HULK SMASH!!!
Impeach already
evil. thers is Evil. i must sleep now, to prepare for battle with such Evil.
I am ready for alt.universe.reality
No one could have predicted that Harvey Birdman would be quite so prophetic.
I'm not evil. I'm just blogged that way.
in my dreams, thers, Molly and I are having really exotic, hawt, sexual encounters in which you are tied to a chair watching helplessly while i satisfy her like never before, and she comes (heh) over to the Dark Syde. after that, we climb the Obstacle together and diss our DI. but that's just a dream, so you don't have to worry.
for now.
I'm glad the jdw hypocrite has ran away ... peace is easier without fanatics on either side
in my dreams
If you could arrange the babysitting... you have no idea.
From below:
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as a senator from the Indian region of Punjab and criticized her record on outsourcing.
Howie Gothere
So, you're saying that she has voted for, or sponsored legislation to lower the caps on H-1B visas?
Link?
Why on earth should one candidate quit before the contest is finished? Democrats need not be so fainthearted.
Because, Ellen, she has lost. The voters have finally rejected her in favor of another candidate. Not necessarily why you think either.
There are reasons for voting for people other than gender or race. Certainly desiring to have someone of your gender represent the country is not wrong. Nor is it wrong to see someone represent those who have been so hurt by society for so long. But there really and truly are other reasons.
I have had people cast aspersions my way because I don't like Hillary Clinton. They claim, erroneously in my estimation, that I do not like her because she is a woman. If I did not like Barack Obama, would it be because he is black? Or a man? Or left handed? Or smarter than me? Or a better speaker? Or more talented?
Choosing a candidate to support entails other factors beyond the simple. I am a supporter of the more liberal positions. To these ends neither candidate represents what I most want in a candidate: an end to the war, social justice, absolute reform of our heinous and hurtful economic system, a raising of our educational system (Not a razing of the same - when Obama speaks of merit pay for teachers, I cringe, for example)
But this being America, I cannot dictate what I want: it does not work that way. And to say that people are not voting for Hillary because she is a woman is to dismiss the horrible and hurtful things she has said and done as being unimportant to the one true qualification (in your mind.)
Dividing the country. Lying. Doing anything to gain an advantage. These are not things I can accept from anyone and when they do it: I do not like it. Barack and his people have done things that are questionable as well. I am not saying that they have not: I am saying that they have, in my estimation, done less. YMMV.
Voting for the war was wrong. A lot of people did it. Refusing to accept that it was wrong is inexcusable. Yet, she carries on as if her vote did not matter. It did.
I am sorry. That argument is specious.
Lambert Strether is a racist asshole. I'll never post over there.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 05.10.08 - 1:33 am | #
ok, sweetie. i hear you, i've heard you, again and again and again.. but: can i ask you this? if i, "mullato whore" that i am in truth, and my blogmate X, Black Man 6'6" Southsyiiide Native and Nigger Extrdnr. that he is, and others of Color who blog there all agree: Lambert isn't a racist, and we know so because we speak, write and deal with him him person on a regular basis...where does that leave your "analysis?"
you disagree about candidates. OK. fine. are you still on the same side against McCentury? are you willing to work, Hard, to prove so? i just got off the phone with my "racist" blogmate. he failed to insult my race, or stupidity for disagreeing with him. you don't have to post at corrente, it's a free country. but blanket/disparage much? i know who has worked, *worked* and not bitched on the blogosphere, for racial justice. i don't know that about you; i know it from personal experience as well as local ME results, in lambert's case. go on, insult him. it's your right. but i'm tellling you, *as your friend, trying hard to remain your friend* you're wrong about him.
you two just disagree about candidates, whom, i'll remind (and did to him) you both: Don't Care About You At all, and will lie, cheat and steal and fuck you over, to serve their own purposes. in the end, only "we" will be here for you when it counts. g'night, dear. and all. be well.
"I'm glad the jdw hypocrite has ran away ... peace is easier without fanatics on either side"
i'm here, buttmunch, having handed you your ass below.
I don't know why Hillary is still campaigning, with absolutely no outside money sources.
It's getting kinda weird.
(sorry about the long post. I am heading to bed but that argument - last made by Ellen Malcom in the Washington Post - really irritates me. I find it just amazing that reasonable and intelligent people can make it.
I just want someone who will LEAD without pissing people off.
"I don't know why Hillary is still campaigning, with absolutely no outside money."
i give her credit for wanting to finish. it's how she's doing it that sucks.
DWD - A Relic
:applause:
And I'll just say again, tearing down the front runner, when a person has no fucking chance in hell of winning is a lot goddamn worse than what some poster says about another poster or a blog.
God freaking damn. How stupid is this?
because we speak, write and deal with him him person on a regular basis...where does that leave your "analysis?"
It leaves her analysis as better informed on what is posted at that site.
Spend an hour or two reading down the comments in a couple of recent threads. You'll be enlightened.
And with that, I am going to bed.
Best regards to all
I just want someone who will LEAD without pissing people off.
You want a dictator.
and i am off to bed, also. enjoy your non-fanatical peace.
I don't know why Hillary is still campaigning, with absolutely no outside money sources.
I don't care if she keeps campaigning until the primaries are oer so long as she focuses on the issues she thinks are important and/or attacks McSame.
Negative campaigning against the Democratic party's nominee for President, however, won't help anyone at all except for the GOP.
Negative campaigning against the Democratic party's nominee for President, however, won't help anyone at all except for the GOP.
You said it much nicer than I did. Kudos.
May the good guys and gals win.
There are reasons for voting for people other than gender or race. Certainly desiring to have someone of your gender represent the country is not wrong. Nor is it wrong to see someone represent those who have been so hurt by society for so long. But there really and truly are other reasons.
Can you say DLC? The Repuglican arm of the left.
The last two presidential elections were stolen, and a terrorist attack was committed by this Administration on it's own people, so its power could be consolidated. Given the insurgent candidacy of the Obama campaign, and the fact that power concedes nothing without a fight, what does the immediate future hold?
At this point, Clinton isn't doing much of anything other than making Obama spend money in places and ways he wouldn't have to otherwise.
I'm not sure how much it will really matter. McCain doesn't seem to be able to raise money any better than Clinton...
"I'm glad the jdw hypocrite has ran away ... peace is easier without fanatics on either side"
If Hillary is in favor of raising the H1-B caps, and at the same time also in favor of increased outsourcing of high-tech engineering jobs overseas, then she should be called on it.
In one of my current jobs I have to clean up the mess made by an Indian company, who were apparently just another group of braindead incompetent software developers. And they got paid a hell of a lot more to develop this crap than I am getting to redo it the right way. So if you think outsourcing is a good thing, then fuck you.
and the fact that power concedes nothing without a fight, what does the immediate future hold?
Duane V, Kirbykrackle | 05.10.08 - 1:54 am | #
a worthy battle...
This whole "Hey, let's have it out in Denver, it'll be cool" is about the most childish thing I've heard.
Barack Obama is the nominee. From right now let's make sure he takes the oath.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Q...feature=related
i'm here, buttmunch, having handed you your ass below. -jdw
yeah, I saw that- too bad you HAD to scoot to bed without a cite ...
my teeth are brushed, my twat is clean. i'm going to bed. but je repete, and no one who fails to answer this gets my attention ever again:
you disagree about (dem) candidates. OK. fine. are you still on the same side against McCentury? are you willing to work, Hard, to prove so?
what are you willing to do? what have you done? what will you do, Today? tomorrow?
bitching on a blog about other bloggers: Lame. gnight, i've got a Party GOTV action to go to tomorrow. you?
I've never called for her to leave the race. Hell, finally Oregon gets some love. She needs to pay off Penn and if suckers want to help, go for it. Just don't ask Obama donors to cover it.
Night, all.
Sorry for the long rant. Sometimes the stupid does overwhelm me. Seriously, how can intelligent people bundle their dreams and place them on the back of flawed individuals and then ignore those same flaws and then feign hurt when others go, WTF?
Peace.
a worthy battle...
fokowi
I hope we win..
remember 80% of the public aren't paying any attention yet.
I hope we win..
Duane V, Kirbykrackle
Read this.
We'll win
http://blog.oregonlive.com/elect...obamavisit2008/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=v...feature=related
I write software for a living, and I am not against H1-Bs.
Good programmers are always hard to come by, and some of the best I've known come from overseas... at least pre-Bush many of these people want to stay here in the US once their servitude is up (yes, many of them are taken advantage of and are paid less than they should).
Some of them go on to start great businesses here and overall are a net positive for this country.
*sigh* My guilt index is creeping upward at an increasing pace, for essentially dropping out of corrente when things started to get uncomfortable.
I could have stuck around and, if not fought for at least represented my point of view. Which has evolved over time as have other people's.
Lambert is not a racist for chrissakes. He got badly beaten up by overenthusiastic Obama fanatics early on and like anybody who feels that they are being bullied, commenced to fight back. That involved standing up for the Other Side and, well, things have gone as they have gone.
At first I honestly felt like Corrente was being a refuge for honorable people on both sides to present their case and their arguments. Maybe we got an influx of pro-HRC people at too fast a pace for us to keep up with. At any rate pretty soon it was an all-HRC-all-the-time joint like the other ones rootless was citing (I guess...I don't read Taylor Marsh or the other ones he mentioned, and for that matter cut back my Kos reading to once a week for the Saturday Gardening Blog for awhile there.)
It's time for standing up, brushing off the dirt, shaking hands and applying the Bactine of healing. In gallon quantities if need be. After I read the Gardening Blog tomorrow I shall start my contribution at the home I've been neglecting.
Ok, I can't resist.
bitching on a blog about other bloggers: Lame
Really?
I'm looking at Corrente and in just a glance or two, I see bitching about Josh Marshall, Chris Bowers, and Hullabaloo.
Maybe you should take this message around, eh?
I write software for a living, and I am not against H1-Bs.
Guess what I sailed in on?
Guess what I sailed in on?
point proved.
It's not over yet!
and overall are a net positive for this country.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 2:01 am | #
have worked with people from the ukraine, phillipnes, and india.
outstanding minds, all.
duane v: where there is hope...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...SluQXK_Be8&
NR=1
I write software for a living, and I am not against H1-Bs.
I never said I was against H-1Bs.
However, I personally know people who have been out of work for two years now, because of the effects of outsourcing/offshoring, both of which trace their roots back to the H-1B visa program.
American's are being put out of work, supposedly because we don't have the "skills" that only H-1B visa candidates have.
I never said I was against H-1Bs.
your discussion is reminding my husband of the Basque sheep herders in E. Oregon.
because of the effects of outsourcing/offshoring, both of which trace their roots back to the H-1B visa program.
H-1Bs come here to work, and they have the inside track on permanent residence and citizenship if they want it. they are not in any way an incentive to send jobs overseas.
Reefer Madness if you got em.
On TCM.
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I'm looking at Corrente and in just a glance or two
because i'm a Junkie, of course i ahve to respond. and what else did you see? my posts? no. of course not. or Xan's, or Leah's, or Shy's. that's the fucking problem with you people (you obsessive primary bs types) you fall for the SCLM narrative of the moment, again and again and you miss the bigger fucking picture that make the diff in elelctions, again and again, as dems lose and we all lose.
for fuck's sake: no one cares. not about Corrente, or Eschaton, nor any of it. 99% of dem voters are making up their minds accoring to GOTV efforts, neighbors and friends and family, and the SCLM. *WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE THAT????1!!!1???"
I'm so sick and fucking tired of Virtural Village games. it's pathetic. it's clear to me: most "liberal" and "progressives" want ME and Chinese masters. if you didn't, you'd be doing, that is *doing* and not bitching, about that. wake up. or go to sleep and wake up tomorrow and do something with real voters like me, tomorrow. gn't for real.
I write software for a living, and I am not against H1-Bs.
Me too, and neither am I.
I learned some tech stuff from being around them, and they learned how to be sharply critical of others around me.
H-1Bs come here to work, and they have the inside track on permanent residence and citizenship if they want it. they are not in any way an incentive to send jobs overseas.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Not in my experience. Many visa holders come here to be trained by the companies that employ them. Once the visa expires, they go back to the country they come from, and manage groups of people doing what they did here in the US.
DNC Chair Doctor Howard "Call Me Edgy" Dean Buys Special 48-Star Flags For Denver Convention.
"The states of Michigan and Florida are unknown to us," said Dean.
Barack Obama is the nominee. From right now let's make sure he takes the oath. - MP
Lord Democratic Party Boss, thank god you have come. you know some infidels in West Virginia & Kentucky still have the audacity as to want to vote, should we silence them on your Glorious Pronouncement of what is needed?
intellectual property. if it's intellectual, is it really property?
there's no way to put a fucking fence up around it...
or fuck's sake: no one cares. not about Corrente, or Eschaton, nor any of it. 99% of dem voters are making up their minds accoring to GOTV efforts, neighbors and friends and family, and the SCLM. *WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE THAT????1!!!1???"
No prob.
They really dig Whiskey Fire.
In addition, your candidate sucks.
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Reefer Madness if you got em.
sob. I don't. Watching such would just make me sob harder, and drink more. 
ErinPDX
Looks good in Oregon.
fokowi, haven't given in to despair yet..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=s...feature=related
Howie Gothere
Fuck West Virginia. And I mean that in a time honored good way.
In fact the scenario I described, is how the company I work for, has staffed offices in India, Malaysia, China, Bulgaria, and Romania.
In response more than 10,000 people in the US, and 2000+ in Europe have lost their jobs as a direct result.
Guess what I sailed in on?
Echidne
I was guessing a gossamer wing and love, pure love.
I was wrong?
Guess what I sailed in on?
Echidne |
I saw that Kitten Immigrant Video.
should we silence them on your Glorious Pronouncement of what is needed?
no, it's the Oregon voters who will silence "Bugs!" and his ilk.
Once the visa expires, they go back to the country they come from, and manage groups of people doing what they did here in the US.
Absent the veneer of restraint over sexism with gusto, classism and racism, depending.
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Once the visa expires, they go back to the country they come from, and manage groups of people doing what they did here in the US.
Thats true too. But some of them do stay and contribute to this country. And some of those that go back home take with them contacts here. I work for a relatively small company that does business globally, local contacts are invaluable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w...h?
v=wPbj6Lz1enA
Fuck West Virginia. And I mean that in a time honored good way. -MP
what if we equally fuck Illinois and count them out then what? Democracy? without american idol? ... preposterous.
Absent the veneer of restraint over sexism with gusto, classism and racism, depending.
Maybe, I have not had the opportunity to visit the countries in question.
I also have spoken with people who have gone through this "program", and to date, none of them wanted to stay in the US.
what if we equally fuck Illinois
West Virginia going against Illinois in a corporate exploitation cage match?
I'll buy a ticket.
Shoot the piano player.
Shotgun him.
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Thats true too. But some of them do stay and contribute to this country. And some of those that go back home take with them contacts here. I work for a relatively small company that does business globally, local contacts are invaluable.
The Old Man From Scene 24
That may be, but I work for a company that has contributed significantly to the unemployment rate in the IT industry. Which to be fair, isn't limited to my employer only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...h?
v=ApxnAr6pRt0
going horizontal. tomorrow will most likely begin another day of wondering where the
And on that note, I must away to my slumber.
Job hunting begins anew tomorrow.
"I also have spoken with people who have gone through this "program", and to date, none of them wanted to stay in the US."
This has taken place in the last eight years?
This has taken place in the last eight years?
EkCenTriK
It has accelerated in the past 8 years.
you know some infidels in West Virginia & Kentucky still have the audacity as to want to vote
And they are going to vote, and their votes will choose Delegates according to rules established before most of us ever heard of Barrack Hussien Obama.
And guess what? after everyone's voted, Obama will have a majority of the pledged delegates, a majority of the super delegates and a majority of the popular vote.
He is the Democratic Party's Nominee for President of the United States, get used to it.
I'm not sure why you're upset when the blog you're defending has the very thing you're saying is lame.
and what else did you see? my posts? no.
Um, well, yes. Now that you bring it up. I saw you thought the parody Red State Upstate (done by some folks in my area) was funded by Republicans.
I was trying to not have a laugh about that. I can't get through 15 seconds if their schtick without guffawing. (You thought they were real?)
And I saw one photo of some beautiful iris.
But there are also many, many posts here that aren't about bloggers. Don't get riled because I pointed out something that was true, okay?
Maybe I should skip this but...
.. that's the fucking problem with you people (you obsessive primary bs types) you fall for the SCLM narrative of the moment, again and again and you miss the bigger fucking picture that make the diff in elelctions, again and again, as dems lose and we all lose.
The profound irony here is that you should be ranting this stuff at Hillary Clinton and her team. That's where it matters. If you want to start smaller, start at the people on your site who whine about other bloggers. They're not just random posters.
Thanks a million.
Xan, maybe you are just on a sabbatical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=K...feature=related
Some guys simply want to return to the country of origin where wimmens are still under their thumb. Interns and residents come to mind, who are beside themselves having a female doctor look them in the eye and tell them what to do, not to mention a female nurse.
Good riddance.
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should we silence them on your Glorious Pronouncement of what is needed?
What, if a candiate drops out they just cancel your primary? Leave the polling places barren, unstaffed and locked?
You'll have a primary just as you did in 04, 00, 96, etc. Of course nobody gave a rat's ass what the 4.09 dozen people who showed up in those earlier years did because there was no contest at all by that point.
By the time the primary calendar got to me the herd had been thinned considerably, and my personal choice had just dropped out anyway. That did not constitute disenfranchisement for chrissakes. I was still free to vote any damn way I wanted, as are you. All this "let our voices be hearrrrd" whining from the late-calendar states seems a little weird, if not unseemly. If you want to be "heard" on a regular basis get active in restructuring the whole primary system.
IA and NH wouldn't be able to pull the blackmail BS they did if more people did the kind of boring, non-sexy work CD was talking about in the boring, non-presidential, non-sexy years.
Texas (Yes I live here)
Massive active sinkhole. News folks say people are giving tours.
Did I say I was in Texas?
Feds: Teen use of pot can lead to dependency, mental illness
WASHINGTON (AP) - Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday.
A teen who has been depressed at some point in the past year is more than twice as likely to have used marijuana as teens who have not reported being depressed - 25 percent compared with 12 percent, said the report by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.
"Marijuana is a more consequential substance of abuse than our culture has treated it in the last 20 years," said John Walters, director of the office. "This is not just youthful experimentation that they'll get over as we used to think in the past."
Smoking marijuana can lead to more serious problems, Walters said in an interview.
Oops..Red State Update.
I can provide a Nashville Scene article 'n' everything.
night
That may be, but I work for a company that has contributed significantly to the unemployment rate in the IT industry. Which to be fair, isn't limited to my employer only.
Well I've always been against sending jobs over seas, I'm advocating for smart people to come here to work, and preferably, stay.
In my experience truly good programmers are hard to come by...there's a huge difference between someone who knows how to program and someone who is good at it. If we can get them from other countries to come here and if some of the m stay its a good thing.
I just want the Dems to stop trying to teabag the South this election.
Obama should campaign heavily in the "Solid South".
IA and NH wouldn't be able to pull the blackmail BS they did if more people did the kind of boring, non-sexy work CD was talking about in the boring, non-presidential, non-sexy years.
Xan
true, i watched the DNC subcommittee meetings on that very topic - cspan - and it was a sleeper. loved it.
what did we get out here? Nevada to represent "the west." ha ha ha
For example, using marijuana increases the risk of developing mental disorders by 40 percent, the report said. And teens who smoke pot at least once a month over a yearlong period are three times more likely to have suicidal thoughts than nonusers, it said.
"Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday."
Okay. You lost me with "according to a White House report".
What's John Walters been smoking? Wingnut welfare checkstubs?
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bed time for me
nite all
Experts who have worked with children say there's nothing harmless about marijuana.
"I've seen many, many kids' lives negatively impacted and taken off track because of marijuana," said Elizabeth Stanley-Salazar, director of adolescent services for Phoenix House treatment centers in California. "It's somewhat Russian roulette. There are so many factors, emotional, psychological, biological. You can't predict the experimentation and how it will impact a kid."
I just want the Dems to stop trying to teabag the South this election.
Obama should campaign heavily in the "Solid South".
If they don't do better then in 2004, I'm going to be furious. The Dem headquarters was in a remote area and you had to go there to get signs, we hardly saw Kerry, at one fundraiser done by a local bigtime singer/songwriter - he simply failed to show, and it was frustrating as hell.
Barackstar comes to Oregon today:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/elect...obamavisit2008/
Marijuana report on Cspan right now. Dr. Drew Pinsky says in his experience with kids the 'fun' effects of marijuana start wearing off after the third time and the dangerous effects, the effects that amplify and cause depression, start with the 4th or 4th smoking. He says we need to quit normalizing and stop denying the dangerous mental health effects of marijuana.
you know some infidels in West Virginia & Kentucky still have the audacity as to want to vote
I don't recall seeing anyone suggest they shouldn't vote.
The comment you're responding to is simply an acknowledgement of mathematical probabilities.
Even if Clinton wins 80% of all the remaining primaries, and 50% of remaining superdelegates, Obama will still win in the delegate count.
Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project, an organization that advocates the decriminalization of marijuana, called the study "an absolutely dishonest report, deliberately confusing correlation with causation."
"This very week the British government's official scientific advisers on illegal drugs issued a report saying they are 'unconvinced that there is a causal relationship between the use of cannabis and any affective disorder,' such as depression, he said.
Gravatar"Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday."
Wow. I had a lot of fun getting high, to be totally honest. I had no idea it could have led to being a statistic on White House Reports.
Guess what I sailed in on?
Echidne
I was guessing a gossamer wing and love, pure love.
I was wrong?
No, you were sort of right.
Nutroots' mentors and icons--Berkeley's Code Pink Cellulite Broads--pull out all the stops, hex Marine recruiters with "witchcraft"....
Depression, teens and marijuana are a dangerous mix that can lead to dependency, mental illness or suicidal thoughts, according to a White House report being released Friday.
I love the way they phrase these things so as to attribute cause and effect in the way that results in the moralistic bombast they desire.
How about the possibility that kids--or people of any age, but you can't have the "What About The Children, Won't Somebody Please Think About The Chiiiiildren" screed without this restriction-- who are more depressed already are more likely to use mood-altering substances?
I mean, d'uh.
that said, I emphasized to my own son the research which shows that brain development and formation continues through the teens and early 20s, suggesting that regular or heavy use of substances like THC or alcohol was very unwise for physiological reasons.
But this "study" is just Reefer Madness 08. Yeah, let's put kids who smoke pot in jail instead, that'll do wonders to improve their later lives and cure them of reasons to be depressed.
Let's take this opportunity to get rid of these stupid Confederate lines of battle.
And I'm a Virginian. I want to see "Southerners" support a black candidate for President.
Fucking isolate the wig wearing Trent Lott constituents.
"suggesting that regular or heavy use of substances like THC or alcohol was very unwise for physiological reasons.
But this "study" is just Reefer Madness 08."
You take a good approach. The real problem with the "Reefer Madness" attitude is their zest may very well mask good research and good data that might actually be critical.
MP i'm with you.
show all of their asses for good
sure enough, having no pot is leading me to go make another drink. brb.
MP i'm with you.
show all of their asses for good
ErinPDX
I actually think he can win the Southern bloc.
John Walters, White House Drug Control Policy Officer, on Cspan says the research shows girls are particularly harmed by the ill effects of marijuana.
miranda in sex in the city. I really liked her when she was in that movie where the highschool kid builds and atomic bomb.
MP:
Messiah will sweep the South like a broom...
No, you were sort of right.
"Alone and mirrored clear in love's deep river"
A phrase from Seamus Heaney.
Messiah will beat the South like a drum...
Messiah will sweep the South like a broom...
Lubyanka
No. But they are hurting badly from listening to the man from Crawford.
Walters says young people go out of their way to lie and cover up their marijuana use and parents must be vigilant.
Messiah will reap the South like wheat...
I don't recall seeing anyone suggest they shouldn't vote.
The comment you're responding to is simply an acknowledgement of mathematical probabilities.
Even if Clinton wins 80% of all the remaining primaries, and 50% of remaining superdelegates, Obama will still win in the delegate count.
Seraphiel
I'm in florida.
I doubt that blogs are the way to learn how people will vote in November. There's too much self-selection, so that now Corrente is all Clinton and Kos is Obama-land and so on. People won't hear the stuff they need to hear when surrounded by only those they agree with.
I am not now nor have I ever been a communist. I am also not a Stalinist nor a Fascist.
among other states, McCain will be spending beaucoup time in MI and FL
Walter's says in some metropolitan areas age of marijuana initiation goes as low as age 10.
"People won't hear the stuff they need to hear when surrounded by only those they agree with"
That has been discussed in terms of both blogs and the internet in general. Cultural change. But then consider how narrow a newspaper or a network newscast can be.
The drug control policy office analyzed about a dozen studies looking at marijuana use, including research by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.
Overall, marijuana use among teens has decreased 25 percent since 2001, down to about 2.3 million kids who used pot at least once a month, the drug control office said.
While the drop is encouraging, Walters appealed to parents to recognize signs of possible drug use and depression.
"It's not something you look the other way about when your teen starts appearing careless about their grooming, withdrawing from the family, losing interest in daily activities," Walters said. "Find out what's wrong."
I doubt that blogs are the way to learn how people will vote in November.
That's absurd. People will vote as my blog tells them.
I actually think he can win the Southern bloc.
MP
I agree. The "solid (r) South" is not remotely a place where everybody, or 60-70-80 percent numbers, vote Republican. It's more like 55 percent, which is "solid" by modern electoral standards but really very weak when you look at it closely.
The sort of heavy campaigning in the South that T4 and MP and Erin are talking about could not only swing that 5 percent of existing voters but change the whole equation by upping registrations and tapping the long-time non-voters, which is by far the biggest bloc in the country.
Get even 15 percent of that group to sign up, then keep up the GOTV to get say 8-10 percent actually out in November, and you indeed--dare I say it? --rule the world.
"That's absurd. People will vote as my blog tells them.
Thers "
And that is? (pencil and paper in hand)
You could get pretty high just standing next to a tv showing Reefer Madness, with all the smoke they keep wasting with incessant puffing. Don't they know you have to hold it in to really ruin your lungs?
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That's absurd. People will vote as my blog tells them.
Only the Bacon Brigade and we know from our careful polling that it's too small and too drunk in whisky to make a difference.
All this moaning over little mary jane, but bacon is the true scourge of society.
http://xkcd.com/418/
God is the genius of Man.
You could get pretty high just standing next to a tv showing Reefer Madness
[rushes down hall to turn set to TCM, breathes deeply]
[fails to detect promised effect. Returns morosely to drink.]
Barack Obama is a cultural interloper and I disapprove of his candidacy.
John Walters, White House Drug Control Policy Officer, on Cspan says the baby boomer generation has the highest rates of alcohol and drug abuse in their 50's and 60's. He says with the baby boomer generation substance abuse became culturally acceptable and a mark of independence. He says this spirit ends up as a kind of denial that destoys families.
"He says this spirit ends up as a kind of denial that destoys families."
WTF?
And that is? (pencil and paper in hand)
Free love & humptiness.
This John Walters guy sounds like Harry J. Anslinger on acid....
"He says this spirit ends up as a kind of denial that destoys families."
It's wingnuttese. Everything is caused by liberals, and all liberal ideas are against something called "family", which is the actual living creature that the society is for, except that the members of that family don't count.
"Free love & humptiness."
See, that would have saved Hillary.
On the other hand, maybe not so good for her when I think about it.
Walters says movies like Animal House have done great cultural destruction.
(He's really saying this shit.)
WTF?
EkCenTriK
yeah, you gotta wonder what brings an anti-pot troll onto a liberal blog at 2 in the fucking morning to drop turds?
Could it be that he has been...smoking pot and is beset with guilt? At not bringing enough for everybody, for starters?
It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
I've never tried pot. Or anything else in that category. I've got a 24/7 party going on in my brain without any help at all.
Echidne, I was thinking about how meaningless the statement is. What does it really means. It probably rolled off the tongue well. But does it have any actual functional meaning. Which is what I have noticed the wingnut seems to specialize in.
(He's really saying this shit.)
And, six months from now, we find out that Walters has been buggering his pet male poodle while on meth binges.
After the last few decades, whenever I hear `pugs going on about "family values," I can't help but think, "thou dost protest too much."
Echidne, I was thinking about how meaningless the statement is. What does it really means. It probably rolled off the tongue well. But does it have any actual functional meaning. Which is what I have noticed the wingnut seems to specialize in.
Most of their framing is like that. If you look at it, it disappears in a poof.
But the words trigger the right basic emotions in the true believers. So when Bush says "freedom" they don't ask "freedom for whom, to do what?". They assume it means they will be free to do what they want.
among other states, McCain will be spending beaucoup time in MI and FL
Lubyanka | 05.10.08 - 2:46 am | #
Good. Let him. We'll make sure to remind everybody here how he sold out the U.S. to the North Vietnamese.
yeah, you gotta wonder what brings an anti-pot troll onto a liberal blog at 2 in the fucking morning to drop turds?
They don't want to be alone in their misery. Always watching and being critical of others...... others who 'break the rules' and will surely get into 'trouble'. Not like them....... they are good...... they aren't at all like those people who have fun....
Something is blossoming fiercely around here lately, so I've been sneezing a lot. Seeing Daddy sneeze cracks the 2 year old up something fierce. He likes to fake sneeze at me so I'll say "Ah-Choo!" and then he giggles.
Funny kid.
Toby Petzold will never have children of his own and will die broken and sad. Just the breaks, yo.
Now Walters is saying marijuana destroys the brain. 'We also know marijuana users stay out late and don't get sleep. The mind needs sleep to consolidate memory.'
I'm in florida.
How unfortunate for you.
But Howard Dean has stated already that Michigan and Florida will have their delegates seated at the convention. It's still unlikely to change the results at all, but hopefully it will at least make people feel better.
John Walters, White House Drug Control Policy Officer, .... blah blah blah
juan | 05.10.08 - 2:56 am | #
Duude, you gotta be really stoned to listen to that shit..
Let's face it. Obama can't even count all teh coin pouring in, and McCain has like $1.98 left.
Now Walters is saying marijuana destroys the brain. 'We also know marijuana users stay out late and don't get sleep. The mind needs sleep to consolidate memory.'
juan | 05.10.08 - 3:05 am | #
Ahhh, staying up late, getting wasted, banging teh chix, good times.
Sorry you missed out.
I don't want Hillary as VP or Senate Leader....... I want her to head something like the Port-o-Potty commission.
I love pot. Well, I should say I like pot very much...what I truly love is hash, despite not having had any in nigh onto 30 years.
Smoked a fair lot of both in my youth...then went a couple of decades without touching the stuff, for assorted reasons including unavailability and family. Ten years ago things changed and I was partaking fairly regularly. Haven't for the last couple of years for those same assorted reasons.
Never went into any sort of fits or conniptions when forced to do without it. Never particularly tempted to get into other substances of an illegal nature. (Disclosure: tried acid once, probably crappy stuff said to be windowpane, didn't care for it. Ditto a very small quantity of coke on one occasion.)
"But the words trigger the right basic emotions in the true believers. "
And this is why I used to get in trouble during meetings at work.
We learned the lesson in the 20's. Listen to a vocal minority legislating morality. Block beer sales so people start drinking rotgut in speakeasies or taking it home to hide, thus bringing hard liquor (more bang for the buck) into homes. Encourage gangs to flourish and arm themselves. Break down obedience to the law and civil behavior because to get a drink you're already breaking a law, so it's easy to break another. Fill up the jails with mothers and fathers and thereby wreck whole families. Corrupt the cops and the judges, too. Lose revenue from taxes while increasing all sorts of costs like the jails and the number of cops on the payroll. Decrease public safety because rival gangs and the police have shoot-outs. Demonize the ones addicted so that they can't hold a job or get adequate treatment.
Learned it really well, didn't we?
Ahhh, staying up late, getting wasted, banging teh chix, good times.
Sorry you missed out.
hmmm
John Walters, White House Drug Control Policy Officer, .... blah blah blah
juan
Oh christ, I hadn't been paying attention...He kept saying "John Walters says..." and I kept wondering wtf a goofball moviemaker was doing pontificating on the perils of pot??
this is probably a sign I too should go consolidate some memories, or at least put on Adult Swim and read for a bit. Night all. 
Learned it really well, didn't we?
Well, getting crime organized gave Hoover and his G-men a job for life, didn't it?
Sorta like that war on terror thingy....
The Rethugs are really taking a dive this go round. Not only the Chief Executive. They're getting the fuck out of Dodge in the Congress as well.
Listen to a vocal minority legislating morality.
Like the abolition of slavery.
Hmmm....... I think I like John Waters much better........
http://movies.ign.com/articles/8...2/
872453p1.html
At least he's happy
The Rethugs are really taking a dive this go round. Not only the Chief Executive. They're getting the fuck out of Dodge in the Congress as well.
MP | 05.10.08 - 3:16 am | #
Gives me hope that there will be a GOP bloodbath in Nov.
Thers, how many kids dost thou haveth?
I am not advocating or defending marijuana use. But I have always felt the reaction to it is way over the top.
I would like the see the stats on violence, deaths, and accidents attributable to weed versus alcohol on one single Saturday night in America.
I suspect the results will be a bit lop sided.
Then we can work on the health statistics in terms of disease, loss of work hours and addiction and so forth.
Well, getting crime organized gave Hoover and his G-men a job for life, didn't it?
Sorta like that war on terror thingy....
montag | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 3:15 am | #
Giving organized crime immense wealth and power. Nope, no repeat of history there.
Boobies before the Dawn!!!
loss of work hours
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Pot smokers seem much less destructive than drinkers. I don't get the "stay out late" part. Doesn't it make most people sleepy?
Wow, si, that's brilliant. You got me there, boy.
Of course, there are a few differences between your apple and my watermelon, but hey, it's late. Enjoy.
Speaking of boobies, TCM.
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Gives me hope that there will be a GOP bloodbath in Nov.
left field, Anonymous
Joey Scars repeatedly on his morning show, says it will not be pretty for the Republicans this Fall.
Gilly, you might as well count the grains of sand on a beach...
"Pot smokers seem much less destructive than drinkers."
Well I am out of date, but I never had an issue with violence as a potential with someone on weed. Plenty of issues with drunks.
Joey Scars repeatedly on his morning show, says it will not be pretty for the Republicans this Fall.
MP | 05.10.08 - 3:22 am | #
I remain cautiously optimistic. Dems have been known to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the past.
Thers, how many kids dost thou haveth?
439.
Thers, how many kids dost thou haveth?
439.
When you get to 490, Mary's gonna have to turn the other cheek...
Peace out, dawgs, and catch y'all on the flip side...
Shazam!
Good night, bats.
Wright Controversy Deepens Voter Divide
Religious, Racial Split in N.C., Indiana
By Jennifer Agiesta and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, May 10, 2008; B09
Religious voters in Indiana and North Carolina held to familiar patterns in Democratic primary balloting Tuesday, with the controversy over Sen. Barack Obama's relationship with his former pastor deepening the divide.
...
In both states, frequent churchgoers were more apt to say they were influenced by Wright than were less actively religious voters. In North Carolina, among those who said they attend religious services weekly, nearly six in 10 called Wright important to their vote, almost double the figure among those who never attend services. Even among Obama's own supporters in the Tarheel state, 45 percent who attend services weekly called the controversy important to their vote; among those, a third who rated it "very important."
In Indiana, the issue also split voters: About half of those who attend services weekly or occasionally rated the Wright issue important, while only a third of those who never attend services said the same.
African American churchgoers were not uniform in their response to the uproar surrounding Wright's controversial views, which the preacher rekindled the week before the primaries. Nearly half of black weekly churchgoers in Indiana said Wright was not at all important to their vote, while in North Carolina, about the same percentage said it was a significant factor. In the Tarheel state, black voters who gave Wright's sermons the most consideration still gave Obama a 70-point advantage, but it was slimmer than his 93-point win among those who said it was not a factor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0902382_pf.html
Nowhere for some of his numbers to go but down.
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Informal Obama adviser steps aside over Hamas talks
Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:47 PM by Domenico Montanaro
From NBC's Andrea Mitchell
One of the Obama campaign's informal Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, confirms to NBC NEWS that he has resigned from any role in the campaign because critics have tried to make an issue of his meetings with Hamas. The Times of London called him about it this morning, and has posted a story online. As a result, he called Obama's campaign today and took himself out of any future role.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/a...09/
1005411.aspx
The McCain campaign called and thanked him.
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Love was out to get me.
That's the way it seemed.
Disappointment haunted all of my dreams.
Bob Herbert: Seeds of Destruction
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/1...=th&
oref=slogin
I don't want to be associated with a political party, where 29 members of the oposition party are resigning, and even pundit ex-Republican US representatives are saying "Yeah, our party fucked it all up", and we stil put up with more showboat primaries.
This is beyond ridiculous. We have a ton of work to do, to rehabilitate this Nation.
Hillary, please stop. You're just making things more difficult.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...had-sex-
at.html
stufflebeem (admiral) seems to have had sex at white house
So, a link to an accusing headline with no content.
Most persuasive -- NOT.
So, a link to an accusing headline with no content.
Most persuasive -- NOT.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/0...fair/
index.html
I'm not sure why this is news anyone should care about though. Why do we need to know about internal pentagon personnel decisions if all there is to the story is an extramarital affair? I read the CNN piece thinking, "Oh, and this is where they tie the affair into some bigger scandal...", but I didn't see anything like that. Maybe I missed it.
Messiah Hussein Obama! Romping in the South!
Messiah Hussein Obama! Romping in the South!
Lubyanka
He's a good man. Why not?
He's not some cartoonish man shooting 500 Marines in the back.
Get over it, Luby, he's ready.
If anything happens this election cycle, if it means the death of the DLC, then I'll chalk it up as a victory for the Nation.
Harvey Birdman is my role model.
Though I'm surprised you didn't go with Blackwatch Plaid.
Obamagasmics atwitter: Hamas endorses our Messiah!
When will Hezbollah endorse Messiah?
My friends, John McCain's feeble slide down into the addlepated dustbin of history has officially begun.
http://www.latimes.com/news/
prin...0,1325783.story
My friends, I'm voting for the rickety fossil of muddle-headed pandering.
Go septagenarians!!!
Dimocrats have nominated an ultra-liberal black Chicago social worker, kinda like Carter in 76...
you go, numbnuts!
My friends, I will solemnly cast my vote for the candidate who inspires my greatest confidence:
Mr. McMatlock J. Depends!
bob herbert: shame on those evil clintons for standing in the way of precious in his rightful place in history to avenge all wrong done to blacks. folks, you are seeing another marker in stupid american politics, this time from the left.
democrats remain the most dense and moronic political species on the planet.
how did that fund raiser for McCain in NYC last night go? I hear that Al Qaeda contributed heavily to another fucking nitwit imperialistic asshole war mongering butt kisser who wants to further destroy the US.
morning, all.
it's all good here. Just heard on CSpan from a general among Pace, McCaffrey,etc., say 'we have to take our gays off of the ...' then realized it was "gaze" silly me.
Morning peeps.
Smitty, if you're around, I checked Oxfam and they are an excellent charity. Something like 87% of the money they collect is used for programs.
Dimocrats have nominated an ultra-liberal black Chicago social worker, kinda like Carter in 76...
Lubyanka | 05.10.08 - 5:56 am
Ultra-liberal?
Why Lubey his middle name is "Hussein" didn't you hear? He doesn't wear a lapel pin and is a laughably poor bowler.
What difference does it make that he is an "ultra-liberal"?
I thought you had enough reasons for conservatives not to like him already?
ql, at Charity Navigator they get 4 stars. So does the Red Cross.
Gimlet, what the morons mean is, he's black, no way will he get the winger votes. period.
No reason to read a distorted parody of Bob Herbert, when you can read the real thing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/1....html?th&
emc=th
Lord, I'll be glad when the dueling nurses ads go bye-bye.
Lubey
These are the issues that matter to conservatives. Get with the program.
On Wednesday afternoon, the House had just voted, 412 to 0, to pass H. Res. 1113, "Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day," when Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), rose in protest.
"Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote," he announced.
This time, 178 Republicans cast their votes against mothers.
Lubey check with your Congressional representative and get on the blogs in protest.
Mothers Day! This is more important than a flag-burning Amendment and Conservatives aren't going to take it anymore!
Nice, Herbert. reminds me of Dr. Seuss, Hop on Pop for slop on top.
Per MSNBC: US-backed forces have launched an operation against "Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq's last urban stronghold in Mosul."
Mothers are tired of the wingers in the basement in their jammies.
plantsman, it's the Surge. and Surge II and III and IV and V, and don't forget Samarra. In Afghanistan it's the Spring offensive. happens every spring.
It's not working, whatever you call it.
Dat Herbert op-ed is not too kind. Also, the US policy of whack-a-mole in Iraq seems more for a carnival than a foreign policy. And I hope it rains frogs today at Crawford.
Whew! Weather.com predicts one scorching day in the next 10, at 88 degrees. We'll see.
And I hope it rains frogs today at Crawford.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
This can only be good news for Republicans.
I so hope they don't carry the wedding live on cable.
Giggles last night, there was some footage with patter behind it saying the wedding dress was by ... whoever, and the dress was brilliant red that they were showing. That would be worth watching.
Bill Moyers last night did a great show about the 'bad apples' being at the top, not those lowly troops that got beat up.
Giggles last night, there was some footage with patter behind it saying the wedding dress was by ... whoever, and the dress was brilliant red that they were showing. That would be worth watching.
All the assembled GOP liminaries. Think of the imagery. What better place for such an event than a remodeled "pig farm"?
Bill Moyers last night did a great show about the 'bad apples' being at the top, not those lowly troops that got beat up.
Wait, you mean that US foreign policy was set by Feith, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush, and not by some military grunts who went off the reservation? That's unpossible!
Richard Attenborough showing boobies on my teebee.
I wonder how Molly's chicks are doing.
Calling all Woots!
19 last time I asked, perhaps we can ask her soon.
Pig farm with limestone cross trough. lovin' it.
No! liebniz. No one could have anticipated that the troops would follow orders. unheard of.
Got a half pork loin to roast, and few groovy spices for it. Fresh head of garlic, though......
Ruth
You see a pig farm and a limestone cross. Andres Serrano sees art there somewhere.
Epochal news, Edcouch TX rescinded a 1931 law that required /Spanish or Mexican residents from occupying any building on the American side of FM 1015. really, it's in the Dallas Morning News editorials.
So, apparently Arianna being rough on Timmeh in her latest book got her tossed off NBC and MSNBC, where she'd become something of a fixture.
That's the kind of snit I'd have expected from Tweety.
In Salem there were 'crushing stones' tp prove you were a witch, that's what the limestone cross reminds me of.
I love the "Sinkhole de Mayo" in Daisetta.
In Salem there were 'crushing stones' tp prove you were a witch, that's what the limestone cross reminds me of.
Ruth
Maybe some political wit will place an image of Calvin with a garden hose next to it.
hey peeps
Wonder if Jenna has a Tiffany dunking chair all picked out?
Sigh. Mugabe still manipulating things in Zimbabwe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/afric...ica/
7393629.stm
The dunking chair will be fetching all bedecked in those brambles. and hose.
.....in that Korean Air/Tiffany Blue!
hi, trifecta. we were just talking peeps. I have boobies on my teebee, thanks to Richard Attenborough.
Sorry I'm so obsessed with this roast, but I'll be eating on it for over a week so I don't want it to be awful.
Roasts, used to cut little slits in them and insert garlic buds. Love garlic.
Does Cindy Sheehan still have a camp down the road from the Crawford WH?
No, Gimlet, she gave it up. went back to CA to run against Nancy Pelosi.
Ms. Sheehan bought property in Crawford, I thought I heard.
I wanted Fresh Rosemary, but it wasn't in the budget, and it wasn't until the last few years that reliably hardy varieties could be grown here. Saw a bush yesterday, but it was too late to stop the bus....
plantsman, I haven't looked it up but I understood a local had loaned her a piece of land for her ranch, and that she gave it back. but I could be wrong.
Several people have corroborated Arianna's report of Huggy saying he didn't vote for George Bush in 2000 at a party; so as Keith said last night, "Either he was lying then, or he's lying now denying he said it."
I could very easily be wrong myself, Ruth.
warren Buffett is going to do a cameo on a tv show called "All My Billionaires' according to Maria Barfarama. that's sad.
Bree Walker bought the property in Crawford for Cindy Sheehan's group.
Bree Walker is a former LA newscaster.
Maria makes the word "biznezz" sound smutty.
NYT
Herbert today, wow.
just WOW
trifecta, good on you for getting us facts. I didn't follow the Cindy stuff very much.
wow and sheets
Bob Herbert just reinforced our twisted liberal asinine opinion anyone who tries to talk about race is automatically a racist.
Then piled on the conventional mountain of shit contempt for people like the Clintons who have no class.
Unlike secure in the box calumnious columnists.
Elitism sucks.
el, yeh, him and Ann Coulter get themselves some attention.
Maria B. gives me a snit insisting that if we just keep on buying, the 'basics are sound'. barf.
Damn you YouTube!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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