HULK SMASH!!!
kewl
Why is Atrios awake so early?
triple
heh.
Oh jeeze.
damn cats
So, are you in the new digs, Atrios?
Cats like their people awake and feeding.
answer:
Straight-up bullshit in it's purest form.
Politics.
Oh, we brought our dog wit us too.
She isn't going boating though.
The domestic shorthair next-door has been usurped by a puppy, and is not pleased.
Maybe she can co-keynote the RNC with Lieberman this summer.
Atrios,
Did you attend the Obama rally?
I just watched it - He had a huge crowd! It looked like fun!
Diane has good words for CA for stopping insurance cos cancelling policies when claims are made on them at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
I blame Soros.
Speaking of Soros, you guys get your checks?
I suspect that Hillary doesn't really mean it totally. She was playing to her audience in a "private" conversation.
She needs to stop soon, she is not going to be the next president.
I'm not sure, but I might have had a wee bit too much elitist chardonnay last night.
Just saying...
Uh-huh. Riiiiiiiiiiight.
us DFH's are just so negative.
I suspect that Hillary doesn't really mean it totally.
This is snarkety snark snark snark, right?
I had the perfect amount of proletarian vodka. myself.
Oh, crap...like I needed to be dissed by a candidate of my own party.
Good morning.
Since kos doesn't consider me a Dem anymore, I really have no dog in this race.
The tape was made months ago.
move on's original name was "censure and move on"
You know, there *is* something a tad presumptive about HRC dissing all these grassroots types. You could even kinda call it elitist...
My pet issue:
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Dear Editor,
It was recently reported that top officials of the Bush administration met regularly in the White House to discuss and approve specific torture techniques to be used on prisoners in U.S. custody. President Bush subsequently admitted that he knew about these meetings and approved of them. He further specified approval of what was done to one specific prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, whose treatment included techniques outlawed in the United States and under numerous international treaties such as the Geneva Conventions.
Admission of such crimes deserves media attention at the least, and quite possibly investigation and prosecution. I doubt that most Americans approve of such things being done in their name. Not only is torture counterproductive in yielding useful information, but more importantly -- like refusal of habeas corpus rights -- it sacrifices the very principles of law and humanity we claim to uphold. To grant our representative government such unconstitutional powers should alarm and dismay liberals and conservatives alike.
I was staying true to my class with the porter last night.
"MoveOn ate my flag pin!"
-Nash McCabe
I am trying to be charitable. I know some peeps will jump into the let's reinvestigate Vince Foster mode.
She was speaking to DLC type donors trying to get them to empty their wallets.
All politicians use red herrings/red meat. I just wish she didn't use the base as hers.
Well that's ironic. Hillary is pissed at the org that was on Bill's side.
Tomorrow is this boy's 2nd b-day.
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She was playing to her audience in a "private" conversation.
Maybe but why does she have an audience of MoveOn haters?
She should have started talking Farrakan (sp?) again. That would really have gotten them to empty their wallets.
Gotta reline the wife's spinning outfit with power pro braided mono.
Saves $6 everytime you save a lure.
To grant our representative government such unconstitutional powers should alarm and dismay liberals and conservatives alike.
Lapel pins! Lapel pins!
Halfdan -- We gonna meet V4VA at the Saucer, Thursday?
.
So McBush will be on Wee George Hannity tomorrow. Does the latter tongue bathe him in defiance of all his critics -- or hit McBush hard?
I think I know the answer.
my lapel pin says No More GOPervs, with a fleur de lys in the background. okay, I made that up.
Halfdan -- We gonna meet V4VA at the Saucer, Thursday?
Thursday yes.
Keith had a list of questions Wee George
might ask Huggy Bear.
Back to artistic ability:
I am learning more and more about the spectrum of musical ability and the relationship between natural ablities and learned skills.
For example, this show I am doing, with actors who sing. They are all talented in varying degrees, but some can't read music, some are unable to express in musical terms what they want. On the other hand they learn very quickly.
questions for McPain at This Week, see http://www.americablog.com/2008/...-
corner_18.html
Maybe but why does she have an audience of MoveOn haters?
Halfdan
The DLC crowd is part of our party. She needs their money and votes. I don't like how it is often done, but the object of an election tends to be getting money, running a campaign and winning.
The DLC crowd is part of our party.
That's the problem, right there.
The ability to make my hand draw the line my mind imagines drawing is something I do not possess. When I have seen the ability in others I have marveled at it.
So no one else has seen this anti-birth control ad?
It's one of the sidebar ads in facebook, and features a young woman in a green t-shirt that says "kill the pill" or something.
the object of an election tends to be getting money, running a campaign and winning.
trifecta
Then there's those pesky voters....
seriously, I watched a winger run for office without ever once taking voters' wishes into consideration. not surprisingly, lost.
Welp, let's go prep for this 2nd trip east in a week, y'all.
Hold the butterstick, gently... and I'll see y'all on the other end of the state!
♥
That's the problem, right there.
Moe Szyslak
Unfortunate but true. Also unfortunate that without them we don't win elections. The left is the fringe of the party.
plantsman, that's called Impressionism.
Holy Crap!™ Yesterday, I was wandering around chuckling (mordantly) b/c Citi lost $1.5BB and the market loved the news (allegedly b/c it wasn't as bad as expected).
Now I look at the paper and see that I read yesterday's paper before I'd had my coffee and that that figure is actually $5.1BB.
And to think, I got flamed when I said that Hill was a triangulating DLC centrist creep who'd govern to the right of her husband.
And those are her good points....
Molly, I haven't seen it.
res, on the Citi losses, "Of course, we've been seeing for some time now that when a business shows losses, the geniuses in charge can save their stock from plummeting by cutting the workforce. If the cuts were in the executive suites, it would make better business sense since that's where the failure to improve actually occurred. But no! in high finance circles, the rewards continue unabated in executive-land when losses show up on the books. It's only those who did the job they were assigned that get the boot. And like today in that financial realm alternate reality, the stock goes up.""
from http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/...oure-
doing.html
I think maybe I'll just go back to bed and restart the day later.
Now I'm really going to go out on a limb.
You know how I'm always saying that of course I'll support Hill if she's the nominee because, of course, it would be a disaster of Biblical proportions if McCain got to nominate the next Supreme Court guys?
Well guess what -- I have absolutely no confidence that Hillary will nominate reliable liberals to the Court. Or actually work hard to get them appointed.
That's how little I trust her....
from below:
From plantsman's Herbert link:
Bill Clinton tried hard to lose, with sex scandals and whatnot, during the 1992 campaign. But Ross Perot wouldn’t let him. Mr. Clinton won with a piddling 43 percent of the vote. For eight years, Mr. Clinton tried to throw the presidency away (with sex scandals and whatnot), but he was never able to succeed.
This is horseshit, Perot cost Clinton the majority, he didn't help Clinton win.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.19.08 - 7:39 am |
Unfortunate but true. Also unfortunate that without them we don't win elections. The left is the fringe of the party.
qlª
Here's a thought experiment: what would have happened had the DLCers just went over to the Repugs instead? Arguably, the only difference would be that the Repoublican party would have been somewhat less crazy, and the Democratic party would have had more of a spine. And, arguably again, there would have been very little difference in election trends.
Molly, I haven't seen it.
Hmmm. Maybe it was a hangover from too much elitist Merlot.
But I don't think so. I just can't find it again, and I want to blog about it.
haven't seen the ad. But a bunch of potential kill the anyone crowd on CSpan wanting lots of KKKourt rulings for death penalties.
And to think, I got flamed when I said that Hill was a triangulating DLC centrist creep who'd govern to the right of her husband.
I copped to owing you many elitist chardonnays on this, simels. You were right. I was wrong. I apologize.
By the way, didn't you live within 10 blocks of Bernadine Dohrn in the '80s? When will you denounce her?
Haloscan: go blow the DLC en masse.
This is horseshit, Perot cost Clinton the majority, he didn't help Clinton win.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
Six of one....
Molly,
Is that hole closed?
Well guess what -- I have absolutely no confidence that Hillary will nominate reliable liberals to the Court. Or actually work hard to get them appointed.
I think you're absolutely wrong on this score, but that probably doesn't come as a surprise.
By the way, didn't you live within 10 blocks of Bernadine Dohrn in the '80s? When will you denounce her?
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res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 7:53 am | #
Babe, I went with her.
Lovely gal....
Need more and better Democrats
Yahoo news hed:
Pope working to clean up priesthood
Ruth, It's like the '90s all over again -- borgs would cut thousands of people and the markets would rally. Yay!
I think you're absolutely wrong on this score, but that probably doesn't come as a surprise.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 7:54 am | #
I know, I know.
What can I tell you -- as a rule, I'm totally out of optimism about this stuff.
Babe, I went with her.
Did you really? She worked at a store on Bway in the '90s for much of the time. I think it was some sort of kids' clothing store or something.
The DLC crowd is part of our party.
Hillary is the DLC. She's part of that crowd. And that crowd is splintering fast.
res,
Yes. Thanks.
Oh, so I'm to blame for Herbert's column because I linked to it?
No one can say what "cost Clinton the majority", only that he didn't get one.
This is horseshit, Perot cost Clinton the majority, he didn't help Clinton win.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
Six of one....
steve hussein simels | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 7:53 am |
I'm just sick of this republican talking point being repeated by people who should know better.
And Herbert should know better.
With massive layoffs, the "markets" see lower corporate costs and increased productivity per remaining employee. Sensible see hundreds of thousands few people buying shit.
res,
Yes. Thanks.
You're not pulling my chain, right? I don't want you to have to eat a dime of that.
If so, (if it's really closed and you're not pulling my chain), great.
Did you really? She worked at a store on Bway in the '90s for much of the time. I think it was some sort of kids' clothing store or something.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 7:56 am | #
No, just kidding. I did see Valerie Solanis on the subway once, though. Scared the shit out of me...
I really hope things will be clearer after Tuesday. I know, many of us have thought the same thing quite a few times since January.
as a rule, I'm totally out of optimism about this stuff.
I completely understand. And you know that I adore you more than life itself anyway.
*mwah!*
(I was pretty happy with the Dora/Almodovar line myself.)
Off to do shit. Later, all.
I get to try to put the new belt on the vacuum. I'm so excited.
simels,
I saw Ayers in tha 'hood two Xmases ago. I think I was the only person who recognized him.
I don't think he was visiting Todd Gitlin or anything. Maybe he was seeing Brian Flanagan for the holidays.
(I was pretty happy with the Dora/Almodovar line myself.)
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 7:58 am | #
The Barney/Shoah thing was pretty cool too.
res, Moe, and the same execs that brought the losses get huge pckgs, but the stock brokers keep selling the stocks because they've 'cut losses' = workers.
Oh wait! I copped to having seen Ayers.
I denounce him!
I renounce him!
I reject him!
I think he's a huge poopyhead!
