HULK SMASH
fristula!
the chimp can blow me.
Hillary For Senate Majority Leader!
i will be sad and lonely this weekend, not at the con.
4th
"This represents a supply of 9.8 months at the current sales rate."
Sweet tapdancing jebus.
fristula!
jdw |
Too bad that hadn't come up sooner when Frist was still in power.
"This represents a supply of 9.8 months at the current sales rate."
WE MUST MAKE MORE!
I got my house, screw the rest of youse.
Ok it'll be my house in about 25 years, but you get the idea.
That is, if I don't get laid off in the meantime.
oh futz.
New Home Sales
Still flat.
"Not me!"
- Denny Hastert
Impeach Bush anyway or else we will be paying him $200,000 for retirement every year.
Hillary For Senate Majority Leader!
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Hopefully that will mollify her and her supporters.
We'd have a woman House Speaker and a woman Majority Leader.
In eight years, a woman President!!! Amy Clinton for Prez!
The median sales price of new houses sold in February 2008 was $244,100; the average sales price was $296,400.
Quite a mismatch, no?
I've completely reversed my position on which direction real estate prices should take. Don't know why, it just kind of happened....
The Bush Administration, where free speech goes to die:
MIAMI -- The Air Force lawyer who quit as chief prosecutor for the Guantanamo Bay war court five months ago because of what he called political interference has asked to leave the U.S. military, he said. Col. Morris D. Davis said he submitted retirement papers last week, because of fallout from his criticism of the Guantanamo court and because of family concerns.
Speaking of housing sales, hasn't the White House been for sale these last 7 years?
In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
Er Amy Carter I meant.
Oh futz.
Quite a mismatch, no?
Halfdan
Lotsa cheap places and a few really, really expensive ones.
Are there any other McJobs available?
Hmmm, not sure. Lotds of unemployment around here, so there are plenty of adults working these gigs. And a lot of positions are closed because she's not 18 for two more months.
I think she should apply at Lowe's, myself. She's good with tools.
In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
and make them sign the contract in their own blood. You forgot that.
Last night, someone posted an article claiming that US soldiers had been captured by the resistance. Does anybody have anything on that?
Still flat
Just like the jobs for union auto workers or steel workers, or machinists or textile workers or IT CAREERISTS or honest politicians.
But it really hurts the important people in our economy who make money off of other peoples money and that is TRULY bad.
In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
Dr. Wu
Highly unusual negotiating tactics but in this climate they might work.
Why isn't she in school?
and make them sign the contract in their own blood. You forgot that.
scoopernicus
Thanks--that's the kind of expert advice I need!
My house, is a very very very fine house, with two cats and a yard, life used to be so hard....
In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
Dr. Wu
You can do it with the owners of existing homes too. If you have some money, now is the best time to buy a house in 20 years.
"I think she should apply at Lowe's, myself. She's good with tools."
you don't think like an antrapenewer. have her get a truck, buy some mowers, round up some messicans, and start her own business.
[reposted from downstairs]
"We're teetering at the edge of believing that you're a secret society, a massive collection of sleeper cells just waiting for your chance to do serious harm to the rest of us"
I think I speak for everyone here, except for the racist fuckwit trolls, when I simply say --
"What you mean 'we', white man?"
Why isn't she in school?
Graduated in January and wanted a semester off before college.
I don't want Clinton as majority leader. Unless McCain is elected, that would be a real mess.
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And sorry for the repeat blogwhore, but my musical tribute to race relations in America can be found over at the homepage...
And don't forget to add the blowjob as a contingency in escrow....
Graduated in January and wanted a semester off before college.
Well then she should hitch-hike across the country with a notebook and a guitar.
Thanks--that's the kind of expert advice I need!
Dr. Wu |
I'm too timid a guy to try it myself, but I'd love to hear how it worked for you.
Are there any other McJobs available?
