HULK SMASH!!!
I think I'm not even now quite used to the idea that we had a government with no strategy for the so-called war and its aftermath. Somehow I still seem to think that the leaders should know better.
frist for AG
I'm nervous about the war, too. And angry.
Poop.
.
Sorry, tofubo. But second after a goddess is not to be scorned. 
From the thread below, allie said:
My imdb.com friend says that white women are selfishly not reproducing enough and female suffrage will cause the downfall of Western Civilization.
This is a common argument on many of the wingnut blogs and in the Townhall. From that point of view women can decide to be in a burqa OR to cede their votes and breed lots. But no burqa. Impressive choices.
Impeach, dammit!
GOP senators nervous about war
Soldiers dead about war.
evening moonbats!
taking a break from reading Harry Potter
My imdb.com friend
I wouldn't waste my time on someone like that.
Really.
The reason Republicans in the Senate are more nervous now is because Harry Reid's cut off their escape routes.
They now must vote for withdrawal, or for Bush. No phony Warner-Lugar bullcrap allowed.
So I hear Mitch McConnell and Kit Bond are cut'n'runners?
Hi Moonie! Don't have my copy yet -- are you liking it so far?
The curious case of the controversial cartoons that didn’t count
America, America by Kahled Mattawah
taking a break from reading Harry Potter
Moonbootica, Graduated
What's that?
Hi Moonie! Don't have my copy yet -- are you liking it so far?
Phoenix Woman | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:26 pm | #
very much so!!!!!
Harry Reid's cut off their escape routes.
So that's what the 'Thuglicans are calling theirs these days.
nutroot aholes' definition of "decent": portending US defeat and humiliation in Iraq, whereupon nutroot aholes everywhere will wet their bunched panties in uninhibited joy
I still remember the outrage over the lack of post invasion occupation plans.
The only plan shrub had was to take over the economy and natural resources and that had nothing to do with the people living in Iraq at all.
This would have been good journalism in November 2006.
July 21...
"September is the month we're looking at," he said unequivocally.
September...
"November is the month we're looking at," he said unequivocally.
November...
"March is the month we're looking at," he said unequivocally.
March 2008...
"November is the month we're looking at," he said unequivocally.
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SUCKER!!
Hi Moonie! Don't have my copy yet -- are you liking it so far?
Phoenix Woman | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:26 pm | #
very much so!!!!!
Moonbootica,
I finished it. Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy get married (Elton John officiates), and they open an S&M club in SoHo.
Hope I didn't spoil it for you.
From that point of view women can decide to be in a burqa OR to cede their votes and breed lots. But no burqa. Impressive choices.
echidne
Yes, because those two choices are always mutually exclusive.
Why does no logic penetrate? Where women are forced to wear the burqa, they have no vote and must breed lots.
Such a pity to see, Shit, er, Spit, oh yeah, Kit Bond dissing the Prez.
"CNN: US alliance with brutal Sunni militias 'ugly but effective' David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Friday July 20, 2007
CNN on Thursday showed graphic footage of a pro-US Sunni militiaman beating and threatening to kill a suspected al-Qaeda member and of another al-Qaeda member being executed by a militia group.
"In Anbar Province," President Bush recently boasted, "Sunni tribes that were once fighting alongside al-Qaeda against our coalition are now fighting alongside our coalition against al-Qaeda. We're working to replicate the success in Anbar in other parts of the country.""
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/
CN...de_to_0720.html
it is staggering how little the Bush Junta know of history.
invading a country and having no real plan of what to do next.
and to be deluded enough to think they would be welcomed with kisses and a parade i am just lost for words
John Warner's not going to change his vote. He's going to retire from the Senate in order to avoid having to do that. Fuck you, Mr. Elizabeth Taylor.
Speaking of, Gen. Petraeus was on Hugh f-ing Hewitt's show the other day.
Nothing wrong with that.
Reposting from downstairs:
Of course she did not. But dammit: I am tired of trying to fix the stupid.
DWD - White Haired Guy
Bring up the catholic church payout and ask her how many of those kids could have been saved by a little knowledge.
This analysis is clearly neither serious nor wise. Nor does it take into account that, while the President is "asleep but responsive during the colon check" that Dick Cheney must be in control of the government, so that Congress can fulfill its duty of simply funding the President's war efforts.
As he does during those times when Bush sleeps; since Cheney never sleeps.
"What is the greatest pleasure?"
"The greatest pleasure is to killfile the trolls, to drive their purile drivel into oblivion, and to hear the lamentations of their inflatable sex toys.
THAT is the greatest pleasure!"
Cool, you get to see the trolls squirming.
Why do fundies think we need to populate every friggin square inch of the globe?
Why does no logic penetrate? Where women are forced to wear the burqa, they have no vote and must breed lots.
Well, yes, of course. But their other logic is even odder, because it is essentially based on the idea that women can choose their oppressors but oppressors they will have.