I saw Faye Dunaway in an Italian restaurant on the Upper West Side once.
Jest sayin'...
STEVE'S MOVIE REVIEWS.
"Forgetting Sarah Marshall"
The masses are clamoring for more films where the shlub gets the hottie!!!!!
"88 Minutes"
No matter what the NYTimes said, this is not the worst movie ever made.
"Zombie Strippers"
Didn't get to see it, but I suspect it may be the greatest movie ever made.
Ruth, I know how it works. A bunch of my friends work down there. I have a couple of friends that extracted millions from that place in the last 10-15 years. One of them got mid-six-figure bonuses for about five years running. Two of them retired about a year ago, i.e., they took the money and ran.
I handed Bobby Kennedy a cup of tea at a hearing once and my hand shook.
Oh, so I'm to blame for Herbert's column because I linked to it?
No one can say what "cost Clinton the majority", only that he didn't get one.
plantsman, silly | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 7:56 am
Um, where am I blaming you for linking to Herbert's column? I'm blaming Herbert for repeating Republican talking points.
And the "Bush lost because of Perot" and its variations are republican talking points.
I'm just sick of this republican talking point being repeated by people who should know better.
And Herbert should know better.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 04.19.08 - 7:57 am | #
I'll tell you the one that pisses me off --
"Al Gore ran a crappy campaign and he could have won if he hadn't distanced himself from Clinton."
The biggest example of revisionist history in my lifetime....
I handed Bobby Kennedy a cup of tea at a hearing once and my hand shook.
Ruth
Would it be horrible for me to note that I think bobby Jr sounds like Katherine Hepburn when he talks?
"Zombie Strippers"
Didn't get to see it, but I suspect it may be the greatest movie ever made.
steve hussein simels | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:02 am |
Is William Rehnquist involved with this?
The biggest example of revisionist history in my lifetime....
steve hussein simels
absolutely - it was the earth tones.
"Al Gore ran a crappy campaign and he could have won if he hadn't distanced himself from Clinton."
Well, if he hadn't sighed and rolled his eyes at the ceiling, etc., etc..
I was in Joe's Cafe in Santa Barbara when Jonathan Winters came in a white NASA jumpsuit with his wife and did impromptu stand-up until every one was drunk and laughing.
I handed Bobby Kennedy a cup of tea at a hearing once and my hand shook.
Ruth | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:03 am | #
I once shook the hand of a guy who shook the hand of Nikita Khruschev.
True story...
bobby Jr sounds like Katherine Hepburn when he talks?
trifecta
as long as it isn't Katherine Harris.
I blame Gore's lactation.
shaking hands going around this a.m.? simels.
Every once in a while I watch the "Kathy Wants" YouTube of Katherine Harris so I never forget.
Clinton was one of the few Democratic senators to vote against censuring MoveOn for the Petraeus ad.
Obama didn't vote at all, which seems to be his fallback position for anything controversial.
Just sayin'.
i blame the american people. Gore won, but it shouldn't have been close.
Being able to use a noun and a verb in a sentence is a threshold we have typically expected of our presidents until Bush. 48% voted for him in 2000, 51% in 2004.
I was in Joe's Cafe in Santa Barbara when Jonathan Winters came in a white NASA jumpsuit with his wife and did impromptu stand-up until every one was drunk and laughing.
"I like it,
An' all my ranch hands like it,
Why don't you like it, boys n' girls?"
When Winters was funny he totally fucking ruled.
He was hysterical!
BHO was probably out smoking crack at a Reverend Wright service with Louis Farrakahan (sp?) and Bill Ayers, that's why he missed the vote.
STEVE'S MOVIE REVIEWS.
"Forgetting Sarah Marshall"
The masses are clamoring for more films where the shlub gets the hottie!!!!!
FULL FRONTAL SCHLUB NUDITY!!!!!!
The Sideshow gives you Bobby Jr., too at http://sideshow.me.uk/
sapr08.htm...08.htm#04191242
Good Morning, peeps.
Paul Revere is ready to ride!
Being able to use a noun and a verb in a sentence is a threshold we have typically expected of our presidents until Bush. 48% voted for him in 2000, 51% in 2004.
FULL FRONTAL SCHLUB NUDITY!!!!!!
Finally: parity ... and we get ... Jonah Hill?
I think Obama wins Penn, and that will be the end of Clinton's run for the presidency.
I'm sorry about this, because I think she is the most able person in the race, but I think it's over for her.
Obama may win 49 states. He will certainly have huge coattails. The number of young voters will be larger than anyone's ever seen.
This may be in effect the second coming of Robert F. Kennedy, only this time there's no Sirhan (we hope.)
Gas in my neighborhood is now 3.99 a gallon. The war drags on. The economy's getting worse. And Obama is pushing the Sinfonian™ meme (which I think is exactly right): McCain = Four More Years of Bush.
The night of the election, the GOP will look back on 1964 with longing.
Weekend Rooftop Blogging plus the David Caruso stalker as a bonus.
atta is slanted. like earth toned.
Finally: parity ... and we get ... Jonah Hill?
res ipsa loquitur
No, Jason Seigal (sp?)
Clinton was one of the few Democratic senators to vote against censuring MoveOn for the Petraeus ad.
She might have thought that would win her some good will. Guess not.
I'm in MoveOn--or at least on their mailing list--and they did a poll to decide who to support.
But as you and I have discussed, I know a lot of people are angry with HRC and some of her positions, but I am not at all confident that Obama is the Great Progressive Hope. I just don't see it. He'll win, and he'll do well as a centrist president, and we'll bitch here about his handling of this or that issue.
Fez
Did you play hooky to see that movie yesterday?
Watching MSNBC since the Pope landed, I was glad Jon Meacham isn't Catholic.
Obama will attract a lot of new faces into the gov't and will be a very healthy influence. I still like Hillary, tho.
I like Jason Siegel, and I think he's kind of cute.
(He was naked in Knocked Up, too.)
Fez
Did you play hooky to see that movie yesterday?
res ipsa loquitur
Yes. And I'd play hookey again.
He'll win, and he'll do well as a centrist president, and we'll bitch here about his handling of this or that issue.
That would happen even if Edwards or Kucinich was president.
(Googling Jason Siegel.)
How many days until chicks?
why am i not shocked hrc is spewing dlc boilerplate in private?
He ran around in his underpants on Freaks and Geeks, even.
And I loved him in SLC Punk.
Good for you, Attaturk.
How many jokes have been made that the tape shows that Hillary Clinton is "bitter"?
I don't think he'll win against McCain. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.
(were president. Sorry, got other things on my mind.)
McCain has yet to bear the brunt of full assault. Let's wait and see how he holds up.
I don't think he'll win against McCain. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.
Susie from Philly
Wanna bet?
OMG this is the funniest video:
White collar job search.
Bacon, cheese, and tomato omelette is now cooking. Later.
but I am not at all confident that Obama is the Great Progressive Hope.
Of course he's not.
He'll win,
Hopefully in a muthafuckin' landslide.
and he'll do well as a centrist president,
Fine with me after the last eight years.
and we'll bitch here about his handling of this or that issue.
Good, b/c if we had nothing to bitch about, this blog is so over. It can't just run on sex talk, recipes, and stoopit and/or arcane cultural references, you know.
Cats and Dwarf Daffodils!
TOP CAT!
How many days until chicks?
20 or so. We're running numbers now to see if buying a shed is feasible, o if we hve to build our own henhouse.
Hey, when did plant zones start getting divided into a and b regions?
MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim
*smack*
Well, at least we know where she's getting her talking points from now.
"Al Gore ran a crappy campaign and he could have won if he hadn't distanced himself from Clinton."
The biggest example of revisionist history in my lifetime....
steve hussein simels | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:04 am | #
The media, even the 'good' media, really want to forget that Gore won the popular vote and that the Supremes vote was illegal.
The sparrows are bringing their fledglings to my feeder. They're cute when they teeter on the perch and chatter away.
How many jokes have been made that the tape shows that Hillary Clinton is "bitter"?
I keep telling people that "bitter" is gendered code, but no one believes me.
McCain has yet to bear the brunt of full assault. Let's wait and see how he holds up.
plantsman
Aw, hell, plantsman, he is never gonna have to bear the brunt of full assault. He gets the "GOP is the Anointed Party" benefit from the Corporate Media.
What he is gonna have to bear is the mantle of "GOP = Utter Failure" that everyone in the country with an IQ above room temperature already sees him wearing.
"Cats and Dwarf Daffodils!"
it's a good thing!
I am not at all confident that Obama is the Great Progressive Hope. I just don't see it. He'll win, and he'll do well as a centrist president, and we'll bitch here about his handling of this or that issue.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:14 am | #
Neither am I, by the way.
But I basically think the Democratic party has to go the way of the Whigs before anything substantive will get done in this country.
Assuming we have that much time left, which after 8 years of Bush I'm not sanguine about.
Not sure. I'm 8b, I do know that.
and we'll bitch here about his handling of this or that issue.
Good, b/c if we had nothing to bitch about, this blog is so over. It can't just run on sex talk, recipes, and stoopit and/or arcane cultural references, you know.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:20 am
As my dear friend has said about Bill Cliton all these years: If you didn't have something to complain about, you weren't paying attention.
We're democrats, we complain and prod and express our disappointments.
If we wanted to toe the line, we'd be Repubs.
We just put a wood box out back, and let the hens run wild. Had about 6 or so, at least a couple eggs per day.
Morning, all . . . I see Obama as a true progressive because he's operating like one; setting up systems that encourage citizen activism, not just in support of leader-inspired policies, but in helping to shape policies themselves.
Chicago has such a long tradition of progressive politics, historical models to build upon and on-going experience in what does and doesn't work. I find it exciting that he and Michelle come from that.
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I'm 8b, I do know that.
I'm literally on a line between 5a and 5b, and trying to decide if it's worth buying hydrangeas that might die.
McPain got dissed by DallasMorning news for his summer tax idea, called it pandering. yay.
The Kenosha Kid bought me a souvenir Cardinal Ratzass button.
The Sunset Western Garden Book has split the West into 24 Climate Zones for years -- it may have been a response to that.
OT, but --
Why I Love Blogging at Powerpop:
Just got a very snarky e-mail from a reader -- heretofore unknown to me -- who took umbrage at my digs against the post-Denny Laine Moody Blues.
She called him "Denny Lame."
I don't know, I'm sort of ambivalent about seeing this Jason Siegel person naked on a movie screen.
In private, I'd probably feel differently.
The Kenosha Kid bought me a souvenir Cardinal Ratzass button.
Are you going steady now?
(ducks)
Audio: Hillary Privately Blasted "The Activist Base Of The Democratic Party" For Caucus Defeats
By Eric Kleefeld - April 18, 2008, 10:10PM
Well, this should get anti-war voters angry with Hillary Clinton -- and be a real political headache for the home stretch in Pennsylvania.
