I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
First? (Sorry, I couldn't resist!)
Morning.
I'll call sheets.
Yoink!
Where do you think "pregnant chads" came from?
NTodd
When a mommy chad and a daddy chad love each other very much....
Zoinks!
Godammit. Every time I say anything even remotely witty or interesting he puts up a new thread.
Is Schuster back from his suspension yet?
Where do you think "pregnant chads" came from?
NTodd
I know this! Something that tastes like chicken.
Listen, the repugs would not survive period if not for the hate spewed by Ann and Rush.
Rush has himself in such a pickle right now over McStain he is doing extra drugs to make it through this mess.
I vote with my cock.
NTodd, Löving Führer
Thus the appeal of Kucinich and his Teh Hawt wife.
Hate sells! And in capitalist America that's all that matters.
In a rational, decent world would Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Savage, et. al. have a national platform?
They'd be lucky to have a soapbox in park with 3 people listening.
The supposed anti McCain rhetoric is reverse spin.
They'll fall in line once the ticket is set.
Good morning.
Plane ticket for EC 2 has been bought.
I rock!
Tralfaz,
He's back on the 22nd.
Anytime I hear someone mention 'Rush Limpballs' - I Immediately say "you MEAN comedian and practicing drug addict Rush Limpballs"?
I don't see how anybody can responsibly put A. Hart Coulter on the air. It's irresponsible.
Nicole Kidman as Valerie Plame.
Hmmmm
Thanks res ipsa and ql.
The bad part of this cold is that I have no appetite which is bad for the diabetes.
Everything tastes disgusting.
Ugh.
I've been eating soup.
Barndog, you got that one right!
Ann Coulter is an individual who is stealing the air she breathes from someone who deserves to have it! And, Foster's piece so accurately presents the fact that MSNBC doesn't get it! Even KO is now beginning to make comments that have no basis and feed into the "sensational" or "breaking news" mentality of CNN/MSNBC/FAUX NEWS that promotes more stories of cultural focus than anything helpful/useful/factual that might inform the public they should be SERVING!! We know who their masters are...Matthews and Carlson should be banned from airwaves much as Savage and Coulter ...they do spew HATE and have no objectivity. We are sad to see COUNTDOWN go the way of the rest...we had long enjoyed it! The occasional "rant" in the form of a SPECIAL COMMENT doesn't make up for the crap!
Matthews lashed out at the Clinton campaign, saying that Clinton should "get rid of the kneecappers that work for her," referring to her communications staff who go "after the press."
I agree, because kneecapping has apparently not worked. She should just have done with it and hire herself some ballcutters.
In a rational, decent world would Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Savage, et. al. have a national platform?
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Rudy | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 9:49 am | #
Please remember, you are talking about human beings, not rational creatures.
Nicole Kidman as Valerie Plame is too glamorous. I'd prefer Kate Blanchette or Laura Linney.
Dancer, KeithO called out MSNBC for showcasing Coulter on the air. Could you have done that much?
A. Hart Coulter is the the crazy lady with the cats.
The poor seal... he'll be traumatized for ages.
Molly Ivors
Well.... yeah.
It sucks to be a seal
He takes a lot of shit, but I luv my guv.
Dancer
Your concern is deeply appreciated and noted.
More than six years ago, Matthews said of Clinton, "I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for."
I wonder what he thinks she "stands for?"
BTW, did you all know I'm an obsessively self-important sycophant? Please update your Excel spreadsheets accordingly.
tristero has a good post up over at digby's recounting how the right frames and gets out their message.
How did we (collectively) become so hate-filled or tolerant of those who are which is almost as bad?
Y'know, it occurs to me:
John McCain = Bob Dole, minus the charisma and warmth.
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He's back on the 22nd.
res ipsa loquitur
Wow. I'm surprised that it was that long (and that the network actually enforced it).
MSNBC is the ratings whore that the rest of the MSM is, even if they have some redeeming features like KO and (lately) Dan Abrams.
Which is why they permit a moral degenerate and hate-monger like Coulter on air.
Carlson should be banned from airwaves
But Tucker looked so cute in his blouse on Dancing With The Stars.
It sucks to be a seal
No, that's just the vanilla ice cream.
The occasional "rant" in the form of a SPECIAL COMMENT doesn't make up for the crap!
Yeah, okay.
Why is k&y using a sockpuppet?
Jeebus fuck, NTodd.
Why do you always get the crazies?
He takes a lot of shit, but I luv my guv.
Molly Ivors, Blue
Me too. He actually thinks higher education is important, unlike our the previous worthless governor.
More than six years ago, Matthews said of Clinton, "I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for."
tell us Chris, do you like Hillary?
but you fucking have little opinion about W - oh right, you pushed the have a beer with meme...interesting Chris...vedddy interestink!
when it was revealed that fonda caused NBC to apologize, the same story said that NBC has apologized for shit Matthews said on air in the past (i dunno what)
FU, hellascum
Speaking of framing and repeating the talking points, Van Natta this morning on Gore's efforts re the superdelegates:
“He’s probably the only unaligned person with the kind of stature to step in to that role and have a real impact on this.”
Several allies said that because of Mr. Gore’s bruising defeat in 2000 presidential voting in Florida, he would have the credibility with Democrats to carry the message that the will of the people should be respected.
"Bruising defeat"? No, Mr Van Natta, the SCt stopped the recount so you and the other minions wouldn't have to admit Gore WON FL.
Why do you always get the crazies?
Because they always get me. I mean, I did call that person a fuckdork...
Why do you always get the crazies?
It's his magnetic personality. Just a big asshole magnet.
see you next tuesday, mann.
Nicole Kidman as Valerie Plame is too glamorous. I'd prefer Kate Blanchette or Laura Linney.
Hope Davis wold also work.
I wonder what Tweety's mother was like? I have a Dem friend who hates Hillary. His mother was a dominating, hateful woman.
I've told him I think his vehemence regarding Hillary have a lot to do with his deceased mother.
He denies it of course.
KO said last night that Hillary has weird periods of anger and when they come on she airs a negative ad against Obama. He didn't quite say they were monthly, but close enough.
NTODD!
OMG!
Press the ignore button on that stupid machine.
There is something mentally wrong with that one other than just being a normal troll. Stalking comes to mind.
MSNBC is the ratings whore that the rest of the MSM is, even if they have some redeeming features like KO and (lately) Dan Abrams.
Which is why they permit a moral degenerate and hate-monger like Coulter on air.
Rudy | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 9:54 am | #
That's unfortunately not true. Otherwise the higher ratings for liberal shows would have changed their lineup fundamentally years ago.