I am pulling this up from below as it is actually, at least marginally, on subject.
Also at the family reunion today I had a chance to visit with Mrs DWD's cousin who works in Washington. (One really does not ask what he does as it is extremely sensitive intelligence work. He is a PhD in Physics and a graduate of the Air Force Academy and has been in the Intelligence "Industry" for about twenty years. He IS the real thing.
What I did ask him was this general question, Do people you work with realize how fucking stupid they look to the rest of the country?
His answer an interesting one: He said the actual people preparing the intelligence are doing a pretty good job and are being honest with what they are presenting - then the bullshit starts flying. He went on and on and on about the politization of the Good information they were providing. I could tell he was disgusted and while he singled out the current administration, he did not dismiss anyone from his contempt. No. One.
I read the end of the HP book first. I couldn't help it. I don't like surprises.
Its kind of like a computer generated LA LA LA
Sunni tribes that were once fighting alongside al-Qaeda against our coalition are now fighting alongside our coalition against al-Qaeda.
Saddam's old boys, no doubt, removing the competition.
The Iraq debate will ultimately conclude with some sort of consensus as to how many more people will need to die because of it.
I read the end of the HP book first. I couldn't help it. I don't like surprises.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Its the part Rowling wrote first.
Mizrahi!!!
Why does no logic penetrate?
No flirting.
taking a break from reading Harry Potter
Moonbootica, Graduated
Say nothing. I'm only 100 pages in.
I read the end of the HP book first. I couldn't help it. I don't like surprises.
Hecate
The epilogue, or the part everyone wants to know?
I'm curious if the parallel is as obvious as I think it is.
Um, Leninsky, you DO know that, once you've been killfiled, we don't see any of your inane, logic-free keyboard droolings.
You DO know this, right?
And no open tags.
don't killfile your own Nutroot Harriet Meiers Circle-Jerk---the rest of the US is hanging on every nutroot-ahole's opinion
but oppressors they will have.
echidne
And like it.
Say nothing. I'm only 100 pages in.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:32 pm | #
you can count on it!
I am currently on page 206
OT: A mystery disease is destroying rare coral populations around the UK coastline, according to marine biologists. The disease, which has similarities with infections that have decimated tropical reefs, is the first ever identified in cold water corals and the first to be seen in British waters.
The researchers have established in laboratory experiments that it is caused by a bacterial infection which seems to be prompted by increases in water temperature. That has fuelled speculation that the recent spate of outbreaks is due to rises in the sea temperature around Britain due to climate change.
http://
environment.guardian.co.u...2131516,00.html
I have a terrible temptation to start a discussion on the ending of the Potter book. 
"But because they're small in size, it's not that worrisome even though he had five."
Like jellybeans! Or grilled cheese on whitebread sandwiches!
Sunni tribes that were once fighting alongside al-Qaeda against our coalition are now fighting alongside our coalition against al-Qaeda.
Saddam's old boys, no doubt, removing the competition.
Richard | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:32 pm | #
Bingo... shrub is such a putz.
Rachel Maddow had a story of US troops killing 6 Iraqi police officers last week. Apparently they had a bad habit of killing US troops
I have a terrible temptation to start a discussion on the ending of the Potter book.
echidne | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:34 pm | #
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
if it happens I may have to like murder you all
/jk 
Yeah, Leninsky we have to unkill you to read your comment. So try to convince us to do that. Go ahead. I can't hear you.
Comment by Leninsky blocked.
I have a terrible temptation to start a discussion on the ending of the Potter book.
echidne
I'm leaving! (I only started it last night to avoid the inevitable spoliers. But it's so well written (it ain't Proust, but it's still good!) that I'd rather be home reading. Which is probably what I'll do all night.)
Comment by Leninsky blocked.
Heh, sucks to be you.
So, the Republicans who have to run in 2008 are distancing themselves from the President, eh?
I'll bet Gen. Musharraf wishes he could do so as well.
I'll be staying up reading it to the small hours I think!
I won't give it away either. The specifics at least.
moon:
call the Tennessee Pomposity Blimp, Al Gore, and report in. Meanwhile, you can buy advance tickets for Gore's next film, "Stop Cow Farting!" on Ticketmaster.
Here is some decent journalism
Exchange with Preston Glidden on Planned Obsolescence
"...to drive their purile drivel into oblivion..."
Leninsky, what part of that are you having trouble comprehending?
Just joking. I don't even have the book.
The ending of Harry Potter? He graduates from Hogwarts, but with only a third honours degree.
Moonboo,
Are you in the part of Britain that's getting soaked?
See, this is what you look like to us now: go away and play somewhere else.
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So, did the Doctors put Boosh's head back when they were done?
The epilogue, or the part everyone wants to know?
Both. That's how much of a wuss I am. Here's my excuse: I'm doing Reiki training this weekend and can't start reading it until Monday and I just couldn't wait that long. Son,D-i-L, G/Son and I went to the book release party in Silver Spring last night, wandered in and out of the Leakey Cauldron, drank butterbeer, got face painting, danced to the band, people watched, and had a grand old tiime.
