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Peace, globally and on this blog
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2nd? That's what I get for calling sheets...
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MasterD, damn yankee |
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St. McCain, Patron Saint of Wiretaps:
Republican presidential candidate John McCain has condemned the influence of "special interest lobbyists," yet dozens of lobbyists have political and financial ties to his presidential campaign — particularly from telecommunications companies, an industry he helps oversee in the Senate.
Of the 66 current or former lobbyists working for the Arizona senator or raising money for his presidential campaign, 23 have lobbied for telecommunications companies in the past decade, Senate lobbying disclosures show.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/
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WSJ -- Student Loan market imploding
The wave of student lenders backing out of giving federally backed student loans is growing.
Monday, 33-year old Waco, Texas-based Brazos Higher Education Service Corp Inc. became the latest to suspend making new loans to students for the 2008 academic year. Brazos joins a list of at least 26 other lenders that have stopped providing loans through the FFEL, or Federal Family Education Loan program, due to developments in the credit markets, according to a list compiled by the student financial aid publication Finaid.org.
"We cannot finance anything in this market," says Ellis Tredway, executive vice president of governmental and public affairs at Brazos.
A storm has hit Brazos and its competitors in the past six months, making their core business an unprofitable proposition where an estimated 80% of the business uses the capital markets to obtain funding. In July of last year, the average FFEL loan provided the lender a 1.28% return on its investment. Making one now puts a lender at an immediate loss of 0.6%, according to one investment bank that recently did a study on student lender funding costs.
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Master D--feel a bit guilty. Put up the post and THEN went downstairs. I'll gladly share.
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maybe McCain will ask Jay Rockefeller to be his Veep? a truly bipartisan Telecom candidacy.
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I was hoping for magic brownies.
Attaturk |
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The wave of student lenders backing out of giving federally backed student loans is growing.
Gee, that won't affect middle class families or anything.
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Master D--feel a bit guilty. Put up the post and THEN went downstairs. I'll gladly share.
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You're good people.

And TomTom's spot on, as usual...
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MasterD, damn yankee |
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You're supposed to hit a home run, then notify they other players about it.
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03.24.08 - 11:18 am | #
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my stratergery: beeline to riflemen. carnage. consolidate and beeline to armour. carnage. game over.
euphronius Night School! |
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03.24.08 - 11:18 am | #
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Clinton/McCain in '08!
Dodging Bullets In Tuzla |
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Pax
sidhra | 03.24.08 - 11:16 am | #
Gaiii.
NTodd, Gleet Lover |
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I've joined
Scoopernicus
server 5, NE quadrant.
Tell me your game handle.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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Of the 66 current or former lobbyists working for the Arizona senator or raising money for his presidential campaign, 23 have lobbied for telecommunications companies in the past decade, Senate lobbying disclosures show.
why, that's just "knowing the enemy", an ancient tactic of war, which demonstrates his strength on foreign policy matters...
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Morning, all.
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i dont understand why student loans should be a for profit business. but then im a communist.
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WSJ -- Student Loan market imploding
That's okay. I didn't really want to get an edumacation anyway.I always wanted to be an autodidact...

doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
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The White House’s chief information officer said the Bush administration should not be compelled to search for millions of emails on individual computers and hard drives that may have been lost between 2003 and 2005 because it would be too expensive and require hundreds of hours of work, according to a filing the White House made with a federal court late Friday
Yeah, it's just too much fucking work. Fuggetaboutit.
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Is it still a "comic strip" if it depresses you?
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03.24.08 - 11:20 am | #
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afternoon moonbats 
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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Of the 66 current or former lobbyists working for the Arizona senator or raising money for his presidential campaign, 23 have lobbied for telecommunications companies in the past decade
But only 12 of those have actually had intercourse with McCain, so it's really not such a big deal.
Penguin |
03.24.08 - 11:20 am | #
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The only way to win is to not play the game...
NTodd, Gleet Lover |
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03.24.08 - 11:20 am | #
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Is it still a "comic strip" if it depresses you?
No, then it's more of an Adult Graphic Strip.
