I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
What?
Bet the executives will keep their golden parachutes while the shareholders get the golden showers.
Awesome!
BTW: I ranted a lil'.
So everyone is going to be wiped out? That sucks. Especially the institutional investors.
I can remember when Freddie and Fannie carried the sterling "moral obligations" of the US government - debentures from both used to have implied AAA credit ratings. Wow. How shitty things have gotten . . .
investors who own the companies’ common stock will be virtually wiped out; preferred shareholders, who have priority over other shareholders, may also wind up with little.
What's the rationale behind leaving preferred shareholders with more? Aren't they more responsible, in some ways, because they have more "rights" with respect to control of the companies.
And of the course the executives of the companies who fucked the shit up should not merely be "ousted." They should be fined.
So, nationalization of an industry is bad, except when its good. Ok, got it.
So everyone is going to be wiped out? That sucks. Especially the institutional investors.
Monica_A
Stockholders, not holders of mortgage-backed securities.
Big difference.
Aren't they more responsible, in some ways, because they have more "rights" with respect to control of the companies.
Preferred securities are more like bonds - thus further up the payment food chain.
I can remember when Freddie and Fannie carried the sterling "moral obligations" of the US government - debentures from both used to have implied AAA credit ratings. Wow. How shitty things have gotten . . .
Crankcase
"Mission Accomplished, motherfucker!" - George W. Bush
Already, the housing crisis has cost investors and consumers hundreds of billions of dollars.
Whiners.
mcbomb/palinplosion '08
"I mean, come on, they must think you're stupid," Obama said as the crowd laughed and cheered.
Just chance "you're" to "we're" and we've got a battle cry
I disagree. The Obama campaign is deliberately taking focus off itself and retargeting McCain/Palin attacks from himself to the voters.
If you see what I mean. Bear in mind, of course, that I know fuck-all about running a national campaign.
Remember, this election is about personalities not things like financial collapse.
Brought up from the dead thread:
Obama said Republicans are targeting his character, and he criticized McCain for saying he would reduce the partisan rancor in Washington. Pretending to address McCain, he said, "Did you pay attention to the last two days of your convention? Were you not watching?"
Um, that was all nap time for Grampy.
From below:
Isn't it interesting how Palin tries to put out this bullshit picture of a perfect all-american family?
When the reality is that she and her family are so dysfunctional it's pathetic.
BEAVERS AND DUCKS!
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I'm sure McIDon'tKnowSquatAboutTheEconomy will get right on this.
Or maybe he can consult Phil Gramm.
I don't think I like that plan. IOW, if you are an American, fuck you. If you are foreigner, here's the keys to the treasury?
WTF?
Bet the executives will keep their golden parachutes while the shareholders get the golden showers.
Without doubt. Those responsible for this mess are handsomely rewarded, and the investors are told to suck up the bath.
It's time to start executing executives.
Ducks 52-14
Now that it's ON topic:
I feel like such a financial Titan!
Just overnight, the Federal Government entrusted ME!!!! to guarantee almost $17,000 in mortgages!!!
Of course, most of YOU are now Financial Titans, too!!
I don't think I like that plan. IOW, if you are an American, fuck you. If you are foreigner, here's the keys to the treasury?
WTF?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
Foreign stockholders will also be screwed. Foreign holders of debt will be repaid in liquidation. That's the way it works.
Falling home prices, which are expected to lead to more defaults among the mortgages held or guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie, contributed to the urgency, regulators said.
That sentence bugs me. It should say that the taking economy is expected to lead to more defaults.
Everybody, and I mean everybody holds Fannie and Freddie debt. You may not realize it, but you do.
So, nationalization of an industry is bad, except when its good. Ok, got it.
Socialization of failure is always good as long as those responsible are allowed to keep the loot they plundered from the failed venture.
Also from below:
"Track" liked running so much he ran away from home and lived in Michigan for a year.
Yowza. They really have fucked this country up bad.
Stockholders, not holders of mortgage-backed securities.
Okay. That makes a difference. Thanks, jac.
Ducks 52-14
Bellotti is pushing for an upward tick in the polls.
I'm in as much favor for a bailout as the other guy, but...
What iz a lubyanko? Iz eet a leetle girl?
Eet sounds like leetle girl, no?
I believe Hecate would call this "Thwack."
Minor note - despite the County Assessor notifying everyone that their property values have fallen, across the board in the neighbourhood of 13%, my property tax bill went up 10%. This was something of a surprise.
