I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
"WaMu Files ChapLev" - Onion Headline
Death Toll from Terror Attack now at 225
Two old men sitting on a train are talking. One guy says, "Did you hear the one about the two Jews who are walking down the street..."
The other guy says, "Hold it! Why are you always telling jokes about Jews? I find it offensive. Why must they always be about Jews?"
"I'm sorry. You're right," his friend replies and starts the joke again: "So, these two Chinese guys are walking down the street on the way to their nephew's bar mitzvah..."
Way to crush my Jew joke, Mrs. I.
Mish Shedlock says that too much regulation is one of the main culprits in all of this. Who's going to argue with Mish & Ron Paul?
more than 700 wounded in Terror Attack
(sorry to harsh your buzz, TKK, but it looks like the terrorists are winning)
The Nun's Secret
The new nun goes to her first confession.
She tells the priest that she has a terrible secret.
The priest then tells her that her secret is safe in the sanctity of the confessional.
She says, "Father, I never wear panties under my habit."
The priest chuckles and says, "That's not so serious, Sister Bernadette. Say five Hail Marys, five Our Fathers, and do five cartwheels on your way to the altar."
(now Mrs. I. can post a heart-wrenching story about Northern Ireland)
Eschaton Between The Sheets
Gromit, sell by 1993
wow, you weren't just being clever, gromit.
Christmas lights in Bethlehem will be extinguished to protest the Terror Attacks.
I have been both turned down for loans I cannot afford and offered loans I could not afford.
Personally I blame the credit bureaus. Instead of having a loan officer go over your income, etc., and figuring out whether (and how) you can afford to pay back a loan, they look at some number of dubious origins and utility and base their decision on that.
It's narishkeit, if you ask me. But who asks me?!?
My question is, what does this say about the magic of the self-correcting market?
Mrs. I ...
And those "terror attacks" came right out of the blue, eh? No country, certainly not Israel, has the right to self-defense, eh?
It seems to me that if rockets, etc., come from an area, a nation has the right and even the responsibility to respond in kind ...
the marvelous music of Monster Crash
WaMuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!
Switzerland condemns terror attack as "excessive."
It's the damned MBA mentality: plunder your company for your own personal gain and to hell with the stockholders, the employees, the customers.
"It's a shame more journalists.."
uh, they're called hacks
and that's too good for 'em
Somebody tweet this post over to Jay Rosen.
BTW ... Israel does pass the test for insanity, though.
This happens repeatedly: rockets are fired from Gaza, Israel responds with overwhelming force. And what does it accomplish? Nothing.
Doing the same thing and expecting different results. Nu? That's insanity. But how come Israel doesn't have the right to be as f*%$ed up as any other country in its national mindset?
Of course, that the rocket attacks from Gaza always happen so that Israel is "driven" to make its resolute response on Shabbos is always a nice touch, don't you think?
Come on, Atrios. You knew about this. That New York Times story on CountryWide put the lie to the whole "application" process that mortgages were doing .... it was free money, and all the freer to people who were most likely to default, the better to rack up the fees and penalties.
It's a shame more journalists weren't spending time trying to figure out what was going on with the housing bubble instead of getting quotes from people with a vested interest in it continuing to expand, but you go to financial crises with the press you have not the press you want.
But Atrios, CNN just did a piece about Obama ditching the media crew for an hour to spend time with his kids.
Mrs. I ...
Let even Lichtenstein send rockets into Switzerland (have they paid back the money they stole from us Jews?) and they maintain their "neutrality" and we'll talk about Switzerland saying the attacks are "excessive".
These headlines from HuffPo are appalling ... "AP: "SINGLE BLOODIEST DAY OF FIGHTING IN YEARS"... 200 DEAD, NEARLY 400 INJURED... CIVILIANS AMONG THE DEAD... ISRAEL DEFENSE MINISTER: "NOW IS THE TIME FOR FIGHTING"... AIRSTRIKES IN RESPONSE TO RECENT ROCKET FIRE... HAMAS THREATENS REVENGE" ....
I'm so glad Democracy is spreading like wildfire across the Middle East!!!!
Switzerland condemns terror attack as "excessive."
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
This IS the same country who KEPT money that belonged to Holocaust victims?
TKK: Substitute "pew" for "altar".
Good joke.
One priest is going to confession and tells the other priest, hearing him, Father, I kissed that new new, Sister Mary of the Cross. That's OK, says the priest listening, just don't get into the habit.
if they had just known of the horrors of Candy Mountain.
Thousands demonstrate in Jordan against the Terror Attacks.
SUPERTRAIN!
new new = new nun.
Early Alzheimer's, sorry.
DAS
Last time I checked, Switzerland wasn't actively colonizing another country, nor are the Swiss keeping two million people locked up in a virtual prison.
Worse, you go to press with the preconceived narrative you wish to publish, not the facts.
My question is, what does this say about the magic of the self-correcting market? ~ DAS
That depends on your perspective. You can believe socialists like Krugman:
"I’m also with Barry Ritholtz that Bush’s emphasis on homeownership was not the problem. Bush favored homeownership; I’m sure he also favored marital fidelity; his influence on homeownership and his influence on adultery were probably comparable. It’s Bush’s opposition to financial regulation that did the evil deed."
Or you can listen to under appreciated sage libertarians like Mish Shedlock:
"Ritholtz and Krugman are both wrong. Lack of regulation, notably the repeal of Glass Steagall Act, is nothing more than a scapegoat.
Time and time again Krugman, Mankiw, and others, even Ritholtz fail to take the problem back to the root cause: Government Regulation, Fractional Reserve Lending, and the Fed."
The Invisible Hand will solve all our problems!
Thanks for calling sheets, you gunkies
but you never know, maybe the Swiss do have a plan to invade a neighbouring country, commit multiple war crimes against the civilian population, and then colonize large swaths of their neighbour's lands.
it could happen, in fantasy land.
[shakes fist, GOTTA GO NOW!]
bbl
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Trim it, soak it in water and vinegar for a couple of hours, then thinly slice it.
Salt and pepper it, then dredge in flour, then brown quickly in butter.
nope.. this is a *completely* lean meat. Fast cooking will just toughen it.
Would currying it cross the streams?
Friend of mine was a loan officer with wamu for several years then went off to form her own mort co and has been wildly successful. All of her ex co workers came to her for loans, not wamu. Not only did they do shady stuff, but they were slow and fouled things up on a regular basis.
I have no idea what prompted the Israeli strike. I think Israel gets to defend itself, and my guess is that the attack was in response to something like missiles fired into Israel from this area.
All that said, it appears that the response was not commensurate with the provocation (which I do not know; but I don't think I heard about two hundred plus killed by Gaza missiles.)
It's also pretty easy for me to condemn something comfortably in my office, thousands of miles away from being hit by missiles.
It's a mess, and nothing would make me happier than for a just peace to break out in the Middle East.
Gromit
I was going to call them fuckers. You are so polite.
Apologies, O Gromit.
more than 700 wounded in Terror Attack
warming the cockles of Rahm's daddy's heart
Unfettered avarice and greedy capitalism is the greatest system mankind has ever invented to fuck over people.
We saw Benjamin Button this afternoon. I liked it. Cried at the end. But then, I always cry at the end of movies.
I'm so glad Democracy is spreading like wildfire across the Middle East!!!!
Southern Beale
Time to send in...*fanfare*...Dr. Rice!
OK, if we're telling "ex" stories, the first ex-Mr. Hecate and his husband gave me, for the third year in a row, an xmas tree ornament. And it's not as if they don't completely know that I'm a witch and don't celebrate xmas and don't put up a tree. And I had to call out the husband for telling G/Son that a bad pitcher "threw like a girl." Son did tell him to knock it off. I knew that woman's studies course that I made him take in college would pay off.
asked below, answered above
I have a question for you Tacitus. Did they really play ragtime that fast (like in the link in your most recent post) or was the recording equipment going the wrong speed? Cuz that sounds crazy fast.
Willendorf Venus
down home rag is not really ragtime, strictly speaking (neither is alexander's ragtime band, but you see in those days you called it a rag if you wanted it to make money). scott joplin famously said "ragtime is never to be played fast", not that that ever stopped anybody. 'down home rag' has more of what might be called a "minstrel show" rhythm, with the eight beats of the bar divided up as ONE-two-three-one-TWO-three-one-two
having said that, the tempo is indeed as intended, and the record is not speeded up. i love any hot music that musicians manage to play well at speeds like that, and i hope to post more at that speed or even faster!
bird lives!
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V for Virginia, Boxing : Meander! Am I your friend on facebook?
I accepted a couple of invites without actually knowing who they were, on the basis that they were friends of friends.
A clue would help
No, I do not believe so. I haven't yet allowed my online self to cross with my RL self, and Facebook seriously crosses that line.
~
I have no idea what prompted the Israeli strike. I think Israel gets to defend itself, and my guess is that the attack was in response to something like missiles fired into Israel from this area.
Israel gets to defend itself? I thought that's what America was for.
I think it's really great all the support the Terrorists get around here. I wonder, were you all sweet on the Afrikaners, too?
Weel, I must go get the bean soup on my fambly. Not that they'll like it. But I don't care.
Good evening everyone.
SAve me some coffe and cookies for later 
DAS
Last time I checked, Switzerland wasn't actively colonizing another country, nor are the Swiss keeping two million people locked up in a virtual prison.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Oh, my - it's about to get nasty, isn't it?
'Toughest Sheriff' takes act to small screen
Story Highlights
Maricopa Co., Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio now has own TV show
Arpaio proud of sometimes unorthodox methods, has been criticized for them
Show, "Smile: You're Under Arrest," gets people with outstanding warrants
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/...show/
index.html
I accepted a couple of invites without actually knowing who they were, on the basis that they were friends of friends.
You know, over the last month or two me and the Mr. both have received invites to join from either people we don't know, or people we haven't spoken to in years.
And neither one of us has a Facebook account. So how would they get our address? I assumed it was SPAM and didn't join ...
No one could have predicted, particularly America's clueless journostenographer corps.
Boooooring!
For the love of money - their bonuses, options and cuts were dependent upon volume. Why is it so hard to figure out?
SoBe
we plan on seeing it Monday. got a good review in the Times, and Ibrahim is a huge F. Scott fan
Oh, my - it's about to get nasty, isn't it?
Terry C
let's discuss the molecular phylogeny of the pycnogonids, instead.
vis-a-vis the israeli 'actions', i will only say that i had never hoped to live to see jews act like nazis
and hamas could stand some moral self-examination, as well...
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Oh, my - it's about to get nasty, isn't it?
Terry C
let's discuss the molecular phylogeny of the pycnogonids, instead.
JR, kerosene and a match
How about food, movies or books?
Maricopa Co., Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio now has own TV show
isn't that corrupt sleazeball in jail yet?
mrs. ibrahim,
I had completely forgotten that it was based on a FItzgerald short story. I want to read the story now.
It was very well done. Not sappy like Forrest Gump.
vis-a-vis the israeli 'actions', i will only say that i had never hoped to live to see jews act like nazis
and hamas could stand some moral self-examination, as well...
Each could stand down. Sadly, they refuse to see the humanity in the other...
