Why can't we ask experts about their history of accurate predictions?
RepubAnon |
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08.19.07 - 12:57 pm | #
God forbid we rabble have a say in decisions that often send our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors into war.
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08.19.07 - 12:57 pm | #
There are other places to hang out, dontcha know.
ignoreland |
08.19.07 - 1:04 pm | #
Hey Cookie,
There are other places to hang out, dontcha know.
ignoreland
Can't I have a contrary opinion and still hang out here?
Cookie Guggleman |
08.19.07 - 1:06 pm | #
Heh. You know, I'll bet that writer was realy proud of using "clerisy". Read it over two or three times just to see how pretty it sounded. Heh.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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08.19.07 - 1:07 pm | #
Does my butt look fat with this tie-dye?
I did camo tyedye yesterday. You can't see my butt.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.19.07 - 1:07 pm | #
Absolutely. But when a thread comes up that I have no thoughts on, I just go elsewhere. Just sayin.
ignoreland |
08.19.07 - 1:09 pm | #
This post was very complex and boring. I'd rather focus on John Edwards's latest haircut and Al Gore's weight.
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
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08.19.07 - 1:11 pm | #
Heh. You know, I'll bet that writer was realy proud of using "clerisy". Read it over two or three times just to see how pretty it sounded. Heh.
Clerisy is like leprosy without a cure. There are clerisy colonies. A few are the AEI and the Cato Institute.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.19.07 - 1:12 pm | #
I did camo tyedye yesterday. You can't see my butt.
I was thinking about you when I saw the original tie-dye post.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.19.07 - 1:12 pm | #
Absolutely. But when a thread comes up that I have no thoughts on, I just go elsewhere. Just sayin.
ignoreland
I had a thought, guess it just wasn't welcomed. Time for a fresh turn of phrase, that's all I'm sayin'.
Cookie Guggleman |
08.19.07 - 1:13 pm | #
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
liberal
Noam Chomsky thinks my auto mechanic should be able to teach linguistics at the graduate level?
V for Virginia |
08.19.07 - 1:13 pm | #
Cookie,
We know you're not a troll.
Some phrases but me sometimes.
It's all good.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.19.07 - 1:14 pm | #
We would be tye-dying right now, except the dammed rain is preventing it.
I could go can some more tomatos, but that may wait until tommorrow.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.19.07 - 1:14 pm | #
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
I doubt he said that. Having an engineering degree or a residency in neurosurgery has some value. And there are some great intellectual achievements by both.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.19.07 - 1:14 pm | #
Wasn't Drezner on some Chimpy furrin policy advisory committee?
P O'Neill |
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08.19.07 - 1:14 pm | #
I hate patchouli.
NTodd, FLÜGGÅƏNK∂€& |
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08.19.07 - 1:15 pm | #
I hate patchouli
Funny you can smell the patchouli & hemp soap I used in the shower earlier.
Barndog, Farmed Out |
08.19.07 - 1:16 pm | #
Drezner sez he's "libertarian Republican." No such thing.
The Papers show that there was no concern in the decisionmaking process for the impact of our actions upon the Vietnamese people. American objectives were always to preserve the power and prestige of this country. In the light of the devastation we have brought to that unhappy land, it is hard to believe that any consideration was given to the costs of our policies that would be borne by the very people we claimed to be helping.
But I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back.
Ahh, bloody hell. Why would anyone talk about you behind your back? You're charming.
I look at it like this this: they can say whatever the fuck they want about me behind my back. I laugh, though, at those who come in here with tough talk and then get all weak and needy for support when others call them on their bullshit.
Vicki, Who ♥ patchouli |
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08.19.07 - 1:24 pm | #
Arabella, we do talk about you - but privately on the 'secret Haloscan'.
ignoreland |
08.19.07 - 1:24 pm | #
Does my butt look fat with this tie-dye?
Baby, it looks just right!
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08.19.07 - 1:24 pm | #
So I play this online strategic conquest game, and the amazing thing is how many people I come into contact with who have endured wars launched by the US and Israel. Been chatting with a 15yo Serb who remembers being terrified during Clinton's war, and have also been talking to a few kids (HS and college) in Beirut.
On the Sunday shows this morning, Karl Rove was treated largely with kid gloves by the hosts and was not forced to confront many difficult questions about his ethical improprieties while serving in the White House.
In three Sunday show appearances, he was not asked once about his efforts to politicize the federal government, despite the fact that a front-page article appeared on that very subject this morning in the Washington Post. Rove was also not asked about his role in selling the war prior to the invasion. Nor was he asked about his connections to Jack Abramoff, his use of non-White House email accounts, or his stewardship over the Katrina reconstruction efforts.