How did we (collectively) become so hate-filled or tolerant of those who are which is almost as bad?
noblejoanie
Twas ever thus, I'd say. Hate and fear are easy emotions to appeal to. That is the entire secret of Republican success. Liberals only get a fair shake when there has been a collapse or bloodbath of some kind, and those emotions are briefly replaced by remorse.
Van Natta is a self-important prick. I knew him in college.
Why do you always get the crazies?
I would love to see NTodd riding the subway here on a daily basis. I'm sure he would draw every freak walking the pavement in meatspace, too.
He actually thinks higher education is important, unlike our the previous worthless governor.
Yep.
Now if we could just get rid of fucking assessment mandates...
Because they always get me. I mean, I did call that person a fuckdork...
I'd say it's your vocabulary of insults that you've gathered from bad 80s movies about a bunch of guys on spring break, or something.
Why do you always get the crazies?
It's NTodd's pheromones.
I vote with my cock.
Talk about a spoiled ballot.
el--comment at bottom of Avedon's thread asking for link and suggestion about Prius problem. Which you may have already done, but worth a try.
I agree, because kneecapping has apparently not worked. She should just have done with it and hire herself some ballcutters.
blerb, self-reeferential
Maybe if they hired Shane Stant.
From below:
I vote with my cock.
NTodd, Löving Führer
There is that too, but you are very small.
Rudy
Flexed Your Tarantula, RudY
"Rush Limbaugh Is Trying to Tear the GOP Apart
By Eric Boehlert, Media Matters for America. Posted February 15, 2008.
Hey, GOP, that's quite a Noise Machine you've constructed. Now good luck trying to dismantle it.
Rush Limbaugh, the marauding Frankenstein's monster of the Republican Party, is on the loose again, causing all kinds of political damage with his signature off-balance swings. But as has become his custom recently, the pain from Limbaugh's rampage is being felt by his creators -- his enablers -- inside the GOP."
http://www.alternet.org/mediacul...aculture/76962/
It's his magnetic personality. Just a big asshole magnet.
This is, of course, why he goes pantless.
Notice we're whupping up on MSNBC and no longer even bothering with Fox or CNN?
Not that Tweety, Coulter, etc don't deserve it.
He takes a lot of shit, but I luv my guv.
Molly Ivors, Blue
Molly!
I met him yesterday!
let's see ko do a special comment on the dead woman they found in scarborough's office a few years back.
I would love to see NTodd riding the subway here on a daily basis. I'm sure he would draw every freak walking the pavement in meatspace, too.
I do. I also am like the Pied Piper with kids and animals. I think it's because I make eye contact.
Last King of Crawford.
And this is special: Ecopsychology?
I vote with my cock.
Talk about a spoiled ballot.
sidhra صيذ&# | 02.16.08 - 9:59 am | #
or a pregnant chad.....
This is, of course, why he goes pantless
I concluded this also. I just chose not to mention it.
I met him yesterday!
(swoons)
Because they always get me. I mean, I did call that person a fuckdork...
Did you offetr to cut off their head and shit on the bleeding and open stump?
WTF is going on with this Digby-Aravosis thing? Weird.
I think it's because I make eye contact.
Rube.
There needs to be more media kneecapping. Hopefully Obama's campaign is prepared to do some...
'Tis true. If you're pantless, you'd better keep making eye contact.
WTF is going on with this Digby-Aravosis thing? Weird.
Do I even want to know?
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??
(swoons)
Molly Ivors
Wish I'd met him on Thursday. I would have given him a "LUV U" Conversation Heart.
No one must criticize anything Hillary does, ever.
I vote with my cock.
so does mAnn Coulter.
"I vote with my cock.
NTodd, Löving Führer"
keep it off my touch screen.
.There needs to be more media kneecapping. Hopefully Obama's campaign is prepared to do some...
Tralfaz
This is Obama's achilles heel, because to hold on to his magic above-the-fray armor, he has to manage that sort of thing in a very discreet way.
Digby is responsible for AmericaBlog's trolls. Or something like that.
"so does mAnn Coulter.
jane fonda"
HA! Many different polling places too!
Never mind. I just found out myself.
Aravosis really needs to back off.
I'm not sure what calculus MSNBC uses to program it's political shows but I doubt that the popularity of KO is the dominant factor.
I don't have the facts or figures but there have got to be a lot of rightwingnut TV junkies out there who constitute a considerable TV/radio audience.
Otherwise how or why would anyone keep Tweety, Tucker or Scarboy on?
To say nothing of the continued "success" of Fux News.
I just heard on the radio that the IL guy who shot up that school bought his gun from the same internet gun dealer as the kid that shot up VA Tech.
The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
No one must criticize anything Hillary does, ever.
or praise her, ever. unless having batshit crazy obama supporters beat you over the head with the corpses of 600,000 dead iraqis is your idea of a good time.
So what the repukes have is Hitler's Germany without the Hitler.
Their hate filled bile is spewed by many but it has no direction.
The religious zealots, the corporate zealots, the immigrant zealots, the fear of everything zealots have no one who can unite them in their hate.
Did you offetr to cut off their head and shit on the bleeding and open stump?
I didn't even offer to gouge out their eyes and skullfuck them. I just said this was a snarky place and called them a fuckdork. Then I observed it was being very Process Trollish.
No one must criticize anything Hillary does, ever.
plantsman, | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:02 am | #
Can't criticize Obama either.
Fuck it! Let's all pile on McCain!!!
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The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
res ipsa loquitur
Dunno, but if he believes in God, he's got some 'splaining to do.
I was kind of surprised that KO labeled the ads put out by Clinton as "negative," but, for Dems, anything other than a love fest is "negative."
For others, comparisons and pointing out flaws in a plan are considered part of getting out one's message and informing the pubic.
Now, if shows like KO's covered the issues in a compare/contrast format of, oh, a bit longer than Worst Person in the World, mentioning such things wouldn't be considered "negative." They would be reinforcing things voters who pay attention the the MCM would have a chance of knowing.
I mentioned below that I searched for "Obama healthcare plan" on the NYTimes site and fot four hits, all from 2007--and one was an op-ed by an insurance company exec. All that newsprint--and four, count'em, four articles. Beginning in May, ending early December. None in 2008 when the voter interest in primaries picks up.
Gee, I wonder why the Times is having to lay off 100 newsroom employees....
(Yeah, I do know in economic downturns ad revenue goes down, and the internet is impacting newspapers bottomlines. But--if newspapers really offered value for money, maybe they wouldn't lose so many readers.)
The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
No one could have foreseen that they'd actually *use* them!
I think I'll open a gun store/bar and call it "The Angry Loner."
The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
Better than good - to someone who'd go to that level in "making a statement".
I just heard on the radio that the IL guy who shot up that school bought his gun from the same internet gun dealer as the kid that shot up VA Tech.
The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
Very good I would have said.
The mentally disturbed read the papers too.