Unfettered avarice and greedy capitalism is the greatest system mankind has ever invented to fuck over people.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 6:49 pm | #
and with that, I am on my way to take the 16YO to yet another mall.
and hamas could stand some moral self-examination, as well...
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tacitus voltage | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 6:53 pm | #
One could say much the same about the American rebels in 1775 or so.
I'm very cold to someone now after being used for sex
some people would gladly pay for an experience like that
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I accepted a couple of invites without actually knowing who they were, on the basis that they were friends of friends.
i always attach a note identifying myself. sometimes when i send a request, i have to guess who it is, too.
"sinfonian? is that you? it's me, dirk!"
Maricopa Co., Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio now has own TV show
What an attention whore that one is.
How about food, movies or books?
I'm trying! Honest!!!!
How about food, movies or books?
Terry C
I tried food, apparently cow heart is not a popular menu item around here....
I would have liked to be used for sex once.
Well, no not really.
I get FB invites from strangers all the time. I'm not even on FB yet. I keep meaning to join since I've had invites from real friends as well. But I'm afraid of adding one more place on the intertubes to spend time. I have too many blogs already.
And neither one of us has a Facebook account. So how would they get our address? I assumed it was SPAM and didn't join ...
Southern Beale
You can add people by searching your e-mail address book and sending them invites.
But, honestly, a lot of it is a mystery to me. I'm just trying not to end up on the business end of Congratulations U R teh winner of The Irish Sweepstakes!.
I tried food, apparently cow heart is not a popular menu item around here....
JR, kerosene and a match
I kinda got that impression, too.
nope.. this is a *completely* lean meat. Fast cooking will just toughen it.
Would currying it cross the streams?
JR, kerosene and a match
I'm not so sure, especially since after a quick browning, you are essentially going to poach it in wine and broth for a while.
A curry approach might be terrific, however, as I think on it.
One could say much the same about the American rebels in 1775 or so.
ronjazz
in those days, innocent children were rarely victims of military actions
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i mean, someone comes and takes their homes, forces them out, and they're not supposed to defend themselves?
JR, New York cheesecake, from Junior's, is very popular. And rightfully so 
hear my train coming
gonna leave this town.
So has everyone heard about Tennessee Republican Chip Saltzman, who distributed "Obama The Magic Negro" CDs to TN GOP executive committee folks for Christmas?
He wanted to be chair of the RNC ... not thinking he's gonna get the gig now ...
Curried rice bowl is the world's most perfect food.
Congratulations U R teh winner of The Irish Sweepstakes!.
"Ned, wake up! Ned? Ned?"
I would have liked to be used for sex once.
Well, no not really.
trifecta | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 6:55 pm | #
I was. It left me shaken, not stirred.
How about food, movies or books? ~ Terry C
Ok. Just make sure there's no talking during the movie. Especially if you're going in South Philly. Ahem.
repeating, with some different emphasis:
I deeply believe that the majority of people in the Middle East want to live in peace with their neighbors.
I also fear that a small percentage (10-20%?) are so wrapped up in hate that they are irrationally driven to hurt the other, and of course do tremendous damage to their own side.
People have to give up hate. They don't have to love everyone, but they have to not hate. Sorry this sounds so childish, but there it is.
I grew up in New Orleans. The only thing that has saved this country is that most of the oppressed people of this country have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
So has everyone heard about Tennessee Republican Chip Saltzman, who distributed "Obama The Magic Negro" CDs to TN GOP executive committee folks for Christmas?
All they have is their hate for anyone they see as "different."
CNN thinks the media is only responsible for watching the President-elect eat shaved ice at SeaWorld.
But I'm afraid of adding one more place on the intertubes to spend time. I have too many blogs already.
Libby, somewhat mellow | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 6:56 pm | #
i'm mostly on it b/c the local theatre crowd uses it to announce what shows they are in, auditions, awards, etc. but once there, it seemed rude to not befriend atriots. and my family just glommed on.
JR, New York cheesecake, from Junior's, is very popular. And rightfully so
Sallyh
I had this most impressively delicious pesto and sundried tomato cheesecake the other day....
apparently cow heart is not a popular menu item around here....
Try pork brains. Very tasty with scrambled eggs.
the israeli actions are, i think, way out of scale as a 'reaction' to any possible depredations of the palestinians
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I grew up in New Orleans. The only thing that has saved this country is that most of the oppressed people of this country have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
David Derbes, done till Jan!
Also, a big bowl of red beans and rice leaves you groggy.
"Ned, wake up! Ned? Ned?"
Gromit, sell by 1993
A wonderful film. Ian Bannen was simply perfect in it.
Good thing I'm not President. I'm peevish enough to resolve this crap by cutting loose the nukes to turn every grain of sand within a 300 mi radius of Jerusalem into glass.
"It's his fault because he started it first." Fucking children should be allowed dangerous toys.
Worse, you go to press with the preconceived narrative you wish to publish, not the facts.
sidhra صيذ&# | 12.27.08 - 6:45 pm |
Well, as long as it's no skin offa my hide . . .
Hey, wait a minute . . .
I have no idea what prompted the Israeli strike - David Derbes
As I alluded to in a previous comment, it works like this: Hamas uses Gaza as a base from which to send rockets to Israel. Israel finally gets fed up with this and decides to just blow a whole region of Gaza to smithereens to stop the attacks and "show those people Israel means business".
And then everyone gets mad at Israel for responding "excessively".
And the kicker is that Hamas knows exactly how long it takes Israel to get fed up and launch a major attack. So Hamas makes sure to start their attacks and escalate in such a way that Israel gets fed up during Shabbos so as to "force" Jews to fight on Shabbos (you can ignore Shabbos if it's a matter of self-defense, for example). Nu? Very clever ...
As to the issue of the Swiss not trying to "colonize" Lichtenstein, funny ... I don't see that the Alemanic tribes were kicked out of Switzerland by the Romans and then they were merely "tolerated" if that by the rest of the world and when they decided to return to Switzerland, all the neighboring nations decided to invade and wipe the Swiss nation off the map.
Neither you (Mrs. I) nor I might agree with Zionism philosophically, but I would say that anyone who cannot understand and empathize with what Israel does and why but rather dismissed them as teh evil terroromists needs their head examined.
I might see Marley this weekend. Something light and silly. Valkyrie sounds interesting, but too heavy for me today.
It's been a bitch of a week here. It's finally warming up and the ice and snow are melting.
Also, a big bowl of red beans and rice leaves you groggy.
trifecta
Yes, and brings you closer to God.
By the way, SoBeale, I haven't seen you the last couple of days so I haven't been able to congratulate you for scooping the NYT and other mainstream outlets on the coal mining spill by at least three days.
Good job!
The only thing that has saved this country is that most of the oppressed people of this country have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
The only thing that has saved the entire world for the last 3,500 years or so is that women have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
I fondled your toes.
defend themselves?
ErinPDX
it behooves one to think of what 'defend' means. also, 'effective'
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Try pork brains. Very tasty with scrambled eggs.
Toonscribe
Brains taste like tofu.. that is, they taste like whatever they are cooked with.
Yea, I didn't know banks were giving out loans to just anybody either. If I had, I'd be a rich fuck sitting on a bunch of still appreciating Manhattan proerty. Well, no, I'd be a retired rich fuck that sold out a year ago and moved to Arizona. Another opportunity wasted. On to the next bubble.
Southern Beale : He wanted to be chair of the RNC ... not thinking he's gonna get the gig now ...
He's going to try to fall back on the "hey, just kidding" defense. I just love how the fallout is splashing onto Limbaugh.
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DD, I would kill for a po' boy right now. Fully dressed, fried oysters.
Damn it.
Hamas uses Gaza as a base from which to send rockets to Israel. Israel finally gets fed up with this and decides to just blow a whole region of Gaza to smithereens to stop the attacks and "show those people Israel means business".
How's that working out for them?
Saltsman should be sent bogus discount coupons for klan robes.
The only thing that has saved the entire world for the last 3,500 years or so is that women have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
What she said...
Oh yeah. Silly me, forgetting to blogwhore. Speaking of our idiot press...
Neither you (Mrs. I) nor I might agree with Zionism philosophically, but I would say that anyone who cannot understand and empathize with what Israel does and why but rather dismissed them as teh evil terroromists needs their head examined.
DAS | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 6:59 pm | #
Well, that sounds like some real bullshit excuse to me. Not at all unlike dismissing the treatment of the Native American by the US Army.
I fondled your toes. - Hecate
Oh, me next, me next!
Please.
apparently cow heart is not a popular menu item around here
does morningstar farms make a soy version?
video of W's success in Afghanistan:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...stan-drug-
abuse
heroin addiction on the streets.
Not for the squeamish.
Nobody Could Have Predicted
OTOH, somebody could have simply followed the money.
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DAS, I am not mad at Israel nor at you.
I do believe though that blowing a region to smithereens is not in Israel's best interest. If they were to target a handful of the rocketeers for assassination, no problem.
I am not opposed to self-defense. I am not opposed to wars undertaken if there is no choice. But, like Obama, I am opposed to stupid wars and stupid tactics. This seems to me a stupid tactic. If Hamas knows exactly how far to push Israel so that Israel responds in a way that invites world condemnation, then I'd say Hamas has Israel's number, and it's time for Israel to change its tactics.
How's that working out for them? - Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
As I said, if the definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing and expecting different results, Israel is hella insane. But don't they have the right?
And Switzerland condemning this? That's rich!
I might see Marley this weekend. Something light and silly.
Did you know that FIFTEEN of this year's holiday season releases have a major character die?
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The only thing that has saved the entire world for the last 3,500 years or so is that women have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
*loosens collar*
Suddenly, I feel like Butch & Sundance in Bolivia
The only thing that has saved the entire world for the last 3,500 years or so is that women have found it in themselves not to hate their oppressors.
I fondled your toes.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I don't oppress women, other than my springer spaniel and she deserves it!
I'm bookmarking this NY Times article for the next time some goddamned wingnut tries to tell me that this is all the fault of CRA forcing banks to loan to dark-skinned folks.
SoBe,
That spill did manage to make page two of the SF Chron, but most of it was about how the water was fine, according to TVA. 
Did you know that FIFTEEN of this year's holiday season releases have a major character die?
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Meander | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:03 pm | #
"The Bible" was remade?
As I said, if the definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing and expecting different results, Israel is hella insane. But don't they have the right?
No. Not on this crowded planet. None of us can any longer afford the luxury of insane retaliation.
I turn my back to this now because there is nothing I can do. I will garden and try to help my partner from not caring about anything.
Our mortgage was sold off within a month or two of completion. If you are going turn around and sell the mortgage, why waste time making sure the borrower can pay?
i've never oppressed anyone in my life.
How's that working out for them?
Hecate,
About as well as it did for Uncle Ben back in '48?
Did you know that FIFTEEN of this year's holiday season releases have a major character die? ~ Meander
Character assassination is so 'Thuglican.
DD, I would kill for a po' boy right now. Fully dressed, fried oysters.
Damn it.
trifecta
I am probably really going to regret this.
