I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarExcellent!


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Gravatarjust to thow some one out.


GravatarI will not enjoy.


GravatarNipped Kenosha.

{slaps forehead}


GravatarTHERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!
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Gravatarpreznit giv me turkee!!!!


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GravatarFuzzy
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Gravatar...it's kind of jarring to see an "afternoon thread" when it's only 10:15 in the morning...


GravatarAgain:

Authorities in the Brazilian Amazon came under fire this week after reports that a 16-year-old girl had been repeatedly raped and tortured while being held in a prison cell with at least 20 men.
_________________________________________

If she'd been imprisoned in Amerika, she would have been able to rely on several years of abstinence training and emerged unscathed and totally revirginizable, like Elizabeth Smart.


GravatarDo you mean sales taxes could go down if we started taxing stock market transactions?

A stamp tax on financial transactions would be very interesting now, with the prevalence of short-trading hedge funds. Congress would never go for it.

Milton Arbogast | 11.24.07 - 1:19 pm | #


GravatarJust like the left to enjoy the enjoyment of a fresh thread.
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GravatarTax the Churches


GravatarJust like the left to enjoy the enjoyment of a fresh thread.

"They're too fucking lazy and/or stupid to give a shit."


Gravatar
THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!


Is that you, Picard?


GravatarThe Siege is on the local Fox...
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Gravatar ...it's kind of jarring to see an "afternoon thread" when it's only 10:15 in the morning...

Duncan Hack is a notorious Coastist.


Gravatarstock transactions are taxed on the capital gains of the seller. i suppose that is indirect.


GravatarThis stuff never gets old

Mr. Wertheimer met Mr. Kerik through Mr. Cohen, a longtime friend, according to associates, and the two spent time together during Mr. Kerik’s trip to Israel in August 2001. Later that year, as he left his New York City police post, Mr. Kerik handed out 19 gold and blue enamel badges that declared the recipients “Honorary Police Commissioners,” and Mr. Wertheimer received one, as did Mr. Berman and Judith Regan, then Mr. Kerik’s lover and publisher. The real estate developer Steven C. Witkoff, who is listed in the indictment as John Doe No. 5, who paid more than $236,000 in rent for Mr. Kerik from 2001 to 2003, also received one of the badges.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/2...on/ 24kerik.html


GravatarAnyone feel like curing my sinus infection? Echidne, maybe?


GravatarWe don't need no steenking badges!


Gravatar"It was the footprints of an gigantic hound!"

Saw a film last night based on the Hound of the Baskervilles made in 2000. Funny because it was filmed in Canada and I guess they don't having any moors lying around. They kept talking about the scary moors and all you saw were pine trees and mountains. Not the most successful Hound I have ever seen.


GravatarBadges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.


GravatarBadgers?


GravatarSaw a film last night based on the Hound of the Baskervilles made in 2000.

Saw "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer" last night. Dustin Hoffman was tremendously awful.


Gravatara list of things you are not allowed to know:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004766.php


GravatarComment by Milton Arbogast blocked.

Mmmmmmmmmmm... how SWEET it IS!


GravatarBadgers?
Zap Rowsdower

Still here for a few more minutz.


GravatarOkay, back to the grind for a bit...
bbl
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GravatarPhila, I highly recommend this site for some amazing pix of an abandoned island in Japan. It won't cure your sinus infection, though.


GravatarSpeaking of stinking badges, I wouldn't be surprised if our War Criminal-in-Chief orders up a Presidential Freedom Medal for ex-PM Howard.


GravatarBadgers?
Zap Rowsdower


WOLVERINES!


GravatarFuzzy

Wuzzy?


GravatarGolden Gophers!


GravatarTHERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!
.
Jeffraham Prestonian

---------------

Are they Freedom Lights™?


GravatarFuzzy

Wuzzy?

Wassa?


GravatarAlso in 2004, the Federal Communications Commission blocked access to a once-public database of network outages affecting telecommunications service providers. The FCC removed public copies and exempted the information from Freedom of Information Act requests, saying it would "jeopardize national security efforts." Experts ridiculed that notion.

I remember that one as having been particularly ridiculous.


GravatarBanana Slugs!

http://www.ucsc.edu/about/ campus...mpus_mascot.asp


Gravatarcan i just mention how cool it is that Westlaw puts the briefs for cases up online with the case? there are so many good ideas and practice examples in those briefs. I love them. also, they usualy have the oral argument transcripts for important cases. how cool is that.


GravatarMatthew Goode, Ben Whishaw, Michael Gambon, Hayley Atwell and Emma Thompson are going to star in Julian Jarrold's "Brideshead Revisited."


GravatarFirefighters in major cities are being trained to take on a new role as lookouts for terrorism, raising concerns of eroding their standing as American icons and infringing on people's privacy.

Unlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.

But there are fears that they could lose the faith of a skeptical public by becoming the eyes of the government, looking for suspicious items such as building blueprints or bomb-making manuals or materials.


GravatarBanana Phone!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wky5H1xC6-I


GravatarIn 2006, the Federal Communications Commission ordered destroyed all copies of an unreleased 2004 draft report concluding that media consolidation hurt local TV news coverage, which runs counter to the administration's pro-consolidation stance.

Congress shares that wide stance.


Gravatar"Are they Freedom Lights™?"

Nah - just looking for the other 996.


Gravatar Golden Gophers!

Golden gophers?!!


Gravatar...it's also the case that Howard was a tremendous asshole and it's lovely to see him being defeated.

and a good start to any day!


GravatarBut there are fears that they could lose the faith of a skeptical public by becoming the eyes of the government, looking for suspicious items such as building blueprints or bomb-making manuals or materials.
trifecta | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 1:33 pm | #
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duh this is a terrible idea. terrible. terrible terrible. the lawsuits will be swift and strong.


GravatarPresidential Freedom Medal

The Knight's Cross of the Bush Adminstration.


GravatarHoward probably starts in his new position with the Carlyle Group on Monday.


Gravatarthe reason firefighters dont need warrents is because they DONT search your house.

how stupid are the people? they are goig to waste so much fucking money and time on lawsuits that are clearly predictable.


GravatarBut there are fears that they could lose the faith of a skeptical public by becoming the eyes of the government, looking for suspicious items such as building blueprints or bomb-making manuals or materials.

Remember, a few years ago, when the Bush administration said it was enlisting cable installers and other in-home service workers to spy for the homeland?


Gravatar
Golden gophers?!!


Pan-fried Prairie Dogs!


GravatarBack in Febraury of this year, Howard inserted himself into U.S. domestic politics by spouting this Bill Kristol-like smear:

"If I was running al-Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008, and pray, as many times as possible, for a victory not only for [Barack] Obama, but also for the Democrats."


Enjoy your time in the wilderness, fuckface!


GravatarPhila, I highly recommend this site for some amazing pix of an abandoned island in Japan. It won't cure your sinus infection, though.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 1:29 pm | # [kill]​[hide comment]


Old news, but thanks!


GravatarThe Department of Labor also removed from its Web site roughly two dozen fact sheets on women's workplace issues such as women in management, earning differences between men and women, child care concerns, and minority women in the workplace. (via the National Council for Research on Women)

In February 2004, the appointed head of the Office of Special Counsel -- created to protect government employees' rights -- ordered removed from a government Web site information on the rights of gay men, lesbians and bisexuals in the public workplace. (via the National Council for Research on Women)

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.


GravatarPan-fried Prairie Dogs!

