HULK SMASH
Why, oh why didn't we listen?
Because we are pitiful stupid children?
Fucking liberal
lots of things i didnt like about ike, but he sure told the truth here.
I love that speech for the prescience of the message.
He sounds so....rational
NO SPOILERZ
The noive!
Whatever.
That said, I've been following this stuff for a couple decades, and the amount of change I've seen in the last few years is pretty amazing. People are catching on and making an effort on a scale I've never seen.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 04.25.08 - 10:12 pm
There was a LTE in This Old House magazine from someone who was whining about being beat about the head with the green stuff. Which is too fucking bad, because people are beginning to realize that something is happening. They can tell their summers are hotter, etc.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.25.08 - 10:15 pm
How would today's pundits have reacted to this speech?
Wut?
I'm not depressed enough?
I'm making a sammich 
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euphronius | Homepage | 04.25.08 - 10:16 pm |
Patrick Duffy is the last Cylon.
Friday, I'm tired.
Have fun.
'course, Smedley Butler talked about war being a racket way before...
It's the Prison Industrial Complex we have to worry about now.
The War on People (disingenuously called the War on Drugs) is just part of the ongoing American Holocaust.
Now we're exporting it!
How would today's pundits have reacted to this speech?
Gromit | 04.25.08 - 10:16 pm | #
they would bravely raise the issue of ike's patriotism, and explain why it was good for republicans.
And of course, nobody listen to Washington when he warned against parties...
Imagine if a Democrat gave that speech today?
Don't forget Eisenhower's Secretary of State was John Foster Dulles.
Eisenhower was president for eight years. He had rather a part in all of it. He was right, but as he was leaving. He didn't fight when he had to, on this and on other things. He did, though, use federal troops to enforce desegregation.
There's an element of that, obviously. I think in some ways that it's even sicker than that, though...I think that on a certain level people want it to happen, either as a punishment or simply as a spectacle.
Come on, man. We're going to be raptured!
Richard | Homepage | 04.25.08 - 10:16 pm |
If there's going to be a Rapture can God take all the stupid people and the leave the planet to those of us who care for it?
And of course, nobody listen to Washington when he warned against parties...
Is it on YouTube?
He did, though, use federal troops to enforce desegregation.
ProfWombat | 04.25.08 - 10:18 pm | #
he waffled on that, too.
And of course Lincoln warned against the very same fucking thing way back when..
GWPDA, I'll have to look up the copper craftsman. I don't know If I'd want a copper sink, though if he's working copper, he might also be willing to make other items, such as an exhaust hood. Right now I've been thinking of patio space, and one thing I'd like is an outdoor but covered and screened patio kitchen. I'd still want the stove top to have an exhaust system. Stir fry can be stinky and eye burning if you are frying a chili-garlic herb flavoring for the rest of the dish.
Doug | 04.25.08 - 10:17 pm | #
Somewhere, dwd is banging his head against a wall.
Duane V, Too Serious
Two things: First, I am a hockey fan first and foremost. I watch basketball only to avoid Cable News. Second: Pistons will eliminate the Sixers, sorry. 
Imagine if a Democrat gave that speech today?
Hell, imagine if it were a Republican...
'course, Smedley Butler talked about war being a racket way before...
NTodd, TKPD | Homepage | 04.25.08 - 10:17 pm |
I read that as Smedley Bear.
I think it's time to go to bed.
Oooh, he's talking about the "scientific, technological elite".
He must have supported HRC.
i dont think ike went after mccarthy either.
Major Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933:
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
If there's going to be a Rapture can God take all the stupid people and the leave the planet to those of us who care for it?
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins
That would be nice, but if he wants to surround himself with teh stoopits for eternity, I have serious doubts about the whole 'omniscience' thingie...
McSame is in my town tonight, (OKC)holding a $2300.00 per plate fund raiser. If you want a picture with McRanky, that'll be an extra $1000.00
We Dems had a local fundraiser too. For $2.30 you got all the hot dogs and whistle fruit you could eat. Candidate cut-outs of the two Democratic contenders were available for photo's for an additional $1.00
Great fun.