NTodd, Gleet Lover |
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03.24.08 - 11:20 am | #
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Why isn't everybody scared of Obama's black pastor?
I regret that fear-mongering that subject has come to nothing. Maybe if Hannity tried harder....
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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The more I think about it, the more I love Obama's speech on race.
I think it will, eventually, resonate with the greater good in most souls. It's something that needed to be said, and is long overdue for injection into the public discourse.
Unfortunately, we're in the middle of a political campaign season, and politics tends to focus on the negative. Instead of being viewed as an uplifting prompt for healing in this country, some people try to dissect what he said to the point of picking at a scab.
Even scabs like Glenn Beck and Hannity may not be able to overcome the greater goodness of Obama's message, try as they might. So fuck them, and let's lift the discourse to a place where it needs to go.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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I was hoping for magic brownies.
Attaturk
I was hoping for magic brunettes, but then I see that Frodo is bogarting them all.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
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03.24.08 - 11:21 am | #
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The White House’s chief information officer said the Bush administration should not be compelled to search for millions of emails on individual computers and hard drives that may have been lost between 2003 and 2005 because it would be too expensive and require hundreds of hours of work
Jeez, they're not even trying anymore.
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The only way to win is to not play the game...
NTodd, Gleet Lover
Dom Crossan's interpretation of the gospels.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
03.24.08 - 11:21 am | #
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The only way to win is to not play the game...
NTodd,
What's the sound of one elbow clapping?
Moe Hussein Szyslak |
03.24.08 - 11:21 am | #
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afternoon moonbats
Moonbootica
hey, Moonbootica, you like games?
We need someone in a different timezone.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.24.08 - 11:21 am | #
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12 counts against Kwame and Beatty:
Conspiracy to obstruct justice...
Obstruction of justice...
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I pointed out that it isn't doing any harm to be acting on the assumption that we are, since the current energy sources-oil, coal-will run out. He had to admit that that was correct.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Sooner or later we'll figure out that only in the last 100 years or so have we not relied on "natural" sources for energy: solar, animal, wind, running water.
Which make the last 100 or so years the aberration, not the norm. And we're headed back there fast.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist | 03.24.08 - 11:01 am |
Yep. And we're so used to living this way, that living the way our very recent ancestors did, well, we don't have those skills anymore. We're going to have to relearn them.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
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Body Politic
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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03.24.08 - 11:21 am | #
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[re-posted from downstairs, for our frog friends]
Pardonnez-moi pour le whore de blog, mais si vous n'aimez pas lundi vous devez vraiment vérifier le Home Page d'aujourd'hui.
Merci...
steve hussein simels |
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03.24.08 - 11:22 am | #
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What's the sound of one elbow clapping?
[recalls wanking last night]
NTodd, Gleet Lover |
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03.24.08 - 11:22 am | #
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hey, Moonbootica, you like games?
We need someone in a different timezone.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:21 am | #
sure
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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no h/t to Atrios for the ponies?
Or is that generic?
Culture of Truth |
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03.24.08 - 11:22 am | #
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Dom Crossan's interpretation of the gospels.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist
It beats doin' stuff.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
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Dom Crossan's interpretation of the gospels.
Rmj
You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't quit the game.
Capitalism says you can win.
Socialism sys you can break even.
Mysticism says you can quit the game.
-Ginsberg's theorems, IIRC.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.24.08 - 11:22 am | #
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Even scabs like Glenn Beck and Hannity may not be able to overcome the greater goodness of Obama's message, try as they might. So fuck them, and let's lift the discourse to a place where it needs to go.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
That seems to be pretty much where the conversation is going, despite the best efforts of Fox Noise, William Kristol, and Pat Buchanan.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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Just read the WaPo article on the situation in Fallujah that TPM highlighted today.

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Heidi was a bit manic earlier but she's now sleeping
i think both cats are missing my mum and sister a bit plus it is a change to their routine
and Heidi especially gets grumpy with any change
George is a bit more chilled out except when it comes to food, then he bullies you lol
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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Iraq reminds me of the parable of the barren fig tree..
"A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down"
We are now at the throwing around horseshit phase.