You better have a helluva sauce for those...


GravatarBut there are fears that they could lose the faith of a skeptical public by becoming the eyes of the government, looking for suspicious items such as building blueprints or bomb-making manuals or materials.
trifecta

Let me guess, they can also oversee the book burnings!

Damn! We should make nice with lawyers and kill all the science fiction writers. They are a source of ideas for wannabee fascist sociotards(tm)


Gravatar Old news, but thanks!

Damnit! As soon as I saw those pix, I thought 'this has Bouphonia written all over it'


Gravatarduh this is a terrible idea. terrible. terrible terrible. the lawsuits will be swift and strong.
euphronius

And suits will not be allowed thanks to a 5-4 SCOTUS decision, with Scalia writing for the majority.


GravatarGiven that the economy is going very well, and that the Iraq war, while unpopular, was not a central issue in the campaign, I think it’s reasonable to mark this down as the first national election in which climate change played a pivotal role. Howard, following Bush, refused to ratify Kyoto. This was highly unpopular, and served as a more general symbol of a government stuck in the past.

The other big losing issue for the government was the passage of a package of anti-union laws called Workchoices.

Oh frabjous day!


GravatarPan-fried Prairie Dogs!

You better have a helluva sauce for those...
Tralfaz



11 secret herbs and spices!


GravatarUnlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.

It's so comforting to think that I might need emergency medical treatment, and the people who're supposed to give it to me will be too busy scanning my bookshelves for a copy of The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism.


Gravatar11 secret herbs and spices!
Terry C - Democratic Bitch

No wonder they taste like chicken.


GravatarThe use of Firefighters and cable installers to search for terrorism is sounding like the start of East German secret police the Stasi, where they got people to spy on each other.

I think that in order to stop that we would need some very high level supporter of this program to be a victim of it.

"So I had a tiny fire and the firefighters thought that the gunpowder that I use for my shotguns and the timers that I use to remind me to take my heart medication were materials for a bomb. I was NOT making a bomb! I'm a hunter with a heart problem!" -Dick "Boom Boom" Cheney.


GravatarThe very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society.
Milton Arbogast | 11.24.07 - 1:37 pm

Well said... and good dectective work too.


GravatarPan-fried Prairie Dogs!

BACK off, Mister! Them's ourz!!@

[/black footed ferrets]


GravatarUnlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.



They're underpaid enough and these fuckwads want to put MORE responsibility on them?


GravatarIt's so comforting to think that I might need emergency medical treatment, and the people who're supposed to give it to me will be too busy scanning my bookshelves for a copy of The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint

Actually, if they see any books other than Harlequin Romances, they will be obligated to report you as a potential intellectual to the community standards board.


Gravatarthey will be obligated to report you as a potential intellectual to the community standards board.

Pol Pot smiles approvingly in his grave.


Gravatar"They're really doing technical inspections, and if perchance they find something like, you know, a bunch of RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) rounds in somebody's basement, I think it's a no-brainer," said Jack Tomarchio, a senior official in Homeland Security's intelligence division. "The police ought to know about that; the fire service ought to know about that; and potentially maybe somebody in the intelligence community should know about that."

Even before the federal program began, New York firefighters and inspectors had been training to recognize materials and behavior the government identifies as "signs of planning and support for terrorism."

Safer yet?


Gravatar11 secret herbs and spices!: salt salt salt saly pepper salt MSG disodium trisodium salt salt...

"What's that weird feeling in my gut man? I feel like something;s drowinbg in there!"

The Colonel, still giving people the shits long after death.


GravatarBut when war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous. When war is continuous there is no such thing as military necessity. Technical progress can cease and the most palpable facts can be denied or disregarded. As we have seen, researches that could be called scientific are still carried out for the purposes of war, but they are essentially a kind of daydreaming, and their failure to show results is not important. Efficiency, even military efficiency, is no longer needed. Nothing is efficient in Oceania except the Thought Police. Since each of the three super-states is unconquerable, each is in effect a separate universe within which almost any perversion of thought can be safely practised. Reality only exerts its pressure through the needs of everyday life -- the need to eat and drink, to get shelter and clothing, to avoid swallowing poison or stepping out of top-storey windows, and the like. Between life and death, and between physical pleasure and physical pain, there is still a distinction, but that is all. Cut off from contact with the outer world, and with the past, the citizen of Oceania is like a man in interstellar space, who has no way of knowing which direction is up and which is down. The rulers of such a state are absolute, as the Pharaohs or the Caesars could not be. They are obliged to prevent their followers from starving to death in numbers large enough to be inconvenient, and they are obliged to remain at the same low level of military technique as their rivals; but once that minimum is achieved, they can twist reality into whatever shape they choose.


GravatarPhila's neighbor told me that he secretly reads Jeff GOLDSTEIN's blog...


GravatarI misspeleed salt! rediculous!


GravatarActually, if they see any books other than Harlequin Romances, they will be obligated to report you as a potential intellectual to the community standards board.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office


Harlequin Romances might be considered "racy."

We must have community standards, ya know.


GravatarWhen going to private residences, for example, they are told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States; unusual chemicals or other materials that seem out of place; ammunition, firearms or weapons boxes; surveillance equipment; still and video cameras; night-vision goggles; maps, photos, blueprints; police manuals, training manuals, flight manuals; and little or no furniture other than a bed or mattress.

"If in the conduct of doing their jobs they come across evidence of a crime, of course they should report that to the police," said the ACLU's German. "But you don't want them being intelligence agents."

It's of particular concern for communities already under law enforcement scrutiny. "Do we want them to fear the fire department as well as the police?" German asked.

Apparently, yes.


GravatarThe rulers of such a state are absolute, as the Pharaohs or the Caesars could not be. They are obliged to prevent their followers from starving to death in numbers large enough to be inconvenient, and they are obliged to remain at the same low level of military technique as their rivals; but once that minimum is achieved, they can twist reality into whatever shape they choose.
Richard


On paper, maybe. Reality is a wee bit more complex than that.


GravatarOn a just-pulling-generalizations-out-of-my-ass level, I'm not sure that your average fireman would welcome the idea of adding an Eyes and Ears of Big Brother role to their already demanding duties.

As in any group, there are always a few who will get a cheap thrill from the prospect of playing Hall Monitor. But I'd be surprised if fireman didn't retain the right to limit their interest to knocking down the damn fire and clearing the call (or whatever they call finishing the job) without getting themselves hurt or fried in the process.

I can just imagine some rookie wannabe detective dropping a hose and whipping out a cellphone camera to photograph suspicious papers in a burning house. Once.

It's not a fun perk, like being able to cut loose with an axe or pike, annihilating doors and windows first and asking questions later.


Gravatarand good dectective work too.

Right up until I got got.

Have you seen Gus Van Sant's remake of "Psycho"?


GravatarUnlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.



They're underpaid enough and these fuckwads want to put MORE responsibility on them?
Terry C - Democratic Bitch | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 1:42 pm |


I'm sure the EMT's that I know from work are going to spend their precious time looking for potential terrorist activity here in Ohio, while they're trying to save someone's life.


GravatarYes, better moderators, please!


http://www.thenation.com/docprin...1210& s=alterman


GravatarI own Goldstein's book...

http://www.amazon.com/Classical-...n/dp/ 0201657023


GravatarI think that Zapette's doubled her sales in two hours today than from all of yesterday!

iPod Touch, here I come!!


