I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Less than 5 mil?
One
One of the poorest Senators, according to Open Secrets.
Oh for Gods sake, now where am I gonna eat?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...azeera_colorado
(the joke's keep writing themself)
Four?
The McCain caravan to get coffee has been bugging me. The vehicles
shown in the video of McCain walking out of Safeway (where the
Starbucks is located) are Suburbans. Assuming all the vehicles are
Suburbans, that average 16 mpg, that's a lot of gas for a coffee run.
It's approximately 10 miles from the McCain residence, so those nine
vehicles collectively drove 180 miles round trip. That's 11.25 gallons
of gas used @ 3.89=$43.76 for the gas to go get coffee.
Just buy an espresso maker, already. They have the staff to make the drinks.
any speculation on who will take Biden's seat? If it's his son, I will plotz
Hows about Mr. Biden?
It must be all those knobs he sucked.
Doesn't matter in the eyes of the authoritarian right he is still an elitest.
I still don't understand it and think it's kind of a slap in the face for a guy who bills himself on change to reject bringing the first woman VP into the White House with him. At the same time, he's also sinking her chance to eventually run for Pres again. It would have sent a lot better message: that the liberal coalition of minorities-- for example working class women and working class racial minorities-- is not divided, and if one is down, the other will reach over to help them up.
In my honest opinion, we should not see Hillary just as an individual because that is not simply what she is, and that is not the context. This is about the history of the whole nation, and what message we send. If Hillary is good enough (and by all measures, she was-- remember, she was the other power-slugger in the primary, as far as popularity and money-raising ability, besides Obama) then she should have been picked. Biden is by comparison a second-stringer. Arguably, the field of candidates running against her shouldn't have even demonstrated so much full-hearted competition (including from Obama) because Hillary was "next in line" out of all the people who wanted to be President.
Now Obama is leaving her stuck in the mud more or less just because of some things she said or the media said about her. The stuff about paying her debts doesn't count as sticking up for her (it's a token move, not meaningful political support), and trying to trade off the convention to get some money to pay her debts actually just makes Hillary look bad.
I like the McMansion tag.
Democratic debate dealing with issues relevant to working men and women would be asked about the infamous bankruptcy bill signed two years earlier by President George W. Bush.
This wasn't the first time Congress had passed this shameful act. Bill Clinton vetoed it twice in the 90's, so we know where he stands. The credit industry, ever relentless, kept coming back, confidant they had the number of elected officials necessary to do their bidding. They did, and Joe Biden was always one of them.
Is Biden running for his senate seat again? I think he can run for both, and if Obama and he win the White House the Del gov ges to appoint a replacement. Right?
And the case for Hillary being "next in line" was this: she had comparable popularity to Obama, and she was older and more experienced (especially having been much closer to the White House for eight years, which the media chauvinistically ignored (abetted by the bloggers) simply because she was the First Lady-- but she was an educated, invloved, insider First Lady, not just a celebrity or a mantlepiece). Skipping her for Obama possibly ruins her chance to to run and therefore leaves our long-term field of Presidential candidates with less total talent for the future.
Even I don't think that argument necessarily wins. Obama seems to have turned out to be significantly more popular. But I'm worried by what I see as signs that the Republicans wanted us to pick Obama (the corrupt mainstream media just didn't go after him hard like they went after Hillary during the primary). That support for Hillary from Rush Limbaugh? A red herring. You really think that guy is dumb enough to tell us who he actually wants us to pick? Remember, Rush Limbaugh is the guy who has been excoriating Hillary constantly-- until she became a Democratic Presidential candidate.
And, we should have had other Presidential material available. Kennedy's son, who should have been a sure-shot for us to win the Presidency a couple of times, once he was persuaded to turn to politics, was killed in a mysterious plane crash. And Eliot Spitzer was exposed in an affair, just when it looked like only Republicans were getting caught doing that (again and again) since after Bill Clinton. But, now we don't have these people, so the loss of Hillary hits harder. If John McCain squeaks by Obama, all we're going to be left with is regret over what our powerhouse ticket (Obama and Hillary) could have been like, and the cold consolation that a bunch of sleazy mainstream media writers had speculated that the White House wasn't big enough for Hill, Bill, and Obama.
A lot of things we're doing now just seem to fly in the face of what should be basic smarts, basic considerations, and standard methods of doing things for us.
I really feel like we're the geeks in high school who are getting directed to the non-existant pool on the roof by the Republicans.
Not rich? Then I'm voting for McCain, because I aspire to be as rich as him...
Guess not. He's ranked 108 ... out of 100.
108 Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del) $-302,980 $-12,491 $277,997
Beau needs an attack dog. She would never be his attack dog. Uncle Joe will do so unabashedly.
Is Biden running for his senate seat again? I think he can run for both, and if Obama and he win the White House the Del gov ges to appoint a replacement. Right?
TOW-killfile user
Right on all counts.
(the joke's keep writing themself)
Inde'd thy due.
Aw, but drinking Starbucks shows McCain is one of the people! Like normal people! Regular Joe.. because he has butlers and maids who could have given him coffee or expresso at any of his 113 different houses...
Credit where credit's due:
Biden voted against Alito.
He does have a really nice tan, though.
Not rich? Then I'm voting for McCain, because I aspire to be as rich as him...
NTodd
Now your thinking like a barefoot fundamentalist!
Ellroon, 
Not rich? Then I'm voting for McCain, because I aspire to be as rich as him...
NTodd, 198 Tees In The Woods
A vote for McCain increases my chances of marrying a beer heiress.
Just as soon as I get rid of my first wife. A McCain administration will make that easier, too!
He's 99th in wealth out of 100 Senators.
Apologies for the [repeat from downstairs] blogwhore, but over at Box Office, we debate whether or not the Marquis de Sade was a revolutionary genius or talented pervert, and while we're on the subject, what about that Pasolini guy?
Also -- the top film adaptations of literary classics evah!!
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...teve...special-
pri.php
As always, if you could leave a comment over there, I might come to your house and re-grout your bathroom.
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary? This is a serious, honest question and I wish no battles but I honestly don't know the answer or of the group is morphing into something other than what it started.
Aw, but drinking Starbucks shows McCain is one of the people! Like normal people! Regular Joe.. because he has butlers and maids who could have given him coffee or expresso at any of his 113 different houses...
ellroon Obama/Biden | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:15 pm | #
Yeah ... everybody I know takes a 9-car motorcade to buy a cup of coffee.
Except here it's called the subway.
And, we should have had other Presidential material available. Kennedy's son, who should have been a sure-shot for us to win the Presidency a couple of times, once he was persuaded to turn to politics, was killed in a mysterious plane crash.
Sorry, a stray comma seems to have slipped into this sentence somehow. I didn't mean to say that he was persuaded to go into politics and then his plane crashed, rather I meant that once he became persuaded to go into politics, he would have been a stellar candidate for us (but it never happened).
Now your thinking like a barefoot fundamentalist!
Untrue! I'm wearing socks.
As always, if you could leave a comment over there, I might come to your house and re-grout your bathroom.
steve hüssein® simels
Yes, but will you put a door on my outhouse?
Guess not. He's ranked 108 ... out of 100.
Fux Noiz Neal Cavuto was in Wilmington outside Biden's place this am talking about how he was going to get to the bottom of how much Biden's house is worth. heh.
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary?
I think they are for Republicans. I could be wrong.
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary? This is a serious, honest question and I wish no battles but I honestly don't know the answer or of the group is morphing into something other than what it started.
camelot | 08.23.08 - 1:16 pm | #
I think they think they're pro-women, and she is a symbol of their struggle against sexism.
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary? T
They would tell you there's no distinction, but PUMA is a purely Hillary-centric movement. All 78 of them.
but, but, but .... Matt Drudge said it was gonna be Bayh, he showed pictures of Obama/Bayh bumper stickers that were being printed, and everything! It was a big exclusive Drudge Scoop! Mark Halperin even picked up Drudge's Obama/Bayh story on his blog!
Developing .....
Well, I do have something that needs grouting. Hmmm.
There's a nice crowd in Springfield, IL waiting for the speeches, and 10,000 folks waiting outside in the heat, 2 hours before the event.
I trust the Brit press more than ours - slightly...
Diehard Hillary Clinton supporters who still refuse to accept that the nomination race is over have given themselves a name, Pumas, and a logo that the in-house lawyers at the Puma sportswear brand might like to take a look at. In the network of blogs where the name originated, it stood for "Party Unity, My Ass!" - a defiant shout of opposition to the notion that they should fall silent in order to speed the healing of Democratic wounds. Now that the Pumas have formed their own fundraising committee, however, they seem to have had a change of heart. According to their site, Pumapac.org, Puma stands for "People United Means Action", an exactly opposite sentiment, prompting the thought that if they don't iron out such inconsistencies in their message very soon indeed, there's a serious chance that Clinton might not be the next president.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/
...ton.barackobama
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary?
No, PUMA makes tennis shoes for men as well.
In a truly stunning development, Ron Fournier disses Obama's veep pick.
"And in your pay envelope, Ron, you'll find a more practical expression of my appreciation."
"Why, thank you, Senator McCain!"
"What it Takes", by Richard Ben Cramer, is about the 1988 primary campaigns of both parties. Good background info on all considered (exceptions of Al Gore & Jesse Jackson- which Cramer explains in preface).
A good place to get a start on knowing who Biden was. Highly recommend the book to anyone interested in politics, period.
Barry of Alaska came up with this idea for a bumpersticker:
One House, One Spouse
Obama '08
for Mrs. A. he is not rich, if you use the Gooper Mcsame standard of $5 million in income annually.
separately, the Clinton thing was NOT about the election, it was about the massive distraction of having her and bill as VP--a distraction that was more the fault of MSM than of the Clintons, but that is the reality.
Steve's link doesn't work, so I guess there's no grout for me.
Or just take their own words for it:
Our Mission Statement
Puma PAC is the VOICE OF THE VOTERS in the Democratic Party -- not of special interest groups, not of corporations, not of politicians. We are motivated by the growing distance between the party leadership and every-day, average voters. It is the divisive disdain for VOTERS, practiced by the leadership and amplified by the media and some politicians, that has brought the Democratic Party to the brink of ANOTHER GENERAL ELECTION LOSS and the irrelevancy of the Democratic Party altogether.
Puma PAC's mission is to make sure that EVERY VOTE IS COUNTED EVERY TIME, that every good Democratic candidate gets FAIR TREATMENT by the Party, and that EVERY DEMOCRATIC VOTER matters to the Party. We are the voters. It is our RESPONSIBILITY to guide the nation.
Our aim is to be the largest and most organized group of Democratic voters in American history. EVERY SINGLE Democrat in America should be a member of Puma PAC. As individual members, we work every single day taking political actions across the nation that affect our local AND national government. We are reinventing the idea that every single adult American can and should be an active CITIZEN who Participates in our democracy.
http://pumapac.org/
He does have a really nice tan, though.
Troutski
McCretaceous will *have* to select tanmaster crist now to keep up
once he became persuaded to go into politics, he would have been a stellar candidate for us (but it never happened).
Another funny thing about this guy's life is there are stories out there that make it sound like something happened to his wife that made her go kind of nuts after he married her or sometime before they died.
You hear a lot of things about her that make it sound real natural that he was impressed with her class and wanted to marry her. But there was some story about them in Rolling Stone (I think) after they died that claimed that she would get into screaming fights with him in which she would call him a "faggot" and that she would do things like make them late going places because she would change her mind three time about what color she wanted her toenails to be after the beautician had already put the nailpolish on.
McCretaceous? How about McCambrian? (a little inside geology humor)
"I'm going to see Obama and Dick Lugar in Springfield"-Mark Halperin's blog
There are numerous video clips of Obama and Biden engaged in conversation.
Ron? Isn't he that slam junkie who hangs out behind the Holiday Inn?
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary?
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They're uppity white women who didn't get their way, and now they are the enemy. Don't even argue with them, just call them rethuglican stooges and send them on their way.
1 House, 1 Spouse
Obama -- Biden
These are the sorts of facts that motivate the PUMA's:
http://
www.realclearpolitics.com...vote_count.html
type erase type erase
gotta go paint, clean
love you all
think about coming to Portland.
www.eschaconnw.blogspot.com
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary? This is a serious, honest question and I wish no battles but I honestly don't know the answer or of the group is morphing into something other than what it started.
camelot | 08.23.08 - 1:16 pm | #
I think they think they're pro-women, and she is a symbol of their struggle against sexism.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
I have to admit I'm surprised at the anger. I know of one friend who threatens to vote for McCain just to 'punish'. It just stunned me.
If they do that, they apparently have no idea that our country and our Constitution is at stake. McCain will be much worse than Bush.
how many of the Suburbans were Secret Service?
PUMA PAC, DOAN WANT.
drinking Starbucks shows McCain is one of the people!
It shows: he, his wife, and whoever they contract with for the household staff hiring are incompetent. There are decent coffee roasters in AZ, so there's no reason to buy from Starbucks. You can brew much better at home, in at least a dozen different ways.
Puma PAC is the VOICE OF THE VOTERS in the Democratic Party -- not of special interest groups, not of corporations, not of politicians.
And they support Hillary???????
I guess there's no grout for me. Ali
Don't you already have people who are like putty in your hands?
There was only 1 Suburban, with DE plates, at Biden's house.
Jeebus! I could have been first, but I took the time to read the post!
Ha!
One House, One Spouse
Obama '08
ellroon Obama/Biden
Perfecto.
the coffee run is about getting out of the house...fighter jock, itch.
Steve's link doesn't work, so I guess there's no grout for me.
Ali |
Bad link?
Let's try this again.
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...special-
pri.php
Can someone clear up for me if PUMAs are for women or just for Hillary?
They are just for Hillary because they don't speak for me. I wanted radically, rabidly, roaring pro-peace woman for president.
You can brew much better at home, in at least a dozen different ways.
Doug |
Maybe he wanted to get out of the house. Not so easy to do, though, with secret service protection.
Christ, according to that link, I think Joe needs this gig. Hell, I'm worth more than him.
More evidence Duncan doesn't read the comments on his blog.
Unless this is a shameful plug for A-blog.
In which case the question is, "Why?"
And they support Hillary???????
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
~~~~~~~~~~~~
And you support Obama?
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...630/klein/
print
http://www.nysun.com/national/ob...director/79665/
http://www.salon.com/opinion/gre...bama/
index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/
2...jYs1kTpEBrKSeBA
To quote Barry from Alaska:
One House, One Spouse - Obama/Biden 2008
the coffee run is about getting out of the house...fighter jock, itch.
But going to Starbucks?
Euck.
They are just for Hillary because they don't speak for me.
No Shit? Well I'll be damned, I didn't know that. I would have sworn you were a big fan of Hill.
Reading plus typing is for fags. Do one not both.
Maybe he wanted to get out of the house. Not so easy to do, though, with secret service protection.
Ali
Maybe he wanted the free WiFi.
One of Fournier's job options: McCain
http://www.politico.com/news/sto...0708/
12149.html
Before Ron Fournier returned to The Associated Press in March 2007, the veteran political reporter had another professional suitor: John McCain's presidential campaign.
In October 2006, the McCain team approached Fournier about joining the fledgling operation, according to a source with knowledge of the talks. In the months that followed, said a source, Fournier spoke about the job possibility with members of McCain's inner circle, including political aides Mark Salter, John Weaver and Rick Davis.
