Pakistan crumbling: good news for republicans
mogwai, cloud 9 dweller |
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12.29.07 - 10:51 am | #
Not first.
rorschach, meh |
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12.29.07 - 10:51 am | #
from two threads ago
The insurance companies will be slowly squeezed out. Realistically, you can't just say you're gonna do away with an entire industry. Most people fear big changes.
We are not doomed here people if Hillary gets the nomination. Things will not move as far to the left as we would like, but they'll improve about 98% over whatever policies the rethugs will try and enact.
And now off to retrieve the damn cat.
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12.29.07 - 10:52 am | #
Details!!
Phil Dutra |
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12.29.07 - 10:52 am | #
This kind of stuff would make me think the CIA took out Bhutto, but that can't be right since the CIA hates the Bush government.
puppethead |
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12.29.07 - 10:53 am | #
It didn't help that Mooshy wouldn't accept Chimpy's first phone call.
P O'Neill |
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12.29.07 - 10:53 am | #
It is quite possible to simultaneously believe that Benazir Bhutto's career was considerably less perfect than her public image, and also that her assassination is likely to have nothing but bad consequences for Pakistan and quite a few other places. I say this because you'd be surprised; opinion has already broken between uncritical Diana-isation by the mainstream media, politics, and large chunks of the blogosphere ranging all the way from angry feminists to Michelle Malkin, and cynical dismissal from the professionally snarky.
Let's pause and consider the political dynamics; the PPP was about the only political organisation in Pakistan with real popular support or public participation, and it looks very like it's going to die. (There's a rundown of no fewer than eight possible candidates here.) The organisation has declared 40 days of mourning, which can be read as 40 days of desperately trying to work out what to do and fighting over the bloody shawl. Nawaz Sharif is trying to muscle in on the role of popular opponent of the army regime; this is only going to make it worse.
That's the problem I see with a lot of the Democrats. Sure, compromise is necessary, but from my perspective, you stake out a strong position and compromise as political reality dictates. In the Clinton world, you compromise *as your position,* then when political reality pops up, you compromise again, and again, and again. Pretty soon you start adopting policies that look a whole lot like your "opposition's", but you lack any real conviction at all.
Moe, tree killing fairy |
12.29.07 - 10:54 am | #
There are elections, therefore there is political order and Democracy. The winner is always the true choice of the peoples and rightly rules the State.
Unless the US government doesn't like him/her.
Bad Art |
12.29.07 - 10:55 am | #
Kenyan election is getting the Florida 2000 treatment
The commander of a pro-Taliban group in Pakistan has told news agencies by phone that Baitullah Mehsud, another pro-Taliban figure, denies any involvement in Benazir Bhutto's death.
Maulana Omar said on Saturday: "He [Mehsud] had no involvement in this attack. This is a conspiracy of the government, army and intelligence agencies."
A Pakistani official had said on Friday it had evidence that Mehsud was responsible for the death of Bhutto, a former prime minister.
I'm part of Canadian health insurance. Pay into it, use it. For that, I'm Canadian.
Moe, tree killing fairy |
12.29.07 - 10:56 am | #
"They're trying to rush everything. This is a disaster," says Marvin Weinbaum, a former State Depratment official and current scholar at the Middle East Institute. "This is now our new game plan: We're working out a deal between Fahim and Musharraf after the election. They mention Fahim because they don't know any better. The fact is, she [Bhutto] didn't trust him."
Nobody could have predicted that our foreign policy would be so bad...again.
Jeebus, I'm tired of this.
Zap Rowsdower |
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12.29.07 - 10:56 am | #
The upshot is that the entire southern half of the country and a significant chunk of the big cities will be effectively disenfranchised; Sharif and Musharraf will be competing for the Punjab, and worse still, for the military. Only Zia was closer to the ISI, the jihadis and the Saudis than Nawaz Sharif; we're talking about the chap who (despite not being terribly devout) considered declaring sharia law and sent actual troops (rather than secret aid) to help the Taliban hold Kabul in 1998 when the Northerners retook the Shomali plain. An underreported feature of the current crisis is the Saudi lobbying campaign for him.
The elections might not now happen - probably for the best, as with Sharif boycotting and the PPP in a state of collapse, the only possible outcome would be a risibly unrepresentative cocktail of the Musharraf fanclub and NWFP religious nutters. However, the not-general would probably quite like such an outcome - it couldn't possibly work with 60+ per cent of the population excluded, but it would permit him to indulge his loathing of Nawaz Sharif and politicians generally and also appear to Stand Up For Democracy. Theatre is an under-remarked factor in his career.
No, they don't have a clue. Just as they had no better clue about Iraq than watching _Lawrence of Arabia_ a couple of times, nor of the post-Soviet Union than leftover pamphlets from the Birchers suggested. Liberty University is not notable for its political science and analysis - fealty is not really sufficient substitute for knowledge. This is what there is now.
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12.29.07 - 10:56 am | #
HICA!
Et by a goat; shat over a cliff.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism.