GravatarI misspeleed salt! rediculous!
Nuts!
______________________________________

Unpossible!


Gravatar"a potential intellectual"




I never thought I would live to see the day that being an "intellectual" would be an imprisonable offense in America.


Gravatar I own Goldstein's book...

igBay otherBray isay atchingWay


GravatarStop making FDR cry.


GravatarOr is that a gang tat on FDR?


GravatarOn paper, maybe. Reality is a wee bit more complex than that.
Rmj


One of the secrets of law enforcement is that you should only pass laws that the overwhelming majority will obey. It's precisely because so many ignored the 55/hour law that it was rescinded. Same with a lot of marajuana laws. At a certain point there just weren't enough law enforcement types to enforce, so for the most part, they were ignored by the populace and the police.


GravatarIn honor of The Preserved Head of John Howard.

Because that's all that's left after his ass was handed to him.


GravatarThat's a google map pin-point in FDR's eye.


Gravatar"expressing hate or discontent with the United States"




Fuck these mouthbreathing assholes.


GravatarI never thought I would live to see the day that being an "intellectual" would be an imprisonable offense in America.
Terry C - Democratic Bitch


Well, intellectuals have been unpopular for quite some time in this country. Because being "cool" is more important, dontchaknow, and "cool" is defined almost exclusively by how you look, what you wear, what you drive, what you own, and where you live.


GravatarBack in Febraury of this year, Howard inserted himself into U.S. domestic politics by spouting this Bill Kristol-like smear:

"If I was running al-Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008, and pray, as many times as possible, for a victory not only for [Barack] Obama, but also for the Democrats."


I think I speak for everyone here when I say I can't wait for your arrival in Hell and the buggering by Satan that will then ensue.

Jeebus, what an idiot.


GravatarBecause being "cool" is more important, dontchaknow, and "cool" is defined almost exclusively by how you look, what you wear, what you drive, what you own, and where you live.

And who you look down on, think you're better than.


GravatarThe Preserved Head of John Howard
________________________________________

I'm so glad "Futurama" is back in production, because I'm sure they could find a part for him.


GravatarOne of the secrets of law enforcement is that you should only pass laws that the overwhelming majority will obey.

That's a very American view of things.

Here in Canada, you pass a law, people mostly obey, not matter what they think about it. For example, the smoking ban for bars was met with universal disdain from tavern smokers, and universal compliance.


GravatarI'm so glad "Futurama" is back in production, because I'm sure they could find a part for him.

IT IS???

Be still, my beating heart!


GravatarOne of the secrets of law enforcement is that you should only pass laws that the overwhelming majority will obey.

That's a very American view of things.

It works well with a generalized paranoid fantasy of being surveiled by the cold eyes of the law. Not always paranoid, of course.


GravatarGood afternoon, Moonbats! Glad to see Mr. Howard being shown the door down under. Hopefully, it presage what will happen here in a year -- Republicans leaving DC in droves.


GravatarThe most "dangerous" person in America today is one who thinks for him/herself.


Gravatar"Is that a gooey duck in your pocket or are you just glad sashimi?" - Mike Rowe
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GravatarWhat is so mind-numbingly stupid about these make-everyone-a-snitch ideas is do they really think terrorist cells sit around their secret hideaway apartments with giant "Death to the Great Satan (aka the USA)" banners hanging on their walls? WTF?


Gravatar"Death to the Great Satan (aka the USA)" banners

Trademark Dave is making a CafePress version as we speak.


GravatarHere's another John Howard special from New Horizons in Violence.


GravatarThe most "dangerous" person in America today is one who thinks for him/herself.
Cookie Guggleman


Yep - and I plan to continue being "dangerous"


GravatarFor example, the smoking ban for bars was met with universal disdain from tavern smokers, and universal compliance.
Moe Szyslak


Pretty much the same here. Some grousing, one or two hold outs, but for the most part it went through with very little trouble. At least in NYC where I lived.

(I worked in law enforecement)


GravatarI really doubt there are any terrorists cells in the US today.


Gravatar"Well, intellectuals have been unpopular for quite some time in this country."


Oh, I know. But this is the first I've heard of people being put in jail for it.


GravatarThat's a very American view of things. Here in Canada...

Pfft - it's been well-established you're not a *real* Canadian.


GravatarWhen the hell is my new gravatar going to show up?


GravatarI really doubt there are any terrorists cells in the US today.

cough**whitehouse**cough


GravatarWhat the hell happened to my old one?


Gravatar"Well, intellectuals have been unpopular for quite some time in this country."

I've found that people are none too fond of smartasses either. Smarts at either end are discouraged, really.


GravatarPfft - it's been well-established you're not a *real* Canadian.

Oh, I agree. I'm an outsider, pretty much everywhere. So they have to be nice to me.


Gravatar"But this is the first I've heard of people being put in jail for it."

where's that link, please? I looked for it but failed to find it.


GravatarAnd who you look down on, think you're better than.




A real right wing trait.


Gravatarwith out a gravatar I'm nothing!

JeffCO is Quisp! I can't even be Quake!
(Hmm. Quake in SF. How appropriate!)


Gravatar"But this is the first I've heard of people being put in jail for it."

where's that link, please? I looked for it but failed to find it.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher



Whoops -

people being in danger of being put in jail for it


GravatarI really doubt there are any terrorists cells in the US today.

cough**whitehouse**cough
Zap Rowsdower


Nah, they're more of an organized crime syndicate.


Gravatar"JeffCO is Quisp! I can't even be Quake!|"

bout 2 years ago I found Quisp for sale at a Sam's Club. tasted nothing like i remember


GravatarWhat the hell happened to my old one? spocko

Try deleting your haloscan cookie and then retyping your email address - maybe there's something funky afoot.


GravatarThe Aussie Poodle has been disposed of.

Also, Richard Perle needs to be reminded, repeatedly, that people of his loathesome ilk were hanged in 1946 for the last time a major power engaged in a war of aggression.


GravatarA real right wing trait.

Hardly.


GravatarI gave up on my gravatar.


Gravatar"people being in danger of being put in jail for it"

still - where'd you get this? scrolling back, well I missed it.


Gravatarbout 2 years ago I found Quisp for sale at a Sam's Club. tasted nothing like i remember -Uncle Blodge

Not sure if they still are, but you could buy it online a while back. There are also like 3 stores in the country that carry it. Fortunately, one was out here. I actually think the Quaker Oats bagged fake Quisp tastes more like I remember.


GravatarI finally got around to cutting back the grapevine and re-inforcing the arbor. Is there anything else I need to do today?


Gravatar"Nah, they're more of an organized crime syndicate."

Slo-mo train wreck.


GravatarAnd whom you look down on, think you're better than.


Damn, now I'm no better!


GravatarWho could forget the greatest cereal of all time?

King Vitaman


Gravatar
What the hell happened to my old one?


It's been confiscated by the thought police.


Gravatar"Nah, they're more of an organized crime syndicate."

Slo-mo train wreck.
EkCenTriK


I was never much interested in impeachment for Shrub - but always have felt that something useful could be done with the RICO statutes.


GravatarI finally got around to cutting back the grapevine and re-inforcing the arbor. Is there anything else I need to do today? GWPDA

Wine incessantly?


GravatarCaptain Crunch rules my world.


GravatarMy favorite cereal was raisin squares. They were basically shredded wheat with a raisin in the middle.

I think they stopped making em.


GravatarHas anyone seen De Palma's "Redacted"?