"Track" liked running so much he ran away from home and lived in Michigan for a year.
Track is all prepared for Army PT then. Four mile runs FTW, bay-bee!
Somebody ought to go ask Sarah Palin what we should do about Fannie and Freddie failing.
George W. Bush was running around also claiming to support a "Patients Bill of Rights." By invoking a specific piece of bipartisan legislation - the bill sponsored by Representatives Dingell and Norwood - that Bush did not support, Gore was trying to prevent Bush from pretending there was no difference between the two candidates.
And that's just what Bush did in his response to Gore. Here's the end of Gore's answer: "I support a strong national patient's bill of rights. It is actually a disagreement between us, a national law that is pending on this, the Dingle-Norwood bill, a bipartisan bill, is one that I support and that the governor does not."
And here's how Bush responded: "Actually, Mr. Vice President, it's not true. I do support a national patient's bill of rights."
After Bush was finished, moderator Jim Lehrer said to Gore: "would you agree that you two agree on a national patient's bill of rights?"
That's why Gore made clear that he was talking about Dingell-Norwood: Bush was trying to pretend the two candidates agreed on a patients bill of rights, and the media was going along with that nonsense - in this case, via debate moderator Jim Lehrer who explicitly (and falsely) took Bush's side.
So Gore had to respond to Lehrer: "Absolutely not. I referred to the Dingell-Norwood bill. It is the bipartisan bill that is now pending in the Congress. The HMOs and the insurance companies support the other bill that's pending, the one that the Republican majority has put forward. ... I specifically would like to know whether Governor Bush will support the Dingle-Norwood bill, which is the main one pending."
Here's what had happened at this point in the exchange: After Bush had falsely suggested that the two candidates agreed on the matter, Gore asked a simple question, the answer to which would make clear whether they really did. And Jim Lehrer told Bush he could answer - if he wanted to. That's nothing short of malpractice by Lehrer. Incidentally, Jim Lehrer will moderate the first of this year's presidential debates in three weeks.
Bush took the out Lehrer gave him, and offered yet another vague response that didn't answer the basic question of whether he supported the specific legislation at hand. So Gore asked him again.
That's the "badgering" Weisman describes
I believe Hecate would call this "Thwack."
I believe you are right, my friend. 
Minor note - despite the County Assessor notifying everyone that their property values have fallen, across the board in the neighbourhood of 13%, my property tax bill went up 10%. This was something of a surprise.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 09.06.08 - 6:02 pm
Thank you, Bush Tax Cuts to the Rich!
What iz a lubyanko? Iz eet a leetle girl?
Eet sounds like leetle girl, no?
Pablo Escobar | 09.06.08 - 6:02 pm | #
No .... eet's a leetle penis.
I believe Hecate would call this "Thwack."
Heh.
blerb: Somebody ought to go ask Sarah Palin what we should do about Fannie and Freddie failing.
She's presently in an undisclosed location, possibly inside a moose-sized safe.
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Falling home prices, which are expected to lead to more defaults among the mortgages held or guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie, contributed to the urgency, regulators said.
The shitstains that are the National Association of Realtors still are telling you that now is the time to sink your life savings in a home that will most likely lose value.
But they get their commisons and are out the door, so why the fuck should they care?
Odds just went up. It's 4 to 1 now. If you think Luby is not a sock puppet 1 dollar will get you 4. If you think Luby is a sock puppet 4 dollars will get you 1. Minus the vig of course.
Somebody ought to go ask Sarah Palin what we should do about Fannie and Freddie failing.
blerb | 09.06.08 - 6:03 pm
So you know I'm a "hockey" mom, right.
I am not sure that I mind the shareholders getting wiped out. The trouble with banking is that the shareholders think that the Govt will always bail them out because they can't allow the banks to fail.
If shareholders begin to think they might loose their shirts they might start to pay atention to what their banks are doing.
It should say that the taking economy is expected to lead to more defaults.
Other way around. The economy is tanking because everyone is invested in horrendously overinflated real estate.
What is being said here is that the real estate bubble still has quite a bit of air in it, which is precisely what I thought, personally.
"I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change," Obama said at a town hall meeting here. "And that is great. She is a skillful politician. But when you [have] been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person.
"That is not change, come on," Obama continued. "I mean, words mean something. You can't just make stuff up. You can't just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear."
That is such pre-9/11 thinking.
did bill bennett write this cnn intro?