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sorry but no. Hillary's 'progressive-feminist cult' following will forgive her every move. Even if she publicly executed Cindy Sheehan.
And as for antiwar voters, Hillary is aiming for the disgruntled white Democrats for Reagan now.
If you can mulch the crowns of Hydrangeas before cold drying winds hit (or a have small person do it), they're so showy and fast growing; I'd try at least one and see.
no racism
no sexism
no using right wing bullshit taling points
its a little late for those rules.
cant stop the hurricane with a fart.
kos, marshall, huff set the rules, us hillbots just live by them.
Are you going steady now?
I'll only know for sure if he invites me to the seder at his Irish relatives' house tonight.
I think Obama's governing style will be impacted by the degree to which the DNC controls the general election. I hope BO retains his independence and doesn't begin to feel beholdin to the party.
"Zombie Strippers"
Why would anyone want to refinish Zombies in the first place?
"Cats and Dwarf Daffodils!"
Luv that soundtrack. It's exactly the sort of stoopit and/or arcane cultural reference that makes my day.
steve!
Did I tell you? I don't think so!
I'm going to this work conference, and the keynote speaker is Gardner Campbell! That's our commenter Gardner--he's a prof at some school in VA. So I get to meet him next month.
LA TIMES ?: why wouldn't we want an intellectual president, esp after 7 years of a corrupt idiot?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opin...?
track=ntothtml
brilliant link at Making Light on how ABC would cover the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
I think the original article was Obsidian Wings (?)
I'll only know for sure if he invites me to the seder at his Irish relatives' house tonight.
(tries to wrap head around this sentence; fails)
"It's exactly the sort of stoopit and/or arcane cultural reference that makes my day"
really? i keep meaning to delete it because it so, um, annoying, esp in the morning...
Time for the garden now, all this zone talk making my hands itch for weeding stuff.
CA gets something right, stops ins. cancellations at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
I'm going to this work conference, and the keynote speaker is Gardner Campbell! That's our commenter Gardner--he's a prof at some school in VA. So I get to meet him next month.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:27 am | #
I think you did mention...that's very cool, though. Give him a big wet one for me when you meet him....
I'll only know for sure if he invites me to the seder at his Irish relatives' house tonight.
I have finally been invited to a seder to which I can go! Tomorrow, because we all have work conflicts tonight.
I'm on the local synagogue's mailing list too but I can never make it to their events.
Yeah, Zone 8b; where it can snow on April 19th.
went to a 'smoke and horses and thunder' Medieval Times show with relatives (kids etc) recently--
at one point the music veered dangerously close to the Moody Blues
Gotta run; good day to all.
Yes, it's at Obsidian Wings, and it's brilliant.
The Kenosha Kid bought me a souvenir Cardinal Ratzass button.
Not a flag pin?
{raises eyebrows}
Not questioning your patriotism or anything but ....
Mornin' all. Hack. Cough. Wheeze. Helluva way to spend my birfday...
If anyone, anywhere in the DC area needs to buy kosher wine, please come to Arlington Whole Foods.
I have... lots.
at one point the music veered dangerously close to the Moody Blues
I've never done Medieval Times. Is the food any good?
really? i keep meaning to delete it because it so, um, annoying, esp in the morning...
I'm in zone 6, but there's a streak of zone 5 running through Tirol and I'm sure it's close by.
'smatter, bill buckner?
fuckin' haloscan...
Happy Birthday, bill buckner!
(Thers's is Tuesday.)
Oh, and happy birthday.
Where the fucking fuck are my fucking manners? Fuck!
I keep telling people that "bitter" is gendered code, but no one believes me.
I believe you, but in this case BHO said it, HRC riffed on it, and the rest is history.
I've heard that word used to describe many femmes des certain ages.
FeralL is planting grape vines at his MO place this weekend. Best of Luck!
Buckner!
Happy birthday!
Allergies -- or cold?
Meet Nash McCabe, Oabama hater ....
went to the zoo with the same relatives and inexplicably from a seemingly empty 'compound' or 'habitat' or 'environment' came a constant stream of 'prog rock'....
for the life of me I couldn't figure out what was going on but nobody else was curious enough to hang around and figure it out
Felicitations, bill b!
Happy bday Bill.
Thers is so young.
Mornin' all. Hack. Cough. Wheeze. Helluva way to spend my birfday...
bill buckner | 04.19.08 - 8:32 am | #
Dude -- as your attorney, I recommend you being drinking heavily.
SB, no one goes for the food.
Meet Nash McCabe, Oabama hater ....
Southern Beale | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:34 am | #
I actually feel sorry for this person.
simels,
Will you be at that bar ce soir and will that friend of yours be there?
I've refrained from commenting about Hillary in recent months, just because I wanted to see how the process would play out, but this...
seals the deal for me. She sucks, she blows, and she doesn't deserve to be president because she doesn't grasp the that the "little people" are also an important part of her base. DLC whore. I was correct all along. Me and Simels.
I hope she goes down in flames in Pennsylvania.
Did you see Wilbaer the baby polar bear from the Stüttgart Zoo? So cute!
I've heard that word used to describe many femmes des certain ages.
Yep. It's like the "periodically" thing, and sorry, but it pisses me off.
I actually feel sorry for this person.
juan ono
I feel sorry for her, too, but I also want to do something to wake her the fuck up.
btw, is this juan no nonsense?
I've heard that word used to describe many femmes des certain ages.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:33 am | #
That's true, but if anybody seriously believes that's what Obama meant I have some bridgefront property in Brooklyn I'd like to interest you in.
BTW -- I think Brooklyn is a lovely borough.
Well, I'm bitter.
I've fucking had it with people who actively promote for status quo.
So sue me.
Meet Nash McCabe, Oabama hater ....
Southern Beale
I read that last night when you linked to it. The woman's had a very sad life and I don't feel like saying anything mean about her.
But talk about people weighed down by circumstances who focus their votes on marginal social issues (in her case "the flag") because they have little hope that the government can or will help them in any way that really matters to them... well, there you are...
Morning, Vicki.
simels,
Will you be at that bar ce soir and will that friend of yours be there?
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:35 am | #
Yes, I will, and god I hope so.
Et vous?
Yep. It's like the "periodically" thing, and sorry, but it pisses me off.
This "periodically" thing I do not know? What is it?
The "bitter" thing is always applied to unmarried women of a certain age. It's offered by way of "explanation" for ... something.
btw, is this juan no nonsense?
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:36 am | #
hi res. yes.
from 'nono' to 'ono' is only.........one plastic elephant band away!!!
simels,
Not that friend. Your male friend. The one we are trying to do the cupid routine on.
Morning, plantsman.
I love waking up, ready to seize the day, and then reading shit like this (I saw it at kos last night, too, though) just starts me out - pissed off.
except that 'bitter' wasn't referring to hillary or females it was referring to an economic subset of voters---------
male and female---------
The "bitter" thing is always applied to unmarried women of a certain age. It's offered by way of "explanation" for ... something.
res ipsa loquitur
More or less bitter than Norwegian Bachelor Farmers?
They're generally described as "dour and laconic" rather than "bitter" so I suppose you have a point.
That's true, but if anybody seriously believes that's what Obama meant I have some bridgefront property in Brooklyn I'd like to interest you in.
No, not at all.
Burn, Hillary, Burn.
I'll shut up now.
I read that last night when you linked to it. The woman's had a very sad life and I don't feel like saying anything mean about her.
I agree. I reserved all of my criticism for ABC News, which felt the need to search this lady out to do their dirty work.
Well, I've been pissed for a while, and holding my tongue about it for some time -- but the landscape has not changed, just become more clear.
Allergies -- or cold?
Persistent cold that I fear may be another round of the 'bronch. I'm retiring to the couch, and taking Thers' Jane Austen book with me. Gotta be fit for (P)atriots Day on Monday...
Couple of months ago, BHO said something about Hillary feeling the need to attack him "periodically"--I thought that was code, but was roundly abused for it.
But what do I know? I also think the finger thing was intentional. One cannot simultaneously be the greatest orator of the age and just keep making mistakes which just happen to all fall in a certain category. Maybe we all just read too much into "macaca" too.
You want bitter?
Check out that woman who went psycho on her husband on You Tube.
Oy.
The Lincoln-Douglas thing at Obsidian Wings is a hoot.
Fuck Wee George Hannity and Charles DeWolfe Gibson with rusty chainsaws.
judy chicago could have called her groundbreaking exhibit
the periodic table
I also think the finger thing was intentional. One cannot simultaneously be the greatest orator of the age and just keep making mistakes which just happen to all fall in a certain category.
I don't. He's done it before.
I do it. It's the best finger for scratching what itches.
The point of code is that you work it into whatever you happen to be saying. Context is not the point.
Whoo! Some legal analyst I saw said she really blew it for herself putting that on YouTube.
feeling the need to attack him "periodically"
What, like on her period? I don't get it.
Yes, V; you get it.
Couple of months ago, BHO said something about Hillary feeling the need to attack him "periodically"--I thought that was code, but was roundly abused for it.
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as a certified conspiracy nut I'm open to believing in all sorts of subconcious things going on.
it's entirely *possible* that 'industrial psychologists' are advising both campaigns and it's entirely possible that marketing 'geniuses' are devising subliminal messaging techniques.
Whoo! Some legal analyst I saw said she really blew it for herself putting that on YouTube.
I'd say. Judges frown on psychotic behavior.
I don't. He's done it before.
The people who screamed and cheered it didn't think it was an accident.
Yes, V; you get it.
Well, that's just stupid. It's so vague.
I never would have taken it that way, but I suppose people have all sorts of codes for all sorts of things.
But what do I know? I also think the finger thing was intentional. One cannot simultaneously be the greatest orator of the age and just keep making mistakes which just happen to all fall in a certain category. Maybe we all just read too much into "macaca" too.
If my memory serves me correctly, macaca refers to a type of primate, and its use, directed at a human, could only be insulting. You really cannot compare it to the use of "periodically", especially when Obama could have been referring to the ups and downs of their respective campaigns.
This Obama finger thing is on the same intellectual level as sightings of the Holy Mother on pizza slices.
CoT,
Did you see This Lincoln Douglas thing?
Check out that woman who went psycho on her husband on You Tube.
The one who is divorcing the bazillionaire? Yeah, funny to realize that the super rich have the same problems as everyone else.
Hello moonbats
I've also told people that when Leni Reifenstahl appeared in public for her 90th birthday wearing a dress with rectangular patterns resembling swastikas it was a statement
they pooh poohed it
but I fricking well know that she is a smartass who knows her symbolism
The one who is divorcing the bazillionaire?
Yep.
Aired some dirty, dirty laundry...
I've been really unmoved by the women the FLDS has put out for propaganda purposes. Flat not answering questions just doesn't do it for me.
