I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
fristies
secondo
moroni!
damn it, you were using the urrum and thummum to spoil my home run!
John, 23:18...
.
Just us Utahns, I guess. Who will call sheets?
oPed.
not another economist!!!
is that the longest post in Eschaton history? i didn't even try to read.
Utahns! Long live life behind the Zion Curtain!
Heh. "John" writes like Atrios. Similar styles.
I'll have to read more to discern nuance, but...heh.
And with that, I'm to bed.
Now entering Utah, set your watches back 100 years!
And with that, I'm to bed.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 07.14.09 - 11:26 pm | #
goodnight vicki. i hope you forgive me soon and we can be friends again.
Take that, NL bitches.
Good luck, Vicki.
who is john. dont give me that link to the hunkofacebook thing.
Declaring your going to free Our Country from FOREIGN X is like yelling HELLLLOOOOOOOO CLEVELAND!!!!
g'nite to vicki and top o' the evenin' to ina!
SOTOMAYER WAS CHOPPING BUT NO CHIPS WERE FLYING ALL DAY LONG. LESS THAN IMPRESSIVE
You're delusional. Only thing flying around the room were your Repig monkeys, who did more damage to themselves today than McCain and Palin and all the adulterers in your party put together, since the inaugeration.
Sarah Palin's op-ed has no meaning
I know. Let's put Sarah Palin's head in liquid nitrogen!
.
he writes and thinks better after drinking for four hours, though.
I wonder if he tried that out on the DL people?
G'night Vicki. Sweet wonderful new opportunity dreams!
Man, it must be nice to live in a civilized society.
So, a pointless post about a pointless article about a pointless subject?
Damn. I ain't smart enough for this shit.
electricity isn't generally traded between countries (except really along borders)
er, Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador supply much of the electricity used in New England.
Katharine Graham is gonna come back from teh grave to slap the crap out of her heirs
peterboy, I confess I didn't drink all that liberally this evening. I was barely even a blue dog drinker tonight.
energy independence = nuclear energy.
plain and simple.
Letterman's top ten Dick Cheney's excuses as to why he had the CIA lie to Congress
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...s_n_231287.html
Goodnight, all.
Duane V, if we don't meet soon, I will be sad. 
srfco, well, you know how I feel about you.
Kisses all around.
peterboy, I confess I didn't drink all that liberally this evening. I was barely even a blue dog drinker tonight.
APOSTATE!
WHO THE CHUCK IS JOHN?
Looking at Senator Sayshuns today it occurred to me that a swat team of people from this place could infiltrate Alabama disguised as obese semiretardates and take the place over in a matter of weeks. Then: the reveal.
Ichiro's
(adjusts fin for less drag and more efficient lurking)
er, Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador supply much of the electricity used in New England.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:28 pm |
Yeah, I acknowledge that. Happens wherever transmission lines and generating capacity match up well. "Along borders" was as precise as I could be without fleshing that out more. And it was already long enough I thought.
Natural gas production peaked in North America in 1971.
er, Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador supply much of the electricity used in New England.
Moe Szyslak
indeed.
I was going to say:
Ichiro's famous All-Star Game pre-game pep talk worked again."
How Reese Witherspoon is poisoning DC kids.
Did you know there's a Spanish MoveOn? And that they've pissed off Rush and O'Lielly?
Mucho gusto, amigos!
TOPOFTHEMORNING and WHOTHEFUCKISJOHN to ya's.
"Along borders" was as precise as I could be without fleshing that out more.
The new Lower Churchill Falls project in Labrador will connect to, probably, Boston, via a deep sea DC line, with a splice going to Nova Scotia.
That's the plan, anyway.
John,
Fatalism is not all that attractive: sorry.
Energy is something that can be controlled. If WE choose to tell the oil companies (and their fucking government) to go to hell.
I'm waiting to invest in W's new drilling company. I have inside info he's setting up an offshore rig 3 miles south of the strategic reserve. It's 100% taxpayer subsidized on both ends........
Now entering Utah, set your watches back 100 years!
Wittgy
I'm reliably told there's a Hooter's in Salt Lake City.
This sounds suspiciously like a supertrain and biofuels post.
Watching Barney Frank on the TDS rerun (Comcast can blow me). I haven't seen Frank this non-contemptuous of an interviewer in years, and Stewart's hitting him pretty good. He hates teh Villagers as much as we do, I think
dave, it looks like the "spanish MoveOn" is of the "which wants to be the X MoveOn" variety.
I remember when RedState was the rightwing MoveOn.
Did you know there's a Spanish MoveOn?
dave™© | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:31 pm | #
i believe they are a latino move on. i doubt they have any spaniards.
anyway.. should be called mexican moveon if they were going to be honest about it. doubt there are any cubans in there.
Talk of 'fungible commodities' gets me wet. Tell me more Big John.
This sounds suspiciously like a supertrain and biofuels post.
NTodd
I bet the conversation at "Drinking Liberally" in Philadelphia is tres interestinzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The new Lower Churchill Falls project in Labrador will connect to, probably, Boston, via a deep sea DC line, with a splice going to Nova Scotia.
sweet.
There's a guy up in Cape Breton who just landed a contract to supply Long Island with wind-generated electricity.
Point being, it's a long, long way to the US/Canadian border from Labrador or Cape Breton.
doubt there are any cubans in there.
How about your mother? You don't keep very good tabs on her, y'know.
NTodd, how about supertrains that run on biofuels?
I'm reliably told there's a Hooter's in Salt Lake City.
Upsidasium | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:32 pm
You got me there, but I think there's a Denny's on the way in from the airport.
Maybe Hooter's in Utah means something different.
I confess I didn't drink all that liberally this evening. I was barely even a blue dog drinker tonight
That you are willing, in public, to admit to doing ANYTHING like a wretched Blue Dog, is a mark of shame you will spend the rest of your time at Eschaton trying to live down, or explain away.
Just sayin'.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
People all over the world
Join hands
Start a Supertrain
Supertrain
How about your mother? You don't keep very good tabs on her, y'know.
Jeffraham, public option | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
she's not cuban, she does not live in the USA, and she does not seem to be able to reliably identify the democratic from the republican candidate.
I have never understood the idiotic notion that we should use less foreign oil and more domestic oil. Why would we want to use up the last of OUR limited resources; why wouldn't we want to be sucking down THEIRS?
Of course, moving away from oil (leaving ours in the ground for use someday for its other important uses other than energy) and to renewable energy like solar, wind etc makes great sense. But the 'drill baby drill' mouth breathers aren't going there.
Besides Al Gore is fat. So there.
biofuels are evil, no?
{{{Jeffraham!!!}}}
How are you and the boys this evening?
Saw the newish king of Jordan on TV the other day, and he's started a company to build solar farms in the deserts of the ME and Northern Africa. His goal is to supply 15 percent of the electricity of the EU.