Iraq IED fodder and Repo Man are growth industries.
blerb,
I hear getting a loan is a nightmare and the loan guys, always assholes, wont lock in low rates and manipulate the docs to delay, hoping money will cost more.
You big silly. The Realtor(TM) advertisement on the radio told me that on average, homes double in value in the span of 10 years!
"What you mean 'we', white man?"
steve simels
Speaking as a white man, I welcome our new sleeper cell overlords.
I don't want Clinton as majority leader. Unless McCain is elected, that would be a real mess.
See, this really gets my back up. Why the hell not, except that you want to see her crushed and destroyed and driven from public life and, if you can manage it, life on earth?
One more time for the slow kids: their policy positions are all but identical. Hers are slightly to the left of his, but they're both centrists.
The only reason to keep her out of the position is to punish her.
The average price of a home where I live is about 45G. Where the fuck are they getting these #s?!
I hear getting a loan is a nightmare and the loan guys, always assholes, wont lock in low rates and manipulate the docs to delay, hoping money will cost more.
peterboy
Could be, I don't know. Our mortgage broker was recommended to us by multiple firends, and we got a pretty good deal, applying right as the lower FNMA conforming limits were hitting in CA.
I don't want Clinton as majority leader. Unless McCain is elected, that would be a real mess.
Politics, sometimes you have to throw a bone to an opponent.
"The Realtor(TM) advertisement on the radio told me that on average, homes double in value in the span of 10 years!"
i've seen them on the teevee. makes me wanna go right out and buy, but something is holding me back: no money!
But they did want all kinds of documentation from us, including images of 12 months of canceled rent checks.
Dr. Wu : In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
Um...yes, actually:
Lowball Offers on the Rise :
By LISA PREVOST
Published: March 16, 2008
Low bidders are sharpening their pencils in the New York suburbs. Sometimes, they meet with success.
Why isn't she in school?
Graduated in January and wanted a semester off before college.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:18 am |
Volunteering if she can't get employment (Habitat, that sort of thing)
"flat home sales mean the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts are working. Jack Kemp, have you ever considered a threesome with myself and Arthur Laffer?"-Larry Kudlow
Politics, sometimes you have to throw a bone to an opponent.
Obama would make a fine Sec. of State.
Er, I meant the higher FNMA-conforming limits.
Houses here in Grand Rapids are selling, but at 20% less than a year ago.
Steve, I posted a Bill-Shatner-related comment on your "Mr. Tambourine Man" thread.
Anyone know if drop in home sales is leading to real estate agents lowering their [rather exhorbitant] commissions?
The inventory ffigure in the clip posted was 471,000 but this was single-family homes. What's the number look like if you include condos, townhomes etc.?
its all billarys fault.
NYT Op-ed:
John McCain’s politics are best understood as a decade-long attack on the individual.
...in both legislation and rhetoric, Mr. McCain has consistently sought to restrict the very freedoms he once exercised, in the common national enterprise of “serving a cause greater than self-interest.”
Such sentiment can sound stirring coming from a lone citizen freely choosing public service. But from a potential president, Mr. McCain’s exaltation of sacrifice over the private pursuit of happiness — “I did it out of patriotism, not for profit,” he snarled to Mitt Romney during the final Republican presidential debate — reflects a worryingly militaristic view of citizenship.
“We are fast becoming a nation of alienating individualists, unwilling to put the unifying values of patriotism ahead of our narrow self-interests,” Mr. McCain warned in a speech during his 2000 presidential campaign. He added that “cynicism threatens to become a ceiling on our greatness.”
Where there are threats to national greatness, there are activities that Mr. McCain insists the federal government should curtail. And the most maverick individuals among us are destined to bear the brunt.
Teenagers are cynical about professional sports because of steroids (a “transcendent issue,” Mr. McCain once thundered in the Senate), so he has proposed that the government be given the authority to demand that even Division II college athletes be subject to the personal intrusion of random drug testing and punishment. Likewise, because betting on college sports could make one cynical about games possibly being thrown, Mr. McCain wanted to make that a federal offense.
