Jeffraham, public option |
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07.17.09 - 11:00 am | #
I packed MY bags last night, pre-FLIGHT...
/Shatner
Jay C.
Going to see Elton and Billy Joel next week at Wrigley Field.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:00 am | #
All the GE jobs are in China.
The manufacturing ones, yeah.
Mine's in India.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:00 am | #
The hating on Hillary never ends. It's odd; it's almost as if there were something else behind it. But I'm sure there's no unconscious sexism here.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.17.09 - 10:51 am | #
As opposed to the blatant sexism of The Family she's been a member of for 15 years?
Face it. She's a kook. |
07.17.09 - 11:00 am | #
Why do Republicans advertise so much on Eschaton?
Dunno, but I'm glad they do. Buys kibble for the Atrikitties and does the conservatives zero good. Win/win.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.17.09 - 11:00 am | #
I believe in make believe.
Troutski, HFM |
07.17.09 - 11:00 am | #
Unrepentant Feinian didn't used to seem like such a dumbass -- But I do have Killfile.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:01 am | #
5 minutes.
Jeffraham, public option |
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07.17.09 - 11:01 am | #
Sarah Pac.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:01 am | #
I see that I owe bill a Coke.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
07.17.09 - 11:01 am | #
Not sure how much I'll be near the intertubes..
Don't worry...
Barack The Fresh Prince of Goldman Sachs has everything under control!
Samebobama:Same Bush Odor |
07.17.09 - 11:01 am | #
Not sure how much I'll be near the intertubes..
Leave the keys to the liquor cabinet.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:02 am | #
Seems a bit harsh. No?
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:02 am | #
I don't believe in belief. I doubt, therefore I am. Maybe. I wouldn't bet my life on it.
shrimplate |
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07.17.09 - 11:02 am | #
Let's just ignore the insane ones and maybe they'll go play with themselves in the corner stall, mkay?
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:02 am | #
So have we retired the sexism that permeated the last thread and moved on to something more productive?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:02 am | #
Let's hope so, Sallyh.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
Oh look, it's the racist troll who claims to be a Native American Woman and believes that gives her the right to hate African-Americans!
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
Jeffraham, have a good day at work!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
I don't believe in belief.
I will not abide intolerance . . .
Just Anonymous |
07.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
The 2008 election was like the Cambrian Explosion of troll evolution.
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Tralfaz |
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07.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
are you calling me a sexist?
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:04 am | #
Oh look...
No, thanks.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:04 am | #
plantsman, how are you this morning? Going to be a hot one today...stay cool!
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:04 am | #
Seconding Tlaz.
It looks like Titticut here this morning.
bo, Tincture of Ignore! |
07.17.09 - 11:04 am | #
Barack The Fresh Prince of Goldman Sachs has everything under control!
Peasants just don't understand!
Jazzy Joe Biden |
07.17.09 - 11:04 am | #
Tlaz, even better if we could retire it, period.
I naively believed when I was in college that by the time I had kids, sexism would be treated as if anyone who bought into it was a pariah.
As I mentioned, I was very naive.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:04 am | #
are you calling me a sexist?
*checks spreadsheet*
Forgot to add a cell.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:05 am | #
The 2008 election created lots of real-life trolls where no trolls had been before. Wielding the Caps Lock key and fighting the brave fight from their AOL email address....
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:05 am | #
I reread all my comments in last thread.
if you could point to the one that exhibits sexism i would be obliged.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:05 am | #
112-115F predicted for the next few days. Hot enough for you?
shrimplate |
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07.17.09 - 11:05 am | #
Oh look, it's the racist troll who claims to be a Native American Woman and believes that gives her the right to hate African-Americans!
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.17.09 - 11:03 am | #
steve simels |
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07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
"Jazzy Joe Biden" isn't nearly as funny as Karl Jalapeno Popper, or Richard Petty Bourgeoisie.
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
I'm still damp from last night; I'd love the heat wave to end.
Oh, and climate change deniers: NOAA just reported that June, 2009 was the second hottest month on record since 1880.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
Wielding the Caps Lock key and fighting the brave fight from their AOL email address....
Now that's cold.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
Dunno, but I'm glad they do. Buys kibble for the Atrikitties and does the conservatives zero good. Win/win.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
George Johnston |
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07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
The 2008 election created lots of real-life trolls where no trolls had been before. Wielding the Caps Lock key and fighting the brave fight from their AOL email address....
Eschaton: Where trolls come when YouTube gets too sane.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
The 2008 election was the biggest ass-whuppin' the Rethugs had absorbed since St. Ronald, The Feeble.
MP |
07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
Shrimplate, already 82 in the SFV. We'll probably hit triple digits by noon.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:06 am | #
Someone is still trying to get the last word at the bottom of the last thread.
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Tralfaz |
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07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
Sallyh: Jeffraham, have a good day at work!
Thank you! I will -- and I'll check in, if I get a chance.
bbl
Jeffraham, public option |
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07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
112-115F predicted for the next few days. Hot enough for you? - shrimplate
Broiled shrimp. mmmmmmm.
bo, Tincture of Ignore! |
07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
Bush and the GOP run Congress fuck everything up and Obama gets shit?
Sorry it's taking more than 6 months to clean up the mess you made of the nation and the world.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
I don't believe in belief.
I will not abide intolerance . . .
I agree, all extremists should be executed.
Iwonder |
07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
I'll quit bitching about the patriarchy when my paycheck equals that of colleagues who have the same creds I do.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
Drudge says its cold in the Midwest...I hope Atrios is traveling there to save their obviously crippling CO2 shortage.
ThatGuy |
07.17.09 - 11:07 am | #
euph, it was the fact that you were singling Hillary out for castigation when all the other candidates did pretty much the same thing (or worse) wrt pandering to the religious right.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:08 am | #
Eschaton: Where trolls come when YouTube gets too sane.
AndyG
Reminds of how the comments section of one pretty boring post on Sadly, No became the subject of a months-long flamewar between neo-Nazis- without the blog proprietors and regular commenters noticing! Until one day, going through the archives, someone was like "holy crap! Look what I found under this rock."
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:08 am | #
Professor Wagstaff : The DINOs deletion of the card check provisions from the labor bill was a craven betrayal. I hope the unions run hard against every one of these assholes in the primaries.
The union reps I'm reading so far seem pretty ok with the rest of the bill.
Probably says more about the union reps that I'm reading.
~ Sallyh, : Tlaz, even better if we could retire it, period.
I naively believed when I was in college that by the time I had kids, sexism would be treated as if anyone who bought into it was a pariah.
As I mentioned, I was very naive.
There are people who keep trying to tell me that racism no longer exists, too.
So Hillary had been a member of the Family for 20 years. And this never came up when she ran for President? As a Democrat?
~
Meander, I ATE'NT DEAD yet |
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07.17.09 - 11:08 am | #
And I'm surprised I even have to explain this to you, frankly.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:08 am | #
Actually, I'm just exercising my right to criticize powerful assholes, be they white, black or both.
Funny how you think my criticism of Cheney's cousin means I "hate African-Americans," but I guess all that matters to you is that Samebo had a black dad, so to you it doesn't matter that he acts the same as Bush on important matters.