I have no idea where he plans to get the water, but, still.
Kisses right back atcha, Vicki..
NTodd, how about supertrains that run on biofuels?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.14.09 - 11:34 pm | #
Nuclear energy.
Why is this even a controversial point. we will not run out of nuclear fuel for hundreds of years. we could power just about everything except cars on it. why isn't everyone behind this??
top o' the evenin' to ina!
srcfo
How's the pb&j?
Sallyh: How are you and the boys this evening?
We're stupid, but other than that... no worse off than usual!
Ron Fournier of the AP tried and failed to do a Culture of Truth treatment of the Sotomayor hearings. It was on Tweety earlier. Not even remotely amusing.
Besides Al Gore is fat. So there.
artemesia
Not as fat as Rush.
Westerners 'literally' sit on mountains of oil and gas...
I don't think that word means what she thinks it means...
I'm under orders to post animals pix every day for the Baby Momma living at the hospital.
please please please help this poor kitteh!
http://icanhascheezburger.com/20...o-a-vegetarian/
well, corn-based ethanol is a fucked deal. politically popular, up to a point. we shot ourselves in the foot and ass on that one.
Saw the newish king of Jordan on TV the other day, and he's started a company to build solar farms in the deserts of the ME and Northern Africa. His goal is to supply 15 percent of the electricity of the EU.
I have no idea where he plans to get the water, but, still.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:36 pm | #
CST or photovoltaic? Photovoltaic won't need any significant water supply.
Of course, moving away from oil (leaving ours in the ground for use someday for its other important uses other than energy) and to renewable energy like solar, wind etc makes great sense.
artemesia | 07.14.09 - 11:36 pm | #
or we could move to nuclear energy, which is cheap, abundant, safe, and environmentally friendly.
er, Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador supply much of the electricity used in New England.
Moe Szyslak
indeed.
plum p,better democrats please | 07.14.09 - 11:31 pm | #
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Not true. Maine is an energy exporter. We produce far more energy than we can use. All Canadian power exported to NE is from Hydro Quebec. Hydro Quebec has destroyed and flooded an area of Cree Indian territory much larger than New England. Electricity from land stolen from Indians. What a novel "green" concept.
hope y'all saw that T Gnome Pickens article last week. He's bought the land, ordered a billion dollars worth of wind turbines. Forgot one little thingie, transmission lines. DOH!
1. Buy Turbines
2. ???
3. PROFIT!!!!!
this husband kitteh is pretty good as well:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/20...s-wife-at-mall/
Joseph Smith did what with Uma Thurman to read those tablets?
Nuclear energy.
Why is this even a controversial point.
It's not. There's nothing stopping anyone from building all the nuclear plants they want. Well, no laws, anyway.
People aren't building them because they don't make sense financially, without a tremendous public subsidy. And, frankly, even if they did make sense, it takes to long to build the things. We need huge GHG reductions within the next decade, 20 years or more down the road don't cut it.
a lot of economic "analysis" tends to leave out the infrastructure cost... such as transmission lines or pipelines etc.
land stolen from Indians. What a novel "green" concept.
Doug Watts
As opposed to the rest of North America?
Chris Tucker: Joseph Smith did what with Uma Thurman to read those tablets?
Two words:
Pussy Wagon.
People aren't building them because they don't make sense financially, without a tremendous public subsidy. And, frankly, even if they did make sense, it takes to long to build the things. We need huge GHG reductions within the next decade, 20 years or more down the road don't cut it.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:40 pm | #
why must we rely on private investment to do this? the same arguments could be made about big hydroelectric projects.
et seq?
. Electricity from land stolen from Indians. What a novel "green" concept.
Doug Watts
actually, it's a bit more complex than that. but i'm too tired to write about this. Moe would do it better than me anyway.
I have no idea where he plans to get the water, but, still.
Moe Szyslak
those solar boilers use very little water.
I'm beginning to think that absolutely no fucking one knows what we should do about energy sources.
I think we need an "Energy Czar" who can fix everything and find all the right answers in a few months.
Seriously, does anyone really have the solution to this?
nuclear plants have a huge liability problem and a bigger disposal problem.
until the federal gvt loses its mind and assumes those, they are dead.
Not true. Maine is an energy exporter. We produce far more energy than we can use. All Canadian power exported to NE is from Hydro Quebec. Hydro Quebec has destroyed and flooded an area of Cree Indian territory much larger than New England. Electricity from land stolen from Indians. What a novel "green" concept.
Doug Watts
I have a friend working with the native community on the Lower Churchill project.
I'm not necessarily defending the project, just noting it. The point is, electricity is already being transmitted very long distances, a trend that will deepen with new DC technologies.
Joseph Smith did what with Uma Thurman to read those tablets?
Chris Tucker: Flawnting! | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:40 pm
(1) Any news from TCB country?
(2) The beauty of it is that Old Joe thought those tablets were some kind of eye-wear to use for translating. Stone tablets = reading glasses. Nice.
Seriously, does anyone really have the solution to this?
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
nuclear energy.
it looks like the "spanish MoveOn" is of the "which wants to be the X MoveOn" variety.
Well, to be fair, that characterization came from the guy writing the story, not (in the story anyway) Presente.
BTW, for a good time, make sure to check out the whiny wingnuts in that comments section. One of them even manages to get in a rant about Soros!
I'm under orders to post animals pix every day for the Baby Momma living at the hospital.
NTodd
great order!
Not to mention the Maquatac Dam on the St. John River in New Brunswick, built in the 1960s, which turned one of the largest and most productive rivers in the world into a barren wasteland. Even though the government pledged that "experts" told them the dam would have absolutely no effect on the river.
Saw the newish king of Jordan on TV the other day
Funny, he doesn't LOOK "newish"...
Edie Falco is Letterman's guest, and also a Wilco + Feist duet!
nuclear plants have a huge liability problem and a bigger disposal problem.
until the federal gvt loses its mind and assumes those, they are dead.
peterboy | 07.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
so the french have lost their mind? they get half their energy out of nuclear on their much more dense country.
modern nuclear plants are safe and they recycle the fuel so that there is a lot less waste.
I am an energy exporter.
we make more electricity than we use daily.
You've got a mouth like a herd of boll weavers.
Judge Sotomayor vs. Senator Templeton on C-span west coast now
it takes to long to build the things. We need huge GHG reductions within the next decade, 20 years or more down the road don't cut it.
Moe Szyslak
There's only one foundry in the world capable of building the reaction chambers for Nuke plants. It's in Japan and it has a 20 year backlog of orders.
I think we need an "Energy Czar" who can fix everything and find all the right answers in a few months.
Seriously, does anyone really have the solution to this?
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.14.09 - 11:42 pm | #
Did somebody say blue ribbon panel!?