The senator’s ideas for “reform” — taxing cigarettes, banning ultimate fighting, giving the president a line-item veto — typically empower the executive branch at the expense of American citizens and their representatives.
"Why the hell not, except that you want to see her crushed and destroyed and driven from public life and, if you can manage it, life on earth?"
little over the top. i just want her to stop campaigning like a republican, and for bill to shut the fuck up and go back to playing golf with the chimp's pappy.
i don't think it would be wise to make her majority leader if obama wins.
[Cheney] It's good that home sales are stable because it gives people more time to spend on E-bay in their new economy jobs [/Cheney]
Anyone know if drop in home sales is leading to real estate agents lowering their [rather exhorbitant] commissions?
No idea. A sister of one of my friends started her own real estate biz about ten years ago, and over the years has brought almost all her sisters to work in it. (There's six of them.) They left positions as nurses and engineers to do this.
God knows what will happen to them.
I hear getting a loan is a nightmare and the loan guys, always assholes, wont lock in low rates and manipulate the docs to delay, hoping money will cost more.
peterboy
How unimaginative. There are so many ways to screw a borrower that loan brokers should strive to have their vic... client thanking them until after the ink is dry.
The average price of a home where I live is about 45G. Where the fuck are they getting these #s?!
Elias's March madness. | 03.26.08 - 10:21 am | #
Where you live, but it's the average nationwide, which means the expenisive housing on the coasts is also factored in.
And I can assure you the average cost of a house here in Dayton, not even the 'burbs, has gone up.
One more time for the slow kids: their policy positions are all but identical. Hers are slightly to the left of his, but they're both centrists.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Speaking of antrapenewereeal:
Teen Sex for Sale: Middle School Madam Busted
Actually, if you are a good borrower, I think the loan companies are pretty much dying for your business. They will never be healthy again until they can find good debt to replace all that bad debt. But you need 20% down and a near-perfect credit record.
NYT Op-ed:
John McCain’s politics are best understood as a decade-long attack on the individual.
If I didn't know better I'd swear that this was an attack from the liberal media.
I don't want Clinton as majority leader. Unless McCain is elected, that would be a real mess.
I dunno, I think she'd do better than Harry has at fucking with the Republicans just to get them to say her name out loud. And she's shown with her second FISA vote that she will actually listen to public outcry, which, again, more than fucking Harry's managed.
A.
Bodacious?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23797447/
Morning batses.
One more time for the slow kids: their policy positions are all but identical. Hers are slightly to the left of his, but they're both centrists.
What? Someone speaking truth about the candidates?
Unpossible!
i just want her to stop campaigning like a republican, and for bill to shut the fuck up and go back to playing golf with the chimp's pappy.
Well, I agree with the first part of this, for what it's worth, but not the second. He should, however, go back to running CGI.
But I don't see any reason to keep a capable and tough (tougher than Rollover Harry) legislator out of that position except for spite.
One more time for the slow kids: their policy positions are all but identical. Hers are slightly to the left of his, but they're both centrists.
"Policy positions" are interesting in the abtract, but they don't mean anything if you keep letting your opponents define the rules for getting them implemented.
`One more time for the slow kids: their policy positions are all but identical. Hers are slightly to the left of his, but they're both centrists.I>
Although her latest swipe at Obama via Wright, using the vehicle of Scaife, makes me want to crush her completely and drive her before me, weeping and wailing, out into the political wilderness.
But that's probably just me....
Politics, sometimes you have to throw a bone to an opponent.
Obama would make a fine Sec. of State.
Elias's March madness. | 03.26.08 - 10:22 am |
well, he'd be better than the current holder of that job, but should he not be the next President (or VP), I'd like him to stay in the Senate.
besides, if Hillary wins, I think Sec of State will finally go to Holbrooke.
blerb : But you need 20% down and a near-perfect credit record.