Salter, who remains a top McCain adviser, said in an e-mail to Politico that Fournier was considered for “a senior advisory role” in communications.
“He did us the courtesy of considering the offer before politely declining it,” Salter said.
He added that Fournier was an attractive target because of his knowledge about the political process, not because of his ideological or partisan leanings. Salter says he still does not know what, if any, those are.
Fournier has taken lumps in the left-leaning blogosphere in recent weeks, following the disclosure of a friendly e-mail exchange with Karl Rove from 2004. This was followed by an analysis of his work by Media Matters, a watchdog group that critiques news coverage from a liberal perspective. The group alleged that the influential Washington bureau chief has revealed a pro-McCain bias.
At the time of his dealings with McCain, Fournier was not with the wire service, his home for most of his career. Instead, he was editor-in-chief of a new — now-shuttered — political website Hotsoup.com
Co-founded with such principals as Matthew Dowd, chief strategist for the Bush-Cheney 2004 campaign, and Joe Lockhart, Bill Clinton’s former press secretary, the bipartisan site was established to discuss and debate hot-button issues with a cast of boldfaced names in politics and pop culture. The hope was that politically savvy readers would gravitate to the site’s social networking functions.
But Hotsoup never took flight, and Fournier returned to the AP as online political editor. (Disclosure: Fournier also spoke with Politico about potential employment before rejoining the AP.)
Chripes, what the fuck IS this the last couple of days with all the trolls?????
how many of the Suburbans were Secret Service?
I don't know. It's possible all of them were, since the protected person and his family were going on the trip. If so, it appears the taxpayers spent almost $45 for gas, huh?
And they support Hillary???????
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | 08.23.08 - 1:24 pm | #
Well, that's the joke, of course. That and the letting McCain get elected by staying home...
Well, to be fair, the Starbucks in Sedona is in a Safeway.
You know, I tend to be skeptical of any evaluation of wealth that has Lincoln Chafee, Bill Frist, and George Allen among those in a nine-way tie for "next poorest".
1 House, 1 Spouse
Obama -- Biden
peterboy
It was funnier when we didn't know for sure Biden was the VP choice. Biden's first wife died in a car crash with their infant daughter:
In 1966, while in law school, Biden married Neilia Hunter. They had three children, Joseph R. "Beau" Biden III, Robert Hunter, and Naomi. His wife and infant daughter died in a car accident shortly after he was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972. His two young sons, Beau and Hunter, were seriously injured in the accident, but both eventually made full recoveries.
Thanks for the info folks, now I get to decide for myself. [winky emoticon] My issue was: Are they turning into something different than they started out being and are their 'members' reevaluating their positions with time.
Thanks again.
But going to Starbucks?
Isn't a Joe's Diner nearby where he could have supported a small business owner?
what the fuck IS this the last couple of days with all the trolls?????
K. Rove has been cracking the whip on them, saying they'll be out of a job if McCain loses.
If PUMA Pac wants to go after the people responsible for Hillary's failure, they should be looking to string up Mark Penn, Lanny Davis, and the rest of the Hillary "Brain Trust" that thought it would be all over by Super Tuesday.
Then they'd be actually performing a public service and not wanking.
Nope, ErinPDX has been an Obama Person for a long time.
Trolls' anal warts must be acting up.
In 1966, while in law school, Biden married Neilia Hunter.
College sweetheart, IIRC.
Sad story.
Well, to be fair, the Starbucks in Sedona is in a Safeway.
plantsman |
Also a drycleaners, a staffer picked up some clothes .
From the story I read, Gampy sat in the car the whole time. Secret Service and a bomb-sniffing dog so he could go ride.
What's the story about "the tire swing?"
Nope, ErinPDX has been an Obama Person for a long time.
I'm hip - I was being facetious.
Joe commuted home to Wilmington every night because...
he wanted to be by Beau Biden.
well, I know about his first wife, but
one wife at a time....
didnt fit.
Don't worry!
We'll continue the Imperial Terrorism for Oil platform!
War on Liberty!
Yay!
Elias | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:26 pm | #
You missed the point, pal.
:smile:
What's the story about "the tire swing?"
Gomez
it's a metalepsis, silly.
Whatever that is.
OK, gotta go treat diabetes with food soon.
Gomez, the video Meghan McCain posted of the reporter bbq in Sedona shows one of them on a tire swing.
I voted for Obama but I still didn't want Hillary to lose.
I wanted them both to win.
One of Fournier's job options: McCain
That's been brought up several times at that SFGate link. Why any self-respecting newspaper would run that whore's obvious propaganda pieces -- ohwaitaminnit, I think I answered my own question!
Meanwhile, the Kronk's own political "reporters" have been on their knees for months now sucking McCain cock, too. Your "liberal" media, kids - let's hear it for 'em!
it's a metalepsis, silly.
Whatever that is.
Adam Hominem
Don't they have creams for that?
Gomez
Tireswing
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...ives/
209567.php
Troutski, BTW |
i dont mind biden. good for him
I wanted them both to win.
I'll bet you love T-ball!
One House, One Spouse
Obama '08
Oh, that's very good!
We'll continue the Imperial Terrorism for Oil platform!
War on Liberty!
Yay!
Obama Joe Biden
A Nader troll by any other name.
billy b
tee hee
and I'm not so much an Obama person, as I'm a want to win and have a presence in all 50 states person. And anti-stupid-illegal-war-person.
You missed the point, pal. Brooklyn Girl
Isn't that his whole schtick?
Metalepsis (from Greek Μετάληψις
is a figure of speech in which one thing is referenced by something else which is only remotely associated with it. Often the association works through a different figure of speech, or through a chain of cause and effect. Often metalepsis refers to the combination of several figures of speech into an altogether new one. Those base figures of speech can be literary references, resulting in a sophisticated form of allusion.
A synonym for metalepsis is transumption, derived from the Latin transsumptio invented by Quintilian as an equivalent for the Greek.
TIRE SWING is fully explained in previous thread....just search "tire."
And they support Hillary???
They "support" whoever Unka Karl tells them to support.
I'll bet you love T-ball!
dave™©
Naked T-ball with adults.
Ahh, baseball in the late summer. Because how many chances do you get to sit in the hot summer sun getting drunk in the afternoon while observing something slow and easy to understand.
I remember as a kid being scared silly by Night of the Metalepsis.
A Nader troll by any other name.
Adam Hominem
Would STILL be too stupid to live.
If Obama had of won the nomination by getting a large majority of the required delegates, then he could have gotten away with dissing us by choosing Biden.
As it stands, he just spit in the face of the Democratic Parties larges and most loyal bloc of voters.
give hillary the next supreme court seat.
And they support Hillary???
They don't support any Democrat.
They're pukes.....wanting to cause dissension.
And they seem to be succeeding.
Hey kids!
Want to rave & take Ecstasy?
Joe Biden says, "Fuck you!"
I like seeing the names picked by the new trolls.
PUMA
John McCain's life complicated and confusing. How confusing?
Robin Leach said McCain "tends to answer questions very rapidly without thinking of the correct answers. ... I would call it honest confusion."
Wildly firing off incorrect answers when under moderate pressure. Hot damn Robin, that's just what voters should look for: a guy with his glib, jittery fingers wrapped around the nuclear trigger who is easily -- yet honestly! -- confused.
Even a homerun just drifts.
Isn't that his whole schtick?
JeffCO | 08.23.08 - 1:32 pm | #
Yes, actually.
the coffee run is about getting out of the house...fighter jock, itch.
peterboy
Some of us go for a walk when we feel that way.
biden loves dogs by the way. he always brings his dogs to sprting events in DE.
give hillary the next supreme court seat.
nona |
Scalia and Company's WORST nightmare.
Attorney General wouldn't be bad, either.
"Payback time, bitches!"
i dont think a Dem is wise to pick someone over the age of 50 for the court. the game has to be played for longevity in the seat.
As it stands, he just spit in the face of the Democratic Parties larges and most loyal bloc of voters.
Statistics?
"Is He Rich?"
I can already hear the standard FOX/GOP talking point regarding class warfare.
Meanwhile, the Kronk's own political "reporters" have been on their knees for months now sucking McCain cock, too. Your "liberal" media, kids - let's hear it for 'em!
dave™© | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:31 pm | #
I've said it before and I'll say it again --
One of the very first things President Obama and the fillibuster-proof Dem congress have to do is to introduce, fight for, and pass legislation smashing the media monopolies.
Until they do that, just about everything else is so much chin music.
As it stands, he just spit in the face of the Democratic Parties larges and most loyal bloc of voters.
PUMA for life
I never knew it was required for the candidate to pick his runner-up for VP.
Huh. What do you know.
(And btw, as anyone on this blog can attest, I was a Hillary supporter--still am. But I will vote for the Dem candidate).
PUMA for life
Hard to post under more than one name when you're making long comments, eh "Elias" ?
"Our aim is to be the largest and most organized group of Democratic voters in American history."
John McCain's life complicated and confusing
How to go about those yearly pleas for a raise in his allowance from the wife?
give hillary the next supreme court seat.>>
Nope, She' too old. Give it to younger person.
the coffee run is about getting out of the house...fighter jock, itch.
peterboy
Some of us go for a walk when we feel that way.
With all the secret service people, he'd only need a drum major to have a parade.
he just spit in the face of the Democratic Parties larges
Man, I wish I could get in one a those Dem parties largesse.
My concern isn't the public PUMA's. It's all the women who are quietly angry yet saying they will support Obama. They are the ones who I fear when they get in that closed voting booth.
the coffee run is about getting out of the house...fighter jock, itch.
He's got 20 acres to be outside on, what the hell is the point of going to a Safeway Starbucks? Geeze, that's dumb.
Joe Biden PUMA's his dogs?!? Sorry just reading every other word.
Wildly firing off incorrect answers when under moderate pressure. Hot damn Robin, that's just what voters should look for: a guy with his glib, jittery fingers wrapped around the nuclear trigger who is easily -- yet honestly! -- confused.
Zack
I have a picture for that...
Is He Rich? Listen bud, he's got radioactive blood.
mccanus is gonna' get REAMED BADLY THIS WEEK - IT'LL PROBABLY REMIND HIM OF THE TIME CINDY PUT ON THE STRAP-ON AND TOOK HIM - JUST HARMLESS FUN OF COURSE
"Our aim is to be the largest and most organized herd of cats in American history."
fyt
give hillary the next supreme court seat.>>
Nope, She' too old. Give it to younger person.
Zack | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:36 pm | #
She's not too old.
But I still don't want her on the court. I want a flaming liberal on the court.
They are the ones who I fear when they get in that closed voting booth.
Perhaps after they consult with their husbands, pastors and doctors, they'll make the right choice...
Until they do that, just about everything else is so much chin music.
steve hüssein® simels
Give the man a cee gar.
"the coffee run is about getting out of the house...fighter jock, itch.
peterboy"
he probably could have taken a walk at his estate for two hours and never passed the same area twice.
Like Marijuana? Need Marijuana for illness?
Joe Biden says, "Fuck You!"
"I spent a lot of time in the hospital, fortunately I wasn't, for most of the time, in serious pain. But, you know, lying there for 59 days in an ICU unit you see people and hear people in pain. We have not devoted nearly enough science or time to deal with the pain management and chronic pain management that exists. There's got to be a better answer than marijuana. There's got to be a better answer than that."
Joe Biden says, "Fuck you!"
MDMA=bad, MBNA=good.
Hard to post under more than one name when you're making long comments, eh "Elias" ?
Richard
Elias is another one who likes being mistreated, apparently.
Boring little creature.
Nope, She' too old. Give it to younger person.
Zack
she's got at least twenty-five years ahead of her
though I would rather see her use her power to push her health care plan through the Congress.
Comment by Jack Herer blocked.
Please....get a life.
I bet he knows how many houses he owns.
"Rudy's Sentences Consist Of "A Noun, A Verb, And 9/11."
i think this got biden the job
I don't think Elias uses sock puppets. I think he only posts as himself
For me, it's another story altogether.
Nope, She's too old. Give it to younger person.
Zack
Would you say that about man?
it isnt about the number of houses you won or how rich you are, it is that you are advocating tax programs that reward yourself and your cronies.
I have seen the multiple house and lifestyle of the of what the Shrill One so accurately calls "the denizens of upper richistan." it is amazing and easy to see how it could be reveled in, but the point is that Mcsame is not of the people and he is not for the people.
Kennedy would be an example of the polar opposite.
oopsie! didn't mean to shout about mccanus taking it up the ass from cindy - I heard it from a friend of a friend - irresponsible NOT TO SPECULATE
Nope, She' too old. Give it to younger person.
You can appoint Harold Fnord to the Supreme Court, if he ever passes the Tennessee Bar.
Off to get my ears lowered, as dad used to say.
There's got to be a better answer than marijuana.
Morphine. But it's addictive.
Atrios' plane leaves now...
And anti-stupid-illegal-war-person.
ErinPDX
Uhm, you can stop hating now. Hillary lost. Really.
Jeesh, I've been feeling so good today too!
You can appoint Harold Fnord to the Supreme Court, if he ever passes the Tennessee Bar.
theodoric of athens
True.
All the text message buzz to announce leftovers?
CSpan had one of those interviews with Biden on this morning. I'm sure they will be replaying it. I found it helpful and informative. It wasn't a fluff piece but I came away from it knowing Biden a wee bit better. Watch if you get the chance.
all the puma hillary supporters could like . . .you know . . . do something constructive instead.
Uhm, you can stop hating now. Hillary lost. Really.
qlª - Obama/Biden
Thank you for saying that.
Joe Biden doesn't think that users of crack should go to jail longer than users of coke...
but he thinks they should both go to jail.
Think you should be able to use whatever drugs you want?
Joe Biden says, "Fuck You!"
I heard Neil Cavuto going on this morning about how fancy his mother's house is. And he called his place a "compound."
My concern isn't the public PUMA's. It's all the women who are quietly angry yet saying they will support Obama. They are the ones who I fear when they get in that closed voting booth.
EM in Cali |
Someone on Crooks N Liars had a good post this morning about women who would vote for a candidate who would turn them into baby machines:
"They're the kind of people who only have three teeth left."
though I would rather see her use her power to push her health care plan through the Congress.
BlueinColorado
that would be really good. i think esp her coming off the campaign trail and getting a picture of the desperation among people made an impact and that coupled with her wonkishness could really work this time to get something meaningful passed..
actually, turns out it was rove and not cindy buggering mccanus. sorry. rove has bigger tits
he voted for torture - he has no moral center just a cavity for rove to bugger again and again
Hey bats.
Just back from the first round of errands, before my nap.
Lost 2# this week. I don't know if it's the stress or the healthy eating.
Excellent article in the NYT about Cindy & McCain's wealth.
GO
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/2...wanted=1&
ref=us
Hey, jack - I say fuck you too! Go do some drugs.
Would you say that about man?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
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Absolutely! The Repuke presidents gave it to younger people. Why cannot the Democratic President be as smart. I'm tired being in the dumb party!
I heard Neil Cavuto going on this morning about how fancy his mother's house is. And he called his place a "compound."
Roxanne
Be nice if you had a reference before you started throwing the pronouns around.
Hey kids!
Want to rave & take Ecstasy?