Somebody ought to go ask Sarah Palin what we should do about Fannie and Freddie failing.
blerb |
It's quite a shame.
They sound like such a lovely couple.
Debtholders are always first in line, and any stockholder has already taken a huge beating and should have seen this coming.
I believe Hecate would call this "Thwack."
jac | 09.06.08 - 6:02 pm | #
Heh.
I love it when he chuckles.
And I love it when he tells the crowd that the Repubs must think they're stupid.
He is one smart man.
Brooklyn Girl: No .... eet's a leetle penis.
Speaking of which, true marketing story!
Taco Bell had to rename a product the "chili-cheese burrito," because its original name, "chilito," was Spanish slang for "tiny penis."
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I mean, how can they keep criticizing Obama's qualifications when he's ready to go out unscripted and answer hard questions day after day and she's hiding from the press inside a moose carcass?
Minor note - despite the County Assessor notifying everyone that their property values have fallen, across the board in the neighbourhood of 13%, my property tax bill went up 10%. This was something of a surprise.
Not a surprise to me (at least when it has been happening here).
A not so small part of it was the destruction of the LGA program. Sure, we got $50 Million here in St. Paul, but that was for buying tasers and other kinds of riot gear.
Obama said Republicans are targeting his character, and he criticized McCain for saying he would reduce the partisan rancor in Washington. Pretending to address McCain, he said, "Did you pay attention to the last two days of your convention? Were you not watching?"
This is a fascinating strategy: set it up so the Repukes are labeled the "party of negative, lying assholes." I think it might actually work.
Even these dry powder dems should be able to pin this fiasco on the pukes, I mean with McOld's son helping a bank fail. I mean, um, right??
"That is not change, come on," Obama continued. "I mean, words mean something. You can't just make stuff up. You can't just make stuff up. We have a choice to make and the choice is clear."
i wish i hadn't just thought of jon lovitz (as dukakis) saying "i can't believe i'm losing to this guy!"
Somebody ought to go ask Sarah Palin what we should do about Fannie and Freddie failing.
blerb |
It's quite a shame.
They sound like such a lovely couple.
Did anyone see "Bullworth"? I have a sense that Charlie Black is going to be lurking around the main power breaker... all evening.
Call them on their lies, then explain what you'll do is a good strategy.
Big difference.
jac | 09.06.08 - 5:56 pm | #
Because these two institutions always operated in the prime mortgage market, their stock was seen as a secure investment. Many pension funds and mutual funds in 401Ks hold this stock. Now that the mortgage market has been damn near destroyed by banks chasing foolishly after subprime market, these two stalwarts that helped many Americans realize the American dream pay the price.
The decision to take them over has nothing to do with their approaching insolvency but has more to do with the fact that they are operating correctly in a market with increasing defaults, even in the prime market that they served. Facing this higher default rate, they are trying to shore up their balance sheets which means they are not buying as many mortgages from the very banks that created this mess. The feds want yet another vehicle to flood the market with liquidity and a takeover of these two institutions will do fine. They can then suspend good business practices like shoring up balance sheets, start buying up mortgages regardless of the risk and through federal guarantees of the debt, stick the tax payer with the bill.
You really should try to be better informed.
Taco Bell had to rename a product the "chili-cheese burrito," because its original name, "chilito," was Spanish slang for "tiny penis."
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 6:06 pm | #
Heh. I think we should start referring to all our trolls as chilitos, then.
"They must think you're stupid" has real potential as an Obama campaign slogan.
did bill bennett write this cnn intro?
dirk gently,sociopathetic | 09.06.08 - 6:06 pm | #
2:1 odds he did.
Debtholders are always first in line, and any stockholder has already taken a huge beating and should have seen this coming.
lowellfield | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 6:06 pm
When Enron was exposed, people still traded that piece of crap until the day it was de-listed. People love a bargain.
oh my
"In an interview earlier this year on New York's all-news cable channel NY1, the 88-year-old Sutton made some interesting revelations about his relationship with the young Obama. He told NY1 reporter Dominic Carter on "Inside City Hall" that he was introduced to Obama by a friend raising money for him. The friend asked Sutton to write a letter in support of Obama's application to Harvard law school.
"The friend's name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas," Sutton said. "He is the principal adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama....."
Stunt Woman is here. She loves us trolls.
AMERICA FIRST BABY! Oh wait ..
mccain: "But in the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.“
why did dems ignore this softball?
"They must think you're stupid" has real potential as an Obama campaign slogan.