Rachel Maddow had a story of US troops killing 6 Iraqi police officers last week. Apparently they had a bad habit of killing US troops
pigboy
A 20 year old kid on a night patrol could reasonably be expected to light up anything that moves.
Thanks, Chimpy, for making this situation happen.
"I read the end of the HP book first..."
Its the part Rowling wrote first.
Like I said earlier, that's how Mickey Spillane used to write 'em!
The ending of Harry Potter? He graduates from Hogwarts, but with only a third honours degree.
The Kenosha Kid
Ah, crap!
Why bother now?
Highlarious!
Moonboo,
Are you in the part of Britain that's getting soaked?
bo | 07.21.07 - 5:38 pm | #
yep, me and my mum were caught in a downpour on the way back from seeing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, we got soaked through.
Hecate,
My English friend that I mention from time to time is a Reiki Master. You two should talk.
Rachel Maddow had a story of US troops killing 6 Iraqi police officers last week. Apparently they had a bad habit of killing US troops
pigboy
A 20 year old kid on a night patrol could reasonably be expected to light up anything that moves.
Thanks, Chimpy, for making this situation happen.
MP | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:38 pm | #
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That is true. But these guys were supposedly planting roadside bombs.
my local cinema was packed
Ah, crap!
Why bother now?
Hee hee. I was just 'avin a laff at Moonbootica's expense.
Squirm, trollie.
OT: Labour's "Brown bounce" in the opinion polls continued with the party enjoying a seven-point lead over the Conservatives in a survey.
The YouGov poll echoes the seven-point margin in another survey last weekend and shows Labour maintaining a comfortable advantage over the Tories for the first time since David Cameron became leader in December 2005.
Almost 1,700 people were questioned on Thursday and Friday for the Sunday Times, as voters in Sedgefield and Ealing Southall delivered a by-election rebuff to the Tories, who limped in third in both contests.
The survey put Labour on 40% - up five points on a similar poll a month ago - the Conservatives on 33% (down four) and Liberal Democrats on 15% (up one).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
uklate...6796322,00.html
Ah, crap!
Why bother now?
Rmj
Because he's having you on?
I like the S&M club ending better.
Well, I haven't seen the movie yet, either.
So don't tell me Sirius dies at the end. It'd spoil it for me.
Comment by Leninsky blocked
Truly, you are dumber than two bulls fucking.
Because he's having you on?
Really? I'd have never guessed.
I like the S&M club ending better.
jac
The one with the horses?
The Kenosha Kid is making a very subtle reference to my degree (at least thats what I got)
I recently graduated with Third Class Honours
One of the symptoms of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.
"Comment by Leninsky blocked. [unkill][show comment]"
No matter how many times you try, it's always going to be the same thing, asshole.
You are now in killfile hell.
Population: YOU!
HAW! HAW! HAW!
Obviously, the weekend editor let this slip by accidentally, and both she/he and the writer of the article will be summarily fired come Monday morning.
The one with the horses?
Rmj
No, my "ending" upthread.
The next President is going to handed godawful mess. I already feel sorry fo the guy/gal.
What is so appealing in the Potter books is fun to talk about, though. I think the early ones had that pattern of doing away with the good parents altogether (by making them dead), which always appeals to children as then they can look at the adults as perhaps evil. And Potter was the Cinderella-boy with special talents which were invisible. And it was ok to think of other people as something lower (Muggles). Then add magic and a separate society for the select.
I recently graduated with Third Class Honours
Moonbootica, Graduated
But did anyone die?
My English friend that I mention from time to time is a Reiki Master. You two should talk.
DWD,
Yeah, my brilliant friend R. is a third degree RM. She's doing the training for Level I, today and then, tomorrow at my house. I can't be up all night, so I'm not going to start the book. Maybe Monday. I've kind of resisted getting Reiki training up until now -- lots of witches do get it-- because I don't see myself, as many witches see themselves, as a "healer." But I figure it can't hurt to get the training. When my ankle was broken, R. did Reiki on me and I could feel the heat pouring out of her hands all the way through my cast.
But did anyone die?
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 5:43 pm | #
I am pleased to report no.
we all got out alive
I can't type today. I give up.
the Vice-Chancellor did not turn into a huge snake demon and try to devour us.
But I think it helps society if there is assistance balancing work and home for women and men.
Not that long ago (6 months?) you used to be able to make the argument that there was such a large surplus of grain, that there was absolutely no reason to not have subsistence level food support for all.
But now our wastrel in chief, and his oil buddies, are burning food into fuel.
There are other possible technologies, that I and others have mentioned here and many places, but they choose the worst possible one. This adversely affects food supplies, national security, and the health of the nation.