Joe Biden says, "Fuck you!"
MDMA | 08.23.08 - 1:34 pm | #
Good. That shit makes you listen to really crappy music.
Think you should be able to use whatever drugs you want?
WHY do you NEED to use cocaine or crack at all?
Not trying to be a wise ass - because I think drug laws are stupid, too - but I'm curious as to why anyone would WANT to put that shit in their systems?
Nope, She's too old. Give it to younger person.
Zack
Would you say that about man?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 |
We want someone who is really young... about 12.
Obama also needs to change the Supreme Court number before he fixes the Bush/Cheney imperial presidency powers... and then load the court with liberals....
Good. That shit makes you listen to really crappy music.
steve hüssein® simels
Lost 2# this week.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Have no fear. I found them.
Good. That shit makes you listen to really crappy music.
steve hüssein® simels | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
I don't know Zack and I hope he/she isn't sexist.
I get the picking of young SC justices.
I heard Neil Cavuto going on this morning
I'm very sorry for your loss... of time.
Hey kids!
Want to rave & take Ecstasy?
Why not not take the easier route and shoot yourself?
I heard Neil Cavuto going on this morning about how fancy his mother's house is. And he called his place a "compound."
Roxanne
so Cavuto was talking about Biden's mother's house? It did look pretty fancy.
yea, terry c. i would say that is why he cant pick Bill or Chermerensky or a bunch of older types. the clock ticks.
Lost 2# this week.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Vicki - did you ever get those nails off?
So Biden doesn't have any money. That's interesting.
Is he an attorney?
Not trying to be a wise ass - because I think drug laws are stupid, too - but I'm curious as to why anyone would WANT to put that shit in their systems?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
In all seriousness, it's because on some level it makes life marginally more bearable.
yea, terry c. i would say that is why he cant pick Bill or Chermerensky or a bunch of older types. the clock ticks.
peterboy
Bill's not old.
why does simels hate the glowstick makers? does he want their children to starve?
I don't know Zack and I hope he/she isn't sexist.
I get the picking of young SC justices.
camelot | 08.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
People change as they get older ... I'd rather have someone with life experience and a track record, and I don't want to be stuck with someone on the court for 40 years.
So this puts Delaware's 3 electoral votes in the Dem column?
Lost 2# this week.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Vicki - did you ever get those nails off?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
You realize, you guys, that this conversation is completely... mysterious...
In all seriousness, it's because on some level it makes life marginally more bearable.
steve hüssein® simels
Drugs are a crutch for people who can't satnd reality. Which is most of us.
In all seriousness, it's because on some level it makes life marginally more bearable.
steve hüssein® simels
By making problems worse?
(shakes head in bewilderment)
Uhm, you can stop hating now. Hillary lost. Really.
Jeesh, I've been feeling so good today too!
qlª - Obama/Biden
i'm not hating on her at all, sorry you took it that way. i just hate when some of the women (not you) tell me I'm not a feminist because i didn't support that particular woman. pisses me off.
glad i stopped back in, gotta go out and do chores. take care
Somedays, you just can't get rid of the bomb.
Someone on Crooks N Liars had a good post this morning about women who would vote for a candidate who would turn them into baby machines:
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"They're the kind of people who only have three teeth left."
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
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Stereotype much?
Sadly, I already know of several intelligent, college educated women who are very dispirited over the lack of a woman on this ticket. They are saying the right things, but I know them well enough to know when they are white hot angry and just covering it up. I honestly do think there is a real chance of them voting McCain in November over this, and then forever denying it.
Some say that Karl Rove just left Palisades Pizza in DC driving a very new Jaguar.
So this puts Delaware's 3 electoral votes in the Dem column?
George Johnston
Allelujah!
You realize, you guys, that this conversation is completely... mysterious...
ellroon Obama/Biden
Vicki was struggling last night with fake nails.
She couldn't get the goddamn things off.
By making problems worse?
(shakes head in bewilderment)
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
Not initially.
My God, Biden's broker'n I am.
Good. That shit makes you listen to really crappy music.
steve hüssein® simels | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
Best post of the day. Love that Simels.
One thing the spurned Hillarists (faux and actual) seem to all share is a tedious, diarrheal writing style.
Hey kids!
Want to rave & take Ecstasy?
Why not not take the easier route and shoot yourself?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:44 pm | #
You could say the same thing about alcohol ...
Somedays, you just can't get rid of the bomb.
Holy cute family of ducks, Batman!
By making problems worse?
(shakes head in bewilderment)
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
Not initially.
steve hüssein® simels
(shrugs)
So Biden doesn't have any money. That's interesting.
That doesn't explain giving credit card companies the right to rape consumers.
Vicki - did you ever get those nails off?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
No, I did not. So it wasn't the gel.
WHY do you NEED to use cocaine or crack at all?
Not trying to be a wise ass - because I think drug laws are stupid, too - but I'm curious as to why anyone would WANT to put that shit in their system
Because it makes you feel good (which should be a warning to you) or that it relieves pain somewhat.
Myself I'll reserve the use of drugs for pain.
Vicki was struggling last night with fake nails.
She couldn't get the goddamn things off.
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
Thanks for the explanation..
Holly Bailey was the reporter in the tire swing.
why would a woman who is white hot about no woman on the ticket go vote for a party and a man who says life begins at conception and that means we need to ban abortions.
I dont know a single woman who cares about the woman/president issue who would sell out her sisters and daughters on the abortion issue.
and I have two daughters.
Not trying to be a wise ass - because I think drug laws are stupid, too - but I'm curious as to why anyone would WANT to put that shit in their systems?
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
I ask the same question about tobacco. And most alcohol. But I ask it of both men and women, dammit!
Well, we have two rather young conservative appointments on the court and when they change, it will probably be to being more conservative. As usual Repukes have backed us into a corner.
One thing the spurned Hillarists (faux and actual) seem to all share is a tedious, diarrheal writing style.
Tralfaz
You think you can blame tedious and diarrheal posts on Hillary supporters?
Think again, bub.
biden is also a pro choice catholic.
Biden's balance sheet looks weird. About 25 mutual funds for < $1000 each.
Well screw it then, I'm not voting for someone who isn't rich.
If you can't at least make yourself rich, what the fuck are you going to do for me???
Vicki was struggling last night with fake nails.
Why people would do that to their bodies is beyond me.
Stereotype much?
EM in Cali
Didn't say I bought into it.
Just quoting what I saw on another blog.
I AM frustrated with people who would vote against their own interests.
And fuck the rest of us over because they're too immature to deal with a loss.
I like Terry C's idea of Hillary for a SC Justice.
Holly Bailey was promoted to White House Correspondent in January 2005. She covers the policy and politics of President Bush's second term.
Bailey, who started at Newsweek in January 2003 as an intern in the Washington bureau, was promoted to reporter/researcher in July 2003. In 2004, she covered the presidential campaigns of Sen. John Kerry and former Rep. Dick Gephardt and was a contributor to the Campaign 2004 Election Project.
I honestly do think there is a real chance of them voting McCain in November over this, and then forever denying it.
EM in Cali | 08.23.08 - 1:47 pm | #
And I honestly do think that some day a sombrero wearing amoeba called Miguel will someday win the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor.
Your concern has been noted, my troll amigo....
why would a woman who is white hot about no woman on the ticket go vote for a party and a man who says life begins at conception and that means we need to ban abortions.
I dont know a single woman who cares about the woman/president issue who would sell out her sisters and daughters on the abortion issue.
and I have two daughters.
peterboy
Exactly. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face...
It is not a logical step, just an emotional one.
Which we cannot afford atm.
LIke Cognitive Liberty?
Joe Biden says, "Fuck Your Liberty!"
He wrote the law that gave us the Drug Czar.
He proposed biological warfare against South American farmers.
He sponsored legislation subjecting business owners to federal prosecution if others use drugs on their premises.
Joe Biden is no friend of Liberty.
why would a woman who is white hot about no woman on the ticket go vote for a man who cheated on his wife when she needed him most?
Fixed your 'do.
BTW, I think the best defense against recreational pharmaceuticals is excellent and unbiased information.
And I don't see that happening any time soon.
Holly Bailey was the reporter in the tire swing.
Holly Bailey looks drunk when she's sober.
Apparently, a certain person did not get the fax of the day. Tsk.
If you can't at least make yourself rich, what the fuck are you going to do for me???
spiritraveller
The rich 'pukes don't do anything for the people who vote for them anyway.
The ones who aren't already obscenely wealthy, that is.
i just hate when some of the women (not you) tell me I'm not a feminist because i didn't support that particular woman. pisses me off.
Replace "not a feminist" with "a misogynist" in this statement, then you get the male perspective on such tactics.
Why people would do that to their bodies is beyond me.
JeffCO
Fake nails are the least of which I've done to my body. They're benign.
And they actually serve a good purpose: the eliminate hang nails.
I just didn't want to pay for getting the fill any more.
Drugs are a crutch for people who can't satnd reality. Which is most of us.
Adam Hominem | 08.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
Not necessarily. Some drugs are fun. Just gotta be smart, use common sense, and know when to stop.
You think you can blame tedious and diarrheal posts on Hillary supporters?
Think again, bub.
Adam Hominem
No, not all the tedious lectures (here and elswhere) have been from them, but a lot of them have. And we're due for more I'm sure.
Holly Bailey was the reporter in the tire swing.
Gomez
Drunk and disheveled she was.
And I honestly do think that some day a sombrero wearing amoeba called Miguel will someday win the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor.
Your concern has been noted, my troll amigo....
steve hüssein® simels | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:50 pm | #
No, this is the best post of the day. Our man is on fire today folks!
Well, we have two rather young conservative appointments on the court and when they change, it will probably be to being more conservative. As usual Repukes have backed us into a corner.
camelot | 08.23.08 - 1:48 pm |
Hey -- I'm the glass-is-half-full optimist around here, toots!!!
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One of the very first things President Obama and the fillibuster-proof Dem congress have to do is to introduce, fight for, and pass legislation smashing the media monopolies.
I think the print media is imploding of its own accord.
It's really sad to see the print edition of the Kronk these days. Most times it barely breaks a total of 40 pages, and the large display ads are the sort of thing you used to see in the back pages of the Enquirer.
The publishers and their genius "consultants" know absolutely nothing about how to appeal to their actual readers. So they get sandbagged by the fact that their online edition gets flooded with comments from hardcore moronic brownshirt fucks and think that's their readership. This is in San Francisco, kids. So the Kronk (which always tilted right anyway) now runs big screaming headlines about the evils of illegal immigration and how the homeless should be rounded up and gassed.
It's a stone-cold deathwatch...
why would a woman who is white hot about no woman on the ticket go vote for a party and a man who says life begins at conception and that means we need to ban abortions.
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Because they don't feel there is anything to lose. They think that supporting a party that stabs them in the back is worse than supporting a party that stabs them in the front. They think the abortion issue is a sockpuppet that is being waved at them to keep them in line, and they resent it. I'm serious, I think this might be a real problem if Obama doesn't find a way to address this fast.
when will butler die . jesus fuck he is annyoing.
I know I never decide someone is a troll based on their posting obsessively on the same idiotic point under different one-off nyms.
Oh wait, yes I do. Killfile, take me away!
I AM frustrated with people who would vote against their own interests.
And fuck the rest of us over because they're too immature to deal...
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
Pity the Rethuglican, for they shall be with us always.
Why people would do that to their bodies is beyond me.
JeffCO | 08.23.08 - 1:49 pm | #
Heh.
For the same reason they were really high heels.
I think any judge who overstepped their bounds and voted to install the Chimperor needs to be impeached.
Drugs are a crutch for people who can't satnd reality. Which is most of us.
Adam Hominem | 08.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
No, as Tom Waits famously said on "Fernwood Tonight" -- reality is for people who can't face drugs.
Any judge installed by the Chimperor needs to be impeached just on general principle.
I honestly do think there is a real chance of them voting McCain in November over this, and then forever denying it.
EM in Cali
I think someone else has been doing those drugs we've been discussing.
Blah, blah, blah, life is hard then you die. Live for the fucking day.
if someone votes for mccain they are evil. its that simple.
Because they don't feel there is anything to lose.
Then they're really really really really really really stupid.
They think that supporting a party that stabs them in the back
This notion fascinates me. "My vote didn't count for more than other people's so I have been betrayed."
Lost 2# this week.
So did my lovely wife!
Not that I noticed - she always looks good to me! But she felt better about it...
BTW, she used to be a WW leader. She kicked ass!!!
They're benign.
So you did manage to get one off?
as I said, I like to see the names the concern trolls pick.
EM
Pity the Rethuglican, for they shall be with us always.
R. Manhammer
Yep.
And so will these stupid trolls, unfortunately.
Apparently, Mommy and Daddy didn't pay enough attention to them.
Because they don't feel people will think they are a front for Repukes
Fixed your typo.
Exactly. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face...
It is not a logical step, just an emotional one.
Which we cannot afford atm.
ellroon Obama/Biden | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:50 pm | #
And it perpetuates the myth that women can't make rational decisions.
There should be a law against reporters and politicians mixing like that.
*cringe* and *cringe again*
http://www.newsweek.com/id/32191
Holly Bailey was promoted to White House Correspondent in January 2005. She covers the policy and politics of President Bush's second term.
Bailey, who started at Newsweek in January 2003 as an intern in the Washington bureau, was promoted to reporter/researcher in July 2003. In 2004, she covered the presidential campaigns of Sen. John Kerry and former Rep. Dick Gephardt and was a contributor to the Campaign 2004 Election Project. She also reported on 527 groups and broke news on Tom DeLay's troubles. In 2005, she was among the first reporters to travel with Bush to the Gulf Coast in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and was the only magazine writer to accompany Bush and former presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton when they attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II. In addition to the White House beat, she also reported on Jack Abramoff and the congressional ethics scandals.
if someone votes for mccain they are evil. its that simple.
forgive me if I find this vaguely Bushian.
5-4, bitches.
that's enough to get my vote--22-year-old berkeley female grad.
dont need to hear anything else.
if someone votes for mccain they are evil. its that simple.
euphronius
They are nuts.
It's a stone-cold deathwatch...
dave™© | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 1:52 pm | #
Agreed, but the media is still -- what, 60 percent of the problem? 90 percent?
The Bush administration has lied about almost every single thing they've done over the last eight years, and the corporate monopoly media has helped them get away with it. I don't think that's even debatable....
Because they don't feel there is anything to lose. They think that supporting a party that stabs them in the back is worse than supporting a party that stabs them in the front. They think the abortion issue is a sockpuppet that is being waved at them to keep them in line, and they resent it.
In other words - they're morons.
And they're quite a small minority. The Greens await them with open arms! See ya!!!
My favorite Biden quote just on MSNBC:
Brian Williams asked him if he could control his tendency to be long-winded.
Biden's answer: "Yes."
For the same reason they were really high heels.
I am on the record against torturing calves.
Now that is just an obscene notion. Oh right, Andrea what's her face and Allan go fuck yourself.
the media is still -- what, 60 percent of the problem? 90 percent?
Yeah, but that's the on-air media. Print media (as far as general news goes) is dead Dead DEAD.
crazy or evil.
and it is not bushian to describe some things as simple. some things are simple.
There should be a law against reporters and politicians mixing like that.