SteveLG | 09.06.08 - 6:08 pm | #
NYT headline: "Obama Calls Voters Stupid".
Monica_A: Did anyone see "Bullworth"? I have a sense that Charlie Black is going to be lurking around the main power breaker... all evening.
As long as he pulls it after the Journey song starts...
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Even these dry powder dems should be able to pin this fiasco on the pukes, I mean with McOld's son helping a bank fail. I mean, um, right??
A. Morphous
A couple of weeks ago, McCain said something to the effect of "If you're looking for someone to take of your failing mortgage, I'm not your man..." (something like that). I don't know if there's video, but if there is, I think in October you're going to see that ad everytime you turn on your TeeVee, along with "Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for $50/hour" and "Not only did I vote for President Bush, I did everything I could to get him elected. Twice!"
The big question now is whether the federal government’s move to take over Fannie and Freddie will restore investor confidence in the nation’s credit markets, help stabilize the stock market and keep loans flowing to creditworthy borrowers.
It's wishful thinking Saturday!
Gotta love the drone parade.
Stunt Woman is here. She loves us trolls.
Like a pig farmer loves his bacon.
Suck it, shitwad.
NYT headline: "Obama Calls Voters Stupid".
If they're referring to the vile, drooling twits who infested the Excel center in St. Paul this week, they'd be correct.
Taco Bell had to rename a product the "chili-cheese burrito," because its original name, "chilito," was Spanish slang for "tiny penis."
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Just don't ask about the "secret sauces."
I don't think I like that plan. IOW, if you are an American, fuck you. If you are foreigner, here's the keys to the treasury?
WTF?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 5:58 pm | #
Foreign capital is the only thing that's kept us going this long.
Pissing them off is the last thing we'd do. So a few thousand shareholders take a bath? Fuck 'em!
Now watch this drive....
The gang is all here except for one. He will come soon. We need a blogwhore.
Somebody ought to go ask Sarah Palin what we should do about Fannie and Freddie failing.
blerb |
Fannie Mae made such good candy!
Palin was saying this wouldn't happen once Republicans got in charge...
As long as he pulls it after the Journey song starts...
10-1 odds Steve Perry serves up a nice little cease and desist order before the end of next week.
The gang is all here except for one. He will come soon. We need a blogwhore.
simels comes only once or twice a year and that's usuallly when I visit him with my Stones bootlegs.
The shitstains that are the National Association of Realtors still are telling you that now is the time to sink your life savings in a home that will most likely lose value.
a) your average realtor has shit for brains.
b) there is room for honest disagreement about what the real estate market is likely to do. Many people thought that prices had dropped to a sustainable level. In most of the country, we have to date seen about half of the 30% drop in value that I think is likely; but there are certainly other well-informed people who would disagree with me.
NYT headline: "Obama Calls Voters Stupid".
A. Morphous
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Link? I went to the NYT page and didn't see anything like that.
Palin was saying this wouldn't happen once Republicans got in charge...
George Johnston | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 6:11 pm
The Mulligan candidates.
I don't care what anyone says, I hate The Hold Steady.
Ugh.
Stunt Woman is here. She loves us trolls.
Like a pig farmer loves his bacon.
What did we say? She loves us. Everyone loves bacon.
andrew sullivan, unhinged, unbutt-plugged!
his "husband" must be pissed
"Track" liked running so much he ran away from home and lived in Michigan for a year.
cosmosis
"RUUUUNNN, TRACK, RRRRRUUUUNNNNNN!!!!1!!!1!" - Jen-ny
Palin was saying this wouldn't happen once Republicans got in charge...
And McCain was saying that he wasn't too sharp on economics (he didn't read that book either).
Ezra made me laugh:
Judging from my extremely scientific while-I'm-on-the-treadmill sampling method, the cable news networks are working extremely hard to report out a story of crucial importance: "Has the media been too hard on Sarah Palin?" Watching them try to examine this story is sadly hilarious, like watching a puppy unhappily considering whether it has, in fact, been a bad dog.
Sheets.
What did we say? She loves us.
Yeah buttle,
'Suck it, shitwad' is pitching woo.
Not giving the bush administration any credit but this is just speculation at this point. And, the WSJ version of the story differs in some significant details.
andrew sullivan, unhinged, unbutt-plugged!
his "husband" must be pissed
Lubyanka | 09.06.08 - 6:13 pm
Bet you weren't spewing that kinda garbage 10-years ago when he was part of the pants sniffing brigade that chased Clinton.
andrew sullivan, unhinged, unbutt-plugged!
his "husband" must be pissed
Stupedook has Sully's old buttplug in its mouf.