GravatarI finally got around to cutting back the grapevine and re-inforcing the arbor. Is there anything else I need to do today?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:11 pm | #


Alphabetize your socks?


GravatarKing Vitaman

Free mask on back!


GravatarCaptain Crunch rules my world.

When Quisp went away, I moved on to Crunchberries. I guess it really was a gateway cereal.


GravatarI think they stopped making em.
trifecta | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:14 pm |

Look for Wheetabix at Trader Joes


GravatarAnd who you look down on, think you're better than.


A real right wing trait.
Terry C - Democratic Bitch


And there's nobody more sensitive to the thought that someone is looking down on them than the wingies. Mostly what all their talk of "elites" is about.


GravatarCaptain Crunch cuts up the inside of your mouth.


GravatarOne of the most annoying phenomena in our pathological culture (composed mostly of annoying phenomena) is how fake labels stick and eventually are accepted, even by people who see the fakery.

Like the way food manufacturers label things "chocolate-flavored" or "chocolatey" or "choco-" or chocolatoidal or somesuch, as code that there's little or no real fuck chocolate in it. (Whoops, channeling Lewis Black there.)

These products fly off the shelf whether the shopper is just grabbing it on the basis of the large, colorful printing, or even stops to read that nutritional panel & ingredients. Because for all practical purposes it's good enough for shoppin' work-- available, and maybe even on sale.

So too with so-called "debates", which are hideous glommed-up beauty pageants needed to fill the intolerably overextended campaign marathon. Anyone who's not a dope knows this, but we end up calling them "debates" anyway because they're the closest simulation available.

The moderators are ludicrously overrated infotainwhores who exist to offer a dog's breakfast of topics ranging from pompous pieties, bromides, and snark-- all subsumed into the moderator's Prime Directive: let's you and him (or better yet, her) fight!


GravatarI finally got around to cutting back the grapevine and re-inforcing the arbor. Is there anything else I need to do today?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:11 pm |


I need to go through my storage boxes upstairs and remove the old clothes that I'm really, never ever, going to wear again.

You could help me with that.


GravatarShouldn't it be "upon whom you look down"?


Gravataralways have felt that something useful could be done with the RICO statutes.

Turns out, Nixon was right. if the president does it, that means it's legal. At least under the Roberts' Supreme Court.


Gravatar59 Visitors online.

"If you are in marketing, kill yourself."
-Bill Hicks


GravatarBut I'd be surprised if fireman didn't retain the right to limit their interest to knocking down the damn fire and clearing the call (or whatever they call finishing the job) without getting themselves hurt or fried in the process.


Most Fire Departments have some kind of investigators, who concern themselves with things involving fire. Otherwise, ur standard issue firefighter? They live to carry out the Phx FD Mission Statement: "Put the Wet Stuff on the Red Stuff." Also, use an axe and a pike pole to pull down and break as much stuff as is possible, 'cause IT"S FUN!


GravatarAnd there's nobody more sensitive to the thought that someone is looking down on them than the wingies. Mostly what all their talk of "elites" is about.
Elmer, PHD


Could there possibly be any other way to look at the Doughy Pantload but down?


GravatarThe moderators are ludicrously overrated infotainwhores who exist to offer a dog's breakfast of topics ranging from pompous pieties, bromides, and snark-- all subsumed into the moderator's Prime Directive: let's you and him (or better yet, her) fight!

All aimed ultimately at impressing other moderators and the rest of the media class.


GravatarFire fighters and cable guys????
something smells like pallets of cash here.


Gravatarwhom amongst us has not looked down upon the little people?


Gravatar"Part of a nutritious breakfast" means, "if you want good nutrition, you should eat a bunch of healthy stuff along with this piece of shit sugary thing we're selling you."


GravatarLike the way food manufacturers label things "chocolate-flavored" or "chocolatey" or "choco-" or chocolatoidal or somesuch, as code that there's little or no real fuck chocolate in it. (Whoops, channeling Lewis Black there.)

Don't you dare even suggest that Count Chocula wasn't a real Count!


Gravatarwhom amongst us has not looked down upon the little people?
spocko | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:19 pm | #

I wear shorts in the shower so as to not look down on the unemployed.


GravatarHere is a cool program. Vector Magic. It will turn any photo of gif image into a vector image. It's amazing.

If my gravatar ever worked you could see my new gravatar image.
http://vectormagic.stanford.edu/...EDz5I0DA9zw& p=g


Gravatarwhom amongst us has not looked down upon the little people? spocko

Lissen, youse.


GravatarI need to go through my storage boxes upstairs and remove the old clothes that I'm really, never ever, going to wear again.

You could help me with that.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins


Make sure you finish and get them donated for the tax credit before the end of the year, wontcha?
.


Gravatar"Part of a nutritious breakfast" means, "if you want good nutrition, you should eat a bunch of healthy stuff along with this piece of shit sugary thing we're selling you."

How about just oatmeal and a banana?


Gravatarwhom amongst us has not looked down upon the little people?
spocko | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:19 pm | #


Steve Simels is a young man I've always looked up to.


Gravataralways have felt that something useful could be done with the RICO statutes.

Turns out, Nixon was right. if the president does it, that means it's legal. At least under the Roberts' Supreme Court.
Hecate

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is this presaging something (what we all expect) or are you referring to a judgement made?


Gravatarwhom amongst us has not looked down upon the little people?

I know a little German...he's right over there!

/Top Secret


Gravatar"chocolatoidal"

Oh, that sounds appealing.


Ancient Aztec or Mayan God of Chocolate sounding.


Gravatar
Captain Crunch cuts up the inside of your mouth.


It's a tough guy's cereal for those who have the philosophy "that which does not kill you makes you stronger".


GravatarCaptain Crunch rules my world.

Back in my day Sugar Pops and Trix were about as far out as cereal had got.
Ice cream on Wheaties was freakin' avant garde...


Gravatar"Don't you dare even suggest that Count Chocula wasn't a real Count!"

He got his papers from Zaza and her Husband.


GravatarIce cream on Wheaties was freakin' avant garde...
Elmer, PHD | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:21 pm | #

I've never heard of that. Expound.


GravatarLike the way food manufacturers label things "chocolate-flavored" or "chocolatey" or "choco-" or chocolatoidal or somesuch, as code that there's little or no real fuck chocolate in it. (Whoops, channeling Lewis Black there.)

OTOH, there's the removal of the word "sugar" from breakfast cerials. No more Sugar Frosted Flakes. They're just Frosted Flakes now. No more Super Sugar Crisp.

All to cater to a new generation of moms who are averse to the word "sugar".


GravatarI do not care for loud, crunching sounds at breakfast or other times. There's far, far too much expensive bridgework at risk.


GravatarAbout an hour south of the Twin Cities, in the town of Northfield, the Malt-O-Meal still cranks out brown goop doubling as chocolate oatmeal.


GravatarI wear shorts in the shower so as to not look down on the unemployed.
Gilly Gonzylon | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:20 pm | #


Hah!


Gravatars this presaging something (what we all expect) or are you referring to a judgement made?

Nancy,

The former. I just don't see this SCOTUS doing anything to the boyking; they were picked for their adherence to the "unitary executive" bullshit. Maybe the court at the Hague, though . . . .


Gravatar"Sugar Pops "

Never understood the attraction. It seemed to have no flavor per my palate.


GravatarMy favorite cereal name was Sugar Coated Crunch Bombs. It was Calvin's favorite.