I hope Bob Dole is available!
ina, the pb and j hit the spot! and fwiw, i like your eye in the pic as is...it works.
Hydro Quebec has destroyed and flooded an area of Cree Indian territory much larger than New England. Electricity from land stolen from Indians. What a novel "green" concept.
Doug Watts
Wingtards make a huge issue out of Ted Kennedy not wanting windmills to ruin his view, but they have no problem ruining the planet with nuclear waste. Odd.
Whenever I want to cook, I just rub a few atoms together and BOOM!
here comes the thunder and lightning... you guys solve everything while I'm out, okay? including what to do with nuclear waste.
later possibly/ it is to be hoped
why must we rely on private investment to do this? the same arguments could be made about big hydroelectric projects.
sebs
Sure. Even with public financing, you can build a wind farm in, say, five years to operational status. A single nuclear plant will take you 20 years. Doesn't make sense, given pressing GHG reduction timelines.
I'm not totally discounting nuclear, and neither does the IPCC. It's hardly an anti-nuke group, but even their best-case projections say nuclear can displace only about five percent of the electrical demand.
Can anyone tell me which '70s TV show this "siren" sound effect is from?
I cannot recall.
Hmm...New Pearl Jam..
I still have to get DMB's last album...
There's only one foundry in the world capable of building the reaction chambers for Nuke plants. It's in Japan and it has a 20 year backlog of orders.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:45 pm | #
sounds like an ideal stimulus project.
Whenever I want to cook, I just rub a few atoms together and BOOM!
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:45 pm
People in the "slow food" movement prefer cold fusion.
I had mac-n-cheese with truffles.
Westerners 'literally' sit on mountains of oil and gas...
Stay the fuck off my property.
OK My wife has a 20 gallon gasoline tank in her car. If you take E85. That is 3 gallons of ethanol. If we drank that, we would be to drunk to drive, therefore saving a shitload of gasoline. We could all do this everyday have a great party and put big oil out of business.
New Pearl Jam.
this pleases me.
you cant dispose of the nuclear waste. solve that problem and stop saying it will solve itself over time.
Later Nick! Hope the storm passes through quickly!
Doodz, I use three gallons of gasoline a week, tops. And that's if I'm goin' places.
Hell, just stack that nuclear waste in Billy Bob's shed behind the pig farm. We'll all be raptured before we have to figure out what to do with it.
sessions still says firemen sted of firefighters.
doesnt think in terms of women in that job.
I'm not totally discounting nuclear, and neither does the IPCC. It's hardly an anti-nuke group, but even their best-case projections say nuclear can displace only about five percent of the electrical demand.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:45 pm | #
it's ok if it takes 20 years. if we had started 20 years ago we would be done already. if we start today, 20 years from now we will be glad we did.
and 20 years is BS. if the government decides it needs to get done and commits all our resources to it, it can get done. during WWII, america went from producing 2000 airplanes a year to 100,000 airplanes a year.
3 gallons of ethanol. If we drank that, we would be to drunk to drive, therefore saving a shitload of gasoline. We could all do this everyday have a great party and put big oil out of business.
Texas Hill Country Tom
That you brother?
HAW! Dave: "If not for Cheney's assassination squads, Osama bin Laden would be alive today."
that was some ballgame.
Anyone who wants to can build a nuclear power plant. But anyone who's looked at for the last few decades-- including governments-- realize it's a poor investment. The return is so delayed that the money is much better placed elsewhere.
you cant dispose of the nuclear waste. solve that problem and stop saying it will solve itself over time.
peterboy | 07.14.09 - 11:47 pm | #
the fourth generation plants produce very little waste. they recycle all the products and make more energy out of them. american's nuclear plants give the industry a bad name because they are two generations behind.
Wind power is a much better investment than nuclear. Solar is getting there.
your fingers type....you lie.
dog.
go home.
Wittgy, well, the Hell's Taint Intelligencer and PennySaver Times website server is, apparently, running on an old Pentium I on a 56k dialup line in a closet at the Hell's Taint Library and County Roadkill Disposal Center.
As such, it's not available all the time.
Plus, the librarian keeps pawning it to buy meth makings.
They got them a powerful meth problem, there in Hell's Taint, Texas.
But then, that WAS pretty obvious, given TCB:S&S and his comments.
it's ok if it takes 20 years. if we had started 20 years ago we would be done already. if we start today, 20 years from now we will be glad we did.
Wouldn't it be better to invest in even cleaner tech like wind, which has no waste issues, that can be built in 5 years? If you want a Manhattan/Apollo Project level commitment, go for the proverbial low-hanging fruit.
We didn't build H-bombs first, and we didn't go to Mars first.
hope y'all saw that T Gnome Pickens article last week. He's bought the land, ordered a billion dollars worth of wind turbines. Forgot one little thingie, transmission lines. DOH!...1Watt, Hermit
Geez, he must be slipping. Did he forget to bribe enough politicians to get the taxpayers to pay for them?
Can anyone tell me which '70s TV show this "siren" sound effect is from?
Teh youtube says 'Ironside'. See, I'm not so stooped.
it's ok if it takes 20 years. if we had started 20 years ago we would be done already. if we start today, 20 years from now we will be glad we did.
20 years from now is 2029. We've got to cut our GHG emissions at least 25 percent below 1990 levels by 2020. Fucking around with building nuclear plants takes valuable resources away from the immediate problem.
The last trip to visit mom, the chevy avg'd 37 mpg. @ 65mph w/A/C on.
The return is so delayed that the money is much better placed elsewhere.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:50 pm | #
we are all going to be eating each other 20 years from now while living in mud huts. ROI? good god. this is life and death stuff. we need energy. we are running out of oil.
2-for-1 kid sodas at the store. And 1-for-1 gin. My world and welcome to it.
We will probably just have a lot less energy.
Wind power is a much better investment than nuclear
i actually saw anti-wind power propaganda on the bulletin board at a laundry mat. it puzzled me.
But then, that WAS pretty obvious, given TCB:S&S and his comments.
Chris Tucker: Flawnting! | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:51 pm
I do hope Miss Agnes CB has avoided the shame of addiction. Other than cigarettes, that is.
we are all going to be eating each other 20 years from now while living in mud huts.
So we won't need nukes, then.
As far as I know, nuclear plants when produce fuel, produce fissionable bomb materials. It's a proliferation nightmare. You reduce the disposal problem and create another one.
We've got to cut our GHG emissions at least 25 percent below 1990 levels by 2020. Fucking around with building nuclear plants takes valuable resources away from the immediate problem.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:52 pm | #
global warming is dead. peak oil killed it. its not even worth worrying about.
yes, it was a big problem. but we are out of oil. mother nature wins.