The Meanders: renting FOR-FUCKING-EVER.
Anyone happen to see Chelsea's response to a nosy questioner at an Indiana college yesterday?
I loved it. The studend questioned Hillary's credibility in light of the Lewinsky affair.
Chelsea, after a thoughtful pause, told the questioner that "it's none of your business."
You rock, sweet pea.
Hers are slightly to the left of his, but they're both centrists.
and center is pretty far right these days. as atrios has pointed out, there doesn't seem to be an limit on the extreme right side.
the limit on the left seems to be approving of the concept of medicare.
So upset by Hillary I got slanties!
Clearly she is unfit for higher office!
I don't want Clinton as majority leader.
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I voted for her in the primary, but her systematic efforts to make Obama unelectable have made me wish she would just go away. I think if she doesn't get the nomination she becomes irrelevant within the party. Too much bad blood at this point.
Damn. It's 930 a.m. and I haven't told Chuck Norris to fuck off yet.
I'm getting forgetful.
Interestingly, existing home sales were up a bit in Feb.
.The Meanders: renting FOR-FUCKING-EVER.
Meander
I feel your pain. We waited a long, long time for this.
But that's probably just me....
You, half the posters here, and Maureen Dowd.
Me, I think it's stupid, spiteful, and short-sighted.
In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
You have to bang his mom, too.
A.
...she's shown with her second FISA vote that she will actually listen to public outcry, which, again, more than fucking Harry's managed.
Athenae
Harry Reid - an easy act to follow. I bet the Dems will be too timid to get rid of him as leader.
Actually, if you are a good borrower, I think the loan companies are pretty much dying for your business. They will never be healthy again until they can find good debt to replace all that bad debt. But you need 20% down and a near-perfect credit record.
blerb | 03.26.08 - 10:26 a
It's the 20% down that's gonna kill me. It's going to take me a while to get to that. And by that time, prices will have probably gone back up.
I think Sec of State will finally go to Holbrooke.
he was great in "mark twain tonight"
They left positions as nurses and engineers to do this.
I have sympathy for the individuals, but really, I hope our economy and society never again go back to a place where people leave high skill jobs requiring extensive training in order to become real estate agents. In my mind, that's a sign that we are in a bubble.
"But I don't see any reason to keep a capable and tough (tougher than Rollover Harry) legislator out of that position except for spite."
it's probably not good to assume spite as everyone's motive, although i'd agree that reid has been almost worthless.
later bats..
29.8 percent (±9.6%) below the February 2007 estimate
DAMN that hurts.
In other words, I ought to be able to go to my local homebuilder, punch him in the face, pee in his coffee, demand that he sell me a new home at 50% off, and expect him to thank me afterwards?
well, my sister-in-law is a home builder, and she'd just as soon stomp on your face as allow you to hit her.
Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Ev'rybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town
He went down to Oxford Town
Guns and clubs followed him down
All because his face was brown
Better get away from Oxford Town
Oxford Town around the bend
He come in to the door, he couldn't get in
All because of the color of his skin
What do you think about that, my frien'?
Me, I think it's stupid, spiteful, and short-sighted.
Molly Ivors
Funny, but that's precisely what I think of Hillary at this point.
Interestingly, existing home sales were up a bit in Feb.
Noam Sane
Probably because in built-out areas with strong fundamantals, demand is beginning to rebound because of lower prices. All those tacky developments by the freeways in outlying areas are still in freefall though.
I get tired of hearing how Obama/Clinton are six of one/half dozen of the other. Obama's proposals include much more govrnment transparency to keep voters involved and give us voice in the processes. His proposal for addressing the mortgage crisis includes community activists and representatives of various interested parties. Clinton doesn't talk about how to encourage populist involvement beyond getting voters to the polls. Her proposal for the crisis is to get a bunch of shriveled wizards together to wave their magic wands.
To me these are huge differences in anticipating what the future direction of the country might be.