Gravatar"Otherwise, ur standard issue firefighter? They live to carry out the Phx FD Mission Statement: "Put the Wet Stuff on the Red Stuff." Also, use an axe and a pike pole to pull down and break as much stuff as is possible, 'cause IT"S FUN!"

well, you are encouraged to remember what you saw, but not go looking for stuff. I once helped confirm an arson by doing this.

and breaking windows is fun. Really.


GravatarI like Cocoa Pebbles because I could harvest the chocolate milk.


GravatarHey spocko, I've been listening to that Curtis Sliwa fellow of late. You got anything on him?


GravatarI loved the singing voice of Sugar Bear
'Can't get enough of that Super Sugar Crisp."


Gravatar"I wear shorts in the shower so as to not look down on the unemployed."

slacker. you need to start your own business like the rest of us!


GravatarI do not care for loud, crunching sounds at breakfast or other times.

Melted peanut butter and marshmallow creme sandwiches!


GravatarHey spocko, I've been listening to that Curtis Sliwa fellow of late. You got anything on him?
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:24 pm | #


His ex-wife was smokin' hot.

That's all I've got other than he's an annoying reactionary idiot...


Gravatar"I loved the singing voice of Sugar Bear"

Always thought he was Dean MArtin.


GravatarThere's about 20 different kinds of sugar they distill and such from corn. So they can stick some "glucose" or whatever in the ingredients so they don't have to call it "sugar."


GravatarOf course, as an adult I start each day with three bowls of chocolate-frosted sugar bombs.


GravatarGood snack recipe: put a bunch of bite size shredded wheat on a cookie sheet. Pour a bunch of melted butted over them, then shake some garlic salt on them, and some parmesan cheese. Roast in oven for 15 minutes. Yum.


GravatarI guess this is as good a time as any to laugh at our Canadian cousins for having Milk in a Bag.


Gravatarthat Curtis Sliwa fellow

He is a rightwing asshole friend of Giuliani.


GravatarIncidentally, from the world o'science comes the pretty strong implication that high fructose corn syrup (well artificial fructose generally) is specifically inflammatory to the liver and pancreas and very much the primary suspect in the recent upsurge in very early onset Type 2 diabetes. Unlike every other form of sweetener, including plain or fancy sugar, it is only metabolised by the liver and so poorly that there is this inflammatory side effect which quite rapidly begins the chain reaction of insulin resistance to diabetes with the burnout of beta cellas.


Gravatarhe's an annoying reactionary idiot...

This has been established, yes.


Gravatar"I loved the singing voice of Sugar Bear"

Always thought he was Dean MArtin.


Funny, I always thought it was supposed to be Bing Crosby.


GravatarOf course, as an adult I start each day with three bowls of chocolate-frosted sugar bombs.

And me, three cups of coffee and a cigarette.

Breakfast of losers!


Gravatar"Milk in a Bag."

Clark Griswold up to his old tricks?


GravatarI was never much interested in impeachment for Shrub - but always have felt that something useful could be done with the RICO statutes.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar


For my part, I'd like to see the entire gang go the way of Rudolf Hess, and spend the next sixty years in the likes of Spandau Prison, courtesy of the Hague.

pour décourager les autres who will undoubtedly follow the wonderful example of this junta, absolved from all legal responsibility in this here US of A.


GravatarEarly 70's Super Sugar Crisp Cereal Commercial
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qz17ksBZ8_g


Gravatar"three cups of coffee and a cigarette."

Oh man that was the cigarette I used to miss.

Not the beer smoke, or the after sex smoke. the morning coffee smoke. (sigh)


Gravatar"Funny, I always thought it was supposed to be Bing Crosby."


Hmm, now I have to think about that. I see your point.

I didn't eat the damn things, so I didn't dwell too much on it.


GravatarI would send spocko a bowl of chocolatey sugary residual milk, but he got the name wrong.


Gravatarthat Curtis Sliwa fellow

He is a rightwing asshole friend of Giuliani.


All you need to know about the shitstain.


GravatarMy favorite cereal name was Sugar Coated Crunch Bombs. It was Calvin's favorite.

Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, IIRC.


GravatarEarly 70's Super Sugar Crisp Cereal Commercial

Wow...the Sugar Bear was a sous!


GravatarEarly 70's Super Sugar Crisp Cereal Commercial
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qz17ksBZ8_g
Richard | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:28 pm | #

The bad guy looks the Ayatollah Khomeni!


Gravatar"Funny, I always thought it was supposed to be Bing Crosby."


Hmm, now I have to think about that. I see your point."

Close but I'll go with dean.


GravatarFor my part, I'd like to see the entire gang go the way of Rudolf Hess, and spend the next sixty years in the likes of Spandau Prison, courtesy of the Hague.

I could live with this, but I'd enjoy some of them going the Julius Streicher route.


GravatarI guess this is as good a time as any to laugh at our Canadian cousins for having Milk in a Bag.

[Insert humorous reference to women's breasts here]


GravatarCould there possibly be any other way to look at the Doughy Pantload but down?
Just Another Zero


Look away. It's like a three legged dog.


GravatarGWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
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yah
and high fructose corn syrup is a huge part of the 'very innocent' soda biz. Isn't it also weirdly supposed to make you want to eat more?


Gravatar"Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, IIRC."

I believe you do rc.

they made em with marshmallows but calvin's mom drew the line at that.


GravatarAnd me, three cups of coffee and a cigarette.

There is an anti-smoking ad that runs in the New York City area that shows a doctor prepping a body for amputation of part of a leg. The doctor says that gangrene has set in, and a close-up is shown of the foot. The doctor says something like, I want you to think about this every time you even look at your pack of cigarettes. Gah! It's very disturbing.


Gravatarcalvin and hobbes was so good it makes me cry.


GravatarEarly 70's Super Sugar Crisp Cereal Commercial

Jay Ward style animation!


GravatarCanuck Hottie explains Milk in a Bag

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7_2YvSKi1wY


GravatarWatterson was smart to quit when he was ahead.


Gravatarand high fructose corn syrup is a huge part of the 'very innocent' soda biz

New meaning for the term 'can of corn'.


Gravatarguess i'd better feed the guys breakfast. 1 hr until ucla most likely creams the ducks.


GravatarWatterson was smart to quit when he was ahead.

Watterson of the unity08 campaign?


GravatarWatterson was smart to quit when he was ahead.

Sam? Unity08??


Gravatarand high fructose corn syrup is a huge part of the 'very innocent' soda biz. Isn't it also weirdly supposed to make you want to eat more?
Nancy Willing


It's in just about every processed food there is now. If you drink soda, you really are better off finding good old sugared Co-cola or Dr. Pepper.

Me, I knew there was a problem when I learnt that effectively the food industry was pouring Karo syrup on everthing they made. Good for the corn producers I suppose.
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GravatarI could live with this, but I'd enjoy some of them going the Julius Streicher route.
Apprentice to Darth Holden


I am opposed to the death penalty, except for genocide. I don't think Bush is guilty of that, though others may disagree.


Gravatarcalvin and hobbes was so good it makes me cry.
euphronius | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:31 pm | #

Goofus and Gallant created my value system.


Gravatarguess i'd better feed the guys breakfast. 1 hr until ucla most likely creams the ducks

Alas, given the performance against the Wildcats, this is probably the best way to face today's game.


GravatarI need to go through my storage boxes upstairs and remove the old clothes that I'm really, never ever, going to wear again.