In the town where I live, Elk Point, SD, there has been a company called Hyperion working to get the permits to build a new "green" refinery about 10 miles out of town. It pretty much split the town in half as far as support, but the referendum did pass for them to build it.
They are working with the state and EPA for all the necessary permits. We're near the Missouri River as a water source, and right on I-29 for transportation.
I can't get my head around the idea of a "green" refinery or spending the money on a source of fuel that will be obsolete before too many years.
Not to say the environmental factors - both natural and communal. I hate this idea.
I think I'd rather a nuclear power plant. . .
We have to work on ZPG in order to reduce energy demand.
"I'm beginning to think that absolutely no fucking one knows what we should do about energy sources."
Good solutions are out there and have been for a long time. Executing them is an entirely different matter.
we are all going to be eating each other 20 years from now while living in mud huts.
Dude, we could all take mass transit or bicycle to work a couple of times a week and make up the shortage. It's not that dire.
we are out of oil.
One advantage to living in Canada is that I see an entire economy that is driven by tar sand development. It's presently on hold, but once oil gets back to $100/ barrel, it'll fire up again. There's more oil in those sands than all of Saudi Arabia.
Wouldn't it be better to invest in even cleaner tech like wind, which has no waste issues, that can be built in 5 years?
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
if that was true, there would be a country in the world that would be doing it. don't you think?
hey, john, did atrios give you the ban key, too?
global warming is dead. peak oil killed it. its not even worth worrying about.
Guess we should all just kill ourselves.
tar sand development. It's presently on hold, but once oil gets back to $100/ barrel, it'll fire up again.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:55 pm | #
tar sands extraction takes $75 to the gallon. and it destroys the land, the water, the air, and your soul.
it is fools gold. nothing more.
"I always thought last summer that figures 20 and 21 put the lie to "Drill baby, drill!""
You think wingnuts give a shit about facts?
Wouldn't it be better to invest in even cleaner tech like wind, which has no waste issues, that can be built in 5 years?
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:51 pm | #
if that was true, there would be a country in the world that would be doing it. don't you think?
sebs | 07.14.09 - 11:55 pm | #
If it were true that nukes were the solution to global warming, there would be an international coalition dedicated to building the plants everywhere and reducing that 20 year window the way you suggest. Don't you think?
tar sands extraction takes $75 to the gallon.
You're exceedingly ignorant.
My community college and another one in NW Iowa have put together Wind Turbine Technology programs. The one up north of us has a waiting list for students, and we already have a long list of interested people and the program hasn't even been approved by the state yet. It appears it will be and will be starting in the fall.
The midwest where we live - the edge of the great plains, is a great source for wind energy.
I did hear somewhere that one of the problems with wind technology is energy storage. I don't recall the details of that.
There was a big lawsuit near here about an ethanol refinery. It wanted to tap into an aquifer that supplied 1/2 the supply of the county. The repug court sided with the company. Luckily the economy stopped it cold. Those refineries waste millions of gallons of water a day.
Who the fuck is John?
Or am I late on this?
If it were true that nukes were the solution to global warming, there would be an international coalition dedicated to building the plants everywhere and reducing that 20 year window the way you suggest. Don't you think?
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:57 pm | #
i have no idea. international coalition? no... i don't think masturbation will solve our energy problems.
on the other hand, i do think there is an industrialized nation that currently is getting 50% of its energy from nuclear: france. its safe, clean, abundant, and cheap.
You're exceedingly ignorant.
snort.
i wouldnt take anything he says as true. it is just troll shit and not based on reality.
it is ideologically based and not part of any reality.
as to wind energy, the big issue is that it is inconsistent as a principal power source.
You're exceedingly ignorant.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 11:58 pm | #
i thought we were talking politely?
YOU SAID that tar sands extraction requires oil to be at $100 a gallon. now why would that be. i merely suggested that the reason for this is the obvious: that it is not profitable to extract at lower prices. i was just repeating what you just said in another form.
I did hear somewhere that one of the problems with wind technology is energy storage.
That's old thinking.
It's possible to store with pumped storage facilities, but even that is looking like out-dated technology. Now, with wind forecasting, long-distance transmission and load management (charging thermal storing at night, etc), there's no reason wind can't meat a very significant portion of total demand.
"I always thought last summer that figures 20 and 21 put the lie to "Drill baby, drill!""
You think wingnuts give a shit about facts?
fred
While in Okla. last week, I saw a bumper sticker on a big ol' SUV that said, "Drill now, Drill here." I threw up a little in my mouth . . .
Who the fuck is John?
Or am I late on this?
Just Another Zero
Allegedly a celebrity (I forget which one), though that identification may be a joke.
If we press all the olives to make oil, then we will have to drink Gibsons.
YOU SAID that tar sands extraction requires oil to be at $100 a gallon
Show me where I said that.
The midwest where we live - the edge of the great plains, is a great source for wind energy.
We passed great wind farms in Oregon, South Dakota and Minnesota on our epic journey that ended 1 year ago today.
We could store the nuke waste in China, India, Indonesia and Georgia and solve the population problem and diminish the demand.
it is ideologically based and not part of any reality.
peterboy | 07.15.09 - 12:01 am | #
and what ideology is this? what party is against drilling and in favor of nuclear energy?
if you are so sure i am ideologically driven, then please point out the ideology.
Hmmmm. Looks like I can't post tonight.
"It's presently on hold, but once oil gets back to $100/ barrel, it'll fire up again. "
Show me where I said that.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:02 am | #
there.
What if we hook the hot air of Eschaton commenters up to windmills?
While in Okla. last week, I saw a bumper sticker on a big ol' SUV that said, "Drill now, Drill here." I threw up a little in my mouth . . .
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.15.09 - 12:02 am | #
This jerk needs to spend a few minutes in his garage with the engine on and the door closed. Maybe then he'll realize how much filth his car emits and he'll change his mind.
Hmmmm. Looks like I can't post tonight.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:03 am | #
you were probably banned for being mean to me.
FWIW, there are 42 gallons in a barrel of oil.
If we were getting $100/gallon for tar sands, I would have retired years ago, as the CPP is heavily invested in it.
I did hear somewhere that one of the problems with wind technology is energy storage. I don't recall the details of that.
You have to extract energy when the wind is blowing and still have it available when there is no wind. Storing electrical energy is expensive and inefficient and this problem is not limited to wind power. In fact, it's a major problem with solar power. The best solution for now is to put the windmills in places where the wind blows most of the time.
Hmmmm. Looks like I can't post tonight.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Of course you can, you hot thang you!
Supply-side frameworks to energy discussions are myopic. Most people cannot begin to conceive how much energy is wasted for no particular reason.
you were probably banned for being mean to me.
sebs | 07.15.09 - 12:04 am | #
Obviously not. Kinda full of yourself, aren't you?