The best oyster po'boys in New Orleans are to be found at Casamento's, near the corner of Napoleon and Magazine.
The best s'rimp po'boys in New Orleans are to be found at Domilise's, the corner of Annunciation and (I think) Robert.
The best roast beef po'boys in New Orleans are to be found either at Mother's, Poydras (in the city's Central Business District) or at Parasol's in the Irish Channel. Tastes differ. I have to say that I don't really like roast beef drenched in gravy with debris, so I don't get involved in this debate.
Happy eatin'!
If you are going turn around and sell the mortgage, why waste time making sure the borrower can pay?
Willendorf Venus | 12.27.08 - 7:05 pm | #
the secondary buyer will want to know. and if it is backed by fannie/freddie, it's a requirement.
Israel is hella insane. But don't they have the right?
No.
But don't they have the right?
No, they have the munitions.
We got decent po'boys in Gonzales at this place named Mike's. It was actually run by Chinese immigrants. Gonzales of course is the jambalaya capital. I don't miss the weather, the bugs, the hurricanes, but I do miss the food.
They have the Right, not the right.
No, they have the munitions.
sidhra صيذ&# | 12.27.08 - 7:07 pm | #
they have the USer munitions.
I read once where you're supposed to have you hands in the soil. Something about it is good for you. So that I why I will have him plant this stuff by hand. Besides, I have all those red worms in there and he would just end up chopping every single one up as clumsy as he is.
, New York cheesecake, from Junior's, is very popular. And rightfully so
Sallyh, Sad Grandmere | 12.27.08 - 6:56 pm
I love New York cheesecake. I don't think I've had any for any at least ten years. Maybe I should take that trip to NYC this spring.
I have to say that I don't really like roast beef drenched in gravy with debris,
Stay out of Montréal.
I've impressed almost no one-- and once the niece and nephew get a little older, the score will be perfect...
i've never oppressed anyone in my life.
I have. I oppress people with every purchase I make, every mile that I drive, every imported bottle of wine or Perrier that I drink. I oppress people with every tax dollar that I pay and I pay a lot of them. I oppress not only people, but other members of our community: the animals and trees gone extinct so that I can live a privileged life consuming far more than my share of the world's resources. I'm not proud of it, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm innocent. I'm not saying anything about you, just admitting that I don't live a life that harms none.
As I said, if the definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing and expecting different results, Israel is hella insane. But don't they have the right?
And Switzerland condemning this? That's rich!
DAS | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:03 pm | #
They do not have the right and what they are doing is not defensible, no matter how sickening the hypocritical bs of the europeans.
I've always heard Junior's in Brooklyn is the ne plus ultra, but having never had it, and having had Baby Watson's, I gotta say Junior's is going to have to take me someplace I have not been to overtake Baby Watson's in my estimation.
Gonzales of course is the jambalaya capital. I don't miss the weather, the bugs, the hurricanes, but I do miss the food.
trifecta | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:08 pm | #
henry's in acworth, ga. best jambalaya, etouffee, or any other cajun food within a days drive and lovely weather.
henry is a cool guy too - the real deal.
That spill did manage to make page two of the SF Chron, but most of it was about how the water was fine, according to TVA
Those fish were just resting?
I hope the storm that rolled through here doesn't get to the sludge, I received almost 3" rain.
Then he will feel it's something of him afterwards...
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator 12.27.08 - 7:09 pm
What she said.
sidra, there are many restaurants in Montreal that I have enjoyed. The best, probably gone for many years, was Chez Bardet, way the hell out on the Metro.
Amen, Hecate, amen.
First, limit the harm you do. Then try to do whatever you can to alleviate the harm you've already done. Start small and work your way up. Don't let anybody guilt you into it, though. Got to come from the heart.
When oil was $150 a barrel, the Saudi thugs had a ton of scratch to improve the life of Palestinians. It's in their interest no to do so. If Israel is evil, the populace can be distracted.
That being said, Israel is acting like a Bushian retard. killing 200 people solves exactly fucking what?
i stepped on an ant once.
Israel is the enemy and Zionists are the New Nazis. Nuke Israel and the whole world would breathe a sigh of relief.
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
wait a minute sumth'n is wrong here...
lord, this key won't unlock the door...
Gaza is a prison!
just admitting that I don't live a life that harms none.
You understand ahimsa.
i stepped on an ant once.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
My father stepped on ducks all the time when I was very little. "Stepped on a duck!" he'd say. I never saw the ducks but there was a funny sound... and a funny smell.
Lester | 12.27.08 - 7:14 pm | #
It's a good thing all the Jews are in Israel, hey, Lester, you moron?
He wanted to be chair of the RNC ... not thinking he's gonna get the gig now ...
Southern Beale
I don't know. It seems a good chunk of the gop is for doubleing down and embraceing their inner assholishness.
i stepped on an aunt once.
hat being said, Israel is acting like a Bushian retard. killing 200 people solves exactly fucking what?
trifecta
just wait till they get teh new prime mininister.
i blame bush.
Now, Israel has the 4th mightiest military in the world, and its terrorizing its neighbors, by destroying its cities and infrastructure, and all routes of escape, and forcing 800,000 people to become refugees in their own land.
I see the parallels to the 1930's, but they do not favor Israel.
None of us can any longer afford the luxury of insane retaliation.
But then what would all of the poor defense contractors do? Think of all the jobs!
The problem with a permanent war economy is that it requires, you know, a war ...
He had a doctorate in the seminary and doesn't care for life anymore. He cares for people but it's like he's just waiting "for the time" to come and he's perfectly fine.
Got a sandwich for you DD. In Gonzales, LA there is this place called Mudbugs. They have a crawfish po'boy with crawfish etoufee drizzled on top of it.
YKK is the world's 14th most influential company. They make zippers.
http://www.businessweek.com/
maga...13043336126.htm
my experience of attempting to talk to both israelis and palestinians about this horrible mishegas is that neither israelis nor palestinians are americans. they don't think like americans (or europeans for that matter), and they both talk about the conflict and the other side in terms that are, frankly, utterly shocking to the sensibilties and moral universe of americans
my opinion (not that anybody asked me) is that the two sides need to be separated and restrained as if they were two murderous drunks in a barfight
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I don't know. It seems a good chunk of the gop is for doubleing down and embraceing their inner assholishness.
More power to them, then.
Who occupies the Shebaa Farms,the Golan Heights,the West Bank and east Jerusalem? After they gave back the Gaza who controlled the airspace, the seaports, the water and even the Hiafi Crossing? Who created settlements to enforce a Greater Israel? Who has 300 nuclear bombs? Who has always been, is now and forever will be the victim? Didn't 11 million people die in nazi death camps? Then why do we only talk about 6 million of them?
I do everything I can to involve him and piss him off which I do a very fine job of, thank ya very much.
my opinion (not that anybody asked me) is that the two sides need to be separated and restrained as if they were two murderous drunks in a barfight
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tacitus voltage | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:18 pm | #
That's God's fault, all the way.
He had a doctorate in the seminary and doesn't care for life anymore. He cares for people but it's like he's just waiting "for the time" to come and he's perfectly fine.
2OżO9
He's depressed, 2OżO9, and probably you are as well. Is either of you seeing a therapist? And how's your back? You had a fall recently, no?
Nuke Israel and the whole world would breathe a sigh of relief
i know a very nice toilet you could flush yourself down
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Just saw a preview for a movie called The Unborn. About a beautiful young woman haunted by people "unborn."
Wondering if it was financed by the Right To Life folks.
I wonder what blog Incog is on?
“Kerry [Killinger] has made over $100 million over his tenure based on the aggressiveness that sunk the company,” said Mr. Au, the money manager. “How does he justify taking that money?”
In June, Mr. Au sent an e-mail message to the company asking
executives to return some of their pay. He says he has not heard back.
.............
Wow. Executives who made out like bandits want to keep the money they stole. Who'd a thunk it?
About a beautiful young woman haunted by people "unborn."
macduff!
Got a sandwich for you DD. In Gonzales, LA there is this place called Mudbugs. They have a crawfish po'boy with crawfish etoufee drizzled on top of it.
trifecta
I've heard of the place, but have never been.
I try to inflict as little harm as possible in my life, but Hecate is right. It's not possible to do no harm. All you can do is try to minimize it. I do the best I can. I consume very little in my quiet little life here.
SB, I saw an ad for that Unborn movie and wondered the exact same thing.
Tom Cruise as a 1 eyed Nazi opened in 4th place.
My neighbors just came by to tell us they saw two ginormous coyotes running through our front yard.
They wanted to make sure our cats were all inside. One was still outside -- normally he's in at this time of night but we were at the movies and he was still outside. So we called and called and he finally came in -- all freaked out, panting, and fluffed up. He'd seen the coyotes too.
We are grateful to our neighbors for letting us know. Our cat catches squirrels and chipmunks, and if he got eaten by coyotes it would be the circle of all life and all, but we prefer he live to a nice ripe old age inside with us. Nothing against the coyotes or the cat ... just sayin'.
There's a parable in here somewhere.
He's depressed, 2OżO9, and probably you are as well. Is either of you seeing a therapist? And how's your back? You had a fall recently, no?
David Derbes, done till Jan! | 12.27.08 - 7:19 pm | #
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Thank you for asking. I'm not depressed. Happy as a cricket but he is, severely. Takes some heavy duty shit. I do everything I can to provoke him into seeing life again. He's like a priest who isn't ordained and is waiting for the afterlife. "I pray."
I am enjoying a seafood chowder of oysters, gulf of maine shrimp, clams, and haddock. It is good.
my opinion (not that anybody asked me) is that the two sides need to be separated and restrained as if they were two murderous drunks in a barfight
Works for me.
I wonder what blog Incog is on?
I see him at AmericaBlog a good bit ...
We are grateful to our neighbors for letting us know. Our cat catches squirrels and chipmunks, and if he got eaten by coyotes it would be the circle of all life and all, but we prefer he live to a nice ripe old age inside with us. Nothing against the coyotes or the cat ... just sayin'.
There's a parable in here somewhere.
Southern Beale | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:23 pm
I'm short on parables, but I'm glad to hear he's inside safe now. A coyote would eat him if he could catch him.
My back is fine just itchy. I can stretch and breath deeply without a problem. Should be totaly better in a couple of days and didn't use anything.
So who's going to play the bouncer?
Arthur just came in to tell me there was a Large Tuxedo Cat sitting under our eucalyptus tree and what was I going to do about it. I went outside and said 'Scat' and made a flapping motion with my hands. The cat scatted. Arthur is satisfied.
i stepped on an ant once.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
My father stepped on ducks all the time when I was very little. "Stepped on a duck!" he'd say. I never saw the ducks but there was a funny sound... and a funny smell.
racymind-------
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Are you sure we aren't related?
A coyote would eat him if he could catch him.
Indeed he would. And we put a bell around his neck to cut down on the squirrel carnage, but the downside is that it's the perfect coyote dinner bell.
Are you sure we aren't related?
Sp ocko
I have a pointy head, not pointy ears. Close enough?
when i lived in new mexico a coyote ate my cat.
so i moved to florida and a gator ate my other cat.
killing floor
Wow, mention Israel and the mudbugs like Lester come out of the walls. Having said that, I wonder if mrs. i has anything good to say about the Israelis? I wonder if DAS has anything good to say about the Palestinians?