Doug | 07.21.07 - 5:33 pm | #
Is it time yet, to just call Republican conservatives what they are, traitors?
call the Tennessee Pomposity Blimp, Al Gore, and report in. Meanwhile, you can buy advance tickets for Gore's next film, "Stop Cow Farting!" on Ticketmaster.
Manica, do not attempt humor.
It sprains your pea brain and gives the rest of us a sinus headache.
No, my "ending" upthread.
jac
Mine is an obscure reference to "Equus." Which at least involved a nude Harry Potter.
The Taliban took over Afghanistan, were friendly to Al Qaeda (both being fundamentalist Sunni)and 9/11 became possible. Iraq is mostly Shia and is no friend of Al Qaeda. Sunni terrorists, as they are usually defined, will never take over Iraq. Neither the Iraqis nor the Iranian will ever allow that.
Once again the essential conflict between Shia and Sunni is either ignored or handwaved away due to ignorance.
What is so appealing in the Potter books is fun to talk about, though.
echidne
My wife enjoys the books (I read the first, it just isn't my thing). She has commented that each of the characters is someone a child can identify with - an insecurity they will share, and a power the child wishes s/he had.
Not to mention the sheer creativity of the world Rowling created.
yep, me and my mum were caught in a downpour on the way back from seeing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, we got soaked through. - Moonbootica
Loved this one from the AP's report:
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Waters rushed into the basement of the Royal Shakespeare Theater, in his birthplace of Stratford-upon-Avon, around 100 miles northwest of London.
The theater company, which has two other venues in the town and is currently refurbishing the flooded venue, canceled a performance of "Macbeth" on Saturday, fearing audiences would be unable to reach the site.
"The area where the theaters are is under water," spokesman Dean Asker said. "It's a shame we're not performing "The Tempest," it would've been more appropriate."
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Thank heavens global warming is only a myth. [/Inhofe
Okay, so the landlord isn't coming by, today. Dang.
.
Once again the essential conflict between Shia and Sunni is either ignored or handwaved away due to ignorance.
Mudge
They're all Muslims, and they all hate our freedom.
QED.
But I think it helps society if there is assistance balancing work and home for women and men.
In a civilized epoch, that would be assumed.
these guys were supposedly planting roadside bombs.
They had joints! In their wallets! We found them!
The problem with lying all the time is that no one believes you, even when you tell the truth.
Police in central Italy say they have uncovered a bomb school for Islamist militants after raiding a mosque in Perugia and making three arrests.
Evidence of training in explosives and poisons, and instructions on flying a Boeing 747 were reportedly found.
Police said the suspected cell had links to a group associated with Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.
They seized the imam and two other men, all Moroccans, and have a warrant for a fourth man believed to be abroad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
6909961.stm
Mine is an obscure reference to "Equus." Which at least involved a nude Harry Potter.
Rmj
Ahh. Given that I've been painting outside, and not into horse porn, I missed that.
But when that Watson girl is about 15 years older, I'll be watching.
Not to mention the sheer creativity of the world Rowling created.
This is true. People and children especially yearn for fairy tales. The more baroque the better.
A 20 year old kid on a night patrol could reasonably be expected to light up anything that moves.
Thanks, Chimpy, for making this situation happen.
[again]
An al-Qaeda plotter who planned to kill thousands of people in the UK and US in "dirty bombings" has been badly injured in an attack by fellow prison inmates.
Dhiren Barot, 35, from Kingsbury in north-west London, had been serving life at HMP Frankland near Durham.
He spent five days in Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary after the assault.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...and/
6910025.stm
Not to mention the sheer creativity of the world Rowling created.
jac
Something I noticed last night. Anyone who can entrance so many with just her imagination deserves at least our respect.
That, in itself, is no small feat.
our wastrel in chief, and his oil buddies, are burning food into fuel.
I'm going to steal that. It's what they're doing and it's even dumber than eating your seed corn. And, I'm going to explain this very slowly. We all come from a long line of people who, by definition and the fact that we are here, did not eat their seed corn. I am just saying.
A British soldier from the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment has been killed in Basra, southern Iraq.
The Ministry of Defence said the soldier died as a result of a rocket or mortar attack on the Army's Basra Palace base on Saturday.
The soldier's next of kin have been informed, the MoD said.
The death brings the total number of British service personnel killed in Iraq to 163, with 127 of those killed in combat.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/69.../uk/
6910361.stm
Oh, and Manica - you couldn't carry Al's jock strap.
This is true. People and children especially yearn for fairy tales. The more baroque the better.
echidne
Human nature is consistent that way. And persistent.
This hour on the big Dave™© Blog marathon, for all you kids, we've got that legend of rock 'n roll, Buddy Holly!
And don't worry, Mom and Dad - we'll have some Steve and Edie for you a little later in our show...
"I'd drink your bathwater"-Lindsey Graham to 43
billy b,
fight 'em if you want, but please don't quote 'em.