*cringe* and *cringe again*
Gomez
the good papers and the good reporters try to avoid those circumstances. In my experience, it was actually the Kennedy's annual clambake at Hyannisport that perfected the method.
JeffCO, Consider it this way: hair color and gel nails are temporary and can be removed at whim. Tatoos and piercings are more permanent. All these things contain chemicals and/or metals that are either applied on or through your body.
So what's better for you? I don't know.
Why would I wear fake nails?
1. For a professional work appearance (A nice french mani and pedi work well with sandals and open toed shoes in the Summer)
2. To get rid of hang nails.
Not necessarily. Some drugs are fun. Just gotta be smart, use common sense, and know when to stop.
Brooklyn Girl
Exactly!
Which is why anyone who votes for Joe Biden is evil.
if someone votes for mccain they are evil. its that simple.
forgive me if I find this vaguely Bushian.
theodoric of athens | 08.23.08 - 1:56 pm | #
Well, they're certainly enabling evil.
I don't think they are morons. Their strategy makes sense. If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere. There is no other way to make the powers-that-be take them seriously.
Drugs are a crutch for people who can't satnd reality. Which is most of us.
Adam Hominem
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The a-hole Scalia said to get over it.
Clem, you sure can recognize talent. You should be an entertainment critic.
I am on the record against torturing calves.
JeffCO | 08.23.08 - 1:57 pm | #
I hear ya. In both senses of the word.
Holly Bailey was promoted to White House Correspondent in January 2005.
Wasn't she in "Breakfast at Tiffanys" as Holly GoFuckly?
when will butler die . jesus fuck he is annyoing.
euphronius
I can add a couple other names to that list.
Why can't they just start their own blog(s)?
Steve
:lol I now realize you read my comment. uh-oh. [camelot slinks off to take some of those bad, bad drugs so she can come back an optimist] There is not room around here for Debbie and Donnie Downer.
Hmmm, veal.
If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere.
In this case, it's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The only problem is, it's fucking the entire country over.
Clem, you sure can recognize talent. You should be an entertainment critic.
Clem's friend | 08.23.08 - 1:59 pm | #
Ah, there's no way we could possibly identify the person behind that delightful prose styling.
I am on the record against torturing calves.
JeffCO
I thought it was lambs?
If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere. There is no other way to make the powers-that-be take them seriously.
Works fine in the micro-climate. Macro-world - not so much.
sun just came out on the coast here...got to go check the meter on the solar system which was installed two days ago.
very very cool and the utility and the feds paid for half.
it is producing about 16kWh a day....all of our electricity.
Exactly!
Which is why anyone who votes for Joe Biden is evil.
Don't Tread on Me, Plugz! | 08.23.08 - 1:58 pm | #
Oh, please ... you are the poster child for Biden's case. Shut up.
Obama is young and charismatic - I guess he wanted to balance the ticket.
So you did manage to get one off?
Yes, actually. One. The left pinky.
I wasn't using the correct remover, though. I went out and bought it today.
The whole thing is crazy.
"if someone votes for mccain they are evil. its that simple.
forgive me if I find this vaguely Bushian.
theodoric of athens | 08.23.08 - 1:56 pm | "
I've been trying to launch the spurious meme that "McCain hates Jesus," but it is - as they say - dead in the water. 'Cause who gives a damn.
the money important east coast dems like biden. so thats good for obama.
Scott Simon and Mara Liasson were yucking it up this morning on NPR re: Biden. She actually snorted.
The data in 2005 is more complete than 2006.
Over cooked dog meat? Not so much.
We should worry more about white men who are polling for McStain 55% to 35%. White women are going for McStain by only 3%. Forget the few Hillary holdouts. They're not the problem. That's just media hype.
BTW, Cindy McCain has a whiny upper class "This is soooooo much better than Washington" in the video.
Please keep her away from the WH.
Sunday at the Ranch With John
McCain works his 'base' at a barbecue
By Holly Bailey | Newsweek Web Exclusive
http://www.newsweek.com/id/11807...6?
tid=relatedcl
There are worse ways to spend a sunny Sunday afternoon than swinging lazily back and forth on a tire swing strung up under a massive sycamore tree in a quiet Arizona canyon, the sound of a gushing stream nearby. Almost grazing the ground and hung on rope that looked to have been tied and retied again over the years, the swing belonged to John McCain, who stood several dozen yards away, carefully monitoring giant slabs of pork ribs on a smoking grill.
It was an idyllic scene, and one that might have made the Democratic contenders envious. As Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama fight it out for their party's presidential nomination, campaigning well into the night, McCain has been lying low. On Friday the all-but-certain Republican presidential nominee took a break from the campaign trail in Texas and flew to his weekend cabin outside Sedona, Ariz., about two hours north of Phoenix...
The campaign booked the senator's aides and reporters into one of the only big hotels in town: the Enchantment Resort, a five-star hotel nestled so far back in the picturesque red rock canyons of Sedona that most in the group found that their cell phones were out of range. To cope with the stress of being incommunicado, people booked massages at the hotel spa and went on hikes, including one on which an instructor sought to help participants unblock their "inner chi." "Let me tell you, I've got a lot of chi today," joked Steve Duprey, a close friend of McCain's from New Hampshire who has been traveling with the campaign. Others played golf, went swimming or simply explored the hotel compound. "I haven't walked this much in eight months," one campaign regular confessed. Perhaps this scene gives some insight into why McCain jokingly refers to the media as his base.
Wasn't she in "Breakfast at Tiffanys" as Holly GoFuckly?
I'd love to see a remake where Holly's played by a guy. Much more true-to-life...
Biden to Abu Gonzalez at his confirmation hearings: "I like you. You're the real deal." And he voted for the Iraq War resolution. Not stellar judgment.
Works fine in the micro-climate. Macro-world - not so much.
dave™© | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:00 pm | #
Bingo.
And like I said, in the macro-world, the only thing that's going to make the slightest difference is well-financed left-wing primary challenges against the entire DLC wing of the party. Starting with the two senators from New York.
IMHO.
And on that note -- errands beckon. Back in a bit.
I don't think they are morons. Their strategy makes sense. If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere. There is no other way to make the powers-that-be take them seriously.
R. Manhammer | 08.23.08 - 1:59 pm
thats fine. they are evil though. but its not like being evil is some uncommon thing.
you are the poster child for Biden's case.
Brooklyn Girl
You are the poster child for abortion.
holly bailey--perpetuating the "cabin " myth.
a card-carrying member of the village.
Forget the few Hillary holdouts. They're not the problem. That's just media hype.
DING DING DING DING DING!
And the little lady wins a kewpie doll!
BTW, Cindy McCain has a whiny upper class "This is soooooo much better than Washington" in the video.
The great thing about Cindy is she has no idea how privileged she is, as in her cavalier "so I bought another one!" wrt the Coronado beach condos.
She's going to alienate a lot of people between now and Nov, I think
Agreed, but the media is still -- what, 60 percent of the problem? 90 percent?
The Bush administration has lied about almost every single thing they've done over the last eight years, and the corporate monopoly media has helped them get away with it. I don't think that's even debatable....
The smartest person on this blog I tell you. No one else has to say anything. Let's take a break and just listen to such wisdom.
Wasserman Schultz saying that Biden has been an absolute champion for Israel. "The Jewish community could not be better served than by this choice by Barack," she says, on MSNBC, right now.
If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere. There is no other way to make the powers-that-be take them seriously.
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Thats exactly the feeling I got from them.
I think it would help for Obama to start making some cabinet announcements swiftly. I don't know if it will help all that much, but it wouldn't hurt either.
Joe Sleazeborough this morning, when someone mentioned that actor Sean Penn had picked Biden from the get-go:
"That's a good reason not to vote for him. Sean Penn is unAmerican."
I would like that smirking piece of shit to say that to Mr. Penn's face. I've always believed that a major ass beating would benefit Sleazeborough immensely.
asserman Schultz saying that Biden has been an absolute champion for Israel. "The Jewish community could not be better served than by this choice by Barack," she says, on MSNBC, right now.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 08.23.08 -
yar. thats huge. it gets important dems more on board obama's campaign. it was a good pic for obama.
EM
You are the poster child for abortion.
And Valtrex. | 08.23.08 - 2:03 pm | #
Butler's rapier wit strikes again.
Madonna used to think Sean Penn was teh shite.
If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere. There is no other way to make the powers-that-be take them seriously.
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Thats exactly the feeling I got from them.
I think it would help for Obama to start making some cabinet announcements swiftly
If it's about issues and "values", what issue is it that HRC and McCain agree on and Obama does not?
And naming cabinet members now would just start unnecessary fights within the party and with the media.
In this case, it's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The only problem is, it's fucking the entire country over.
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08
In all honesty, I am not really familiar with their complaints, but if the senior leadership acknowledges and deals constructively with their issues, which should be a given in any actually democratic organization, then I suspect the problems go away.
On the other hand, if the senior leadership ignores the issues or disses those who have those issues, then I think it is perfectly appropriate to walk away and let the senior leadership reap what they have sown.
One cannot have it both ways and I don't think it's fair to say that those who issues are not constructively addressed by the party are somehow responsible for the disaster that the OTHER party is. Too close to extortion for me. But then, I was an abused child, so all manner of emotional manipulations don't work for me.
I would like that smirking piece of shit to say that to Mr. Penn's face.
Penn to Joe: "How's that dead intern, Joe?"
Has any other VP pick ever received this degree of media attention?
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Sexist mother fucker.
We should worry more about white men who are polling for McStain 55% to 35%. White women are going for McStain by only 3%. Forget the few Hillary holdouts. They're not the problem. That's just media hype.
qlª - Obama/Biden
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I'm not so sure I trust the polls on this issue at all. I can see a lot of pissed off women saying they'll vote the right way when asked by a pollster, then turning around and vindictively marking the box next to McCain. It's the one sure way to get their candidate in '12.
So what's better for you? I don't know. Why would I wear fake nails?
I hope the 2# you lost weren't your humor detector.
Butler's rapier wit strikes again.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Such bravery coming from the anonymity of his keyboard.
Joe Sleazeborough this morning, when someone mentioned that actor Sean Penn had picked Biden from the get-go:
that lying fuck also said that penn fired shots at helicopters during his marriage to madonna.
And the case for Hillary being "next in line" was this: she had comparable popularity to Obama, and she was older and more experienced
Swan
We're focused on winning this damn election, not conducting a love in for the Democratic Party. Don't get me wrong, Hillary has many admirable traits & has been incredibly abused by the MCM. However, she creates an election campaign where the MCM mainly focuses on her in an incredibly negative way, making it even tougher for Obama to win.
Well, Debbie bothers me on many levels.
Vicki,
If the nails were so securely on, why are you removing them? How long are they supposed to last?
Can you tell I have to try to remember jewelry and love shoes but not wearing them?
Wasserman-Schultz seems to hurt her party as much as she helps.
How does Biden look in a ski parka? Does he own a $10,000 shotgun?
I'm really having trouble getting excited about a Democratic ticket. Used to be I'd always vote Democrat. But I wonder if they can or even want to make a difference anymore.
Obama says he's all about "change". But he's chosen for running mate a man that's been in the US Senate longer than I've been alive. Does he really feel confident in his ability to run this country?
Or is this just another W/Cheney ticket, where you've got a young personality handpicked by the party elite to run and an older guy who's going to make the real decisions?
And then there's McCain, who will probably have a stroke within a month of being inaugurated. Then we'll get the first Mormon president. At least he is younger than McCain and not older.
I am babbling, and I haven't logged on here in about a year. Forgive me.
oh please. this puma crap is so much bull shit. go vote for mccain. its your fucking soul.
Yesterday Rachel Maddow had a caller who was a Hillary supporter who now leans toward voting for McCain. Maddow kept asking the woman about the policies she believes in, and how those policies would be affected by McCain or Obama. The caller couldn't answer her. She kept saying she didn't trust Obama was really pro-choice. Maddow pointed out that McCain is strongly anti-choice, so why vote for him? The caller never really answered.
Maddow ended the discussion by saying "You may be angry that Hillary isn't the nominee, but don't pretend you're supporting McCain based on policy." (IIRC) It was an interesting conversation with a PUMA.
Alan O'delicious | 08.23.08 - 2:07 pm
(rolls eyes)
Absurd.
Butler's rapier wit strikes again.
Brooklyn Girl
Rapier?
I wouldn't even date you!
Thats exactly the feeling I got from them.
I think it would help for Obama to start making some cabinet announcements swiftly. I don't know if it will help all that much, but it wouldn't hurt either.
EM in Cali
I don't know that giving away cabinet appointments is the right thing to do. It might simply be OK to have the senior leadership acknowledge that their complaints are valid and that the leadership intends to fix the problem. Often, people simply want to be heard and have others acknowledge their grievances, which is only fair.
You might want to read my article on women in American politics. I went out and interviewed and Alternet even paid me. It's relevant for the PUMA discussion, too.
How does Biden look in a ski parka? Does he own a $10,000 shotgun?
George Johnston
Exactly. I got $100 that says he shoots someone in the face in the first term if they get elected.
Or is this just another W/Cheney ticket
Almost.
The difference?
W/Cheney were sworn in.
Joe Sleazeborough this morning, when someone mentioned that actor Sean Penn had picked Biden from the get-go:
that lying fuck also said that penn fired shots at helicopters during his marriage to madonna.
linda
Never mind Sean.
Madonna could kick Sleazeborough's ass.
are pumas:
- racist?
- sexist?
-evil?
-stupid?
i say all of the above.
It might simply be OK to have the senior leadership acknowledge that their complaints are valid
Their only complaint is they lost. Nothing is going to be done to change that.
I hope the 2# you lost weren't your humor detector.
Nah. I figured you were being the inimitable JeffCO.
I'm just really tired. Those bullshit e-mails I got from kossacks last night pissed me off. This whole week wasn't a great one, but you know what?
It starts over tomorrow. So it's all good.
Them PUMA bitches better get with the program. We don't got room for a bunch of whining women wailing about how they didn't get their precious little candidate that they wanted. Their job is to sit down, shut up, and vote how we tell them.
McCain/Schmidt '08.
They'll take the dissed Hillary votes. They'll take Ohio. THEY'LL KEEP THEIR EYE ON THE MOTHERFUCKING BALL! I'M WORRIED, PEOPLE!!!!1!
.
Oh, wait. No I'm not.
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Dream on, little dreamer, dream on.
Fundies ain't votin' for NO Mormon.
Well, it's nice to see that the Democratic Party has gone into the tank for the Villagers.
You are the poster child for abortion.
And Valtrex
FY represents the dregs of humanity. The pimp is an excellent candidate for euthanasia.
PUMA - Punked Undercover McCain Agents
The aforementioned interview of Biden is on CSpan now.
It is possible the change Obama wants is a unified Democratic party, at least for this election cycle.
only slightly snark/
Going to read Echidne's piece.
Thank you Echidne.
Fundies ain't votin' for NO Mormon.
As if they'll vote for a Black Muslim and Crazy Brain Joe?!
You didn't think Bush would win either time.
You though Dems would get tough after 2006.
You were wrong then and you're wrong now.
America will elect McCain/Romney...
Even if SCOTUS has to do it for them!
There are thousands of people there in Springfield! Holy Shit!
Dang, Mrs. Biden is just a regular ol' teacher?
That's pretty cool.