I would not accept it if the bartender put an even number of cocktail onions in it. I would politely send it back and request that an odd number of them be used.
Eventually I had to stop drinking altogether.
Allegedly a celebrity (I forget which one), though that identification may be a joke.
Deacon Blues
It was a joke. He links to the 'Drexel University Dems' here in Philly.
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find john in the top of the thread and go to his homepage. that facebook glamor thing was a joke, deacon B.
he is prolly a graduate student at drexel.
you get your solar yet?
Now, with wind forecasting, long-distance transmission and load management (charging thermal storing at night, etc), there's no reason wind can't meat a very significant portion of total demand.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:02 am | #
america is a very big country. can you point to a small country that is currently meeting a "significant portion" of demand this way?
Of course you can, you hot thang you!
Deacon Blues | 07.15.09 - 12:05 am | #
Aw, you're sweet.
I was getting the dreaded "you've already said that" message.
We passed great wind farms in Oregon, South Dakota and Minnesota on our epic journey that ended 1 year ago today.
NTodd, Wise Latina
NTodd, your photos are some of the best I've ever seen. I. Shit. You. Not.
Thanks.
Gotta hit the hay. 'Nite Atriots..
you get your solar yet?
peterboy
Not yet *sigh* Procrasination is me.
can you point to a small country that is currently meeting a "significant portion" of demand this way?
Denmark.
Denmark.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
Betcha someone is scurrying off to Wiki right about now ...
I always find it fun when people argue with Moe about shit he researches for his job (and passion).
Brooklyn Girl, your presence is desired and enjoyed.
Obviously not. Kinda full of yourself, aren't you?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:05 am | #
i was obviously joking.
and this problem is not limited to wind power. In fact, it's a major problem with solar power. The best solution for now is to put the windmills in places where the wind blows most of the time.
Mark B.
Scientific American had a hell of an article last year, outlining storage by using compressed air. compress the air during peak production, release it to drive turbines during off production. It also had plans for distribution etc. for energy independence in 10 yrs.
G'night Duane - but so early?
Sweet dreams. . .
Denmark.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:07 am | #
i shall google. if true, this is very exciting.
Brooklyn Girl, your presence is desired and enjoyed.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.15.09 - 12:09 am | #
Why, thank you! And vice versa!
if I got the dog a blindfold and earmuffs would that help her get through thunderstorms?
Um. No.
The whole "green energy" boosts our economy thing INCLUDES export of the technology.
You really think that Japan, Western Europe and other oil lacking countries wouldn't adopt technologies and practices that reduced their oil imports?
If we solve our energy problem, the solution will reduce global demand too.
i was obviously joking.
sebs | 07.15.09 - 12:09 am | #
I wasn't.
nick carraway: if I got the dog a blindfold and earmuffs would that help her get through thunderstorms?
Safe room.
Scientific American had a hell of an article last year, outlining storage by using compressed air. compress the air during peak production, release it to drive turbines during off production. It also had plans for distribution etc. for energy independence in 10 yrs.
Cool. I'll have to look it up. Sounds like a very good technical workaround.
Brooklyn Girl, and all the New Yawk contingent Mrs. Blues and I met last year, RAWK!
Next month we meet Trademark Dave. Perhaps other Bay Area friends, too.
JP: okay, will try. report later. thanks.
you were probably banned for being mean to me.
sebs | 07.15.09 - 12:04 am | #
Obviously not. Kinda full of yourself, aren't you?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
You're so Vain . . .
Brooklyn Girl, and all the New Yawk contingent Mrs. Blues and I met last year, RAWK!
Next month we meet Trademark Dave. Perhaps other Bay Area friends, too.
Deacon Blues | 07.15.09 - 12:11 am | #
So do you!!!!
And that's cool. It's great when bunches of us get together.
if I got the dog a blindfold and earmuffs would that help her get through thunderstorms?
nick carraway |
The Bose noise cancellation earphones work well at the low frequencies assosiated with thunder. But the dog might never give them back!
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Denmark produces about 20 percent of its electricity with wind. Still not enough, but the industry is still growing.
The big innovations are yet to come on line-- wind forecasting and computer modelling of demand being way up there, but also having ceramic heating units (a very old technology) charged in off-peak hours.
PEI has set of goal of being a net-exporter of electricity, with all the island's electricity generated by wind.
if I got the dog a blindfold and earmuffs would that help her get through thunderstorms?
nick carraway
Doggy downers encased in a small ball of raw hamburger?
if I got the dog a blindfold and earmuffs would that help her get through thunderstorms?
nick carraway |
Poor baby. She can probably sense all sorts of things you can't control.
As I recall, Alberta generates about a third of its electricity with wind. There were these giant wind farms heading up Crowsnest pass I drove through last week, taking advantage of the Chinooks.
PEI has set of goal of being a net-exporter of electricity, with all the island's electricity generated by wind.
It would be better to build nukes in mud huts.
Denmark produces about 20 percent of its electricity with wind. Still not enough, but the industry is still growing.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:12 am | #
you are absolutely right. i am reading all about it now.
this is really great news. 20%. and they "store it" by saving hydroelectric capacity. just brilliant.
ok. i'm totally on board.
wind+nuclear is the answer.
moe: i love you.
And that's cool. It's great when bunches of us get together.
yes
hopefully i'll get to meet you someday BG
PEI has set of goal of being a net-exporter of electricity, with all the island's electricity generated by wind.
I've done that on Sim City.
Sometimes I chuckle while lurking.
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It's late, I'm tired. G'night, everyone.
Shit, tomorrow's another big work day for me, I need to go to bed.
Good night, all.
Doggy downers encased in a small ball of raw hamburger?
Xanax works well for Neppy.
We've discovered that it makes Mex more anxious. Thankfully, at least not more aggressive, but we still don't give him any now that we know.
It would be better to build nukes in mud huts.
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:14 am | #
i was totally wrong. wind is the fucking answer.
the annnnnnswerrrr my friiiieend.. is blowinnnnnninnnnn the winnnnnnd. theanswer ees blowinnnnn in thewind....
you were probably banned for being mean to me.
That gets her a fucking medal.
Now get the fuck out of here, Tofu-boy.
G'night Moe. G'night BG.
Sweet clean energy dreams!
Xanax works well for Neppy
too bad i didn't think to get him any last year...that was dumb.
Gnight East Coasters Moe and BG and lurkers there.
Good night, all.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:16 am | #
good night moe. i love you.
Now get the fuck out of here, Tofu-boy.
dave™© | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:17 am | #
tofu boy??
Next month we meet Trademark Dave. Perhaps other Bay Area friends, too.
Aw, geez, now I gotta work at it...
Supply-side frameworks to energy discussions are myopic. Most people cannot begin to conceive how much energy is wasted for no particular reason.
fred
You're right. Ask me about that next time you see me. NTodd's Vermont is a leader on this front...
