ARE YOU TELLING ME THERE IS A MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?!?!?!? AND IT ACTS TO FURTHER IT'S OWN INTERESTS!?!?!?!?!
STOP THE PRESSES!!! I BET THERE'S GAMBLING, TOO!
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:12 pm | #
I'm sick of 9-11.
This nation has faced down so many challenges bigger than this.
It makes me sick to see politicians endlessly roll around in that day's tragedy.
MP |
04.19.08 - 5:13 pm | #
Jeffraham! I am giving some thought to a scooter for commuting. Only five miles each way, and I figure I can use it from mid-April to the end of October. Do you recommend a particular brand? Where is a good place to get info (besides your blog)?
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 5:14 pm | #
STOP THE PRESSES!!! I BET THERE'S GAMBLING, TOO!
NYT Investigation Reveals Sky Is Blue, Overhead
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:14 pm | #
Rudy: Still a douchebag.
"Twice-divorced former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani took Communion at a Mass celebrated by Pope Benedict on Saturday, breaching rules that bar those who remarry outside the Church from doing so. As he left New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral with his third wife, Judith, the failed presidential candidate confirmed to Reuters that he took Communion from a priest.
Asked if he was uncomfortable with having broken the Church ban on the divorced and remarried taking Communion, Giuliani said, "No." The Church does not recognize divorce and teaches that divorced Catholics are still married to their earlier partner unless the Church grants them an annulment, or ruling that the initial marriage was invalid. Giuliani unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for the White House this year. As New York mayor, he rose to prominence after the September 11 attacks, when he was hailed for his leadership during the crisis.
Despite his Catholic faith, Giuliani has espoused socially liberal political positions such as backing a woman's right to choose an abortion and supporting gay rights. Last year Pope Benedict reaffirmed that Catholics who divorce and remarry cannot receive Communion unless they abstain from sexual relations with their new partner. But U.S. clergy tend to leave it up to individual parishioners who are divorced to refrain from taking Communion instead of excluding them from the sacred rite. Catholics believe that during Mass, the Communion host and wine are transformed into the body and blood of Christ. At Saturday's Mass, the pope consecrated bread and wine that was distributed to the congregation by other priests. Giuliani did not take Communion from the pope himself.
During the presidential campaign, Giuliani said he had some "very, very strong views on religion" that come from him having wanted to be a priest when he was younger and studying theology for four years in college."
Terry C - Wingnut Hater |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:14 pm | #
Seems like this kind of story is always printed on a Saturday.
Tralfaz |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:14 pm | #
No, we don't need a blogger ethics panel. We need ethics.
Ralphie |
04.19.08 - 5:15 pm | #
"Pope Benedict reaffirmed that Catholics who divorce and remarry cannot receive Communion unless they abstain from sexual relations with their new partner."
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
Terry C - Wingnut Hater |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:15 pm | #
The people at the NY Times have nothing to act superior about.
They hired Bill Kristol.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:15 pm | #
but don't the defense contractors own the mcm?
1Watt, Hermit |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:15 pm | #
Nobody could have...
Aw, who the fuck am I kidding? The next Republican that accuses a Dem of politicizing something merits a swift kick in the groin.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
No one could have, etc., etc.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
Seems like this kind of story is always printed on a Saturday.
According to the dateline, it's for the Sunday paper.
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
I'm sick of 9-11.
This nation has faced down so many challenges bigger than this.
It makes me sick to see politicians endlessly roll around in that day's tragedy.
MP
Had the 9-11 mentality been around in England in the 1940s, London would never gotten rebuilt.
Terry C - Wingnut Hater |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
He apparently has a difficult time understanding that nowadays, a veteran fireman or a veteran cop, married to a veteran schoolteacher, will make well over $100,000. In fact, they can make close to $200,000.,/I>
All the firemen I know usually have small second jobs, because they don't combine with the wife's income to get anywhere near 6 digits.
Most of the school teachers I know driving nice cars do so because Hubby is an oil co. executive (well, it's Houston).
Where does Kudlow get numbers like these? From Charlie Gibson?
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS The air force spent fifty million dollars of tax money to promote some trick flying unit that does circus tricks over ballfields.
But we can't afford healthcare and we can't afford to pay fishermen to stop killing the final few fish in the sea.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
Well, to be honest, there are now at least five branches of government:
executive ((Nazi imperialist assholes)
judicial (fucking lying hypocrites)
legislative (pretty moribund xcpt for payoffs and weird sex)
military (boys with toys)
corporate (Ayn Randian economics)
And they are not separate but equal. It's some n-dimensional Venn diagram.
leibniz♘☮ |
04.19.08 - 5:16 pm | #
There's also a media industrial complex, and it acts as the propaganda outlet for the corporatist agenda. Many of the boards of directors of the media conglomerates are filled with the same people that own stock in major military contractors.
The US government spends more on military marching bands than it does on the NEA.
leibniz♘☮
This is the difference between socialism and the free market.
Don't you get it?
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:20 pm | #
I mean, look at that bear in a monk's outfit. He's so cute!
Is that the Hamm's bear's spiritual advisor?
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:21 pm | #
The good news is that the Twins are up 3-0 on the Tribe...
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
Well, then, who cares about all this military industrial complex nonsense?
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:21 pm | #
"We must support our troops and our president. And that goddam Osprey flying turkey piece of shit that shows up the commercials."
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 5:22 pm | #
The people at the NY Times have nothing to act superior about.
They hired Bill Kristol.
True, but they still do some good reporting, too.
Echidne |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:22 pm | #
my f-i-l bought Hamms for our wedding reception. even in 1983 that was suck-ass!
matty |
04.19.08 - 5:23 pm | #
I wonder if it ever occurred to anyone that if the working class was not enamored of Obama, it wouldn't be necessary for the corporate media to hammer people over the head with the idea that he'd insulted them?
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:23 pm | #
Good for the New York Times.
Culture Of Truth |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:24 pm | #
Had the 9-11 mentality been around in England in the 1940s, London would never gotten rebuilt.
And the Brits would have invaded Portugal.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.19.08 - 5:24 pm | #
...I can't like baseball?
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
TOM KELLY AND DAN GLADDEN BITCHES
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:24 pm | #
Gromit: Jeffraham! I am giving some thought to a scooter for commuting. Only five miles each way, and I figure I can use it from mid-April to the end of October. Do you recommend a particular brand? Where is a good place to get info (besides your blog)?
What's the max speed limit in those five miles?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:24 pm | #
where the hell is Ntodd? VT roolz!
matty |
04.19.08 - 5:25 pm | #
Wait...I can't like baseball?
Zap Rowsdower
You doubleknit fascist, you!
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 5:25 pm | #
my f-i-l bought Hamms for our wedding reception. even in 1983 that was suck-ass!
Are you saying that the beer that comes from The Land of Sky-Blue Waters is suck-ass??
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.19.08 - 5:25 pm | #
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." ~ Dwight Eisenhower in his 1961 farewell address.
Good old Ike, always with the jokes.
mojo |
04.19.08 - 5:25 pm | #
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." ~ Dwight Eisenhower in his 1961 farewell address.
The people at the NY Times have nothing to act superior about.
They hired Bill Kristol.