Has any other VP pick ever received this degree of media attention?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Ronnie RayGun's.
And Bush I was only his third choice.
You are the poster child for abortion.
And Valtrex
Valtrex is a good drug.
Joke all you want, but 1 in 5 of the people you fuck have herpes, so you better be thankful there's a drug for it.
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Your mommy wants you to go mow the lawn.
Leave the adults alone, please.
You might want to read my article on women in American politics. I went out and interviewed and Alternet even paid me.
Congrats!
Nice article...
Alan O'delicious
Really, 'cause I think I can get $200 an hour for your ass.
Valtrex is a good drug.
Joke all you want, but 1 in 5 of the people you fuck have herpes, so you better be thankful there's a drug for it.
spiritraveller
That's his problem.
NO one would fuck HIM.
Thanks, camelot and davelotsasymbols. It came out two weeks ago so some of you may have read it already.
Has any other VP pick ever received this degree of media attention?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
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Has any VP pick ever been such a slap in the face for such a large part of a party's base before?
There are thousands of people there in Springfield!
The opening of a monorail will do that...
the name Beau Biden reminds me of "The Name Game" song. Biden Biden bo Biden, banana fana fo Fiden....
That's his problem.
NO one would fuck HIM.
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:17 pm | #
Exactly. He comes over here to act out his sexual frustration.
The pimp is an excellent candidate for euthanasia.
billy b
(Raises hand to volunteer)
Joke all you want, but 1 in 5 of the people you fuck have herpes, so you better be thankful there's a drug for it.
Leave your family out of this.
I still won't touch you or Brooklyn Ho.
Have you ever noticed how particularly well designed the human penis is for anal intercourse?
Exactly. He comes over here to act out his sexual frustration.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
All the trolls always go right after the female members of this community.
Tells you everything you need to know about them.
NO one would fuck HIM.
Your daughter tried to charge me money.
I skipped on the bill.
Face transplant technology almost perfected!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Fa...1a83b6b154651b/
so some of you may have read it already.
Echidne
Yup, but it's worth re-reading.
I don't think they are morons. Their strategy makes sense. If their nominal party doesn't support their values, then yes, by all means, they should put their votes elsewhere. There is no other way to make the powers-that-be take them seriously.
R. Manhammer | 08.23.08 - 1:59 pm
Are you talking about the hard-core PUMA's? Because if that's who you're talking about I'm not in the mood to pander to a very, very small minority who are not taking the primary elections very well.
If you're really concerned about women's issues, you don't vote for McCain.
So yes, the obama/biden campaign should address the fact that sexism is alive and well and should be faced and fought. But I'm having trouble seeing that the PUMA's are really doing this for women's rights.
yes, Echidne, especially with regard to the multiple jobs + at home.
we had this discussion about getting another dog and while it would be easy while I am out of work, when I go back---guess to whom the afternoon walking would fall; the person with the home-based job. in our case, the female of the place.
Ed Rendell is sounding pretty stoked about Obama/Biden.
I still won't touch you or Brooklyn Ho.
You Herp Perp. | 08.23.08 - 2:18 pm | #
Wow. I'm so upset! Going to put my head in the oven.
Seriously, if you want to be funny, please try to develop a sense of humor that's at least slightly more sophisticated than your average sixth-grader's.
All the trolls always go right after the female members of this community.
Admit it. You pulled the stats out of your ass, along with Le Jackel's cock.
Comment by So much for your cut. blocked.
I can killfile you faster than you can come up with new nyms.
Don't fuck with me...you will NOT win!
McClatchy on Johnny Maverick's ties to the telecom companies.
Choice passage:
Executives of the consolidated Bells, the head of their trade group and their present and former lobbyists have raised as much as $4.25 million for McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, data from the nonprofit groups Public Citizen and Campaign Money Watch show.
More than 60 present and former telecom lobbyists work for McCain's campaign as staffers and volunteers, some in high-echelon posts while on leave from their firms.
How long before the credit card industry asks for a bailout?
And I have a slightly different angle to the PUMAs, however few they might be. Some of them are probably Republicans who might have voted for Hillary but will not vote for a generic Democrat. Some are Democratic women.
One of those commented on my blog some time ago and made a point somewhat similar to the third-party point: That both parties are so bad (in this case for women) that the only alternative is to sign out. The idea is that the Democratic party will then realize it needs the vote of women and will start listening to women and so on. So at least she wasn't selling young women's reproductive rights out (I think she's in her twenties herself). She felt that nothing would ever change without such drastic action, that the Republicans would keep slowly suffocating reproductive rights and the Democrats would go on kissing the hems of the religious wingnuts.
Face transplant technology almost perfected!!!
Katie O'Beirne comes out looking like Barry Manilow's ass.
I don't see what the big problem is that has these women all hysterical. I picked a pretty good MAN to see that their issues are represented.
Seriously, if you want to be funny, please try to develop a sense of humor that's at least slightly more sophisticated than your average sixth-grader's.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Uh-huh - THIS one makes Toby and pud look like Bill Hicks.
I am having a very hard time believing that there are really all that many Democrats who really think McCain is a better choice than Obama. I just don't believe it. Hurt feelings and all in the mix I just don't think they're are really that many who are so uncaring of principles that they would throw over the party just because Hillary came in second. The majority of this noise is GOP mischief, I guarantee it.
Maybe the PUMA's are attracted by McCain's vindictiveness to his first wife.
Going to put my head in the oven.
Humanity thanks you!
average sixth-grader's
No need to bring your customers into this.
Echidne
I had read it before and I just re-read it. That is impossible to do with some articles. Quality and content. [one of those thumbs up thingies that Gromit uses]
Well, it's nice to see that the Democratic Party has gone into the tank for the Villagers.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Seriously, whom were you expecting that you are so deeply disgusted with Biden? I mean, I'm fairly nonplussed too, but it really doesn't rise to the level of anguish for me. What is the issue that's stuck in your craw?
I can killfile you faster than you can come up with new nyms.
A Foaming Biden to peterboy.
maybe they are attracted by mcsame's effort to have cindy be Miss Buffalo chip.
Ed Rendell is sounding pretty stoked about Obama/Biden.
plantsman
he does. and wannabe Pa senator tweety is sucking up to him bigtime.
That both parties are so bad (in this case for women) that the only alternative is to sign out. The idea is that the Democratic party will then realize it needs the vote of women and will start listening to women and so on. So at least she wasn't selling young women's reproductive rights out (I think she's in her twenties herself). She felt that nothing would ever change without such drastic action, that the Republicans would keep slowly suffocating reproductive rights and the Democrats would go on kissing the hems of the religious wingnuts.
Echidne | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:22 pm | #
Sorry, but if she takes that approach, she can kiss her reproductive rights goodbye.
The people who withdraw have no voice and no power.
Toby read some Sylvia Plath and tried to commit suicide by putting his head in an electric oven.
Ed Rendell is sounding pretty stoked about Obama/Biden.
plantsman
Isn't he pretty well regarded by everyone in those parts?
Dear Keith: Joe Biden does NOT remind me of Dick Cheney, not one iota. Joe Biden's heart is functional.
am having a very hard time believing that there are really all that many Democrats who really think McCain is a better choice than Obama. I just don't believe it. Hurt feelings and all in the mix I just don't think they're are really that many who are so uncaring of principles that they would throw over the party just because Hillary came in second. The majority of this noise is GOP mischief, I guarantee it.
catalexis
The people who withdraw have no voice and no power.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Who does have voice and power? It's not the voters. Of that much, I'm sure.
I mean Rendell...
I just don't think they're are really that many who are so uncaring of principles that they would throw over the party just because Hillary came in second.
Here's the formula:
Take Kerry voters, subtract 5-10% of women...
Then subtract radicals who are mad at the do-nothing Congress...
Then let Diebold invert any margin of victory.
Voila!
I am having a very hard time believing that there are really all that many Democrats who really think McCain is a better choice than Obama. I just don't believe it. Hurt feelings and all in the mix I just don't think they're are really that many who are so uncaring of principles that they would throw over the party just because Hillary came in second. The majority of this noise is GOP mischief, I guarantee it.
catalexis | 08.23.08 - 2:23 p
What gets me is they're mad that Hillary didn't get the nomination, yet won't write her name in come November, they say they'll vote for McCain. Don't get it.
But yes, I think it is being overblown by the media.
Put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
And go out to the car and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.
Now don't I let you wash the car on Sunday?
Don't I warn you when you're gettin fat?
Ain't I a-gonna take you fishin' with me someday?
Well, a man can't love a woman more than that.
Ain't I always nice to your kid sister?
Don't I take her driving every night?
So, sit here at my feet 'cos I like you when you're sweet,
And you know it ain't feminine to fight.
The people who withdraw have no voice and no power.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Pretty damned much. Pouting and taking your ball and going home doesn't get everybody chasing you to demand they be allowed to play by your rules.
Another All Request Paxcast tonight until 7pm Eastern!
It has to be said again and again, voting for McCain or sitting this one out means overturning Roe versus Wade. And that's just for starters, the shit gets real serious after that.
Uh-huh - THIS one makes Toby and pud look like Bill Hicks.
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:23 pm | #
That's how I know it's Butler. He likes reverting to this infantile misogynist, because with his limited experience with women, he thinks it upsets us. He's the verbal equivalent of a mosquito.
Aww, camelot. You are sweet.
Sorry, but if she takes that approach, she can kiss her reproductive rights goodbye.
The people who withdraw have no voice and no power.
That's the usual argument about the Naderites, too. But the people who believe that the two parties are the same also believe that it's necessary to have all those rights taken away so that enough women and men wake up to change the party. Or to make a new one.
It's about how one judges the problems in the current situation and what might happen in the future. I don't think her strategy would work but I might be wrong.
Where the fuck do these trolls come from?
Biden/Rendell/Clinton strong ties to PA and each other.
Anyone here up for sex? My but that Terry C chick sounds like she would be a wildcat in bed. What do you say girl.
Now who the fuck is teasing in the woods?
That both parties are so bad (in this case for women) that the only alternative is to sign out.
As with all boycotts and strikes, if you get a critical mass, such things strike terror into the hearts of the status quo machine. Depends on how you announce your goals and such, too...
Where the fuck do these trolls come from?
plantsman
I think it's one moron who thinks he's cute.
Real respectful of women, too.
YOU MUST VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN LIKE THE MEN TELL YOU TO, OR YOU WILL BE FORCED TO HAVE 10,000 BABIES!!
This new troll tactic of changing nyms to foil killfile (once...once) is going to increase the usage of said killfile program.
But trolls are so,so tedious.
Yeah, and the wishing viral infections on people is a real plus, too.
Brushing in broad strokes, because there are exceptions, I believe the PA Dems like Rendell more than the PA Republicans like Ridge.
That's how I know it's Butler. He likes reverting to this infantile misogynist, because with his limited experience with women, he thinks it upsets us. He's the verbal equivalent of a mosquito.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
His limited experience with women is why his female sockpuppets are so unconvincing.
They're HIS idea of what women are supposed to be: airheaded, self-centered and just plain stupid.
fuck it's hot outside.
Mrs. A's question is interesting in its own right. Because basically, excepting a few celebrities and one or two multi-millionaires, the answer to that question when speaking of black and brown people is always "no." not by beer heiress standards, at least. there are plenty of us in the 'affluent' class these days, way more than pre-civil rights, but as chris rock says, "jordan may be rich, but the guy who signs his paycheck is wealthy." there are very few wealthy black people in this country. very few.
I mused about the notion of boycotting Democrats in 2010 if they don't end the war through the next Congress. Lots of people read it wrong, first of all, and I sure got lots of shit for it...
But the people who believe that the two parties are the same also believe that it's necessary to have all those rights taken away so that enough women and men wake up to change the party. Or to make a new one.
Sounds like a "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" mentality.
"AMWAY International - let us drive a wedge between you and your friends"
That's the usual argument about the Naderites, too. But the people who believe that the two parties are the same also believe that it's necessary to have all those rights taken away so that enough women and men wake up to change the party. Or to make a new one.
It's about how one judges the problems in the current situation and what might happen in the future. I don't think her strategy would work but I might be wrong.
Echidne
Alternatively, I think the two parties are functionally the same (Andrew Bacevich makes a fine argument for that point, without advocating the creation of any third parties.). But abandoning the system altogether is only viable if you then truly abandon the system, and stop:
a) mentioning, loudly, how you're really leaving now, and this time you mean it!
b) stop complaining about the system because you gave up on it and went your merry way. There is actually a world beyond political obsession and national politics. My take is: you either accept the system as it is, and work to change it, realizing you have little power to do so, but it's better than accepting a decaying and corrupt status quo.
Or you walk away from it, because you realize it ain't all there is. Me, I'm working on doing the latter. Still workin' on it.....
Funny that Mr. MBNA lacks wealth.
Sounds like a "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" mentality.
Richard |
The Westmoreland Syndrome?
For the record, Michelle Obama is no kept woman, barefoot and pregnant fool -- she's always worked since college.
Fox News has already pounded Biden into rubble this morning. Keep pounding, boys.
No mercy.
Biden's dad was a car salesman, in the end.
Funny that Mr. MBNA lacks wealth.
He got a great introductory rate on his credit cards...
Chidyke
Where have you been?
"AMWAY International - let us drive a wedge between you and your friends"
bullit
Ooooooooooooh, those people are SO crazy.
They really believe that crap that they spout.
Gotta stay with MSNBC. That Leslie bitch on CNN drives me crazy.
There isn't as much distinction between the parties as I would like, and Democrats do things that piss me off almost every day. Al Gore did things that pissed me off. But looking back at that election and everything that's happened since, can anybody honestly say that it doesn't matter which party controls the White House?
This new troll tactic of changing nyms to foil killfile (once...once) is going to increase the usage of said killfile program.
Loudly proclaiming that you're killfiling a troll isn't exactly going to discourage him, particularly given that the whole point of his antics is to generate angry responses.
stop complaining about the system because you gave up on it and went your merry way.
Actually, that's an important thing to do. If you walk away from it as a deliberate act to withdraw support from the system and make it clear what you want in terms of change, you can actually effect that change.
That's the usual argument about the Naderites, too. But the people who believe that the two parties are the same also believe that it's necessary to have all those rights taken away so that enough women and men wake up to change the party. Or to make a new one.
It's about how one judges the problems in the current situation and what might happen in the future. I don't think her strategy would work but I might be wrong.
Echidne | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:28 pm | #
I don't think it will work, either. Once those rights disappear, what evidence does she have that they will ever be restored?
And all 20-somethings should watch "Mad Men", if she wants to see how far we've come in the last 40 years by being active.
You know how hard and difficult it was to come to the consensus known as Roe versus Wade. To overturn that consensus would be disruptive to say the least. You probably don't want to go there.
Fox Noise bashing a Democrat? Say it ain't so!
For the record, Michelle Obama is no kept woman, barefoot and pregnant fool -- she's always worked since college.
plantsman
The wingtards seem to think she should be working as a maid someplace.
"AMWAY International - let us drive a wedge between you and your friends"
bullit
AMWAY--Come in under the pyramid! We need a new bottom level!
I mused about the notion of boycotting Democrats in 2010 if they don't end the war through the next Congress. Lots of people read it wrong, first of all, and I sure got lots of shit for it...
NTodd,
Current negotiations have us staying till 2011. Yup 2011.