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again teh headline is i see is "US Military toll hits 4,000"
that is complete propaganda. they are not including the wounded.
euphronius Night School! |
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03.24.08 - 11:23 am | #
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It's more of a mobius strip. Keeps coming back to the same shit.
Moe Hussein Szyslak |
03.24.08 - 11:23 am | #
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Kwame, cont'd
misconduct in office
(two counts for Kwame, one for Beatty)
Kwame only: perjury
ThinlyVeiled, Bottle Brunette |
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Which make the last 100 or so years the aberration
Evolutionarily speaking, big brains as a survival tactic is an aberation.
cahuenga |
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No, then it's more of an Adult Graphic Strip.
I saw an adult graphic strip show once. It was depressing indeed.
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12 counts against Kwame and Beatty:
Ouch.
pie |
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03.24.08 - 11:23 am | #
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I wonder if Kwame will step down.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
03.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
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sure
Moonbootica
Server 5,
NE quadrant will put you near Tralfaz
SE will put yu onear me.
Then tell me you game nym so I can message you.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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03.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
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TT is funny, but not Ha-Ha funny
mogwai |
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03.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
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mais si vous n'aimez pas lundi vous devez vraiment vérifier le Home Page d'aujourd'hui.
C'est moi! Je n'aime pas lundi. Ni mardi, ni mercredi, ni jeudi...
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
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03.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
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It's more of a mobius strip. Keeps coming back to the same shit.
Moe Hussein Szyslak
The argument certainly seems to be that it only has one side.
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Server 5,
NE quadrant will put you near Tralfaz
SE will put yu onear me.
Then tell me you game nym so I can message you.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:24 am | #
which game is this? 
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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Damn those magic ponies and their failure to appear!
Florida |
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I wonder if Kwame will step down.
Detroit could use a good mayor. Is there one around?
pie |
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OK, Scoopernicus, I'll message you ASAP.
Meanwhile, upgrade a claypit.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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Damn those magic ponies and their failure to appear!
Florida
I blame the Iraqi failure to clap louder.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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Is "magic ponies" trademarked or something? I'd like to use it this week for my column.
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not a website to read if your about to fly anywhere heh but it is interesting - Plane Crash Info.com
Aviation accidents from 1908 through the present
my father is always checking it, feeds into his interest in planes
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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that is complete propaganda. they are not including the wounded.
euphronius Night School!
To the credit of our local morning news radio (CBS AM in NYC) they had someone on this morning explaining that every soldier killed represented 7-8 more horribly wounded plus uncounted numbers with PTSD and other problems that would unfold with time.
I wasn't glad to hear it, of course, but I was glad it was being reported in this way.
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again teh headline is i see is "US Military toll hits 4,000"
that is complete propaganda. they are not including the wounded.
Well, including tens of thousands of people we ignore would make us not ignore them, which would trouble our beautiful minds.
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i>Buckeye and Marcellina: yup. There's a compelling case for shifting away from fossil fuels seven ways from Sunday, excluding the environmental consequences of not doing so. A moment's thought suggests that, if the USA consumes 25% of world resources today, that China and India, both aspiring to our standard of living, will by doing so break the system into little pieces unless dramatically enormous finds of new resources are made. The accidental allocation of petroleum to the Middle East, and our dependence thereon, have hugely undesirable consequences. Putin is finding out that controlling the flow switches on the gas mains is every bit as powerful a weapon as the Red Army.
And green energy would even be good for business, as that fat guy Gore has been saying for years.
ProfWombat | 03.24.08 - 11:10 am
And this doc is from India, but it's been awhile since he went 'home' to visit.
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Oh, man, she (the prosecutor) is hitting them with the fucking chair... I've lost count.
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Pat Buchanan, really thinks he's earned the right to use the N-word dammit!
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
And, they apparently obtained this all through the beneficence of white people. Black people didn't even have to ask.
Why is this racist, Hitler apologist still allowed on the air?
While Jeremiah Wright is allegedly the pariah?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03...or-black-folks/
Attaturk |
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The telecom lobbyists advising McBush are a *GOOD* thing. It's common knowledge that the telecom industry trains and equips lawyers from the ACLU and EFF and sends them into Congress to help make telecom law, right?