Really, now, to bed.
Gnight East Coasters Moe and BG and lurkers there.
Deacon Blues |
g'night to you
Chuckling
Agent O, you're awfully quiet tonight. What's up with you?
Edie Falco looks like a half-million bux.
hopefully i'll get to meet you someday BG
ErinPDX | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:15 am | #
Likewise.
And now, I'm really outta here.
Aw, geez, now I gotta work at it...
dave™©
Naw. First round is on me. Ya drunk. I don't know who else is in the Bay Area. We are going to stay in Union Square area. (probably the St. Francis). Either coming Thursday night or Friday, Mrs. Blues still figuring out her work schedule.
ErinPDX, have you heard from Phila lately?
Just feelin' kinda laid back. Nothing else.
Anything noteworthy with the phone messaging a-hole?
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if I got the dog a blindfold and earmuffs would that help her get through thunderstorms?
nick carraway |
mine has a camp style sling chair and a big towel. She survived some hellaish weather before I rescued her. One night in a steel trap when her foot froze off and a tornado about a month before I got her. She's not near as bad about storms now.My big boy couldn't care less about storms as long as he doesn't get wet.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1wa...57617282505555/
Wittgy | 07.14.09 - 11:53 pm
I do hope you're kidding.
i was totally wrong. wind is the fucking answer.
Fourfold that of nukes.
Oddly, I never have suggested a single approach, but always have advocated a multi-pronged effort.
But we're talking how quickly can we ramp up. ROI is king.
Simple example.
Average speed people go in their vehicles is 30 mph.
Vehicles use about 4,500 btu per passenger-mile.
A normal upright bicycle needs about a 300 watt motor to move it at 30 mph along a flat grade. That's about 34 btu per mile.
The motor vehicle requires about 130 times the energy to do the same effective work.
Supply-side focus ignores the potential in these kinds of differences.
nice photo, 1watt.
that dog has three legs?
But we're talking how quickly can we ramp up. ROI is king.
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:22 am | #
i'm reading all over the net on wind power right now. 20%! they think it could be twice that with the right infrastructure and new technologies.
fucking A. that is fucking awesome.
why the fuck aren't we implementing this stuff right now here in usa?
Anything noteworthy with the phone messaging a-hole?
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Agent Orange
Hey, thanks for asking. Nothing yet. The sheriff is going to subpeona his phone records and recorded the obscene messages he left on their phones and will match them up. I printed out all our records and gave them to him.
We are going to ask about getting a restraining order. It's a pretty scary deal.
We never lock the house during the day and leave our keys in the cars all the time. Now we're going to have to lock up when we leave and start watching things more closely.
Life should not be this way.
Edie Falco looks like a half-million bux.
I luff luff luff lurve her.
It really is all about the mass your accelerating.
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that dog has three legs?
peterboy
3 feet, lost the right front just below the dewclaw.
Supply-side focus ignores the potential in these kinds of differences.
fred | 07.15.09 - 12:23 am | #
but will the chicks dig it?
just kidding of course, but that's the rationale. advertisement has convinced people that their cars say something about who they are.
ErinPDX, have you heard from Phila lately?
No and its bugging the crap outta me
i'm in a "threes" thing and waiting for the other shoe to drop, hoping not him
my theory:
1. he was working on two 700 pg books an is too swamped
2. his dad is sick /out of state
too bad billy b isn't here
husband has grabbed me into a Golden Earring jag on vinyl
We are going to ask about getting a restraining order. It's a pretty scary deal.
no shit, get them to put a bracelet on him to make sure he doesn't get close.
Gotta sign off here or Mrs. Blues will ... well, never mind what Mrs. Blues will.
Gnight all!
We are going to ask about getting a restraining order. It's a pretty scary deal.
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.15.09 - 12:25 am | #
humble suggestion from the troll: get a gun. learn how to use it first, of course.
G'night Deacon. And let Ms. Blues do what she will with you...
gotta gun, fact i got 2, that's okay man cuz i luv god.
That's partly why I was relatively quiet - just waiting.
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{{{Integral ♠ Lit }}}
Thanks, Erin. I hope he pipes up soon.
Okay, gotta run before the crack pipe's lit.
Goodnight, all.
no shit, get them to put a bracelet on him to make sure he doesn't get close.
1Watt, Hermit
better yet, lock him up for terroristic threats.
gotta gun, fact i got 2, that's okay man cuz i luv god.
srcfo | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:31 am | #
i'm one of those atheist devout catholics. but yeah you need two: a rifle and a shotgun.
why the fuck aren't we implementing this stuff right now here in usa?
Because we're fucking short-sighted in the US.
I met a Sikh in a bar in OAK a few years back who was touring CA, trying to drum up investment. He was already ramping up renewables for his textile businesses (his primary vocation) in India, and trying to expand into energy production in the US. He was a bit frustrated at how craptacular our existing infrastructure was, and the lax response to his proposals.
srcfo
GIRLFRIEND!
We are going to ask about getting a restraining order. It's a pretty scary deal.
Jesus fuck.
Be well.
gotta gun, fact i got 2, that's okay man cuz i luv god.
VEDDER!
[holds lighter aloft]
Because we're fucking short-sighted in the US.
NTodd, Wise Latina | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:32 am | #
florida 2000... will we ever stop paying?
i didnt even know about this... now i'm more angry.
Yeah, that's what I need to do. Arm my 16 and 19 YO daughters with all their friends running in and out of the house at random.
I like the bracelet idea. I don't know what they can even charge him with for the phone calls. That's where I think the restraining order will come in handy.
This is a mentally deranged 18 YO that probably weighs about 300 lbs. and has been a real mess for years.
He's not a kid anymore and it worries me how it might escalate. I guess he's been caught looking in windows near his house. Why he's not been arrested for that, I don't know. Unless of course it was a juvenile thing.
I won't listen to the messages he left, but the ex did today and he'd like to kill him. The 19 YO teared up when they were playing them. And she's pretty tough in a lot of ways.
Ferguson's promo showed him dressed as Palin.
[holds lighter aloft]
NTodd, Wise Latina
I thought nowadays it was holding cell phones aloft for peace?
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nd leave our keys in the cars all the time
that was our family in my rural oregon town in the 60's. now, not so much. sorry hon/
didn't lock our house except when gone for a week
i wont go into the security measures taken or not taken where i reside. except to say i have dogs. and i'm mean. and vicious.
I thought nowadays it was holding cell phones aloft for peace?
I'm kickin' it old school.
[sets fire to chair]
I never lock my house.
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Yeah, that's what I need to do. Arm my 16 and 19 YO daughters with all their friends running in and out of the house at random.