I lurk to see if people are talking about me behind my back.
The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about...
dave1021 |
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08.19.07 - 1:25 pm | #
I fucking HATE cilantro in anything.
[Gag. Choke. Puke.]
Vicki, Who ♥ patchouli |
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08.19.07 - 1:25 pm | #
When I have nothing to say my lips are sealed
Say something once why say it again
Psycho killer, qu'est que c'est
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa
SteveLG |
08.19.07 - 1:25 pm | #
I can't watch teevee when Haloscan is on Sunday morning.
RJRoss, undoubtedly wiretapped |
08.19.07 - 1:26 pm | #
Afternoon, rational people.
I have come to reassess my concept of experts and expertise. I now require proof of past success.
As a result, I have no objection to Atrios hammering on this subject, but I can also see Cookie's point.
There is such a thing as preaching to the choir.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.19.07 - 1:26 pm | #
All day. I thought you were making some kind of opaque statement about the duality of Man.
NTodd, FLÜGGÅƏNK∂€& |
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08.19.07 - 1:27 pm | #
Choirs often practice to sound good...
Nice segue into the importance of being earnest...and more importantly, persistent.
Vicki, Who ♥ patchouli |
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08.19.07 - 1:28 pm | #
"you're cool to me"
awww thanks for the smile.
part it's my joke that whenever people talk about music or movies I don't know anything they're talking about.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:28 pm | #
Although there were a number of odd things about Ignatieff's piece in the MYT magazine, the strangest was his assertion that people in the academic community can play with ideas without consequence. Economists, scientists, engineers, medical researchers, and others would all find that assertion bizarre. What is true is that you can do so in the Foreign policy arena (provided that you are only concerned about your own professional career).
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit. To identify who is right an who is wrong. It may take years to do so but if a problem cannot be solved there is little value in addressing it. In general those individuals that are on the right side of any debate end up setting the stage for future work in that field. Again this may take time but it is necessary . You can't expand intellectual inquiry on idiocy.
The "serious foreign policy establishment" has replaced any effort to seek knowledge with the ability to parrot particular statements. So long as one is connected and can parrot the correct statements they are considered "serious." Its an unsustainable and dangerous state of affairs. Reality tends to intrude in rather impolite and brutal ways.
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08.19.07 - 1:29 pm | #
Nice segue into the importance of being earnest...and more importantly, persistent.
I fucking HATE cilantro in anything.
[Gag. Choke. Puke.]
Vicki, Who
For a pot luck supper here I made breaded turkey cutlets, with nutmeg in the breading. A neighbor was raving how much she loved them. When I told her it was turkey, she said, nope that's impossible, I hate turkey. Then she wanted to know what gave the breading that special taste. When I told her nutmeg, she again told me she despised, absolutely despised nutmeg. Heh.
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08.19.07 - 1:30 pm | #
Climate change campaigners clashed with riot police as they descended on the BAA offices at Heathrow this afternoon to protest against plans for a third runway at one of Europe's busiest airports.
By 5pm, four people had been arrested and at least five were injured.
Skirmishes broke out shortly after noon as protesters from the Camp for Climate Action at Heathrow began their 24 hours of direct action.
Officers, assisted by mounted police, flooded into the area through residential streets between the camp site and BAA's headquarters to restore order.
Armed with batons and plastic shields, police sought to herd protesters into a nearby car park as they arrived at the airport operators' headquarters near Heathrow airport.
Some of the campaigners resisted police attempts to keep them away from the company building and sat down, refusing to move.
the strangest was his assertion that people in the academic community can play with ideas without consequence
I learned years ago to be careful of what I say on a Vogon ship.
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08.19.07 - 1:32 pm | #
Read that as "Sex Rabbit" scrolling down quickly.
Why, that's not right, I thought...
Jessica's not bad. She's just drawn that way.
NTodd, FLÜGGÅƏNK∂€& |
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08.19.07 - 1:33 pm | #
Um - we do know that these 'very serious people' are actually pretty damned stupid, right? I mean actually slow? Deficient? Not bright? C-/D+ level?
'Cause I'm here to tell you, that's what they are. Thick. Pretentious, sure, but really, really dull.
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GWPDA, yclept Roving Historian |
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08.19.07 - 1:33 pm | #
I believe in being serious, not earnest.
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere |
08.19.07 - 1:33 pm | #
I learned years ago to be careful of what I say on a Vogon ship.
In contrast, the Vorlons don't seem to enjoy poetry.