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Last I read, the wounded casualties are over 30,000. And that would be of American soldiers, not Iraqis.
Unfortunately, the numbers vary by news sources.
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what is worrying for Britain that soon we will rely on our heat from Putin's Russia
unless we become self sufficient
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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Vicki, I don't know if he will (step down), but he should.
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Pat seems to forgert that america at one time based their southern economy on the enslavemnt of them
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Why is this racist, Hitler apologist still allowed on the air?
While Jeremiah Wright is allegedly the pariah?
Because white racists fear retribution the most. The same reason all those Nazis committed suicide when the war was lost. They were so sure that the "barbarians" would torture and kill them and their children.
Marcellina |
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I regret the 12 lbs of chocolate I ate yesterday...
wa wa wa waaaaaaaaaa...
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Iraq's Oil Ministry said Sunday that it has invited local and international oil companies to bid for contracts including one to develop a natural gas field in a Sunni area in the western part of the country.
The ministry has set a deadline of April 24 for companies to submit detailed plans to help develop the Akkas gas field, located in the former Sunni insurgent stronghold of Anbar province, the ministry said on its Web site.
The Akkas field has estimated reserves of more than 2.15 trillion cubic feet.
Most of the country's vast petroleum wealth is located in the Kurdish north and the Shiite south. Development of the Akkas field could boost the economy in Sunni areas, where support for the government remains tenuous.
Early this year, the ministry said it was negotiating with Royal Dutch Shell PLC to conduct output tests for the field, which has five wells that are ready to be interconnected.
It could produce up to 50 million cubic feet a day as a first stage. That could be increased to 500 million cubic feet a day, which could be pumped through Syria to consumers in Europe.
In a separate tender, the ministry has also invited companies to submit proposals for two oil pipelines linking the Basra oil fields in southern Iraq with Iran's Abadan refinery.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4234...&hd=&size=1&
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Because white racists fear retribution the most. The same reason all those Nazis committed suicide when the war was lost. They were so sure that the "barbarians" would torture and kill them and their children.
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and they were emo, too. esp goebbles. emo punk.
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lawyers from the ACLU and EFF
evil dirty fucking hippies
/all rightwingers and teh typical "left-wing" media
the people have fully lost control over their country when those who fight for people's rights are denounced by half the population
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It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Pat's lobbying for some sort of official "Thank a White Person Day" He thinks it's his due.
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i dont understand why student loans should be a for profit business. but then im a communist.
One could argue that the government would come out ahead by offering student loans with 0% interest.
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Pat seems to forgert that america at one time based their southern economy on the enslavemnt of them
olexicon, Burger King David
No, actually, he mentions that, but says we've more than made up for it.
The end of his column is the best (!) part:
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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Why is this racist, Hitler apologist still allowed on the air?
While Jeremiah Wright is allegedly the pariah?
How is it the party of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Savage and countless others thinks it can lecture Barack Obama on acceptable discourse?
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Why is this racist, Hitler apologist still allowed on the air?
While Jeremiah Wright is allegedly the pariah?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03...or-black-folks/
Attaturk | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:27 am | #
Pat Buchanan is a fricking Holocaust denier.
Let me repeat -- Pat Buchanan is a fricking Holocaust denier.
Why is he allowed out in polite society, let alone on TV?
Bonus points: Pat Buchanan is also a huge idiot who actually wrote a column predicting that the English-speaking provinces of Canada were going to secede and petition to become American states.
steve hussein simels |
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which game is this?
Moonbootica
Travian, if you are interested.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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I really think that rounding up the Neocons, and then having a bunch of poorly trained hispanic Hormel workers attempt to hack them to death with very rusty and dull axes is the way to go.
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First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
And so many European Jews, never having gotten a chance to visit Poland, were so lucky to see Auschwitz! Pat should know, being one of the guards there...
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Pat seems to forgert that america at one time based their southern economy on the enslavemnt of them
Actually, I think he wishes those days were back.
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I really think that rounding up the Neocons, and then having a bunch of poorly trained hispanic Hormel workers attempt to hack them to death with very rusty and dull axes is the way to go.