Maybe their next feature story can reveal how profitable the Iraq war has been for Kristol and his ilk at AEI and the Heritage Foundation.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:26 pm | #
In New Hamphshire?
Ralphie |
04.19.08 - 5:26 pm | #
Are you saying that the beer that comes from The Land of Sky-Blue Waters is suck-ass??
I'm right across town from the old Hamm's brewery. And the old Schmidt brewery. And the current Summit brewery. St. Paul's got that going for it.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:26 pm | #
"We must support our troops and our president. And that goddam Osprey flying turkey piece of shit that shows up the commercials."
Jay C.
What's good for Bell and Boeing is good for America!
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:27 pm | #
How much did they pay guys to make those "sign up, it's easy, you'll totally get to play video games and not get sent to Iraq" recruitment ads? Because those are a scream.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 5:28 pm | #
Is the Osprey Flying Turkey also a jive turkey
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:28 pm | #
nice to see this in the NYT.
EVERYTIME I see victoria defense department on CNN posing as a media specialist, I cringe for them and people listening.
this is Gannon squared.
this is something these folks have been doing for years and it builds distrust of the media for GOOD reason.
It is why OB can slam stephan op and his batboy and NOT answer bogus questions.
peterboy |
04.19.08 - 5:28 pm | #
Eisenhower was just bucking for a sixth star.
MP |
04.19.08 - 5:28 pm | #
Gromit: Jeffraham! I am giving some thought to a scooter for commuting. Only five miles each way, and I figure I can use it from mid-April to the end of October. Do you recommend a particular brand? Where is a good place to get info (besides your blog)?
I saw a combination manual/electric bicycle in the Canadian Tire flyer that I received today, if you think something like that would be enough to suit your purposes.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:28 pm | #
We were recently converted to the embattled Osprey by War Nerd Gary Brecher.
the goddamn k&y |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:29 pm | #
A moped? Cool, you can pretend you're in Bermuda.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 5:29 pm | #
Senior school teachers (20+ years) make an average of $57,000:
I wonder if it ever occurred to anyone that if the working class was not enamored of Obama, it wouldn't be necessary for the corporate media to hammer people over the head with the idea that he'd insulted them?
Did you happen to catch Jeremy Scahill's bit on Maher last night, with the bikers and gun enthusiasts who support Obama? I suspect that Sen. Obama may just have a bit more support from these folks than many of us have thought. And I also think that "insulted" does not mean what the media thinks it means. People are insulted all right, but not by the Senator from Illinois.
ThinlyVeiled |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:30 pm | #
I haven't kept close track of JP's modes of transportation, but I thought he had a lot of two-wheeled things, one that died, one that was stolen, one that was eaten by a velocirator, etc. I suggest he just go ahead and buy a decked-out Hummer.
leibniz♘☮ |
04.19.08 - 5:32 pm | #
I got a kick out of this at CNN:
The two Democrats went head-to-head in a debate Wednesday night on ABC.
During the first part of that debate, the candidates largely rehashed the controversies that have marked their past six weeks on the campaign trail.
Real Ospreys don't crash and kill US Marines.
MP |
04.19.08 - 5:33 pm | #
...I can't like baseball?
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
TOM KELLY AND DAN GLADDEN BITCHES
olexicon, |
KIRBY PUCKETT, KENT HRBECK, GARY GAETTI, DON BAYLOR, TOM BRUNANSKY,GREG GAGNE, JEFF REARDON, JOE NIEKRO, FRANK VIOLA, BERT BLYLEVEN!!!! 1987 TWINS RULE!!
I love 'em.
Bread and circuses, folks, bread and circuses.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:34 pm | #
The journalist moderators were so objective, it's like they weren't even there.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:34 pm | #
Who among us doens't love Tom Brunansky
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:35 pm | #
I think my "favorite" part of this story was the Pentagon dispatching two retired generals to write an op-ed to say that Rumsfeld was doing just fine.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:35 pm | #
I have nothing constructive to say other than "Frick'n Hell!"
EkCenTriK |
04.19.08 - 5:35 pm | #
leibniz: I haven't kept close track of JP's modes of transportation, but I thought he had a lot of two-wheeled things, one that died, one that was stolen, one that was eaten by a velocirator, etc. I suggest he just go ahead and buy a decked-out Hummer.
Here's my current stable of painted ponies. The one on the right is for sale.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:35 pm | #
If it wasn't so fuckin' hilarious, it'd be just plain sad.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:35 pm | #
I really loved the response of ABC: that George and Charlie HAD to ask those questions of Obama, because he's the front runner, and inquiring minds want to know whether or not the front-runner (for the Dems only, mind) is "electable."
Because that's the only reason we vote for President anymore: it's to choose who is more electable.
I'm more of a Tim Laudner kinda guy...
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:36 pm | #
Real Ospreys don't crash and kill US Marines.
Oh, there'll be more crashes, but that's cool. This thing will be totally worth it once they get it reliable (and it's already more reliable than a number of other systems). The thing is, this categorically is the kind of thing we will need in the future, and aircraft carriers and Jeff Stryker Vehicles aren't.
I think my "favorite" part of this story was the Pentagon dispatching two retired generals to write an op-ed to say that Rumsfeld was doing just fine.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
'don rumsfeld is the wsweetest, kindest man I know"
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:36 pm | #
We were recently converted to the embattled Osprey by War Nerd Gary Brecher.
the goddamn k&y
I read that. Worth the read just for the stories about feats of military lobbying.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 5:37 pm | #
Schwinn was like teh Cadillac of bikes, when I was a kid.
Of course, that's yet another company offshored.
MP |
04.19.08 - 5:37 pm | #
The 1987 Twins were like the greatest collection of pasty white guys ever to win the series
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:37 pm | #
I think my "favorite" part of this story was the Pentagon dispatching two retired generals to write an op-ed to say that Rumsfeld was doing just fine.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
The most frustrating thing about this story is it's NIH aspect. This has been reported, but only by independent media, which apparently is so shrill the editors of the NYT can't hear it.
Now that they learn it themselves, however, the story is clearly audible. Those of us who heard it before, are simply dogs. Or something.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
I hated Schwinn and loved Huffy. But it's probably sorta like the PC-Mac thing.
leibniz♘☮ |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
MP: Of course, that's yet another company offshored.
Chinese firm bought the rights to the name, and they make some very sucky gas-powered scooters, too.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
I am about to become a great Uncle. This is not to say that I've been a good Uncle and, with practice, I am ready to become a great one. Many of my nieces and nephews would likely claim that I am decidedly mediocre. Rather my brother's daughter is pregnant and we had a baby shower today.
Are there any other claims to greatness that I can sort of just fall in to?
Shared Humanity |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
"Schwinn was like teh Cadillac of bikes, when I was a kid.
Of course, that's yet another company offshored."
You sound almost Schwinnsome for the old days.
EkCenTriK |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
I also think that "insulted" does not mean what the media thinks it means. People are insulted all right, but not by the Senator from Illinois.
ThinlyVeiled
Exactly. And they're much more insulted by Hillary's support of NAFTA, and her attempt to portray herself as a champion of the working class, after twisting Obama's words. People aren't fooled by McCrazy either.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
Some of the "milbloggers" are nothing more than what was once called "jocksniffers".
melior, NSL in hand |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
1987: the Mississippi River Series...zzzz.
matty |
04.19.08 - 5:38 pm | #
Quick, who said this?