NTodd, FLÜGGÅƏNK∂€& |
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08.19.07 - 1:34 pm | #
I wasn't going to say anything but I thought the same.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:34 pm | #
Auntie GWPDA, I think you're being quite charitable in your descriptions.
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere |
08.19.07 - 1:34 pm | #
Two guests are still missing after fire destroyed a seafront hotel in Cornwall, killing one man and injuring others.
The burnt-out ruins of the Penhallow Hotel in Newquay are still being secured for experts to begin searching for bodies - probably on Tuesday, Sky News has learnt.
Hoteliers and fire union officials have attacked cuts in the local fire service.
A couple who run the hotel next door to the Penhallow told Sky News that they blamed a lack of fire fighting resources for the loss of life.
Dan Drezner's a true wonk, he's with the clerisy;
To question him's a sin, it's outright heresy.
He won't abide those stinking of patchouli:
They may be right, but they're much too unruly.
Fly-fornication Moscowitz |
08.19.07 - 1:34 pm | #
"I believe in being serious, not earnest."
I thought it was important to be earnest.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:35 pm | #
I have always believed in the Importance of Being Earnest. And Frank.
GWPDA, yclept Roving Historian |
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08.19.07 - 1:35 pm | #
Uncle Blodge, Oscar Wilde might have something to say about that
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere |
08.19.07 - 1:36 pm | #
yanno, it occurs to me that what we need is a program for the VA that deals with the shell-schocked vets coming in for treatment that lets them write poetry on what war is really like, distended guts and maggots and all.
Then we ought to help them set up their own blog to publish it.
(The above was wa-a-a-ay off topic, for which I apologize.)
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.19.07 - 1:36 pm | #
"Oscar Wilde might have something to say about that"
perhaps - but I prefer being Ernie.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:37 pm | #
Auntie GWPDA, I think you're being quite charitable in your descriptions.
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere
I did not wish to offend the genuinely slow by having them confused with these pretentious, thick, twits. Listening to these people reminds me of the kinds of hangers-on found amongst the Mosely set.
GWPDA, yclept Roving Historian |
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08.19.07 - 1:38 pm | #
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit.
I roughly agree. Or don't. Evolutionary psychology has become some sort of astrology for dead wood psychologists. These fields can do damage before they are finally put down. Eugenics, intelligence testing, etc. The Bell Curve and NCLB are children of the idea of you can measure intelligence. SJ Gould trashed this idea thoroughly. And yet he is dead, Bush the Yale cheerleader champions education, and nobody except a few (e.g., Kozol) recognize the truth.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.19.07 - 1:38 pm | #
Diane, but it is a valuable and timely suggestion.
Besides, who stays on topic here, anyway? When I arrived, the theme was Jessica Rabbit
Matt Wrack, general secretary of the Fire Brigades' Union, said: "We know that the only two aerial appliances in Cornwall were out of action and an appliance had to come 50 miles from Devon.
unfuckingbelieable, they had 2 fire engines in for repair during the busiest holiday season
what sort of brainfart thought it be a good fucking idea to have 2 fire engine in for repairs at the same fucking time
Moonbootica, Graduate |
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08.19.07 - 1:38 pm | #
Noam Chomsky once pointed out that fields in which credentials are important tend to be those fields which have no intellectual depth.
liberal | 08.19.07 - 1:11 pm | #
Great point. What exactly were Ghandis credentials? And Buddha? The most critical inquiry for humanity is in exploring the nature of our relationship to each other and our environment. Real insight into this inquiry is most frequently provided by the poorly credentialed.
The credentialed then build careers studying and interpreting what they have said.
Shared Humanity |
08.19.07 - 1:39 pm | #
I've got an "in" at that store...
Literally and figuratively!
Vicki, Who ♥ patchouli |
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08.19.07 - 1:39 pm | #
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit.
That's like saying one can prove anything mathematically. Which is utterly absurd.
I'm proud to be a dirty fucking hippie
DFH is what I'm truly pleased to be
I have no use for Carville, Rove or Trippi
And they don't lose much sleep over me.
SteveLG |
08.19.07 - 1:40 pm | #
Thanks, Sallyh.
It's just that I've been reading Wilfred Owen, and this whole nobility of war bullcrap sickens me.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.19.07 - 1:40 pm | #
Diane, I think Clemenceau might suit you better...
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere |
08.19.07 - 1:40 pm | #
Professor Irwin Corey:
The World's Foremost Authority!!!!
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 1:41 pm | #
"what sort of brainfart thought it be a good fucking idea to have 2 fire engine in for repairs at the same fucking time"
depends - was this maintenance that could be rescheduled or was it something that needed fixing right away?
still - they should have prepared for being down those units.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:41 pm | #
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner has arrived in the Iraqi capital Baghdad for a visit at the invitation of the country's president.