How very racist of you!
Go suck a Brazil nut! |
07.17.09 - 11:08 am | #
I was going to Scottsdale the other day, and I swear to god I saw a fucking roof rat rolling a cold can of Coke on its forehead trying to cool off a little.
shrimplate |
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07.17.09 - 11:09 am | #
euph, it was the fact that you were singling Hillary out for castigation when all the other candidates did pretty much the same thing (or worse) wrt pandering to the religious right.
Tlazolteotl | 07.17.09 - 11:08 am | # [kill][hide comm
but we were talking about Hillary. . . .
so . . .would you like to talk about Obama? his pandering to the religious right sucks. RIck Warren was a disaster. his speech at Notre Dame was insulting and bull shit. You cant find a middle ground with religious terrorists.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:09 am | #
Jeffraham can haz paycheck?
Congrats! Yay!
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:09 am | #
Hahaha, I thought Scottsdale got cleared out by the foreclosure crisis.
ThatGuy |
07.17.09 - 11:09 am | #
Shrimplate, take my squirrels, please!
I have two that have taken up residence...and I can't stand squirrels.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:10 am | #
"Drudge says its cold in the Midwest..."
here in ohio, this has been the coolest spring/summer i can remember. so far, only had the air on once for about 8 hours.
this weekend is gonna be in the low 70's.
jdw |
07.17.09 - 11:10 am | #
Why is Billy B saying Julio is incog? Is Billy nuts?
By the way, don't you all love the shocking pink in billy's new grav? It is so him.
Tester |
07.17.09 - 11:10 am | #
From below:
When Obama panders, it's just politics.
Hilarious.
pie
Interesting how that works, isn't it? But when you start from the premise that she is evil incarnate ...
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:10 am | #
Dear some members of white America:
Stop it!
Sincerely,
The rest of America
Zell Miller: Rahm should use ‘Gorilla Glue’ to keep Obama in his chair.
so every criticism of Hillary is a prima facie sexist attack devoid of context of the poster's history or topic of conversation?
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:10 am | #
Don't try to psychoanalyze me, you clearly haven't the credentials. "Clean up your own backyard" as the saying goes.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
My June electric bill was about half of last year's. See, there's no global warming.
QL- |
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07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
It's not gonna get above 70 here today. Whee.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
speaking of secretive prayer/religious/groups........
interesting diary at kos today about Palin's church.......
paste:
:From September through to November 4th, 2008, there was an almost uniform failure, by not only mainstream media and progressive media but also bloggers, to notice such unusual and highly distinctive characteristics of Palin's religious associations. It was more than a trivial oversight; following the election, a story printed in the February 2009 issue of Charisma Magazine confirmed Palin's continuing association with Alaska religious leader Mary Glazier.
Mabel's Wig Shack |
07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
Matt Taibbi's article (RS July 9-23 p.52) from Rolling Stone didn't mention (in his nationally distributed periodical) the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act from 1999.
But he did write about Robert Rubin quite extensively.
He's Barack Obama's advisor, of course...because that's the way Mark Patterson and Gary Gensler want it.
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WSJ:How much did deregulation contribute to the financial crisis?
President Barack Obama argued on the campaign trail that one bill -- the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 -- led to deregulation that helped cause the crisis. Among other things, that law allowed for the creation of giant financial supermarkets that could own investment banks, commercial banks and insurance firms, something banned since the Great Depression. Its passage, critics say, cleared the way for companies that were too big and intertwined to fail.
The law also had limits. It cemented the Federal Reserve as the top regulator for giant firms such as Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. But it didn't give any regulator sweeping powers over investment banks such as Bear Stearns Cos. and Lehman Brothers, or standalone insurance giants like American International Group Inc.
Supporters of Gramm-Leach-Bliley say the law might have prevented the crisis from becoming worse, as it allowed investment banks Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley to borrow money from the Fed to stay afloat.
euph, as I said, she was being singled out without putting it into the context of what others are doing. And yes, that comes off as sexist, whether you like it or not.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
The House Ways & Means Committee has passed the health care bill out of committee, but the next roadblock will be the Energy & Commerce Committee where the blue dogs could block it.
My Congresscritter Pallone is on the committee, but I'm sure he'll vote the right way.
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
Euph, I will agree that pandering to the religious right is a poor strategy. They're not going to come around to anything resembling rational thought.
It's a waste of energy and time.
Cut your losses and move on, I would advise them.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
It hurts my feeling to be labeled a sexist.
please back up your spurious insults next time with less bull shit.
thanks.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:12 am | #
Using the term "Samebo" automatically negates everything posted.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:12 am | #
And by calling Obama "The Fresh Prince of Goldman Sachs" you prove that you not only hate African-Americans, but that you also hate Jews, and teevee comedies!
Shame on you!
Now, let's get back to lowering our standards and making excuses for Obama the same way Freepers did for Bush, shall we?
Eschatard Union |
07.17.09 - 11:12 am | #
Where the hell is John?
Pablo |
07.17.09 - 11:12 am | #
Texas not only has an excess of asshole religionists, it also has an excess of heat right now.
ThatGuy |
07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
Whee! Rich, trolly goodness!~!!1
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
Congrats, JP, but I'm still going back to bed. These Republicans are terrible, terrible people. You don't call a black person a gorilla.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
I think Dave has stopped posting out of fear.
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
euph, as I said, she was being singled out without putting it into the context of what others are doing. And yes, that comes off as sexist, whether you like it or not.
Tlazolteotl | 07.17.09 - 11:11 am | #
Call Barbara Ehrenriech and tell her that her article was sexist, why don't you?
rootless-e, appikouros |
07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
We didn't call you a sexist. We pointed out that singling Hillary out for something that male candidates were also doing had the appearance of sexism.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
Settle down euph. You are letting the bar exams get to you. Stay cool.
Tester |
07.17.09 - 11:13 am | #
We didn't call you a sexist. We pointed out that singling Hillary out for something that male candidates were also doing had the appearance of sexism.
Tlazolteotl | 07.17.09 - 11:13 am | # [kill][hide
fine.
apologize for losing my cool.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:14 am | #
Well sure, rootless, let's give this this topic the serious treatment it deserves!
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:14 am | #
It hurts my feeling to be labeled a sexist.
And it's always about the man's feelings.
euph, don't say sexist things if you don't want to be labeled a sexist.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.17.09 - 11:14 am | #
My June electric bill was more than 3 times what it actually should have been, because they just made it up instead of reading my meter! We have since had a series of words.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:15 am | #
Wow. Folx R pretty testy this am. Must be the heat or something. Last time I checked, our side was still winning. Maybe folx should focus on that.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:15 am | #
i think what Euph pointed out was what I've long maintained.
almost all 'liberal' voices in the good old yankee-spangled-purple elk sky-land of super-sized freedom fries
are knee deep in gutenburg's bible and the jesus bullet machine
Mabel's Wig Shack |
07.17.09 - 11:15 am | #
i cant help being a man. sorry.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
Euph,
Actual dialogue from an acutal case, July 14, 2009:
The Court: Do you have some case law that supports your
position, [Defense Counsel], since I am not aware of one?