So let's go ahead and blame the Brits. And the Turks. And the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, Egyptians, and the people of Ur of the Chaldees. Or the idea that an all-powerful being put people in himself-forsaken land and gave them exclusive rights to it.
a seafood chowder of oysters, gulf of maine shrimp, clams, and haddock
Durn, that sounds good.
charley, I am sorry about that.
You should consider keeping the kitties inside. For one thing, God bless 'em, they eat lots of birds. And birds are beautiful. Better the kittehs eat cat food.
a seafood chowder of oysters, gulf of maine shrimp, clams, and haddock
Durn, that sounds good.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Oh my, yes... tomato base or cream base?
Or the idea that an all-powerful being put people in himself-forsaken land and gave them exclusive rights to it.
ignoreland
Seems to me that that's just about exactly what the white people who settled North America thought.
I can see that I'm going to get zero sympathy on the third year of xmas ornaments. S'ok. I'm a big girl.
cream, racymind. 's how it's done.
Seems to me that that's just about exactly what the white people who settled North America thought.
Wrong then, wrong then, still wrong.
At some point, we have to stop acting stupid and saying, "Well, your ancestors acted stupid!"
I can see that I'm going to get zero sympathy on the third year of xmas ornaments. S'ok. I'm a big girl.
Getting bad holiday presents is pretty standard, I'm afraid. It's pretty much carelessness and lack of interest, which really isn't so very bad.
We're here for you Hecate. Really we are. Really.
I try to inflict as little harm as possible in my life, but Hecate is right. It's not possible to do no harm.
well, sure. but being an unwilling, or even apethetic partical in a large inhumane machine is a far cry from actively oppressing someone. doing what one can stomache to even the balance or even decry the unfairness counts.
this world is cruel, unfair, viscious, cold and - where evil people allow their emotions to add to the mix - hateful. every living thing in it is a pathetic bag of sensory perceptors flying in pain toward eventual and unavoidable death. the sentient ones know that, and know it about their loved ones, and about the communities they will never personally interact with; and however altruistic and powerful they may be in the end all they can do is despair that it can't all be fixed.
so yeah, i exist as a part of it. and when i drive my german made car filled with the fuel decanted from ancient dinosaurs and recently slaughtered innocents, i am perpetuating the system that i could never, ever have the least perceptible effect in changing. and the clothing that i've got in the trunk to donate to the homeless abused women's shelter was probably made by enslaved chinese children in a dingy disgusting desease ridden hell hole.
i didn't help start the iraq war, either. no matter what ntodd says.
but it won't be long anyway. until the great-great-great-great-great-great grandson of the ant i stepped on gets to feed off my rotting flesh.
feeling guilty about the cosmos around me won't stop that. the best i can do is not to fall down and worship the bastard who set it all in motion.
cream, racymind. 's how it's done.
Mmmmm. You guys continue debating the Middle East. Racy, sidhra, and I are going to be over here in the corner eating chowder.
I love the internet because I can't curse him out and talk anyway which he never hears. He's complained to be about it. He's very dignified and suave but fuck him.
You should consider keeping the kitties inside. For one thing, God bless 'em, they eat lots of birds. And birds are beautiful. Better the kittehs eat cat food.
David Derbes, done till Jan! |
i've had lots of cats. cats like to be outdoors so they can eat birds.
once had a neighbor who complained and sent animal control to our door. they suggested a cat on a leash. go ahead, try doing that.
but i'm not bitter.
I can see that I'm going to get zero sympathy on the third year of xmas ornaments. S'ok. I'm a big girl.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage
You have my complete sympathy. I loathe clueless gifts. I suspect he does it to annoy you. But I'm v. impressed with your son. I hope I have the same effect on the grandtyke over the long run.
It's simple. Don't steal land. Don't steal water. Don't ethnically cleanse people off their land. Don't fence people in with concrete and bantustans. Don't bulldoze peaceniks. Don't slaughter kids throwing rocks, or children hiding behind their father at crossroads. Don't poison Bedouin land. Don't give rights not available to Palestinians to Russian "Jews" aka Chechens.
Not hard.
Furthermore, don't manipulate others to fight Israel's enemies, like the neocons did with Iraq and are doing with Syria and Iran.
At some point, we have to stop acting stupid and saying, "Well, your ancestors acted stupid!"
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Not disagreeing. Just a little sick of self-righteousness. Glass houses, and all that.
feeling guilty about the cosmos around me won't stop that.
But you can recognize your part in it, be the change you wish to see in the world, and move beyond "it's not my fault"...
be the change you wish to see in the world, and move beyond "it's not my fault"...
Yeah, baby.
It's simple. Don't steal land. Don't steal water. Don't ethnically cleanse people off their land. Don't fence people in with concrete and bantustans.
AIM would like a word with you.
but it won't be long anyway. until the great-great-great-great-great-great grandson of the ant i stepped on gets to feed off my rotting flesh.
Reminds me of one of my favorite Dorothy Parker poems:
It costs me never a stab nor squirm
To tread, by chance, upon a worm.
"Aha! my little dear," I say,
"Your kin will pay me back, one day."
Dirk,
I don't think that becoming paralyzed with guilt is a good idea. But neither do I think that pretending that we're not beneficiaries and willing participants in oppression is a move forward.
Lester | 12.27.08 - 7:34 pm
you still have this remark to answer for
Nuke Israel and the whole world would breathe a sigh of relief
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feeling guilty about the cosmos around me won't stop that. the best i can do is not to fall down and worship the bastard who set it all in motion.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
praise be to dirk.
i'm serious, well, half serious.
well said young man.
the burning bush didn't want me to drink wine tonight. Bottle fell out of the car onto the driveway. All gone.
Mmmmm. You guys continue debating the Middle East. Racy, sidhra, and I are going to be over here in the corner eating chowder.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I figured it was cream based, but I just wanted to hear it. MMmmm.
Make my bowl a small one. I gotta go to work. Someone has to be on duty at the hospital in case a troll tries to steal the chowder pot away from hungry Atriots.
feeling guilty about the cosmos around me won't stop that. the best i can do is not to fall down and worship the bastard who set it all in motion.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:33 pm
Well, there is is that... It's the least any of us can do.
But you can recognize your part in it, be the change you wish to see in the world, and move beyond "it's not my fault"...
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:35 pm | #
yeah.
by not oppressing people, for one. which is where i started.
practically speaking, anything i do at this point will have little effect in the long run and on the global scale. that doesn't stop me from doing it.
but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
I can see that I'm going to get zero sympathy on the third year of xmas ornaments. S'ok. I'm a big girl.
Hecate
Heh. None from me. Latest outrage from my ex was when I suggested I make a budget because I run out of money at the end of the month. This from a man who unilaterally decided not to pay child support.
Latest outrage from my ex was when I suggested I make a budget because I run out of money at the end of the month. This from a man who unilaterally decided not to pay child support.
Willendorf Venus
/cracks knuckles... Where is dis guy?
This from a man who unilaterally decided not to pay child support.
Willendorf Venus
You know, you DO NOT have to put up with that, right?
the burning bush didn't want me to drink wine tonight. Bottle fell out of the car onto the driveway. All gone.
ErinPDX
Eeeeek!
Stupid Bush.
fracked that up. HE suggested I make a budget.
tically speaking, anything i do at this point will have little effect in the long run and on the global scale. that doesn't stop me from doing it.
but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
Derrick Jensen says that he refuses to feel guilt for being born into and living in car culture. But that his responsibility is to do all that he can do bring down car culture. Most of us are not that brave.
This from a man who unilaterally decided not to pay child support.
Willendorf Venus
You *are* going to do something about that, right?
I wonder if Lester would be happy for a bunch of Jews to move into his neighborhood?
Where should those Jews who ended up in Israel have gone? Remember there is only so much land ... if the Israeli Jews belong there, where should they live? If not, then where should the refugees from the Holocaust, where should all those Jews who were not welcome anywhere have gone?
And in re. to Hecate's (?) point -- indeed! We all live on stolen land. Who lives on land that hasn't been stolen at one point by their ancestors? Very few do ...
the burning bush didn't want me to drink wine tonight. Bottle fell out of the car onto the driveway. All gone.
I'd blame the fairies. You giving them a bit when you've got some?
fracked that up. HE suggested I make a budget.
Send him a budget that includes child support and a sheriff's lien on his wages.
I'm not saying anything about you, just admitting that I don't live a life that harms none.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:09 pm | #
mathematically, i think you're forgiven by this law.
dU= delta Q+ delta W
please do not ask me why tho.
You know, you DO NOT have to put up with that, right?
Adam Hominem
Of course I know. Don't have the money, time, or energy to fight with him about it.
the trick is to figure out which windmills are worth tilting at.
and knowing that any of them can be raged against, regardless.
I lived in one house for over twenty years and refinanced several times to pay for renovations and each time the originator sols it to a loan "servicer" usually for some reason in Florida.
Now among my many talents, I am an economics imbecile. And even with that credential, I could see that separating loan origination so drastically from the holder of the paper - the investors ha ha - was a recipe for disaster.
but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
Well, you kinda do. We're in this world, and it's up to us to decide how to live in it. Sure it's fucked up and we didn't do it personally, but do we want to make it better, or would we rather wash our hands of it and justify inaction?
Israel was founded in 1948. Hundreds of thousands of the previous inhabitants were evicted at gunpoint from their ancestral homes. Many who didn't want to leave or weren't fast enough were murdered. Ask Ariel Sharon (if he ever comes to).
If it had happened to you or your parents or grandparents, you'd be mightily pissed off, wouldn't you?
What's so difficult to understand about this?
how does israel's terrorism differ from al qaida's?
indeed! We all live on stolen land.
Goddess knows that I do.
Doesn't make it ok for me to continue to oppress Native Americans.
This from a man who unilaterally decided not to pay child support.
Willendorf Venus
You can do that?
worship the bastard who set it all in motion. If you mean the human concept of god, he had nothing to do with starting it. If you mean the cosmic creator, the idea that we're separate from that is a human conceit.
ErinPDX, I hate when that happens.
Of course I know. Don't have the money, time, or energy to fight with him about it.
Willendorf Venus
Oh dear. You really should find the time and energy. The money can come from him.
but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
Adding: we are, like it or not, beneficiaries of oppression, as Hecate noted. So try to change that. Change one behavior. Then another. Make one more person aware of all the mechanisms in place: the patriarchy, the Military Industrial Complex, exploitative capitalism. Doesn't matter who started it--we're the ones here now to fix it.
It's simple. Don't steal land. Don't steal water. Don't ethnically cleanse people off their land. Don't fence people in with concrete and bantustans.
AIM would like a word with you.
JR, kerosene and a match |
and pay up white eyes. Hell if the US paid the 2 billion in allotments they owe....I'd be rich.
You *are* going to do something about that, right?
V for Virginia
Actually, I think the judge did. There was a figure stated that he was supposed to pay on our final divorce decree. It remains to be seen whether he will pay.