The trip marks the first time a French minister has been to Iraq since it opposed the US-led invasion in 2003.
The election in May of Nicolas Sarkozy as French president brought an improvement in relations with the US.
The French Foreign Ministry said Mr Kouchner was in the country to express a "message of solidarity".
The ministry said in a statement: "At the invitation of Mr Jalal Talabani, president of Iraq, the foreign minister has just begun an official visit to Baghdad.
...and a founding member of the Komedy Klerisy.
SteveLG |
08.19.07 - 1:42 pm | #
In all fields of valid intellectual inquiry there are ways of figuring out whether ideas have merit.
Hogwash......
It is not the idea but the question that has merit. It is not the answer but the inquiry that gives meaning to our lives. The most dangerous people in the world are those who live a life of certitude.
Shared Humanity |
08.19.07 - 1:43 pm | #
depends - was this maintenance that could be rescheduled or was it something that needed fixing right away?
still - they should have prepared for being down those units.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 08.19.07 - 1:41 pm | #
I don't know
nevertheless but having both in at the same time is poor fucking planning, especially during a holiday season
Moonbootica, Graduate |
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08.19.07 - 1:43 pm | #
"What exactly were Ghandis credentials?"
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:43 pm | #
"I've got an "in" at that store..."
Literally and figuratively!
For some reason, I was not informed August is Anal Sex Month.
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
And he served during the Boer Wars.
NTodd, FLÜGGÅƏNK∂€& |
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08.19.07 - 1:45 pm | #
BAGHDAD, 19 August 2007 (IRIN) - Youssef Obeidi, 32, last week left Karada Hospital’s family planning clinic with news that he will not be able to have children unless he undergoes lengthy treatment to reverse his sterility. Doctors told him that in war conditions, there is a higher chance men can become sterile.
“For three years I have been blaming my wife because she couldn’t get pregnant. But after a long examination in this clinic, a doctor said that she was fine and in perfect condition to become a mother. For this reason, I had to have myself checked,” Obeidi said.
“Initially I refused because in our Arab society it is a disgrace for any man to be sterile. But later my desire to become a father overcame this and I went to the clinic, where I learnt that I couldn’t become a father because the low speed of my sperms cannot fertilize an ovule,” he added.
According to Dr Muhammad Bashier, manager of the family planning clinic in Karada Hospital, Baghdad, the number of sterile men in Iraq has increased dramatically over the past four years as a result of stress, depression and exposure to radiation and possibly chemicals.
Have another drink dear.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.19.07 - 1:47 pm | #
The official website of Professor Irwin Corey, the World's Foremost Authority: http://www.irwincorey.org/
Relevant quote: "I'd rather be a son of a bitch than a son of a BUSH."
Guy's got a documentary about him coming out...could be a hot one!
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08.19.07 - 1:47 pm | #
I found the South African scenes in the movie "Ghandi" interesting. I have no idea if they reflected the reality of the situation, but in the movie Ghandi made no mention of the black South Africans, who of course suffered far worse than did the Indians in South Africa.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.19.07 - 1:47 pm | #
I'm gettig confused.
Brooklyn Girl
Have another drink dear.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall
An excellent idea. Perhaps my typing will improve, too.
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 1:48 pm | #
Guy's got a documentary about him coming out...could be a hot one!
That is so cool. My admiration for Pynchon continues to grow...ever since he wrote the liner notes for that Spike Jones reissue, I figured this is a guy after my own heart.
Then I found out he was a Roky Erickson fan...and it was love forever.
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 1:50 pm | #
He was a lawyer who'd worked for civil rights in South Africa.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 08.19.07 - 1:43 pm | #
I'll try not to hold that against him.
Shared Humanity |
08.19.07 - 1:50 pm | #
Not surprising, just interesting. I'm sure Ghandi went through a period of moral development (his whol life?), but it would have been nice to see that portrayed more directly.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.19.07 - 1:50 pm | #
"Professor Irwin Corey? Or Thomas Pynchon?"
Ghandi - this is in response to a comment asking what were Ghandi's credentials to be a leader of a mass movement.
While I admit there is no certification for being a leader of a mass movement, Ghandi started out as well equipped as anyone.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:51 pm | #
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all. This is how to wage war on terrorism, all out war.
Big Fitz |
08.19.07 - 1:51 pm | #
Ghandi - this is in response to a comment asking what were Ghandi's credentials to be a leader of a mass movement.
While I admit there is no certification for being a leader of a mass movement, Ghandi started out as well equipped as anyone.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I sincerely hope you didn't think I was serious ...