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Anyone happen to see Chelsea's response to a nosy questioner at an Indiana college yesterday?
you may have missed my comment at the time: i wish chelsea were the clinton running. she knows how it is done.
Anyone happen to see Chelsea's response to a nosy questioner at an Indiana college yesterday?
I loved it. The studend questioned Hillary's credibility in light of the Lewinsky affair.
Chelsea, after a thoughtful pause, told the questioner that "it's none of your business."
You rock, sweet pea.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:28 am |
One of the morning shows had Sally Quinn on to talk about that, I turned the tv off.
I think if she doesn't get the nomination she becomes irrelevant within the party.
We tend to do that with all our candidates. If they don't win, fuck them forever. We saw it with Kerry, with Edwards, I see no reason why Jimmy Carter shouldn't run again, especially since I don't think we appreciated him enough the first time around, etc. They keep their candidates around until they're crazy and senile, but we give ours one shot and then chuck them out the window.
I'm not saying in another eight years I'd like Hillary any more than I do, but there's no real reason to count somebody out just because they've run once.
A.
I dunno, I think she'd do better than Harry has at fucking with the Republicans just to get them to say her name out loud.
How foregone conclusion-ish of you.
I think there's something called an election still underway. I know people here have adopted the Bush tactic of wanting to prematurely end an election, but let's allow a few more states to vote. And who noes, maybe even MI and FLA, if Obama decides to embrace the concept of democracy.
I have sympathy for the individuals, but really, I hope our economy and society never again go back to a place where people leave high skill jobs requiring extensive training in order to become real estate agents. In my mind, that's a sign that we are in a bubble.
Zealot
without putting too fine a point on it, thanks to offshoring, that is the future of employment in America.
Unless, of course, we get a President who doesn't drink from the free trade barrel.
Interestingly, existing home sales were up a bit in Feb.
Noam Sane
msnbc reported "as sellers slashed asking prices"
(overheard, i don't have a link)
Tablets.
Certainly in Walnut Creek, CA, once the sellers take their lumps and price the property right, it sells pretty quickly. Out in Antioch, not so much. Nobody wants to buy those houses anymore because they think they can do better.
I hope our economy and society never again go back to a place where people leave high skill jobs requiring extensive training in order to become real estate agents.
Yep. Ten years ago, it was "finance," five years ago, real estate.
God forbid people should actually, you know, *do* anything.
I personally wouldn't mind if Hillary became majority leader.
But it's not as it's our decision to make.
Anyway, until recently it was Bill fucking Frist.
I think Sec of State will finally go to Holbrooke.
he was great in "mark twain tonight"
dirk gently,sociopathetic | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:29 am | #
Heh, if someone's browbeating him, he can just turn off his hearing aids.
vicki, you are way to logical for the innernets.
Apparently the Chelsea nosy parker is claiming to be a genuine Hillary supporter.
Molly Ivors : But I don't see any reason to keep a capable and tough (tougher than Rollover Harry) legislator out of that position except for spite.
I hear you and I agree with you.
It's just that after yesterday's Scaife-fest, the McCain endorsement, and the Bosnia story (about which I technically do not care, but goes to character), I'm feeling a little spiteful.
On the other hand, she will be a bloody plague upon the Thugs in Congress as Majority Leader.
That just makes me smile.
And who noes, maybe even MI and FLA, if Obama decides to embrace the concept of democracy.
Elias's March madness.
Hmmm...the Democratic Party told 'em not to move their primary; and the state legislatures won't let new elections be held; and the Credentials Committee has yet to decide whether or not to seat those delegates; and it's all Obama's fault.
Insightful.
Interestingly, existing home sales were up a bit in Feb
existing homes sales are not that important for the economy.
I get tired of hearing how Obama/Clinton are six of one/half dozen of the other.
they may be talking about a different process to get there, but they are both going to the same places.
And who noes, maybe even MI and FLA, if Obama decides to embrace the concept of democracy.