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You have interesting ideas. Please sign me up for your newsletter.
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MasterD, damn yankee |
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Dead thread:
as has been explained to me withdrawing from a nation is not easy. im sure 99.9 of generals say "GTFO NOA".
The logistics is nothing but a red herring. Soviet troops had little problem leaving Afghan, and the resistance there was much more fierce. It's all about embarrassing images for every empire.
Both BO and HRC would have to remove all commanders who were pro-occupation, including Petraeus. Not an easy task.
2 weeks ago HRC stated categorically that she would eliminate all permanent military bases and that all contractors would be removed as well. Still waiting for Obama to match that.
Look, I don't believe either of them will get us out of this, but all we have is their words and there's no choice but to make a choice. That's what I'm trying to do.
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Five years since the the US began its invasion of Iraq, the world's largest economy is struggling to cope with the cost - estimated to be at least $500 billion and rising.
Two prominent US economists say the Iraq war and the US economy are now inextricably linked.
Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel-prize winning economist, and Linda Bilmes, authors of "The Three Trillion Dollar War," argue that the Iraq war will cost the US at least $3 trillion and possibly as much as $5 trillion.
Bilmes, a budget and public finance expert at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, told Al Jazeera that "both in a long-term sense and a short-term sense, the United States is worse off economically speaking because of the war.
"In a long-term sense, we have added already about $800 billion to our national debt as a result of the borrowing and the war," she said.
"In the short-term sense, we are spending $12 billion a month in Iraq alone and that clearly limits the amount of money that we have to provide things like economic stimuli to improve the economy."
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4234...&hd=&size=1&
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Profiles in Eschatonia
http://eschatoniacs.blogspot.com/
I'm updating the collective profile of Atriots in advance of this weekend's conference.
Feel free to contribute to me at gromit14 at mac dot com, or in the threads at the Profiles site, or here.
Lurkers are invited to contribute. All personal information is strictly confidential. Busy week, so things may not appear on the site right away.
Gromit, venal acolyte |
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First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
He and Barbara Bush must be BFF ...
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Buchanan's meme (ripped straight f4orm the portfolio of the Klan and the neo-Confederates) gets mainstream support from assholes like Glenn Reynolds, who linked to a new book by a Neo-Confederate today.
see Instaputz for the smackdown.
expect more versions of "the Negroes should be thanking us" to crop up, until even Pumpkinhead will be dealing out a variation of it.
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I really think that rounding up the Neocons, and then having a bunch of poorly trained hispanic Hormel workers attempt to hack them to death with very rusty and dull axes is the way to go.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
or -- airdrop those fuckers into basra with a map to baghdad international airport.
or -- hijack the next nro boatride and offload the passengers onto an ever-shrinking iceberg...
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Moonbootica, it's a vicious wargame... you'll fit right in. 
JR, kerosene and a match |
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Elias's March madness. | 03.24.08 - 11:32 am | #
i also cannot concieve how full retreat from iraq would be so hard. the invasion was pretty east. just do the invasion in reverse. put them on vehicle and drive south. go to kuwait and house them in the royal residences. EZ.
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Rmj,
At the church I attended on Pâques, the pastor was preaching on Pilgrim's Progress (ugh) and specifically the part where Giant Despair tries to get Pilgrim and Hopeful to commit suicide, and all I could think was how exceedingly rational Giant Despair sounded in his arguments. I was sad when the moron finally remembers the magical Promise Key in his pocket and escapes. I found all the happy talk about hope and overcoming doubt exceedingly wearying. I wish Giant Despair would've given the sermon instead. That dude has a much better handle on reality.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
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The end of his column is the best (!) part:
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Rmj, Bemused Theologis
I had posted before reading the link
Steve simels regrest the error
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Last I read, the wounded casualties are over 30,000. And that would be of American soldiers, not Iraqis.
Jibes with what I heard this morning, 7-8 wounded for every soldier killed.
O, what a lovely war....
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America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships
Cognitive dissonance... head hurts...