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 1:52 pm | #
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all.
Well, this morning's AP told me the US is "tracking" 50 Iranian bad, bad dudes inside Iraq. So, er, how come they can track 'em but not, ya know, catch 'em?
Moe Szyslak |
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08.19.07 - 1:52 pm | #
This is how to wage war on terrorism, all out war.
I saw Brother Theodore at a college gig. He opened for Phil Ochs, of all people.
God, he was hysterical. Billy Crystal loved him...had him in some HBO special, IIRC.
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 1:53 pm | #
"in the movie Ghandi made no mention of the black South Africans,"
I didn't see all of it but I thought they did but very indirectly.
Not surprising at all - as that was not the topic of the movie. it might have been nice to see a bit more but it is after all a movie - not a documentary.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:53 pm | #
Making electricity to make snow and not make more CO2
Moonbootica
Ah, but people will go skiing, and drive to get to the slopes, so they are in fact, indirectly, making more CO2.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.19.07 - 1:53 pm | #
Well, this morning's AP told me the US is "tracking" 50 Iranian bad, bad dudes inside Iraq. So, er, how come they can track 'em but not, ya know, catch 'em?
Moe Szyslak
Not to mention the bearded, over-six-foot dude lugging around a dialysis machine.
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Yeah, Brother Theodore is dead.
Rock Erickson is very much alive.
Karatist Preacher |
08.19.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Well, this morning's AP told me the US is "tracking" 50 Iranian bad, bad dudes inside Iraq. So, er, how come they can track 'em but not, ya know, catch 'em?
And how many Saudis are we tracking?
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.19.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all.
This won't sit well with our Shia allies in Iraq. Who did you learn foreign policy from? Voldemort?
George Johnston |
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08.19.07 - 1:55 pm | #
And how many Saudis are we tracking?
spinoza
Go stand in the corner.
Moe Szyslak |
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08.19.07 - 1:55 pm | #
"I sincerely hope you didn't think I was serious ..."
Um...
yeah I did as I often get lost in threads.
pardon me and my silly literal mindedness. it causes me to step in the shit all the time here.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 1:55 pm | #
Senator Kit Bond said on Wolf Blitzer that if there are any Iranians in Iraq we will find them and kill them all.
I'm eagerly awaiting seeing Kit Bond go over personally with his M-16 and wipe them out.
sister of ye |
08.19.07 - 1:55 pm | #
Scarlatti got a sonata out of that. My mother played it beautifully.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall | 08.19.07 - 1:57 pm | #
My cat has penned some awesome jazz over the past year, often in the middle of the night.
Shared Humanity |
08.19.07 - 1:58 pm | #
And if he can't venture out of the Green Zone, who's he gonna shoot?
pie
No problem, any corpse that looks Arab is counted as an Al Qaeda terrorist.
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08.19.07 - 1:58 pm | #
Scarlatti got a sonata out of that. My mother played it beautifully.
spinoza
He's a handful - I don't think I'd be a good parent.
Karatist Preacher |
08.19.07 - 1:59 pm | #
If I can't have a nap on Sunday, what have I been fighting for?
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GWPDA, yclept Roving Historian |
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08.19.07 - 1:59 pm | #
Ticking of the clock
Moonbootica, Graduate | Homepage | 08.19.07 - 1:58 pm | #
Maybe the French will replace them.
Shared Humanity |
08.19.07 - 1:59 pm | #
I loved Irwin Corey as a kid... used to see him on the Andy Williams Show and (IIRC) Ray Stevens' summer show. And, when my parents would let me stay up late, the Tonight Show.
Thank you for finding that. Now I'll have to watch the rest of them.
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 2:03 pm | #
IIRC, I saw Irwin Corey on the Mike Douglas Show. Which is also where I saw Little Richard, Mama Cass Elliott and John Lennon and Yoko Ono. For a white bread kinda guy, he had some good guests on.
sister of ye |
08.19.07 - 2:03 pm | #
To announce the '75 tour, they were supposed to have a press conference at a restaurant in the Village. The rock press, including me, shows up and instead Irwin Corey is babbling.
Then the Stones pulled up outside on a flat bed truck and did "Brown Sugar."
What a great morning that was....
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 2:03 pm | #
Yeah, he had a residency there for years. I think I went once when I lived in the nabe....
steve simels
On Fifth around 9th Street?
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 2:05 pm | #
I'm sure you've all seen it, but I just read this at TPM.
Wow. Those soldiers are extremely courageous to write this op-ed while still on active duty.