You could help me with that.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins

Make sure you finish and get them donated for the tax credit before the end of the year, wontcha?
.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:20 pm


I don't get a receipt, I just drop it off to the nice lady at Goodwill.

Besides, some of it actually came from Goodwill, I'm just recycling it.


GravatarCalvin.


GravatarSee, and I think nothing is more important than impeaching Dick and/or w. I'll settle for Dick. If his actions are allowed to stand it will set a precedent the next time (goddess forbid) a fascist gets into the WH.


Gravatar*Bill* Watterson, creator of Calvin & Hobbes.


GravatarI am opposed to the death penalty, except for genocide. I don't think Bush is guilty of that, though others may disagree.

The case could be made that they had genocide in their hearts. Certainly that's true of some of their more disturbed followers.


GravatarNew meaning for the term 'can of corn'.

Plate o' shrimp.


Gravatar"Canuck Hottie explains Milk in a Bag"

She is kinda cute and heck, she introduced the concept of chocolate milk in a bag. So Canadians can't be all bad the way everyone says they are.


GravatarThe "milk in a bag" thing must be from Uppity Canada. I've never seen it.


GravatarGoofus and Gallant created my value system.
Gilly Gonzylon | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:34 pm | #

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i think goofus and gallant was the firs ttime ive ever laughed cynically. i could have been 8 or 9.


GravatarThey must have used this commercial for years. I remember seeing it a billion times as a kid...

Sugar Crisp
http://youtube.com/watch? v=gZuQh...feature=related


GravatarI'll settle for Dick.

With some of us, you wouldn't have to settle.


Gravatar"If his actions are allowed to stand it will set a precedent the next time (goddess forbid) a fascist gets into the WH."

Nixon got run out of office and it was what - 6 years till Reagan got there and acted like that again?


GravatarAhem.
"beta cells."

simels. regrets.
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Gravatarer there is genocide in Iraq right now. it is the US policy. bush is guilty of genocide clearly, at least imho.


GravatarFor Australians, the drought, called “the first climate change-driven disaster to strike a developed nation” was enough to change their views on global warming dramatically. Of course, Katrina could have been the first — but we have no way of knowing for certain if climate changed caused that hurricane to become so deadly. Let’s hope we don’t need to suffer anything as brutal as what Australia is going through before we commit to serious action.

Australian denier bites the dust — literally


Gravatarall right. gotta type some brilliance out for a grade. see you laters.


GravatarIf his actions are allowed to stand it will set a precedent the next time (goddess forbid) a fascist gets into the WH.
ql vaginal American


That's precisely what worries me. I do not think impeachment is nearly enough of a deterrent, but at present we have no deterrent. So nothing is likely to discourage the next illegitimate, murderous and entirely corrupt son of a bitch to occupy the office.


Gravatar
And there's nobody more sensitive to the thought that someone is looking down on them than the wingies. Mostly what all their talk of "elites" is about.
Elmer, PHD | Homepage


'Cause they know, on some level, that they are craptacular.


GravatarGoofus and Gallant created my value system.
Gilly Gonzylon
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couldn't get enough of them in the pediatricians waiting room myself


GravatarThe jellyfish covered an area of up to 10 square miles and a depth of 35 feet.

...Managing director John Russell said he had never seen anything like this in 30 years in the business. "The sea was red with these jellyfish and there was nothing we could do about, it, absolutely nothing," he said.


Gravatar"With some of us, you wouldn't have to settle."

My grandmother would have said "couldn't you have restrained yourself?"


GravatarI am opposed to the death penalty, except for genocide. I don't think Bush is guilty of that, though others may disagree.
David Derbes

I have trying NOT to write here since I actually am WRITING something else for a change but let me chime in here. I am opposed to the death penalty as well. I would much prefer that Bush and his minions suddenly REALIZE the pain and suffering their policies have caused and then HAVE to endure that same suffering and pain. But since that is never gonna happen: let's just string the son of a bitch up by his thumbs in the public square.


GravatarNixon got run out of office and it was what - 6 years till Reagan got there and acted like that again?

Who was the politician from the Watergate era who said that the only lasting lesson from Nixon's administration is "don't get caught"?


Gravatarer there is genocide in Iraq right now. it is the US policy. bush is guilty of genocide clearly, at least imho.

He's responsible for the deaths of probably a million. But it was not undertaken, in my opinion, solely to kill Iraqis. Hey, if they'd only have handed over the oil, wouldn't nobody have been killed, is my guess.

These clowns didn't set out to kill all those people. They just wanted what they wanted. If a million die for Halliburton, well, that's the way the cookie bounces.


GravatarI don't get a receipt, I just drop it off to the nice lady at Goodwill.

Besides, some of it actually came from Goodwill, I'm just recycling it.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins


That's all any of us do. Get the receipt. Take the deduction.


Gravatar"The jellyfish covered an area of up to 10 square miles and a depth of 35 feet. "

I was reading about the huge blooms of Jellyfish in northern waters. A bit chilling.


GravatarApropos of this post, here's a vid with Mrs Elizabeth "High Elf Gets Me All Hot" Kucinich talking smart and sexy. Oh, and her husband and some other Dems are in it.


GravatarNixon got run out of office and it was what - 6 years till Reagan got there and acted like that again?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 11.24.07 - 2:37 pm | #


Carter wanted to let bygones be bygones. So did Clinton - who elected not to pursue Iran-Contra investigations that Reagan/Bush had stonewalled. Great call, though. The Republicans were so impressed by this restraint that they became ashamed of their partisan frenzy and lawbreaking and never did anything untoward again.


GravatarI heard Curtis Sliwa a couple of times but I didn't record him. He sounded like a real jerk.

The people at K SF O have some 2nd tier hosts that they bring in when one of their regulars is busy. One is a Rabbie
Rabbi Daniel Lapin who said
"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."


GravatarNow we are the last industrialized nation with a leader who refuses to take any serious action — hopefully that dubious distinction will be corrected in next year’s presidential election.
Milton
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I object to China's being still considered a 'developing' nation


GravatarI have trying NOT to write here since I actually am WRITING something else...
DWD


Me, too; but the recommendations are infinite and get hard to write after the first fifteen...


GravatarWith some of us, you wouldn't have to settle.
JeffCO




Gravatarcouldn't get enough of them in the pediatricians waiting room myself
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:39 pm | #

Ironically, as the two got older, Goofus became more popular with the ladies.


GravatarCarter wanted to let bygones be bygones. So did Clinton

So did Gore.


GravatarMy grandmother would have said "couldn't you have restrained yourself?"

If I could restrain myself, I'd never leave the house!


GravatarChina signed the Kyoto accord. As did India. With Australia signing on, the US is the sole hold-out.


GravatarCarter wanted to let bygones be bygones. So did Clinton

So did Gore.


So there are two groups of people:

Those who want to let bygones be bygones.

And those who want vengeance and revenge.


Gravatar"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

Bone ignorant.


GravatarSo there are two groups of people:

Those who want to let bygones be bygones.

And those who want vengeance and revenge.
Darryl Pearce


On my side that is generally modified to read, "Those who want to let bygones be bygones" and

The Irish.
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Gravatarthose who want vengeance and revenge.

er, how 'bout simple accountability and justice?


Gravatar"Carter wanted to let bygones be bygones. So did Clinton

So did Gore."

So do most democratic leaders. Until that changes I don't think we'll see any changes in repug behavior.