Biden's dad was a car salesman, in the end.
plantsman |
Car salesman or car dealer? Somebody said Fox was carrying on about Biden's mother's fancy house this morning.
Biden holding his mom's hand just chokes me up...
What a sweet picture.
The smartest person on this blog I tell you. No one else has to say anything. Let's take a break and just listen to such wisdom.
Clem | 08.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
The amusing thing is that you know who actually thinks we don't recognize his lapidary prose stylings.
NTodd are you supplying Atrios with a complimentary set of armor?
re: Paxcast
Man oh man, that Terry C turns me on! What a wildcat. I bet there is nothing she won't do in bed, just hold on to the bed posts. I'm just passing through, I'm a traveling dude. Any of you guys had her?
Once those rights disappear, what evidence does she have that they will ever be restored?
DING DING DING DING DING!
If everyone on the left sat out elections, the pols would be simply go where the votes were, i.e. further right.
Walking away from the electoral system is the dumbest way to bring them to the left.
Biden's mom lives with him.
Current negotiations have us staying till 2011. Yup 2011.
Let's hope President Obama realizes that won't fly, and the Dem Congress will work with him to change the arrangements.
And all 20-somethings should watch "Mad Men", if she wants to see how far we've come in the last 40 years by being active.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
I was watching "I Love Lucy" today and got boiling bad.
She had to ask her husband for money? She was on an allowance?
There was one scene where he's going on about how she had to learn the value of a dollar.
I mean, he talked to her like she was some three year old.
And we have rightards who think those were the "good old days"
Fuck that!
Best Obama/Biden ad! Totally nails McCain!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...h?
v=RDVUPqoowf8
Way to go, Obama campaign!
I don't respond to trolls. And I wish people wouldn't repeat their droppings in response. Actually I think it's a lazy habit to repeat anyone's post.
It's a conversation we're engaged in--the repetition is kind of like stuttering, to me.
Chidyke is right - FUCK it's hot here.
And muggy.
Doesn't make a nice mix with a tired woman (me).
What's a "Fox News"?
Biden's father was born to some wealth, but he lost a great deal of money. Biden grew up middle-class at best, when there was a middle class.
boiling MAD
Yes its true I am mostly hairless
And like Kerry married a heiress
What happens to America I care less
More wars and less jobs
While I hang out with snobs
I am the Maverick with no name
Able to pander with no shame
But the people who believe that the two parties are the same also believe that it's necessary to have all those rights taken away so that enough women and men wake up to change the party. Or to make a new one.
Let's just say that those people are both incredibly short-sighted and far too willing to play roulette with other people's lives.
Assholes, in other words.
I just got here. The trolls seem realyy riled up.
Please ignore the trolls.
Please stop quoting them.
Thank you.
That reminds me, time to contribute to Darcy Burner. I saw her talk a couple of weeks ago and it was great to see someone smart, liberal and funny running for office.
What's a "Fox News"?
99.9% of America | 08.23.08 - 2:39 pm | #
Something that the approximately 8,000 viewers of Fox Business Channel probably don't have time for.
Seriously, if you want to be funny, please try to develop a sense of humor that's at least slightly more sophisticated than your average sixth-grader's
Hey! We resent that!
Yep. The VP announcement created a significant disturbance in the troll-force, no question.
Actually, that's an important thing to do. If you walk away from it as a deliberate act to withdraw support from the system and make it clear what you want in terms of change, you can actually effect that change.
NTodd, 198 Tees In The Woods
I really don't see that, NTodd. If I withdraw from a system I cannot (for whatever reason) support, I don't effect change in that system. The change is in me.
The system goes on it's merry way, and carries out whatever process it was doing when I left. It doesn't chase me down and promise to change if I'll just come back. If it fails, it was going to fail anyway. If it continues, it was going to continue without me.
Following the example of the Desert Fathers, if I withdraw, it is for my own salvation, not the salvation of society (or any larger system). I can't save that system. I can only (ultimately) save me. As Candide said: We must tend our own gardens.
If everyone on the left sat out elections, the pols would be simply go where the votes were, i.e. further right.
I'm not convinced of that. People on the right aren't all of a sudden going to embrace Dems instead of sticking with the rightwing pols that they already support. The Dems will be left in the wilderness, particularly since they know that the country essentially is liberal in terms of values and policies. And when the left bloc starts voting for real left parties and pols, the equation shifts dramatically.
Interrupting status quo behavior of voters and pols is as key as IRV and other electoral reform. Given that the majority party generally loses seats in mid-term elections, 2010 might not be a bad place to put a stake in the ground, provided intentions and goals are announced clearly and early, and escalating steps are taken to ratchet pressure on the Dem Congress and WH.
i see someone still doesn't understand what the "Name:" field is for.
Let's just say that those people are both incredibly short-sighted and far too willing to play roulette with other people's lives.
Assholes, in other words.
Well, yes. But as I said it depends on how serious one views the current system and how likely a revolutionary change would be. Like counting corpses in the two cups of the scales.
Somebody said Fox was carrying on about Biden's mother's fancy house this morning.
BlueinColorado
Well, Democrats and their families aren't SUPPOSED to have nice houses.
camelot: today, you mean? you don't want to know. i'm just glad to be done it that shit.
she's always worked since college.
plantsman
it is a rare black college student indeed who does not have to hold a job in college (i include athletics as a 'job'). seriously, i'm thinking about it...i'm fairly sure i've never met one.
Biden will have to the anti-Cheney. Go through every federal agency and remove the gooper loyalists at every level. They're like human landmines, waiting to strike the Obama administration at every chance they get.
The Obama/Biden event begins in about 30 minutes.
I really don't see that, NTodd. If I withdraw from a system I cannot (for whatever reason) support, I don't effect change in that system. The change is in me.
john calvin might have disagreed with this.
We love the smell of exploding trolls' heads in the morning.
It smells like...Victory!
I really don't see that, NTodd. If I withdraw from a system I cannot (for whatever reason) support, I don't effect change in that system. The change is in me.
Withdrawing support inherently changes the equation and disrupts the system. Again, it's not about you individually withdrawing, it's about a massive collective effort to remove the veneer of legitimacy, financial and political backing, etc, from the party or system.
You don't just do it right out of the gate, either, or do it because you've just given up. Then you're not trying to effect change. But as a tactic it has been used before often to great effect.
I was watching "I Love Lucy" today and got boiling bad.
She had to ask her husband for money? She was on an allowance?
There was one scene where he's going on about how she had to learn the value of a dollar.
I mean, he talked to her like she was some three year old.
And we have rightards who think those were the "good old days"
Fuck that!
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:39 pm | #
The thing that's even more infuriating is this was a written script that she probably had to go along with. I would guess that in real life the situation was quite different.
The propaganda about sex roles perpetuated by the media in the 1950s was relentless.
i see someone still doesn't understand what the "Name:" field is for.
Current negotiations have us staying till 2011. Yup 2011.
Let's hope President Obama realizes that won't fly, and the Dem Congress will work with him to change the arrangements.
NTodd, 198 Tees In The Woods
Interesting how that agreement was hammered out just in time for the election. We have to rememeber that the actual Republican date for leaving is never. Anyhow, my guess is that if Obama gets us entirely out sometime during his first term, that will suffice to get him re-elected. I suppose it could hurt him during the midterms, but I somehow don't see too many Republicans running against Democrats on an "out of Iraq now" platform.
what's a few trillion?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/...33-
329EA57CB069
.Yes, America's economy is a war economy. Not a "manufacturing" economy. Not an "agricultural" economy. Nor a "service" economy. Not even a "consumer" economy.
Seriously, I looked into your eyes, America, saw deep into your soul. So let's get honest and officially call it "America's Outrageous War Economy." Admit it: we secretly love our war economy. And that's the answer to Jim Grant's thought-provoking question last month in the Wall Street Journal -- "Why No Outrage?"
"I was watching "I Love Lucy" today and got boiling bad."
I remember one where ricky drugged lucy. Can't remember why but none of the characters seemed to think he couldn't.
it's part of why I tell my sons that if they ever mistreat women they will risk my serious displeasure.
As Candide said: We must tend our own gardens.
The question is how big is your garden, and where?
john calvin might have disagreed with this.
dirk gently,socioapathetic
One more reason I abandoned the Calvinism of my youth.
There was one scene where he's going on about how she had to learn the value of a dollar.
Otherwise she might have blown $13 million...
Well, yes. But as I said it depends on how serious one views the current system and how likely a revolutionary change would be. Like counting corpses in the two cups of the scales.
Echidne | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:42 pm | #
Agreed. But the answer to the question how likely would a revolutionary change be in this country as it is currently constituted is approximately zero.
Hey! We resent that!
Ms. Fastow's 6th Grade Class | 08.23.08 - 2:42 pm | #
"Joe Biden is the right partner for Barack Obama. His many years of distinguished service to America, his seasoned judgment and his vast experience in foreign policy and national security will match up well with the unique challenges of the 21st Century. An Obama-Biden ticket is a very impressive and strong team. Biden's selection is good news for Obama and America."
Makes me want to kiss Chuck Hagel.
One more reason I abandoned the Calvinism of my youth.
Rmj, Edouard Theologist | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:45 pm | #
touche, robspierre
The question is how big is your garden, and where?
NTodd, 198 Tees In The Woods
A: it ain't that big.
"The propaganda about sex roles perpetuated by the media in the 1950s was relentless."
hell I remember in the late 70s we were still hit with "no wife of mine will ever work" in sitcoms
Otherwise she might have blown $13 million...
How many billions has Bush blown?
Certainly I'm not any more enthusiastic about Obama being President with Biden as VP than I was with Obama being President, period.
But I am still ecstatic that Clinton won't be standing anywhere near Obama when he's inaugurated.
And whatever impact Obama's election has on reproductive rights, the choice of Biden as VP makes zilcho difference.
It takes a special kind of stupid/evil to turn an opportunity for positive change after 8 years of suck into an excuse to vote for more suck. It's beyond fucked up, frankly.
I know these Hillary hardliners exist because I've seen them speak. Whether they are "for real" is another question but the sooner they dry up and die, the better off we'll all be.
Terry C is playing hard to get. She's interested for sure. Oh my is this going to be fun. Maybe I should ignore
Agreed. But the answer to the question how likely would a revolutionary change be in this country as it is currently constituted is approximately zero.
That's why I have never been for that particular tactic. But if the tactic consisted of a massive withdrawal AND the creation of a new party (not Nader's) then it might work.
Seriously, whom were you expecting that you are so deeply disgusted with Biden?
Biden is not only a corporatist - he is a Company man. He is a Democrat in name only. He will and has sold out any possible position for any combination of influence and power that is possible to acquire - and has been doing so his entire career. In short, he is the archtypical long term Village senator. There's not a dime's worth of difference between Biden and probably 90% of the rest of the Senate. 'Democratic' or 'Republican'.
That is the point. What we now have are two men who are so dedicated to getting along, placating whomever they need to placate in order to achieve whatever agenda has their allegiance, that we do -not- have Democratic Party candidates. We have representatives of the Village, of Our Crowd inside the Beltway, of the perceived wisdom, of consensus politics.... Truthfully, it was probably foolish of me to both hope for someone -other- than Biden. Biden was probably inevitable. Now, in order to elect the Democrats, we shall all have to bite our tongues when we're reminded that some things just have to be this way - we have to understand that there must be a decent consideration for other opinions when the question of unions comes up, or Iraq or civil rights.... and be told to go slowly, not upset things because, after all, there are Supreme Court positions on the line, there are the issues involving illegal occupation of another country that generated profound repression in the name of 'safety' and goodness knows the Corporatist/Company Republicans would be so much worse....
Whom was I expecting? Someone not of the Village. That was, in retrospect, not likely.
The thing that's even more infuriating is this was a written script that she probably had to go along with. I would guess that in real life the situation was quite different.
Not that those shows aren't infuriating, but that was the character she played, it made her very rich. IRL, she was a pretty sharp and ruthless executive, according to an article I read a while back. Desi was the creative producer, she was the executive.
Hagel said that? Interesting.
I cant wait for the David Broder column saying that the Biden pick seals the doom for Obama.And then goes and eats a steak at John McCains ranch.
A: it ain't that big.
Mine's the size of the US, though I tend to focus on a particular plot within it.
i see someone still doesn't understand what the "Name:" field is for.
Killfiling | 08.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
killfile is merely a convenience. scrollwheels and self-discipline accomlish the same thing.
"Hi, we're two out-of-touch white guys with multiple homes and we wanna tell you how to live"-- John and Mitt.
hell I remember in the late 70s we were still hit with "no wife of mine will ever work" in sitcoms
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
In the real world, I noticed that the same guys who said that were the first ones who dumped their wives down the road.
With no job skills.
Back from my run and now I have to pick teenager up from work and take him school shopping.
However, I have realized there is a ticket I can support wholeheartedly:
Starbuck/ Apollo '08
I need a t-shirt.
have fun, you crazy kids.
How many billions has Bush blown?
As many as the Democrats, including Hillary, let him!
We have to rememeber that the actual Republican date for leaving is never. Anyhow, my guess is that if Obama gets us entirely out sometime during his first term, that will suffice to get him re-elected
blerb | 08.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
I would agree with that if I wasn't convinced we're going to be bogged down in an even more horrific and pointless quagmire in Afghanistan.
You want a revolution in this country? Then advocate for another war and a draft.
"The question is how big is your garden, and where?"
it's about the size of a school.
it's in the heart of philadelphia.
the other one is in the next room.
The Dems will be left in the wilderness, particularly since they know that the country essentially is liberal in terms of values and policies.
We've said for decades that the public favors our positions. And we've said for decades that if we just got decent turnout we'd win every election in a walk. And all we've gotten is DLC hacks because they manage to win elections and they do it by going where the votes are.
Going where the people are doesn't win elections. Come november, votes will be counted, not how many lurkers support us in email.
So the big "Outside Lands" concert is being held in Golden Gate Park this weekend.
Supposedly you can see a live webcast. Haven't checked it out myself, but...
NTodd are you supplying Atrios with a complimentary set of armor?
No, it's strictly Bring Your Own Asbestos And Kevlar. Otherwise I'd need to do another Bikeathon!
How many trillions has Bush blown?
fyt
killfile is merely a convenience. scrollwheels and self-discipline accomlish the same thing.
Self-discipline?
As in you responding to me?
biden is going to disappoint even more than...well, i'll save that for later.
I really don't see that, NTodd. If I withdraw from a system I cannot (for whatever reason) support, I don't effect change in that system. The change is in me.
i disagree. it depends on what you mean by 'withdraw.' if one chooses not to pay for tv, or taxes, if one grows all the food needed and barters in the community instead of shopping at corporate stores, that sort of thing, each of those actions can have an impact. small, sure, but it is real.
i find these sorts of discussions funny, for they often lack one singularly important point. which is: increase the number of voters by 3-7%, and you can truly shift tectonic plates. that's usually enough to swing an election, historically. the reason i know 'there is no difference' bw the parties is because i know that dems know this, but take little meaningful action on that knowledge. they are happy with the village just the way it is, and have3 no real interest in populism or helping people.
Not that those shows aren't infuriating, but that was the character she played, it made her very rich. IRL, she was a pretty sharp and ruthless executive, according to an article I read a while back. Desi was the creative producer, she was the executive.