Elias'
Look, stop with the bullshit. Obama followed the rules.
I am sick unto the death of people who cannot grasp the concept that a fair and accurate revote is impossible to do at this point. The waters are over that bridge - deal with it.
Funny, but that's precisely what I think of Hillary at this point.
I'm not talking about the campaign. I'm talking about running things.
McSheets
I voted for her in the primary, but her systematic efforts to make Obama unelectable have made me wish she would just go away.
What do you think is going to happen this fall? If you think this is hardball politics, wait til the fascists start. You should be glad HRC is playing rough. That's what I want in a candidate, someone with the balls to fight. The thin skin of the Obama supporters continues to amaze me.
I get tired of hearing how Obama/Clinton are six of one/half dozen of the other.
Ok, how about thirteen of one, and a bakers dozen of the other?
The point is that the perceived differences between the two candidates are miles away from reality.
well, my sister-in-law is a home builder, and she'd just as soon stomp on your face as allow you to hit her.
David (Austin Tx)
Ah, a counteroffer!
Me, I think it's stupid, spiteful, and short-sighted.
Short-sighted, for sure.
People seem to have lost sight of the goal here: to get a democrat elected in November.
Stupid? Spiteful?
You betcha.
Vicki,
I know people have calculated this eight ways to Sunday and decided it's not possible, but I really hate that Michigan and Florida were disenfranchised. It breaks my heart, and a country that claims to be a democracy has no business shrugging their shoulders over that many voices not being heard.
It's heartbreaking.
Antioch? Fuck that shit! San Ramon!
I know people here have adopted the Bush tactic of wanting to prematurely end an election,
It's called hardball politics - perhaps you've heard of it?
Chelsea, after a thoughtful pause, told the questioner that "it's none of your business."
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That was great. It's also what her dad should have said when asked about boxers or briefs and every one of his bimbo eruptions.
Hell, it's what every politician should say when asked about religion.
After all, it's in the Constitution:
Article VI, section 3,
“ ...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Compare Chelsea Clinton to Meghan McCain.
What do you think is going to happen this fall?
My question, too. What will you do when the McCain campaign starts in on him?
Go to freeper sights and whine about what a big meanie he is?
Get a grip.
Insightful.
Hmmmm, because of the bone-headed decisions of the political elites in MI and FLA, the voters of those states have to suffer the consequences.
Nice elitist position there slick.
Obama could have righted this but decided to pull a W and ignore millions of voters. If you want to put lipstick on that pig, go for it.
I know people have calculated this eight ways to Sunday and decided it's not possible, but I really hate that Michigan and Florida were disenfranchised.
I still can't believe it. Two of the largest states get no say at all.
My question, too. What will you do when the McCain campaign starts in on him?
Go to freeper sights and whine about what a big meanie he is?
Get a grip.
pie
Let's see:
a) I'm not voting for McCain in November, or any Republican.
b) This is the primary, not the general. If Hillary is trying to win my support for her candidacy, should she somehow manage to win the nomination (a very unlikely result at this point, simply looking at the math), this isn't the way to do it.
c) So Hillary's point is to win the nomination? Or to be sure the Dems defeat McCain? These have become two disparate goals, and she keeps moving them farther and farther away from each other. Being "thin-skinned" has nothing to do with being disgusted with Hillary's latest tactics.
What a fucking liar you are.
I am sick unto the death of people who cannot grasp the concept that a fair and accurate revote is impossible to do at this point. The waters are over that bridge - deal with it.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Please tell me you grasp the irony of what you just wrote, and who you *heart*.
Hmmmm, because of the bone-headed decisions of the political elites in MI and FLA, the voters of those states have to suffer the consequences.
No, not quite. The elected representatives in Michigan and Florida decided, against the wishes of both the RNC and the DNC to move their primaries.
If the people of those states feel they have been screwed, they can chuck the entire state lege out at the next election.
that was of course directed to elias
The thin skin of the Obama supporters continues to amaze me.