Do you have a case?
Defense Counsel: I don't have a case handy.
The Court: Well, handy or not, is there a case?
Defense Counsel: I don't know whether there is such a case.
The Court: I see. I am not aware of any case authority that allows the introduction of [the evidence]
Defense Counsel: This may be the case that makes that law.
The Court: I don't think so.
*******************
C/T, translator |
Homepage |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
Well sure, rootless, let's give this this topic the serious treatment it deserves!
Tlazolteotl
Relentlessly applying his favorite double standard.
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
My June electric bill was more than 3 times what it actually should have been, because they just made it up instead of reading my meter! We have since had a series of words.
Well, at least you didn't get the bill that guy in Tacoma did for $75k for one month! Talk about computer error!
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
We need to put tariffs in place on commodities.
We need to raise the prime lending rate.
We need to shave ALL government spending to the bone, and immediately drawdown Afghanistan and Iraqi wartime operations.
We need to take-over Goldman-Sachs and get our money back.
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
My June electric bill was more than 3 times what it actually should have been, because they just made it up instead of reading my meter! We have since had a series of words.
An annoyingly common practice. It's the 21st century and we still people to physically read meters?
ThatGuy |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
How bout this: Fuck everyone in "The Family".
Parse that how you may.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
i cant help being a man. sorry.
You can help what you say. And that's the issue.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
CoT.
Defense Counsel: This may be the case that makes that law.
last night i dreamed that i visited gwpda and hecate at a farm they were living on somewhere in the jemez mountains.
Don Coyote |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
euph is a little nervous about the bar exam coming up. It's understandable. No harm no foul, but there is one thing euph should do before the test. Take one day off. Don't pick up a book and don't get dress. Basically, do nothing but relax.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
euph, we didn't say you were wrong because you were a man. We said you were wrong because you said some things that sounded sexist. Now quit whining.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
"The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."
-Oscar Wilde
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
We didn't call you a sexist. We pointed out that singling Hillary out for something that male candidates were also doing had the appearance of sexism.
That's true.
Joe Lieberman was also an attendee of Family functions, although not the Bible studies, where members were sworn to secrecy and required to share the intimate details of their failings.
But, hey, Hillary just loves Jesus.
You can't fault her for praising a man like Doug Coe!
As she said, he's "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.”
Or get away with having an affair. Same diff.
Praize Jeebus Almighty! |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
Good one C/T. Maybe if Defense Lawyer had said "please"?
ThatGuy |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
You can help what you say. And that's the issue.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.17.09 - 11:16 am | #
I'm going to call you out on sanctimonious horseshit hecate.
Mabel's Wig Shack |
07.17.09 - 11:17 am | #
Dear some current & former members of CONGRESS:
Stop it!
Sincerely,
The rest of America
(considering Sen. Coburn's Ricky Ricardo moment this week)
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
How am is supposed to say that I thought HRC's affiliation with RIght wing religious groups in DC made me less inclined to vote for her in a primary without sounding sexist, if indeed it is sexist.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
As far as I know, there were no other Democratic candidates who were members of the Family. Not correct?
And given the arguments we had here during the primaries when Obama's religious language occasioned the most vitriolic attacks, the defense of Hillary's feminist membership in a gnostic cult is ridiculous.
rootless-e, appikouros |
07.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
Euph, Monica gives wise advice.
And I'd like to add, when it's over, get totally shitfaced.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
That cracked me up.
Points for trying, though.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
So Hillary had been a member of the Family for 20 years. And this never came up when she ran for President? As a Democrat?
~
Meander, I ATE'NT DEAD yet
Heard that long ago; during the campaign?
Must have been. Anyway, it's why the hue and cry about "The Family" strikes me as hysterical. Jeff Shallet has obviously spent precious little time in the South, where the rantings of that preacher for "The Family" he keeps quoting are really pretty common stuff.
And considering that "The Family" has produced: Coburn, Ensign, Sanford, and even Hillary (apparently), I can't say they're either all the nefarious, nor all the influential.
Whole lotta nuthin', seems to me. Which speaks more to the failure of their enterprise than to some scary admixture of gov't and religion. (There are such scary admixtures; I just don't think this is one of them.)
Anyway.....
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist |
07.17.09 - 11:18 am | #
Morn, fellow moonies
To give you an idea of Israeli politics, Olmert, the former PM - someone who believes strongly in the need to reach a peace settlement with the Palestinians - wrote an op ed in today's WP. It reveals why the Israeli course makes it so difficut to reach a peace settlement. Essentially, Olmert is saying - pay no attention to the settlement problem, it detracts from reaching a peace deal. The problem is that for the Palestinians, who have seen large swabs of the West Bank taken over by settlers, it is the largest barrier to reaching peace with Israel.
We all need to relax a bit. Has Palin released anymore of her bear texting?
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.17.09 - 11:19 am | #
(considering Sen. Coburn's Ricky Ricardo moment this week)
And where is the MSM calling him out on a blatantly racist act? I haven't seen it.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:19 am | #
We all occasionally fuck up and write something that can conjure offense. That doesn't make you a bad person.
shrimplate |
Homepage |
07.17.09 - 11:19 am | #
last night i dreamed that i visited gwpda and hecate at a farm they were living on somewhere in the jemez mountains.
I had a farm in Africa, at the foot of the Jemez hills. Well, not really, but I've always loved that opening line.
Euph,
Go for a walk and listen to the bar review tapes. And do what Monica says and take the day before completely off.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
07.17.09 - 11:19 am | #
My June electric bill was more than 3 times what it actually should have been, because they just made it up instead of reading my meter! We have since had a series of words.
At least you didn't get charged $23 quadrillion for a pack of cigarettes.
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
Average pre-tax incomes in 2006 jumped by about $60,000 (5.8 percent) for the top 1 percent of households, but just $430 (1.4 percent) for the bottom 90 percent, after adjusting for inflation, according to a new update in the groundbreaking series on income inequality by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez. Their analysis of newly released IRS data shows that in 2006, the shares of the nation’s income flowing to the top 1 percent and top 0.1 percent of households were higher than in any year since 1928.
NotKeithOlberman did last night, mildly.
ThatGuy |
07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
Monica, just so long as she doesn't release any sex tapes, I'm fine.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
How am is supposed to say that I thought HRC's affiliation with RIght wing religious groups in DC made me less inclined to vote for her in a primary without sounding sexist, if indeed it is sexist.
im at work. i cant really just go for a walk. ill go read something else though.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
How am is supposed to say that I thought HRC's affiliation with RIght wing religious groups in DC made me less inclined to vote for her in a primary without sounding sexist, if indeed it is sexist.
But everybody else panders to the religious right also, and you didn't say whether that made you less likely to vote for them.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
And I'd like to add, when it's over, get totally shitfaced.
Being an Atriot, I thought that was a gimmee.
I keed! But not really.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
As she said, he's "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.”
Or get away with having an affair. Same diff.
Praize Jeebus Almighty!
The precise weakness of Coe's "theology." Religion should alter one's life, not affirm one's predilections. That this seldom happens (except for "saints") is beside the point. What kind of power does Coe wield, if his products are Coburn, Ensign, and Sanford?