What might make for a long standing change is tearing down the parties and starting new.


GravatarThe jellyfish covered an area of up to 10 square miles and a depth of 35 feet.

[Something about needing more legrume]


GravatarSo there are two groups of people:

Those who want to let bygones be bygones.

And those who want vengeance and revenge.
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:43 pm | #


Not the only options. I don't want revenge on people who loot the treasury, I just want the money back and to have them in jail.


GravatarI object to China's being still considered a 'developing' nation

Sometimes China is categorized as a NIC.


Gravatarthose who want vengeance and revenge.


I think there was a genuine feeling that it would be best for the country and speed partisan healing if we just swept it under the table. I'm hearing some of the same crap now and it's driving me nuts.


Gravatarer, how 'bout simple accountability and justice?
Moe Szyslak



Q. What's Dubya's favorite "wine"?




.
.
.
A: ...but that's too nuanced.


GravatarCalvin.
JeffCO | 11.24.07 - 2:35 pm

I sit corrected. Thank you.


GravatarCarter wanted to let bygones be bygones. So did Clinton - who elected not to pursue Iran-Contra investigations that Reagan/Bush had stonewalled.

Carter was undercut by the Democratic party. Clinton was undercut by some Dems and by the entire GOP. Kinda hard to pursue jackshit when you're a decade late and your own party resents you.


GravatarWhat might make for a long standing change is tearing down the parties and starting new.

I'm for that, but it'll work only if we simultaneously tear down the media and start anew.


GravatarThose who want to let bygones be bygones.

And those who want vengeance and revenge.


No room for justice and deterence in the mix, is there?


Gravatar"I think there was a genuine feeling that it would be best for the country and speed partisan healing if we just swept it under the table."

Partisan. right - to the righties that means do it my way.


GravatarMost useful course I took in law school? Remedies

Makes you stop and ask, What relief am I after and what relief is available and are the two compatible.

Sort of like this conversation


GravatarIronically, as the two got older, Goofus became more popular with the ladies.
Gilly Gonzylon
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most definately


GravatarSo nothing is likely to discourage the next illegitimate, murderous and entirely corrupt son of a bitch to occupy the office.
David Derbes | 11.24.07 - 2:38 pm | #


No, the solution is obvious.

We MUST elect a DLC president.


GravatarSo there are two groups of people:

Those who want to let bygones be bygones.

And those who want vengeance and revenge.
Darryl Pearce


Well, far be it from me to get in the way of a good vengeance. Me, I want justice. I want it not to happen again. No more f*ing wars for oil.

The local NPR affiliate, WBEZ, has a nifty global affairs program on at noon weekdays, "World View". They broadcast an hour of Seymour Hersh's speech to Amnesty in Dublin yesterday. You really ought to search it out. It was incredible. Told a story of two returnees from Viet Nam and from Iraq, very similar. Said Hersh, we are going to be paying dearly for a very long time for what we have done in Iraq. Chilling.


GravatarWe MUST elect a DLC president.
steve simels


Now why didn't I think of that...


GravatarWe MUST elect a DLC president.

It's Saturday, after all.


GravatarNo room for justice and deterence in the mix, is there?
Apprentice to Darth Holden


There are times when the middle-of-the-road becomes the razor's edge.

...or something.

I learned a long time ago that when there's fighting going on, everybody on both sides hate the moderates who decide to leave the area of conflict.


Gravatar"So nothing is likely to discourage the next illegitimate, murderous and entirely corrupt son of a bitch to occupy the office."

Not if they are elected by the current republican party, no.

Best hope is to keep them out. if they get in try to slow them down. they're warped on arrival.


GravatarCarter was undercut by the Democratic party. Clinton was undercut by some Dems and by the entire GOP. Kinda hard to pursue jackshit when you're a decade late and your own party resents you.
JeffCO
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someone on C-SPAN defended Peolsi with "Hoyer has had his knife in her back since the start"


Gravatar"Hoyer has had his knife in her back since the start"

What makes Hoyer so singularly powerful?


GravatarI'm hearing some of the same crap now and it's driving me nuts.
ql vaginal American | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:47 pm | #


Tell me about it.

Frankly, what good will a Dem sweep in 08 be if they're unwilling to clean out the Augean stables?


GravatarSilwa was that idiot who in the 80's put a beret on his head (totally copying Simels btw), and started the Guardian Angels.

Think Michigan Militia meets guys not bright enough to be in the mob set in NYC.

He and that hot wife of his would parade around NY for about 15 minutes "fighting crime", then they would do 3 hours of radio and television discussing their adventures.


GravatarMilton, that would be my question. She did have to stand down when she wanted Murtha in that spot. If DLC Steny worked hard against her in caucus, how would we know?


GravatarBesides, some of it actually came from Goodwill, I'm just recycling it.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins

That's all any of us do. Get the receipt. Take the deduction.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:41 pm


Can this be done on a 1040EZ form?


GravatarWe MUST elect a DLC president.
steve simels


We MUST elect the Democratic nominee; and if she turns out to be a DLC president, it will still be light years better than the incompetent, illegitimate, murderous, and entirely corrupt son of a bitch we now have.


Gravatar"A bold spirit with a lust for life and amazing energy, Curtis Sliwa is a New Yorker in the truest and best sense of the word."

WTF is that supposed to mean?


Gravatarsomeone on C-SPAN defended Peolsi with "Hoyer has had his knife in her back since the start"

There is no defense for Pelosi, but I'm old enough to remember Carter getting screwed by the Dems who resented him as an outsider and something of a scold. The Democratic Congress in the late 70s was not pleased with someone trying to get them to act differently. Partly as a result of their actions, we got the Reagan devolution, and Carter will be remembered as History's Greatest Monster.


GravatarDennis Kucinich's wife is smart, and pretty. I think we should elect Dennis so we can see more of her. (Plus Dennis is pretty great on the issues.)


Gravatar"Frankly, what good will a Dem sweep in 08 be if they're unwilling to clean out the Augean stables?"

bout as good as the sweep of 06 was.

it's way better than a loss, but not headed towards the overhaul the system needs.


GravatarFrankly, what good will a Dem sweep in 08 be if they're unwilling to clean out the Augean stables?
steve simels
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If we get supermajority we sure as fuck can expect them to march to the liberal beat. They'd not have the excuses they are trotting out now.


GravatarIf we get 59 seats or less in the Senate, we will surely hear the you need 60 votes to do anything in the Senate crap.

Color me cynical.


Gravatar"They'd not have the excuses they are trotting out now."

you're assuming Dems = Liberal. I don't think that is true. Moderate maybe, not screaming fucking crazy righist xian fundie nutjob maybe, but liberal? I think not.


GravatarSilwa was that idiot who in the 80's put a beret on his head (totally copying Simels btw), and started the Guardian Angels.
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I thought that name rang a gong in my head.


Gravataranybody been following the American Taliban story?

http://www.motherjones.com/news/...- weinstein.html


Gravatar"Color me cynical."

would that be a kind of light purple?


GravatarI watched that Sugar Crisp commercial.

So a bear on a motorcycle steals food from an elderly white woman.

Remember Trix? A rabbit tries to steal food from kids.

Lucky Charms. Kids try and steal food from a leprechaun.

What's up with all this food stealing?


Gravatarby color me cynical I mean colour me cynical for my Canadian friends.