Vatican chiefs are concerned at what they see as an increased interest in the occult.
They have introduced courses for priests to combat what they call the most extreme form of "Godlessness."
Each bishop is to be told to have in his diocese a number of priests trained to fight demonic possession.
The initiative was revealed by 82-year-old Father Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican "exorcistinchief," to the online Catholic news service Petrus.
"Thanks be to God, we have a Pope who has decided to fight the Devil head-on," he said.
"Too many bishops are not taking this seriously and are not delegating their priests in the fight against the Devil. You have to hunt high and low for a properly trained exorcist.
"Thankfully, Benedict XVI believes in the existence and danger of evil - going back to the time he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith." The CDF is the oldest Vatican department and was headed by Benedict from 1982, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, until he became Pope in 2005.
rorschach, meh |
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12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
"They're trying to rush everything. This is a disaster," says Marvin Weinbaum, a former State Depratment official and current scholar at the Middle East Institute.
You expected something else from the Dumbya Karnival of Klowns?
Lime Rickey |
12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
This is usually the point where Mr. Snugglebunny sighs, shakes his head, and says,
"I'm so glad the C students are in charge. This should work out fine."
Snugglebunny |
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Pretty soon you start adopting policies that look a whole lot like your "opposition's", but you lack any real conviction at all.
Exactly. My opinion about Clinton to a tee.
cahuenga |
12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
On Thursday, within hours of Benazir Bhutto's assassination, State Department spokesman Tom Casey told reporters in Washington that his boss, Condoleezza Rice, had quickly made two calls
Is Bush so out of the loop that Rice didn't even bother to call him to discuss a course of action? Who told her to make either of those calls and who told her what the policy of this country was with regard to either call?
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12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
Pretty soon you start adopting policies that look a whole lot like your "opposition's", but you lack any real conviction at all.
Exactly. My opinion about Clinton to a tee.
cahuenga | 12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
me three
Moonbootica, Employed |
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12.29.07 - 10:57 am | #
Chanuncy Gardner/Pervez Musharraff, President of Pakistan, Unity Ticket 2008.
We don't understand why the U.S. is so unpopular when we're just trying to help.
Better try and help some more!!!!
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.29.07 - 10:58 am | #
Troops were sent into the streets of cities around Pakistan yesterday to quell rioting by supporters of Benazir Bhutto who blame the government for her assassination.
The interior ministry reported that initial results of an investigation suggested the Pakistan People's party leader had not been killed by bullets and shrapnel from a suicide bomb as initially thought, but by the shockwave from the blast throwing her against the reinforced sunroof of her official car as she tried to duck inside.
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The explanation and government claims that al-Qaida was responsible failed to appease tens of thousands of Bhutto's supporters who gathered to see her buried in her ancestral home of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh. She was laid to rest alongside her father, another former prime minister who was hanged by an earlier military regime, and her two brothers, who both died in mysterious circumstances.
Some of the mourners chanted "General, killer!" accusing the president and former army chief, Pervez Musharraf of abetting Bhutto's assassination.
I'm off to my lab, where I don't have to think about politics for a while. Good luck with your Revolution , for those who so desire it.
Tralfaz |
12.29.07 - 10:58 am | #
watch for plutonium devices stamped with "Made In Pakistan" being shuttled through Texas. The Mafia ... I mean our current administration made of criminals twisted perverts and toxic fundaMENTALists will step aside and let it happen just like they had no problem doing the same in Dallas years and years ago ... same people different day
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12.29.07 - 10:58 am | #
Oooh! That's what I need: A lab.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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12.29.07 - 10:59 am | #
It's because the sane people are calling for a postponement of the Pakistani elections.
So of course Cuckoo wants the insane choice.
HoneyBearKelly |
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12.29.07 - 10:59 am | #
And who would've thought that the most loathed man in the world, conducting global relations from is "ranch" in Bumblefuck, was literally phoning it in while an entire country implodes?
Zap Rowsdower |
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12.29.07 - 11:00 am | #
So blerb, you say pick any Dem candidate and then hope the Overton Window or pendulum starts to move back towards the Progressive side, slowly but surely. But in which direction and how quickly did that pendulum move during the 8 years that the Clenis was in office??? What makes you think that just any of these candidates could start it moving back the other way? Especially Mrs Clenis.
Bad Art |
12.29.07 - 11:00 am | #
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The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism."
They have a partnership with Best Buy. Geek Squad members will be cross training this year for this new in-home service.
EkCenTriK |
12.29.07 - 11:01 am | #
It's not that I look forward to it or anything, but it's just possible-- just barely, I mean, but possible-- that a nuclear bomb or 20 in the hands of a fundamentalist regime in Pakistan might actually lead to some stability and detente. I mean, to put the best possible spin on things. But probably not.
Moe, tree killing fairy |
12.29.07 - 11:01 am | #
It's because the sane people are calling for a postponement of the Pakistani elections.
So of course Cuckoo wants the insane choice.
I kin be a Mavrick too, heh heh. Buckin' convenshnal whizzdum.