What he's going to do in this campaign is focus on what's important to the American people, on the jobs and the education. That's what the American people care about. They want to move into the future. They don't want to be diverted by side issues, and they're not going to let the Republican attack machine divert them
Schwinn was like teh Cadillac of bikes, when I was a kid.
My Schwinn, Made in 1982, is better than your bike. Don.t care what you have.
Ralphie |
04.19.08 - 5:39 pm | #
I guess that Surly actually makes a bike called "Fat Tire". The bike has..........fat tires.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:39 pm | #
Quick, who said this?
I'm guessing NOT Charlie Gibson or George Stephanopolous.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:40 pm | #
Quick, who said this?
That would be George Stuffinenvelopes. He is mailing it in these days.
Shared Humanity |
04.19.08 - 5:40 pm | #
The 1987 Twins were like the greatest collection of pasty white guys ever to win the series
olexicon
They don't want to be diverted by side issues, and they're not going to let the Republican attack machine divert them.
Nor is the GOP. They have the MSM to do it for them.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:41 pm | #
Well slap my ass, it WAS Snuffleupagus!
Now he looks even more dickish, which I didn't think was actually possible.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:42 pm | #
I'm not outside having fun. If I went out and got some charcoal I'd make some burgers tho. And, I just found the receipt for making a Bob's Big Boy, and that'd be fun.
Just remembering this.... "The first Phoenix, Arizona Bob's Big Boy (est. 1954), was a notable exception to the traditional architecture in California. The restaurant was located at Central Avenue and Thomas Road. Its quickly put two other nearby drive-in restaurants out of business. The building was very modern with horizontal overhanging roof lines and native stone at the entrance. Above was a large mural that resembled a Hopi sand painting of Kachinas, and a covered area to the east of the building for car hop service." Lord I loved Bob's on Central!
He's got an outdoors show here that airs in the highly respectable 11 PM Sunday night time slot.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:42 pm | #
oops. they got a little too much wind for this youth rally. Cardinal or Bishop or whatever Egan just had a gust of wind get under his skirts and blow him into the East River, where he was mistaken for a beaver.
leibniz♘☮ |
04.19.08 - 5:43 pm | #
I guess that Surly actually makes a bike called "Fat Tire". The bike has..........fat tires.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
"surly only looks out for one guy, surly"
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:43 pm | #
I should say the "Republican attack machine" Georgie spoke of, has now been outsourced.
Why do it yourself, when you can get someone to do it for you?
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:43 pm | #
Georgie's needs the cash for hair care products.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:43 pm | #
I woke up outraged, so I decided to channel it between cat naps and cooking.
At least the house smells of fresh wheat bread in the oven (I'm proud - I tried it from scratch not using the bread machine for the first time, and so far, it smells good, so I'm trusting I kneaded it correctly), a wickedly tasty bean soup on the stove, and a green salad just waiting for the lettuce and raddicio to dry.
So I got that.
Otherwise, plenty of nothin'.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:44 pm | #
He's got an outdoors show here that airs in the highly respectable 11 PM Sunday night time slot.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas
What's the max speed limit in those five miles?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Either 40 or 45.
(sorry to have disappeared for a bit)
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 5:44 pm | #
Zap: all in good fun! I was a Montreal Expos fan, now they wear a frikkin' "W" on their cap! Boo! Well, outta here, peace to all!
matty |
04.19.08 - 5:44 pm | #
Vicki--isn't bread making the greatest thing in the world?
I am getting this picture, between the politicians, the businessmen, the pundits, the military heads and the MSM, that every one is sitting on a branch on the wrong end, sawing away at it.
Heh. I remember that one..
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:45 pm | #
Well, think I need some fresh air. Might go couger hunting in the streets of Chicago.
Shared Humanity |
04.19.08 - 5:45 pm | #
We ought to forbid the now nearly universal practice of allowing officers to go into military industrial work on retiring, or at last have more serious barriers against their angling for a nice job while they're not yet finished with their commission. But what we really need is a totally different economy and a break from the perverted socialism of the milinduscom.
the goddamn k&y |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:45 pm | #
I decided to channel it between cat naps and cooking.
At least the house smells of fresh wheat bread in the oven
isn't bread making the greatest thing in the world?
Yeah! I have several great sweet bread recipes, but yeast breads, I've been afraid of.
The smell is enough to make the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing on high in eight part harmony.
It's divine.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:46 pm | #
DuaneV, I think you're right. It's only anecdotal, of course, but I was sitting next to a table of bikers in the bar last night, overheard their conversation. They were some pretty well-informed people, talking about the economy (which is teh suxxor, esp. here in Michigan), lack of health care, etc. They were discussing the relative benefits of Hillary/Obama. One girl was leaning toward Hillary, the other girl and the two guys seemed more inclined toward Obama. At the end of the conversation, Hillary Girl said, "Well, it doesn't really matter to me as long as we don't get McCain. He sucks ass."
ThinlyVeiled |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:46 pm | #
As great as '87 was, the '91 series was the shizzle.
Hrbeck pulling Ron Gant off of first. Classic.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:46 pm | #
Loaf-ing around?
For real!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:47 pm | #
"allowing officers to go into military industrial work on retiring,"
Don't they have a one year wait? Or is it two when working for a contractor?
Or maybe I am confusing that with civil service entry.
EkCenTriK |
04.19.08 - 5:47 pm | #
Was nothing real?
4000 Dead Soldiers |
04.19.08 - 5:47 pm | #
Gromit: Either 40 or 45.
A good two-stroke 50cc will get ya up to around 40. Think pre-2005 Yamaha Vino or Zuma. They go for $1000-1500 on craigslist, 'round here.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:47 pm | #
I know I should be on topic, because this is an important one, but I just can't do it any more, for right now.
The discourse is driving me insane.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:47 pm | #
Now he looks even more dickish, which I didn't think was actually possible.
SteveNS |
You should see the picture of himself he's got up in the attic.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:48 pm | #
McWalksWithaCane economics:
The Wall Street Journal, everyone's favorite bastion of radical leftism, writes: "In all, his tax-cutting proposals could cost about $400 billion a year, according to estimates of the impact of different tax cuts by CBO and the McCain campaign." That would make the cost over ten years $4 trillion.
Moreover, these tax cuts would be even more skewed towards the wealthy than the Bush tax were, which is quite an achievement.
Anyone go to an Obama rally today?
Snow (D-SC) |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:48 pm | #
Was nothing real?
4000 Dead Soldiers
Life is but a dream.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:48 pm | #
I cheated for dinner tonight. Made a sausage meatball pasta thingy from the box. It's a Mario Batalli thing.
trifecta |
Homepage |
04.19.08 - 5:48 pm | #
Vicki: war talk or baseball?
matty |
04.19.08 - 5:49 pm | #
Don't they have a one year wait?
Oh, right, a one-year wait. A one year pause between working for Lockheed in uniform and working for Lockheed in a business suit. Right.
He hasn't shown a hair of his head in my town yet.
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 5:49 pm | #
You should see the picture of himself he's got up in the attic.