GravatarIt seems probable to me that even with a Democratic supermajority, it's gonna be a long way from what a lot of us here would like to see in the government.

On the other hand, if the country shifts left, which is my guess it's gonna do in the next year or four, we may see genuine reform.

I say that the GOP will come to hate Bush as much as us DFH's do, because he is really doing a job on them and their positions. Everything he touches turns to merde, as Echidne and others have said more eloquently.


GravatarMonkey meat at center of unusual criminal case
http://www.yahoo.com/s/743875


GravatarBuckeye, you're old enough now to file a Schedule A and itemise. All manner of possibilities will thereby be opened to you.
.


GravatarMakes you stop and ask, What relief am I after and what relief is available and are the two compatible.

Sort of like this conversation
noblejoanie | 11.24.07 - 2:48 pm | #


I want these guys to think about jail time when they consider pros and cons of their next illegal escapade.


GravatarEmptied the house of pictures and small stuff today. The movers will box up the rest and move it Tuesday. And the closing is Thursday. I will be so happy to have most of my paycheck back each month.


Gravatar"If we get 59 seats or less in the Senate, we will surely hear the you need 60 votes to do anything in the Senate crap."

there will be excuses to be sure - but it will be better than now.


GravatarUncle B.
I do think of DEMs as liberal. WTF?
DEM does not equate with moderate in my book. Liberal is not a dirty word!
...as in moderate meaning status quo and if we went along with that we'd be kissing corp ass just as we are now.


GravatarCLEARWATER, Fla. (AP) Linda Hogan has filed for divorce from her wrestler husband Hulk Hogan, a newspaper reported Friday.

"My wife has been in California for about three weeks. ... Holy smokes," Bollea later told the newspaper. "Wow, you just knocked the bottom out of me."


GravatarWe MUST elect the Democratic nominee; and if she turns out to be a DLC president, it will still be light years better than the incompetent, illegitimate, murderous, and entirely corrupt son of a bitch we now have.
David Derbes | 11.24.07 - 2:54 pm | #


I agree, but it won't be better enough. About the only thing I'm counting on in another Clinton administration is that the Supreme Court nominees won't be quite as troglodytic as who Rudy would nominate.

Other than that I see triangulating, Dems getting rolled, and more failed business as usual. Thus setting back the Progressive cause for another couple of decades and setting the stage for a more blatantly fascistic and power mad Republican administration that will have us waxing nostalgic for the Bushies.


GravatarWeinstein is certain that fundamentalists will stop at nothing to transform the United States military into an army of God. He notes that Officers Christian Fellowship, with chapters in every major U.S. military installation in the world, envisions—and here he quotes its mission statement—a "spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform, empowered by the Holy Spirit." The group has helped boost fundamentalist Christianity among the armed forces from a negligible presence 20 years ago to a faith currently held by 30 percent of U.S. soldiers, according to Weinstein. He adds that many of those soldiers—hardcore end-timers and Dominionists—desperately want America to invade Iran, thereby triggering the biblical prophecy of the Rapture.

A then-Democrat, now-Republican who represented Reagan during the Iran-contra affair, Weinstein criticizes the former president for creating an opening for evangelical Christians in the military, but excoriates George W. Bush for dropping the floodgates. Bush, he says, is a "suboptimal human being." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation's supporters include refugees of the Bush years such as David Iglesias (one of the U.S. attorneys dismissed this year) and Ambassador Joe Wilson (husband of outed CIA operative Valerie Plame). "A lot of the anecdotal evidence that Mikey told me I found very troubling from a constitutional perspective," said Iglesias, who is an evangelical Christian. Wilson cites security implications: "They are proselytizing not on behalf of the Constitution of the United States and the national security interests of our country," he said, "but rather on behalf of some sort of fanatical view of end times. And they are using our army to affect that."

Strange world.


GravatarWell of course I make the first post in like umpteen hours and what does Atrios do seconds later?


OWLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GravatarBuckeye, you're old enough now to file a Schedule A and itemise. All manner of possibilities will thereby be opened to you.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 3:00 pm |


I think this means more forms and spending more than 15 minutes on my tax returns.

OTOH, I should probably be deducting my student loan payments, shouldn't I?


GravatarWhat's up with all this food stealing?
spocko | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 2:59 pm | #

He said in his best Seinfeld impression...


GravatarBuckeye, you're old enough now to file a Schedule A and itemise. All manner of possibilities will thereby be opened to you.
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GWPDA


Unless you have a mortgage the standard deduction is usually better.


Gravatarcritical sheets.


GravatarWhat's up with all this food stealing? spocko

Heyheyheyhey, Boo Boo!


GravatarMikey Weinstein fights those who push evangelical Christianity in the military—and draws decidedly unchristian responses.

An amateur pugilist with shoulders like a butcher block and a head like a cannonball, he several times challenged evangelical minister Ted Haggard to a boxing match. (Haggard declined.)

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yahooooooooo


GravatarFrankly, what good will a Dem sweep in 08 be if they're unwilling to clean out the Augean stables?
steve simels

Here is the question. Can we prove that "cleaning out the Augean Stables" is a GOOD thing for THEM?

Yes we can agree it is good for the country, but politically I'll bet they can't see it as a good thing. Think about how Chris Matthews STILL sees the world. He (and the villiagers) WANT that bipartisan, "Tip O'Neill Held Reagan's hand" moment again and the Democrats are the only ones willing to be bi-partisan. The Republicans showed that they didn't give a rip.

I must be PROVED to them that it is ESSENTIAL and that falling into a "We all need to heal" is bull because if the cut is infected we need to remove the splinter or it will never heal."

By the way, that might be a metaphor we can start using AGAINST the "We all need to Heal" metaphor.


GravatarOther than that I see triangulating, Dems getting rolled, and more failed business as usual. Thus setting back the Progressive cause for another couple of decades and setting the stage for a more blatantly fascistic and power mad Republican administration that will have us waxing nostalgic for the Bushies.
steve simels


Steve, you're older and wiser than I am (older for sure! ), but I do not think anyone to the left of Milton Friedman will one day pine for the good old days of the second Bush junta.


GravatarIf DLC Steny worked hard against her in caucus, how would we know?

Well, the Democrats aren't particularly known for keeping their back-biting out of the press. But I accept your point.


GravatarNYT: "As Democrats See Iraq Gains, A Shift In Tone."

For the 537th time, Dimocrat candidates turn their swollen purple baboon backsides toward hysterical anti-American nutroots.



[..uh-oh..nutroot-induced hilarity alert!..]


Gravatar"DEM does not equate with moderate in my book. Liberal is not a dirty word!
...as in moderate meaning status quo and if we went along with that we'd be kissing corp ass just as we are now."

Sure liberal is not a dirty word - here. After 35 years of propaganda it is to most of the sheeple.

Not so much status quo. I am sure there will be changes, but none fo them will question the basic assumptions that got us in trouble - you will not see the end of corporate rights or corporate welfare, you might not see health care reform as we envision it, you will not see anyone questioning "development" as THE way to go.

dems will try to polish the turd a bit longer, I think. cause this IS the "greatest country" "USAUSAUSA" and all that. and if some of those basic assumptions are not challenged it will be business as usual.


Gravatarcan Lubyanka post without using nutroot or hilarity?

No.


GravatarI am a god damned optimist - so sue me!


Gravatar"I am a god damned optimist - so sue me!"

I think not.

However, I am a grouch. I even hate Christmas. You may sue me as well, but I really don't have much.


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