If my memory serves me correctly, macaca refers to a type of primate, and its use, directed at a human, could only be insulting.
Allen also repeated the word several times in a matter of seconds to make sure no one missed the point. He didn't just let it drop and MoveOn.
Yeah, that last was subliminal, too... I'm practicing.
You really cannot compare it to the use of "periodically", especially when Obama could have been referring to the ups and downs of their respective campaigns.
Yes, but it does make people think that he's saying she attacks him when he hormones make her hysterical.
People don't choose to believe it: that's fine. But don't believe for one second that his campaign isn't carefully marketed and structured--just as much as hers.
She benefits from dumb white racists and the DLC; he benefits from frustrated survivors of the 90s and people who've been dying to be allowed to spew sexist shit in public for thirty years.
It's a wash.
This Obama finger thing is on the same intellectual level as sightings of the Holy Mother on pizza slices.
Sadly, that's how low the bar's been lowered.
I agree with you, though.
Yes, but it does make people think that he's saying she attacks him when he hormones make her hysterical.
He could have said the same thing for a male opponent, and it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow.
IDF soldiers torture, choke, beat and murder Palestinians
Heather Mills' disease is contagious: "I've stumbled, and I can't shut up!"
"Pope confronts abyss of faith at Ground Zero"
Why is Ground Zero an "abyss of faith"?
Morning, kidz. What's new? - by which i mean, what have i missed in the last several days working?
No, i got the earthquake.
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"She sucks, she blows, and she doesn't deserve to be president because she doesn't grasp the that the "little people" are also an important part of her base."
i could never understand the dlc's hatred of 'activists'. sure, i suppose there is some value in having a LW target to bash. but corporate $ will only buy commercials, and when the election is over yer gonna owe these people. you also owe 'activists', but they are the people that knock doors, drive people to the polls, make phone calls. wtf is wrong with owing people instead of corporations?
It's a wash.
Well, I'll say it one last time: I think Al Gore fucked it up by colossal proportions in not running this year.
I'm not enamoured with either Barack or Hillary. I haven't been.
I'd have been okay with Edwards; more than okay, actually.
But my boyfriend fucked up, and for that, I want to karate chop him in the nads.
I'm pretty sure Obama meant bitter, like, all those white men working in the factories and mines and mills are bitter that they still living fucking rural Pennsylvania, even though they are 4th generation Irish/Polish and they should masters of the universe by now goddammit! -- and they don't know who to blame or want to hold on to make them feel superior to black and other lesser beings so they cling to guns and god and their hated of men who take it up the ass.
Oy. Where is Cardinal Ratzass going to be today? Should I even try to leave my house?
(Although I have to say that midtown was quieter than usual yesterday. I think a lot of people stayed home. I actually had zero problems navigating the area around the borg, which was near both the UN and the synagogue where Ratzass prayed or toured or whatever he does.)
He could have said the same thing for a male opponent,
But he didn't.
And Allen could have called anyone macaca, but he called a kid of Indian descent that.
Because if only the PATH train riders had believed, Al-Qaeda would never have attacked the Twin Towers, doncha know!
Yes, but it does make people think that he's saying she attacks him when he hormones make her hysterical.
I certainly didn't jump to that conclusion.
I think we've reached the silly phase of both campaigns. I'm with Howard Dean: we need a decision NOW. We can't wait until June.
we democrats will probably lose this election in november because we never learn that the party is run by people who are generally bicoastal and completely out of touch with america. we think that things should be as we think they should be and not as they are. that's why flag pins matter; why mindlessly saying we love america without any actions to support that are important; why bowling more than a 37 is a comfort to people. hell, even this post of mine is the patronizing elitism that makes it impossible for us to get a democrat elected to the white house. only 2 southerners have made since Johnson and both were viewed as down to earth even if they were not.
we never learn. obama may still win but it shouldn't even be a question with a lousy economy and an unpopular war. and against a guy near death.
my dad says that this won't matter as McCain will win in November
not an admission of support mind you just his observation
the spats between Obama and Clinton and their respective campaigns could all come to naught if McCain wins
Why is Ground Zero an "abyss of faith"?
Because 14 guys, acting in faith, created an abyss?
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Seth, your concern has been noted.
Culture Of Truth | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:49 am | #
totally.
'Deerhunter'
IDF soldiers torture, choke, beat and murder Palestinians
But he didn't.
Yeh, I am pretty sure at that point in the campaign, it was really only Obama vs. Hillary. So I fail to see how this is a valid point.
And Allen could have called anyone macaca, but he called a kid of Indian descent that.
These situations are not comparable. Also, he could have said the same to a white guy, and it would be hard to take as a compliment.
The coasts are IN America, heartlanders would do well to remember that -- they provide economic and cultural vitality the country clearly benefits from.
I certainly didn't jump to that conclusion.
Nor did I.
"People don't choose to believe it: that's fine. But don't believe for one second that his campaign isn't carefully marketed and structured--just as much as hers."
his campaign speech is memorized. i've seen it a dozen times at least and got to the point i knew what the next line was. there's no reason to believe that in casual conversation he might fuck up.
had obama wanted to play sexist code i'll bet he coulda, tho. meanwhile hill and bill pull out the pull little woman card whever it suits them, bill going so far as to call her a girl. i didn't see howls of rage here for that..
And, Molly, your frickin attitude is why we won't win in November. Just your immediate dismissal of others is the attitude that so many in America hate, as they should. Your post reflects your belief that you are superior to others who don't agree with you. Its why your candidates will continually lose, why you'll continually be bitter, and why more and more of us will pick candidates that are more in touch with the world.
Here in Nashville we refer to ourselves as the "Third Coast."
Just sayin' ...
Hillary is periodical enough.
OR maybe an educated *elitist* uses words like 'periodically' when he could just as easily say 'sometimes'
6 fucking syllables. what is the guy anyway, a french homosexual?
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A former Catholic bishop popular with the poor is favourite to win Paraguay's presidential election tomorrow and sweep away six decades of de facto one-party rule.
Opinion polls give Fernando Lugo a 5% lead, which could be enough to usher him in as the latest member of Latin America's "pink tide" of leftist governments.
The bearded 57-year-old heads the Patriotic Alliance for Change, a coalition of centre and centre-left opposition parties coupled with grassroots political movements, farmers organisations and other social groups.
The Colorado party, the world's longest-ruling party still in power, has responded to the mood for change by fielding a female candidate, Blanca Ovelar.
The first woman to ever stand for the top job, Ovelar has closed the gap and could yet snatch victory to join Chile's Michelle Bachelet and Argentina's Cristina Kirchner as a female head of state in South America.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...d/2008/apr/19/
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my dad says that this won't matter as McCain will win in November
The Obama-Hillary War has done the impossible: it has given the public the chance to forget that McCain = 4 more years of Bushco.
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,,,more and more of us will pick candidates that are more in touch with the world.
Seth, is that why you are supporting John McCain? Or, let me guess: Ralph Nader?
But my boyfriend fucked up, and for that, I want to karate chop him in the nads.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
We all know you'd pull your punches.
...and lighten up, Seth.
What's wrong with French homosexuals?
I didn't hear that people screamed to Obama scratching with his middle finger.
Did see a clip of a big audience response to his shoulder-brushing gesture. Is that what you all are talking about?
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Well, sorry to make the point that politicians are, you know, politicians.
And people sneer when I say they're looking for a messiah.
I'm taking my bitter, periodic ass out of here.
The Obama-Hillary War has done the impossible: it has given the public the chance to forget that McCain = 4 more years of Bushco.
Oh, no. We have SEVEN MONTHS until election day, people. Plenty of time for McCain to stick his foot in his mouth over and over again.
...and lighten up, Seth.
Word up. Molly walks her talk, and she is entitled to her opinions and her observations, which are astute.
I don't believe Obama is above using sexist code words to win elections - in fact, long ago I said Obama was not weak, or naive, or green, or wet-behind-the-ears, which was the conventional wisdom, but was in fact a savvy and tough politician. Which also means he can be nasty too.
I disagree about the 'bitter' thing and the 'periodically' thing too, though I'd have to see it in context. The finger thing is complete news to me - not sure I want to know what it is.
Don't get me started on the Periodic Table of the Elements... sheesh.
What's wrong with French homosexuals?
plantsman, | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 8:55 am | #
not a thing if you're liberal or tolerant or progressive.
but plenty if you're not.
I was referring to the 'elitist' label being thrown around against obama and what it might entail.
Seth | 04.19.08 - 8:53 am | #
This is parody, right? Especially the part about Molly believing she's superior to others?
'mornin'
Drive-by cite to a good Derrick Jackson column in the Globe today:
The media exploded over Wright calling us the "US of KKK-A." Ronald Reagan became president despite kissing the ring of the KKK, starting his 1980 general election campaign by proclaiming "states' rights" in Mississippi, near where three civil rights workers were murdered. "States' rights" was code for segregation. Reagan was not asked about "states rights" in his debate with President Jimmy Carter.
Reagan's first term was marked by a failed bid to grant tax-exempt status to Bob Jones University, the Bible school which, among several un-American lapses, banned black students until the 1970s and interracial dating until 2000.
Reagan was not asked about Bob Jones in the 1984 debates. Nor was Reagan asked about his coddling of apartheid South Africa. In the 1996 debates, Bob Dole was not asked about his visit to Bob Jones University...
From Reagan to Romney, Republicans can to this day go to Bob Jones to "bring people together."
Obama instead is asked by the moderators to hand them either his former minister's head, or his own. Does your minister love America as much as you?
Answer no, he disowns the man who officiated his marriage and baptized his children, diminishing the very complexities he spoke about in his speech on race. . Answer yes, Obama destroys his campaign.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglob...ust_plain_bias/
Boy, I sure jumped to that conclusion.
And magazines are called "periodicals" by librarians -- it all fits!
Here in Nashville we refer to ourselves as the "Third Coast."
Just sayin' ...
Southern Beale
Whoops. That name has already been taken by those who actually have a coast.
Geez.
So tired of this shit. MoveOn quotes people - what they say. In whole, un-edited, in context.
It doesn't firebomb villages, it doesn't lie, it doesn't steal.
In what America are they the 'bad guy' for doing that?
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The finger thing is complete news to me - not sure I want to know what it is.
I saw it; and in my humble opinion, it wasn't much of anything, but I may not be sensitive enough to the code issues.
Don't get me started on the Periodic Table of the Elements... sheesh.
SEXIST !!!!
you know who should be shot when the revolution comes?
the Chattering Classes
forget the Aristos, its the Chattering Classes who do the most harm, and since they get lots of face time in the media, what usually remained in the dining room ends up being chattered to everyone else
Sometimes a guitar is just a guitar.
McCain Distances Self From Bush, Says US Worse Off Than 2000
Bloomberg - 13 hours ago
By Alison Fitzgerald April 18 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain distanced himself from President George W. Bush's economic policies, saying Americans are ``hurting badly'' and haven't fared well under this administration.