It is to laugh.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
I think Mabel's Wig Shack is the one and only Wonder Dog.
Tester |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
because we were talking about hillary . . .
so . . . ?
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
But everybody else panders to the religious right also, and you didn't say whether that made you less likely to vote for them.
Tlazolteotl | 07.17.09 - 11:20 am | #
The problem is not pandering, it's apparent genuine belief.
rootless-e, appikouros |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
Euph, a lot of people here have taken the bar exam, and they know from where they speak.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
Don't know about any Dem members, but what I've heard about this 'Family' the past few days creeps me way out, but confirms what I figured about alot of the family values whackjobs.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
I believed in global warming until today... its July 17th and the high will only be 80 degrees in St. Louis. Surely this is proof that we've entered a period of global cooling.
smarty jones |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
last night i dreamed that i visited gwpda and hecate at a farm they were living on somewhere in the jemez mountains.
That would be very nice, Olav. How are you feeling? Still in hospital? Cured?
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace |
07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
Rachel called Coburn out, 2 nights running, over his "'splaining" remark. Both segments are probably still up at msnbc.com.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
Speaking of which, has Rick Warren been caught fucking any dead boys lately? Yet, even?
shrimplate |
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07.17.09 - 11:22 am | #
Vice President Joe Biden told people attending an AARP town hall meeting that unless the Democrat-supported health care plan becomes law the nation will go bankrupt and that the only way to avoid that fate is for the government to spend more money.
These fucking people are clueless. I really want them in control of my healthcare.
massive phallus |
07.17.09 - 11:22 am | #
So Hillary had been a member of the Family for 20 years. And this never came up when she ran for President? As a Democrat?
Oh, it came up...
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...0331/
ehrenreich There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.
It's just that people take more offense from a pastor saying that the God of the Bible damns imperialism than they do from a pastor saying that the God of the Bible demands imperialism.
See the difference?
No wonder Obama threw his pastor under the bus!
He's found a new religion!
Corpro-Theocracy Über Alles |
07.17.09 - 11:22 am | #
Euph, a lot of people here have taken the bar exam, and they know from where they speak.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
"The horror! The horror!"
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist |
07.17.09 - 11:23 am | #
Did Bay Buchanan on MSNBC just say "We stand for white Americans"?
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:23 am | #
Smarty Jones, how are you and the colt?
What's changed around here is not so much the daytime temps, but the overnight ones. As recently as a decade ago, once the sun went down, the temperature would drop as much as 30 F in an hour, making the night hours very pleasant. Now it just stays hot at night. Was 88 when I went to bed at 11.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:23 am | #
Why so much fear of the Public Option?
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:23 am | #
I don't want to think about Rick Warren having sex, ever. But the way he said the Obama girls' names at the Inauguration creeped me out.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:24 am | #
Sheesh. Name one president who did not pander to the fundies in some way. It is a prerequisite for the office in this fucked up country.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:24 am | #
Did Bay Buchanan on MSNBC just say "We stand for white Americans"?
JT |
Not watching, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
BlueinColorado |
07.17.09 - 11:24 am | #
How am is supposed to say that I thought HRC's affiliation with RIght wing religious groups in DC made me less inclined to vote for her in a primary without sounding sexist, if indeed it is sexist.
One more time and then I have to go produce prose. When you have two candidates, both of whom pander in numerous ways to the xian wingnuts, and it bugs you when the woman does it but not so much when the man does it, there's unconscious sexism at work. Just like when you have two candidates and they both have supported the war effort and it bugs you when the woman does it but no so much when the man does it, there's unconscious sexism at work. Think about how affirmative action for blacks drives white guys nuts but they don't see much wrong with legacy admissions. Those guys would say that it hurts their feelings to be called racists. Living in a sexist and racist society means that we all absorb some sexism and racism. We can work to expunge it, but some of it, often unconscious -- not visible to us -- remains. And when people point it out, sometimes the best answer is, "OK, sorry, I didn't mean to be sexist."
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.17.09 - 11:24 am | #
I'm thinking this C Street residence is a place where Republicans go to fuck their mistresses.
Chip Pickering's Wife Claims He Had Affair
Leisha Pickering said in the lawsuit filed this week that her husband and the woman dated in college, reconnected and began having an affair while he was in Congress and living in a building where several Christian lawmakers reside on C Street near the U.S. Capitol.
Speaking of sexism, I was at a meeting of a volunteer group from the local shelter that consisted of me and five women (including my wife). The meeting began with a lengthy discussion of sex after menopause, lead by my wife who does a workshop on the subject. After the meeting was over,* my wife said she thuoght the other woman enjoyed having me around and that I was an "honorary girl."
Now it just stays hot at night. Was 88 when I went to bed at 11.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Confirms my conviction that we will all be Texans in the future.
Record setting highs and record low rain (1/4" in June, v. usual 5") here since May.
This is supposed to change next week. We'll see.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist |
07.17.09 - 11:25 am | #
Frankly, these "Family" dudes remind of early nazi party members. Totally fantasy-prone, sexually-repressed dangerously banal fuckers.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:25 am | #
he Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank said manufacturing and unemployment continued to decline in the mid-Atlantic region in July.
---> AlladinsLamp | 07.17.09 - 11:20 am |
It's not just about commercial real estate and the lending institutions who've locked up credit.
Money no longer circulates as inflation rises and the people stop working. (Stagflation)
Deficit Spending (Keynesian) is completely wrong unless it's promotes a middle-class.
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In a survey of businesses taken in the first half of the month, the Philadelphia Fed said its headline manufacturing index, which has been negative for 19 of the past 20 months, dropped from minus 2.2 in June to minus 7.5 in July.
Thirty-one percent of the companies responding indicated a decline in business activity, while 23 percent indicated an increase, the Fed said Thursday.
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:25 am | #
Name one president who did not pander to the fundies in some way. It is a prerequisite for the office in this fucked up country.
And that is the sad, sad truth.
And now, I have to go get some work done.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:25 am | #
The industry has always tried to make Americans think that government-run systems are the worst thing that could possibly happen to them, that if you even consider that, you're heading down on the slippery slope towards socialism. So they have used scare tactics for years and years and years, to keep that from happening. If there were a broader program like our Medicare program, it could potentially reduce the profits of these big companies. So that is their biggest concern.
Wendell Porter ex Cigna Exec.
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:26 am | #
Speaking of the religious right, what do God and George Bush have in common? He always get credit for the good stuff and never gets blamed for the bad stuff.
George Johnston |
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07.17.09 - 11:26 am | #
Did Bay Buchanan on MSNBC just say "We stand for white Americans"?
[shakes head]
Goodnight, New Jersey. Wake me up when the "race war" is over. Some white people (or as Ouzo would call them, crackers) are crazy. So you don't have the top political spot in the country anymore. Why the negativity and hate? Everything is cyclical. Why do you want your country to fail? Why don't you want the best people to run it? I don't get it.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.17.09 - 11:26 am | #
What kind of power does Coe wield, if his products are Coburn, Ensign, and Sanford?
and the Secretary of State... |
07.17.09 - 11:26 am | #
well Hecate thanks for writing that out. i agree with all that you wrote there. I am a little confused why that applies to me at all, but whatever.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:26 am | #
Maybe the guy saw "The Passion of the Christ" and thought it sucked:
The Washington State Patrol says actor James Caviezel suffered cuts and bruises when a man hurled a bicycle into the path of his Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
Trooper Rich Magnussen says "The Passion of the Christ" actor was taken Thursday to Cascade Medical Center in Leavenworth.