Stunt Woman, you are making the Shady Dame jealous. But the two of you in a knock down battle, I would pay a dollar for that.
headed to my favorite tavern to do what i can to contribute to the gdp.
peace, fuckers.
"The friend's name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas," Sutton said. "He is the principal adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama....."
Lubyanka | 09.06.08 - 6:08 pm | #
African Leadership Academy
Board of Advisors
The Academy’s Board of Advisors is comprised of African and global luminaries in business, leadership development, secondary education, and social entrepreneurship. The Advisory Board provides strategic input and guidance to the ALA management team.
Carly Fiorina, Former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hewlett-Packard
Carly was Chief Executive Officer of Hewlett-Packard Company (HP) from 1999 to 2005. Before joining Hewlett-Packard as CEO, Carly spent 22 years in leadership positions at AT&T and Lucent Technologies. She sits on the boards of Taiwan Semiconductor and Revolution Health, serves as a trustee for MIT, and is a board member of numerous non-profit organizations, including Freedom House, Initiative for Global Development, and the National Symphony Orchestra.
Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Senior Advisor, HRH Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal
Dr. Al-Mansour is an international attorney and businessman and is renowned as an intellectual, activist, author, and teacher. He co-founded the law firm of Al-Waleed, Al-Talal, and Al-Mansour and has served as a director of the Saudi African Bank and the United Bank of Africa among others.
Ooops!!!!!
Try again, shithead.
As long as he pulls it after the Journey song starts...
10-1 odds Steve Perry serves up a nice little cease and desist order before the end of next week.
Monica_A: Obamaniac!
Mr. Perry is an Obama supporter.
Also, a local car dealership was using "Anyway You Want It" on their commercials a couple of years back.
They apparently hadn't hadn't ask Perry, who wrote the song for permission to use it.
Well, suddenly, you didn't hear that song on the commercials anymore.
Bet the executives will keep their golden parachutes while the shareholders get the golden showers.
RepubAnon
See!!! Proof that the trickle down theory on the economy does actually work.
I got mine, piss on you!
I may scoot over to Mt. Pilot, where they have $1 24oz. Busch on ice, bitches.
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Foreign capital is the only thing that's kept us going this long.
Pissing them off is the last thing we'd do. So a few thousand shareholders take a bath? Fuck 'em!
Now watch this drive....
Barbarism Begins at Home
Ah, but you know my feelings on this anyway.
Fuck em and the whores they rode in on. Seriously. Send em all back where they came from: all those who believe that manipulating pieces of paper is the only way to make money.
(But I am a bit of a jerk so don't bother)
The governor is WHINING that the mean boys Obama and Biden have attacked her and her family, so pllleeeaaaassseeee send money.
When asked who in the Obama/Biden campaign had attacked her, a spokesperson for McCain said a spokesman in Obama's campaign said she supported Senator Stevens. VICIOUS!!!!
Would someone please make an ad showing the governor saying that women in politics shouldn't whine and then please show that WHINING letter that she sent out to supporters whining for money?
where they have $1 24oz. Busch on ice
Not. Worth. It.
Lubyanka | 09.06.08 - 6:08 pm
Give it up, asshole.
hiding from the press inside a moose carcass?
blerb | 09.06.08 - 6:06 pm | #
So you've seen "Rob Roy," too?
I envisioned Palin fleeing to the dead moose in the pond just like Liam Nieson did from the Brits.
The Republicans are a broken people; a broken ideal; a broken fantasy interrupted by what they like to refer to as "the real world"...as if we're the ones living in a dream. Every single one of their policies is based on division; based on a versuses mentality. They can't win on the merits of their arguments, so they'll do all they can to drag us down with 'em. It's no more accurately exemplified by giving them everything they wanted the past eight years. Look what it got us...not only as a country, but as a world.
Remember when the Republicans were all about volunteerism saving the economy and curing all societal ills? Turns out, the real problem with being a community organizer is that you're doing it for money, not from a pure heart. And you should have a real job.
Zap Rowsdower: Not. Worth. It.
Sure it is, when you're watchin' yer pennies.
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Scary Sarah wants it both ways.
oh my
"According to Timmerman, "At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he (al-Mansour) was raising money for Obama's graduate school education (and) al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States."