``Americans are not better off than they were eight years ago,'' McCain said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' to be aired today.
McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, fended off Democratic charges that he is simply following Bush's economic policies by pointing out that unlike Bush, he intends to end ``out-of-control spending'' as well as push for big tax cuts.
eh-uh? of course his base of the media will never show that mcsame supported and voted for ALL of W's asshole wishes that have fucked us till now...hey how about 8 more years of asshole repugnicant rule?
Molly IS superior to others, dude.
Oh, no. We have SEVEN MONTHS until election day, people. Plenty of time for McCain to stick his foot in his mouth over and over again.
Alas, that would only be relevant if Media Megacorp showed him doing so, and without saying "This is not a fuckup, it's a sign of manly maverick character."
IOW, he can drool all he will. He's the GOP candidate for the same reason Dubbyah was; a figurehead that will love being President, and won't interfere with his handlers running the show and skimming the Treasury.
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"The finger thing is complete news to me - not sure I want to know what it is."
he scratched his nose with his middle finger while talking about hrc. to the hillarybots, this is subliminable code.
silly season, indeed.
obama appears in public with his wife and children.
he appears to have a sexually alive marriage to his wife.
is he trying to ridicule hillary's marriage?
has he sunk that low?
The finger thing is complete news to me - not sure I want to know what it is.
I saw it; and in my humble opinion, it wasn't much of anything, but I may not be sensitive enough to the code issues.
Vicki
Yeah, like the 60 plus year old white former Laura Bush press secretary that is pushing it.
Whoops. That name has already been taken by those who actually have a coast.
Ours is a metaphorical coast. It references the music/entertainment industry here ...
Bloomberg television is elitist, Huggy. Try free media.
Michelle & Barak have settled the civil war reflected in Spike Lee's "School Daze"
The tragic conditions in Iraq have created the highest number of widowed women not only in the region but in the world. Basra has become city sized prison, as women find themselves captive of religious militias, slave traders’ networks and a large number of security forces, in addition to laws used against women.
Justifying the lack of any interference by British troops to stop political parties, militias and gangs from spreading unrest in the city, a former British commander said that his troops did not want to breach the "traditions" of Basra’s society. The government is using similar arguments. An official in the Supreme Security Committee of the province’s council has denied the existence of organized religious and sectarian crime against women, claiming that 85% of murder incidences are "honor crimes". Declining to reveal the number of "slaughtered" women, a leading source in Basra’s police said that disclosing such information would create turmoil in the city.
Um Naba’, a woman working at one of the city’s banks says: "violence and oppression practiced against women in Basra have weakened women’s participation in key positions. Many women now prefer to isolate themselves, to stay in their homes. They refuse to work, fearing the unknown that awaits them."
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4319...&hd=&size=1&
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Alas, that would only be relevant if Media Megacorp showed him doing so, and without saying "This is not a fuckup, it's a sign of manly maverick character."
One order of bad tuna salad on the Straight Talk Express might fix that problem.
She may BE superior to others, but she doesn't THINK she is. That's sort of the beauty of it, right?
McCain Distances Self From Bush, Says US Worse Off Than 2000
Bloomberg - 13 hours ago
By Alison Fitzgerald April 18 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain distanced himself from President George W. Bush's economic policies, saying Americans are ``hurting badly'' and haven't fared well under this administration.
Good luck with that, fucker. You ARE Bush.
Molly IS superior to others, dude.
Culture Of Truth
Indeed.
And is willing to disagree or agree with you perfectly civilly, if you can manage that yourself.
Cindy McCain as first lady scares me. Too "Barbie" comes to half-life.
The tragic conditions in Iraq have created the highest number of widowed women not only in the region but in the world. Basra has become city sized prison, as women find themselves captive of religious militias, slave traders’ networks and a large number of security forces, in addition to laws used against women.
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amazing that progessive feminists would even consider voting for an AUMF supporter
why you'll continually be bitter, and why more and more of us will pick candidates that are more in touch with the world.
Seth | 04.19.08 - 8:53 am | #
I think I speak for everyone here when I simply say to you:
Go fuck yourself.
Thanks!
Hey, Molly and I probably don't disagree on many many things...but we could lose yet another election because we never fucking learn our lessons...that America is diverse and that we have to play the game. Instead we bitch that America doesn't think like we think and so we insult them and we act like they need to be taken care of because they are just too stupid to do it on their own. Even the Super Delegate system in the Democratic party is elitist--to protect the power from bad choices by the masses. I'm tired of losing elections because we pick this candidates who are unable to connect to America. There is too much work to be done to constantly lose.
By Alison Fitzgerald April 18 (Bloomberg) -- John McCain distanced himself from President George W. Bush's economic policies, saying Americans are ``hurting badly'' and haven't fared well under this administration.
"My friends, we need to turn those Bush tax cutting policies to 11"
- McSame
In what America are they the 'bad guy' for doing that?
the aristocracy, duh!
and they have their bullhorn they own: teh media which amplifies the asshole attitude...but it can only work with an ignorant and uninformed public, somewhat a paradox, but a heaping-helping of skepticism must be used when media is owned by trillionaires
I have allergies.
I had coffee this morning.
I blame both on Molly's superior attitude.
I also blame her for causing my dog to bark at a squirrel.
Soon, I will denounce her.
Obama's playing to his base, many of whom are adolescents, sometimes literally.
FWIW, the scratching with the middle finger thing was very big when I taught high school, and is still very prevalent on college campuses. The kids do it to each other all the time. And as I noted, I think *they* certainly got it.
McStain, if you can't stand up to your wife, and must obey her every command, how will you deal with bin Laden?
"he is simply following Bush's economic policies by pointing out that unlike Bush, he intends to end ``out-of-control spending'' as well as push for big tax cuts."
how much he gonna cut from our biggest expense: our little iraq adventure?
"Cindy McCain as first lady scares me. Too "Barbie" comes to half-life."
That's a person? I thought McShitstan was shucking some corn.
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And people sneer when I say they're looking for a messiah.
If they do, it's probably because it's such a sneering put-down.
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A new report warns says US provincial reconstruction teams (PRT), a much publicized program for rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan, operate as ad hoc "pickup games" with no clear direction.
The study released Thursday by the US House of Representatives' Armed Services Committee found that the teams are often unevenly staffed and led, and lack strategic guidance or oversight.
"While capabilities have developed over time, PRT planning and operations started in an ad hoc manner and they remain decentralized," the report said.
"The relevant departments have not articulated clear objectives for what they want PRTs to do, and they cannot effectively evaluate their performance," it said.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4319...&hd=&size=1&
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FWIW, the scratching with the middle finger thing was very big when I taught high school, and is still very prevalent on college campuses. The kids do it to each other all the time. And as I noted, I think *they* certainly got it.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:02 am | #
we live in an age of manufacured, subliminal symbols.
this is entirely possible.
maybe not likely. but possible.
" And as I noted, I think *they* certainly got it."
brother.
Third Coast is an American colloquialism sometimes used to refer to the Great Lakes region. Use of the term implies that this region of the United States is distinguishable from both the East and West Coast regions. Although the term is still common in many areas of the Great Lakes, the term is commonly linked to the cities of Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit and Cleveland (which prefers the term "North Coast").
Astounding that "we democrats" segued so quickly into "your candidates"--two comments. That has to be some kind of record, no?
And I'm not at all superior. But I stand up for myself.
Read some of the thread:
Activists on the left are often portrayed as a pain in the ass. They're too insistent on ideological putiry; they insist on the priority of their own pet causes regardless of 'political reality'. They'd ratheer be correct than win an election. You've heard all this before. It's a cliche because there's an element of truth in it.
But only an element. Far more should bond us than separate us, especially this year, when a Democratic victory is imperative for the very life of the planet, much less for the economy, the war, the politicization of the Justice Department, the unitary executive, torture, all of it. And I believe, and hope, that when we turn our attention to our candidate vs. McCain, we'll unite.
And anybody who separates 'bicoastal' America from the rest of the country isn't really worth listening to, much. The idea isn't to separate, but to unite. And the bulk of Americans, er, live there.
get rid of the Chattering Classes and perhaps things might improve
FWIW, the scratching with the middle finger thing was very big when I taught high school...
Living in another country, I can tell you that using the middle finger to scratch your nose, or adjust your glasses is quite common. Just food for thought, not an argument either way.
FWIW, the scratching with the middle finger thing
Is this like when I push my sunglasses up my nose with my middle finger in order to, um, get a point across?
I typically do it in the presence of Republicans.
I don't know that they get it, but it amuses the hell out of me.
FWIW, the scratching with the middle finger thing was very big when I taught high school, and is still very prevalent on college campuses.
Except, of course (and really I can't believe this requires discussion GAH!) he wasn't scratching solely with his middle finger, he was scratching also with his index finger but because, like most humans, the middle finger is closer to the camera and bigger it obscures this fact.
robert f kennedy and eugene mccarthy also played to their 'base' many of whom were also very young
and martin luther king inspired many 'adolescents'
Good morning, friends.
I see that things are irksome already. An unknown 'ally' shows up being 'sympathetic' while parroting republican talking points and starting a fight.
But it's a beautiful day...
the Chattering classes contribute nothing to society, they don't build stuff or create things
they live off the back of the rest of us
And as I noted, I think *they* certainly got it.
Molly Ivors
Perhaps so... it was lost on me.
Sad to be the old dog who can't even hear the dog whistles anymore. 
'sawright, I didn't feel like fetching much, anyway.
Poor bill buckner must really feel like crap on his birthday... he popped in but disappeared. Hopefully he's having a nice birfday brekfuss.
Except, of course (and really I can't believe this requires discussion GAH!) he wasn't scratching solely with his middle finger, he was scratching also with his index finger but because, like most humans, the middle finger is closer to the camera and bigger it obscures this fact.
Attaturk | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:05 am | #
do you then DENOUNCE and reject your middle finger????????????????
I love marsupials.
But it's a beautiful day...
It's bizarre how nice the weather is. And just last week at the Fortress is was snowing...
Good morning.
It is a beautiful day.
in iraq widows are slaughtered.
but back to obama's finger
Okay, off to Gomorrah on the Hudson for a mysterious assignation.
Talk to all you fine folks much later this evening, j'esepre.
I recall the heady days of November 2006 when Harry and Nancy were going to lead us out of Iraq, confront the criminal Bush administration, and poop solid gold logs of crap.
I am reminded of that with some Obama supporters now.
Obama bashes secularists, has toured with a gay basher, has had a few crappy votes of his own.
He is flawed. He just hasn't been around long enough to show it.
I love marsupials.
especially with those little soda crackers
its raining here and the sky is grey
sucky weather
Apparently when Carter met with Hamas representatives yesterday, he was surprised to find Obama in their entourage.