Duane V
I bet there's two of them. One that gets older, and one that just gets... stickier.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:50 pm | #
Aggie turned out to be a great closer..
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:50 pm | #
Man hassled by authorities for not having a
"camera license". Was it in (a) 1968 Soviet Union, (b) 1988 North
Korea, or (c) 2008 Great Britain?
the goddamn k&y |
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04.19.08 - 5:50 pm | #
At Leavenworth it was a year. Technically. But the game was as soon as the ink was dry on their retirement papers, they were 'consulting' for whoever about as quick as could be. The only barter they had was the freshness of their name in the memory of the post or the establishment. Bastards, I can remember them shilling for corporations that weeks before they'd been villifying for shoddy work and worse product and for just basically stealing from anybody they could. Not to mention endorsing the kind of work that resulted in direct harm to military personnel.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
04.19.08 - 5:50 pm | #
Jack Morris vs. John Smoltz...
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:51 pm | #
That is one long ass article.
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 5:51 pm | #
Aggie turned out to be a great closer..
Duane V, Bitter Classist
that Viola trade was pretty Good, Aguilera,Tapani
olexicon, |
04.19.08 - 5:52 pm | #
And Pagliarulo got a well - deserved ring...
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:52 pm | #
Jack Morris vs. John Smoltz...
Ten innings, game 7. Black Jack had it going on!
(now a radio analyst for the Twins)
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
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04.19.08 - 5:52 pm | #
How can someone work for a defense contractor and sleep at night?
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 5:52 pm | #
From the link: Kenneth Allard, a former NBC military analyst who has taught information warfare at the National Defense University..“Night and day,” Mr. Allard said, “I felt we’d been hosed.”
Mr. Allard, we are being hosed daily.
sidhra صي ذ& |
04.19.08 - 5:53 pm | #
Stop calling it squab. It is a baby pigeon.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 5:53 pm | #
Kenneth Allard, a former NBC military analyst who has taught information warfare at the National Defense University..“Night and day,” Mr. Allard said, “I felt we’d been hosed.”
Bet he doesn't give back the money he made.
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
Oh, right, a one-year wait. A one year pause between working for Lockheed in uniform and working for Lockheed in a business suit. Right.
the goddamn k&y
There are legal issues involved, similar to non-compete agreements. Scope of the agreement has to be reasonable in time and geographical area. Which would, off the top of my head, make enforcement of such a requirement near to impossible.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
In turn, members of this group have echoed administration talking points, sometimes even when they suspected the information was false or inflated. Some analysts acknowledge they suppressed doubts because they feared jeopardizing their access.
And this is news, why, exactly? Can we say, "Judith Queen of Fucking Iraq Miller," who, if memory serves wrote extensively under the protective banner of the NYT?
If I owe someone a coke, please speak up so that Simels will know to regret the error.
R. Manhammer |
04.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
I am mildly surprised (only because nothing can REALLY surprise me anymore) that there has not been more on the "bitter" flap that came out of Marc Cooper's shop at the The Huffington Post.
As Atrios well knows, Marc Cooper is a fraud, a right leaning libertarian blow hard, who has done his best to injure Democrates at any opportunity. Yes, he despises Hillary Clinton, but his Obama fevor is bound to pass as soon as Clinton is knocked off.
Obama supporters have been happy to endorse anything slung at Hillary Clinton from anywhere, helpful as it is in the short run. Shouldn't we let know that with friends like Cooper, they hardly need enimies?
I've made harping on Cooper sort of my personal media project, and I'm always amused/appauled at the pass this idiot continues to get from virtually everyone.
I've been thrown off his blog multiple times for calling him out (he never has a retort, except to tell you your being "mundane"); and just noticed the only other guy who answered him back, the excellent "Bunkbuster" has just been thrown off too.
Cooper is also an ego maniac and a coward; terrified of any real give and take.
Amosduncan |
04.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
Vicki: war talk or baseball?
matty
Considering I live in Michigan, and that the Tigers have been less than - uh - stellar, I'd say both.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
I bet there's two of them. One that gets older, and one that just gets... stickier.
SteveNS
Even more disturbing, it's completely bald.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
I'm currently listening to/watching the interactive bit on the NYT's site about this story. Showing all of the docs they got, etc.
Rumsfeld's more paranoid than Nixon ever was.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
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04.19.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Considering I live in Michigan, and that the Tigers have been less than - uh - stellar, I'd say both.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
They're on the rebound.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Gromit -- For something beefier, consider a Genuine Buddy 125 or 150 (new size, this year). The 125s go out the door new for about $3100, TTL.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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04.19.08 - 5:55 pm | #
The bread - five more minutes in the oven.
I'm heartbroken. I don't want the aroma to wane.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Bet he doesn't give back the money he made.
He is both Hoser and Hosee.
sidhra صي ذ& |
04.19.08 - 5:56 pm | #
Rumsfeld's more paranoid than Nixon ever was.
Consider from where he came!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:56 pm | #
Kenneth Allard, a former NBC military analyst who has taught information warfare at the National Defense University..“Night and day,” Mr. Allard said, “I felt we’d been hosed.”
Now he tells us.
This is the same NYT that ran Judith Miller's pieces, some of which were outrageous on their face (I especially enjoyed the dumbshow of Judy watching the informer from a distance, pointing out to military personnel where the WMD "had been.")
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 5:56 pm | #
(now a radio analyst for the Twins)
John Smoltz - still a Braves starting pitcher.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 5:56 pm | #
vicki,
your bean soup recipe is in a book (internet) somewhere?
I am getting more and more veggie foodist daily.
peterboy |
04.19.08 - 5:57 pm | #
The bean soup is turning out perfectly, too. I've cooked it down to where the broth is thick, thick, thick. And I've tried many recipes, but the best ones are on the back of the 16 bean packages.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 5:58 pm | #
He wouldn't need to worry that everyone's out to get him if he wasn't an Olympic-class arsehole.
May he never see another day without festering cocksores.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 5:59 pm | #
At the end of the conversation, Hillary Girl said, "Well, it doesn't really matter to me as long as we don't get McCain. He sucks ass."
ThinlyVeiled
I've had the same experience talking with regular folks up here in Maine. People would be shocked, because they never rub elbows with us, the great unwashed masses..
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 5:59 pm | #
If they brought back the draft, do you think the networks would hire Mel Kiper as an analyst?
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 5:59 pm | #
Gromit -- Here's a typical deal in Nashville on a decent scooter.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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04.19.08 - 6:00 pm | #
The Clinton campaign office is still open downstairs.
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 6:00 pm | #
The GREATEST accomplishment of the Bush years!!!
My aunt lives in Burnett County! Gotta love Wisconsin.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
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04.19.08 - 6:00 pm | #
peterboy ~
This one's on the back of the Hurst's Hambeans 15 bean soup package. I have some veggie recipes, too, though. I'll post them on my blog, if you want.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:00 pm | #
ruh roh!: The administration’s communications experts responded swiftly. Early one Friday morning, they put a group of retired military officers on one of the jets normally used by Vice President Dick Cheney and flew them to Cuba for a carefully orchestrated tour of Guantánamo.
To the public, these men are members of a familiar fraternity, presented tens of thousands of times on television and radio as “military analysts” whose long service has equipped them to give authoritative and unfettered judgments about the most pressing issues of the post-Sept. 11 world.