Thanks, ;^)
"On the morning of July 16, 2007, the people of Oaxaca poured into the Zocalo, intent on reclaiming their annual cultural celebration known as the Guelaguetza. By late morning, the “People’s Guelaguetza” had become a “megamarcha” with thousands taking to the streets. By early afternoon, it had become a battle for the city, after police attacked the peaceful march."
We will no longer permit our traditions and our culture to be sold to the best bidder.
COMMING TO YOUR TOWN SOON
THE CARPETBAGGERS
Wall Streeter's Entities
Buy $70 Million of Land
By CHRISTINA S.N. LEWIS
July 20, 2007; Page W8
Trusts and partnerships linked to billionaire hedge-fund manager Bruce Kovner paid about $70 million earlier this year for a swath of oceanfront properties in California's Santa Barbara County. Taken as a whole, the purchases of 12 adjacent acres, in February and March, are believed to rank among the largest U.S. residential real-estate deals.
For those who may have missed it, the official Bush White House & RNC approved list of Republican talking points on Iraq has gotten a bit of a make-over in the past few days.
For the full list of the latest GOP approved Iraq falsehoods, smears and hallucinations, see:
"The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points."
People and children especially yearn for fairy tales. The more baroque the better.
echidne
How else would you explain fundies?
TUM
I'd truly like to read that. I'm an old broad. Even w/ large-size text, that's too tiny for my eyes. What's this festival about? Been reading Ehrenreich and would like to follow up on your post.
. Anyone who can entrance so many with just her imagination deserves at least our respect.
That, in itself, is no small feat.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin
Indeed. Talented, and she seems to be wearing her success well and giving back.
Must be going. There is pasta to consume and this book that arrived today needs looking into.
Keep up the fight! Slay the trolls whenever they appear!
terrorists in Italy? more evidence of BushHitler's 9/11 conspiracy!!!!!!!!
People and children especially yearn for fairy tales. The more baroque the better.
echidne
How else would you explain fundies?
1Watt, Hermit
You may have hit on the real reason the fundies are opposed to the Potter books. Competition, as they see it.
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For once, I am amused.
Dumbass.
Leninsky | 07.21.07 - 5:53 pm | #
http://thumbsnap.com/v/DD4cql02.jpg
you never see them in the same room together.......
I can't wait to kill annieangel, pud, jack, General Zod, etc.
People and children especially yearn for fairy tales. The more baroque the better.
echidne
How else would you explain fundies?
Actually, the fundies hate fairy tales. See, e.g., their reaction to Harry Potter. Fairy tales tend to encode deeper truths: Stepmothers can want you dead, aid can come from unexpected sources, your third wish counts, be nice to the ugly old lady that you meet on the road. Fundies don't want people to learn those deep truths. I've never known a fundie who wasn't opposed to fairy tales, science fiction, fantasy, and real poetry for precisely this reason.
"Bush fingerprints found in Fiat car-bomb...."
You may have hit on the real reason the fundies are opposed to the Potter books. Competition, as they see it.
echidne
I've been saying that for years.
I can't wait to kill annieangel, pud, jack, General Zod, etc. -Gomez
Toby and annie are already on my deadlist.
Comment by Leninsky blocked, again
You may even be dumber than me.
OT: Postal workers score partial victory
Published by Hossam el-Hamalawy July 21st, 2007 in Egypt, Activism, Labor, Economy
I met one of the postal strikers last night, to try to find out what happened earlier in the day.
The workers started their industrial action last Monday. Out of 350 temporary workers taking part, 95 used to stay and sleep over inside the building, demanding:
1- Job security contracts
2-Receiving the same salaries like their instated colleagues
3-Relocating job assignments to the places of residence of each worker. (Meaning, postal workers who live in Menoufiya wanted to be assigned to the Menoufiya postal service, instead of assigning them some other province without providing the adequate travel expenses.)
The workers occupied the ground floor of the Egyptian Postal Service building in Ramses, and faced intimidation and verbal threats from the management, local police, State Security, and the “Postal Security.”
http://arabist.net/arabawy/2007/...artial-victory/
Actually, the fundies hate fairy tales. See, e.g., their reaction to Harry Potter. Fairy tales tend to encode deeper truths
Exactly, Hecate. And those deeper truths tend to be eons older than Christianity.
The coolest part of the Potter books was the alternate universe created.
As is Big Fitz.
"I'd truly like to read that. I'm an old broad. Even w/ large-size text, that's too tiny for my eyes."
Sorry. Try this link. You can download a pdf there.
The only religion in school, when I was a wee bit, was the teaching of the golden rule. That bit of wisdom seems to have disappeared.
"Real" fairy tales are mildly subversive, as Hecate noted, because they tell the truth.
"Disney-fied" fairy tales are bowdlerized and bourgeois visions of life with no bearing on reality whatsoever. Those are the versions that "compete" with the doctrines of some fundamentalists.
Exactly, Hecate. And those deeper truths tend to be eons older than Christianity.