Elias's March madness. | 03.26.08 - 10:35 am | #
Thin skin? wtf are you talking about.
Elias will you support the democratic nominee, whoever that is?
What do you think is going to happen this fall?
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What I think is going to happen is that McCain will recycle every Hillary attack and say "even Democrats" think their nominee is unfit.
There is no benefit to the party in having Democrats act as references for Republicans. And, in case you didn't notice, I said I voted for her, so you're comment about thin skinned Obama supporters misses the point.
I still can't believe it. Two of the largest states get no say at all.
pie
Those were the rules. The states knew it when they repositioned their primaries. They're big boys and girls, and obviously hoped they would prevail. They didn't.
Maybe I was a lawyer for too long, but my sympathies for them are rather attenuated on this point. Then there's the fact Hillary and Obama signed pledges not to campaign there, but now Hillary wants to ignore that pledge. Basic tenet of contract law: you made a promise, you're held to it. Be careful what promise you make next time.
Frankly, I'd feel the same way if Texas was in the position of Florida or Michigan. I'd blame the state party, not the national one.
What a fucking liar you are.
You don't think everyone wants hot sex? Then why the hell are we throwing a Con?
that was of course directed to elias/i
Oh. simels regrets &c.
Hmmmm, because of the bone-headed decisions of the political elites in MI and FLA, the voters of those states have to suffer the consequences.
Nice elitist position there slick.
It's called representative democracy. Perhaps you've heard of it?
On the other hand, watertiger, Megan is unlikely to be asked in public about Vicki Iseman or Cindy, now with pill-poppin' action.
b) This is the primary, not the general. If Hillary is trying to win my support for her candidacy, should she somehow manage to win the nomination (a very unlikely result at this point, simply looking at the math), this isn't the way to do it.
There is a very real possibility that neither will end up with the required 2025 of delegates.
Then what?
This won't be a problem if Obama supports revotes in MI and FLA. There won't be any doubt then because all the delegates would be involved.
Why wouldn't Obama supporters want a clear resolution to this if they are so confident in what the results would be?
You don't think everyone wants hot sex? Then why the hell are we throwing a Con?
Molly Ivors
Yeah, yeah, rub it in for those of us who can't be there....
Those were the rules. The states knew it when they repositioned their primaries. They're big boys and girls, and obviously hoped they would prevail. They didn't./i
I understand that, but shrugging one's shoulders over disenfranchisement is an ethical problem for me, no matter why it happened.
This won't be a problem if Obama supports revotes in MI and FLA.
Obama controls the legislatures? Obama has the funds ready to go to pay for these primaries? Obama runs the Democratic party, and controls access to all the sources of money?
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
Gah, my slanties are spreading!
I understand that, but shrugging one's shoulders over disenfranchisement is an ethical problem for me, no matter why it happened.
Molly Ivors
Well, like I said, maybe I was a lawyer for too long....
FYI, my, err, "cousin" got hisself a WGG style vacation from Eschaton on Monday night. Seems he was so frikken pissed off after watching Frontline that he spoke as if he might become a potential John Hinkley someday in the future. Took the Webmaster less than a minute to delete his comment and ban him.
He is, of course Bad.
Elias will you support the democratic nominee, whoever that is?
krsaz
Absolutely.
And you?
There's one think I want more than Obama to win. And that's for the fascist to lose. If that means HRC has a better chance, then why wouldn't fellow Dems agree? Especially when aggregate polling has consistently shown that HRC does better against Insane in the McCain than BO.
Instead, it's a foregone conclusion that it's over and HRC should step aside. If that's not the definition of elitism, what is?
Instead, it's a foregone conclusion that it's over and HRC should step aside. If that's not the definition of elitism, what is?
Elias's March madness.
You just typed that, and was going on about how Fl, and Mi were disenfranchised?
What you are saying, is that because Obama is your choice, the remaining people who have yet to vote, don't deserve to?