Digby is responsible for AmericaBlog's trolls. Or something like that.
All a ploy to generate more traffic.
i'm almost ready to give up on countdown itself thanks to the man love exchanged between tweety & ko during the primary coverage.
I think I'll open a gun store/bar and call it "The Angry Loner."
Heh. I always liked the name of the gun store on The Simpsons: "Bloodbath and Beyond".
This is Obama's achilles heel, because to hold on to his magic above-the-fray armor, he has to manage that sort of thing in a very discreet way.
blerb, self-reeferential
I think the key may be to divide the media. Get some on your side so that when you need to go after a media figure, at least half of the press is ready to make it a story for more than a single news cycle. Also, the grassroots can help (blogswarms, etc...)
Rudy,
I think you may have a point about your friend.
We're all Baby Stewie now.
I think I'll open a gun store/bar and call it "The Angry Loner."
Make it a chain and open 'em up around campuses.
And sell bulletproof vests, as well.
Jesus Christ.
Guns should be as hard to get as "the morning after pill" in Bible belt America.
I'd rather be Cartman.
"The Scholar's Revenge" would be a good name, too.
You have got to wonder how long it will take the American public to figure out that if you just make it take a few weeks to obtain a weapon like this, this kind of thing will almost never happen, and every responsible law-abiding citizen will still be able to own one if they want. Anybody who wants a gun and can't wait a couple of weeks or a month to get it probably really shouldn't br given one. Sigh.
The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
Probability clearly was approaching 1.
I think I'll open a gun store/bar and call it "The Angry Loner."
Heh. I always liked the name of the gun store on The Simpsons: "Bloodbath and Beyond".
in orlando, there are a number of "guns and pawn" shops.
WT - it's the American way!!
There is a gun store in the next town from me named PMS Guns.
The gun dealer was on the radio saying, "What are the odds that this would happen?"
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:03 am | #
I am suprised he didn't say, 'business really picked up after that VA thing.'
wt,
Well, maybe "The Scholar's Revenge" could be the college town ones, and "The Angry Lover" for your strip malls and rural areas.
No one must criticize anything Hillary does, ever.
plantsman, | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:02 am | #
The level of stupidity and misogyny in many of the attacks on her makes it complicated. The same for Bill, who I detested, but found myself defending against Scaife-babble.
Did you offer to cut off their head and shit on the bleeding and open stump?
I didn't even offer to gouge out their eyes and skullfuck them. I just said this was a snarky place and called them a fuckdork. Then I observed it was being very Process Trollish.
Just a love tap to a thin skinned nematode.
You have got to wonder how long it will take the American public to figure out that if you just make it take a few weeks to obtain a weapon like this, this kind of thing will almost never happen
once again life imitating the simpsons:
homer in a gun shop wanting to buy a gun, the owner says he needs to wai...homer then says: "but i'm angry now!"
"Northern Ill. University: Was the Killer Crazy, or the Campus Hopeless?
By Mark Ames, AlterNet. Posted February 16, 2008.
Bracket this massacre as the work of an lunatic on drugs, and you miss the chance to consider the horrors of life in middle America."
http://www.alternet.org/stories/77226/
I guess that web site where these kids bought their guns is based in Green Bay.
Maybe the town is just sick of being thought of as only a football town.
We will probably have a massacre-a-month thanks to the easy availability of guns in America.
The gun lobby and their stooges in Congress will argue that the victims are to blame for not carrying guns with which to defend themselves.
In fact, Kay Bailey Hutchison was saying just that after a recent shooting rampage.
Stupidity in America has been raised to the level of an art form.
or praise her, ever. unless having batshit crazy obama supporters beat you over the head with the corpses of 600,000 dead iraqis is your idea of a good time.
kidlacan | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:03 am | #
Yesterday on here, I said that Jim McGovern's endorsement of Hillary means a lot to me and my opinion of her has gone up since NH - and I got told that an Obama zombie like myself can't possibly have those opinions.
These gun store puns are really killing me.
once again life imitating the simpsons:
I found myself the other day saying "I'll just die if Portugal loses".
School and mall shoot-em-ups seem to just be a blip on the news anymore. We're getting used to them.
Just a love tap to a thin skinned nematode.
is that like "a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat"?
The last time I said anything about guns on this board, a very creepy drive-by troll responded, which caused me not to post for a while (and to change my posting alias)...
Stupidity in America has been raised to the level of an art form.
Rudy
I'm not just being snarky when I say that funamentalist religion is probably the root of the problem.
is that like "a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat"?
Say no MORE!
Make it a chain and open 'em up around campuses.
And sell bulletproof vests, as well.
Jesus Christ.
Explosive vest store.
Vests O Virgins.
Maybe we could create bulletproof vests that look like tuxedos.
.I think the key may be to divide the media. Get some on your side so that when you need to go after a media figure, at least half of the press is ready to make it a story for more than a single news cycle. ...Tralfaz
That would certainly be a good strategy if he can do it. Fearless media champions for a liberal candidate might be hard to come by, though. Especially since everybody seems to be in love with Huggy Bear. But whatever he does when attacked, he needs to keep his own hands clean.
"Northern Ill. University: Was the Killer Crazy, or the Campus Hopeless?
By Mark Ames, AlterNet. Posted February 16, 2008.
Bracket this massacre as the work of an lunatic on drugs, and you miss the chance to consider the horrors of life in middle America."
http://www.alternet.org/stories/77226/
pigboy | 02.16.08 - 10:09 am | #
Jebus, they misspelled my friend Deanna's name.
The massacre-a-month phenomena in gun-crazy America will probably be relegated to the "non-news" level of the MSM, just like the war in Iraq has been.
Bob Somerby has pointed out that it is dangerous for Dem politicians to point out the failings of the MCM, and that is a major reason he rails against what there is of lib/prog outlets for not naming names and holding MCMers' feet to the fire.
If a Dem pol does this, the reaction is just what we got from Tweety. They can say whatever they want, and since they are not held accountable, they get away with it. Attack, smear, denigrate, belittle, misstate, truncate...they can do it all.
Please recall that when Bill Clinton said the MCM reporters were not doing a good job of informing the public about Hillary's proposals and Obama's, that's when shit really began to thrown the Clintons' way. The MCM brooks no insubordination from Dem pols.
So, no, Obama himself cannot go after the MCM--nor can his close surrogates. We need media figures who are willing to do so. But, unless the EJDionnes and--help? who else is there???? Unless people with platforms like EJDionne go after their MCM peers, the MCMers are not going to change. They know from where their paychecks come.
Will the magic protect Obama??? I doubt it, but I'm hoping for the best. But, of course, hope is not a plan....
Maybe we could create bulletproof vests that look like tuxedos.
Or those t-shirts that LOOK like tuxedos!