Hidden behind that appearance of objectivity, though, is a Pentagon information apparatus that has used those analysts in a campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance, an examination by The New York Times has found.
We live in a Banana Republic. I'm sure we'll here more of this once BushCo is dismantled.
I hope the new prez prosecutes these war criminals to the fullest extent of the law! - and all their enablers and water carriers too! propagandists!
portia |
04.19.08 - 6:02 pm | #
Really, goddamn these people. If they had read the intelligence coming from the government at the time, none of this would have happened. Well, it might have happened, but they wouldn't have been cheerleaders.
mer |
04.19.08 - 6:02 pm | #
I have some veggie recipes, too, though.
Could spice that bean soup up with a little cougar thigh.
Shared Humanity |
04.19.08 - 6:02 pm | #
The Clinton campaign office is still open downstairs.
Ask them if they want some bean soup. There's enough to feed an army.
However, the J Building may explode in gaseous wonder...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:02 pm | #
Duane V., we ought to have a State 'o Maine Atriot sip-in sometime.
sidhra صي ذ& |
04.19.08 - 6:03 pm | #
I hope the new prez prosecutes these war criminals to the fullest extent of the law! - and all their enablers and water carriers too! propagandists!
portia ,/I>
How can they, when Mukasey has assured them that if DOJ said it was legal, they're absolved?
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 6:04 pm | #
It has withstood my gas for years.
Uh, thanks for sharing. I must say that when I've been around you, you've concealed your farts well. I don't even remember being graced with any SBDs.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:04 pm | #
A few expressed regret for participating in what they regarded as an effort to dupe the American public with propaganda dressed as independent military analysis.
Atrios 17:02
Most did or will buy second or third homes with that regret, if any of them are your neighbors, be sure to freely express your displeasure with these jackals.
uppity kitty |
04.19.08 - 6:05 pm | #
My puppy is racked out across the hallway, completely blocking it. To step over her would be to risk awakening the beast.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 6:05 pm | #
Uh, thanks for sharing. I must say that when I've been around you, you've concealed your farts well. I don't even remember being graced with any SBDs.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Double thanks for sharing.
Just Another Zero |
04.19.08 - 6:06 pm | #
They do not regard the Iraq money as wasted. It would not have been spent on the poor and middle class anyway.
And a bad economy keeps the workers in line.
Gomez |
04.19.08 - 6:07 pm | #
100 mpg sounds pretty good about now.
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:07 pm | #
So I sent in the NRA's questionnaire. Mailed it the same day I received it. Without receiving it, the NRA has apparently endorsed Lindsey Graham.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 6:09 pm | #
Gromit: 100 mpg sounds pretty good about now.
Come buy my Agility. I'll finance it for ya.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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04.19.08 - 6:09 pm | #
"Retired Col. Ken Allard is an executive-in-residence at UTSA"
Oh. Things are not good suddenly.
EkCenTriK |
04.19.08 - 6:10 pm | #
So I sent in the NRA's questionnaire. Mailed it the same day I received it. Without receiving it, the NRA has apparently endorsed Lindsey Graham.
Snow (D-SC)
When they want your opinion, they'll tell you what to say.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 6:10 pm | #
Puppy!
Culture Of Truth |
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04.19.08 - 6:11 pm | #
At least the house smells of fresh wheat bread in the oven (I'm proud - I tried it from scratch not using the bread machine for the first time, and so far, it smells good, so I'm trusting I kneaded it correctly), a wickedly tasty bean soup on the stove, and a green salad just waiting for the lettuce and raddicio to dry.
So I got that.
When you die, you will receive eternal consciousness.
Stunt Woman |
04.19.08 - 6:12 pm | #
Goddamn bloggers! Getting prime face time on cable TV to espouse their left wing views in the liberal media and... um... er... uh... what the f$#@?... oh... er... never mind.
Mark Slocum |
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04.19.08 - 6:12 pm | #
No, but I burned a picture of Hillary Clinton in the street in front of my house. A couple of neighbors stopped by, someone turned on a boombox, and the next thing I know: block party!!!
That story in the the times depressed me. Like I was depressed when I read Brock's The Republican Noise machine.
Millions of dollars directed to the "information warfare" and the analysts are shills.
Yes I know this, but how many people don't? This is an old principle in PR get the experts on your side and make them available to the press.
You know we have to battle the media because they aren't doing their job and we have to battle the think tanks and the "experts" It just really gets fraking depressing and overwhelming at times.
And I think about all the money involved. If you want to be and expert for them just hold out your hand and they will send you the money and nobody mention's "this analyst brought to you by Lockheed via the War College "think tank".
Pope Joan |
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04.19.08 - 6:15 pm | #
They do not regard the Iraq money as wasted. It would not have been spent on the poor and middle class anyway.
But it is so wasted....so wasted. In the meanwhile...
ah, fuck it. I can't even go there.
How will my kid get thru college, you know?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:15 pm | #
When they want your opinion, they'll tell you what to say.
They are goddamned lying sacks of shit. Front page of their Political Victory Fund page says candidate grades and endorsements will be available in the Fall. Thursday, the executive director of the Political Victory Fund gave Graham an "A" and their endorsement.
Mid-April is not usually considered the Fall. Certainly not around here.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 6:16 pm | #
These people were so clever a duping us, we can not imagine any way to prevent it from happening in the future.
We apologize in advance for next time. Please continue to buy our newspapers and visit us online!
The New York Times |
04.19.08 - 6:16 pm | #
Oops, Pope Joan was me.
Maybe I AM Pope Joan!
Reincarnated!
Spocko |
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04.19.08 - 6:16 pm | #
Gromit- I just had some kind of Vermont zen moment.
Drinking a Long Trail, nibbling on some Neighborly Farms cheese, and munching Madhouse potato chips. All that was missing was the maple syrup (which I understand you people consume intravenously at night).
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 6:16 pm | #
as far as I can tell, the top LA teachers salary WITH A DOCTORATE AND A MASTERS is 80k.
Well, I'm sure the top LA fireman's salary is 120k+, then.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 6:16 pm | #
thanks for the recipe tip, Vicki.
daughter and granddog have arrived.
goingto follow Gromit advice.
peterboy |
04.19.08 - 6:16 pm | #
When you die, you will receive eternal consciousness.
I can dig it.
At least I know that I seize life like a heathen.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:17 pm | #
Jeffraham, doing fine, finished cleaning my house (for now), just waiting for Monsieur to arrive late tonight
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
04.19.08 - 6:17 pm | #
The time draws nigh for a blogger criminal investigation panel.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
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04.19.08 - 6:17 pm | #
They do not regard the Iraq money as wasted. It would not have been spent on the poor and middle class anyway.
Well, that would be evil socialism. Much better this way.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 6:17 pm | #
They are goddamned lying sacks of shit. Front page of their Political Victory Fund page says candidate grades and endorsements will be available in the Fall. Thursday, the executive director of the Political Victory Fund gave Graham an "A" and their endorsement.
Mid-April is not usually considered the Fall. Certainly not around here.