I have to get this plant my dad taught me about when I was a kid that only grows this time of year. I will do that tomorrow if I can and send out healing vibes to you all.
And in re. to Hecate's (?) point -- indeed! We all live on stolen land. Who lives on land that hasn't been stolen at one point by their ancestors? Very few do ...
DAS
But many wrongs do not make a right.
The Isreali's need to come to an accomodation with the Palestinians. A fair one.
WV -- apply for food stamps.
They'll fix his little red wagon.
View of a spill ... or not:
"We tried to drive back to the spill site but TVA became irate when we pulled off the road and tried to take some pictures - Matt and I were detained for almost an hour at a check point yesterday - TVA personnel appear to be under great strain, which is understandable but IMO they over-reacted. All we were doing was taking photos. This is a similar situation to what happened in Martin County - they block the roads for "public safety." Even the media is having trouble getting access now."
And because CNN and NPR and the rest waited several DAYS to cover the story, they won't be getting any kind of decent information now.
Way to go, corporate media. No wonder people have been turning to blogs. You suck.
the burning bush didn't want me to drink wine tonight. Bottle fell out of the car onto the driveway. All gone.
ErinPDX
It's Saturday, and early on the left coast.
I'd go get more, myself.
but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:38 pm
And I need to switch my back with its branches for healing, too. Whiich I should have already done.
Of course I know. Don't have the money, time, or energy to fight with him about it.
Willendorf Venus
Just file a complaint, at least you'd get any tax refunds.
we all live on stolen land. Who lives on land that hasn't been stolen at one point by their ancestors? Very few do ...
DAS | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:41 pm | #
reminds me of the case of the salamanca (sp?) indians in jamestown, ny. their land was forceably leased to the white settlers at an absurdly low amount for 99 years. the lease ran out in the late 1980s (iirc) and they raised the rate to something close to market value.
provoking righteous indignation from the current and largely low income residents. it was quite the conundrum, but i believe the salamancas eventually won and now hold a bunch of worthless land that no one will rent from them.
It remains to be seen whether he will pay.
Willendorf Venus
Yanno, people are often hesitant to report non-payment to the court, thinking that if he's in jail he can't pay it.
I know you're smart enough to see the deep, gaping flaw in this logic.
What's so difficult to understand about this?
Lester
vastly oversimplifying things always makes them "easy to understand"
anybody who thinks the world and human affairs are easy to understand is an idiot
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but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:38 pm
Let me try that again. I don't know about that part. We're still responsible for the choices we make. The trick is to make choices that inflict the least harm.
how does israel's terrorism differ from al qaida's?
gary in fl | 12.27.08 - 7:42 pm | #
Who claimed it does?
he refuses to feel guilt for being born into and living in car culture.
raj patel of "stuffed and starved" said that feeling guilt will do nothing, but in feeling anger and outrage we have the power to change.
Anti-semites like Lester, and maniacs like Mrs. I make the whole issue very hard to talk about. But there are indeed many Jews, like Tacitus and myself, and an enormous constituency here and in Israel who support fair and just solution. Land for peace. It's the only way.
Heh. None from me. Latest outrage from my ex was when I suggested I make a budget because I run out of money at the end of the month. This from a man who unilaterally decided not to pay child support.
I know, I don't have it too bad, at all. But after 24 hours, I'm about ready to punch that man in the jaw. At xmas dinner, he told a story about how "we" got Son to eat veggies, that was 100% stolen from a story about how "I" got Son to eat veggies. I swallowed a big gulp of wine and didn't say, "Really? You did that to get him to eat veggies? Because what I remember is that you were off 'finding yourself' at that point and I was checking groceries all day, taking classes all night, and getting him to eat veggies all by my damn self, but maybe the sleep deprivation got to me."
So ronjazz, according to you, only Israel has clean hands, in the crisis in the Middle East? Did you ever stop and think about the history of occupation of another territory ? When that occurs, sh!t happens! When Israel gets entirely out of the occupied land, only then will there be peace.
but do we want to make it better, or would we rather wash our hands of it and justify inaction?
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:42 pm | #
i never suggested that. and you know that.
Hecate -- I admire your restraint.
I don't get it, but I admire it
It's Saturday, and early on the left coast.
I'd go get more, myself.
I love you.
As one who pays child support, the formula is set by the state. Depends on number of children supported and various financial variables.
But it's not a unilateral decision, unless one wants to get on Nancy Grace's shitlist.
Who claimed it does?
ronjazz | 12.27.08 - 7:46 pm | #
Well, basically, you morally claimed it doesn't.
When Israel gets entirely out of the occupied land, only then will there be peace.
Lester
Entirely, huh? And then, they drown themselves in the sea, right? Go fuck yourself.
Um, yeah, this whole ME peace problem?
Really not black and white in any regard.
That's why it's, you know, an ongoing international clusterfuck.
WV -- apply for food stamps.
They'll fix his little red wagon.
V for Virginia
They would laugh me out the door, since I make over 4x poverty level for a family of 2.
Anti-semites??
"Anti-Semitic"
If the "Jews" in question STOP pulling the "5000 years of persecution" card each and every single time somebody asks them to stop killing innocent people maybe JUST maybe there won't be this many ANTI SEMITES!
Hecate -- I admire your restraint.
I don't get it, but I admire it
My DiL wants to have a nice xmas dinner and she worked for two days to put it together. I can shut up for 24 hours. Telling this man what an asshole he is won't change anything; it will just upset her dinner. And, lucky for me, I can come here and vent.
Hecate, it's important to keep things calm and civil at family dinners, but it would have taken a lot more than a gulp of wine to keep me from saying that. You're a stronger woman than I.
So ronjazz, according to you, only Israel has clean hands, in the crisis in the Middle East? Did you ever stop and think about the history of occupation of another territory ? When that occurs, sh!t happens! When Israel gets entirely out of the occupied land, only then will there be peace.
Lester | 12.27.08 - 7:48 pm | #
Seriously, Lester, get somebody to translate English into Asshole for you. It'll be easier for you than learning English, that's for sure.
"Really? You did that to get him to eat veggies? Because what I remember is that you were off 'finding yourself' at that point and I was checking groceries all day, taking classes all night, and getting him to eat veggies all by my damn self, but maybe the sleep deprivation got to me."
A friend of mine, Andy Willey, wrote this brilliant song, "What I Didn' Say."
"All I know is, I didn't say it..."
And it goes into all of things he didn't say on purpose, to keep the marriage together, and all of the things he didn't say that he should have said.
So ronjazz,
Ronjazz, what's your secret?
All I get is an occasional namestealer.
You get stalkers by the dozens, it seems.
what ever lives kills.
wait a minute sumthn's wrong...
lord, oh mercy, this key won't unlock this door...
When Israel gets entirely out of the occupied land, only then will there be peace.
Lester
Dear Loser,
You suggested nuking Israel. So go fuck yourself.
Thanks,
i never suggested that. and you know that.
Your insistence on not being guilty seems puzzling, then...
If it had happened to you or your parents or grandparents, you'd be mightily pissed off, wouldn't you?
What's so difficult to understand about this? - Lester
Absolutely nothing. So I presume Lester than understand perfectly why Israelis (many of whom had parents or grandparents forceably expelled from their homes, etc.) are pretty damned pissed and want to make damned sure that they never get forced off their land again?
Or does Lester feel that we Jews are condemned to wander the earth for killing Jesus or something? ...
anybody who thinks the world and human affairs are easy to understand is an idiot
I'm gonna watch some Doctor Who.
Well, basically, you morally claimed it doesn't.
2OżO9 | 12.27.08 - 7:49 pm | #
I don't recall doing that.
Israel kept withholding money that was owed to the Palestinians, denying electricity, water, food, and medicine, assassinating and imprisoning and bombing elected officials and innocent people in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, and were still illegally holding Hezbollah prisoners of war for 28 years.
That was the provocation. Israel baited and baited and baited Hamas and Hezbollah until they both finally responded, and than Israel pounced.
but that doesn't mean i have to take responsibility for the garbage heap into which we were all born.
So said Cain.
In Christian terms this is called original sin. Other religions have other terms for it.
We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And the purpose of our lives is to in some way, shape or form atone for that sin. Am I my brother's keeper? Yes I am.
Sin is not about sex, contrary to what the Rick Warrens of the world would have you believe.
TOW, you've had to work through all this. How are you holding up?
I can shut up for 24 hours. Telling this man what an asshole he is won't change anything; it will just upset her dinner. And, lucky for me, I can come here and vent.
I'm at the stage where I want to scream from the rooftops about an asshole, but I need to refrain. I know this.
So ronjazz, according to you, only Israel has clean hands
Lester
why do idiots always argue by putting words into people's mouth that they never said?
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You get stalkers by the dozens, it seems.
edub | 12.27.08 - 7:51 pm | #
It's a gift, and a curse.
dU= delta Q+ delta W
please do not ask me why tho.
fokowi
Delta Dawn?
When people push back on someone's desire to NOT fix things I think about the people who desire to WRECK things.
And people who support wrecking things because it will piss off liberals.
"I'm going to drive this big SUV just because it drives liberals crazy!"
I sometimes think "Why bother?" when I contemplate taking some action I wonder about the motivation of the people do take the opposite action. If I don't oppose them who will?
The thing with the Bush admin is "they got away with it" because not we couldn't figure out how to bust them correctly, with evidence and with the support of our leaders.
We might be able to do some work now, but some of the same forces that kept him safe are still in place plus the, "move along no body cares any more" attitude of the press.
We're still responsible for the choices we make. The trick is to make choices that inflict the least harm.
Libby, somewhat mellow | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:46 pm | #
oh, i think we can often do better than just inflict less harm. i'm cynical, but also angry and active. we can even at times reverse some harm.
my point wasn't "it's not my fault and i can't do anything anyway." my point was that, in my heart, i have never intentionally or directly oppressed anyone - by choice, and not seldom to my own detriment - and i am not going to take personal guilt for slavery (now or in the past) or terrorism or wars or stealing land from the native americans (who warred with each other over it as well, in cases) or what have you. i have enough to deal with just dragging my ass out of bed every morning and doing what i can in my own small circle of hell.
Israel baited and baited and baited Hamas and Hezbollah until they both finally responded, and than Israel pounced.
I wonder how much prodding they got from the U.S. government, too.
Hecate -- I admire your restraint.
I don't get it, but I admire it
V for Virginia
Hecate, you are light years more adult and civilized than I if you can have Christmas dinner with him.
I don't even want to look my ex in the eye when he comes for pick-up drop off.
why do idiots always argue by putting words into people's mouth that they never said?
Just to annoy you.
If the "Jews" in question STOP pulling the "5000 years of persecution" card each and every single time somebody asks them to stop killing innocent people maybe JUST maybe there won't be this many ANTI SEMITES!
Lester
this is how nazis and KKK members justify their racism
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Someone has their boot on someone else's throat, and you are outraged that the suffocating person is not measuring up to your anti-violence 100% pacifist standards? Should the European partisans (France, East Europe) have practiced non-violence against the Nazi occupation? Do you really think the living and human rights conditions of the Palestinians today are better than the French in Nazi-occupied Vichy France?