I think that Bettleheim has written about this, but it was an amazing book by Starhawk and Hillary Valentine called Twelve Wild Swans that taught me why fairy tales really matter.
"Tidy East Bay neighborhoods where garbage service is provided by the company that has locked out its drivers were still tidy Wednesday -- something that couldn't be said for some scruffier areas where pickups were days overdue.
A spot check by The Chronicle of homes and businesses from Albany to San Ramon found that trash is being taken away on time in well-to-do neighborhoods. Replacement workers for Waste Management Inc. are running late on some garbage pickups in poorer locales, however, particularly in the Oakland flatlands.
Fruitvale, East Oakland and West Oakland appear to be the hardest-hit of the areas served by Waste Management, which locked out 500 Teamsters employees July 2, because it said it feared the union would strike after its contract expired three days earlier.
About 200 replacement drivers, in some cases shadowed by guards, have been making scheduled pickups in neighborhoods The Chronicle checked in Albany, Emeryville, Livermore, San Ramon and Castro Valley as well as in the largely middle-class Temescal and Montclair parts of Oakland.
Service in poorer neighborhoods is spottier. One West Oakland garbage bin was overflowing Wednesday, five days after the trash was supposed to have been picked up, while across the street the garbage cans were empty. On one East Oakland street, a resident reported that no garbage truck had been by since the lockout began."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
articl...MNGK0QV7HF1.DTL
Soprano saves the day!
She's coming to get her daughter from work, and has kindly offered me a ride to the frozen pizza and beer store.
.
Thanks, TUM. Have you read Ehrenreich's book, Dancing in the Streets?
Overstretch in Iraq and Afghanistan Leaves UK Vulnerable to Attack
"Disney-fied" fairy tales are bowdlerized..."
And the news has been David Broderised in a similar fashion.
our wastrel in chief, and his oil buddies, are burning food into fuel.
I'm going to steal that. It's what they're doing and it's even dumber than eating your seed corn.
The sick (sick society) part of this is that there are many other technological answers. To name a few;
1/ Algae biodiesel, made off of waste products, power and industrial exhaust gas, garbage, sewage.
2/ Thorium breed nuclear reactors
You can't make bombs with them, and you can burn up plutonium, and nuclear waste.
3/ Solar, the 10 cent per watt solar cell I mentioned earlier, changes the practicability of this being a major source of power.
4/ wind,
5/ electric, and hybrid vehicles. The prius is good, but we need diesel hybrids with even better mileage.
6/ and good old conservation.
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BTW, collecting some of the rain on my property, has enabled me to have a two stage evaporative cooler without increasing my use of metered water.
I've been pumping that collected rain water through a fountain that runs during the night, which cools that water down. During our nighttime monsoon rains, it gets even cooler, about 45F. That is ran through the swamp cooler during the hottest parts of the day (when it gets above 100F).
The AC has not had to run since I did this.
"Mitt Catches S**t Over Hillary-Bashing Sign
Posted Jul 21st 2007 8:02AM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Wacky and Weird
Not everyone is a fan of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, but comparing them to one of the most dastardly pieces of human excrement of all time -- that might be bit much. Especially for a presidential candidate.
TMZ obtained photos of presidential candidate Mitt Romney trying to win over grammatically challenged South Carolinians Thursday by holding a sign that said, "No to Obama, Osama and Chelsea's Moma."
http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/21/mi...y-bashing-sign/
RJM,
I agree with you. And yet, such is the power of the messages encoded in fairy tales, that they sometimes come through even the Disneyfied versions. It helps to be asleep and passive when your prince comes for you in the patriarchy. Women give up their voices when they fall in love in the patriarchy. You have to squeeze your feet into glass shoes (yourself into an uncomfortable shape) in order to attract a prince in the patriarchy. Some boys just won't grow up.
How else would you explain fundies?
1Watt, Hermit
You may have hit on the real reason the fundies are opposed to the Potter books. Competition, as they see it.
echidne
Actually, the fundies hate fairy tales.
Hecate
Actually, the Hermit and the Snake are onto something.
There's a duality in Fundamentalism - "certainty" that your beliefs are the right ones, coupled with a bit of insecurity that maybe they're not.
So in addition to promoting your own view, you try to suppress opposing systems, just in case you are forced to compete on a level playing field - and lose.
Doug,
My new rain barrel came on Friday and gets installed on Monday. I'm so excited about it. I'm going to do a bit of magic on it tomorrow night. i can't wait to quit paying the county to water my hostas and ferns and herbs.
Of course, "fairy tales" are inalterably the product of European Romanticism, since most of them were written by the Brothers Grimm (from sources, but still) and Cinderella and Pinocchio have identifiable authors, and the themes in general conform to Romantic expectations, so....
my mum has a rain barrel in her garden.
Anyone who read this blog the past week could have written that article.
"Have you read Ehrenreich's book, Dancing in the Streets?"