Snow (D-SC)
Personally, I think I'd go to their next meeting and exercise my Constitutional rights, if you know what I mean.
jac |
04.19.08 - 6:18 pm | #
Together, a veteran lawnmower and a newspaper deliverer can earn almost $175K annually.
ABC News |
04.19.08 - 6:18 pm | #
The big thing the Republican talking heads play on is fear. They literally want their audience to fear evil liberalism.
It's so weird.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:18 pm | #
allow me to "express regret" for being a memeber of the American public
virgotex |
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04.19.08 - 6:18 pm | #
Hey -- anyone know of when Roy Edros posted that picture of his apartment? I can't find the damn post & I need it, for, uh, certain purposes.
Thers |
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04.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
What?
The Bush administration used . . . PROPAGANDA?
watertiger |
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04.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
I gotta go take photos of OPP. brb
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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04.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
nba playoffs to last 2 months
a |
04.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
patient: you know what? i'll be fine. really! you don't...i don't need anything. i'm good. am i still under arrest?
cop: yes sir.
patient: but why? i'm not a bad person. (laughs)
cop: you put yourself in this situation, sir.
patient: but this is...i'm not a bad person. hey, what are you doing, man?
resident: i'm trying to fix these cuts on your arms, so sit still.
patient: my arms are fucked up.
resident: dude, you need to hold still so i can unfuck them, then.
patient: yeah but, whoa, i don't think you need to do anything. (tries to get up)
cop: buddy! you better sit still or i'm gonna put the handcuffs back on!
Nice. On o'them "vignettes" they talk about on the teevee.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
Gotta go finish the salad.
A little bit laterz, moonbats.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
04.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
What?
The Bush administration used . . . PROPAGANDA?
watertiger
I was waiting all this time for the NYT to report it, so I would know it is true.
Rmj, Bitter Theologist |
04.19.08 - 6:20 pm | #
Maybe I AM Pope Joan!
Reincarnated!
that might explain some things, Spocko
virgotex |
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04.19.08 - 6:20 pm | #
my erdos number is elite
a |
04.19.08 - 6:20 pm | #
So - to take advantage of the extra $5 savings do I drive out to Union Hills to pick up 25# worth of chlorine tablets, or not?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
04.19.08 - 6:20 pm | #
The big thing the Republican talking heads play on is fear. They literally want their audience to fear evil liberalism.
If we elect a liberal President, the odds that a transvestite heroin abusing communist will soon be teaching your son how to put a condom on another man increase 1000-fold.
PBS NewsHour |
04.19.08 - 6:21 pm | #
"The Bush administration used . . . PROPAGANDA?
watertiger "
I am sure that will be on the lips of every talking head and pundit out there after November.
Victims like the rest of us, unsuspecting and trusting. They will be so betrayed when the truth gets out.
EkCenTriK |
04.19.08 - 6:21 pm | #
"The Bush administration used . . . PROPAGANDA?
watertiger "
Don't be bitter.
Just Another Zero |
04.19.08 - 6:22 pm | #
It's not reciting propaganda if you merely repeat something that is already all over the Internet.
Charlie Gibson |
04.19.08 - 6:22 pm | #
The Bush administration used . . . PROPAGANDA?
watertiger
Don't be ridiculous. That report was in the New York Times - of COURSE it's a lie.
jac |
04.19.08 - 6:22 pm | #
people with below ground swimming pools should be levied a luxury tax
a |
04.19.08 - 6:23 pm | #
Gromit- I just had some kind of Vermont zen moment.
Sounds perfect. We had maple sugar (crystallized) on out oatmeal this morning.
Beautific day up here. 78° inland at the airport, but only 58° here by the lake, which has warmed up to a balmy...(goes to check)...38°.
House is open and airing out.
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:23 pm | #
I love reading here more than I like commenting. You guys/gals keep me thinking I'm not alone. Dinner beckons. See you later.
mer |
04.19.08 - 6:23 pm | #
Sallyh, Monsieur does seem to get around. Is he a prof too?
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:25 pm | #
As far as I'm concerned the mere mention of certain words should be taxed. Certain gourmet dishes exclusive to the rich.
a |
04.19.08 - 6:25 pm | #
Whew, that's over with. Did I miss anything interesting?
Marcellina |
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04.19.08 - 6:25 pm | #
As far as I'm concerned the mere mention of certain words should be taxed. Certain gourmet dishes exclusive to the rich.
a
Spats and elephant-foot umbrella holders.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 6:25 pm | #
Rmj, Bitter Theologist
I was about to answer you about Mukasey when my sister called.
Mukasey is another corrupt BushCo puppet. He's even worse than Gonzo, because he came with good references and got props from Dianne F and Chuck S. The Rs have done an incredible job of stonewalling investigations and covering up the BushCo crimes.
I don't know how they can look themselves in the mirror or show their face in public. it's disgusting.
portia |
04.19.08 - 6:26 pm | #
Hi, all.
Just catching up on some older threads and saw Marcellina's show news - how was opening night?
Sinfonian, discombobulated |
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04.19.08 - 6:26 pm | #
Whew, that's over with. Did I miss anything interesting?
Marcellina
You're not in INTERPOL custody?
Then I guess the answer is "not yet."
jac |
04.19.08 - 6:27 pm | #
Maybe it was playing the 3 trillion dollar game (Brave new Films) but I'm feeling very poor at the moment. Of course that didn't stop me from purchasing a diet cola and a piece of coffee cake (it got me free wireless access!)
What makes me crazy about these stories about the experts is that when you push the media they will give all the excuses why they use them, one is that they can't afford their own analysts. Yes so they comprise any kind of journalistic duty to the altar of "no money".
All the concerns about "Maybe some blogger is being paid by a campaign!" is NOTHING compared to this.
Fox news and Right wing radio is a giant 527.
Interestingly often the wingnuts are in opposite day accusing us of doing what THEY do. "The left is full of hate!"
Michael Savage sued CAIR for violation of RICO as well as copyright violations.
We want to look at the interlocking relationships in the media/military/government we would find lots of these things. Who would do the reporting on this?
The compromised media?
Spocko |
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04.19.08 - 6:28 pm | #
You're not in INTERPOL custody?
Uh oh. What's that all about?
Show went great. Smashing.
Marcellina |
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04.19.08 - 6:28 pm | #
Gromit, he used to be, retired two years ago (part time adjunct for 20 years).
This trip was for a funeral. However, he did manage to work in some skiing.
I'm kind of anxious about him coming home. I know he's not thrilled with me at the moment, but he was very nice in all the conversations we had over the week-he called every day-but I did do everything I said I would.
We want to look at the interlocking relationships in the media/military/government we would find lots of these things. Who would do the reporting on this?
The compromised media?
Spocko
Duane V., we ought to have a State 'o Maine Atriot sip-in sometime.
sidhra
I agree wholeheartedly..On the subject of a Mainer Atriot get - together, it's been talked about before. I called in to a Doug Watts appearance on the radio during the winter. He was visiting USM and he told people to call in..
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 6:31 pm | #
Give us a few minutes to get to yo- err, get BACK to you.
INTERPOL |
04.19.08 - 6:33 pm | #
Did anyone read those weird stalkery comments at my place,for my David Caruso post?
Marcellina |
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04.19.08 - 6:33 pm | #
Marcellina, Glad to hear that it went so well. Good audience? Were there flowers?