Why would we consider electing a Muslim terrorist for President?
And I'm not at all superior. But I stand up for myself.
Sorry, if you stand for anything, you're being superior and self-righteous. Take it from me...
Anybody who has taught for five minutes knew exactly what Obama was doing. And yes, it is silly. Sillier still to try and pretend otherwise.
McStain, if you can't stand up to your wife, and must obey her every command, how will you deal with bin Laden?
think Nancy Reagan. McCain is the new senile figurehead.
"he is simply following Bush's economic policies by pointing out that unlike Bush, he intends to end ``out-of-control spending'' as well as push for big tax cuts."
how much he gonna cut from our biggest expense: our little iraq adventure?
Absolutely none. "Out of control spending" is the GOP phrase for "social spending". Expect cuts in education, Medicaid, another crack at Social Security, etc.
The war is necessary to keep the Gooper power (and profit the Daddy Warbucks). Tha leaves the social side as the child to burn on Moloch's altar.
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its raining here and the sky is grey
sucky weather
Moonbootica, Latitude 2008 | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:07 am | #
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at least 'Jerry' isn't zooming over the cliffs of Dover on a strafing run!!!!!!!!!!!
I was young, until I wasn't. I have always tried to do what is right.
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I don't know that they get it, but it amuses the hell out of me.
Which is all I'm saying.
When I say "messiah" I mean a rescuer who is above reproach. And I think a lot of people really think that about Obama. I know my candidate sucks™, but Obama supporters (with a few very intelligent exceptions) often seem to be buying into the idea that he's really not a politician at all. He's "natural," she's "forced"--that sort of thing.
Plantsman, silly,
You can do that too. Just get "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain".
Obama bashes secularists, has toured with a gay basher, has had a few crappy votes of his own.
Yes, and anyone not blinded by some kind of messianic fervor for Obama recognizes these flaws and incorporates them into their analysis of the two candidates. Both Hillary and Obama are flawed, but that will always be the case.
Oh, by the way, snark!
I recall the heady days of November 2006 when Harry and Nancy were going to lead us out of Iraq, confront the criminal Bush administration, and poop solid gold logs of crap.
And 2008 is a replay: people are looking for The Hero who will lead us from the wilderness, essentially hoping that their responsibility ends with voting for "the right person."
McStain, the term "pussy-whipped" was coined just to describe you.
Y'know, I read occasionally about people condescending on this blog. For the record, I've been disagreed with, often correctly, and engaged in discussions bordering on the heated. But I've never once been dismissed, dissed or condescended to by a regular on this blog. Nor have I ever felt that I wasn't listened to, even in dialogue with those who differ with me. (Excepting mimi and Econ 102, and even the latter atypically.)
Not once.
I think they called Bill Clinton "The Natural," right?
Good morning, all!
Who's being a poopypants?
The greater point, in my mind, is that Hillary COULD have had the Move-On's crowd's vote had she truly been, you know, ANTI-WAR. She's whining about the activists, but had she voted the right way from the get-go, I bet they'd be supporting her. I know I would.
She could have somewhat redeemed herself, in my mind, by voting against the AUMF, but she didn't. So the warmonger is whining because she's not getting votes from the anti-war activists.
You did it to yourself, lady.
And Frank Herbert is right.
Really. My patience is about gone with the Democrats. How much more bloodletting do we allow?
And ProfWombat, the Third Coast thing has been used for years to identify a specific form of writing endemic to the Great Lakes Region. There even is a Third Coast Writers' Group I once belonged to that promotes our region.
It is not to separate ourselves from the country but to keep our area of the country from being ignored by the self-important literary coasts.
When someone from another area of the country tries to usurp a name that has been used for a "Long time" it pisses people off.
I wish I could rent a car today and go drive around Lawn Guyland (e.g., go to cemetary and do spring cleanup, go to beach, etc.). The car would cost about $150 and the gas good Christ knows how much. I should probably join that Zipcar thang. Does this make me a terrible person (wanting the car, not the Zipcar thing)?
I really want to take a cruise along the Mediterranean, who's got $5,000 for me on PayPal? 
Moonbootica, What's the state of spring in Devizes? Do you have leaves on the trees yet? Tulips? Bananas?
(I was in Ireland a couple of years back and was very surprised to find palms)
Y'know, I have grave doubts about both Democratic candidates, but, c'mon -- John Fucking McCain, y'all!
Do I really have to say more??
When I say "messiah" I mean a rescuer who is above reproach. And I think a lot of people really think that about Obama. I know my candidate sucks™, but Obama supporters (with a few very intelligent exceptions) often seem to be buying into the idea that he's really not a politician at all. He's "natural," she's "forced"--that sort of thing.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 04.19.08 - 9:09 am | #
Behind the engaging rhetoric, Obama is an avowed policy wonk who loves to discuss ideas, and he is a bit of an intellectual snob.
It beats the dry drunk we've had for the last 8 years.
She's whining about the activists, but had she voted the right way from the get-go, I bet they'd be supporting her. I know I would.
She and Pelosi are of the same cloth in that regard...
res ipsa is the fund thing ok?
And Frank Herbert is right.
???
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Good morning.
I know that it's early, but I've got crappy beer blogging over at ze homepage.
HBK,
Yes, Molly says the hole is closed.
Thanks to all who contributed.
And Frank Herbert is right.
He who controls the spice, controls the universe.
I should probably join that Zipcar thang. Does this make me a terrible person (wanting the car, not the Zipcar thing)?
res ipsa loquitur
You really should, we'll be using it in a couple of hours to go to a family thing in South Jersey for the weekend.
But New York being what it is, you can't really just sign out a car spontaneously on a weekend. It's possible on weekdays, though.
Morning All.
What's the deal with all this finger scratching crap?
You know that has to be some kind of stupid attack when the Bush can't speak in public without boxes on his back and wires around his legs!
He even has to wait for transmissions to finish sentences!
Moonbootica, What's the state of spring in Devizes? Do you have leaves on the trees yet? Tulips? Bananas?
(I was in Ireland a couple of years back and was very surprised to find palms)
Gromit | 04.19.08 - 9:12 am | #
no leaves yet but lots of buds.
Does this make me a terrible person (wanting the car, not the Zipcar thing)?
Not at all, my dear. You have a combination of urges: to get out into more quiet greenery, and to tend a garden (of sorts).
Both Hillary and Obama are flawed, but that will always be the case.
Which, again, is all I'm saying.
I point people to this excellent piece by Brad.
Thus from now on, I’m going to call out both campaigns when I see them engaging in dumb bullshit that hurts the party’s chances in November It does none of us any good to positively hate either of these two candidates because both of them are very close on policy issues and neither of them is nearly as wacky as St. BBQ.
She and Pelosi are of the same cloth in that regard...
I am not happy with Madame Speaker at all. Same with Monsieur Reid. Better leaders, please.
Gummo,
How much of a lead time do you need with Zip to get a car on a Saturday? Do they take reservations?
Gromit,
I really do have to get out there soon, otherwise it gets all icky for the summer. It needs one good spring cleanup, which in a space of that size takes all of thirty minutes.
The beach would teh awesome today.
Gummo,
How much of a lead time do you need with Zip to get a car on a Saturday? Do they take reservations?
res ipsa loquitur
It's ALL about the reservations. The whole thing's computerized, you do it all online. Generally I find you need a couple weeks' lead time to get a car on the weekend when you want it.
People who are genuinely concerned about BHO's finger should have a look at the pic of Bush giving the finger to the camera and a listen to Cheney dropping the F-bomb on Pat Leahy.
Even if he did what is alleged, they should understand the difference between the Bush asshole fratboy "fuck you" finger and the wry res ipsa "you piss me off" finger.
Yes, thanks so much to everyone!
Someone else can handle the money next time. And we'll get a separate account, just for the Con, if we're going to make this a regular thing.
She's whining about the activists
I think she came dangerously close to whining about Americans participating in their political process.
A successful Democratic candidate should want that.
People didn't turn out in droves at their caucuses to defeat Hillary and intimidate her supporters. They turned out in droves because they want change in this country.
And it's not just activists who are sick of this war.
Molly,
I agree with you 100%! It is way past time for the candidates to go after the repugs and in a hard way. That, in my opinion is the only way we voters are going to see how they will be able to handle themselves in the real world!
You know, I distinctly heard Obama mumble the "p" in "Hope" in a speech last week. Clearly a slur directed at Hillary!
{rolls eyes}
And it's not just activists who are sick of this war.
virgotex, biter
No no, anyone's who's sick of the war is by definition an "activist." Ya gotta get your media buzzwords straight.
Living in another country, I can tell you that using the middle finger to scratch your nose, or adjust your glasses is quite common. Just food for thought, not an argument either way.
Living in a different other country, I can tell you that people do that here as a way to give someone the finger furtively.
Someone else can handle the money next time.
I'll do it.
It needs one good spring cleanup, which in a space of that size takes all of thirty minutes.
I think you're referring to a family cemetery plot, but this description could also apply to many a LI homestead.
Bob Herbert, rather than Frank Herbert, probably, though the latter was sometimes right, too...
DWD: whenever anybody emphasizes our differences rather than that which binds us together, they fall into the Republicans' trap. They want us at each others' throats. Leaves the field to them, damn their black hearts. Absolutely, lots of snotty superiority in NYC over midwesterners, southerners, like that, and absolutely, a lot of resentment created thereby. Obama, methinks, gets that, and is trying to do something about it. The way his attempts are greeted demonstrate that he's right to do so, and that he is therefore far more of a threat to their order. Fact is, there are folk on Wall Street who could get very, very rich funding manufacturing in the Midwest, but, since they can get even richer securitizing three levels away from assets and running hedge funds, they don't do that.
Thus from now on, I’m going to call out both campaigns when I see them engaging in dumb bullshit that hurts the party’s chances in November It does none of us any good to positively hate either of these two candidates because both of them are very close on policy issues and neither of them is nearly as wacky as St. BBQ.
God golly Ms. Molly, thanks for the quote.
This is what i'm trying to say. the real shitter of this candidate war has been that, before it started, a ham sandwich could beat McCain. Now the 'McCain = Bush' momentum is lost, and he's a candidate again. And that's before the MSM starts concentrating on "The Democrat is ane elitist un-American loser, but John McCain is Jesus' younger brother."
It needs to end. Flip a fewkin coin, but this rift has to end soonest.
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All Pope All the Time
Pope A Dope
Pope on a Rope
Currently, I am being instructed by the CNN reporters how the Pope dons his vestments in the Sacristy.
He puts on his pants the same way you and I do, one leg at a time.
Someone else can handle the money next time. And we'll get a separate account, just for the Con, if we're going to make this a regular thing.
May I make a suggestion? Price everything out and add $ 25.00 to the registration fee.
Just because you never know what may happen.