Wonder what will happen to them.
pie |
08.19.07 - 2:05 pm | #
On Fifth around 9th Street?
Brooklyn Girl | 08.19.07 - 2:05 pm | #
Yup. I think it's still there, actually, although I don't remember the name.
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 2:06 pm | #
WaPo via MSNBC
The Defense Intelligence Agency is preparing to pay private contractors up to $1 billion to conduct core intelligence tasks of analysis and collection over the next five years, an amount that would set a record in the outsourcing of such functions by the Pentagon's top spying agency.
The proposed contracts, outlined in a recent early notice of the DIA's plans, reflect a continuing expansion of the Defense Department's intelligence-related work and fit a well-established pattern of Bush administration transfers of government work to private contractors http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20339771/
Hey, what could go wrong? We have too much accountability as it is.
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08.19.07 - 2:07 pm | #
Delta had me on a 2:05 (Central) flight out of here to Atlanta. It is delayed an hour. So, instead of just moving me to a later flight tonight, they moved me to a departure TOMORROW.
Oh, hold on, the travel agent is calling me back now ...
Sinfonian, temporary Hoosier |
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08.19.07 - 2:08 pm | #
And how many American neo-nazis and White Power types?
How may explosions killing civilians are by americans? Negroponte refined the technique in central america.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall |
08.19.07 - 2:08 pm | #
Yup. I think it's still there, actually, although I don't remember the name.
steve simels
I remember that day. What a trip. Lucky sumbitch, you is.
The restaurant has gone through several changes since then ... now it's one of those places that looks so effete, nobody goes there.
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 2:09 pm | #
I found the South African scenes in the movie "Ghandi" interesting. I have no idea if they reflected the reality of the situation, but in the movie Ghandi made no mention of the black South Africans, who of course suffered far worse than did the Indians in South Africa.
That was not his purpose at the time, and he hadn't fully formulated satyagraha or the notions that societies must forgo things like Untouchability. He joined the Indian Congress, not a South African Congress, to fight unfair pass laws and other such things designed to control Indian workers.
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08.19.07 - 2:09 pm | #
Okay, now they've got me in Atlanta for three fucking hours (no offense, dirk, if you're here), but at least I get home tonight.
I'd better go get ready. Catch you patriotz laterz.
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08.19.07 - 2:11 pm | #
The Defense Intelligence Agency is preparing to pay private contractors up to $1 billion to conduct core intelligence tasks of analysis and collection over the next five years
Only companies whose name starts with Choice and end with Point need apply?
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08.19.07 - 2:12 pm | #
Staffing levels at Britain's fire stations are under scrutiny after it emerged that fire crews in Newquay were able to despatch only one of their two pumps to a massive hotel blaze that killed at least one guest.
Manpower shortages meant there were not enough firefighters on call in the area to man the second pump, which requires a crew of five, the local Fire Brigade Union (FBU) said. 'Only one pump was available due to a lack of staff,' said Mike Tremellan, an official with the FBU in Cornwall. 'Quite often we can't make appliances available because we don't have enough staff, but people are unaware of this. When you look at the pictures of the fire it is clear firefighters would have wanted every appliance available.'
From the article: "In the course of writing this article ... one of us, Staff Sergeant Murphy, an Army Ranger and reconnaissance team leader, was shot in the head during a 'time-sensitive target acquisition mission' on Aug. 12; he is expected to survive and is being flown to a military hospital in the United States.)"
pie |
08.19.07 - 2:16 pm | #
I remember that day. What a trip. Lucky sumbitch, you is.
Very good audio of that performance was broadcast on WNEW-FM at some point...It was up on Napster back in the day.
As was a great tape of Keith Richards playing "Let It Rock" with Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe (Rockpile) at the Bottom Line the night after Keith beat the heroin rap in Canada. Which I also saw....
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 2:16 pm | #
Gee, remember yesterday when someone was upset about Rove and Hatch Act violations and I explained that nothing would be done? Confirmation.
See, for the most part, we're talking about civil Hatch Act violations. And the punishment for civil Hatch Act violations? To be fired from your job. Shall we review the names of those most involved in leading this process?
* Karl Rove
* Sara Taylor
* Scott Jennings
* Barry Jackson
* Ken Mehlman
* Susan Ralston
Rove, Taylor, Mehlman, and Ralston are gone, and Jackson is rumored to be leaving. Add in Monica Goodling, who only admitted to her massive Hatch Act violations after she resigned. So how are you going to hold the White House responsible for its massive Hatch Act violations, if the people involved have already mooted the only punishment available?
Joe Klein said the troops' piece "puts to shame -- and shame is the appropriate word -- all the Kristol, McCain, Lieberman, Pollack and O'Hanlon etc etc cheerleading of the past two months." I think that's exactly right.