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:33 pm | #
kinda quiet around here for 93 visitors online ...
Sinfonian, discombobulated |
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04.19.08 - 6:34 pm | #
The Boston Phoenix names the Public Library as the best spot for free wi-fi:
Boston Public Library
You know what they say: if you must download porn, best to do it among coffered ceilings and marble floors rather than at home atop a pee-stained couch surrounded by empty bottles of Everclear.
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 6:34 pm | #
kinda quiet around here for 93 visitors online ...
86 of us are voyeurs
virgotex |
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04.19.08 - 6:35 pm | #
Double OT in San Antonio!!
Phoenix can't close the deal.
Amd the Mets are beating the Phillies again..
More bread and circuses..
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 6:35 pm | #
You know what they say: if you must download porn, best to do it among coffered ceilings and marble floors rather than at home atop a pee-stained couch surrounded by empty bottles of Everclear.
Jay C.
I'm not finding this in my copy of Bartlett's Quotations.
omg. I just found a tape I made of myself some twenty years ago. I'm...rambling, and unctuous, and self-absorbed...good thing there weren't blogs then. I am torturing myself by listening to it but it's cathartic in a way.
catalexis the Communist |
04.19.08 - 6:35 pm | #
kinda quiet around here for 93 visitors online ...
I am bitching about the NRA.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 6:36 pm | #
They don't do much in the way of flowers. I came home with a bag of little opening night presents (chocolates and such).
Occasionally a fan will throw flowers to a diva, but not often.
Good audience, and sold out for the next 4 shows at least.
Marcellina |
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04.19.08 - 6:36 pm | #
I'm kind of anxious about him coming home. I know he's not thrilled with me at the moment, but he was very nice in all the conversations we had over the week-he called every day-but I did do everything I said I would.
Calling every day seems like a very encouraging sign. Any he must be pleased with your changed preferences in beverage consumption, though that transition must have been a tough one, especially with all of the other crap going on.
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:36 pm | #
just for the record:
your favourite candidate sucks.
But not as badly as Thomas Friedman sucks.
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:36 pm | #
You know what they say: if you must download porn, best to do it among coffered ceilings and marble floors rather than at home atop a pee-stained couch surrounded by empty bottles of Everclear.
You may read it, if you are so inclined.
ThinlyVeiled |
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04.19.08 - 6:37 pm | #
omg. I just found a tape I made of myself some twenty years ago. I'm...rambling, and unctuous, and self-absorbed...good thing there weren't blogs then. I am torturing myself by listening to it but it's cathartic in a way.
catalexis the Communist | 04.19.08 - 6:35 pm | #
1987!!!
what was the subject matter?
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:37 pm | #
omg. I just found a tape I made of myself some twenty years ago. I'm...rambling, and unctuous, and self-absorbed...good thing there weren't blogs then. I am torturing myself by listening to it but it's cathartic in a way.
catalexis the Communist
Good audience, and sold out for the next 4 shows at least.
When you hear the "whoo-hoos" from 75 people in the cheap seats (followed by tut-tuts from dignified Austrians) that will be your Atriot cheering section.
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:38 pm | #
kinda quiet around here for 93 visitors online ...
We'll need five lurkers to come forward and tell us how they'll never comment here again.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
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04.19.08 - 6:38 pm | #
Sallyh, there's team at the local tavern's trivia night called "Avogadro, Please Give Me Your Number." Thought someone would appreciate that. Not me, though!
Jay C. |
04.19.08 - 6:39 pm | #
In honor of the Jewish tradition of eating bitter herbs at the Passover Seder, I've a new post up at my shitty fucking blog that no one reads.
You learn quickly!
virgotex, yup. I am the one in the purple training outfit.
Marcellina |
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04.19.08 - 6:39 pm | #
I'm trying to multitask at the moment--this grant application has to be completed tres soon.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
04.19.08 - 6:39 pm | #
Sinf: Gosh that was a great panel.
I probably should have written out my plans for the vast left wing conspiracy for those who didn't attend. I just didn't feel like cluing in the right wing media to what plots and plans us DFH were onto.
The other thing that is pissing me off it that the highly paid consulting firms that are advising the democratic campaigns haven't hired us and said. "Okay smarty pant's DFH, what should we do?"
"First give me your 5 million dollars and then I'll tell you want to do?"
But that's MY money, I want your advice for free!
Well I've found if you pay for the advice people take it seriously.
Kos addressed this in the book Crashing the Gates.
Spocko |
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04.19.08 - 6:39 pm | #
what was the subject matter?
How pissed I am at right wingers oddly enough. And how I need to lose ten pounds, and quit smoking.
Did the last one eventually.
catalexis the Communist |
04.19.08 - 6:39 pm | #
when i did 'the Artists Way' workbook I deliberately wrote so quickly (3 pages; the 'morning' pages) that I rendered the 'reflection' later impossible.
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:41 pm | #
sallyh, ca va?
Oh, and has anyone seen GWPDA around?
jac |
04.19.08 - 6:41 pm | #
Capsule carrying first SKorean astronaut lands off target
MOSCOW (AP) - A Russian capsule carrying South Korea's first astronaut touched down 260 miles off target in northern Kazakhstan on Saturday after hurtling through the atmosphere in a bone-jarring descent from the international space station.
It was the second time in a row - and the third since 2003 - that the Soyuz landing went awry.
bsx |
04.19.08 - 6:42 pm | #
GWPDA is doing the Viennese Waltz by moonlight somewhere I think
Does she have drops of Jupiter in her hair?
catalexis the Communist |
04.19.08 - 6:43 pm | #
>>>> poof!
And then there were 81!!
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 6:43 pm | #
I was just reading a local blogger's blogroll and came across this:
It's weird. Doing what I should be doing = good. How I feel about stuff = not quite so good.
Sallyh
Well, it's our emotions and feelings that get us into these things to begin with, no? We can't control what we feel, only what we do about it.
jac |
04.19.08 - 6:43 pm | #
bsx | 04.19.08 - 6:42 p
Remember that time Don Knotts missed his landing zone but actually was so on target that he landed right on the aircraft carrier?
/What? That wasn't real? Next you are going to tell me he didn't turn into a fish during world war II.
Spocko |
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04.19.08 - 6:44 pm | #
jac, well, okay, then I'm doing what I should be doing. Eventually the feelings will catch up.
It's just a weird cognitive dissonance, that's all.
Only five years before the Days of Rage white racist terrorists captured and murdered three activists working to promote democracy in Philadelphia, Mississippi, buried their bodies in a dam, and were acquitted by an all-white jury. I remember that too. Goodman, Schwerner, and Cheney came from different places, but they ended up together.
Which gets me thinking -- I wonder if any U.S. presidential candidates or members of the Senate have ever had any acquaintance with, or socialized with, any white racists, former members of the Ku Klux Klan or the White Citizens Council or any of the other groups that supported anti-democratic racist terrorism in the United States when I was a teenager? Why don't the media check that out? Maybe they'll understand why some people were enraged -- and not only Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Maybe Barack Obama was only eight years old in 1969 -- but I was a little older.