Magnussen says the 40-year-old Caviezel, of Woodland Hills, Calif., was wearing a helmet, and that "it could have been a lot worse." The trooper says he doesn't know why the actor was in the area about 14 miles southeast of this city in north-central Washington.
Caviezel portrayed Jesus in Mel Gibson's movie. He was born in Mount Vernon, Wash.
Magnussen says mental issues may be involved in why the 42-year-old Wenatchee man tossed the bike.
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Terry C - Castrating B*tch |
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07.17.09 - 11:27 am | #
Tlazolteotl
did you see that Phila posted yesterday....(and i got an email)...he's just been very busy trying to get the 2 books done.
ErinPDX |
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07.17.09 - 11:27 am | #
I got the impression The Family was a male only group. Living in the house at least.
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:27 am | #
Speaking of the religious right, what do God and George Bush have in common? He always get credit for the good stuff and never gets blamed for the bad stuff.
George Johnston
You speak as any old woman would speak! If we accept good from God, shall we not accept evil also?"--Job, to his wife. (largely from memory)
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist |
07.17.09 - 11:27 am | #
I do fault Hillary rather sharply for two things from the primaries that everyone did not do. One is refusing to give up for so long when it was crystal clear she was beat, and the other is having the gall to suggest that McStain had better national security cred than Obama. But the election is over now and it's bygones, so who really cares?
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:27 am | #
Just cause I tossed my bike doesn't make me mental.
Dexter Methorphan |
07.17.09 - 11:28 am | #
Maybe the guy saw "The Passion of the Christ" and thought it sucked:
More likely it was Outlander.
Caviezel should be ashamed.
Snow (D-SC) |
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07.17.09 - 11:28 am | #
I think you're right, Karin; women don't seem to be able to achieve the "inner circle" status the fundie men do in The Family.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:29 am | #
Well, I'm going to the Zoo. Later.
AndyG |
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07.17.09 - 11:29 am | #
mom Hecate,
Good luck on the prose. I'm sure it will be as lovely as ever. With that: out of money. Send cash for hookers and coke.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.17.09 - 11:29 am | #
The trooper says he doesn't know why the actor was in the area about 14 miles southeast of this city in north-central Washington.
Probably riding highway 97 over Satus Pass - that would be a really great biking road, somewhat curvy and very scenic, and it would be lovely this time of year.
Tlazolteotl |
07.17.09 - 11:29 am | #
Fenian, I don't get it. Health care is being heavily rationed at this point, and the administrative costs are 15 to 20% of the total bill. Medicare's overhead is 2-3%.
Our friends in Europe find our health care system baffling, to say the least.
I had a taste of single payer when we were vacationing in Montreal and Monsieur developed some serious eye problems. It was New Year's Day, and the ER at McGill was very busy, but it was very quiet. We waited a little under 2 hours, far less than what you'd wait in any of our local ERs, and Monsieur saw an opthalmologist. We weren't covered under the Canadian health plan, so we had to pay cash.
A whopping $50C.
I developed pneumonia in Spain when we visited one time; I'd had bronchitis at the start of the trip but didn't want to bail out. Our hotel concierge put us in touch with a physician, who said he'd call us right back. Five minutes later, he phoned and said he'd be at our hotel in half an hour.
He was punctual.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:29 am | #
Pet Airways!
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace |
07.17.09 - 11:29 am | #
The worst offenders are often the folks that have no idea whatsoever that they are being sexist or racist. We who are offended must patiently teach and encourage those folks to enlighten themselves. Good on Hecate. Wise woman.
Iwonder |
07.17.09 - 11:30 am | #
The house call from the MD in Spain cost 75 EU. Try getting an in office appointment for that.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:30 am | #
By Angela Couloumbis and Mario F. Cattabiani, The Philadelphia Inquirer
Tens of thousands of state employees today will receive what likely
will be their last paycheck before they are expected to start showing
up for work without compensation. And those checks will be smaller
than normal.
When you have two candidates, both of whom pander in numerous ways to the xian wingnuts, and it bugs you when the woman does it but not so much when the man does it, there's unconscious sexism at work.
I find Jeremiah Wright to be far less creepy than Doug Coe.
I find pastors who condemn collateral damage for the sake of imperial power to be far less offensive than pastors who commend imperialism no matter the collateral damage.
I wish Hillary would renounce Doug Coe the same way Obama (stupidly) renounced Jeremiah Wright.
Does that make me sexist??? |
07.17.09 - 11:30 am | #
from the Washington Post:
Title: Megabanks Post Large Second-Quarter Profits
Byline: Largest banks are profiting from their success on Wall St., but basic business of banking -- lending money to borrowers -- remains deeply troubled.
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:30 am | #
It's also quite possible the bike-tosser had no idea who Caviezel was, and was just tired of being pursued by a chopper.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:30 am | #
But of course, being willing to skin your garanny alive and sell her hide to the highest bidder is also pretty much a prerequisite for the office of the presidency, and we never got to see what Obama would have done when if it had become clear he was about to lose. He might have gone just as ugly.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:31 am | #
Rmj,
what are record highs in your neck of the woods?
and speaking of Texans, is holden around anymore?
smarty jones |
07.17.09 - 11:31 am | #
The worst offenders are often the folks that have no idea whatsoever that they are being sexist or racist.
That may be true, but I was surprised by the argument throw at me that women are easily brainwashed. I ran it by some women, and they were not impressed.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:31 am | #
and the Secretary of State... | 07.17.09 - 11:26 am
Ah, the species known as the Tiny Dicked Hillary Hater.
I wish they would go extinct.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch- |
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07.17.09 - 11:31 am | #
Did Bay Buchanan on MSNBC just say "We stand for white Americans"?
Her brother all but Seig Heil'd last night on Rachel's show.
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:32 am | #
One is refusing to give up for so long when it was crystal clear she was beat,
So you need to go back to fifth grade social studies and learn our election process? Her candidacy was historic in many ways. How did it differ from what Franken did? Let the process work. Win or lose doesn't matter. IT is the process that is in danger.
Iwonder |
07.17.09 - 11:32 am | #
well at least im an unintentional sexist now. rather than an intentional one.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:33 am | #
Pretty much everybody harbors some biases based on tribalism, and that includes the tribalism of gender -- on both sides.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:33 am | #
The worst offenders are often the folks that have no idea whatsoever that they are being sexist or racist.
"Don't get me wrong, I like gals in being in the workplace, generally, but..."
MP |
07.17.09 - 11:33 am | #
Obama's granny died during the campaign, he went to Hawaii to see and be with her in her final weeks.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:33 am | #
Terry C has no qualms with Hillary's long time membership in The Family...
even though the family is patriarchal, sexist and misogynist.