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Bonus points: Pat Buchanan is also a huge idiot who actually wrote a column predicting that the English-speaking provinces of Canada were going to secede and petition to become American states.
steve hussein simels
er, that ain't gonna happen.
But, there's an entire movement of big business types to essentially do away with the border, dismantle the health care system, lower minimum wages to American standards and voila! we'll be free and prosperous. Works every time.
Moe Hussein Szyslak |
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How is it the party of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Savage and countless others thinks it can lecture Barack Obama on acceptable discourse?
Falstaff
Darlin', they've been lecturing all Dems on acceptable discourse for years and years.
Lindsay, clean fucking hippie |
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New England's mercantile economy owed much to the slave trade and the slave system. Lots of capital thereby acquired went into industry, which largely started out with textile manufacture from slave-produced fiber.
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has hillary conceded yet?
q2261 |
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Where do Atriots live?
Ann Arbor; Astoria NY; Atlanta; Austin TX; Austria; Bloomington IN; Boston, Brookhaven NY; Brooklyn, Burlington VT, Cambridge MA; Chicago; Delaware; Des Moines; Detroit; Devizes UK, Fairfax VT, Florida, Georgia, Gloucester City NJ; Grand Rapids; Halifax, Hillsborough, NC; Hong Kong; Irvine CA; London UK; Los Angeles, Madison; Mid-Atlantic Corridor (US); Milwaukee; Minneapolis, Muskegon; Nashville TN; New Jersey; NYC; Norwich UK; Northwest US; Oklahoma (central); Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Portland, ME; Portland OR, Putnam County NY; San Francisco (East Bay); Space Coast (FL) Tennessee (east); Traverse City; Washington DC; West Hills CA
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Gromit, venal acolyte |
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03.24.08 - 11:35 am | #
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and they were emo, too. esp goebbles. emo punk.
euphronius Night School!
My SO's 15 yr old identifies herself as "emo", although all I can make of it is a certain taste in music and a lot of eye make-up.
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what is worrying for Britain that soon we will rely on our heat from Putin's Russia
unless we become self sufficient
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:28 am
The UK, like the PNW, needs to learn how to harness drizzle for power.
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JR yeah heh i iz just thinking up an nym
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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Re: Pat Buchanan:
Matthews: oh my god black men are so lucky to
live in America!!!!
Ferraro: damm right
Jeremiah Wright: hillary ain’t never been called
a nigger
Tweety: what a bitch
Robinson: slavery started 400 years ago - other than
that black men have had it great
Tweety: sure look at Motown and heavyweight boxing
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Culture of Truth |
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03.24.08 - 11:35 am | #
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Gromit: add Andover, Mass. A tip of the chapeau in thanks...
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03.24.08 - 11:36 am | #
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Detroit Mayor Facing Charges
Prosecutor bringing perjury, other charges against Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and former top aide.
Associated Press | 11:19 a.m. ET
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What colleges & universities are Atriots associated with?
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Gromit, venal acolyte |
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Gromit, that site is great!
Marcellina |
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Darlin', they've been lecturing all Dems on acceptable discourse for years and years.
And the Dems have been apologizing and backing down and adopting their framing of the issues and vocabluarly for years and years, as well. And it's not working out to well and I wish that Dems would just stop.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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But, there's an entire movement of big business types to essentially do away with the border, dismantle the health care system, lower minimum wages to American standards and voila! we'll be free and prosperous. Works every time.
Ah, the AIMS people.
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What do Atriots do for fun?