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.15.09 - 12:34 am | #
i have 6-9 year olds. just keep them locked up. ammo and guns in separate places.
you know what makes me feel better leaving my wife and kids alone when i travel? we have 3 dogs. not vicious or even remotely scary, but they do bark. and they KNOW. dogs have a sense about them. i trust my dogs a lot more than the $50 a month alarm system.
and i'm mean. and vicious
well, i know u scare the fuck outta me!
no, I'm serial!
Integral, I'm so sorry you have to go through this. I'm more familiar with this drill than I wish I was.
When I was living in my parents' home, locking up almost never happened because it was rare for someone not to be at home. Of course, now that I've been an urbanite for almost 3 decades, it's routine to lock everything up.
I want to see Sheraton Hotels launched into orbit with a series of H-bomb explosions detonated by an onboard laser beam. The H-bombs will be much smaller than a VW, perhaps the size of the BBs used in a pellet gun. The Sheratons will need a nuclear reactor in the basement to supply enough power for the laser beams. They'll be used to haul radioactive waste into outer space so it can be shot into the sun.
no shit, get them to put a bracelet on him to make sure he doesn't get close.
1Watt, Hermit
better yet, lock him up for terroristic threats.
That's an offense now days, press it, restraining orders are for shit.
Thanks, Erin. I usually only lock it up at night when we are all in bed. With it just being the girls and I here, I like the feeling of security.
Pretty much most of our town is the same way. I don't want to see that change.
For instance, tonight the younger daughter and I were watching tv and the door opens and a girl runs up the stairs. Daughter says, "who's that"? And the girl calls down, "Jenna. I'm just getting clothes for Paige" and runs back down the stairs with the clothes. Didn't knock, didn't even announce her arrival.
That's the kind of house we have. Now that has to change, at least for a while. Pisses me off.
And it really worries me that this fucker might try to do something to my girls. I can't really even go there.
Secret Asian Man | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:39 am | #
i have 100K starpoints. i can't get on bard with this plan.
Can't go on. Bed beckons.
♥
"It really is all about the mass your accelerating."
At real-world speeds, pretty much.
♥
Jeffraham, public option | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 12:42 am | #
thanks jeff. i wub u 2.
kaymoutl8rh9rz
I'm not anti-gun. I grew up with many guns in the house as my father was a hunter and collected antique guns.
My ex has all those guns now, and my son will get them when he's settled.
I lived in Dallas by myself years ago and someone tried to break into my house. I bought a dog and a .357 and I learned to shoot it.
I sold the gun as soon as I had my first child. I didn't want a hand gun in the house with children. We always had rifles and shotguns though.
I really don't want to go there again. I do have a dog and he's very good at barking at strangers or when anyone comes to the door.
G'night Jeffraham, g'night NTodd.
Sweet dreams, and NTodd, tell Ericka and Sam sweet dreams too. I'll say a little prayer to the universe tonight for y'all.
I sold the gun as soon as I had my first child. I didn't want a hand gun in the house with children.
the girls are women now. maybe a long gun and some practice are in order.
They've both learned how to shoot rifles and shotguns as their dad has taken them hunting. Neither has much interest in it. And, honestly, I don't want to have to arm the house.
When they're on their own, they can make that decision.
And, honestly, I don't want to have to arm the house.
When they're on their own, they can make that decision.
Integral ♠ Lit
go listen to the recordings.
QUESTIONS THE MEDIA OUGHT TO ASK BUT DON'T, #16,874
Governor Palin, your Op-Ed piece in the Washington Post about how best to reduce our dependence on foreign oil shows that despite all the media distractions about your private life and that of your family, you remain a politician of national stature who deserves to be taken seriously. So let me ask you, Governor: apart from Big Oil, whom are you fellating these days, and do you spit or swallow?
Who's here? Sound off!
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I just walked in. Or slithered in, as the case may be.
So let me ask you, Governor: apart from Big Oil, whom are you fellating these days, and do you spit or swallow?
stunney | 07.15.09 - 12:54 am | #
yeah. this will really elevate the national discourse.
:rollseyes:
moi
Also, I really desire this now:
http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auct...et-
5017561.html
I am just lurking... /removes cape and pointy teeth...
i'm not really here. i am working. but i am available if anybody needs offending. just holler.
I think I'll give the system a chance to work first. If they do nothing, we'll see about the next step.
Fortunately, this guy doesn't have a license and he lives about 8 miles out of town. Unfortunately, he lives a few blocks from my ex, so he'll really have to modify his behavior.
Maybe I'll talk to him about putting a gun in here, but I have to believe that should be a last resort.
Don't most attempts to use a gun against an intruder end up in a bad way?
And although you say they are "women" now, my 16 YO is still a kid on the cusp of womanhood. And at 19, not a lot of "women" or "men" actually have the judgment ability of an adult. To ask them to make the decision to use a gun or not is a lot to ask, as far as I'm concerned.
So sorry to read about your troubles, IL.
I think I'll give the system a chance to work first.
The next step is the restraining order request?
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Thanks, Echidne.
I'm sure this will pass, but I hate having to deal with it and the fear it evokes.
We don't live life based on fear much in my home. To have that infringed on seems a real violation.
Don't most attempts to use a gun against an intruder end up in a bad way?
not if trained in use. If he comes closer than 10 ft. kiss him goodbye.
So let me ask you, Governor: apart from Big Oil, whom are you fellating these days, and do you spit or swallow?
stunney | 07.15.09 - 12:54 am | #
yeah. this will really elevate the national discourse.
:rollseyes:
sebs | 07.15.09 - 12:59 am |
Yes, I know. That's the sad part.
Don't most attempts to use a gun against an intruder end up in a bad way?
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.15.09 - 1:01 am | #
i'd be very suspicious about that statistic, but i will google.
that said, i agree with your point about a 16 year old. i would not entrust a 16 year old with a gun by him or herself.
but there is not reason YOU shouldn't have one.
the dog is probably good enough. what kind of dog is it?
Agent O, yes. I think we'll push to do that right away to expedite the process some. One more law he'd be breaking if he calls again.
not if trained in use. If he comes closer than 10 ft. kiss him goodbye.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 1:03 am | #
or skip the kiss and blow his balls off.
IL
i suppose the best we might do is train these young women on how to ID IMMEDIATELY those unstable wackos
sadly i was not good at it
but alive 25 yrs later
your girls will make it too
The next step is the restraining order request?
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Agent Orange
like a deranged dude is never going to violate a order?
The dog is a lab/terrier mix. He weighs in just over 50 lbs. and looks like a small lab with a beard. He's very verbal when anyone comes by, so he'd let us know if we needed to do something.
We also live about 8 blocks from the police and sheriff's department in a town that's pretty quiet - they'd be here in an instant.
i suppose the best we might do is train these young women on how to ID IMMEDIATELY those unstable wackos
They are pretty good with the creep detector, but this kid went to high school with them. They never had any contact with him when he was in school, but he's apparently zeroed in on them now. The older one was smart enough to save the voice mails - the younger deleted most of them until I told her not to.