Exhausted, but fine, ErinPDX. I'm glad things will get back to normal this week. *knock on wood*
How are you? Has everyone in the family worked off their cabin fever?
I'm at the stage where I want to scream from the rooftops about an asshole, but I need to refrain. I know this.
Vicki, Who ♥ NTodd's Pa
Look up.
These rooftops are pretty, pretty, pretty high.
The only thing I ever say in public about this topic is that I don't say anything in public about this topic.
We might be able to do some work now, but some of the same forces that kept him safe are still in place plus the, "move along no body cares any more" attitude of the press.
Sp ocko | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:54 pm | #
I really feel that if we don't assign the press its rightful label of supporters of terrorism and defenders of war crimes that we have no hope. We have always had murderous assholes. Only this corporate press could have enabled them to become our leadership.
Hecate, you are light years more adult and civilized than I if you can have Christmas dinner with him.
I don't even want to look my ex in the eye when he comes for pick-up drop off.
I had a relationship with my ex that was quite amiable (I'm a peacemaker and an appeaser, that's pretty apparent), until his wife came into the picture. She does not want me within 5 miles of him.
I never understood why, really. It was so much better when we got along.
dU= delta Q+ delta W
please do not ask me why tho.
fokowi
to get hot tea?
We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And the purpose of our lives is to in some way, shape or form atone for that sin.
Depends on how you look at it, but yes, "it is not up to you to complete the work of perfecting the world, but neither are you free to refrain from doing it."
TOW-has coffee
You shouldn't be drinking coffee this time of night.
living and human rights conditions of the Palestinians today are better than the French in Nazi-occupied Vichy France?
Lester | 12.27.08 - 7:55 pm | #
Are you in the same dimension as the rest of us? You seem to be participating in a different discussion.
My DiL wants to have a nice xmas dinner and she worked for two days to put it together.
Oh, I see. I wasn't getting the whole family scenario. Good on ya for being the grownup.
Do you really think the living and human rights conditions of the Palestinians today are better than the French in Nazi-occupied Vichy France?
Lester
perhaps you should ask yourself where it started from and how it got this way
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why do idiots always argue by putting words into people's mouth that they never said?
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tacitus voltage
There's a reason it's called a strawman argument.
It's easy to construct, and it's made out of straw.
why exactly, do we *love* israel?
Here's something interesting. The writer of "Benjamin Button" lost all of his retirement money in the Bernie Madoff scam. His investment manager put his and others' money in that fund and now he's got nothing.
Look up.
These rooftops are pretty, pretty, pretty high.
That's an interesting point. And I'm already working through the part where I'm not so mad any more.
I'm just...I don't know...still shocked.
I hope he's having a good time. Wishing that he isn't having a good time stresses out my karma.
why exactly, do we *love* israel?
They are our only "friends" in a part of the world that has all of the oil.
you say you never compromise with the mystery tramp but now you realize...
as you stare into the vacuum of his eyes..
I want to make the world a better place for my great grandkids.
why exactly, do we *love* israel?
gary in fl | 12.27.08 - 7:58 pm | #
it gets us better treatment from the owners.
We think.
Good on ya for being the grownup.
See above re: big gulp of wine.
If you mean the cosmic creator, the idea that he/she/it exists is a human conceit.
CutUpSound
edited for accuracy
I just want to help make the world a better place.
Your insistence on not being guilty seems puzzling, then...
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 7:52 pm | #
if i see a kid bullying another i'll step in and stop it. if i see a mugger taking an old lady's purse i'll probably gauge what i can do to help and jump in slightly over my head. if i see an armed gang beating up on someone i may yell from a distance and try to get some help.
but whatever the end result, i'm not taking responsibility for pushing the kid down, stealing the purse or whatever foul motives to which the mob may have succumbed.
i'm sorry if you can't see the distinction, or if it seems that important to you. in the end, i don't really care one way or the other i guess. i was just saying.
why exactly, do we *love* israel?
gary in fl
does your (i am presuming here) hating it save a single life?
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NTodd always has a blog post already written and published every time I wax philosophical.
For there is nothing new under the sun, as NTodd already blogged it ...
I hope he's having a good time. Wishing that he isn't having a good time stresses out my karma.
Vicki
Dude's in Hawaii. Probably having a good time. If he feels any remorse it will be later.
She does not want me within 5 miles of him.
It's your bodacious tatas
For there is nothing new under the sun, as NTodd already blogged it ...
Ah, Ecclesiastes...one of my faves to quote...
Actually, I think the judge did. There was a figure stated that he was supposed to pay on our final divorce decree. It remains to be seen whether he will pay.
Don't judges take offense at being ignored?
But maybe he will wear a cursed tiki necklace in a surfing competition. That'll show him.
If he feels any remorse it will be later.
Willendorf Venus | 12.27.08 - 8:00 pm | #
If he feels any remorse it will be because he's horny.
Only this corporate press could have enabled them to become our leadership.
ronjazz | 12.27.08 - 7:56 pm
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One way this is accomplished is the way the press has been browbeaten into using the administrations words as "the" words.
If they call it "harsh interrogation" and the press uses that instead of torture they are making an editorial decision. I figured this out decades ago when the issue was how the people who were against abortion wanted to be called pro-life not anti-abortion.
This is almost a Style Guide issue.
"If an official says X you do not correct them UNLESS you can get an opposing official to say "It's not really X it's Z." They don't want to be the judges of truth they just get "in trouble" from one side or the other.
And radical Southern Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake lashed out at Pastor Rick Warren this week, insisting that "God will punish" Warren for appearing at the Obama inauguration.
The H-H-H-H-Horror!!
We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
well, everyone is entitled to their own religion. personally, i think that if there is a god then he is the one who has fallen short. so all in all, i'd rather that there isn't.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:00 pm | #
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That's what makes you a liberal like the rest of us.
The writer of "Benjamin Button" lost all of his retirement money in the Bernie Madoff scam.
don't worry - he'll get it back a few years ago.
lbo, maybe it's decaf.
don't worry - he'll get it back a few years ago.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:04 pm | #
But maybe he will wear a cursed tiki necklace in a surfing competition.
With all due respect, he's too umm...rotund...to surf. And he doesn't swim.
And he doesn't drink.
I imagine he's watching the babes in their bikinis, is what he's doing.
I imagine he's
And radical Southern Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake lashed out at Pastor Rick Warren this week, insisting that "God will punish" Warren for appearing at the Obama inauguration.
Yes, Warren is getting as much shit from the righties as Obama is getting from the lefties.
the thing i say when people ask me if i believe in god is,
not like you do.
The writer of "Benjamin Button" lost all of his retirement money in the Bernie Madoff scam.
don't worry - he'll get it back a few years ago.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
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I see what you are doing there.
Clever really.
i'm sorry if you can't see the distinction, or if it seems that important to you.
I do see the distinction, but in the end the question is larger than your little analogies. We're not talking about the single action of a single individual that you could or could not stop. We're talking about a larger set of mechanisms from which you benefit, whether you like it or not, or even know it or not.
Look at the patriarchy. We're all soaking in it, as Hecate likes to say. And even us anti-war schlubs benefit from our wars (at least insofar as the immediate, arguable benefits of "security"). That's something that we must fight against: our own comfort with the status quo, lest we use it in an effort to resolve dissonance to justify inaction.
So observing that you're not personally responsible for launching a war, or owning slaves, or whatever, is kinda moot and goes without saying. The more apt observation is: there is fucked up shit and no matter who started it, I have a responsibility to heal the world.
Ohhh foodie types, I just scored something to make you lust......
(they will rise to the bait...)
I hope he's having a good time. Wishing that he isn't having a good time stresses out my karma.
Don't stress your karma. There are plenty of us who are willing to stress our karma for you.
CBS is airing the Lord's Boot Camp, now.
don't worry - he'll get it back a few years ago.
I was also interested to learn that the same guy who wrote Benjamin Button also wrote Forrest Gump. I picked up some similarities between the two films, though I think BB is a much better movie.
Well, I'm sorry he lost his nest egg. He's 65 years old, so that sucks.
Evening, all. Beautiful, icy evening here on the West Side of St. Paul.
no matter who started it, I have a responsibility to heal the world.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:05 pm | #
It's really the only way forward.
Many seem to like backward.
Don't stress your karma. There are plenty of us who are willing to stress our karma for you.
Thanks.
I'm getting low on my Xanax.
I have a responsibility to heal the world.
NTodd, Trollson
tikkun olam
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There are plenty of us who are willing to stress our karma for you.
____league
I'd like my karma to run over him...
I never understood why, really. It was so much better when we got along.
Vicki, Who ♥ NTodd's Pa
Because he's giving in. Having screwed up once, he's doing what he can not to do it again. And the new wife is understandably jealous.
Bad combination.
I used to go up and visit my kids on Easter. Early in the morning, so we could do the egg thing and everything.
My new beau was furious that I'd be visiting while my ex was still in her pajamas.
It isn't just 'idiots' who twist other people's words into meaning something it's pretty obvious they didn't...
There are some plenty intelligent people that play that game when it suits their purposes. It's never been clear to me quite what those purposes are-- whether it's genuine misunderstanding or just ego-tripping on righteousness.
Evening, all. Beautiful, icy evening here on the West Side of St. Paul.
AndyMN
Makes "West Side" Hand Symbol
TOW, the boys have been out playing like little kids pretty much every day. Today was my first day to drive in about 2weeks. But we're surviving fine.
he is the one who has fallen short.
fucked it up real good,
just sayin'
israel is the thorn in the lion's paw.
there is fucked up shit and no matter who started it, I have a responsibility to heal the world.
:applause:
:applause:
:applause:
Don't judges take offense at being ignored?
____league
Generally, yes. I need to check to see if the payments are routed through some govt entity, or if he is just supposed to pay me.
I just like an occasional cold one.
I imagine he's watching the babes in their bikinis, is what he's doing.
I imagine he's
How is the secretary going to like that?
Where's your grav, olex?
Perfection is death. To perfect the world is to destroy it.
Israel is the lion's fucking keeper.
I"m going to visualize whirled peas now.
But maybe he will wear a cursed tiki necklace in a surfing competition. That'll show him.
Willendorf Venus
or bring home a lava stone from Paile's(sp) Mt.
Perfection is death. To perfect the world is to destroy it.
JR, kerosene and a match | 12.27.08 - 8:08 pm | #
Shit. I need another hit.
i just visualized whirled peas and it made me dizzy.
no matter what happens, though, there are so many who "know" that the only way to fix things is to "kill all the bad people". it is "so obvious" that those who believe this that they think that we "liberals" (or "socialists" or whatever...) are malicious impediments to peace and progress
what to do?
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Shit. I need another hit
keep it moving please and thank you
When a group of people mess up the banking system with their greed and pushing away any regulation it ends up damaging millions of people's lives.
But the person we send to prison is the ones who do physical violence. Financial violence doesn't carry the same penalties. Is it because they can hire better lawyers (yes) they can claim that it wasn't fraud, just business (yes) that it is easier to understand a mugging vs a CDS (yes).
Perfection is death. To perfect the world is to destroy it.