One of those Saudi royals was Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a nephew of Saudi King Abdullah. He was the Saudi prince who offered to donate $10 million to help New York rebuild after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. After the prince publicly suggested (as Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, did recently) that U.S. policies brought on the attacks, then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani told Prince Alwaleed where he could deposit his check...."
Stunt Woman, you are making the Shady Dame jealous. But the two of you in a knock down hair pulling battle for the Simels, I would pay a dollar for that.
Scary Sarah wants it both ways.
Terry C
Kinky.
What is the trool trying to get at with Obama knowing certain people?
Repubs: We're the party of teen pregnancy!
NYT headline: "Obama Calls Voters Stupid".
A. Morphous
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Link? I went to the NYT page and didn't see anything like that.
foolme1ns | 09.06.08 - 6:12 pm | #
Bad joke. My attempt at media critique.
Remember when the Republicans were all about volunteerism saving the economy and curing all societal ills? Turns out, the real problem with being a community organizer is that you're doing it for money, not from a pure heart. And you should have a real job.
Yes I do. Helping Indians and the Evangelicals.
Has the governor come out of hiding yet?
Lubyanka | 09.06.08 - 6:08 pm
Eet iz chilito!
Ola, pocito chilito!
Like leetle peanut, you are!
"According to Timmerman, "At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he (al-Mansour) was raising money for Obama's graduate school education (and) al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States."
Lubyanka | 09.06.08 - 6:18 pm | #
African Leadership Academy
Board of Advisors
The Academy’s Board of Advisors is comprised of African and global luminaries in business, leadership development, secondary education, and social entrepreneurship. The Advisory Board provides strategic input and guidance to the ALA management team.
Carly Fiorina, Former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hewlett-Packard
Carly was Chief Executive Officer of Hewlett-Packard Company (HP) from 1999 to 2005. Before joining Hewlett-Packard as CEO, Carly spent 22 years in leadership positions at AT&T and Lucent Technologies. She sits on the boards of Taiwan Semiconductor and Revolution Health, serves as a trustee for MIT, and is a board member of numerous non-profit organizations, including Freedom House, Initiative for Global Development, and the National Symphony Orchestra.
Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour, Senior Advisor, HRH Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal
Dr. Al-Mansour is an international attorney and businessman and is renowned as an intellectual, activist, author, and teacher. He co-founded the law firm of Al-Waleed, Al-Talal, and Al-Mansour and has served as a director of the Saudi African Bank and the United Bank of Africa among others.
Ooops!!!!!
Give it up, asshole.
Well, we just got a tornado warning here.
And my cable just went out!
Bad joke. My attempt at media critique.
A. Morphous
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Thanks. I'm easily confused
Has the governor come out of hiding yet?
foolme1ns
Only to whine about the mean Democrats.
Rove isn't very smart with money. He could outsource the trolls' comments at a fraction of the cost.
Judging from my extremely scientific while-I'm-on-the-treadmill sampling method, the cable news networks are working extremely hard to report out a story of crucial importance: "Has the media been too hard on Sarah Palin?" Watching them try to examine this story is sadly hilarious, like watching a puppy unhappily considering whether it has, in fact, been a bad dog.
Heh.
Sure it is, when you're watchin' yer pennies.
Okay...but don't complain if you go blind.
One of those Saudi royals was Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a nephew of Saudi King Abdullah.
Wake me up when you have photos of them holding hands, strolling through a flower garden.
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I am Very Concerned about the fifty-two degrees of separation that Lubeandyankit is establishing between Barack Obama and Some Guy. Thirty years ago.
It may well be that the trools are so good at doublethink that they forget that it takes two to lie: one to lie and one to listen.
No one is listening to them.
oh my
"Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, born Donald Warden, is another interesting fellow from Obama's past. He himself is a graduate of Harvard and has been a guest lecturer there. His writings and statements reveal him to be an ideological clone of the Rev. Wright, who married Barack and Michelle and baptized their children.
In his 1995 book, "The Lost Books of Africa Rediscovered," al-Monsour alleged that America was plotting genocide against black Americans. The first "genocide against the black man began 300 years ago," he said at a book-signing in Harlem, while a second "genocide" was on the way "to remove 15 million black people, considered disposable, of no relevance, value or benefit to the American society...."
Has the governor come out of hiding yet?
foolme1ns
Only to whine about the mean Democrats.
cosmosis
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I thought that was a WHINING letter she sent. You don't have to come out of hiding to whine by post.
I really, really, really hope some smart person puts up a commercial with her talking about women politicians shouldn't whine and that letter. I know they could do it up right.