'course, Smedley Butler talked about war being a racket way before...
Dirty fucking 2 Medals of Honor receiving Hippie.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
The Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kennedy wanted to stage terrorist acts, hijack planes & blow up building with US citizen casualties to garner popular support for a war.
Kennedy said, "No."
Whatever happened to him and his brother, anyway?
Hell, imagine if it were a Republican...
NTodd, TKPD
If a Repukkke gave it, it would be ignored.
A Dem? 24/7 cable outrage.
Google up Lincoln's warning....
talk about prescient.
Another mystery post for those of us without Flash.
Dirty fucking 2 Medals of Honor receiving Hippie.
Goddamned Quaker...
Eisenhower was president for eight years. He had rather a part in all of it.
Thank you.
Ike waited until he was walking out the door to deliver this nugget of wisdom...
If there's going to be a Rapture can God take all the stupid people and the leave the planet to those of us who care for it?
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins
That would be nice, but if he wants to surround himself with teh stoopits for eternity, I have serious doubts about the whole 'omniscience' thingie...
flory | 04.25.08 - 10:20 pm | #
I don't believe in the Rapture, but I would find it very funny if god left the fundies behind and took people who actually had brains and compassion and that sort of thing, no matter what relgion, or non-religion, you were.
Major Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933:
Dude! Major General!!!
O
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ABC has a gay couple kissing on a park bench in Alabama.
911 was called. Police showed up.
Ike?
I shudder to think what GWB's "goin' out" speech will sound/read like...
Major Smedley Butler, USMC, 1933:
Dude! Major General!!!
Major, Major General...what's the difference? Besides, he was a Marine, and nobody listens to them...
There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
Happy birthday Edward R. Murrow
Okay, I'll go watch & listen.
There's going to be a Spirit movie? That could be great -- I loved Eisner!
Actually, the previews for the Ironman movie look good -- certainly potential there (& Downey may be a junkie, but he is a hell of an actor) -- I had the first Ironman comic (he used to be bulky & gray -- or steel colored if you prefer)
Prior Aelred
I cannot wait for either one of these movies..
911 was called. Police showed up.
Culture Of Truth
I should hope so!
PDA?
Simply not done, darling.....
W:
Don't ever allow a moron to become president.
Thank you and adios,
I am off to Paraguay
BTW, starting with this Paxcast I read most of War Is A Racket...
ABC says most people in Birmingham were accepting.
And you can read War Is A Racket for free...
ABC says most people in Birmingham were accepting.
Culture Of Truth
Sounds gaii.....
Just coming in, but did you guys catch KO's apology for his 'taking Hillary into a room' analogy?
the first ironman i remember was (i think) gray--then he got that yellow and red metallic costume.
Photographers,
Look at this photo by my friend. Isn't it beautiful?
Euphronius,
Did you try the formula again?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
The Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kennedy wanted to stage terrorist acts, hijack planes & blow up building with US citizen casualties to garner popular support for a war.
Woah.
Check out the dateline for that article: May 1, 2001.
Talk about fucking prescient!
Two things: First, I am a hockey fan first and foremost. I watch basketball only to avoid Cable News. Second: Pistons will eliminate the Sixers, sorry.
DWD
First,I know, and second, I hope you're right. I loathe the Sixers..
but if he wants to surround himself with teh stoopits for eternity, I have serious doubts about the whole 'omniscience' thingie.
Rev 3:
"[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:"
Fundies get left behind.
Just coming in, but did you guys catch KO's apology for his 'taking Hillary into a room' analogy?
E told me about that earlier today. Didn't sound like much of an apology...
Look at this photo by my friend. Isn't it beautiful?
Wow. Looks like a painting.
18 people have been awarded the Medal of Honor twice.
17 received their second award posthumously.
KO's apology is up at Think Progress.
E told me about that earlier today
Why are you talking to Elias?