You show 'em who's, er, sub-boss!
Keep praising 'tards! |
07.17.09 - 11:34 am | #
Sallyh, My friends from London are in town on business this week and are really stunned by all this healthcare fear mongering.
They don't want a public plan. They want all the uninsured to have to be enrolled in a private insurance plan. They see those 50 million people as potentially 50 million new customers. So they're in favor of that. They see this as a way to essentially lock them into the system, and ensure their profitability in the future. The strategy is as it was in 1993 and '94, to conduct this charm offensive on the surface. But behind the scenes, to use front groups and third-party advocates and ideological allies. And those on Capitol Hill who are aligned with them, philosophically, to do the dirty work. To demean and scare people about a government-run plan, try to make people not even remember that Medicare, their Medicare program, is a government-run plan that has operated a lot more efficiently.
And also, the people who are enrolled in our Medicare plan like it better. The satisfaction ratings are higher in our Medicare program, a government-run program, than in private insurance. Wendell Porter
Unrepentant Fenian |
07.17.09 - 11:34 am | #
I heard he killed granny so he could retrieve his birth certificate.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:34 am | #
Ricci was not the bombshell the Goopers had hoped; he pretty much fizzled.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:34 am | #
One is refusing to give up for so long when it was crystal clear she was beat,
IIRC, if Bill Clinton had dropped out at appx. the same point people wanted Hillary Clinton to drop out, he would never have won the nomination.
I haven't seen anything, anywhere, about his testimony yesterday.
When asked about Judge Sotomayor, Firefighter Ricci said that he didn't know the judge and had no opinion as to her qualifications for the Supreme Court, or any basis for formulating an opinion.
Snow (D-SC) |
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07.17.09 - 11:35 am | #
'Did Bay Buchanan on MSNBC just say "We stand for white Americans"?
Her brother all but Seig Heil'd last night on Rachel's show.
Karin'
"Handsome Pat" is what the family calls him. They also say what pretty hands Bay has.
Professor Wagstaff |
07.17.09 - 11:35 am | #
That would be very nice, Olav. How are you feeling? Still in hospital? Cured?
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace | 07.17.09 - 11:21 am | #
The technological improvements in the kitchen back in the 50's and 60's made life so much better for your average housewife.
MP |
07.17.09 - 11:36 am | #
I will say this: if Hillary had won the nomination, I would have worked like hell to get her into office. I may have had a preference for one candidate over another, but as Randi Rhodes once said, you fall in love during the primary season. Once that's over, you fall in line.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:36 am | #
Ricci was not the bombshell the Goopers had hoped; he pretty much fizzled.
Instead, Jayuff Sayshuns was something of a bombshell, but not the way repukes wanted.
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:36 am | #
Wasn't it a "W" not too long ago?
Unemployment tops 10 percent in 15 states in June.
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President Barack Obama's top economic adviser says the nation has moved back substantially from the brink of an economic catastrophe it faced at the beginning of the year.
Lawrence Summers, the director of the National Economic Council, said economic collapse looked all too real six months ago. In prepared remarks for a speech Friday, he said efforts at an economic rescue have made progress.
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:37 am | #
Not callin anyone names. Not throwing stones. I have my own set of issues and predjudices that I am not proud of. For instance, I can't stand names that start with "e".
Iwonder |
07.17.09 - 11:37 am | #
Pretty much everybody harbors some biases based on tribalism...
.So you need to go back to fifth grade social studies and learn our election process?
No, I do not, and I'll thank you to be a bit less condescending. The process had worked. She was already beat. There was no good reason on Earth for her to drag it on for so ridiculously long. But, again, it's bygones so I don't really see any reason to harp on it any more. As I was at pains to point out, Obama may have proven to be just as bad if it had panned out the other way.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:38 am | #
ok whatever.
thanks for that.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:38 am | #
"Handsome Pat" The Devout Catholic has no children -- I think it's generated some serious issues in the guy.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:39 am | #
the kids i manage at my workplace constantly think i am referring to inner tubes with i use the term Intertubes, so now i have moved on to the world wide nets. still not communicating very well with them, tho. could be all the PCP...who knows?
shermhead |
07.17.09 - 11:39 am | #
Hempy's right.
We should all have voted for the dude in the top hat and pot-leaf t-shirt.
Wouldn't have made a difference, Obama would still have won, mind you, but our souls would be pure!
And then we'd have the right to go bashing anyone who didn't vote for top-hat-pot-leaf-man!
it worked out blerb because it kept all the momementum and news focus on the Dems and the Dem primary. all the dirt on obama had already been done aired and digested by the General.
I would be surprised if Obama wanted her to stay in it as long as possible.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:40 am | #
Her brother all but Seig Heil'd last night on Rachel's show.
Karin
It was a new low even for him.
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:40 am | #
When asked about Judge Sotomayor, Firefighter Ricci said that he didn't know the judge and had no opinion as to her qualifications for the Supreme Court, or any basis for formulating an opinion.
Snow (D-SC) |
I was struck by his saying that yesterday was his first chance or only chance to tell his story. And a bunch of TVbots saying "At last! He got a chance to give his side of the story!"
I kind of assumed he would have told his story during the initial court case.
BlueinColorado |
07.17.09 - 11:40 am | #
totally disagree. And when it came time to vote at the convention, she showed real statesmanship and class.
Iwonder |
07.17.09 - 11:40 am | #
MP, I think the result of the gadgets and mythology of the 50s was that women became even more beholden to unrealistic standards. The immaculate house became a test of femininity, the ability to throw parties--my mother had to attend a seminar one time on being an 'executive wife,' which she found incredibly stupid.
By US standards, our house was filthy. Where she grew up, you had coal heat (in short supply during WWII), and no one's house was immaculate. You went to the pub to socialize as opposed to having guests in your cramped quarters (the 2 up 2 down was standard).
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:40 am | #
Pat has a decent combover, but he's not in the league of David Gergen.
Gergen is the Babe Ruth of combovers.
MP |
07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
from NTodd below
That's the point as I take it: the days where white men get to rule just because they set up the rules long ago in a system where nobody else could are gone.
Pat needs to get over it.
NTodd, Wise Latina
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07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
.I can't fault Hillary for not giving up earlier, it was her right to run all the way to the convention.
Karin ,
People have the right to do a lot of things that are wrong, you know.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
yeah, i wasnt sure at the time, but in hindsight, she did the absolute right thing.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
I think you're wrong, the worst offenders are the out-and-out proud unrepentant racists. The ones with the bumper stickers, who listen to Rush & Glenn Beck.
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
"I always thought of Pat Buchanan as someone in bad drag--until I saw Bay."
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
I dunno euph, I thought you did the whole "the same thing goes for Obama" part pretty clearly, but it's a useful conversation nonetheless.
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:41 am | #
Poundcake of Lemonosity is my 1 true standard -- and I can't eat it anymore.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.17.09 - 11:42 am | #
what is 2 up 2 down?
rooms?