Of course, if the trolls are volunteering their time to post Repuke talking points here then they really are the epitome of teh Stoopid.
I am Very Concerned about the fifty-two degrees of separation that Lubeandyankit is establishing between Barack Obama and Some Guy. Thirty years ago.
BILL AYERS!!! BILL AYERS!!!
Zap Rowsdower: Okay...but don't complain if you go blind.
Dood, it ain't good beer, but it ain't methanol!
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But the two of you in a knock down hair pulling battle for the Simels, I would pay a dollar for that.
I would pay 100 samolians to watch pit bulls maul your ass into a coma.
Rove isn't very smart with money. He could outsource the trolls' comments at a fraction of the cost.
George Johnston
As a blog organizer, I take serious affront of you trying to outsource my union job.
What is the trool trying to get at with Obama knowing certain people?
Malcolm X was black. Obama is black*. Black men are scary.
The end.
*That is to say, either too black or insufficiently black, as necessary.
God Dam for the last 2 nights Jon Stewart has been rocking the house.
Could Obama send some of the Dems over for lessons from John?
I have dickyanka killfiled.
Is he trying to link Obama to the Saudi Royal Family?
Obama?
And the folks Bush likes to hold hands with????
The housing bust has long way to go before a mortgage on the median price of a house is payable with the budget of the median income.
Bad joke. My attempt at media critique.
A. Morphous
No, it was a good joke. I laughed.
foolme1ns, after reciting a litany of Republican deceptions, Obama said to his audience: "They must think you're stupid."
A. Morphous suggested that would probably be reported in the Times as "Obama calls voters stupid."
I'm SteveLG and I approved this humor.
Cuba is about to be in a world of hurt from Hurricane Ike. Category 4 on impact, heading east to west across the entire island.
Judging from my extremely scientific while-I'm-on-the-treadmill sampling method, the cable news networks are working extremely hard to report out a story of crucial importance: "Has the media been too hard on Sarah Palin?" Watching them try to examine this story is sadly hilarious, like watching a puppy unhappily considering whether it has, in fact, been a bad dog.
Heh.
masculine_monica_nyc
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Maybe the governor should send out a whine that the media is being mean too. Politics is hard. :-(
Dood, it ain't good beer, but it ain't methanol!
Just trying to have a little fun, Jeff. Jeez.
Dood, it ain't good beer, but it ain't methanol!
I've drank many a Busch and Busch Light in my day. I have some Busch Ice in the fridge now.
Washington Huskies found a way to lose:
28-27
Shorter Lubyanka:
Blackity-black-black-blackity-black. Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.
Also, Black
What is the trool trying to get at with Obama knowing certain people?
Malcolm X was black. Obama is black*. Black men are scary.
Obama's mom was white.
I'm sure these mouthbreathers hate THAT even MORE.
Busch beer turns me into a one-man weapon of mass destruction.
Off to liquor store I go to buy some six dollar vodka. Later.
You really should try to be better informed.
Um, my understanding is that investors are not buying their debt- they're buying Treasuries instead. If investors won't buy, they're out of business. Nor can they raise capital.
Hoot!
God Dam for the last 2 nights Jon Stewart has been rocking the house.
The "John McCain: Reformed Maverick" clip which is posted over at www.jedreport.com is devastating.
Obama's mom was white.
I'm sure these mouthbreathers hate THAT even MORE.
Terry C, Obama/Biden 08 | Homepage | 09.06.08 - 6:25 pm
Uhahhh . . . Jungle Love! Ohweohweohwe!
Cuba is about to be in a world of hurt from Hurricane Ike. Category 4 on impact, heading east to west across the entire island.
trifecta
I don't pray but I send good thoughts to those folks.
I'm sure, to our uber-patriot trools, that makes me a traitor.
As far as I can see, the foreign investors are calling the tune now. And since we're so dependent on foreign investors, that doesn't leave us in a powerful position.
Can anyone say, "Latin American debtor country?"
The "John McCain: Reformed Maverick" clip which is posted over at www.jedreport.com is devastating.
SteveLG
Yea, and the McCain Bush word matches were very funny.
Uhahhh . . . Jungle Love! Ohweohweohwe!
Morris Day and the Time
More like Spike Lee's "Jungle Fever."
billy b. we have two women here. Shady Dame who is to go on a romatic weekend to Paris with Simels, if Simels can raise the money for his share, and we have Stunt Woman who makes Simels come twice a year. And with her boots, kind of kinky.