Re: Ike (the first president I remember -- HST was gone before I was aware of things like presidents) waited until he was on his out before telling it like it was -- but ditto for integration -- he did it when he felt he had to do (which is not to say that a modern Republican would have found a way to avoid following the law) -- he also hated Senator McCarthy (unlike the Kennedys) but kept his mouth shut -- he was a canny general as a politician just as he had been a canny politician as a general.
These dirty cocksuckers are ramping up for the attack on Iran.
Gromit,
Where's the linkee to the page where you tabulated Atriot states 'o residence, professions, hobbies, etc?
Does anyone here read Eric Alterman's slacker friday column every Friday?
the first ironman i remember was (i think) gray--then he got that yellow and red metallic costume.
pretzelattack
Had a gold one for a while between the gray and the red & gold..
Gromit,
Here is another of her photos.
She baked all those cakes.
Reverend Wright just referenced the "Balm in Gilead" hymn. That theme is really large in the African American Community. At nearly every assembly or meeting it is customary to sing that song. It is as common as Lift Every Voice and Sing.
Where's the linkee to the page where you tabulated Atriot states 'o residence, professions, hobbies, etc?
Right here, darlin'
http://eschatoniacs.blogspot.com/
Why are you talking to Elias?
Grrrrr...
Wow. Looks like a painting.
Gromit | 04.25.08 - 10:27 pm |
This I love.
How many times has someone tried to compliment my paintings by saying, Wow, looks like a photograph!
puppethead
it's Ike giving his military-industrial complex warning speech.
the first ironman i remember was (i think) gray--then he got that yellow and red metallic costume.
pretzelattack
Had a gold one for a while between the gray and the red & gold..
It's been mostly red and gold since, except for a brief red-and-silver period.
These dirty cocksuckers are ramping up for the attack on Iran.
angryspittle
Yes. I bet they plan to bomb Iran and hand it over to the Democratic president.
I can sell my Ironman comics from 1969 now?
So - I can listen to Ike and hear what he has to say and not cringe. The same reaction over the years I've had to John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton. Not that I've necessarily agreed, but I could listen to them. I could hear them. I felt no visceral hatred, antagonism, loathing.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kennedy wanted to stage terrorist acts, hijack planes & blow up building with US citizen casualties to garner popular support for a war.
Woah.
Check out the dateline for that article: May 1, 2001.
Talk about fucking prescient!
André
Where do you think the Bushies got the idea?
I think hrc's strategy is to turn otherwise perfectly rational people so phlegm specked spilitting angry that they say things they need to apologize for.
the first ironman i remember was (i think) gray--then he got that yellow and red metallic costume.
pretzelattack
Had a gold one for a while between the gray and the red & gold..
Duane V, Too Serious
I had some of the original Iron Man comics.... but my brother has them now...*sniff*
how far we have fallen.
.
GWPDA: I loathed Johnson viscerally when he talked about Vietnam. Otherwise, agreed...
Don't forget Eisenhower's Secretary of State was John Foster Dulles.
Eisenhower was president for eight years. He had rather a part in all of it. He was right, but as he was leaving. He didn't fight when he had to, on this and on other things.
Yep.
Yep -- Ironman started bulky & gray & then painted himself gold -- after that he went for the svelte red & gold look -- which is teh gay (not that's there's anything wrong with that)
I can sell my Ironman comics from 1969 now?
DWD
Wait 'til just after the movie comes out..
Red Sox and Rays go into extra innings. Mom and sister are at the game, somewhere in the LF stands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h?
v=IygchZRJVXM
Author James Bamford discusses America's documented plan to kill Americans in false-flag terrorist attacks to gin up support for war.
If I were a gal comic books would be a deal breaker.
Operation Northwoods.
Motherfuckers.
Dear Ike,
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Who woulda thunk it.
back from going out for a hot roast beast sammuch and 2 pints a lager.
my son is old enough that I can take him to eat at these places. it's cool
needed it after today
hello all
If I were a gal comic books would be a deal breaker.
Nah, there's a lot worse stuff than comic books, e.g., fucking your sister or something.
Author James Bamford discusses America's documented plan to kill Americans in false-flag terrorist attacks to gin up support for war.
Sorry, not tonight. No can do.