JR, kerosene and a match
Galadriel was really tempted to do it, though...
Where's your grav, olex?
AndyMN
I don't know...I'm not on my usual computer, I ahve highjacked me ma n' pas
How is the secretary going to like that?
____league
She can't complain. Free vacay.
what to do?
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tacitus voltage | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:10 pm | #
Kill them.
I passed up a hit today. Not happy about that, in retrospect.
I just like an occasional cold one.
3 occasions so far today.
How is the secretary going to like that?
She's probably one of them...
They don't have a romantic relationship, or so he says. It's more of a love/hate thing, through thick and thin. I have a feeling she's the one who talked him in to going for his 50th birthday, and also to sabotage his relationship with me. She's been single lately, and when she's single she starts interfering in things. She's pretty much destroyed all of his previous relationships in recent years.
You should all just shut the fuck up. You were the same ones saying there was no difference between Gore and Bush whan I was screaming for your attention. So don't give me no self-righteous crap.
I passed up a hit today. Not happy about that, in retrospect
Very bad move.
Shit. I need another hit.
ronjazz
It's OK, it's science, not philosophy.
there is fucked up shit and no matter who started it, I have a responsibility to heal the world.
you can not petition the lord with prayer.
Gloria.
dirk is right. NTodd is wrong, tho well meaning.
AndyMN: I passed up a hit today.
Of acid? Are you crazee?
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I passed up a hit today. Not happy about that, in retrospect.
AndyMN
I may be not passing up hits and listening to vinyl at my friends' palce later
"I have a responsibility to heal the world."
I have a responsibility to drink scotch
You were the same ones saying there was no difference between Gore and Bush whan I was screaming for your attention
I passed up a hit today. Not happy about that, in retrospect
Very bad move.
Barndog, relieved | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:12 pm | #
I don't think Incog's missed any.
You should all just shut the fuck up.
I'm glad you came to a blog to say that.
who talked him in to going
Think on that some.
I passed up a hit today. Not happy about that, in retrospect
life is too short.
olexicon Lou Who
That cracked me right up.
I passed up a hit today
maybe somebody will have a little shrub to burn at the party tonite...
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I passed up a hit today.
Like that would ever happen here.
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dirk is right. NTodd is wrong, tho well meaning.
Exactly the opposite, actually.
what to do?
toga party.
I may be not passing up hits and listening to vinyl at my friends' palce later
What's on tap? I just heard some Rob Bass & DJ EZ Rock.
They don't have a romantic relationship, or so he says. It's more of a love/hate thing, through thick and thin. I have a feeling she's the one who talked him in to going for his 50th birthday, and also to sabotage his relationship with me. She's been single lately, and when she's single she starts interfering in things. She's pretty much destroyed all of his previous relationships in recent years.
Seems like they kind of deserve each other right now.
Think on that some.
Two pages in the journal on that one.
olex 
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Kill them.
ronjazz
it's obvious!
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abramoff should have gotten a lot more than 6 years. 6 years would have been ok for rush.
You were the same ones saying there was no difference between Gore and Bush whan I was screaming for your attention. So don't give me no self-righteous crap.
I argued with YOU in the summer of 2000?
Not a chance, buddy.
Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Talk about Benjamin Button.
After that scoot, in the leater jacket, I must admit: I stink.
I need a shower. It's HAWT out there!
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Dumbass, we in the gay community knew what was going to happen. That's all.
don't have a romantic relationship
But they're in Hawaii together for the holidays?
And I am Marie of Romaina.
Vicki, just my worthless drivel, but this guy doesn't really sound like much of a catch. I mean, really.
It was 58 here, today, JP. Snow melting all over the place.
i dont think this site was even around in 2000.
JP, not the sweet nectar of some lab.
My brother smokes lots and lots and lots of weed. I used to, as well. Probably should'a stuck to it, now that I look back at it. But it would have cost me a few jobs.
Evening, all
tanta lives...
Vicki - isn't really something of a relief? You don't really want to be with somebody who behaves like this, do you? And right at the new year too - a good time to start fresh, for you.
I passed up a hit today. Not happy about that, in retrospect.
AndyMN
Okay.
The first rule about Fight Club. . .
TRANYA! Hahahahha!
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I do see the distinction, but in the end the question is larger than your little analogies
they are analogies. little by design. the whole point is to reduce large and complex issues into small models to make them easier to understand. jesus didn't really care about how big a fucking tree grew from a mustard seed, you know.
That's something that we must fight against: our own comfort with the status quo, lest we use it in an effort to resolve dissonance to justify inaction.
i haven't been comfortable with anything for, well, my whole life basically. again, i never suggested justifying inaction.
So observing that you're not personally responsible for launching a war, or owning slaves, or whatever, is kinda moot and goes without saying
analogies. little. representative. my very first comment that started this firestorm was "i've never oppressed anyone in my life." it doesn't make me a saint or a great activist or a ghandi or anything else. but it is a conscious effort and i don't feel it is moot in the least. not in my little orbit. believe me, i could be living a far more comfortable life had i made different choices.
i have a responsibility to "the world?" what "world?" i have a reach, it isn't long, i do what i can and really i'm amazed with myself for not having just laid down and given up that much before now. i'm hardly blind to the interconnectedness of all things, or the cummulative effect of one more water bottle in the landfill, or one more dollar to the military industrial complex. so don't lecture me on responsibility and inaction. i have a point of view. and in my point of view, being born on a small land mass in the northwest quadrasphere of an insignificant planet at the far end of an unpopular galaxy no more makes me responsible for every side effect than it does give me some kind of superiority over the rest of the miserable inhabitants of this rock.
i should have quit after the button joke.
But they're in Hawaii together for the holidays?
Really, no one wants me to start on this topic.
I'm a mite testy about it at the moment.
Evening, all
DWD-S☮S
Hi DWD!
How you feeling today? Eating?
Exactly the opposite, actually.
NTodd, Trollson
my wife has this little saying "the world according to charley."
it would be a great world if it existed.
and nobody would pass up hits.
I think Balok was played by Ron Howard's li'l brother, Cliff, IIRC.
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don't have a romantic relationship
But they're in Hawaii together for the holidays?
And I am Marie of Romaina.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:16 pm | #
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Vicki, just my worthless drivel, but this guy doesn't really sound like much of a catch. I mean, really.
ronjazz | 12.27.08 - 8:16 pm
I know, I know. It's sickening.
Auntie GWPDA!
How do you feel about shortbreads?
(I can't lure any of the other foodies out)
You should all just shut the fuck up.
What would be the point?
id like to buy the world some coke, but i dont have nearly enough money.
I am in Hawaii. My last warm weather vacation was 1994. I only was able to get the money to pay for it last Saturday. My secretary paid $2000 of it. Her daughter is here too. My secretary is also my best friend of 20 years. I am not having sex with my secretary. I did not tell Vicki because I did not want to disrupt her holiday and I knew she could not go anyways. I thought she would be happy for me. She is not and has called my cell phone a dozen times. I am staying until Dec. 30. I am having a great time. The power was out for 12 hours last night but it is 70 degrees at night so who cares. This place is paradise. Once in your life you all must come here some how. Please tell Vicki to stop calling me. I know she is mad at me but she is doing herself no good. I have never been west of the Mississippi before this trip.
I refuse to let anyone dictate the terms of how I spend my time. Christmas is the only time I can safely abandon my business for enough time to take a vacation like this. Vicki can go to Hawaii on her own if she wants when she feels like it.
If you must hate me for doing this. I understand. But I did not cheat on her.
PS I apologize to Hecate and monica for using the word pussy.
Hi DWD!
How you feeling today? Eating?
Sp ocko
A little. An egg roll for supper. A taco for lunch. Just enough I guess.
Hope you are doing well with your Vulcan Self.
I think Balok was played by Ron Howard's li'l brother, Cliff, IIRC.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Something about that boy ain't right.
id like to buy the world some coke, but i dont have nearly enough money.
shoeattack | 12.27.08 - 8:19 pm | #
you commies never do. fuckin freeloaders.
How do you feel about shortbreads?
Yay, shortbread!
Boo, sweetbreads!
I must admit: I stink
There are some future internet 'advances' I will be able to do without.
Exactly the opposite, actually.
NTodd, Trollson | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:14 pm | #
ok, you've got me there.
maybe i'll have to rethink this.
Oh, go fuck yourself, you useless lying sack of pustulent crap.
I'm not even reading your drivel.
Eat shit and die.
Wow.
Yay, shortbread!
Boo, sweetbreads!
GWPDA
And how do you feel about unusual moulds?
I think Balok was played by Ron Howard's li'l brother, Cliff, IIRC.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
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20 quatloos to the man on the scooter.
Cliff in almost all of Ron's movies.
But my favorite role of his was in Wrath. Starring Charlie Sheen. It is a VERY weird movie and he plays a very weird character.
However, fond tho I am of you all, I soooooooo much do not want to hang around and eavesdrop on the forthcoming conversation that I am going away now. G'bye!
She's pretty much destroyed all of his previous relationships in recent years.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:11 pm | #
You'd think he'd pick up on that.
...LIstening to Randy Bachmann's Vinyl Tap....
My point is made.
gwpda has the right idea. over and out.
Terror Attack death toll now at 229
But but but If I kill some bad people I will be bad people!
I did not tell Vicki because I did not want to disrupt her holiday and I knew she could not go anyways.
well, there is no sense feeling guilty about it. it isn't your fault you were born on this miserable rock.
The swimming in Hawai'i is wonderful, you really should try it.
very safe and relaxing.
Amazing video of the aftermath of the TVA coal ash spill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=z...player_embedded
I was just thinking that when a certain someone showed up here he would be treated like a particularly loathsome relative of the poop troll and guess who immediately puts in an appearance.
I DO NOT THINK THAT ANYONE HERE BELIEVES YOU.
i have a point of view. and in my point of view, being born on a small land mass in the northwest quadrasphere of an insignificant planet at the far end of an unpopular galaxy no more makes me responsible for every side effect
Now your speaking in hyperbole. Nobody said you're responsible for everything. Some have noted that you do enjoy benefits of the existing system in many respects, and acknowledging that can be powerful in helping understand why other people might have anger and why you might feel compelled to act.
I see a lot of people, and I'm not saying you, will say things like, "I voted for Gore/Nader/Batman" so it's not my fault there's a war. Then they end up doing nothing else to end it. Hey, they're right, but they might consider they don't have to dodge car bombs on the way to work so maybe they could do a smidge more to end the war that they didn't start. And think about other impacts, whether intended or not, that their society and their own role in it (e.g., consuming) might play.
that I am going away now. G'bye!
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 12.27.08 - 8:21 pm | #
toga party at my place.
ps. bring food.
i really think i could have come up with something better. the religious cult brainwashing excuse showed some promise, imho.
CNN quick poll:
Will you miss President Bush?
Yes 20% 46647
No 80% 191534
Still too many goofy motherfuckers out there.
so bush and obama are cool with the gaza massacre?
thanks So. Beale.
it isn't your fault you were born on this miserable rock.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:22 pm | #
Hey, you're a gentlyist. stop defending yourself.
isn't really something of a relief? You don't really want to be with somebody who behaves like this, do you? And right at the new year too - a good time to start fresh, for you.