No, but I just Googled it and found Terry Eagleton's review at the Nation. Thanks for the rec. It looks interesting.
"Mitt Catches S**t Over Hillary-Bashing Sign
The picture is the damning part.
How does he distance himself from that?
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
Of course, "fairy tales" are inalterably the product of European Romanticism, since most of them were written by the Brothers Grimm (from sources, but still) and Cinderella and Pinocchio have identifiable authors, and the themes in general conform to Romantic expectations, so....
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin
What about all the "Arabian Nights" stuff that got translated By Burton?
"fairy tales" are inalterably the product of European Romanticism, since most of them were written by the Brothers Grimm (from sources, but still)
A lot of them predate the Grimms by quite some time, but, certainly, you're correct, they were filtered through European Romanticism. What's amazing to me are the ones that don't end "happily ever after." The little match girl dies of the cold. The sister isn't able to weave enough nettles to prevent the youngest of the 12 brothers from having one arm left as a permanent swan's wing. The princess wakes up, but only in time to be married off into a life of sleepwalking while the part of her represented by Malificent is slain by her husband. I could go on about fairy tales forever.
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
echidne | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 6:14 pm | #
I've never worked out that either.
You have to squeeze your feet into glass shoes (yourself into an uncomfortable shape) in order to attract a prince in the patriarchy. Some boys just won't grow up.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Well, the shoes, for example. In the "original," one sister chops her toes off to fit into the shoe. When the blood comes seeping out, the Prince figures out he's got the wrong sister. The next sister chops her heel off, to the same effect.
Not the Disney version, donchaknow?
The picture is the damning part.
How does he distance himself from that?
Gomez
Why would you assume he'd want to?
That's good for a 10-point bump in SC.
Hecate, to get some idea of the rain fall on your land, go to one of the hardware stores, and look for a cheap rain gage. I found one at ace made out of crappy styrene plastic (the stuff thats supposed to be unbreakable but instead is exceptionally breakable) for a couple of bucks. Good enough to get an idea of the possible volume. I need that data, because I'm going to be collecting monsoon rain from more than just off of my building's roofs. I've been putting in purgula covered patios around my house, and will have rain collection from those surfaces in addition to the roof. I need to know how large of a collection tank to have to be able to keep some reasonable amount of the water falling in the summer.
I always thought that the fairy tales have stepmothers being bad not only because having a stepmother was not that uncommon in the days of high maternal mortality rates but more so that the story could be told in front of the biological mother without her censoring it. What's interesting, though, is the almost total lack of stepfathers in those stories. Probably partly because fathers were not expected to be especially nice? So the real father could be nasty in the stories.
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
echidne
Anything not Protestant Christian is Satanic.
Even Catholicism (Pope = AntiChrist, etc.).
"You're either wid us, or agin' us."
Oh, yeah, the tales predate the Brothers Grimm and HCAndersen, but most of what we have are the products of individuals, not an ancient "zeitgeist," vox populi, or spiritus mundi.
Anymore than Beowulf as we have it is the original Viking poem. But you work with what you have. The Industrial Revolution destroyed and perversely preserved so much. Kind of like the "Great Wall of China," which I just saw an exhibit of photographs of. It was the Europeans who gave it that name, in the 19th and 20th centuries. Not until tourism after Mao's death did China decide it was a unifying symbol of the country.
So it goes.
Why would you assume he'd want to?
That's good for a 10-point bump in SC.
jac
Comparing Hillary and Obama to a mass-murderer is beyond the pale.
They could get an embarrassing apology out of him.
"There once was a man named Vitter/Who vowed that he wasn’t a quitter/But with stories of women/And all of his sinnin’/He knows his career’s in the -- oh, never mind."
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
It's a bit convoluted, but here's how it goes. Wiccans don't bellieve in Satan and say that he's a xian invention. Xian fundies are always trying to conflate Satanism and Wicca. When that won't work, they say that while Wiccans don't understand this, Wicca is really just the way that Satan dupes people into Satanism. Once you're so far into Wicca that you can't get out, you realize that you're practicing Satanism and it's too late. Then, you have to believe that a book about wizards is the same thing as a book about witches and that being drawn into HP is being drawn into Wicca which, in their view, leads to Satanism.
It's a bit twisted, as I said.
There actually are books that do a good job of laying out what Wicca's all about for teens. Carolyn Bird's Circle of Three series comes to mind. Harry Potter's not about Wicca, it's about an imaginary form of wizardry based, to the extent that it's based on anything, on ceremonial magicianship.
Comparing Hillary and Obama to a mass-murderer is beyond the pale.
They could get an embarrassing apology out of him.
Gomez
1) Not among South Carolina Republican Activists. They make our Georgian variety look liberal.
2) Then he'd be a wimp.
Well, the thread is slowing down so it's time for a beer run.
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
echidne
Mostly the connection between "Satan" and "magic" is a relic of medieval lore.