Five star general Dwight David Eisenhower...DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIE!
I had some of the original Iron Man comics.... but my brother has them now...*sniff*
ellroon bitterful | Homepage | 04.25.08 - 10:31 pm | #
yes threw away all my early fantastic fours, spiderman, thor, ironman, (sobs hysterically).
"Dear Ike,
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you."
you forgot the woo woo woo
Walk-off homer for Nats against Cubs
If I were a gal comic books would be a deal breaker.
WalterNeff, dingleberry
? Deal breaker for what? Someone who agrees with me that Thor was cool in the early issues, that The Fantastic Four's writer was excellent, that Aunt Mae had more heart attacks than was physically possible....
I had the first Ironman but I think I sold it back in the days -- I wanted money -- probably to buy more comic books -- it's called the economy -- & good night!
Oil went up over 2% today just because of the incident in the gulf.
Just try to imagine where it goes if/when we bomb Iran.
http://www.bloomberg.com/
markets...ergyprices.html
Does anyone here read Eric Alterman's slacker friday column every Friday?
seed
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I do! I read Altercation every day and partic like Charles Pierce's comments.
Mariners starter losing 3-0, bases loaded, one out. First inning.
Sorry, not tonight. No can do.
Gromit
Yeah, I understand. It's heavy stuff.
Not as fun as Iron Man or Battlestar Galactica.
But at least as important as Ike's speech, if not more.
Peace!
Photographers,
Look at this photo by my friend. Isn't it beautiful?
Oh wow, a home in NYC for only $75 million!
I do not get comic books. At all.
i liked the washington monthly more when pierce was the editor.
updated 4:51 p.m. ET, Fri., April. 25, 2008
NEW YORK - Oil prices rose sharply Friday on news that a ship under contract to the U.S. Defense Department fired warning shots at two boats in the Persian Gulf. Retail gas prices as expected rose further into record territory, nearing $3.60 a gallon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801/
That theme is really large in the African American Community
I wonder the wisdom of attacking a black person's affiliation with a church, considering how central the church is to the community. I'm thinking the NC GOP commercial could backfire badly.
I do not get comic books. At all.
WalterNeff, dingleberry
One way to start kids reading. Plot line, science fiction, art... all good.
The two most prescient warnings of corporate domination and war came from two Republicans.
How fucking ironic.
Mariners starter losing 3-0, bases loaded, one out. First inning.
Well that sucks.
I"ve never seen a pic of Pierce but I find his brain to be tres sexy.
I wonder the wisdom of attacking a black person's affiliation with a church, considering how central the church is to the community. I'm thinking the NC GOP commercial could backfire badly.
Except that the GOP commercial is designed to get white people to vote GOP. They don't care how many African-Americans they offend.
I wonder the wisdom of attacking a black person's affiliation with a church, considering how central the church is to the community. I'm thinking the NC GOP commercial could backfire badly.
puppethead | Homepage | 04.25.08 - 10:38 pm | #
To a lot of white people, what goes on in AA churches is completely foreign and apparently scary. I don't see the downside.
well i liked comics when i was a kid. now, i mourn throwing away thousands, maybe tens of thousands of dollars.
Loved comic books as a kid. Moved from there into science fiction, and from there into history, philosophy and 'serious' literature.
Gateway drugs.
Main problem is those who endow comic books with more seriousness than their material warrant...
Washington monthly pierce and altercation pierce not the same
Watching Eisenhower highlights how lost the GOP is from that era, at least as much as Eisenhower's GOP was from Lincoln's.
NEW YORK - Oil prices rose sharply Friday on news that a ship under contract to the U.S. Defense Department fired warning shots at two boats in the Persian Gulf. Retail gas prices as expected rose further into record territory, nearing $3.60 a gallon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801/
Bjorn,a poor young country boi
Wait until we find out the shooter has stock in the oil companies...
"Hey, Joe! Look at this! I fire this round and ten minutes later the price of oil goes up!"
Cubs lose. What's new. Too bad. Ha, Ha Ha.