Yes, and yes.
I'm just processing.
I feel free and naked.
It's kind of weird though, without being able to talk, because we did that all the time. I'm just shocked at the prospect of the whole thing, is all. It was so well hidden from me, I really had no clue that he was going to Hawaii. Except for the fact that he gave me an additional e-mail address to write to him at. He said it was for "in case he was away from the office," which I took to mean "in court." I had no reason to believe he was going to Hawaii, there were no clues.
Perhaps that whole testy bullshit over the "pussy" stuff was his way of getting mad at the blog, so that he felt he had some righteous indignation going on. Even though he was wrong.
Just sayin'. Those are the only two clues I can come up with, in retrospect. Everything else was moving along as per normal, up to and including the fact he was going to spend Christmas at his parents' home (or so he said).
Just processing. I don't really have any friends who are in town with whom I can talk about this...no one knew him, really, except Jim and Jody, and Jim's working all weekend, and Jody is now in Norway.
I just feel kind of weird and antsy, and the way in which this is tied into the New Year is fascinating.
I know Virgina's pissed about this, royally...I'm so sorry, V. She knows I'm confused as hell and stun-gunned right now.
Anybody seen the movie Deep Water? Absolute worst movie ever.
so bush and obama are cool with the gaza massacre?
Would you fuck off already, Gary?
Now your speaking in hyperbole.
story of my life. too big or too small.
so bush and obama are cool with the gaza massacre?
gary in fl | 12.27.08 - 8:24 pm | #
is that what they said? I didn't here that.
Hope you are doing well with your Vulcan Self.
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:19 pm
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Good. At least some food will stop the weight loss glad to hear it.
I'm having a bit of brain overload. I have I'm "overwriting" some letters which often make them too wonky and not powerful enough.
I've written the same letter about 39 times and thrown it all in a 3500 word document. I need to focus, clean it up and get it out. I also need to update my blog, eat right and exercise more. But that's where I am right now.
buzzflash: Photo of Bush and pardon revoked Toussie
CNN Quick Vote:
Will you miss President Bush?
Yes 20% 46473
No 80% 190837
Yes, the sights of my rifle are bent?
I refuse to let anyone dictate the terms of how I spend my time.
What a great partner you would have made Vicki. Good on ya for skulking around and being dishonest whilst never making a fucking effort to visit her.
unpopular galaxy
nobody interesting ever comes to the milky way these days...
.
PS I apologize to Hecate and monica for using the word pussy.
They weren't the only ones offended by your use of that word, you know.
I know Virgina's pissed about this, royally...I'm so sorry, V. She knows I'm confused as hell and stun-gunned right now.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:24 pm | #
You stick with us. You just described our usual condition.
is that what they said? I didn't here that.
ronjazz
gary heard something like that from the john he was blowing.
And how do you feel about unusual moulds?
JR, kerosene and a match
JANINE...Do you have any hobbies?
SPENGLER I collect spores, molds and fungus.
JANINE Oh, that's very - unusual.
SPENGLER I think it's the food of the future.
JANINE Remind me not to go to lunch with you.
Yes, the sights of my rifle are bent?
1Watt
I did that one yesterday.
great minds think alike
That's really him.
I hate food, the only reason I eat it is to piss off the other food.
But I did not cheat on her.
er, you did, dude.
if i went to hawaii with vicki, even if she paid for all of it, and we had seperate rooms and didn't even have meals together, and left mrs g behind, on christmas no less, you can bet she would consider that "cheating"
and she would be right. even if i didn't tell her about it until after i got there, to spare her feelings.
That's really him.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 12.27.08 - 8:27 pm | #
No shit.
Please, please, consider yourself lucky.
Yes, the sights of my rifle are bent?
I can fix that for you.
.
Tralfaz
You have a problem with spores?
(Ok, don't give Tralfaz to the Mi-Go)
We do have thunderstorms rolling in by midnight, so I'll have to go back out and put the cover on Big Red Ugly before long.
.
Really, fuck all that fancy food that thinks its so great!!
I'll show you!!
*slurps down some Ramen noodles*
NTodd, I'm glad you have that energy. You haven't dealt with what I have as a gay activist even before all this. I will continue to fight. It's just in me but it can't be my main focus anymore. I deserve to be happy and free of that pain.
but she is doing herself no good.
That line is in dire need of a punch in the teeth.
and she would be right. even if i didn't tell her about it until after i got there, to spare her feelings.
See, we can agree!
obama are cool with
i imagine presnelect slim is crafting a calm, evenhanded, and morally unexceptionable response in his patented calm, evenhanded, and morally unexceptionable manner
.
Yep, I'm out, too.
Later, all you people who are not scum sucking selfish self-absorbed self-obsessed self-interested dishonest manipulative man-children!
It's made me more reclusive but so be it.
That line is in dire need of a punch in the teeth.
annieangel
And for the first time ever, every single poster here is in agreement with annie.
Three sets of cuffs for this fat boy, dang!
.
I did that one yesterday.
great minds think alike
JR, kerosene and a match
Emo Phillips did that 20+ years ago.
I did not tell Vicki because I did not want to disrupt her holiday and I knew she could not go anyways.
Oh, really? You did not know that, not by any stretch of the imagination. I have the whole fucking week off.
You said you loved me and you wanted to marry me, and you're in Hawaii with your secretary. How do you think that makes me feel?
even if i didn't tell her about it until after i got there, to spare her feelings.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Via
text
message.
Because that's just the kind of cowardly weasel that you are, in that situation.
/really out now
But I did not cheat on her.
'Cheating' is not just a function of which body parts end up in or on other body parts.
The most important part of any relationship is the caring time spent together, sitting up all night talking or just holding hands. Cheating goes way beyond your little winkie, you wimp.
only in Incog world does racist bigot=gay activist.
keep living the fantasy, asshole
Emo Phillips did that 20+ years ago.
1Watt
not with Bush as the punchline, he wasn't.
The general gist of the joke I got from my father, who got it from his faather, who .....
Needs more kitteh?
.
Same thing she did to me folks.
But all you said then to me was get over it.
And she actually cheated on me. And she told me she was going to Arizona with her mother. She went there alone and had sex with Krsaz.
So save your righteous indignation for someone who deserves it.
One person felt sorry for me last March. Gromit. The rest of you could care less.
i'm going to bed.
ntodd has worn me down with simple contradiction to a premise that i never propounded (is that a word?) and gomez has depressed me with how little consideration humans have for each other.
but it's ok. i still have lots of scotch. and at least i enjoy crossing swords with one of them, even if my choices are limited to a penknife or a claymore. in the end, we're fighting the same battles.
Vicki
Don't explain. He's too fucking thick.
Let's figure out some new recession proof jobs.
Debtor Prison guards
Bodyguards for neocons.
Travel agents for Hague air travel and hotel rooms.
Gruel servers.
Paper shredders for Republicans.
And she actually cheated on me.
Dude, it doesn't count when she's broken up with you. Go piss up a rope. Spare us your righteous indignation and consider your own fucking actions rather than trying to justify them. You blew it. Get over it.
SCOOTER COURIERS!
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well, i still agree with dirk on the whole.
but i don't denigrate the NTodd's either. change does happen and usually it requires a catalyst.
there is nothing i can say about gomez and vicki, this shit is not easy.
miserable rock, the guy has a way with words.
Spoc ko.. that comment last night I made.
I was refering to "cold induced shrinkage", not any of your personal.. attributes.
Tralfaz
You have a problem with spores?
It's usually not the spores but the toxin that does you in.
ntodd has worn me down with simple contradiction to a premise that i never propounded
It's called discussion, which tends to enlarge as it progresses. And I don't think I did, anyway.
i guess saturnday is moral indignation day
i think if i get to the deli i can gets some stuffed cabbage
later...
.
For someone who wants Vicki to stop calling him, guess the balls aren't big enough to actually speak to the one he should be speaking with, he sure is acting like a fucking puke online.
Stop posting, Gomez. Go enjoy yourself, you said you were having a wonderful time. Prove it. Go.
Well, I dont like to get caught up in personal matters, therefore I have no opinion on who is right or wrong only that the parties involved work things out and remain friends.
First I heard she broke up with me then.
I only heard that when she came back and was flirting with the guy she fucked in Arizona.
So get it right, NTodd. And go piss up a rope yourself. You don't know the whole story
JR, kerosene and a match
I thank you and my Vulcanhood thank you.
this has been another episode of "As the Blog Turns" ... tune again next time when we'll hear ..
I don't think I belong here....later.
sheets....
Damn, Gomez, I wish you would have worked through that anger about my trip to AZ before you proposed to me.
I thought we had addressed that adequately.
ain't nuth'n but a hound dog
if there is a god, his name is jimi.
OK, pulling the piano key board down and packing my guitar. Later folks.
The general gist of the joke I got from my father, who got it from his faather, who .....
JR, kerosene and a match
hey asshole, correct your spelling.
Way too much energy goes into dividing ourselves into smaller and smaller groups.
First I heard she broke up with me then.
Bullshit. I broke up with you in January. You just refused to accept it.
if there is a god, his name is jimi.
charley
IABE
Stop calling me like a psycho then, Vicki.
Its over.
Stop calling me like a psycho then, Vicki.
Its over.
Gomez
Wow, did you plan this this way?
projection?
Bye folks. Next time wait to hear the whole story.
Don't talk to him, Vicki. I know you don't like me, but don't talk to him.
Make him call you if he wants to speak to you.
And then hang up.
sheetz
Person the bigger be.
This place is paradise. Once in your life you all must come here some how.
That's a revelation.
Never heard that before.
Later, all you people who are not scum sucking selfish self-absorbed self-obsessed self-interested dishonest manipulative man-children!
V for Virginia, Boxing
whew! dodged a bullet there!
Gomez is a douchebag.
This is almost as bad as the horrendous Hugh Grant-Sandra Bullock movie I just left.
“We hope to do to this industry what Wal-Mart did to theirs, Starbucks did to theirs, Costco did to theirs and Lowe’s-Home Depot did to their industry. And I think if we’ve done our job, five years from now you’re not going to call us a bank.” (Kerry K. Killinger, WaMu CEO, 2003).
Well, at least Mr. Killinger got one thing right. Five years after this statement, we aren't calling Washington Mutual a bank, but instead bank-rupt, driven to bankruptcy by crazed scam artists like Mr. Killinger.
How much you want to bet that Mr. Killinger is a Bush Pioneer, and has only donated to Republican Party candidates...and has more than likely met with top Bush administration officials, including probably George W. Bush himself, during the time that all these spurious loans were being rammed through Washington Mutual?
Where the FUCK were those 10 thousand dollar finder fees for "at risk" borrowers when I was in Real Estate 12 years ago?
I sucked on 150K houses that took 5 months to sell until I finally quit and took a job in market research.
Fuck Real Estate. I hope Coldwell and Banker have to blow their brains out in shame.
No, I won't hold my breath.
I pity the fool who calls himself Gomez.
I put a HEX on you, Gomez!!!
NOBODY fucks with my family and gets away with it!
Eat shit and die!
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