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:42 am | #
Pretty much everybody harbors some biases based on tribalism...
for me by biases run to being prejudiced against those damn Laplanders...damned lazy lay about caribou herders! none of them have ever worked an honest day in their lives!
shermhead |
07.17.09 - 11:42 am | #
Thanks Jay C.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:43 am | #
If I recall properly, Rachel was getting pretty pissed off at Pat last night. She was far less indulgent than she had been in the past.
There is the fact that she probably doesn't have complete control over the show; she's got producers she has to keep happy.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:43 am | #
I kind of assumed he would have told his story during the initial court case.
It never went to trial. It was dismissed on a summary judgment motion.
Snow (D-SC) |
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07.17.09 - 11:43 am | #
Gergen is the Babe Ruth of combovers.
MP
But there are not enough prepositions to attach to "comb-" to describe that thing on Donald Trumps head.
BlueinColorado |
07.17.09 - 11:43 am | #
If you didn't support Obama, you must have supported McCain!
If you didn't support McCain, you must have supported Nader!
If you didn't support Nader, you must have supported Ron Paul and/or Kucinich!
If you didn't support Ron Paul and/or Kucinich, you must have supported top-hat-pot-leaf man.
There was only one logical choice:
Barack Hussein Obama.
So if you didn't support him, you don't have a right to criticize him.
Eschatard Logic [sic] |
07.17.09 - 11:43 am | #
euphronius : How am is supposed to say that I thought HRC's affiliation with RIght wing religious groups in DC made me less inclined to vote for her in a primary without sounding sexist, if indeed it is sexist.
Had I known about it at the time I would have been less inclined to vote for her than I already was. Of course I would have held my nose in the general election.
And no, I'm no more happy or trustful over Obama's fundie-ism. In fact, he'll outright lie about it, which is funny since they hate him to the bone.
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Unrepentant Fenian : Why so much fear of the Public Option?
The insurance companies know that the Americna people are demending their destruction, and they trying to put it off for as long as possible.
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The Washington State Patrol says actor James Caviezel suffered cuts and bruises when a man hurled a bicycle into the path of his Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
He's also been hit by lightning while making that movie.
It never went to trial. It was dismissed on a summary judgment motion.
Snow (D-SC)
Okay, that makes more sense. I thought it was the "it's not real if it's not on TV" syndrome
BlueinColorado |
07.17.09 - 11:44 am | #
Barry from Alaska posted this morning that Sarah Palin tweeted that she's gonna stop being so PC in her tweets after she's no longer Governor!
Pallin' Around With Mavericky!
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07.17.09 - 11:44 am | #
Secretly I prefer to use the term "girl" rather than the more commonly accepted term "woman." "Woman" looks like the word "man" but with a womb-like prefix attached to it, while "girl" is a completely different word.
The French terms "homme" and "femme" are preferable to me, but if I going around using French terms people will go all batshit on me.
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07.17.09 - 11:45 am | #
...And I will hasten to add that HRC's refusal to stand down when it was time is pretty low on the list of shitty things Democratic candidates have done to try to win primaries. If her beghavior is a 1, LBJ's would have been like a 9.5 on the shitty tactics scale.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:45 am | #
If I recall properly, Rachel was getting pretty pissed off at Pat last night. She was far less indulgent than she had been in the past.
Rachel: I don't need a lecture from you on ...
Pukecannon: Well, I'm giving you one ...
[Rachel ignores his sophistry and ploughs on.]
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:45 am | #
Barry from Alaska posted this morning that Sarah Palin tweeted that she's gonna stop being so PC in her tweets after she's no longer Governor!
I welcome the flood of poorly-spelled epithets!
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:45 am | #
Euph, 2 rooms upstairs, 2 rooms downstairs.
I visited my grandmother twice when I was younger. By then she was widowed and it was just her. But on her street, where the row houses were identical, people who had several children were living in the same model of housing.
My mother was astonished at the size of US houses when she arrived here in 1953. She and my father purchased their first home in 1955, and it had 3 bedrooms. She felt at that time as if she was living in a castle.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.17.09 - 11:45 am | #
she thought she was being PC?? wah?
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:46 am | #
The immaculate house became a test of femininity, the ability to throw parties--my mother had to attend a seminar one time on being an 'executive wife,' which she found incredibly stupid.
My mother, who actually graduated college with a degree in (IIRC) speech therapy (!!!) hated all that shit. Even though her and my father were the closest thing (along with their small circle of friends) to "beatniks" you could find in the San Joaquin Valley, she still wasn't "allowed" to work outside the home. She was, however, "allowed" to volunteer for groups like the League of Women Voters, where she tore it up. And by the end of the 60s she was working a "real" job, which was ahead of the curve for our area.
.He's also been hit by lightning while making that movie.
Apparently Jeebus doan liek teh torture pr0n.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:46 am | #
There is the fact that she probably doesn't have complete control over the show; she's got producers she has to keep happy.
I don't think anyone forced her to put Pat on the show. I thought he really spilled what was in his gut and it was pretty amazing TV.
Karin |
07.17.09 - 11:46 am | #
Well now we've set a new standard - plaintiffs get to tell their side of the story whenever we have Scotus nomineee.
good times.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:46 am | #
Sallyh,
Regarding the squirrels. Adopt a raptor.
bo, Tincture of Ignore! |
07.17.09 - 11:46 am | #
Barry from Alaska posted this morning that Sarah Palin tweeted that she's gonna stop being so PC in her tweets after she's no longer Governor!
IIRC, that's what Coolidge said.
MP |
07.17.09 - 11:47 am | #
HRC's refusal to stand down when it was time is pretty low on the list of shitty things Democratic candidates have done to try to win primaries.
But mentioning Bobby Kennedy near the anniversary of his assassination was pretty high on the list of shitty things Democratic candidates have done to try to defend staying in a race they've lost.
Don'cha think?
How was the play, Mrs. Lincoln |
07.17.09 - 11:47 am | #
yeah i cant imagine. .. . tenements! wow. multiple familes in one unit/room with hung carpets as wall and everyone has TB.
good times.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:47 am | #
those damn Laplanders...damned lazy lay about caribou herders! none of them have ever worked an honest day in their lives!
shermhead
There's one trying to move into my neighborhood.
shrimplate |
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07.17.09 - 11:48 am | #
Weird to think we're close to the 1-year anniversary of the conventions. Well, a couple weeks/months. But still.
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:48 am | #
--->now (D-SC) | Homepage | 07.17.09 - 11:43 am
Politics as "usual".
And so we're back to Sarah Palin for another hundred or two posts.
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:48 am | #
From wignut ad "No Tax on Simple Pleasures": Congress wants to tax soda. But taxes never helped improve health care.
Obviously there is no benefit to continuing this line of discussion. I said what I said and nothing more or less, and will desist in order to avoid having any reprehensible words put in my mouth. The whole thing is over.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:49 am | #
Whoops! internet foul, saying "One-year anniversary."
The Furies will be after me with their nerf bats.
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:49 am | #
and now HRC is a successful SoS and Obama is um doing . . . too early to tell.
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:49 am | #
There's one trying to move into my neighborhood. - shrimplate
Think positive. You won't have to go that far for a Lapp dance.
bo, Tincture of Ignore! |
07.17.09 - 11:49 am | #
"Teh smart black dude who isn't even a US citizen hasn't undone Chimpy's eight years of destruction in six months is clearly a fraud!"