Yesterday Rachel Maddow listed all the campus shootings since 2000 and it was fucking depressing.
Just college campuses.
Good morning, all.
If you smell patchouli coming from the south this morning, I know what it is ...
Over the past few years, the killings leapt from the K-12 schools to universities. Not the top universities, which seems significant to me, but rather to obviously-second-rate universities, as well as the third-rate "vocational" schools.
Way to dis the Hogies, dude.
The massacre-a-month phenomena in gun-crazy America will probably be relegated to the "non-news" level of the MSM, just like the war in Iraq has been.
Rudy
Unless needed.
See also: "Missing white woman"
is that like "a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat"?
Say no MORE!
NTodd, Löving Führer
Say, govenor, do you like Steve Reeves movies?
Well, the University of Phoenix Online should see a jump in enrollment...
I'm not just being snarky when I say that funamentalist religion is probably the root of the problem.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:12 am | #
It contributes a lot, but a lot has to do with the way American society rewards Jeff Spicollis and pretty people. Why be smart if you're gonna win on American Idol?
Maybe we could create bulletproof vests that look like tuxedos.
Molly, have you seen this shirt?
If you smell patchouli coming from the south this morning
You been using my patchouli & tea tree soap?
Way to dis the Hogies, dude.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed! | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:15 am | #
Canuckians aren't safe either - Concordia had a good massacre.
Well, the University of Phoenix Online should see a jump in enrollment...
watertiger
You may be onto something! This could change how all education in America is delivered in the future.
It could be a selling point for colleges:
"We haven't lost a student to stray bullets in fifteen years!"
God, this country is so mentally ill.
but a lot has to do with the way American society rewards Jeff Spicollis and pretty people. Why be smart if you're gonna win on American Idol?
Gilly Gonzylon
I see that as a symptom, more than a cause.
Calvinism for the reptilian brain.
Or those t-shirts that LOOK like tuxedos!
Better yet!
Oh and I love how cable news likes bringing up the possiblity of arming EVERY student.
Their 'thinkers' for sur
Canuckians aren't safe either - Concordia had a good massacre.
rootless-e
The École Polytechnique Massacre.
Sorry pals, but gotta disagree with the brains here. While MSNBC sucks, they are not the enemy. Don't nuke 'em. Massage 'em. Save your big weapons for FOX & ABC - these networks make MSNBC seem like a mere piker.
But WTF do I know.
The École Polytechnique Massacre.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed! | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:17 am | #
Geeks with Guns.
Not the top universities, which seems significant to me...
Random gunfire deaths at top tier universities are reported as fraternity hazings.
The last time I said anything about guns on this board, a very creepy drive-by troll responded, which caused me not to post for a while (and to change my posting alias)...
All because of puns?
Yeah, they could put guns at stategic locations around large classrooms, in those "break glass in case of emergency" lockers.
Molly, have you seen this shirt?
Wow!
(bookmarks for Thers's birthday)
Coulter is a scourge-it's bad enough she's in the bookstores, but I can't believe I see her books in the public library.
All because of puns?
gubs.
Yeah, that Alternet article was a pile of shit. Lots of throwing about of assertions with no data to support it.
It could be a selling point for colleges:
"We haven't lost a student to stray bullets in fifteen years!"
Huge, emotional issue at my school. The prez wants to arm our officers.
Yeah, that Alternet article was a pile of shit. Lots of throwing about of assertions with no data to support it.
smitty w, nine-fingered
Anyone who would suggest that Va. Tech is a "second tier university" don't know shit.
While MSNBC sucks, they are not the enemy.
umm, they are owned by GE: one of the largest warmongering companies in the world...KO on Moyers was revealing, i don't think KO is as 'Liberal' as I'd wish, he just felt the need to go off on Rummy, and that one time is what catapulted his popularity
Bob Somerby has pointed out that it is dangerous for Dem politicians to point out the failings of the MCM
Let me get this straight. Limbaugh or Bush or Rove goes after the "liberal media", and the MSM fall all over themselves putting David Brooks and William Safire and Bill Kristol and Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter on their pages and their broadcasts. E.J. Dionne or Obama or either Clinton goes after them, and ... they fall all over themselves pounding on Dionne, Obama or Clinton, and putting on Coulter, Buchanan, Brooks, etc etc etc.
Sorry, but I think Bob Somerby is full of it.
The first lesson of dealing with bullies is: you have to hit 'em back, and much, much harder than they hit you.
It's the Chicago Way. It's the only way that works.
Tell the world that they're lying. Prove that they're lying. Tell their audience: if you listen to these guys, they are going to make fools of you, exactly as they did in 2000. Remember, they told you Bush was gonna be a uniter, that life was gonna be great, that he'd restore honor to the White House. How'd that work out for you?
MSNBC keeps these people coming because people keep watching to get incensed. It's the oldest trick in the book. There is no bad publicity, and if Ann Coulter, Don Imus, Mike Savage are getting people upset, then someone must be watching to get upset.
If you want to stop this mentality, then the only way is to effect MSNBC's bottom line and the only way to do that is to boycot the advertisers on the shows on which these hateful people appear.
But it is much easier to just complain about them, which gives them more publicity, which means they will be on even more.
In the future all students will be educated in their homes by the Internet. Their homes will be secure redoubts surrounded by bullet-proof glass and impregnable walls.
Teachers will report to a "university center" where everyone will be cavity searched for weapons and then allowed into studios from which to deliver their lectures.
This will cut down on the massacres and make America the model of public education once again!
Yeah, they could put guns at stategic locations around large classrooms, in those "break glass in case of emergency" lockers.
The way I pace in class, it wouldn't help me. Hell, I can't even get over the phone and the emergency protocols thingy.
.I'm not just being snarky when I say that funamentalist religion is probably the root of the problem.
JR, kerosene and a match
I'd say that shitty educational standards are the rich compost in which all kinds of stupid beliefs and attitudes grow. We do a barely adequate job in this country of identifying exceptionally talented students and training them to do the really hard things. As to the rest, we pretty much let them rot as if education wasn't important for anybody who was not going to be a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer.
Forget that. Thers needs a trip to Des Moines for his birthday.
Huge, emotional issue at my school. The prez wants to arm our officers.
Rent-a-cops with guns. Always a great idea.
Anyone who would suggest that Va. Tech is a "second tier university" don't know shit.
Well, in fairness, it was Michael Vick's school. 
Canuckians aren't safe either - Concordia had a good massacre.
rootless-e
And Univ Montreal
Rent-a-cops with guns. Always a great idea.
Now I want to watch "Armed and Dangerous"...
a wise man once said that without religion, good people would do good and evil people would do evil, but to get good people to do evil takes religion.
Rent-a-cops with guns. Always a great idea.