Behind the engaging rhetoric, Obama is an avowed policy wonk who loves to discuss ideas, and he is a bit of an intellectual snob.
I find that a lot of what interests me about Obama (and he was not my first choice in this race by any means) is very similar to what attracted me to Bill Clinton back around '91.
I find that watching Obama campaign is deepening rather than diminishing that attraction. I think what he's attempting to do is quite extraordinary and his level of execution is pretty good under extremely difficult circumstances.
YM, as always, MV.
For a Democrat, this is a gutsy and admirable move
the mcclatchy reporter on moyers journal, OMFG talk about bravery; first off she is a woman, going into sadr city and sunni areas where even troops don't go...and she's 26 years old
she said the 'surge success' had at least as much to do with sadr's standing down than the troop increases, the giant walls and the payoffs
Gummo,
Can a couple of people share a membership? I need a car maybe 3-4x/year. Sister res the same.
He puts on his pants the same way you and I do, one leg at a time.
billy b
Don't be silly! He levitates and singing angels pull up his pants for him both legs at once!
I think she came dangerously close to whining about Americans participating in their political process.
A successful Democratic candidate should want that.
That is exactly why I came out and said, "I'm done with her. She doesn't deserve the presidency."
That pisses me off more than anything.
seems to be Obama and Clinton have spent more time one upping each other than focusing on their real target and i truly think this hurts both their chances if either one becomes the sole candidate
I think you're referring to a family cemetery plot,
I am. My 100 square feet of land, LAND, Katie Scarlett!
Russians hold their cigarettes between thumb and forefinger.
Nobody knows why.
obama raises his middle finger as code to say
i get fucked regularly
Gummo,
Can a couple of people share a membership? I need a car maybe 3-4x/year. Sister res the same.
res ipsa loquitur
I don't know if they're even charging an annual fee anymore, they keep changing the price structure as they grow.
Check out the website -- they have different plans based on how much you use a car, like you would, we have the "occasional driver" plan.
Yawn...
When Atrios puts up the link to Obama calling pro-choice activists immoral, then we'll talk.
May I make a suggestion? Price everything out and add $ 25.00 to the registration fee.
Yep--see, you're the genius about this stuff.
And res, yes. Let' look into some of that there banking on the internets. I think paypal has some sort of thing where you can get checks and credit cards and stuff off your account--but it probably still needs to be connected to some kid of external account.
The Pope wears pants? I thought he was Catholic...
Gotto go write Opening Night notes. bbl.
Yes, Molly says the hole is closed.
Woohoo! Good news! Now we can start contributing to SP's college fund!
res, and in addition to what I just said about adding $ 25.00, you (or a committee or whomever) can decide whether or not you're going to pay a small stipend to yourselves for your efforts, or whether you'll donate whatever remains to some worthwhile cause.
I definitely would not price the Con on an "as divided per expenses" deal, I'd price it for everything that's going into, plus some.
Just my two pennies. You can tell me to fuck off now.
Propositions in Play
"No enlightened person wishes to be duped by his desires, his fantasies, his glands." Gordon W. Allport
"All coercive techniques involve, on one level or another, frightening, or threatening, or intimidating a person, so that they move into survival mode." Douglas Rushkoff
"If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it." Edward L. Bernays
"Everytime you watch someone else doing something(or even starting to do something), the corresponding mirror neuron might fire in your brain..." Arleen Raymond
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russell
"What we observe in the population today are the three destructive symptoms of persons whose minds are controlled by alien forces: 1. Amnesia, i.e. loss of memory. 2. Abulia, i.e. loss of will. 3. Apathy, i.e. loss of interest in events vital to one's own health and survival." Michael A. Hoffman II
"It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words and words can be molded until they clothe ideas in disguise." - Joseph Goebbels
"We shall assume that what each man does is based not on direct and certain knowledge, but on pictures made by himself or given to him...But what is propaganda, if not the effort to alter the picture to which men respond, to substitute one social pattern for another?" - Walter Lippmann
"The notion of rational man, capable of thinking and living according to reason, of controlling his passions and living according to scientific patterns, of choosing freely between good and evil--all this seems opposed to the secret influences, the mobilizations of myths, the swift appeals to the irrational, so characteristic of propaganda." - Jacques Ellul
"There are no facts." - Michel Foucault
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you mad." - Aldous Huxley
Russians hold their cigarettes between thumb and forefinger.
A hold over from the days when they smoked unfiltereds.
ProfWombat,
Sorry: would you like Phoenix to start advertising their new tourist attraction, The Freedom Trail?
Come and see the "Original North Church. Paul Revere's Horse's Shit. The Lantern he Used!" et al.
That is all I am saying. Nashville cannot use a name that is already used by another part of the country no matter how "cool" they think they are to do so.
I am not separating one area of the country from another. Just stating a fact.
And res, yes. Let' look into some of that there banking on the internets.
Yeah, no problem. I'll do a little research.
BTW, even if you added $25 to the reg fee it'd still be a bargain compared to freakin' Netroots Nation which is $450 just for the reg. Holy COW!
Now we can start contributing to SP's college fund!
WooHoo!
Russians hold their cigarettes between thumb and forefinger.
Nobody knows why.
Because if you don't hold them, they fall to the floor. Nobody's got an anti-gravity cigarette yet.
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There is nothing snobbish about being wonkish. It may be boring and dry, but it isn't snobbish.
OT
Rove blasts Abrams in 2,100-word diatribe.
In a more than 2,100-word letter containing 58 separate questions and written on April 13, Karl Rove blasted MSNBC’s Dan Abrams for reporting earlier this month on his alleged involvement in the politicized prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, and for using the testimony of Republican operative Jill Simpson.
Don't be silly! He levitates and singing angels pull up his pants for him both legs at once!
The jackass on CNN was talking about the Pope's youth rally deals calling them a Catholic Woodstock.
BTW, even if you added $25 to the reg fee it'd still be a bargain compared to freakin' Netroots Nation which is $450 just for the reg. Holy COW!
I saw that. But that's like a week long, I think.
Is that what Yearly Kos is now? Or are there two?
Dear Karl Rove,
Your concern is noted.
Now fuck off.
Enjoy prison,
res
There is nothing snobbish about being wonkish. It may be boring and dry, but it isn't snobbish.
That's a very elitist thing to say.
I think Obama is more natural at campaigning, but that doesn't make him a better person or a better President. But Obama is so good at glad handling, Bill Clinton was the real natural at that.
Hi Snow!
I got a new job. A REAL JOB!
However, please be advised that it will not deter me in my efforts to support you and your cause.
Because if you don't hold them, they fall to the floor. Nobody's got an anti-gravity cigarette yet.
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Cynicus
You're not privy to all the secrets.
even if you added $25 to the reg fee it'd still be a bargain compared to freakin' Netroots Nation which is $450 just for the reg.
Exactly my point! But I think they've got some full-time meeting planners working on that event.
I'm not interested in Nutroots...I like the intimate nature of this blog much better. I can just see me at a kos conference, being stuck in the middle between two pedants arguing about something trivial. It'd make the head explode.
Morning, all--
Happy news the Con is paid for and not by molly and thers' April family budget.
I'm hoping Hillary gets her ass handed to her on Tuesday. I can live with it if she doesn't, however. There is plenty of time to attack McCain on the issues. The collective memory of the American public is shorter than the lifespan of a mosquito.
And that McClatchy reporter on NOW was incredible, and all of 26, having been on the Iraq beat since she was, what, 23?
...The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russell
Yikes. Does that ring true, or what?
Sorry: would you like Phoenix to start advertising their new tourist attraction, The Freedom Trail?
Given the anti-immigrant attitude in Phoenix, there's a certain irony in that picture...
The Pope wears pants? I thought he was Catholic...
Good point. I just tacked that on at the end.
Yeah, that's yearly kos, Molly.
Molly that is what Yearly Kos is now.
Why they changed the name is beyond me.
$450 just to go to the panels. In Austin. In late July or August.
Kos was on Maher last night.
sorry that was supposed to be "not so good at glad handling"
Molly,
Yes, that's YK now. It's four days. And they had a one-day discount to $375 the other day.
When Atrios puts up the link to Obama calling pro-choice activists immoral, then we'll talk.
Kay, go back to bed then. We'll wake you...
That's right, Hillary. The race has been distorted by immature "activists" who can't tolerate all your Very Serious Grown Up Realpolitik. The fact that in terms of personal charisma Obama blows you out of the water has absolutely nothing to do with it. Face it, you have been beaten. The very furure of civilization depends on your facing it. If you persist much longer, you will live out your days in Liebermanesque infamy instead of as a respected party elder.
And that McClatchy reporter on NOW was incredible, and all of 26, having been on the Iraq beat since she was, what, 23?
that WAS a really good interview.
There was a heightened sense of anticipation outside the British embassy in Washington on Thursday morning. The streets round about were closed off by the police, helicopters hovered overhead and onlookers lined the streets. They were joined by embassy staff, out with their cameras in hopes of a snap as the motorcade flashed past. However, it was not their prime minister the Brits on the sidewalk were waiting for, but the Pope, leaving the papal residence further up the road.
It has been the story of Gordon Brown's visit: competition for attention in the US media in a week dominated by the first visit of a Pope to the White House in almost 30 years. As the headlines and comments below show, Brown will arrive back in the UK today as little known in the US as he was before the trip.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
politi....foreignpolicy1
billy b!
How's stuff?
Oh, and ProfWombat, you inspire us with your intellect and civility.
There, I think I've mostly caught up!
Molly,
If I handle the $$ it will free you to do the stuff you really shine at which is putting together the panels and getting sponsors.
I would be happy to do it. It will give me opportunity to deploy my mad Excel skillz.
ProfWombat is too good to us.
Oh, andshe has the nerve to call Obama an elitist, when she apparently finds real liberals so unwashed and generally icky.
RADNOR, Pa. - In a campaign where the Iraq war, the mortgage crisis, and the economy have been tops in the minds of voters, the two Democratic contenders yesterday sparred over a less weighty question: Who is the bigger whiner?
Hillary Clinton thinks it is Barack Obama, who criticized the barrage of harsh questions and Clinton commentary he endured at the debate Wednesday night in Philadelphia. Obama thinks it is Clinton, who has frequently objected to what she describes as tougher treatment of her by the press.
And with just days to go before Tuesday's critical primary in economically distressed Pennsylvania, the two Ivy League educated lawyers are delivering the same message to Keystone State voters: I'm being treated unfairly, but I'm tougher than my opponent, who can't take a little criticism.
Clinton made her pitch yesterday in a high school gymnasium, winning cheers from a mostly teenage audience as she castigated the Illinois senator as the class wimp.
"Did you see the debate the other night?" Clinton asked at Radnor High School. "I know that some of my opponent's supporters, and my opponent, are kind of complaining about the hard questions," she said.
hard questions? that is US politics in a nutshell: attack on meaningless shit and then point out the weakness...that is how we end up with a fucking retard as president
The Greeks and the Macedonians are arguing about the latter country's name.