Acting; Activist; Adventure travel; Aikido; Alpine climbing & hiking; Antiwar Protester; Architectural Resource Director; Atriot; Author; Auntie; Baking; Ballroom dancing; Basketball, Beach Walking; Beer drinking; Bird Watching; Blogging; Blog reading; Bootleg music & video; Book lover; Brewing; Camping; Canning; Canoeing; Cartoonist, Cat Lover/Slave; Collecting hats; Comic book collector; Collector of old movies (best & worst); Complaining; Cooking; Cycling; Dad; Decorating; DFH; Disk jockey; Dog obedience; Draught horse wagon team; Drinking at home; Drinking in bars; Grandmother; Exiled Irishman; Fashion fan; Film; Film-making; Gardening; Hiking; History; History of Math & Physics; Horseback riding; Husband; Italian language; Knitting; Lurking; Mother; Motorcycles; Movies; Music journalist/photographer; Packrat; Poker; Physics; Jeopardy Contestant; Live music shows; Mother; Music; Needlepoint; Nonprofit Board Member; Old Movies; Oldest Aspiring US Open Tennis Player; Peace; Photography; Piano; Pickling cipollini; Plant collector; Playing Guitar Hero; Political junkie; Quilter; Reading, Record collector; Republishing Physics & Math Classics; Robot tinkering; Rock musician; Running; Sailing; Scooting; Science writer; Sex; Singing; Soccer dad; Songwriter; Stepdad; Swimming; Travel; Triathlon; TV; VW microbus tinkering; Wanking; Wife; Winemaking; Witch; Writing.
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Gromit, venal acolyte |
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i also cannot concieve how full retreat from iraq would be so hard. the invasion was pretty east. just do the invasion in reverse. put them on vehicle and drive south. go to kuwait and house them in the royal residences. EZ.
Methinks the concern is more for materiel than personnel.
NTodd, Gleet Lover |
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Early this morning, I watched on CNN as a foreign reporter, on the gound in Baghdad was interviewed.
He said troop morale was low (endless war), surge reduced violence in Baghdad but doesn't make that much difference since there's no objective, an exponential number of Iraqis had been killed and 4 or so million displaced, money pit, and so on ad nauseum.
CNN guy breaks in at the end of the interview and says so and so is shaking their head (switch to studio panel). An overweight individual then took the reporter in Iraq to task, said they had been in Iraq once or twice and the local governments are working, blah, blah.
Same shit, different day.
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Gromit: you can add Information Assistant in jobs 
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray |
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Unfortunately, we're in the middle of a political campaign season, and politics tends to focus on the negative. Instead of being viewed as an uplifting prompt for healing in this country, some people try to dissect what he said to the point of picking at a scab.
I agree with you Vicki, but there's also other realities that we face. Like I said before, Obama's speech was thoughtful and uplifting - as part of an inauguration speech. We've got to figure out who can best beat McInsane.
There's only one thing I want more than Obama to win, and that's for the fascists to lose. And if that means HRC has a better chance, then I'll support her.
Isn't that what all progressives should want?
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Ah, the AIMS people.
SteveNS
Yep. I'm working on something...
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JR yeah heh i iz just thinking up an nym
Moonbootica
Some are using their Eschaton nyms, but somehow "JR" lacks a certain something when you are in the world domination business.
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Gromit, venal acolyte |
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Gromit, venal acolyte
Hey don't forget UCSF! 
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Methinks the concern is more for materiel than personnel.
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oh well then. they should be explicit about that.
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"It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million,"
Were selectively bred and inbred.
"were introduced to Christian salvation,"
And Slavery was explained to them as a Good Thing, but they were not allowed to read it for themselves.
"and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known."
That we allow the black women. We keep as many black men in locked up as we can. About 3/5ths of the freedom and prosperity of whites though, funny how the math still works out...
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doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan
Sounds kind of like the sermon I sat through, about how the Easter story is equivalent to surviving a personal crisis.
It prompted me to mildly disagree.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist |
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... of course, so does "ninja kitty" and "spicegrrl237"...
JR, kerosene and a match |
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We've got to figure out who can best beat McInsane.
the Democratic primary voters have already figured that one out.
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What have Atriots done for public service?
New category. No entries yet.
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Gromit, venal acolyte |
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Some are using their Eschaton nyms, but somehow "JR" lacks a certain something when you are in the world domination business.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 11:38 am | #
Just add Ewing!
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Yep. I'm working on something...
Moe Hussein Szyslak

SteveNS |
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And if that means HRC has a better chance, then I'll support her.
Isn't that what all progressives should want?
Elias's March madness
Simply saying "HRC has a better chance" doesn't make it, ya know, true.
Moe Hussein Szyslak |
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Just add Ewing!
Brooklyn
I'm using Ethelred. Yes, as in "Unraeda", for the history buffs.
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