Say wha???
Joke Line?
I think Hell just froze over.
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:17 pm | #
I think Hell just froze over.
If not frozen, at least it's getting chilly.
pie |
08.19.07 - 2:18 pm | #
How may explosions killing civilians are by americans? Negroponte refined the technique in central america.
spinoza, FirstAgainstTheWall
Half the number that have been perpetrated on US soil by Arabs?
Just pointing out that if they're really, truly concerned about "terror," there are lots of suspects right here in the good ol' USA who are calling for REHOWA.
V for Virginia |
08.19.07 - 2:19 pm | #
If not frozen, at least it's getting chilly.
pie
True.
simels is here, I wonder what he thinks about that?
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:21 pm | #
In one of Beirut's trendier bars, four European photographers relax over cold beers. Their presence is alarming Ghassan, the barman. 'Why are there so many journalists in Beirut right now?' he asks me. "Has there been some change in 'The Situation?"'
The Lebanese can be forgiven for seeing a new slew of foreign press as a harbinger of doom, for the year since last summer's war between Hizbollah and Israel has seen crisis after crisis pummel this tiny, fractious nation with the bad luck to exist in a very tough neighbourhood.
Mitchell Prothero in Beirut
Sunday August 19, 2007
The Observer
In one of Beirut's trendier bars, four European photographers relax over cold beers. Their presence is alarming Ghassan, the barman. 'Why are there so many journalists in Beirut right now?' he asks me. "Has there been some change in 'The Situation?"'
The Lebanese can be forgiven for seeing a new slew of foreign press as a harbinger of doom, for the year since last summer's war between Hizbollah and Israel has seen crisis after crisis pummel this tiny, fractious nation with the bad luck to exist in a very tough neighbourhood.
Article continues
The Situation, 'al-Wada' in Arabic, crops up in conversation a lot these days - a phrase that summarises the past 30 years since Beirut went from being the 'Paris of the Middle East' to a playground for every troublemaking faction in the region.
Lebanon's uncertain future is held hostage by three major crises: political stalemate between Hizbollah and the government; military crisis over the presence of Hizbollah near Israel's northern border, and the arrival of Sunni militants escaping the Iraq war to set up shop in Lebanon. For a nation as fragile as Lebanon, facing all three problems at once is untenable.
As was a great tape of Keith Richards playing "Let It Rock" with Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe (Rockpile) at the Bottom Line the night after Keith beat the heroin rap in Canada. Which I also saw....
steve simels
isn't that lovely, another consequence of the Iraq war is sunni fightings moving into the Lebanon
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08.19.07 - 2:23 pm | #
Joe Klein said the troops' piece "puts to shame -- and shame is the appropriate word -- all the Kristol, McCain, Lieberman, Pollack and O'Hanlon etc etc cheerleading of the past two months." I think that's exactly right.
Say wha???
Joke Line?
I think Hell just froze over.
billy b - p funk
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 2:26 pm | #
Huh?
steve simels
See my post @ 2:17 for a quote from Joke Line that's hard to believe...
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:26 pm | #
It is a world characterised by doping and extortion, by stressed performers under extreme pressure to reach beyond what is humanly possible in order to satisfy hungry sponsors' needs.
The disgraced world of cycling? No, this is a description of the stately world of opera, which is increasingly becoming the domain of drug and alcohol abusers, according to a top-class tenor.
Endrik Wottrich, a popular fixture at the annual Bayreuth festival in Germany, has revealed opera singers are turning to drugs and other stimulants to cope with the pressure from the increasing commercial demands on them. 'No one talks about it, but doping has long been the norm in the music world,' he said in an interview with music critic Axel Bruggemann in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. 'Soloists are taking betablockers in an attempt to control their angst, some tenors take cortisone to ensure their voices reach a high pitch, and alcohol is standard practice.'
QL, or somebody, help! I'm making a very long pillow cover out of some tapestry-like upholstery fabric. It has that latex or whatever backing on it. I used heavy-duty stitch-wichery tape and it wouldn't stick. Is that maybe because the moisture from the press cloth couldn't penetrate the backing?
I'm very frustrated with this. It's too thick to hand sew, I have one old portable kenmore machine that I can't fix and another truly ancient Webster cabinet machine that I've never used and can't figure out where to put the thread spool, much less thread the thing.
I'm about to burn this beautiful fabric.
nuncamas |
08.19.07 - 2:27 pm | #
Of course, Joe Klein can still go fuck himself.