NTodd, Löving Führer | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:22 am | #
Minimum wage and maximum caliber.
The prez wants to arm our officers.
Don't forget the 400% rise in tuition to pay for it either.
.Yeah, they could put guns at stategic locations around large classrooms, in those "break glass in case of emergency" lockers.
If they really wanted it to be fair, they'd have guns just lying around all over the place. And grenades, too, like they do in Halo. Life needs to become a better FPS, I say.
Molly, have you seen this shirt?
Wow!
It should be the "Dan Hicks" t-shirt.
I mean you really do look like Dan Hicks..... just sayin
I just saw a clip of Obama yesterday on Clinton's negative campaigning. Here's what he said:
"I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."
"Periodically when she's feeling down?"
Well, that explains it. It must be that time of the month.
It costs as much to keep a person in jail as it costs to keep a person at Harvard.
Bingo!
Combine prisons and universities.
24 hour study lockdown. With tear gas.
the sorriest news outlet:
JON FRIEDMAN'S MEDIA WEB
MSNBC is the 'we're-sorry' news network
Commentary: The out-of-control network needs discipline
Last update: 12:01 a.m. EST Feb. 15, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Yes, MSNBC consistently has the lowest ratings among the cable news channels. But all is not lost. It does stand out in one underappreciated category: embarrassing, mealy-mouthed apologies.
The latest example of this happened after reporter David Shuster declared that Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign had "pimped out" her only child, Chelsea, who had been calling celebrities and Democratic superdelegates to seek their backing.
Shuster apologized (natch). ...
...But it wasn't the network's first gaffe involving Clinton. Previously, Hardball host Chris Matthews apologized, presumably under corporate pressure, for positing that Clinton had achieved political success because "her husband messed around." Desperately in need of leadership These expressions of contrition seem to occur only after MSNBC has been publicly flogged and needed to repair its image, and they sound (to me) disingenuous and self-serving. ...
Voila! MSNBC could start promoting itself as the "We're sorry" network. To keep up the momentum, it should next apologize to its parent company, General Electric, for its lousy ratings, boorish newsmen and all-around irrelevance.
The network also needs some discipline in its ranks. It could use a top executive with strong ethics and news sense, someone who will take no nonsense from the network's loose cannons and will forcefully remind these "journalists" that their obligation is to inform the public, audition material for a guest spot on "Saturday Night Live's" Weekend Update.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/...e&
dist=printTop
Minimum wage and maximum caliber.
Cool ... there's talk about starting a state-level MoveOn.org-type organization here ... called "Progress Florida." 
If they really wanted it to be fair, they'd have guns just lying around all over the place. And grenades, too, like they do in Halo. Life needs to become a better FPS, I say.
blerb, self-reeferential
-----------------------
they could hand out free guns like some colleges hand out free condoms. All for the safety of the students.
Look - Fight the battles that we can win, that matter strategically, and that ones that really matter. With MSNBC we only have one out of three of those points.
Praise and ignore the irritants, destroy the real threats.
And sometimes the irritants can still be used to help destroy the real threats.
But I don't know shit so just ignore me like always.
Rent-a-cops with guns. Always a great idea.
NTodd, Löving Führer | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 10:22 am | #
On a power trip too boot.
Teachers will report to a "university center" where everyone will be cavity searched for weapons and then allowed into studios from which to deliver their lectures.
Um, we have that. It's called distance learning and podcasting.
."I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."
Did he really say that? Bad, bad move, Barack.
From that Alternet article, proving yet again just how stupid the author is:
Speaking of not very nice people, DeKalb's most famous son is Joseph F. Glidden, was the inventor of barbed wire.
One of the students killed in Illinois yesterday had been in Iraq.
She finished her tour of duty there and came home to "safe America" to be shot and killed.
Maybe the fact she was safer in Iraq will be used in recruitment ads to boost military enrollments.
Doesn't anyone use claymores anymore?
Good morning, dear friends.
This does not include the trolls.
Don't forget the 400% rise in tuition to pay for it either.
If we *don't* do it, it will be because of the cost.
But they've already bought the gun locker.
But I don't know shit so just ignore me like always.
Troutski | 02.16.08 - 10:25 am | #
The counter argument is that MSNBC is the easiest to take on. If you win there, you can move on to bigger targets.
I do not think Team Hillary has gamed it out though. Hope I'm wrong.
Um, we have that. It's called distance learning and podcasting.
Really? With cavity searches?
[/runs out of the room]
I mean, if this fight gets to where he's going to hit her with a coded sexist put-down and dare her to come back with crytpo-racism, we really do stand a great chance of loosing the whole enchilada. Howards Dean needs to get them both in his office and kick both of their asses again.
Doesn't anyone use claymores anymore?
Heh, there's a scene in Jarhead where Fergus asks Swof which way to point the claymore.
"Front toward enemy. That might be a clue."
But they've already bought the gun locker
If that ain't par for the course.
Did he really say that?
Of course not.
I hope.
I should have posted the whole paragraph:
Speaking of not very nice people, DeKalb's most famous son is Joseph F. Glidden, was the inventor of barbed wire. The university's most famous living graduates, are Dan Castellaneta, the voice actor for Homer Simpson, and slimeball Republican Dennis Hastert, who famously declared after Katrina that certain "neighborhoods" [read: black and poor] should be "bulldozed" rather than rebuilt. So there you have it: DeKalb's most celebrated citizens are a pair of creeps and and the voiceman for the epitomal American loser.
Of course, this article couldn't actually get, you know, published.
Doesn't anyone use claymores anymore?
*sigh*
Oh, for a good poleaxe...
[waits for the obvious culprits]
It costs as much to keep a person in jail as it costs to keep a person at Harvard.
Bingo!
Combine prisons and universities.
24 hour study lockdown. With tear gas.
I need a new job.
"Front toward enemy. That might be a clue."
I laughed at that one pretty good.
I didn't like the Alternet article either, but I did notice a good one over there by Barbara Ehrenreich. Obama's Campaign: An Emotional Escape Hatch from the Bush Era
But I don't think any tweakings of the candidate or her message will work, and not because Obama-mania is an occult force or a kind of mass hysteria. Let's take seriously what he offers, which is "change." The promise of "change" is what drives the Obama juggernaut, and "change" means wanting out of wherever you are now. It can even mean wanting out so badly that you don't much care, as in the case of the Ron Paul voters cited above, exactly what that change will be. In reality, there's no mystery about the direction in which Obama might take us: He's written a breathtakingly honest autobiography; he has a long legislative history, and now, a meaty economic program. But no one checks the weather before leaping out of a burning building
Of course not.
yes, he did. saw it on the tv last night.
Had a cavity search last month, at the same time as a lecture about flossing.