Marcellina |
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12.29.07 - 11:01 am | #
Sure, compromise is necessary, but from my perspective, you stake out a strong position and compromise as political reality dictates.
The problem is that many Americans are subliminally conditioned not to vote for you if you bluntly advocate certain "strong" policy positions. Bizzarrely, they will in fact dislike you less for actually doing those things to them than they will dislike you for just talking about them.
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12.29.07 - 11:01 am | #
This kind of stuff would make me think the CIA took out Bhutto, but that can't be right since the CIA hates the Bush government.
puppethead
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Not necessarily. The CIA is a big-tent operation. Even assuming there are spooks who oppose the maladministration, I'd expect the agency to conduct business as usual along with any internecine battles they are willing and able to wage.
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12.29.07 - 11:01 am | #
Shrubco shortimers only care about preserving the economic strength of their pals...saving the entitlements of the rich
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12.29.07 - 11:01 am | #
Geek Squad members will be cross training this year for this new in-home service.
EkCenTriK
Gator is of the devil.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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12.29.07 - 11:02 am | #
The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism.
What about the young, nubile witches? Surely they can be tortured so that their dark secrets can be brought to light.
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One of Italy's most colourful priests and the founder of a network of drug rehabilitation centres is expected to be charged with sexually molesting young recovering addicts at the headquarters of his organisation near Perugia in Umbria.
Monsignor Pierino Gelmini, 82, is a household name in Italy, a strong supporter of the political centre-right and a frequent guest on television chat shows. Politicians have warmly reciprocated his support, and in 2005, the former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi famously handed over a cheque for 10 billion lire (equivalent to ¿1m) to the priest, known as Don Gelmini, on television for the charitable work of his organisation, Comunità Incontro.
Rarely mentioned during his television appearances is the fact that decades ago he was sent to jail for fraud, issuing dud cheques and other offences. And now another scandal appears to be beckoning.
The shadow of accusations of sexual abuse fell across Don Gelmini in the summer when it emerged that he was under investigation for allegedly exploiting some of the charges in his care. It was reported that one of them, Michele Iacobbe, now 34, had first filed a complaint against Don Gelmini in 2002. No action was taken, but he continued to complain about the priest's misbehaviour, which he said dated back to 1999.
Iraq's interior ministry spokesman said Saturday that 75 percent of al-Qaida in Iraq's terrorist network had been destroyed this year, but the top American commander in the country said the terror group remained his chief concern.
Moe, tree killing fairy |
12.29.07 - 11:04 am | #
Comparing the current crop of Dems suffering from Stockholm syndrome with the genuine bug-fuck lunatics in the GOP?
Jeebus.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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12.29.07 - 11:05 am | #
About a month ago, TBRnews reported that some warheads in Paki were replaced with DU shells that 'look' identical to regular warheads. About 6 were replaced. Could be boom time soon.
The end game is being played and we look like Sauron in Lord of the Rings.
What they were after all along were nukes, not oil like the neonuts thought. They have also been successful in breaking the US financial hedgemony, too. Russia after Afghanistan.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
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12.29.07 - 11:05 am | #
I'd like to mention Juan Cole's post from this morning again:
"You contrast the absolute nonsensical drivel coming out of Huckabee's mouth with the following interview of Hillary Clinton by Wolf Blitzer on CNN's Situation Room on Friday, and Clinton's mature experience and careful, knowledgeable phrasing are like a silk purse to Huckabee's sow's ear[.]"
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Lenore |
12.29.07 - 11:06 am | #
They're now fully spoiled, and MUST sleep in my bed each night, thanks to my foolish permissiveness over the 4-day holiday weekend.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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12.29.07 - 11:07 am | #
Worst Administration Ever.
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12.29.07 - 11:07 am | #
Just as they had no better clue about Iraq than watching _Lawrence of Arabia_ a couple of times, nor of the post-Soviet Union than leftover pamphlets from the Birchers suggested.
"thanks to my foolish permissiveness over the 4-day holiday weekend."
Whatever you give a cat you can never take away again.
EkCenTriK |
12.29.07 - 11:10 am | #
You contrast the absolute nonsensical drivel coming out of Huckabee's mouth
Repukkke voters appreciate someone who doesn't come off as a pointy-headed know-it-all.
Lime Rickey |
12.29.07 - 11:11 am | #
if they even bothered with LoA they wouldn't have invaded.
It was a Red Dawn / Rambo afternoon and then Bush said "go"
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.29.07 - 11:14 am | #
A year left with this administration is forever.
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12.29.07 - 11:37 am | #
So what foreign policy of this administrations hasn't been a complete and total disaster???? Everything they have done, EVERYTHING, literally, not figuratively has turned into the most disastrous horrible mess imagineable. The fact that they are continuing on what has proven to be a colossal disaster after the assassination of Bhutto is absolutely terrifying!!!!
They have no idea what they are doing. They just need to stop!!!
foolme1ns |
12.29.07 - 12:35 pm | #
"we have to make the world safe for upscale department stores!"-Condi
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