Pluto doesn't care whether we call it a planet or not. It's still right where it is.
You raise a fairly deep issue, seems to me. Boston is highly confident of its association with the Freedom Trail and Paul Revere, and also lies within an economically viable area which has gone from strength to strength. The usage you cite is part of a regional identity that, sadly, reflects the tenuousness of the region, whose economy and identity has been systematically stripped and assaulted, which is a far larger question than an appropriation of a regional trope by another area. It's the most minor of slights, it changes reality not a wit, and is diversionary. It's worth a flip dismissal rather than a brood.
I would be happy to do it. It will give me opportunity to deploy my mad Excel skillz.
res ipsa loquitur
I am good at making Excel formulas.
No wait, that is baby formula. Never mind.
ProfWombat is too good to us.
I agree.
There, I think I've mostly caught up!
noblejoanie | 04.19.08 - 9:29 am |
no. you haven't denounced anyone yet
$450 just to go to the panels. In Austin. In late July or August.
I did meeting planning at my former job for almost 25 years. I have to say that scheduling a conference in the heat of Summer in Austin was tres stupid.
Seriously. Very, very stupid. It's too hot to breathe.
The conferences we did in the South were always scheduled for January, February, March, and maybe April, but never in the Summer.
If I handle the $$ it will free you to do the stuff you really shine at which is putting together the panels and getting sponsors.
Someone asked me "how did you get Krugman?" and I said "uh, I asked him?"
I can just see me at a kos conference, being stuck in the middle between two pedants arguing about something trivial. It'd make the head explode.
You could make them explode by talking about sex...
I got a new job.
Stupendiferous!
June 10 is the Primary. I need every vote I can get. I'll be getting to your area to see y'all soon.
Friday news dump:
Citigroup sheds 9,000 jobs
Posts first-quarter loss of $5.1 billion
NEW YORK -- Citigroup Inc. said Friday it will eliminate about 9,000 more jobs, after poor bets on defaulting loans and the tumultuous credit markets lopped $14 billion in value from its investments during the first quarter.
That write-down, plus more than $3 billion in costs related to consumers' credit problems, led Citigroup to a quarterly loss of $5.1 billion.
I read the links on Nash McCabe. I don't think she could be more wrong about Obama. No one who's father left them by the time they were two has had an easy life. That's a rejection that doesn't go away and sort of even gets worse as you get older, in my opinion. Obama has managed to deal with it and make it look easy. Maybe it's an indication that he has a mental toughness and emotional maturity that would be helpful in the presidency. (And quite a change from the recent occupant).
How's stuff?
All is well, my boy. Except for the fact that I had a leeeetle too much Dewar's last eve.
I have to say that scheduling a conference in the heat of Summer in Austin was tres stupid.
It just barely beat out Phoenix...
Face it, you have been beaten. The very furure of civilization depends on your facing it. If you persist much longer, you will live out your days in Liebermanesque infamy instead of as a respected party elder.
Nicely said.
ugh, gotta work. later bats.
fuck the dlc.
By the way, did everyone know that Hamell on Trial's EschaCon08 Performance
is on the Internet Live Music Archive?
You can download or just click on the "jukebox" in the upper righthand corner to just listen.
Complete with Sinfonian intro and extensive "thank you" remarks at the end.
It sounds really good... enjoy.
Someone asked me "how did you get Krugman?" and I said "uh, I asked him?
Maybe, but that stuff requires a bit of glad-handing and follow-up and shit. Plus, you have the academic street cred. I'm just some schmuck from a borg.
Anyway, I'll handle the cashish and you can handle the peeps.
I used to organize a Joyce conference in Miami, in February.
Very well attended. People like to go to Miami on their school's dime at that time of year.
"June 10 is the Primary. I need every vote I can get. I'll be getting to your area to see y'all soon.
Snow (D-SC) "
GREAT! Let me know via e-mail what you need in this area or where you'd like to go and speak. I'll put lots of word out and get you plenty.
Pope is on every channel on my teevee
He is wearing a pointy hat
In the village in the village in the village
life repeats itself, life repeats itself.
There is sunlight; there is darkness. The dark repeats itself, the light repeats itself;
planting repeats itself, harvest repeats itself.
Yet life is never dull. It pats the drum-hide of the night and is satisfied.
It listens for footfalls when the dogs bark
in the village in the village in the village
In the village in the village in the village
life repeats itself, life undoes itself
and then does itself up in the same guise.
We are careful not to fail to repeat
the same salutations, the same farewells
our parents and our parents' parents use.
They are wise; we are small and the day long.
Death comes but once but when it comes to life
no one would be unwilling to repeat
in the village in the village in the village
Andrew Oerke
On the contrary. You guys are too good to me. You guys saved my life. You have no idea.
All is well, my boy. Except for the fact that I had a leeeetle too much Dewar's last eve.
How 'bout some hair of the dog?
owls!!!!!!!!
You could make them explode by talking about sex...
They'd get all pedantic on that, too, I fear.
"You mean you lick it how?"
"No, that's not correct. It's supposed to be done like this!"
On the contrary. You guys are too good to me. You guys saved my life. You have no idea.
ProfWombat
I do! Well, not the specifics, but I get it.
We had this discussion last night.
Obama has managed to deal with it and make it look easy. Maybe it's an indication that he has a mental toughness and emotional maturity that would be helpful in the presidency.
Yep.
I wish i had an african father who left teh family and developed a drinking problem.
lucky ducky
Yawn...
When Atrios puts up the link to Obama calling pro-choice activists immoral, then we'll talk.
dan | 04.19.08 - 9:22 am | #
Double yawn and a LOL for good measure. Obama has an unblemeished record in support of choice. Why did your Mama carry you to term?
"MILWAUKEE - The beer that made Milwaukee famous hopes to stage a comeback by returning to a brewing formula discarded more than 30 years ago."
Put that right next to "New Coke" in the Lame Brain Ideas file ...
By the way, did everyone know that Hamell on Trial's EschaCon08 Performance is on the Internet Live Music Archive?
Oh. This is emphatically NOT SAFE FOR WORK.
Unless you work in a bordello... maybe not then.
Especially track thirteen. Just sayin'...
You raise a fairly deep issue, seems to me. Boston is highly confident of its association with the Freedom Trail and Paul Revere, and also lies within an economically viable area which has gone from strength to strength. The usage you cite is part of a regional identity that, sadly, reflects the tenuousness of the region, whose economy and identity has been systematically stripped and assaulted, which is a far larger question than an appropriation of a regional trope by another area. It's the most minor of slights, it changes reality not a wit, and is diversionary. It's worth a flip dismissal rather than a brood
That is contradictory.
I am just tired of people just taking whatever they feel like taking. Sorry, that "Name" has been taken.
Find another.
And you may perceive this as trivial and it is. But contrarily it is not. When they come and take the water, will that be just "water" then?
By the way, did everyone know that Hamell on Trial's EschaCon08 Performance
is on the Internet Live Music Archive?
I was thinking of posting at FDL so people could hear Hamell's improvised love ballad to Jane Hamsher, but listened to it again last night and decided that those Very Serious People would likely be offended.
Funniest moment of the con, I thought.
hard questions? that is US politics in a nutshell: attack on meaningless shit and then point out the weakness...that is how we end up with a fucking retard as president
Again, mandatory reading: Joe McGuinness' The Selling of the President 1968.
Thoughtful things, policy things, they are 'cool media' and play incredibly poorly in the 'warm media' of television. Emotional bits make good tv.
Since Nixon made television campaigning - selling yourself as a product via advertising - the norm for US politics, the public debates lost all semblance of being over issues. Instead, the 'issue' became a baeuty contest - which candidate can be more successful as "I'm not really a politician, but I play one on TV."
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I used to organize a Joyce conference in Miami, in February.
Very well attended. People like to go to Miami on their school's dime at that time of year.
Molly Ivors
Lot of Joyce Dewitt fans in academia too.
sheetzes.
It just barely beat out Phoenix...
PHX in August... < SIGH > The shimmering waves of heat off the asphalt, the monsoon dust storms rolling in off the mountains, the one month where it feels like the Gulf coast in terms of being able to drink the air.
What's not to like? And the resort prices, for some reason, are only about a third that of February!
Pope is on every channel on my teevee
PHX in August... < SIGH > The shimmering waves of heat off the asphalt, the monsoon dust storms rolling in off the mountains, the one month where it feels like the Gulf coast in terms of being able to drink the air.
Tubing down the Salt River is hella fun though.
"you are ready for the Piercing Pagoda lifestyle"-David Broder to Hillary
Oh, and ProfWombat, you inspire us with your intellect and civility.
There, I think I've mostly caught up!
noblejoanie | 04.19.08 - 9:29 am | #
I agree. ProfWombat treats all of us with courtesy and respect. Fuck if I know why.
DWD: I don't believe I contradicted myself. I think your anger over stuff that's worth being very angry about is boiling over into something far more trivial, investing it with far more importance than it deserves.
From below:
Tubing down the Salt River is hella fun though.
proud atheist
Okay, I'll give you that. And it's only a couple hours to the mountains (4 hours back with the Sunday traffic) and just a few hours to Rocky Point and nudibranch diving.
Ah! Wrong window!
All politicians use red herrings/red meat. I just wish she didn't use the base as hers.
The base? That particular part of the base deserted her and has done nothing but bash her. When MoveOn endorsed Obama, that was it for me.
They've managed to contribute nicely to the present divisiveness. Hope everyone gets their act together by November.
Molly, I sent you an email to your EschCon address volunteering to help put together the yearbook. Did you get it?
Atrios, not clear if the reference to "what we're dealing with" are the JMM and Move On republican talking points, or the HRC frustration with the democratic base. Clarification is in order.
I don't know what MoveOn's position was re: going into Afghanistan, but I agree with Hillary completely that the activist-wing of the party dominated the caucuses, and are doing their best to dominate the party and make moderates like have no where to go. Nothing else that I read in the link was bothered me at all. She didn't dismiss the activist left, she explained why she wasn't winning in caucus states. Same way Obama explained why he wasn't winning blue collars in PA. I though Eli's response was over the top and unfair to her and the party. How many of the 3.2 million voted to endorse Hillary instead of Barack? Is he including us in the total number?
If successful, these folks are going to lose the Dems the presidency in the GE because they and their positions are too far left. Hillary is a political realist, she knows we need to win the center in order to have enough support to get most of the Dems agenda through, like healthcare, etc.
These same folks seem to want to change the direction of the country the same way the folks on the far right did during Bush. If the party activists get their way, we'll swing as far to left as we have to the right and will get nothing done in the next 4-8 years. I'm a pragmatist, we need to get a foothold before we can undo the damage done.
I was/am a MoveOn member, and they don't speak for me on lots of things.
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