Did anyone catch Sully on Maher last night? This guy acts as though he never supported BushCO or its war or any of these other Republican fucktards.
I resent him being able to shovel all his shit down the Memory Hole.
Molly,
Check your email once more (with feeling), please.
I'm sure a few of the students in my large intro class have been packing heat, at one time or another. We have a huge diversity of kids from all over and they have a lot of stuff going on in their lives. I'm not going to hide behind bulletproof glass to teach...
Gromit, good morning, sir
yes, he did. saw it on the tv last night.
Hoooooollllleee.
Shit.
RIL: we can haz movee?
yes, that's obama's comment:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/
20080...usa_politics_dc
Oh, for a good poleaxe...
[waits for the obvious culprits]
[whistles nonchalantly]
I'm sure a few of the students in my large intro class have been
packing heat, at one time or another. We have a huge diversity of kids
from all over and they have a lot of stuff going on in their lives. I'm
not going to hide behind bulletproof glass to teach...
We have a no weapons policy on campus. I'm sure that's not stopping kids. But I taught behind bulletproof plexi at Juvie back in the early 80s, and I, too, won't go there again.
I think all the guests on Maher last night did a spit-take when Sullivan mentioned his husband.
I mean, if this fight gets to where he's going to hit her with a coded sexist put-down [...]
blerb, self-reeferential | 02.16.08 - 10:27 am | #
I hate this whole theory that there are coded messages in every statement of every candidate.
Ah. The Great Big Scots Sword claymore. I was thinking of the Claymore mine, something I seriously hope is never set off in a classroom.
Hi Sallyh! Sunny in Vermont today, and the temp has rocketed up from 1° to 14. Woo hoo!
Tweety has been THE outstanding smearer and destroyer of Dem pols' reputations since the Clinton administration. Along with the writing skills of MoDo and Frank Rich almost alwasy among most emailed), he did some of the worst hatchet jobs on Dems.
Al Gore? Would do anything to win, including "lick the bathroom floor." Two years of that shit--and Gore won the popular vote, but got tripped up by Theresa LaPore's butterfly ballot and the Supreme Five.
But Tweety and his ilk made the election close enough for that to happen.
Try to imagine what the current primaries would have been like if the MCM had covered the freakin' issues and the pols' policies and proposals? Instead of $400 hair cuts, cackles, auras, straight talk, etc.
Imagine there were issues imagine there were comparisons, contrasts, analysis--imagine news was reality-based, not gossip.
Oh, well. I had hoped the MCM would be better given how badly BushCo and its Wonderfully Awful Adventures turned out. Not happening.
Of course not.
I hope.
Molly Ivors
I think he did. That's where Keith picked it up, only he used the word angry.
Sorry, but I don't think (or would like to think) that Barack wasn't referring to the monthlies when he said that.
I mean, a politician has never said anything stupid, right?
Gromit, and I was grumbling because it's 47 here.
News item today that insurgents in Iraq are now booby-trapping buildings with bombs since their roadside bombs have been less effective lately.
Now they instigate an assault on one of these buildings and then blow them up when the US military enters or attacks in close proximity.
Those damn insurgents! Changing the way they attack to keep killing US soldiers and innocent civilians.
Who would have thunk it? (Certainly not Bushboy).
the problem, inter alia, is that Obama doesn't clarify that he's talking about the campaign, not Hillary herself.
Oh, for a good poleaxe...
[waits for the obvious culprits]
Nice little straight line you got there, lady.
I wouldn't want to see anything happen to it.
Things happen.
Maybe if you came to class with an M-60 machine gun, and a few thousand rounds...
Saw a flock of robins on the morning walk. Lost of bird chatter. And I'm looking at a female cardinal on the feeder right now.
Chris Matthews has said Republicans "have a right to fear" seeing a "majority Latino population"; when his guest defended America's "tradition" of welcoming immigrants, Matthews retorted, "Do you live in a Mexican neighborhood?"
We don' need no steenking Mexicans.
RIL: we can haz movee?
The Kenosha Kid
We can. Then we can haz drinkee with simels. What movie?
Hi Sallyh! Sunny in Vermont today, and the temp has rocketed up from 1° to 14. Woo hoo!
Even the Dogz didn't want to linger during Morning Rounds.
Gromit, and I was grumbling because it's 47 here
We havent been above 28f the entire week. It was stuck in the teens for most of the time.
[whistles nonchalantly]
[looks at watch]
Right on schedule!
I'd swear you were Swiss.
Wait! Are you. . .[gasps]. . . mimi?!
the problem, inter alia, is that Obama doesn't clarify that he's talking about the campaign, not Hillary herself.
Yeah, he should've done that, at least.
I toldja and toldja and toldja and toldja! Our Al's got his mitts on the Convention's throat and he's going to end up the only one standing. Wooohooooooo!
if i were al gore's manager, this song would be my anthem:
Vindicated
NTodd, did yours freeze before it hit the ground?
I hate this whole theory that there are coded messages in every statement of every candidate.
rootless-e
It's not a theory in this instance. That's pretty blatant. I understand even Andrea Mitchell and Norah O'Donnell were pretty taken back by it on the air.
I know that Obama's "really" saying that when Hillary's campaign is down after a primary, they go on the attack, but dayum that choice of words sure is close to, you know...
What movie?
There Will Be Charlie Wilson's Cloverfield
Wind chill was minus 26 Commie degrees this morning, although it's warmed up considerably since then, to minus 11 presently.
I hate this whole theory that there are coded messages in every statement of every candidate.
rootless-e
Well, if he wasn't meaning to accuse Hillary of having PMS, he should have chosen his words more carefully. Periodically? Come on. If he wasn't somewhere in his mind thinking about ways to put her down by insinuating she was on the rag, he would never have chosen those words.
I'd swear you were Swiss.
Wait! Are you. . .[gasps]. . . mimi?!
Cover blown!
NTodd, did yours freeze before it hit the ground?
It's not that cold. But there was shrinkage.
And I'm looking at a female cardinal on the feeder right now.
looking at a bunch of bluejays eating the dry cat food out on the back step.
At least they have the good sense to wait until the cats leave.
For once, we're supposed to be having really fine weather this weekend, followed by rain during the work week. Highs predicted around 70 today and tomorrow.
I drink your milkshake.
I drink it up.
"A number of senior Democrats, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and three candidates who have dropped out of the 2008 race, former Senator John Edwards and Senators Christopher J. Dodd and Joseph R. Biden Jr., have spoken with Mr. Gore in recent days."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/
1...fQ19OmtcD0lG6tA
No way am I seeing "Cloverfield."
And I'm looking at a female cardinal on the feeder right now.
love 'em...with their little orange beaks, they are soo cute, the males are whorish with their RED feathers and their little 'cheep' sound
oh good, now Hillary can get her feelings all hurt again, and Bill can put on his big bad Daddy outrage and go after Obama.