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:46 pm | #
Which gets me thinking -- I wonder if any U.S. presidential candidates or members of the Senate have ever had any acquaintance with, or socialized with, any white racists, former members of the Ku Klux Klan or the White Citizens Council or any of the other groups that supported anti-democratic racist terrorism in the United States when I was a teenager? Why don't the media check that out? Maybe they'll understand why some people were enraged -- and not only Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:50 pm | #
Taking the dog out for a walk before dinner. Later, gators
Gromit |
04.19.08 - 6:50 pm | #
obama's going to have to take the gloves off with these idiots.
I'd venture he's waiting for the right moment?
juan ono
No, he's taking the high road, for the good of the party. I suspect things will change once it's down to him vs. McCrazy...
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 6:51 pm | #
Of course Junior isn't the first utterly corporate-oriented president (you scratch my back, etc...),
He's just the most unapologetic, unethical and dishonest.
ok |
04.19.08 - 6:51 pm | #
No, he's taking the high road, for the good of the party. I suspect things will change once it's down to him vs. McCrazy...
Duane V, Bitter Classist | 04.19.08 - 6:51 pm | #
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and the media one hopes.
he's going to have to educate them publicly.
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:51 pm | #
I wonder if any U.S. presidential candidates or members of the Senate have ever had any acquaintance with, or socialized with, any white racists, former members of the Ku Klux Klan or the White Citizens Council or any of the other groups that supported anti-democratic racist terrorism in the United States
Well, they all know Robert Byrd.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 6:52 pm | #
Eddie Izzard marathon tomorrow on BBC America.
Starts at 4.
I saw the trailer for Steve Coogan's "Hamlet 2" at the movies last night.
Looking forward to that as well.
SteveNS |
04.19.08 - 6:52 pm | #
eschatonblog.com! when did this happen? what craziness will result?
alex |
04.19.08 - 6:52 pm | #
kmout. back later.
sidhra
see you soon, Sidhra.
Duane V, Bitter Classist |
04.19.08 - 6:53 pm | #
Catholics upset with DC metro for showing the Pope in a red skull cap.
Snow (D-SC) |
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04.19.08 - 6:54 pm | #
eschatonblog.com! when did this happen? what craziness will result?
alex
Don't tell me eschaton.com was already taken.
MP |
04.19.08 - 6:55 pm | #
Good Point Juan ono. But of course they will deny knowing them." That was a long time ago! I didn't know the money was from them!"
Or they will deny that they showed up at their crowning of the successor to Jesus even when you have a photo of them at the event. (Moon)
Moon has said some really crazy ass things and of course the same standards don't apply. "We'll he didn't go to Moon's church for 20 years" (but you took this money for that long) "Well it's different because Moon didn't say any of his things in English that could be on YouTube. I didn't know what he was saying!"
Spocko |
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04.19.08 - 6:55 pm | #
Wow...you've got folks analyzing the "middle finger" footage over at MyDD and breaking it down frame by frame.
This is embarrassing.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
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04.19.08 - 6:56 pm | #
Hey Diane!
I'd offer to take you for a lovely meal this evening, but alas, I am cashless.
Tyler Perry casts Bill Cosby's Rudy Huxtable as
Tyler Perry's Madea's latest foil, Prostitute Candy, in Tyler Perry's
latest Tyler Perry film "Tyler Perry's Madea Goes to Jail"
the goddamn k&y |
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04.19.08 - 6:58 pm | #
Wow...you've got folks analyzing the "middle finger" footage over at MyDD and breaking it down frame by frame.
Was the cameraman Abe Zapruder, Jr.?
Sinfonian, discombobulated |
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04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
a whiter shade of pale?
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
Wolf Blitzer is a shit SHEETS
Stormysu |
04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
♪ Believe it not, they're out of ideas / They
never thought they could be this dry / Stealing away all 80s TV / What
could it be? / Believe it or not, its Mr. Hinkley ♪
the goddamn k&y |
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04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
I believe I owe at least half a coke to juan ono.
Sinfonian, discombobulated |
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04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
Well, since you were over there, what are they saying?
Well, since you asked:
I respectfully ask you and Jonathan to go to this CBS video and freeze it at about 0:39 or 0:40, and then you see it as clear as day. It is CLEAR that the middle finger is extended. and it's a salute!
Note right at that moment (about 0:41) the reaction of the two women at the back (left of the frame, behind Obama's right shoulder). Look closely at the reaction of the woman in red shirt and watch her explain it to her neighbor.
Zap Rowsdower, aka Habeas |
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04.19.08 - 7:00 pm | #
Was the cameraman Abe Zapruder, Jr.?
Sinfonian, discombobulated | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
my thought too.
did an umbrella open?
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 7:00 pm | #
Wow...you've got folks analyzing the "middle finger" footage over at MyDD and breaking it down frame by frame.
Well, since you were over there, what are they saying?
Marcellina
He TOTALLY flipped her off.
jac |
04.19.08 - 7:00 pm | #
For those of you Facebook-inclined, I just posted a pic of my son on my profile. It was in the local paper (well, their online version) a couple of weeks ago; I just found out about it today.
Sinfonian, discombobulated |
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04.19.08 - 7:00 pm | #
But we shall do this soon.
Sallyh
I certainly hope so!
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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04.19.08 - 7:00 pm | #
I believe I owe at least half a coke to juan ono.
Sinfonian, discombobulated | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 6:59 pm | #
I'll take a half a Brio!!!!!
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 7:01 pm | #
obama extends the middle finger just as Hillary's index finger
touches a black photocopied letter on her notes...
A Black Letter??????????????????
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 7:02 pm | #
homer:
they have facebook now on the internet
juan ono |
04.19.08 - 7:02 pm | #
All, and I mean all, Pentagon public relations should be stopped by law or constitutional amendment. Period.
Not one penny of public money should be spent propagandizing the public.
A pipe dream I know but an issue that should be addressed in the public sphere by the Dems, but won't be.
rapier51 |
04.19.08 - 7:36 pm | #
We have finally identified the Propaganda Ministry and it is where we expected it to be...inside the military an unaccessible to us and our institutions.
Nur al-Cubicle |
04.19.08 - 9:05 pm | #
Like it wasn't obvious from the very day (Sept 11) on? I mean, where the hell did all those ready-made experts spring from. All of them trumpeting a threat they had been deriding til that very day.
And the same thing will happen the day a Democrat other than Hillary is elected. The Repubs will declare the War On Iraq won, or as good as, and continueing it one more day is impeachable, and might kill all the ponies so recently dug from the ordure.
mooser42001 |
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04.19.08 - 11:30 pm | #
This time the Blogger Ethics Panel joke falls flat. they have failed, collectively to do anything whatsoever different from the national political crapola
Self-examination DOES need to happen, if only to show that it can be done. My last vestige of illusion vaporized.
Temple Stark |
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04.20.08 - 12:23 am | #
Not "God Bless America", it's "God Damn America". America is run by a select few ultra rich white men, men who collect money and power and will never have enough. They have done this by waging wars and then seduce us into wearing flag pins, flying flags and singing patriotic songs and then convinces us to label anyone who thinks otherwise as a heretic. And, the worst punishments throughout history are given to the heretic. Does Reverand Wright sound so off the mark now? Was he saying anything different than what Ike warned us about 50+ years ago?
Peabrain |
04.20.08 - 2:17 am | #