (his whol life?), but it would have been nice to see that portrayed more directly.
"Professor Irwin Corey? Or Thomas Pynchon?"
Ghandi - this is in response to a comment asking what were Ghandi's credentials to be a leader of a mass movement.
While I admit there is no certification for being a leader of a mass movement, Ghandi started out as well equipped as anyone.
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all. This is how to wage war on terrorism, all out war.
...whatever happened to Brother Theodore?
IIRC, he passed away a couple of years ago.
I came across an ancient LP of his in my parents' old record collection a few years ago. Not sure where it is now...
Ghandi - this is in response to a comment asking what were Ghandi's credentials to be a leader of a mass movement.
While I admit there is no certification for being a leader of a mass movement, Ghandi started out as well equipped as anyone.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I sincerely hope you didn't think I was serious ...
BTW, Bob Farley's pretty pissed at this post.
Funny how they circle the wagons...
Making electricity to make snow and not make more CO2
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all.
Well, this morning's AP told me the US is "tracking" 50 Iranian bad, bad dudes inside Iraq. So, er, how come they can track 'em but not, ya know, catch 'em?
This is how to wage war on terrorism, all out war.
Where you posting from soldier?
"Fort Undermommysbed"???
Never heard of it...
I came across an ancient LP of his in my parents' old record collection a few years ago. Not sure where it is now...
dave™© | Homepage | 08.19.07 - 1:51 pm | #
I saw Brother Theodore at a college gig. He opened for Phil Ochs, of all people.
God, he was hysterical. Billy Crystal loved him...had him in some HBO special, IIRC.
"in the movie Ghandi made no mention of the black South Africans,"
I didn't see all of it but I thought they did but very indirectly.
Not surprising at all - as that was not the topic of the movie. it might have been nice to see a bit more but it is after all a movie - not a documentary.
Making electricity to make snow and not make more CO2
Moonbootica
Ah, but people will go skiing, and drive to get to the slopes, so they are in fact, indirectly, making more CO2.
Well, this morning's AP told me the US is "tracking" 50 Iranian bad, bad dudes inside Iraq. So, er, how come they can track 'em but not, ya know, catch 'em?
Moe Szyslak
Not to mention the bearded, over-six-foot dude lugging around a dialysis machine.
Yeah, Brother Theodore is dead.
Rock Erickson is very much alive.
Well, this morning's AP told me the US is "tracking" 50 Iranian bad, bad dudes inside Iraq. So, er, how come they can track 'em but not, ya know, catch 'em?
And how many Saudis are we tracking?
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all.
This won't sit well with our Shia allies in Iraq. Who did you learn foreign policy from? Voldemort?
And how many Saudis are we tracking?
spinoza
Go stand in the corner.
"I sincerely hope you didn't think I was serious ..."
Um...
yeah I did as I often get lost in threads.
pardon me and my silly literal mindedness. it causes me to step in the shit all the time here. 
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all.
I'm eagerly awaiting seeing Kit Bond go over personally with his M-16 and wipe them out.