What's more interesting is how magic has shifted from powerful influence (the "weird sisters" of Shakespeare, for example) over persons, to technological type power, as in much of Harry Potter, where magic merely parallels science in its manipulation of the material world.
Don't get me started....
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
It's a bit convoluted, but here's how it goes...
I think I just became a Satanist reading that.
TMZ obtained photos of presidential candidate Mitt Romney trying to win over grammatically challenged South Carolinians Thursday by holding a sign that said, "No to Obama, Osama and Chelsea's Moma."
http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/21/mi...y-bashing-sign/
pigboy | 07.21.07 - 6:09 pm | #
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lets hope its his MACACA moment
they never learn
bwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Where does the Satanic accusation come from in the Potter context, though? I don't recall Satan using magic anywhere.
He waved a wand and it made Rep. Vitter and Pastor Ted go to hookers.
He seems to do that a lot to conservatives.
I think I just became a Satanist reading that.
Bwhahaha! See how it works?
I think I just became a Satanist reading that.
NTodd for Naught
And all the fundies cry: "I told you so!"
Peeps who read teh internets bloginess and watch the John Stewart are the best informed people in the house.
I wonder about any correlating stats for depression. Cuz. Da'yumn.
technological type power, as in much of Harry Potter, where magic merely parallels science in its manipulation of the material world.
I once had a thought that it would be neat to teach a Magic of Muggles class at Hogwarts. Showing the kids that there are many forms of magic, and science qualifies (right, Mr Clarke?).
Oh, yeah, the tales predate the Brothers Grimm and HCAndersen, but most of what we have are the products of individuals, not an ancient "zeitgeist," vox populi, or spiritus mundi.
Anymore than Beowulf as we have it is the original Viking poem. But you work with what you have.
Rmj
In "Anglo-Saxon England," Stenton points out that the entire notion of an "original version" is misplaced. Minstrels inserted names and characters into the stories based on who was in the room listening.
He goes on to point out the striking similarities between Hengist and Horsa's entry to England, and that of Cerdic and Cynric (both are in the Chronicle) - and makes a very good case that the entries for Cerdic and Cynric are merely the Hengist and Horsa story retold in another court with different names, and written down.
A 20 year old kid on a night patrol could reasonably be expected to light up anything that moves.
Not really. The rules of engagement under the Geneva Conventions for an occupying army are quite different than that.
He goes on to point out the striking similarities between Hengist and Horsa's entry to England, and that of Cerdic and Cynric (both are in the Chronicle) - and makes a very good case that the entries for Cerdic and Cynric are merely the Hengist and Horsa story retold in another court with different names, and written down.
jac
Precisely. Same thing with the shift from "Abram and Sarai" to "Abraham and Sarah" in Genesis.
So now that I've got my copy of Hollows, I should burn it?
So now that I've got my copy of Hollows, I should burn it?
NTodd for Naught
Throw it in the bathtub and see if it floats.
terrorists in Italy? more evidence of BushHitler's 9/11 conspiracy!!!!!!!!
Leninsky
You're catching on!
IMPEACH THE KINGS
http://impeachcheney.org/
So now that I've got my copy of Hollows, I should burn it?
NTodd for Naught
Throw it in the bathtub and see if it floats.
Gomez
lets hope its his MACACA moment
sittenpretty, that's what first came to my mind when I saw the picture.
s h e e t s
lets hope its his MACACA moment
sittenpretty, that's what first came to my mind when I saw the picture.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 07.21.07 - 6:29 pm | #
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thats because you are a very astute persona
For the fundamentalists, any religion other than their own is intrinsically Satanic.
About 20 years ago, a friend of mine, who had become a fundamentalist, once showed me a video that he had gotten from a Christian bookstore. It was all about the evils of Eastern mysticism (transcendental meditation, in particular) and how it lead to Satan.
The one moment in that video that stayed with me is footage of people doing a yoga position called "the snake".
Snake! Garden of Eden! Satan! Told you so!
Throw it in the bathtub and see if it floats.
I was thinking maybe I'd stack rocks on top of it until it confesses.
Wow! A little taste of the way the news used to read before 'Murica went facist. Thanks for the nostalga.
This is terrible journalism.
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Liberals celebrate a liberally slanted news article in a liberal news outlet.
Next up: Liberals celebrate the rise of the sun in the east.
Ho-kay, I have only scanned thees thread, so I do no know eef someone addressed thees already, but can someone explain to me thees leetle beet?:
According to several officials, Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, and McCain engaged in a brief, impromptu debate touching on that point recently at a private meeting of the rank and file.
Voinovich said the Sunni and Shiites in Iraq would together drive al-Qaida from their country if the U.S. were not there. McCain took the opposite view. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, noting that the meeting was private.
¿I mean, Meowtf?
I'm going to Swiftboat that article with my phony Media Reject Center
The people who are getting their panties twisted over Harry Potter probably haven't even READ any of the books.
That was an "Op-Ed"
The facts have an anti-Bush bias.
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