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 2:27 pm | #
I think Hell just froze over.
billy b - p funk
Brooklyn Girl | 08.19.07 - 2:26 pm | #
Wow.
Of course, this can only be good for Republicans...
steve simels |
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08.19.07 - 2:29 pm | #
Shit, the guys that wrote the editorial are in the 82nd.
I just saw a documentary on the 82nd, the All Aamerican division.
Storied group, that.
If these dyed in the wool patriots are willing to do this, it is a good sign that the military (at least the folks on the ground) are getting fed up.
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:30 pm | #
Of course, this can only be good for Republicans...
More proof that the Surge is undoubtedly working.
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:32 pm | #
I just killed the damn thread. (not the sewing thread yet).
"If these dyed in the wool patriots are willing to do this, it is a good sign that the military (at least the folks on the ground) are getting fed up."
I hope people keep calling them patriots - because they are truly an example of what the word should mean.
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08.19.07 - 2:33 pm | #
If these dyed in the wool patriots are willing to do this, it is a good sign that the military (at least the folks on the ground) are getting fed up.
billy b - p funk
Problem is, what can they do about it?
What bothers me as much as anything that is going on these days is the feeling of complete and utter powerlessness. I've never felt that before ... not even during the Nixon years.
Brooklyn Girl |
08.19.07 - 2:34 pm | #
bye for now, the Proms is about to start on BBC4, a rather good programme tonight
Shostakovich
Symphony No. 10 in E minor (45 mins)
Interval
Bernstein West Side Story - Symphonic Dances (22 mins)
Latin American works including music by Revueltas and Ginastera
Simón Bolivar Youth Orchestra of Venezuela Gustavo Dudamelconductor
I hope people keep calling them patriots - because they are truly an example of what the word should mean.
Yes sir.
I wouldn't have thought to use the word if I hadn't seen the documentary on the 82nd Airborne earlier in the day. The real deal.
A guy that grew up across the street from me was in the 82nd when the division was sent into Santo Domingo in the early 60's.
When he got out he gave me a set of his fztigues (I was 10 at the time).
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:36 pm | #
I'm about to burn this beautiful fabric.
nuncamas
No practical help as I only use cotton.
However, I just had to put aside a project that has had me stymied for a month. To the point where I was going to throw it out. Instead, I'll wait a few weeks and go back to it. I advise you do the same with this project and think a bit before you go any further.
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08.19.07 - 2:37 pm | #
"Yes sir."
No need to call me sir - i work for a living.
well, not in the summer...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 2:38 pm | #
No need to call me sir - i work for a living.
well, not in the summer...
I'm probably as old or older than you Unc.
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:40 pm | #
"I'm probably as old or older than you Unc."
if you were 10 in the 60s you are - I hit that mark very late in 1969.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 2:42 pm | #
Thank you, QL. I'm going to try the stitch-witch again, but wet the faces of the fabric first. If this doesn't work I'll lay it aside for a while.
nuncamas |
08.19.07 - 2:47 pm | #
if you were 10 in the 60s you are - I hit that mark very late in 1969.
I hit the mark in 1966.
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 2:49 pm | #
"I hit the mark in 1966."
you win - I hope you weren't insulted in any way that was not my intent - just a poor attempt at humor.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 2:50 pm | #
you win - I hope you weren't insulted in any way that was not my intent - just a poor attempt at humor.
Hell no.
Glad to converse with someone close to my age. These 30-something smartasses around here don't respect their elders nearly enough...
"These 30-something smartasses around here don't respect their elders nearly enough..."
you remember the first time you said "these kids today" and meant it?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
08.19.07 - 2:59 pm | #
you remember the first time you said "these kids today" and meant it?
heh.
I don't, but I do tell my kids that a lot.
And I also know exactly what my parents and their comtemporaries meant...
billy b - p funk |
08.19.07 - 3:15 pm | #
V for Virginia wrote, Noam Chomsky thinks my auto mechanic should be able to teach linguistics at the graduate level?
If he or she is competent to, sure.
Notice I said credentials. I didn't say knowledge. Please don't confuse the two.
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08.19.07 - 9:21 pm | #
the most recent Harper's to land on my doorstep has an interesting (but longwinded) Lewis Lapham article about the CFR, and it made me think that the number one reason the so-called Foriegn POlicy clerisy exists in a form that has Kenneth Pollack at the left end and Max Boot at the right is because they are all representations of a variety of foriegn policy _leader_ who is still alive and for whom they carry water like the basest hack. In the case of the article, Kissinger, who Hitchens loves to remind us is a variety of war criminal--is lauded again and again at this CFR event. If the war-overlords could be discredited, then their useless minions could be silenced.
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