BlueinColorado | 08.23.08 - 2:47 pm | #
That was my point. She was playing a character that was exactly the opposite of how she was in real life, and it wasn't seen as satire.
I should change my nym to Stunt Goddess.
You want a revolution in this country? Then advocate for another war and a draft.
Stunt Woman | 08.23.08 - 2:48 pm | #
Yeah, that whole Revolution in the 60s was wildly successful.
Total victory is ours, Comrades!
We are mostly regulars, just having fun playing with different nyms. We are you!
We've said for decades that the public favors our positions. And we've said for decades that if we just got decent turnout we'd win every election in a walk. And all we've gotten is DLC hacks because they manage to win elections and they do it by going where the votes are.
In other words, the default behaviors need to be disrupted.
God, I'm listening to MSNBC, which I thought I missed during the Olympics.
No one is saying anything I couldn't hear in a conversation in my livingroom. Just a bunch of cocktail speculation.
God forbid these yammerers had to be prepared to talk about things substantive.
I think Eugene Robinson could do it, but the rest . . . absence played upon my memory, I guess.
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"I was watching "I Love Lucy" today and got boiling bad."
I remember one where ricky drugged lucy. Can't remember why but none of the characters seemed to think he couldn't.
it's part of why I tell my sons that if they ever mistreat women they will risk my serious displeasure.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
He's bitching about her not knowing the value of a dollar, but she wasn't allowed to work.
Even all those years before she had Little Ricky, she wasn't allowed to have a job.
I'm glad I was a kid during the 1950s because if I had been an adult, I would have cut my wrists.
What a depressing time for women!
How many trillions has Bush blown?
As many as the Democrats have let him.
Even all those years before she had Little Ricky, she wasn't allowed to have a job.
But she was allowed to give them!
Uncle Blodge
You should say things like that in a slightly elevated voice in laundry mats, coffee shops, gyms, grocery stores, etc.
His house sorted looked "compound-ish" during the stake out coverage.
Whom was I expecting? Someone not of the Village. That was, in retrospect, not likely.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Well, Wishy-washy and sold-out as these guys may seem, one thing that will be new about this situation is that for the first time in 14 years we will have both a Dem administration and congress. We will now perhaps at last see what these people will do when every last vestige of the dry powder excuse has been stripped from them. I hold out quite significant hope in that.
Desi was the creative producer, she was the executive.
Desi=McCain; Lucy=Cindy.
Then advocate for another war and a draft.
Do YOU have draft-aged kids?????
Yeah, that whole Revolution in the 60s was wildly successful.
I think it was successful in many ways. Just because the country is still totally screwed up doesn't mean that some aspects of life here are much improved.
Okay, getting ready to head into the city for my trad Saturday evening's quaffing of elitist chardonnay with my satanic Commie buds.
In my absence, I wouldn't be upset if you could take a look at the interesting Marquis de Sade: misunderstood niceguy or not? discussion over at Box Office. Not to mention our poll of the best film adaptations of literary classics EVAH!
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...special-
pri.php
Talk to you all on the morrow, one assumes.
In other words, the default behaviors need to be disrupted.
Their behavior is to go where the votes are, not where the people are. Withdrawing from the system moves the votes further right. Their response will not be disrupted, it will be reinforced.
Yeah, that whole Revolution in the 60s was wildly successful.
I think it was successful in many ways. Just because the country is still totally screwed up doesn't mean that some aspects of life here are much improved.
Indeed, despite what some people think, the movement did push us out of Vietnam, certainly faster than we would've left had people sat around just bitching in their own homes. The failure was to maintain momentum after what really was a tactical victory--we didn't consolidate the revolution and allowed the MIC to continue ruling our lives.
Do YOU have draft-aged kids?????
Of course not. But I don't need that sort of existential threat to get me totally pissed off and ready to fuck shit up.
But most people do.
NTodd & Rmj are actually talking about different things -- maybe they're right & maybe they're wrong - it depends
Rmj - you didn't abandon the Calvinism of your youth -- it was predestined!
I don't get to involved in politics (for one thing, it's illegal) but I always pull the donkey lever (well I did when we had voting machines -- mechanical ones that counted the votes -- remember that quaint concept?)
This government has always looked differently from the perspective of a white male with adequate money & that of a person who didn't fit that category -- whether a black really thought slavery was preferable to what a Native American felt about genocide -- well, it probably depends ...(the Cherokee did own slaves, after all - many of the Seminoles were ex-slaves or their descendants)
"You should say things like that in a slightly elevated voice in laundry mats, coffee shops, gyms, grocery stores, etc."
I do whenever I can.
Ah well, so it's Biden after all. I was secretly hoping for Dean, but I'm not known for practicality. *sigh* Okay. Coulda been worse.
Their behavior is to go where the votes are, not where the people are. Withdrawing from the system moves the votes further right. Their response will not be disrupted, it will be reinforced.
MikeJ | 08.23.08 - 2:53 pm | #
I agree. We already have less than a 50% voter turnout as it is, and look at the results.
Our role is to get more of those people to vote, not to withdraw along with them.
Their behavior is to go where the votes are, not where the people are.
That's only true because the voters (being people with votes) have their own default behaviors.
Withdrawing from the system moves the votes further right. Their response will not be disrupted, it will be reinforced.
As I said, I'm not convinced. And since we continue supporting the status quo as voters and consumers, not just politicians, it will not change. Time for something new...
I think it was successful in many ways. Just because the country is still totally screwed up doesn't mean that some aspects of life here are much improved.
Stunt Woman | 08.23.08 - 2:53 pm | #
AGreed, but my point was that we actually didn't have a revolution in the 60s. (Or the 30s, for that matter). We had social upheaval in both cases, but that does Not a Revolution Make, apparently.
Which says to me that it's not gonna happen any time soon, no matter if they bring the draft back or not.
As in you responding to me?
i was responding to someone else. i personally never use killfile, nor do i suggest it to others. i'm happy to reply to a comment that either deseves or needs a reply, why shouldn't i?
i merely pointed out that some moronic asswipe piles of fuming fetid puss don't understand what the word "name:" means as a label in an entry form. on of those stinking, foul, disguting assholes suggested that it was to avoid killfile, and i told it why such an attempt at ideas was beyond it. now i am responding to what i assume is the same despised, friendless, lowly ghoul who still hasn't learned either manners or computer skills simply because i choose to.
i really don't see why you would have a problem with that you pathetic waste of carbon.
Do YOU have draft-aged kids?????
My oldest wasn't draft aged when Bush started this mess. She almost is now.
we don't need a revolution. we need a return to the constitution, enforced regulation, properly progressive taxation, and a 'space race' style initiative to get right with altenergy and the environment. really, as bad as things are, it's a short list of things to get us back on track. i dream of a truth and recon comm, but i know that'll never happen until every last DLC and DINO is in the ground or in jail.
If you want to build a successful third party on either side of the establishment ones, you need to do it from the ground up. That's all there is to it. Until you get a bunch of city council seats, mayorships, and state legislative seats, you have little business meddling in national-level politics, and none getting involved in the presidential race.
We already have less than a 50% voter turnout as it is, and look at the results.
The problem is that people don't vote out of apathy and disillusionment, not as a tactical choice in a strategic campaign with coordinated, announced goals regarding change. The tactic of boycotting parties or elections is not done in a vacuum, and not just "dropping out of the system." It's part of an escalation throughout which you have submitted your demands vocally to the opponents.
later
Uh, Uncle Blodge
I meant it would be good for your social life. [winky thing]
Oh no, Camp Obama, I feel a tidal wave coming on. Later folks.
"You should say things like that in a slightly elevated voice in laundry mats, coffee shops, gyms, grocery stores, etc."
I do whenever I can.
I was in a "family diner" in downtown Marshfield Wisconsin a few weeks ago bitching about Bush. I could feel the heat from the some of the fat white rubes around me. I just talked louder.
Fuck those people.
I predict a new thread in 105 minutes....
http://flightaware.com/live/flig.../flight/
SWA2420
In other words, the default behaviors need to be disrupted.
NTodd, 198 Tees In The Woods | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:49 pm | #
try reversing the polarity on the phase circuit transforational matrix!
You say you want a revolution?
Time for something new...
Agreed. but the way to effect change is to bring more people into the system, not drive them out.
Of course not. But I don't need that sort of existential threat to get me totally pissed off and ready to fuck shit up.
But most people do.
Stunt Woman
And that's why Nixon did away with the draft. So the Middle class would not bitch about their kids being used for fodder.
I'll note that Progressives withdrew from the Democratic Party in Vermont and we now have a viable 3rd party. It has seats in our House and is fairly competitive in other statewide races, including the Constitutional offices like Gov and Lt Gov.
So as chidy said, 'withdraw' can mean various things, but in this context it doesn't mean "not being engaged"...
Until you get a bunch of city council seats, mayorships, and state legislative seats, you have little business meddling in national-level politics, and none getting involved in the presidential race.
DING DING DING DING DING!
The kewpie dolls are just FLYING out of here!!!
imagine being so insecure and universally despised that you had to pretend to be someone else every time you spoke in a desperate bid to have your ramblings heard, even though the very next time you spoke you had to change your name again because, no matter what you say, no one likes you.
what a miserable existance that must be.
And I should add that the last time we had Dems controlling both houses, there were perhaps even more phony Dems, and the public was quite fed up with their various abuses of power from having been in control for so long. They were ripe to be toppled by the Gingrich/Limbaugh axis. I think that this Democratic mandate will have more legs than that.
I was in a "family diner" in downtown Marshfield Wisconsin a few weeks ago bitching about Bush. I could feel the heat from the some of the fat white rubes around me. I just talked louder.
Fuck those people.
Stunt Woman
How stupid are some people that they STILL support/defend/apologize for that miscreant mass murderer?
Is it that they just don't want to admit that they made a mistake and picked a loser?
try reversing the polarity on the phase circuit transforational matrix!
I CANNA CHANGE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS!!!
If you want to build a successful third party on either side of the establishment ones, you need to do it from the ground up. That's all there is to it. Until you get a bunch of city council seats, mayorships, and state legislative seats, you have little business meddling in national-level politics, and none getting involved in the presidential race.
Word. Plus it makes your local community a better place to live, a sort of haven even if you take it far enough.
try reversing the polarity on the phase circuit transforational matrix!
dirk gently,socioapathetic
I tried that and the over-unity rectifier began oscillating wildly
Howard Fineman just now
The two men, as men, are going to like each other very much.
Well, okay then.
I agree with Brooklyn Girl & Chicago Dyke (& would rather spend time with them than NTodd anyway)
I've been reading up on Biden, this morning, because, well, except for a sound byte here or there, I really didn't know much about him.
He seems like the kind of guy that, the more you get to know him, the more you like him...
Sort of the anti-Lieberman...
I tried that and the over-unity rectifier began oscillating wildly
Scotty | 08.23.08 - 3:02 pm | #
it always worked on the tardis
if your not near a tv you can watch the obama rally at cnn.com
we don't need a revolution. we need a return to the constitution,
==
Well, yes. That's going to require an unequivocal repudiation of the last 8 years and every criminal act these crooks have pulled off. I'm not sure Obama even has the time.
Do YOU have draft-aged kids?????
i confess to going back and forth on this one. people are often deeply stupid, and lazy, and the culture of consumerism and fear have done horrible things to american intellectualism on average. so while i agree, it's a great evil to send poor kids off to die for imperialist wars, there is also the truth that our little Movement has failed, failed, failed, to stop the war or elect truly populist leaders, because we are too few and don't have control over the product that directs most americans' thinking (the SCLM). i'm not a religious person, but i understand the reasons why the ancients thought there was a need for blood sacrifice. too often, nothing else wakes up the sacrificial sheep.
I'll note that Progressives withdrew from the Democratic Party in Vermont and we now have a viable 3rd party.
Earlier you were talking about withdrawing from electoral politics. Withdrawing from a party isn't even close to the same thing.
Agreed. but the way to effect change is to bring more people into the system, not drive them out.
They wouldn't be driven out, they'd walk out on their own if the system continues to not function properly, nor the parties follow their will.
That's the point. You don't just up and leave one day on a whim: you do other things that build to that as a last resort. So look at Oregon's voter participation with 2 weeks of vote by mail as an example. More people engaged, and rather progressive politics.
But if you had high participation and somehow the pols didn't do what you wanted year after year, you have to escalate and the biggest threat to them is loss of monies and votes. They can't walk away from a history of "centrist" votes and all of a sudden win over right wingers.
Michelle Obama is gorgeous.
I don't know how they're going to do it in this heat. It's over 90 here. It's gotta be backing in Springfield, which I guess is about 300 miles south of Grand Rapids.
try reversing the polarity on the phase circuit transforational matrix!
dirk gently,socioapathetic
Using genuine inter-rossiter parts!
There's Michelle. She looks lovely.
Steve just left for the city. I have a great idea. Let's take up a collection and get him a great gift to show our apprediation.
We are so lucky to have such a great and humble man here on Eschaton. Why he could go anywhere, he's big time, but he choose to spend his time with little us. I will put in $100.00.
The two men, as men, are going to like each other very much.
Cue wah-wah guitar: wokka-chikka-wokka-WOW! wokka-chikka-wokka-WOW!
Richard Wolffe is in Springfield, and the heat shows on his face.
Earlier you were talking about withdrawing from electoral politics. Withdrawing from a party isn't even close to the same thing.
Actually, they are the same thing. I've suggested withdrawing as a bloc as a threat against an established party, and that can take different forms: one is to withdraw en masse from a party, and another is to withdraw from the electoral system as a way to demonstrate resolve and power to said party (or parties).
it always worked on the tardis
Nuh uh
It's a question of acquiring a taste for jumped-up cock suckers.
And somehow, I find it difficult to imagine Joe Biden laying out a comprehensive plan (or arguing for one) to deal with the collapsing economy.
Oh....Michelle's the one next to the cleavage.
imagine being so insecure and universally despised that you had to pretend to be someone else every time you spoke in a desperate bid to have your ramblings heard,
what a miserable existance that must be.
dirk gently,socioapathetic | 08.23.08 - 3:00 pm | #
This is where I was trying to go with the idea of Obama grew up in Hawaii, he is more laid back, less negative. He will not win if he is not himself. He seems comfortable in his own skin. Others around him need to go negative, hence Biden.
I have never had an addictive personality and then enter the "Crack Den."
Men's basketball gold medal game. LIVE tonight at 2.30AM. NBC.
The fresh Obama/Biden signs look cool.
Perhaps if people read more about the 198 Methods instead of mocking people who write about them and erecting strawmen positions ("if you don't do these things, you're bad"), the notion of tactics, strategy and escalation might be more clear.
The two men, as men, are going to like each other very much.
usually that point is made in comparison to mccain and his presumed choice, the mittster, who hate each other.
This new troll tactic of changing nyms to foil killfile (once...once) is going to increase the usage of said killfile program.
Loudly proclaiming that you're killfiling a troll isn't exactly going to discourage him, particularly given that the whole point of his antics is to generate angry responses.
Richard | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 2:36 pm |
I find just letting my eyes glaze over works pretty well...
ob live in springfield....
trains running on time.
you know, it all depends on which system you withdraw from in order to change which system.
it would be nice to be able to affect change to the democratic party, and perhaps it is not possible to affect that change by withdrawing from it.
but it is quite possible to not give a shit about the democratic party per say, let it go on just as it has, and still affect change to the democracy at the same time. heck, we disrupted the baath party, and look what happened in iraq.
wait, maybe that isn't the best example.
holy crap. they're actually starting on time. a good omen.