I agree with Obama. When the chips are down the Billary teams goes on the attack. Same as the republicans. Speaking as a woman, if you want to find some double meaning in what Obama said, so be it. It's still the truth. When things get hot, Hillary heads for the low road. Proving again that she is the same old same old, and not part of the change that everyone is looking for.
It's not a theory in this instance. That's pretty blatant. I understand even Andrea Mitchell and Norah O'Donnell were pretty taken back by it on the air.
arsom | 02.16.08 - 10:34 am | #
Andrea Mitchell and Norah O'Donnell hate democrats and will put the worst possible spin on any statement.
It's not that cold. But there was shrinkage.
Does that mean discounts behind the Tastee Freez?
Re: Obama, Bill, etc...
Should there be slack given for Freudian slips?
Just asking...
accuse Hillary of having PMS
Pretty sure she's past that.
Disclaimer: Not personal knowledge.
Later, folk.
Should there be slack given for Freudian slips?
Not if they're sticking out from under their dresses.
Man...I think we're gonna get above freezing today!
It's not that cold. But there was shrinkage.
NTodd, Löving Führer
What is less than zero?
Well, if he wasn't meaning to accuse Hillary of having PMS, he should have chosen his words more carefully. Periodically? Come on. If he wasn't somewhere in his mind thinking about ways to put her down by insinuating she was on the rag, he would never have chosen those words.
blerb, self-reeferential | 02.16.08 - 10:34 am | #
For fuck's sake, what possible motive would he have for a stupid PMS comment?
Proving again that she is the same old same old, and not part of the change that everyone is looking for.
foolme1ns
How are things down in the boiler room? Is KKKarl there today?
I support Obama, but this is the sort of thing about him that worries me. He needs to be very careful to not let his obvious rhetorical talents lead him into moments of self-immolating glibness. His inexperience really is worrisome in this regard. Hillary chooses her words more carefully.
Gore would be manna from heaven.
But he's too smart to want to be tortured by the idiotic MSM and Goopers again.
Man...I think we're gonna get above freezing today!
We're supposed too - but sometime late tonite or morning, when the freezing rain/snow mix/rain comes.
Please don't tell me Andrea Mitchel got her panties in a wad over that. You've got Chris Matthews talking about cumming in his pants on television, and Andrea Mitchel is going to get the vapors over something as inocuous as this?????
Please!!!!! How disingenuous can you get.
looking at a bunch of bluejays eating the dry cat food out on the back step.
Yo! Waddayu lookin' at?
/NYC bluejay
"the problem, inter alia, is that Obama doesn't clarify that he's talking about the campaign, not Hillary herself.
watertiger "
The problem good be that the very accomplished lawyer meant exactly what he said.
Obama:
"I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal," he told reporters.
It could that the former Harvard Law Review president, civil rights attorney and constitutional scholar said exactly what he meant.
Man...I think we're gonna get above freezing today!
Zap Rowsdower
It's a beautiful sunny morning on my side of the river--I hope you're right!
well, Obama had better get used to having every single one of his words examined, because if you think the Clinton campaign is "taking the low road," just wait until the Republican smear machine gets into full swing.
Assuming, of course, that Obama gets the nod.
I'd say that shitty educational standards are the rich compost in which all kinds of stupid beliefs and attitudes grow.
I'm not sure if that isn't a horse/cart thing.
Yeah...that's what we need after eight years of Democratic meekness: a 'more careful' candidate.
It's the damn primary season, folks. It's gonna be ugly every which way you cut it.
Obama makes pee run down Tweety's leg.
Time to consult a pecker doctor, Tweety.
I just got yet another e-mail from Adele Graham.
I think she likes me.
Heh, I see women see this one way and men another. That's okay dearie, he really didn't mean anything by it.
Watertiger, I'm still on my first cuppa, and I read that as 'Obama gets the rod.'
(Hangs head in shame)
~~~Moe
Wind chill was minus 26 Commie degrees this morning, although it's warmed up considerably since then, to minus 11 presently.
47F here, rainstorm moving out, slowly, lotsa snowpack up north. Did I mention that in addition to my French breakfast radishes I've also planted Muncher Bier radishes? And Daikons? -And that they're all up?- I love springtime.
No way am I seeing "Cloverfield."
There will be no blood 2 step up 2 Hannah Montana's 27 dresses, Juno.
69° here in Tampa.
The office here needs to crank up the A/C ...
/NYC bluejay
I'm out at the beach for the moment.
Back in NYC later today.
*sigh*
I jsut simply do not get the Gore worship. I just don't. I feel like all of youse have taken some kind of drug I'm immune to, and I wish I wasn't.
NY Philharmonic concert on XM, playing Elgar's Enigma Variations. Fits my mood nicely. Lovely piece.
Heh, I see women see this one way and men another. That's okay dearie, he really didn't mean anything by it.
qlª
You gals are so *sensititve*.
Auntie GWPDA, do you know if the rain's headest westward?
I never want to read anything about Andrea Mitchell's panties again. Ever.
Thanks in advance.
Gotta' go batz. Cyall anon...
a good site that has some reaction to the obama comment:
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/
.Obama had better get used to having every single one of his words examined, because if you think the Clinton campaign is "taking the low road," just wait until the Republican smear machine gets into full swing
Word. We have a pretty big advantage now on the Not Saying Stupid Shit front. That must not be squandered by somebody being too into their own verbal riffing to keep their eyes on the road.
Heh, I see women see this one way and men another. That's okay dearie, he really didn't mean anything by it.
You mean women don't see anything obnoxious about that comment and men do? I'm a man.
now what are we gonna do about 3AM youths drag racing and killing 7 of their friends?
Jeebus, but teh dumb meter is pegged.
WHO CARES WHOSE DICK SEEMS LARGER, TOO MUCH IS TOO MUCH!
/snark about penis size and cars
Sinfonian, NTodd is our panty thief. We'll leave that job to him
I never want to read anything about Andrea Mitchell's panties again. Ever.
Thanks in advance.
Sinfonian, spanning Teh Wang™
I'm feeling a little nauseauous myself.
"27 Dresses"?
/shoots self in head
Gore's human, so has all sorts of faults.
But what he's done to raise awareness of climate change is worthy of high praise, indeed.
Thanks, Sallyh.
I was having a transparent day so far. I'm glad my sucky comments are getting through.
I never want to read anything about Andrea Mitchell's panties again. Ever.
Thanks in advance.
Sinfonian, spanning Teh Wang™
--------------------
My apologies.
Just can't see what got Mrs. Greenspan all upset. Time to put on the big girl panties and grow up. Oops, sorry again.