It is a perfect match. What a fight this will be, and all for Simels.
As to your pit bull comment, fuck you. You internet coward.
Busch beer turns me into a one-man weapon of mass destruction.
BlueinColorado
I can't drink it.
Makes me sick.
I can't tolerate it.
God Dam for the last 2 nights Jon Stewart has been rocking the house.
The "John McCain: Reformed Maverick" clip which is posted over at www.jedreport.com is devastating.
SteveLG
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I just saw a clip on Crooks and Liars. Loved Lindsay Grahams "we are winning" speech in front of the mass graves at Arlington.
Loverly.
And I'm so glad that POW John McCain wanted to remind us all how important edumacation is by showing us a picture of Walter Reed Middle School in the middle of his "did you know I was a POW" speech. But that's the republicans. Even if you look like an idiot, never admit that you f*cked up. Of course, demolition Johnny never has taken responsibility for his f*ck ups. He just moves on.
andrew sullivan, unbuttplugged!
Chicago Tribune Saturday September 6
Page 1:
Sarah Palin calls the U.S. mission in Iraq a "task that is from God".
Page 4:
Rampage suspect Isaac Zamora repeated, "I kill for God. I listen to God," at a hearing in Skagit County Distict Court in MT. Vernon on Friday. Six charges of 1st degree murder...were filed.
So who is the crazy one, Sarah, Isaac or God? And do we really want this God running U.S. foreign policy?
And do we really want this God running U.S. foreign policy?
Shared Humanity
By all accounts, god sounds like a hateful douchebag.
As to your pit bull comment, fuck you. You internet coward.
Tell me where you want to meet.
Yes I do. Helping Indians and the Evangelicals.
Grover Norquist
Only one of those do I object to.
Indians (with a dot or a feather) are OK with me.
The economy is tanking because everyone is invested in horrendously overinflated real estate.
I get that but people who aren't invested in real estate are losing their jobs and defaulting on mortgages that they otherwise would have been paying bubble or not - prolonging the pain. Didn't the real estate mess start the collapse, which is now self-sustaining?
Yea, and the McCain Bush word matches were very funny.
sally
Obama should use it as an ad.
I've drank many a Busch and Busch Light in my day. I have some Busch Ice in the fridge now.
Billy, the next time you are at a beer emporium try one of these, if they have it in stock.
http://www.greeneking.co.uk/
sorry Tool:
UPDATE: I spoke to Mansour Thursday evening, who said he'd avoided directly contradicting the story out of respect for Sutton, "a dear friend, his health is not good."
But pressed, he denied all the details of Sutton's story.
"The scenario as it related to me did not happen," he said.
"I’m sure he’s written a letter [to someone else] and he got it confused somehow," he said of Sutton, adding that he'd never asked Sutton to write a letter to any university supporting anyone's admission.
Mansour said he admires Obama, but first heard of him when a relative sent him a copy of Obama's 2004 convention speech.
"I've never met him," he said.
Fannie and Freddie have been Enron'ed.
Or should that be (in memory of Kenneth Lay):
Fannie and Freddie have been Lay'd.
It just sounds like that the exact same thing that happened at Enron is happening at Fannie and Freddie...a whole bunch of people are getting screwed.
C'mon, what could possibly happen if a bunch of other countries' central banks lose a whole lot of money at the same time?
Well, anyway, it's a good thing we aren't looking at large deficits.
*looks*
I'll be under the bed.
Ypu bet your a$$ it wont be repaid, except by the tax payers!
Remember the Rep rulzs:
We take the profits!
You pay the loses!
So they killed the Savings and Loans. They killed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They want to kill Social Security.
Imagine what would have happened with Social Security if they talked everyone into shoveling their money into Mortgage-based securities?
Great, I'll have educated people to talk to in the soup line.
Fannie and Freddie
Not "too big to fail" after all! -- "Nobody could have predicted" -- except for those of us who saw this coming like an oncoming high-speed bullet train.
When the Wall Street opens for business on Monday, be prepared for a bumpy ride.
Also, the European and Asian markets will be fun to watch tomorrow night as this news has a chance to register to those in the financial sector who are deeply exposed and about to lose their knickers.
Thanks, George Herbert Hoover Bush!
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European bankers are sitting on bayonets. The size of the losses of European banks in the American market has not been accurately estimated yet. But the American ripples are already reaching the Continent. The European Central Bank is seriously fidgeting.The question is how ugly this will be on this side of the pond?
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