Charlie Pierce is terrific. Love his writing and his rants on the NPR Sat Am sports shoes. Looks like a schlubby middle aged college professor.
woooooooooowwowowowow
holy shit
Atrios - thanks - I'd hate to be stalking the wrong guy...
Main problem is those who endow comic books with more seriousness than their material warrant...
Jack Kirby is god!!!!!
The only comic book I ever read was Mad.
I'm thinking the NC GOP commercial could backfire badly.
It is quite the six degrees of separation. Well, two anyway. You shouldn't vote for the Dems because they support Obama and Obama is bad because his former preacher said some bad stuff; therefore, the NC Dems are bad people although they don't even know Jerry Wright.
Franklin Pierce was our greatest president.
yes threw away all my early fantastic fours, spiderman, thor, ironman, (sobs hysterically).
pretzelattack
If I were a gal comic books would be a deal breaker.
WalterNeff, dingleberry
? Deal breaker for what? Someone who agrees with me that Thor was cool in the early issues, that The Fantastic Four's writer was excellent, that Aunt Mae had more heart attacks than was physically possible....
ellroon bitterful
I haven't found her yet, but I'll have to..
Because I still have them all!
Yes, I must have at least 10,000 comic books!!
The Cubs need to get busy if they don't want to go into a second century of rebuilding.
I wonder the wisdom of attacking a Christian person's affiliation with a church, considering how central the church is to the GOP community.
but I bet this will work out OK for the anti-Christians in the GOP. really.
The only comic book I ever read was Mad.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian
That's where I began....
Phillies win - without rolins and victorino and without howard hitting well. go Phils!!!
Main problem is those who endow comic books with more seriousness than their material warrant...
East of the Sun, West of the Moon.
A designer friend made me read Watchmen some months ago - gave up after the third or fourth page. Got in trouble, tried again on the promise to finish the whole thing. Made it to maybe page 6. Remember none of it.
Musician Lou Reed and his long-time companion Laurie Anderson recently married, the New York Post said Friday.
I just hope the children get her looks and his musical talent
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/
Lou...e_04252008.html
.
Still listening to Ike. He sounds like my dad.
dang gromit, you have ruined my fantasy!
Lidge has been outstanding
Yes, I must have at least 10,000 comic books!!
Duane V, Too Serious
0.0!!
"Thor was cool"
and the lady sif...
ah yes.
Any of you old timers remember Classics Illustrated? I hated it, even in 4th grade.
Main problem is those who endow comic books with more seriousness than their material warrant...
yeah, graphic novels. snort.
Jack Kirby is god!!!!!
Richard
'Nuff Said!!
Ministry's latest album, the Last Sucker, has a song with excerpts of this speech. Awesome.
A - WHY THE HELL AINT U PACKED UP UR HOUSE YET?
Don't u realise u have to clean all the grout in the tiles in the kitchen underneath the stove?????
Crumb is a god, whereas Ki4rby attains demigod status.
dang gromit, you have ruined my fantasy!
TEBB, uppity female
sorreee
Any of you old timers remember Classics Illustrated? I hated it, even in 4th grade.
Gromit | 04.25.08 - 10:43 pm | #
journey to the center of the earth had a good dinosaur fight.
Franklin Pierce was our greatest president.
And the only one from New Hampshire, I think they named a third rate college and law school after him.
"Lidge has been outstanding"
and eaton hasn't sucked!!!
mention not that outfielder who is hitting well at the moment. I fear that will not continue.
Graphic novels = Action figure.
Lipstick on a pig
Gromit: 'Clasics Illustrated' were uniformly terrible; the classics themselves were incomparably better. Couldn't imagine a way to turn a kid off reading more effectively, excluding the forced reading of 'Silas Marner' by eighth graders...
Just bought Jack Kirby's Fourth World Omnibus, Vol.4...
Any of you old timers remember Classics Illustrated? I hated it, even in 4th grade.
Gromit
I got an A on a pop quiz in high school English because I had the Classic Illustrated Macbeth....
i read somewhere that stan lee tried to rip kirby off.
Charlie Pierce: