Making nouises about "fixing" Social Security, planning to expand the size of the military, and now saber-rattling against Iran and crafting Iran divestment bills.
What motivates Obama to move Right so early?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
05.17.07 - 9:09 am | #
The repubs did a lot of clapping louder at the debate the other night, and for really stupid or scary things.
formerrepub |
05.17.07 - 9:09 am | #
Salusa Secundus!
Aye and we should change the name of the White House to Giedi Prime until 2008.
GP |
05.17.07 - 9:09 am | #
tena slanties!
trifecta |
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05.17.07 - 9:09 am | #
They arrested someone for killing those gay guys. He crossed over the border and killed someone else (allegedly) in New York State. They nabbed him in Texas, trying to cross into Mexico.
Moe Szyslak |
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05.17.07 - 9:09 am | #
In 25+ years, the only incident I can think of was one coworker who gave me the Bush/Merkel shoulder massage a couple times. I reacted pretty much like she did.
Being one of those male 25+ years IT guys, it's funny that the only time I had anything "out of the ordinary" happened to me was when, years ago, a woman boss I had came up behind me while I was working and started giving me the Merkel Rub. I remember stopping, looking over my shoulder and saying, "What do you need?" and she just stopped and walked away.
There was also a time when I was working in Chicago and a female colleague asked if I'd like to come back to her place for a bottle of wine, but I didn't really consider that harassment.
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.17.07 - 9:09 am | #
Francois Fillon, a key ally of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has been appointed the country's new prime minister in a ceremony in Paris.
Mr Fillon, 53, a moderate conservative senator, helped direct Mr Sarkozy's successful election campaign.
He is expected to play a leading role in the president's plans to reform France's employment and welfare laws.
When Tinkerbell croaks, it will all be the liberals fault...
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
Wonder if chimpy's thinkin' his higher father turned out to be as big a bastard as his lower father...?
War On War Off |
05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
tena always gets slanties.
Barndog, alpha hippy |
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05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
Fuck U haloscan!
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
What motivates Obama to move Right so early?
I diagnose a severe case of DLC political advisors.
sister of ye |
05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
Uh, they're calling for 10 centimetres on Prince Edward Island.
Moe Szyslak
Well, it could be a wildfire in the Okeefenokee swamp.
Rmj, Vox Threaduli |
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05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
"heh-heh, Git out the family atomics" -- George Bush
plantsman, plant geek |
05.17.07 - 9:10 am | #
Crap.
When did the Iraqi insurgency get artillery?
Baghdad, May 17, (VOI) – A U.S. helicopter was destroyed, while damage was reported to nine others in an artillery attack on Sunday on the Taji Camp, north of Baghdad, a source close to the Multi-National Force in Iraq (MNF) said.
"The ten helicopters were landed at the camp," the source, who requested his name not be mentioned, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI) today.
According to the source, an official spokesman for the U.S. defense department confirmed the attack today.
However, the source did not indicate whether any casualties arose from the attack, or refer to the group behind it.
This is the first time for the U.S. army to announce the destruction of some of its helicopters, which were landed at one of its bases, as a result of a missile or artillery attack since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Reuters photo
Moonbootica, Jog On! |
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05.17.07 - 9:12 am | #
When did the Iraqi insurgency get artillery?
I assume they are talking about mortars, which have already been part of the 'dead-enders' arsenal.
The Kenosha Kid |
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05.17.07 - 9:12 am | #
a gift from iran, dontcha know????
jdw |
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05.17.07 - 9:13 am | #
I'd check our inventory stock and see if anything's missing.
Supreme Commander Thor
Saddam's army had tons of artillery, I'm sure they had access to it all along.
However, with American air superiority they have been unable to risk taking the time to set up and sight said artillery.
No more, apparently. If you think the recent mortar attacks on the Green Zone have been bad you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:14 am | #
Our friend WGG still chafes in his inability to post: here's his e-mail
fwiw...
i won't be around much today, anyway; cuz i have a little job this
morning...
still, i'm a bit frustrated...clearly have no 'right' to post on that
site...
i'd just like to know wtf is going on...
Can anyone help the poor shitwhistle come in from the cold?
ProfWombat |
05.17.07 - 9:14 am | #
When did the Iraqi insurgency get artillery?
That's what happens when they's our good buddies by day and our bitter enemies at night...
War On War Off |
05.17.07 - 9:14 am | #
Prince Harry could still be sent to Iraq at a future date, the Ministry of Defence said today.
The news came as military experts questioned whether the third in line to the throne could have any future in the army if he stayed at home.
"hmmm, wait. Did I do the conversion right?
Bad Art"
that's width, baby. like the commedian says, it looks like a cheese wheel...
jdw |
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05.17.07 - 9:15 am | #
I have this unsual power over Tena.
Holden Caulfield
how does that go? - wacka wow wacka wacka wow?
Tena |
Homepage |
05.17.07 - 9:15 am | #
Clapping Louder
A brief reminder that it is not actually a viable strategy for success. Anywhere.
Except maybe for gospel singing.
Lime Rickey |
05.17.07 - 9:15 am | #
Prince Harry has a future in the tabs.
plantsman, plant geek |
05.17.07 - 9:16 am | #
was clapping louder ever a good option?
not only do the assholes and idiots run shit, but they never learn, never grow up, never 'get it'.
if i were king, they'd be ostracized or removed of their citizenship for being traitors
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:16 am | #
A U.S. helicopter was destroyed, while damage was reported to nine others in an artillery attack on Sunday on the Taji Camp, north of Baghdad, a source close to the Multi-National Force in Iraq
well, there goes one exit strategy...
linda |
05.17.07 - 9:16 am | #
They've been firing artillery into the Green Zone for quite some time.
plantsman, plant geek
Not really. They've been peppering it with mortar fire and rockets, but not true artillery.
An eight-pound mortar bomb is basically a lady finger compared to a 155mm artillery shell.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:17 am | #
Prince Harry could join the Texas Air National Guard...
War On War Off |
05.17.07 - 9:17 am | #
how does that go? - wacka wow wacka wacka wow?
Tena
Close, but I think you could benefit from some private lessons.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:17 am | #
Finny - that job can be based in Calgary too. I think I will go ahead and apply - it's a nice job for an historian (tho they took away extra credit for a doctorate, which is weird.)
I know of several men who have been fired for "sexual harrassment" for telling jokes in mixed company. It always pisses me off that the pearl-clutchers turn it into one of those "PC issues" when the real problem is with aggressive and coercive sexual advances or just downright humiliation practiced by the real harrassers, who generally seem to get away with it.
I've always been of the opinion that it's only really harrassment if they persist in it after being warned that it is not welcome. Sure, men should know better than to put hands on the women they work with (or vice-versa) but I think even in most of those cases, the intent is playful rather than malevolent. A warning that it is unwelcome will keep it from occuring again in the vast majority of cases. Which is why the women who run crying because they heard an off-color joke really piss me off...I don't think a guy should lose his job just for one stupid joke, and I have to really wonder what the fuck is wrong with a woman who would try to get him fired for such a thing.
Jennifer |
05.17.07 - 9:18 am | #
if i were king, they'd be ostracized or removed of their citizenship for being traitors
Just a start in my world.
Barndog, alpha hippy |
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05.17.07 - 9:18 am | #
Wasn't it confirmed a while back that the insurgency is more than paying for itself with diverted oil?
Moe Szyslak |
can't pollute my beautiful mind with thinking there is crime on the iraq oil fields
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:18 am | #
I thought Harry said if he wasn't sent to Iraq he was going to leave the Army.
gonzolib |
05.17.07 - 9:18 am | #
BAGHDAD - The bodies of 30 people, all of them shot, were found in various parts of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
05.17.07 - 9:19 am | #
Can't see Prince Harry in a Tailhook convention, myself. He sounds like he's trying to do the right thing, actually...
ProfWombat |
05.17.07 - 9:19 am | #
Dear Dog,
The Prince Harry story unfolded exactly as it was planned to, in every detail. Just like the Anna Nicole death-a-thon.
plantsman, plant geek |
05.17.07 - 9:19 am | #
An eight-pound mortar bomb is basically a lady finger compared to a 155mm artillery shell
Like, throwing firecrackers as opposed to say - 2800 pound blocks of C-4 high explosive. Tossing it upwards of 35 miles type thing.
Barndog, alpha hippy |
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05.17.07 - 9:20 am | #
"Sprawling street battles"
Sprawling street battles between militia gunmen and Iraqi security forces erupted in three cities on Wednesday on a day of wide-ranging violence that underscored the grave security situation across much of Iraq.
In the northern city of Mosul, more than 200 Sunni Arab insurgents carried out a sophisticated attack on several targets using suicide car bombers, rocket-propelled grenades, assault rifles and improvised bombs, said Major General Watheq al-Hamdani, the top police commander in Mosul.
[snip]
Earlier in the day, in the southern city of Diwaniya, scores of militiamen loyal to the Shiite cleric Mokatada al-Sadr fought street battles against Iraqi soldiers as government security forces swept into militia strongholds as part of a government crackdown, local officials said.
At least 11 people — eight civilians, two police officers and one solider — were wounded in the fighting, which raged for seven hours and by some official estimates involved as many as 200 militia members, police and army commanders said. As the clashes worsened, the provincial governor moved his family to safety in Iran, a police commander said.
[snip]
News agencies reported that similar clashes, pitting the Iraqi police against Mahdi militiamen angry about the arrest of two of their members, broke out late Tuesday in Nasiriya, about 120 miles southeast of Diwaniya, and continued into the early morning hours on Wednesday. At least nine Iraqis were killed and 75 wounded in the fighting, The Associated Press reported.
Few other regions across Iraq were untouched by violence on Wednesday.
Wasn't it confirmed a while back that the insurgency is more than paying for itself with diverted oil?
Moe Szyslak |
can't pollute my beautiful mind with thinking there is crime on the iraq oil fields
mogwai
This is the first time I have heard Halliburton called part of the insurgency.
GP |
05.17.07 - 9:20 am | #
"Artillery" probably means light mortars, not cannon. Light enough for 2-3 people to move within range of, say, an air base or the Emerald City, pump out a few rounds, then skedaddle.
The perfect weapon for an insurgency, in fact.
Hedley Lamarr |
05.17.07 - 9:20 am | #
Millions of people will be endangered by up to 132m cluster bomblets that have not yet exploded, causing lasting economic and social harm to communities in more than 20 countries for decades to come, a leading charity warned yesterday.
Handicap International studied data from nine countries most heavily affected by the weapon and found that about 440m cluster bomblets had been dropped there since 1965. Based on failure rates of 5-30%, the group estimated that 22m-132m of the devices remain unexploded.
Jennifer...some people just don't have common sense about what is appropriate. My boss made some crack about Catholics once, and I said, "Now is a good time I suppose to tell you that I'm Catholic" He hemmed and hawed something about being friends with the local bishop. I just said, "I'm sure you are. Have you told him that joke/"
gonzolib |
05.17.07 - 9:21 am | #
Ah yes, cluster bombs. The gift that keeps on giving.
gonzolib |
05.17.07 - 9:22 am | #
Can anyone help the poor shitwhistle come in from the cold?
ProfWombat
This happens to him on such a regular basis it's clearly one of those intertube things.
I.e., something about his IP (or something!) that Haloscan particularly doesn't like. It's unfortunate, but I've never thought it was personal.
Rmj, Vox Threaduli |
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05.17.07 - 9:22 am | #
According to the BBC, a UK foreign policy think tank Chatham House has released a comprehensive report on Iraq which found that there is not just a civil war in Iraq, there are many civil wars going on as various groups compete for local control in the absence of a viable national government. Basically, its just a fucking mess.
cosmic tumbler |
05.17.07 - 9:23 am | #
This is the first time I have heard Halliburton called part of the insurgency.
GP |
profit-making knows no national boundaries, nor does it know political boundaries, neither does it know caring or doing the right thing...profit-making is an end to itself
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:23 am | #
"BAGHDAD - The bodies of 30 people, all of them shot, were found in various parts of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said."
But that's not sectarian violence.
Or maybe it is. Wait; which one of those is supposed to be worse?
Rmj, Vox Threaduli |
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05.17.07 - 9:24 am | #
profit-making knows no national boundaries, nor does it know political boundaries, neither does it know caring or doing the right thing...profit-making is an end to itself
mogwai
That is totally and completely true.
*sigh* what now, halo?
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:24 am | #
Zack Space on C-Span, I wonder if anyone will ask him about his vote against the McGovern amendment last Thursday?
pixie |
05.17.07 - 9:24 am | #
He sounds like he's trying to do the right thing, actually...
ProfWombat
I suspect he suffers from the same illusions of granduer most 14+ year olds in the US do.
Talking with some of the boys in my older daughters class..they seem to have this ideal of what War is like and talk really big about "blowing up terrorists."
I suspect most of the kids who sign up to go to Irq have the same level of disallusionment once they get there and discover what they thought it would be like is totally different and now they are stuck.
It's unfortunate for those kids that they don't have a queen to save them from their delusions. I feel for each of them.
myrna frap |
05.17.07 - 9:25 am | #
Ah yes, cluster bombs. The gift that keeps on giving.
and don't forget landmines, the scourge of angola, cambodia and afghanistan...
(oh, and fuck haloscan)
linda |
05.17.07 - 9:25 am | #
Come Judgement Day, when the fundies say we'll all be reunited with our bodies, Napoleon's gonna be looking for Perfesser Lattimer. And he's not gonna be happy.
THE owner of Napoleon’s penis died last Thursday in Englewood, N.J. John K. Lattimer, who’d been a Columbia University professor and a collector of military (and some macabre) relics, also possessed Lincoln’s blood-stained collar and Hermann Göring’s cyanide ampoule.
"Artillery" probably means light mortars, not cannon. Light enough for 2-3 people to move within range of, say, an air base or the Emerald City, pump out a few rounds, then skedaddle.
The perfect weapon for an insurgency, in fact.
Hedley Lamarr
Incredibly risky. With so many US helicopter gunships in the country, with their advanced infrared targetting computers, I wouldn't want to be a member of a gun crew that had to schlep even a pack howitzer around after firing a round or two at a US base.
But then again, I wouldn't blow myself up for the jihad so it's hard to reconcile the motivations of individual insurgents.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:25 am | #
A brief reminder that it is not actually a viable strategy for success.
Neither is wanking harder.
R. McGeddon |
05.17.07 - 9:26 am | #
RMJ: that's my guess, too; my IT naivete precludes even informed speculation, but it's hard to see his banning due to comments not dissimilar from those of others, though with his own inimitable style...
While I've got you on the phone, did you see the clip of Hitchens on Falwell? Hitchens made the claim that Falwell was an entire charlatan, who did everything out of greed and political gain and nothing out of faith. Far be it from me to defend Falwell, but even I wouldn't have gone that far...
ProfWombat |
05.17.07 - 9:26 am | #
BAGHDAD, Nov. 25 — The insurgency in Iraq is now self-sustaining financially, raising tens of millions of dollars a year from oil smuggling, kidnapping, counterfeiting, connivance by corrupt Islamic charities and other crimes that the Iraqi government and its American patrons have been largely unable to prevent, a classified United States government report has concluded.
The report, obtained by The New York Times, estimates that groups responsible for many insurgent and terrorist attacks are raising $70 million to $200 million a year from illegal activities. It says $25 million to $100 million of that comes from oil smuggling and other criminal activity involving the state-owned oil industry, aided by “corrupt and complicit” Iraqi officials.
Moe Szyslak |
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05.17.07 - 9:27 am | #
Try clicking your heels together then, it worked for Dorothy
Nancy Willing |
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05.17.07 - 9:28 am | #
I suspect he suffers from the same illusions of granduer most 14+ year olds in the US do.
I assumed just the opposite; that he didn't want his position in British society to shield him from going to war.
But in fact, he'd need more body guards than McCain had in Baghdad, just because he'd be such a target. As a target, he'd actually put many other men and women around him in greater danger than they'd face otherwise, as they would become targets, too (simply because they were in the way of someone seeking to get Harry).
The decision to not send him was a military one, from what I understand; and it makes sense to me.
Rmj, Vox Threaduli |
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05.17.07 - 9:28 am | #
Neither is wanking harder.
R. McGeddon
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oh, but it feels so good
Nancy Willing |
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05.17.07 - 9:28 am | #
But then again, I wouldn't blow myself up for the jihad so it's hard to reconcile the motivations of individual insurgents.
Holden Caulfield
I know the answer to this - it's Coocoo, but wouldn't one have thought that someone would learn something from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? Something like: you can't fight a war against people who are perfectly willing to become suicide bombers.
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:28 am | #
BAGHDAD - The bodies of 30 people, all of them shot, were found in various parts of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
ok I'll stop bitchin about Jericho getting cancelled.
Nothing like a heaping helping of perspective.
myrna frap |
05.17.07 - 9:28 am | #
While I've got you on the phone, did you see the clip of Hitchens on Falwell? Hitchens made the claim that Falwell was an entire charlatan, who did everything out of greed and political gain and nothing out of faith. Far be it from me to defend Falwell, but even I wouldn't have gone that far...
ProfWombat | 05.17.07 - 9:26 am | #
Regardless of making sense for once, Hitchens is a drunk. A big stupid drunk. (sang to the Three Blind Mice melody)
Gilly Gonzylon |
05.17.07 - 9:29 am | #
While I've got you on the phone, did you see the clip of Hitchens on Falwell? Hitchens made the claim that Falwell was an entire charlatan, who did everything out of greed and political gain and nothing out of faith. Far be it from me to defend Falwell, but even I wouldn't have gone that far...
ProfWombat
Scout put up a clip of Hitch on Hannnity and Combs over at ye olde home page in which he was absolutely devastating.
His best line comes at the end: "If they gave Falwell an enema he could be buried in a matchbox."
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:29 am | #
Moe...damn. Next thing you know, those insurgents will become Republicans.
gonzolib |
05.17.07 - 9:29 am | #
BAGHDAD, Nov. 25 — The insurgency in Iraq is now self-sustaining financially, raising tens of millions of dollars a year from oil smuggling, kidnapping, counterfeiting
And don't forget bake sales.
R. McGeddon |
05.17.07 - 9:29 am | #
I just can't take Hitchens seriously, to me he lost all respect and cred when he decided to cheer the 'war on terror' and the 'war in Iraq'
Moonbootica, Jog On! |
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05.17.07 - 9:30 am | #
Like the rain forests, Falwell was a pretty good carbon sink. But just like cutting down the rain forests, his death will result in the loss of that sink. I figure something like 75 pounds worth of CO2.
Moe Szyslak |
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05.17.07 - 9:30 am | #
First!!
...wait a minute. What the hell are you all doing here?
"Zero" comments, my ass.
SteveLG |
05.17.07 - 9:30 am | #
i emailed woody - he is not around today too much. I asked him to either try someone's else ISP or try a library computer. That would verify that it was the IP address that was banned...
next step would be DHCP renew to try and get a different IP address
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:30 am | #
The insurgency in Iraq is now self-sustaining financially, raising tens of millions of dollars a year from oil smuggling, kidnapping, counterfeiting
And don't forget bake sales.
Plus the high school cheerleaders in their burkas car washes--
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.17.07 - 9:31 am | #
Um - I don't actually think that 'delusions of grandeur' would apply to someone who is actually the next Heir Presumptive to the British Crown and a Prince of England....
And it's almost physically painful to read the excerpt from Our Al's book - so clean and smart and true it is.
..
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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05.17.07 - 9:31 am | #
The insurgency in Iraq is now self-sustaining financially, raising tens of millions of dollars a year from oil smuggling, kidnapping, counterfeiting, connivance by corrupt Islamic charities and other crimes that the Iraqi government and its American patrons have been largely unable to prevent, a classified United States government report has concluded.
“There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people…and on a rough recollection, the oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years…We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”
Paul Wolfowitz, March 27, 2003.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:31 am | #
His best line comes at the end: "If they gave Falwell an enema he could be buried in a matchbox."
Holden Caulfield
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FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!
so what is the deal with Hitchie? I guess he needs to sell some books to pay his bar tab.
god it is bizarre as hell how Timmeh's face has grown to look just like Falwell's like people who grow to look like their spouse or their dog.
Nancy Willing |
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05.17.07 - 9:32 am | #
see if we didn't have a monarchy, we wouldn't have this issue over Prince Harry
Moonbootica, Jog On! |
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05.17.07 - 9:32 am | #
re: profit-- according to Wm Manchester's book about the Krupp arms mfg. family, during WWI they kept records for an eventual payment of patent royalties they'd pay British mfgs after the politicians settled the war-- & vice versa, no doubt... in other words, paying the Brits to use German technology to blow up Germans... lovely.
nick carraway |
05.17.07 - 9:32 am | #
While I've got you on the phone, did you see the clip of Hitchens on Falwell? Hitchens made the claim that Falwell was an entire charlatan, who did everything out of greed and political gain and nothing out of faith. Far be it from me to defend Falwell, but even I wouldn't have gone that far...
ProfWombat | 05.17.07 - 9:26 am | #
Regardless of making sense for once, Hitchens is a drunk. A big stupid drunk. (sang to the Three Blind Mice melody)
Gilly Gonzylon
Really, Prof? Cause I would.
He was a televangelist. Let me just say again: There is no such thing as an honest televangelist.
Seriously - he was a con man. End of fucking story.
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:32 am | #
"Zero" comments, my ass.
SteveLG
"Zero comments" is Haloscan doing wishful thinking. It keeps coming up with lame excuses not to post comments, so we have to conclude that zero comments is what it aspires to.
R. McGeddon |
05.17.07 - 9:33 am | #
Two bomb blasts minutes apart on a road in the southern city of Kandahar have killed several police officers and wounded many people, Al Jazeera says.
First, a remote control bomb blast killed four officers inside a police vehicle on Thursday, Gul Zaman, the police official, said.
About 15 minutes later, a secondary blast hit police attending to the wreckage of the first bomb, killing another six policemen and wounding five, Zaman said.
so what is the deal with Hitchie? I guess he needs to sell some books to pay his bar tab.
god it is bizarre as hell how Timmeh's face has grown to look just like Falwell's like people who grow to look like their spouse or their dog.
Nancy Willing
DOn't know what Hitch's deal is, other than alcoholism.
Ralph Reed was also on the show with Hitch. Every time Reed tried to speak Hitch would make an alusion to his dealings with Jack Abarmoff.
"Tell it to your friend Jack Abramoff."
"Let's hear from the Abramoff faction."
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:35 am | #
Jeevan says he's chaning the Haloscan code tomorrow. Either everything will work brilliantly, or it won't.
Moe Szyslak |
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05.17.07 - 9:35 am | #
i hate hitch too, but his smackdown of falwell was excellent - makes it sweeter that it came from a rightard
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:36 am | #
changing the code.
Moe Szyslak |
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05.17.07 - 9:36 am | #
Tena: you're probably right. Calling a high-tech TV/computerized late 20th century fund-raising enterprise the 'Old Time Gospel Hour' should have led me to that conclusion...
ProfWombat |
05.17.07 - 9:37 am | #
Something like: you can't fight a war against people who are perfectly willing to become suicide bombers.
If you live in a place where you literally have nothing left to lose, then yeah, why not?
War On War Off |
05.17.07 - 9:37 am | #
Choose your words: majestic, magnificent, splendid, superb. Two cranes - among Europe's most imposing wild birds - stand on the alert near their nest at Lakenheath in Suffolk.
They have returned to breed in England's fenland for the first time in 400 years, to the surprise and delight of birdwatchers, and the particular satisfaction of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB), which owns the land on which they are nesting.
The RSPB has transformed what was a carrot field 11 years ago into a square mile of fen and marsh - and a thriving wetland nature reserve, whose visitor centre opens today.
Bush still President, Falwell still in hell?
steve simels |
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05.17.07 - 9:38 am | #
Televangelists, tent revivalists - I've seen them all come and go because we are plagued with them here.
I know these people inside out - I've seen too many of them and they've mostly gotten busted before it was all said and done.
He was a goddamn crook. They all are, without exception.
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:38 am | #
Hitchens has a new book out attacking religion so his rant against Falwell, most of which is accurate, is a way of promoting sales of the book.
cosmic tumbler |
05.17.07 - 9:38 am | #
Jeevan says he's chaning the Haloscan code tomorrow. Either everything will work brilliantly, or it won't.
Moe Szyslak |
when you hear the words 'code changing' run for the hills!
LOL, but when that comes in response to shit not working, we may have hope
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:38 am | #
"Tell it to your friend Jack Abramoff."
"Let's hear from the Abramoff faction."
Holden Caulfield
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well, thusly Hitchie serves a purpose, slamming those corrupt GOPer fucks while positioning himself to their left. Hitchie shills his way back into left field.
! NOT !
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05.17.07 - 9:39 am | #
Ralph Reed was also on the show with Hitch. Every time Reed tried to speak Hitch would make an alusion to his dealings with Jack Abarmoff.
"Tell it to your friend Jack Abramoff."
"Let's hear from the Abramoff faction."
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 05.17.07 - 9:35 am | #
Hitchens sucks, but that is absolutely priceless.
Hah!
steve simels |
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05.17.07 - 9:40 am | #
Hitchens has a new book out attacking religion so his rant against Falwell, most of which is accurate, is a way of promoting sales of the book.
cosmic tumbler
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WGG get locked out again? Seems to happen to him a lot.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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05.17.07 - 9:40 am | #
I think it was Solzhenitsyn had the story about the party congress where applause after Stalin's speech went on and on, everyone afraid of stopping. Finally, after 45 minutes, some guy stops and everyone else can stop. He disappears into jail soon after.
rootless2, pelagic desert |
05.17.07 - 9:40 am | #
Speaking of Canada, I'm talking into one of those red poppy bugged quarters right now.
Mounties, can you hear me?...can....you....hear....me....??
I don't think it works.
Seven Pound Perch |
05.17.07 - 9:40 am | #
Televangelists, tent revivalists - I've seen them all come and go because we are plagued with them here.
i have a sculptor friend who is doing busts of televangelists...he is a freeky-deeky artist living in idaho, but i cannot remember the name of one of the 'wives' who he did and her mouth is wide open like she is receiving the 'holy host' if you know what i mean....i am thinking of buying that piece!
mogwai |
05.17.07 - 9:41 am | #
Hitchens pointed out that Falwell wasn't "raptured" 'cause his {Falwell's} obese body was found in his office.
Lime Rickey |
05.17.07 - 9:41 am | #
Hitchens sucks, but that is absolutely priceless.
Hah!
steve simel
I agree.
I don't like Hitch. I'd just as soon see Jimmy Carter talking about Falwell, actually.
But Hitch is right about this.
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:41 am | #
Hey, Atrios! Toles stole your "nuke" joke about Wolfie!
drunken hausfrau |
05.17.07 - 9:41 am | #
well, thusly Hitchie serves a purpose, slamming those corrupt GOPer fucks while positioning himself to their left.
The entire civilized world is to teh left of today's GOP, even Hitch, despite his ridiculous war shilling, can see that in his soberer moments.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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05.17.07 - 9:42 am | #
Ralph Reed was also on the show with Hitch. Every time Reed tried to speak Hitch would make an alusion to his dealings with Jack Abarmoff.
"Tell it to your friend Jack Abramoff."
"Let's hear from the Abramoff faction."
Hey, be a drunk all you want. Go ahead and bash liberals if you must. But if your going make this a standard in your appearances on teevee, I'm going to support ya.
Has anyone done that kind of bashing on the majors?
smalfish |
05.17.07 - 9:42 am | #
I can't bring myself to say something nice about Hitchens alas
Moonbootica, Jog On! |
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Iraqi police and the US military have denied a car bomb that killed 32 people in a Shia enclave north-east of Baghdad on Tuesday night contained chlorine gas.
The attack occurred in the village of Abu Saydah in the volatile Diyala province. Residents of the farming village of 10,000 people said the attack appeared to be revenge for a confrontation a month ago in which local people killed 12 al-Qa'ida fighters. They said residents received threats to leave the village or face death. Kadim Hussein, a 45-year-old farmer who was taken to a hospital in Sadr City after the attack, said: "My eyes became puffy due to the chlorine gas that was packed in the car bomb. Also, I had many pieces of shrapnel in my chest and right shoulder."
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Senior World Bank officials told CNN on Thursday that they expect Paul Wolfowitz, the organization's president, to announce his resignation "soon."
Just fire his sorry ass already.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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05.17.07 - 9:44 am | #
Mounties, can you hear me?...can....you....hear....me....??
Mounties can you see me?
smalfish |
05.17.07 - 9:44 am | #
Moonie: you should go into advertising. You gave a big sell of a bird but never said what it was so I had to go to your link to find out. Clever.
Bad Art (not my real talent) |
05.17.07 - 9:45 am | #
Haloscan is really beginning to piss me off.
So I'll repeat:
Tena is spot on about the inherent dishonesty of televangelists. Con men, all.
Anybody who doubts that should re-read "Elmer Gantry" or rent a copy of "Marjoe."
steve simels |
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05.17.07 - 9:45 am | #
He was a goddamn crook. They all are, without exception.
Tena
tcm has on a semi-regular rotation those great movies like elmer gantry, that remind me of this country's very long history of religious hucksters. i find that somewhat reassuring that we will get thru this period too. although there have been moments when i wonder..
linda |
05.17.07 - 9:45 am | #
Thank God - my hands were really starting to hurt.
ignoreland |
05.17.07 - 9:46 am | #
What kind of cranes?
Bad Art (not my real talent) |
05.17.07 - 9:46 am | #
Tena is spot on about the inherent dishonesty of televangelists. Con men, all.
That may well be the oldest con game in America. I would not be surprised to find that was so.
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:46 am | #
my brother was just telling me that his daughter went for her 2 year check up, and apparently she has quite advanced skills for a 2 year old, a good sign.
so he was very pleased .
Moonbootica, Jog On! |
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05.17.07 - 9:47 am | #
Not one civil war, but many. Oy.
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK foreign policy think tank Chatham House says. Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and irrelevant in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a major change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's neighbours more.
[snip]
The Chatham House report, written by Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East expert, is unremittingly bleak, says BBC diplomatic correspondent James Robbins.
Mr Stansfield argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming increasingly likely. In large parts of the country, the Iraqi government is powerless, he says, as rival factions struggle for local supremacy.
The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, says: "There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies involving a number of communities and organisations struggling for power."
my graduation ceremony is with the Meeja (Media) students.
all the luvies
Moonbootica, Jog On! |
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05.17.07 - 9:47 am | #
That may well be the oldest con game in America. I would not be surprised to find that was so.
Modern day snake oil salesmen.
smalfish |
05.17.07 - 9:48 am | #
Not televangelists, just revivalists and evangelists.
That's what Mormonism is, essentially.
jeevan, dammit - o fuck the 20 second rule - jeesus!
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:48 am | #
That may well be the oldest con game in America. I would not be surprised to find that was so.
Tena
That and the sale of worthless, tainted and/or dangerous products.
Lindsay |
05.17.07 - 9:48 am | #
"Tell it to your friend Jack Abramoff."
"Let's hear from the Abramoff faction."
Holden Caulfield
Ralph Reed deserves nothing better, but this is a low tactic worthy more of a twerp like Hannity than an Oxford scholar. It's like arguing with Rudy about 9/11 and only dwelling on his cross-dressing.
While I agree with Hitchens's take on religion, he seems to be using Ann Coulter-like provocation to sell his book. So if I ever do read it, the copy will come from my local library.
R. McGeddon |
05.17.07 - 9:48 am | #
i find that somewhat reassuring that we will get thru this period too.
Probably. But there's no reason to believe America is somehow fundamentally immune to the political and social disasters that have destroyed other societies.
Moe Szyslak |
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05.17.07 - 9:49 am | #
so he was very pleased .
Moonbootica,
O like Aunt Moon isn't pleased!
!!
You're so cute - you are such a good auntie!
Tena |
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05.17.07 - 9:49 am | #
So only drunkards are allowed to speak the truth on the tellie in modern America, or are they the only famous ones with the nerve to do it?
Bad Art (not my real talent) |
05.17.07 - 9:49 am | #
laterz all
Nancy Willing |
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05.17.07 - 9:49 am | #
owls what invented the internets!
Holden Caulfield |
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05.17.07 - 9:50 am | #
Speaking of televangelists, Andy Griffith was on Weekend Edition last Saturday, and talked about how he convinced Elia Kazan to cast him in "Face In the Crowd." Kazan had only known his work as a stand-up comedian, and didn't think he had the depth to do the part, so Griffith goes up and puts his hands on him a la Oral Roberts and "heals" him!
War On War Off |
05.17.07 - 9:50 am | #
i never could quite understand why Jeebus needed so much money from the poor, ignorant folks who watch televangelists.
My favorite (in the sense of appreciating how cynical it was), was the one where the tv preacher would tell you to lay your hands on his image on the teevee to be healed (after you sent in your $$- of course).
Barbarism Begins at Home |
05.17.07 - 9:50 am | #
Failed State
Not one civil war, but many. Oy.
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK foreign policy think tank Chatham House says. Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and irrelevant in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a major change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's neighbours more.
i hate hitch too, but his smackdown of falwell was excellent - makes it sweeter that it came from a rightard.
mogwai
What you are seeing is what I see among most of the Repuke friends I have. They have divided into factions within their own party. Conservatives. Religious zealots. Moderates.
The conservatives have turned on the religious reich. They feel that the "values" crowd have pushed their message out of the forefront of Republican ideaology and they are PISSED OFF.
The religious reich is about to experience the chickens coming home to roost.
No one can bash a rightie better than a republican.
myrna frap |
05.17.07 - 9:51 am | #
I know these people inside out - I've seen too many of them and they've mostly gotten busted before it was all said and done.
He was a goddamn crook. They all are, without exception.
I don't know if there are any Arkansans still here, but Huckabee is cut from the same cloth. His rise to power came after I'd moved away, but this cat has been on the take from the gitgo.
Fundemented preachers rely on their "flocks" to support them and many of them live very, very well on the "tithing" from said "flocks".
Billy B |
05.17.07 - 9:51 am | #
i find that somewhat reassuring that we will get thru this period too.
Probably. But there's no reason to believe America is somehow fundamentally immune to the political and social disasters that have destroyed other societies.
Of course we'll get thru this. It's called human spirit and the struggle to survive. But in the end the question is, what do we, as a society, look like on the other side?
smalfish |
05.17.07 - 9:51 am | #
TCM, as far as I can tell, ALWAYS shows movies in their original aspect, which makes them unique. Not even IFC or Sundance is completely reliable on this practice.
And I am goddamn tired of waiting for DirecTV to keep its HDTV promises.
Professor Wagstaff |
05.17.07 - 9:52 am | #
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday that he did not believe the growing number of mortgage defaults would seriously harm the economy.
Facing criticism from members of Congress about lax regulation, Bernanke also promised that the Fed would do everything possible to crack down on abuses that have put millions of homeowners in jeopardy of defaulting on their mortgages. ...
Clapping louder always works with a Clapper. Unless the battery's dead, of course. Then you just expire.
lol (little ol' lady) |
05.17.07 - 10:18 am | #
Hitchins - "in vino veritas"
I don't think anything as true as the matchbox line has been allowed on American TV in decades.
And, Chris, you got in bed with those pigs of your own free will.
rootless2 |
05.17.07 - 10:22 am | #
Wolfowitz wants world bank to have his name cleared of wrongdoing before he will resign. For cryin' out loud, his hubris is stunning. He's lied and cheated and now wants the world bank to lie for him. Didn't this man have parents who taught the basics of human dignity? Makes me made in the pit of my gut.
Citizen Seattle |
05.17.07 - 10:23 am | #
Okay, I'll temper the "Hitchens is a drunk" comment a bit. I do love that fake (I'm pretending like I'm not hyperventilating) look on Ralphie's face.
Gilly Gonzylon |
05.17.07 - 10:24 am | #
That weird "flock" metaphor christians use is bewildering. Flocks are of "sheep", animals known for their lack of smarts and propensity for panic. Sheep get "fleeced" or made into mutton or both. Is the whole thing pure mashochism?
rootless2 |
05.17.07 - 10:28 am | #
"Clapping Louder
A brief reminder that it is not actually a viable strategy for success. Anywhere."
What about trying to get a band to do another encore number?
Njorl |
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