MP |
07.17.09 - 11:50 am | #
There is the fact that she probably doesn't have complete control over the show; she's got producers she has to keep happy.
I would bet Pat has a rather hefty contract with MSNBC and everyone who hosts a show is told to go easy on him, to a certain extent.
"Why don't you want the best people to run it? I don't get it."
Because, in their tiny brains, the best people 'already' run it, and they want to keep it that way. membership has its priveldges.
The answer to pat's bit about the framers all being white, and the people at gettysburg and normandy were all white wasn't to argue details but rather to point out that according to his logic, only white males get to enjoy the benefits or spoils. It's a more polite way of saying, 'know your place'.
Further, the fact that the framers were all white men only idicates only that women and people of color were not allowed to participate at all, or even asked to. And if Pat had his way, it would still be that way.
jdw |
07.17.09 - 11:50 am | #
"And then we'd have the right to go bashing anyone who didn't vote for top-hat-pot-leaf-man! MasterD, damn yankee | 07.17.09 - 11:40 am"
what? that guy was not on my ballot! I would have so voted for him. since NY went 60-40 for BO.
I voted for BO and expected middle-of the road, business as usual results, but at least we would have Joe Biden saying dumb things instead of McCain and Queen Palin saying really really dumb things.
I am not disappointed on that score. The admin just approved building a road in a Tongass wilderness area for logging. and de-listing wolves in Montana.
Joe Blow |
07.17.09 - 11:51 am | #
Thanks for that . . . enlightening witticism, Bri.
Still confused about the trillion dollar budget, Bri?
Snow (D-SC) |
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07.17.09 - 11:51 am | #
Why was this obscure governor who was thrust into the national limelight given such a hard time? ... We offer one basic answer: She’s young and intelligent and pretty and posed a threat. She’s outspoken and unafraid to step on toes or opposing viewpoints. ... Walking away ... gives her time to reset herself to focus on whatever the job she chooses to do. And with Palin, we’re sure she’ll throw herself entirely into whatever job that will be.
Ohio's The Herald-Star, Steubenville
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:52 am | #
Think positive. You won't have to go that far for a Lapp dance.
bo, Tincture of Ignore!
More cowbell! Or would that be reindeer bells?!
shrimplate |
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07.17.09 - 11:52 am | #
"The problem is, she may see him swinging from the rafters, but there's no guarantee the public at large (if that's what you want to call the few people who actually watch cable news) sees the same thing..."
Whew. Thought it was 1909 for a minute there.
Gromit |
07.17.09 - 11:52 am | #
---> Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 07.17.09 - 11:51 am
Nope.
Just reading.
11:11
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The House Ways & Means Committee has passed the health care bill out of committee, but the next roadblock will be the Energy & Commerce Committee where the blue dogs could block it.
My Congresscritter Pallone is on the committee, but I'm sure he'll vote the right way.
Karin | 07.17.09 - 11:11 am
Brian from Ohio |
07.17.09 - 11:53 am | #
Whew. Thought it was 1909 for a minute there.
Gromit
You could've just stopped one of the passing giant-wheeled bicyclists and asked them.
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:53 am | #
Has Mooselini's appearance in the NYT crossword been a hot topic of conversation this morning?
I wonder whether she will ever hear about it.
Professor Wagstaff |
07.17.09 - 11:53 am | #
Weird to think we're close to the 1-year anniversary of the conventions. Well, a couple weeks/months. But still.
Further, the fact that the framers were all white men only idicates only that women and people of color were not allowed to participate at all, or even asked to. And if Pat had his way, it would still be that way.
jdw
He's mastered the circle.
Pukecannon: White men deserve a disproportionately large representation because they've always constituted the group that has had power.
Nice neat circle there, bubba.
JT | 07.16.09 - 9:16 pm
JT |
07.17.09 - 11:55 am | #
40 years next week since the greatest achievment in the history of mankind...
40 years since the invention of New Coke?
Jay C. |
07.17.09 - 11:55 am | #
sheeeeeeeeeets
euphronius failure |
07.17.09 - 11:55 am | #
Why was this obscure governor who was thrust into the national limelight given such a hard time? ... We offer one basic answer: She’s young and intelligent and pretty and posed a threat. She’s outspoken and unafraid to step on toes or opposing viewpoints. ... Walking away ... gives her time to reset herself to focus on whatever the job she chooses to do. And with Palin, we’re sure she’ll throw herself entirely into whatever job that will be.
Ohio's The Herald-Star, Steubenville
Brian from Ohio | 07.17.09 - 11:52 am | #
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or maybe it's just because whenever she gets near a microphone, a whole bunch of stupid starts falling out of her mouth.
Don Coyote |
07.17.09 - 11:55 am | #
It is the job of the media to give anyone and everyone who would hold high office a hard time and ask them tough questions. Sarah's problem is that she's utterly out of her depth and therefore has no option except to be a pathetic WATB about it. If you want to see how somebody with real chops deals, you just have to look at HRC or more recently Soto.
slartibartfast |
07.17.09 - 11:56 am | #
'Whoops! internet foul, saying "One-year anniversary."
The Furies will be after me with their nerf bats.
Jay C.'
I have my bell, book, and candle at hand, but I have to go to the ATM machine first.
Professor Wagstaff |
07.17.09 - 11:56 am | #
Norman Lear thought Archie Bunker would make the ignorance of racism a national laughing stock.
It did, for some, but there were millions who loved Archie because they saw themselves on TV for the first time.
Gummo |
07.17.09 - 11:56 am | #
yeah but white men built this country so they should always rule it.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:56 am | #
well that's true but he had an unchallenged forum in Human Events.
True, no one reads that, but Maddow probably figured she should still try.
C/T, translator |
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07.17.09 - 11:58 am | #
Dave, my mother started out by joining a mother's group when I was small. They'd have coffee and talk. She was a member of the ladies' guild at her church. My da had taught her to play bridge while they were courting, and pretty soon, she belonged to several bridge clubs. She was very, very good at bridge and started on her way to becoming nationally ranked. By the time I was in HS she was playing 3 times a week--social, duplicate, and tournament. She began working part time when my youngest brother was 2 and did advertising for a real estate firm for the next 25 years. She didn't slow down on the bridge circuit till about five years ago; she noticed she wasn't as sharp as she used to be. She got a computer and she and her friends were all electronically linked. She had artistic talent and painted because it was fun. She loved her grandkids and saw them every chance she got. She played in several scrabble leagues, ran a travel club for seniors, traveled extensively, and made a damn good life for herself. She was a widow at 53 and she was not about to curl up in the fetal position and fade away.
What I remember most of her is that she always contrived to lead her own life, and she did. We were raised on benign neglect, and I remember it as being the best part of growing up.
summery white shoes
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07.17.09 - 12:02 pm | #
It did, for some, but there were millions who loved Archie because they saw themselves on TV for the first time.
Gummo
What was the joke I saw once on AllHatNoCattle?
Oh, yeah - if someone wonders why people are laughing at Archie Bunker "when he's making a lot of sense", they are a right wing idiot.
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