And by the way, I am a woman, and agree with Obama. Hillary is going down the low road, and Obama will meet her there. Who knows in the next couple of weeks, Bill will probably call Obama a lawn jockey.
But what he's done to raise awareness of climate change is worthy of high praise, indeed.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed!
I totally agree.
Ralph Nader's done as much as anyone to raise our awareness of all kinds of shit, but president? No.
Ah. The Great Big Scots Sword claymore.
blerb
Unweilding indoors. You want to stick with something a bit shorter, like a bastard sword or scramaseax.
Poor Digby:
"I still believe that one of the main missions of the left blogosphere is fighting mainstream media lies and bias against Democrats and I know it when I see it --- have done for the five years I've been writing this thing."
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2...u-know-
hes.html
'liberal' blogs have moved on but she refuses to see it.
I was having a transparent day so far. I'm glad my sucky comments are getting through.
*cough*scrabble*cough*
Crap. I haven't had a cigarette in four days, but I'm jonesing for one now. Good thing there aren't any around.
And by the way, I am a woman, and agree with Obama. Hillary is going down the low road, and Obama will meet her there. Who knows in the next couple of weeks, Bill will probably call Obama a lawn jockey.
foolme1ns
If it looks like a troll, talks like a troll...
Ignore it.
RIL: Juno's good, if you just treat it as the light entertainment that it is.
You gals are so *sensititve*.
Moe
Not all the time. Only periodically.
Heh, I see women see this one way and men another. That's okay dearie, he really didn't mean anything by it.
http://theangryblackwoman.wordpr...-with-feminism/
'liberal' blogs have moved on but she refuses to see it.
Ummm, huh? Examples?
Saw "Juno." Enjoyed it, but thought it a tad realistic. No teenager is that pulled together.
"Auntie GWPDA, do you know if the rain's headest westward?"
Heading to Tejas, dear. Slowly, thru NM. Looks like the majority right now is between Tucumcari and Amarillo. Snowing there, right over I-40.
'liberal' blogs have moved on but she refuses to see it.
Yeah, it's a good thing Atrios never comments on media bias and lies any more...
Ummm, huh? Examples?
Zap Rowsdower
Yah, I too would like to know just wtf you're talking about.
Anybody reading PMS into that comment is really reaching. I know you guys want to support Hillary as your chosen candidate, but trying to manufacture some sort of controversy out of this is akin to watching Beevis and Butthead parse dirty words out of common dialog.
No Sheets for Old Owls
*cough*scrabble*cough*
NTodd, Löving Führer
*cough*meeting and getting to it when I can, fucker*cough*
Zap!
Eat something that's heavily onioned or garlicked! I promise that'll knock out the cravings.
From http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/
Obama Talkin' About Hillary:
"You're likable enough, Hillary."
"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out."
"I have no doubt that I can get the people who vote for Senator Clinton. It's not clear that Senator Clinton can get all the people I'm getting."
"Hollering at Republicans and engaging in petty partisan politics didn't help health care get done."
Crap. I haven't had a cigarette in four days, but I'm jonesing for one now. Good thing there aren't any around.
Does smoking suppress appetite?
The sad fact is that when having a confrontation with a woman, most men have the "put her down for being on the rag" option somewhere on their Terminator HUD list. Obama needs to stay the hell away from that one.
thanks for the link nona.
Jack Handy sheets
'liberal' blogs have moved on but she refuses to see it.
Sorry, no. That particular job is not done.
Does smoking suppress appetite?
Mine, yes.
Sorry, that's a tad unrealistic.
simels regrets.
All that stuff is revolting. So what do we do?
I started watching MSNBC because of Countdown and confess my viewing has now bled into the other, reprehensible stuff.
Do we boycott the whole network, even Countdown, to make 'em hurt?
I wish Olbermann would sign a contract with Gore's Current network and draw viewers away from all the mainstream networks.
Current could continue with a blend of traditional news gathering/reporting and its participatory model for using the airwaves.
.
I guess since my opinions don't fall in line with yours, I'm a troll. Oh well.
I just don't see anything that terrible in what Obama said. Certainly not on the scale of other things that we are seeing from politicians on both sides these days.
Bill Clinton has taken it upon himself to be Hillary's attack dog, and if he can use the coded language of Jesse Jackson to try to say white people just won't vote for a black man, then I think Obama is showing them he can fight them on their own level. At least he isn't Kerry.
.Anybody reading PMS into that comment is really reaching. I know you guys want to support Hillary as your chosen candidate, but trying to manufacture some sort of controversy out of this is akin to watching Beevis and Butthead parse dirty words out of common dialog.
Falstaff
Thing is, I voted for Obama and that remark still makes me cringe. He is showing that his his biggest asset, his mouth, is also his biggest vulnerability. I expressed concern about this on these threads before this remark and before I voted for him. He needs to get dopeslapped for this.
"'liberal' blogs have moved on but she refuses to see it.
Ummm, huh? Examples?
Zap Rowsdower "
One example would be 'liberal' blogs. See americablog for a specific example. Or openleft. Both upset that the Clinton knee cappers are holding msnbc accountable. See the blog loosely attached to this comment thread. Now how about examples of 'liberal' blogs engaging in their 'main mission'
Actually, don't click on my Homepage above. I'm trying to link to my blog on myspace (which I just started) but having trouble with the link. I just replaced it with a tinyurl link. See if this works...
...E.J. Dionne or Obama or either Clinton goes after them, and ... they fall all over themselves pounding on Dionne, Obama or Clinton, and putting on Coulter, Buchanan, Brooks, etc etc etc.
Sorry, but I think Bob Somerby is full of it.
The first lesson of dealing with bullies is: you have to hit 'em back, and much, much harder than they hit you.
David Derbes, writin' away | 02.16.08 - 10:20 am
Unfortunately, EJDionne doesn't go after the MCMers who lie, distort, malign, smear, etc.
He may occasionally make a comment about such things happening, but he never tells who does it.
Bcz he wants to stay a member in good standing of the MCM? I don't know.
I agree with Somerby: If Hillary stands up for her daughter and for women in general, she's after the press. She's a kneecapper. She's mean and nasty, etc. Or, worse, she's a whiner. Which is what Dems who point out the MCM's more egregious errors are usually called. WATBs, whiners, can't take the heat, etc.
Speaking of crime--NH/VT biggest cover up of 3-4 decades of unsolved murder and missing women and some men. Remember the population is not all that big.
As one family member said either we have 1-3 serial killers or 100s of individual killers. You know they don't want to scare the tourists.
http://snewzer.tripod.com/id1.html
Why you ask the main news will not cover it--their answer is they dont have the time, there is too many cases and it will take days to cover them all.
The map shows the unsolved, click home on the left side of screen and it will show all the missing persons.
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