I agree with Brooklyn Girl & Chicago Dyke (& would rather spend time with them than NTodd anyway)
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 3:02 pm | #
And somehow, I find it difficult to imagine Joe Biden laying out a comprehensive plan (or arguing for one) to deal with the collapsing economy.
GWPDA yclept Damaged
I dont think anyone has ever been able to save a fiat monetary/economic system thruout history.
Huge number of white males in the audience to see Obama. But the media narrative says they don't like him!
Alright Barack, time to earn your pay buddy.
I was in a "family diner" in downtown Marshfield Wisconsin a few weeks ago bitching about Bush. I could feel the heat from the some of the fat white rubes around me. I just talked louder.
my folks lived in WI for 6 years, and in a very white (like, all white but for us) rural, xtian, 90min away from anything approximating civilization, community. i have to stand up for the people of WI. i never once had a moment in which people treated me as racists do, and i found the local public radio to be wholly and unabashedly progressive. i'm sure there are racists and fascists in WI like every other state, but WI is a fine place for progressives to live.
later, bats. phone call.
They can't walk away from a history of "centrist" votes and all of a sudden win over right wingers.
And they won't be able to win over left wingers either, but more importantly it won't matter. If the left doesn't vote nobody will try to court their vote. Which is where we've been for several decades now.
done now. Off to watch the speech and go get lunch.
Happy-looking Obama.
Nuh uh
Bones | 08.23.08 - 3:05 pm | #
what do you know? you're a doctor, not an electrical engineer.
usually that point is made in comparison to mccain and his presumed choice, the mittster, who hate each other.
nona
I WOULD say that PERHAPS McStain might have to re-think his presumed choice but there IS no one else, is there?
And somehow, I find it difficult to imagine Joe Biden laying out a comprehensive plan (or arguing for one) to deal with the collapsing economy.
use your credit cards.
you know, it all depends on which system you withdraw from in order to change which system.
Indeed. And there are different levels of intervention that you can bring to bear at different times.
Sitting at home doesn't do anything. Fortunately, those who advocate withdrawal don't suggest people sit at home and do nothing. They suggest refusing to provide consent and in lieu of that, do other constructive things.
BTW, I changed computers, so camelot, nasty nun is the same as camelot.
Just watch for the puncuation errors.
If the left doesn't vote nobody will try to court their vote. Which is where we've been for several decades now.
The left does vote now.
Obama: hellllloooooooo Springfield!!
Are the Simpson's in teh House?!?!
Homer: Woo-hoo!!!!!
Marge: hush!!
Obama: Thanks Dick Durbin!
Bart: he said "dick"!
Homer: hee hee
Lisa: [ rolls eyes]
Marge: Hmmmmmmmmmm
I like it that she teaches at a community college. Maybe some good exposure to "real people." I went to cc for my first two years and taught part-time at one for years.
Thank God I missed the invocation.
And somehow, I find it difficult to imagine Joe Biden laying out a comprehensive plan (or arguing for one) to deal with the collapsing economy.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
I think that once he's veep, he will no longer be beholden to all the corporate interests of Delaware. That may help quite a bit. As to coming up with a comprehensive plan, I hope that's done by a team of economists and resource specialists andf not any pol.
I like it that she teaches at a community college.
Who does?
If the left doesn't vote nobody will try to court their vote. Which is where we've been for several decades now.
if the left voted more vociferously left in primaries and local elections, the mainstream national candidates would see greater advantage in courting their votes in the generals.
Too bad Steverino's gone, but Mark Evanier has a great post about - of all things - "With Six You Get Eggroll."
Check out the photos at the top and see if you can identify the actors (who are named at the end of the post).
It will be 10 full time jobs to undo Bush's Executive Orders.
what do you know? you're a doctor, not an electrical engineer.
I slept at Holiday Inn last nite and I did rewire Spocks brain once. =P
Huge number of white males in the audience to see Obama. But the media narrative says they don't like him!
George Johnston
On the other hand, McCain's crowds have very few women.
And even fewer people of color.
Yay! CoT!
Obama: props to Rep. Tubbs Jones!
Obama: holy shit almost 2 years ago and said i was gonna be president and no believed it
Crowd: yayyyy
Obama: as i've traveled all across america i realized this one truly fucked up nation
Crowd: yeah!!!!!!!
Obama: The Time for Change has come
Crowd: Wooooooooo!!!!!!
Sitting at home doesn't do anything.
==
But, Laurel and Hardy are on all day!
Jaysus, this thing is over 2 hrs long.
Who has the keys to this jalopy?
WELL, USE THEM ALREADY!!!!
somehow, I find it difficult to imagine Joe Biden laying out a comprehensive plan (or arguing for one) to deal with the collapsing economy.
I know there won't be one from a Johnny Mav administration.
So my choice is made.
Elaine Kamarck on "PUMAs", at Salon:
Schaller: This brings us to the next question, which is, how much do you anticipate that Clinton supporters could be a serious problem for Obama at the Democratic convention? Are these PUMAs [Party Unity My Ass] and Just Say No Deal people a fringe element, and is it just going to be the media paying attention to them because there's a story there but, ultimately, Hillary Clinton and her people are sitting on them? Or could this spin out of control?Elaine Kamarck was one of the founders of the New Democrat movement that helped elect Bill Clinton president, and served in the Clinton White House from 1993 to 1997. She was a senior policy advisor for Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000, and has been a public policy lecturer at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government since 1997.
Kamarck: Because I was a member of the rules committee, I've been bombarded by these folks for some months now. And there are two or three major groups that send out massive numbers of e-mails each day with bizarre, unsubstantiated rumors in all of them.
I will tell you they feel like Republicans to me. The whole business smells like a Republican front. I've been through intra-party battles, Mondale and Gary Hart and Carter and Kennedy, I was in the middle of those battles and this is not the way Democrats fight each other. And so something's wrong here. Something's weird here. I don't quite believe it. Now if I get to Denver and there's a significant Hillary revolt, I'll have to eat my hat, but I think this is an Internet phenomenon. And it smells to me like a Republican front.
I was handing out Dem literature at the farmers' market today. Lots of folks, and these are mostly NPR Dems who bring hemp bags to the farmers' market and buy VA wines, were v happy w Biden. Reminds me of how on the fringe I am. I ain't forgetting Anita Hill.
Opening graph from an email from Hillary
I want to congratulate Joe Biden on becoming the vice presidential running nominee.
Joe is a friend and colleague, a strong experienced leader and a devoted public
servant. I look forward to not only seeing him in Denver next week but on the trail
as I work to help Barack Obama and Joe Biden along with many other Democratic
candidates campaign this fall.
Mr Fuschia, you're still here?
Don't you ever do housework?
It wouldn't kill you to clean the toilet once in a while, fer Khrissake...
Yay! CoT!
camelot, nasty nun
YAAAAYYYYYYY!
I did rewire Spocks brain once.
Yeah, but Spock had to talk you through the last half.
"I will tell you they feel like Republicans to me. The whole business smells like a Republican front. I've been through intra-party battles, Mondale and Gary Hart and Carter and Kennedy, I was in the middle of those battles and this is not the way Democrats fight each other. And so something's wrong here. Something's weird here. I don't quite believe it. Now if I get to Denver and there's a significant Hillary revolt, I'll have to eat my hat, but I think this is an Internet phenomenon. And it smells to me like a Republican front."
And the lady is 100% correct.
On the other hand, McCain's crowds have very few women.
And even fewer people of color.
Word.
Obama: I've searched America for a decent capable white man
and searched
and searched
Crowd: yay!!!
Obama: and i did not find that man -- so I finally picked Joe Biden
Crowd: WHOOOOOO!!!!
Obama: he is uniquely suited to be my attacked dog who is also acceptable to the D.C. media
Crowd: clap clap
chicago dyke -- sorry to miss you
Brooklyn Girl -- come sit on me ...
A friend of mine taught the Obama girls in the University of Chicago Lab School & knows both the parents (mother better than father, of course) & likes them very much as people (not the same as politics, of course, but still ...)
i remember playing billiards as a kid. one always tried to find an easy shot to sink - if not, at least a makeable shot. if none of those were available, the trick was getting the cue ball to a place where one's brother didn't have a shot next.
but sometimes, when the balls were all clustered around the same place and there was nothing else to do, you'd just slam the cue ball into the middle and scatter them to change the layout of the table. we'd usually announce this, saying "i'm gonna send'em for a ride!"
sometimes this same srategey works in politics.
Being born in Scranton was a trial?
In other news, I scored some amazing green zebra tomato/habanero gellato on my way out of the farmers' market.
I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary as Senate Majority Leader.
Better than the Dickless Wonder, Harry Reid.
Senator Obama, aren't you forgetting something?
Senator Biden voted for the same war that you lambasted Hillary for which effectively kept the nomination from her...
Sitting at home doesn't do anything
Phone calls, baby.
Data entry.
Hecate
In case you read through other threads, what I said to GWPDA and ql goes for you too.
& knows both the parents (mother better than father, of course)
Why "of course"?
Brooklyn Girl -- come sit on me ...
You're an Episcopalian, aren't you?
Being born in Scranton was a trial?
George Johnston | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 3:16 pm | #
you're thinking of salem.
Obama: Joe Biden was born in Buffalo to Tim Russert's father
this was so traumatic he developed a stutter
Crowd: [ laughs ]
Obama: then he became a single father which as we all know is a sign of elitism
and rides a train every day which as we all know is a sign of Communism
Crowd: YAYYYY!!!!!!!
Yeah, but Spock had to talk you through the last half.
Touche!
D'oh! Don't tell us how sick BIden is!
There's Michelle. She looks lovely.
That's nice. Is she running for something?
Senator Biden voted for the same war that you lambasted Hillary for which effectively kept the nomination from her...
Elias
He lambasted Biden during the primaries, as well. The vote for authorization wasn't what kept anyone off the ticket.
Joe Biden wrote and sponsored the violence against women act.
Crowd: YAYYYY!!!!!!!
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 3:17 pm | #
thanks for providing alternative media coverage, as always.
Got the first floor of my house cleaned earlier.
Have to tackle the upstairs.
Kids going to a fundraiser for folks who lost their house in a fire.
I'll wait till they're out and start that job.
Don't look forward to cleaning the bathroom. Never do.
and rides a train every day which as we all know is a sign of Communism
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
...and votes for a war while being labeled the "Foreign Policy Expert Extrordinaire" which is a sign of?
There's Michelle. She looks lovely.
That's nice. Is she running for something?
Silly! She's a girl! Girls can't run for things! But it is v important for them to look lovely to prove that our leaders have big dicks.
I thought Anita Hill was lovely, too. Biden, not so much.
Obama: then he had brain aneuryism - let's face it, between living in Scranton, a childhood working in the Dunder Mifflin paper mill, and catholic school the man has had it rough
Crowd: CLAP CLAP CLAP
FFS stop talking to Alias. No good will ever come of it.
My better half said she heard Tweetie tell a story about Biden's old man when he enrolled Joe in Catholic school in Wilmingon when the family moved there when Joe was 10.
Joe had a stuttering problem at that age and started stuttering when trying to answer a nun's question. The nun started berating young Biden for stuttering.
Biden's father said, "If you ever speak to my son that way again, I'll snatch that bonnet off your head."
heh.
owls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sitting at home doesn't do anything
Phone calls, baby.
Data entry.
I'd like to amend my remark: Sitting at home doing nothing doesn't do anything. ;-P
I thought Anita Hill was lovely, too. Biden, not so much.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I had completely forgotten that.
I guess because Specter was the much bigger asshole in that.
Silly! She's a girl! Girls can't run for things! But it is v important for them to look lovely to prove that our leaders have big dicks.
i am too much of a gentleman to make the obvious comment.
He lambasted Biden during the primaries, as well. The vote for authorization wasn't what kept anyone off the ticket.
SteveLG
~~~~~~~~~~~~
It was the single most important issue he ran on.
It's the reason he's the Democratic nominee.
And he just chose someone who contradicts it all...
Obama: he looked Slobodan Milosovic in the eyes and told him he was a terrible dresser
he's met with dictators and been with war zones and he even went to Georgia and at at the only Italian restaurant in Atlanta - the Olive Garden - that my friends is sacrifice
Crowd: yayyy!!!!!!
Has is been on corporate media about the stutter and aneurysm?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...id=opinionsbox1
kinsley on how the Goopers turn their presidential opponents greatest strength--dukakis, kerry--and now OB, against them:
But nothing can be too American for American political parties at convention time. So the notion that "images of a cheering throng" could backfire on the Democrats is pretty remarkable. As a matter of logic, it's hard to see any connection at all between Obama's ability to attract a crowd and the question of whether he has been sufficiently "tested." And yet, it's true. Even though Ronald Reagan might have found it hard to believe that there was something wrong with cheering throngs, Republicans are making an issue of Obama's popularity, and the Democrats have to be careful not to overdo things.
the only Italian restaurant in Atlanta - the Olive Garden
hey!
Hecate --
Because Michelle is in Chicago & Dad is in DC
Brooklyn girl --
Why, yes -- why do you ask?
Joe had a stuttering problem at that age and started stuttering when trying to answer a nun's question. The nun started berating young Biden for stuttering.
Biden's father said, "If you ever speak to my son that way again, I'll snatch that bonnet off your head."
Well I like his old man.
billy b | Homepage | 08.23.08 - 3:20 pm
Good for her!
My dad was one of these "If you come home and tell me the nun hit you, I'LL hit you again!"
My mom said "Oh no you won't. I want to hear my child's side of the story. A habit doesn't make someone perfect."
Biden smiling as he prepares to accept the bucket of warm spit.
My fellow Americans,
I AM BUTLER!!!!!!
sheets
the Goopers turn their presidential opponents' greatest strength--dukakis, kerry--and now OB, against them:
You're not allowed to be smart and urbane.
That's unAmerican.
Yes, I'm the Texas aggie. I live in Austin...
The nun started berating young Biden for stuttering.
Bitch.
I ain't forgetting Anita Hill.
We're quite wrong, Hecate. We're old women with long memories and that is simply no longer permitted.
I'm off to take care of my house.
I value your experiences and widsom, GWPDA and you too Hecate, dammit.
My friends, Ron Fournier is a sprinkly donut chompin' asshole who doesn't even have the common sense to marry a drug-stealin' beer-shillin' homewrecker. What kind of a fucking journamalist is that?
Oh, and steve hussein simels: you forgot about Roman Polanski's film adaptation of "Rosemary's Baby", which managed somehow to film the book literally word for word yet still was even more creepy and suspenseful than the book was in the first place.
I just read steve simels comment about how there was no revolution during the '60s, which is quite true. But it made me wonder what the '60s would have been like - the outcome of the Vietnam War, the presidency of Nixon, etc., - if the Internet had existed then in the same way that it does now. Any thoughts?
That's "beeress" if you please.
The numbers published by OpenSecret are an indication of how dishonest and incomplete our information on these public figures is. The richest person in Congress has a net worth of $410,000? This is a joke.
Oops, that's $410 million, not $410,000. Nevertheless, the numbers on the lower end are pretty phony.
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