When the older one told me about it, we called and had the number blocked on their phones, but he started calling from a different number then. The Verizon agent was the one who told us that since he was using a land line we could go to the authorities.
Was finally cleaning out my shed... did you know food put by for earthquakes doesn't do well 10 years out in a metal shed in Southern California's summers?
that's a big enough dog to deter an idiot, probably.
ultimately, don't feel guilty about whatever choices you make. if you refuse to let this BS control your life, thats certainly your right. if you chose to arm to the teeth and go dirty harry, that's your right too. don't second guess yourself or feel guilty for what you are or are not doing. there is absolutely no way to predict the future.
sorry you are going through this.
IT, I owned a liquor store in a rural area for 14 yrs. I've seen a bit. I have no faith in law enforcement, the good of humanity, or hope.
I learned the hard way, I've seen infatuations turn into compulsions pls don't minimize this threat.
gnite batses. to all those weathering certain storms, remember, you are a mountain.
Hey, thanks everyone. It's nice to have y'all's concern.
I do believe everything will be just fine. I just really hate drama and fear.
So let's talk about something else!
Was finally cleaning out my shed... did you know food put by for earthquakes doesn't do well 10 years out in a metal shed in Southern California's summers?
ellroon, smolderingwreckian | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 1:11 am | #
canned food is really not meant for more than 3-5 years storage, at the maximum under ideal circumstances. some canned foods are meant to last less than a year.
IL
You might wanna get a little better sense from your girls or ex of what the specfic comments being made are?
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1Watt, thanks. And we will be careful.
IL, would you like me to say something outrageous and offensive? that will change the topic quick. i'm good at that.
Agent O, they are all what he wants to do sexually to them. I know he asked the younger one if she was a virgin. I really don't think I need to hear the exact words - I really think I get the gist of it.
Again, thanks for the concern.
It's clear, I went out to look at the stars and the sky sucks. As a kid in Philly I could still occasionally see the Milky Way. Now even 30-40 miles away almost nothing.
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1Watt, thanks. And we will be careful.
Integral ♠ Lit
Went back to read your comments, Integral Lit. Definitely lock up and keep a journal on his actions. Creeps are deadly.
Sure sebs.
Normally, I would reject that suggestion . . .
*makes a horrible face and calls everyone bad names*
Normally, I would reject that suggestion . . .
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.15.09 - 1:18 am | #
Feeling abnormal tonight?
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It's clear, I went out to look at the stars and the sky sucks. As a kid in Philly I could still occasionally see the Milky Way. Now even 30-40 miles away almost nothing.
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Agent Orange
Finally took my kids out to the desert mountains to show them what the Milky Way is supposed to look like. Southern California doesn't get dark unless we're being vampired by Enron....
I'm wearing a "Keep Austin Weird" t-shirt and I never even went to Austin!
Agent O, c'mon out to South Dakota.
Some nights are so clear you think you can almost reach up and flick a star across the sky.
Abby Normal?
And may I say I despise the attempt to use NORMALCY as a word. It's normality.
should i subtly put forth a rumor about sotomayor's sexual orientation? i think that hits the trifecta: racist, sexist and homophobic. that should do nicely....
I remember the Big Dipper from my childhood, hovering right above.
Was finally cleaning out my shed... did you know food put by for earthquakes doesn't do well 10 years out in a metal shed in Southern California's summers?
ellroon, smolderingwreckian | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 1:11 am | #
canned food is really not meant for more than 3-5 years storage, at the maximum under ideal circumstances. some canned foods are meant to last less than a year.
sebs
I still remember cleaning the basement food pantry of my great-aunt in 1976.
A lotta 1950s-vintage canned goods.
Most were slowly exiting their containers.
I remember the Big Dipper from my childhood, hovering right above.
Echidne | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 1:21 am | #
no flirting!
Finally took my kids out to the desert mountains to show them what the Milky Way is supposed to look like. Southern California doesn't get dark unless we're being vampired by Enron....
ellroon, smolderingwreckian
For a huge fraction of our population, seeing the night sky in a dark, clear location will likely never happen.
It really is amazing, almost scary.
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I remember the Big Dipper from my childhood, hovering right above.
Echidne | Homepage | 07.15.09 - 1:21 am | #
Really sad when he died in a plane crash.
A lotta 1950s-vintage canned goods.
Most were slowly exiting their containers.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Orifice | 07.15.09 - 1:22 am | #
we have some Y2K supplies in the basement from when my wife lost her mind and thought it was DOOMZZ!
The Big Dipper and Orion's Belt - those are the two I can always pick out.
And Northern Lights. One of my favorite memories is lying in the snow with a friend and watching the lights flicker in the sky.
Agent O, c'mon out to South Dakota.
Some nights are so clear you think you can almost reach up and flick a star across the sky.
Integral ♠ Lit
But.. South Dakota is flat. And has lots and lots of snow. And corn. And wheat. And Norwegians. (or is it Swedes?) And snow.
Being a Southern Californian, I had to come on to these threads to ask how to deal with our car being snowed under when we were vacationing up in the mountains this winter.....
People were very kind and had good suggestions... and didn't mock me too severely.
It really is amazing, almost scary.
Agent Orange | 07.15.09 - 1:22 am | #
and some liberals here want to blame good dick cheney for wanting to bring darkness to all american children like he did for californians. the man is like santa claus in a suit.
Really sad when he died in a plane crash.
weird a |
The Little Bopper recently had his Dad's body exhumed.
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when about 9 the little league baseball team had a campout during the Aug. meteor storm. In rural AR. in 1959 there was no light pollution. The sky was amazing when the moon was dark. I think that was when I decided that there couldn't be a god.
I still remember cleaning the basement food pantry of my great-aunt in 1976.
A lotta 1950s-vintage canned goods.
Most were slowly exiting their containers.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Orifice
Gaaahhhh!
Crispbread lasts a very long time. The real kind which you break with a hammer.
And Northern Lights. One of my favorite memories is lying in the snow with a friend and watching the lights flicker in the sky.
Echidne
I should have known my last relationship was doomed when, early on, there was an EPIC Borealis display that covered more than half the sky in Milwaukee.
I called said fe-person, who wondered why I was so crazy to call after eleven, and to let her alone and go back to bed myself.
Never been another display even close to that here in my lifetime (44 years).
The best view ever of the night sky was from the Beartooth Plateau in Montana above 10,000 feet. Forget binoculars and telescopes. A working set of eyeballs was the only optical instrument needed.
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But.. South Dakota is flat. And has lots and lots of snow. And corn. And wheat. And Norwegians. (or is it Swedes?) And snow.
Oh sure, ruin the romanticism with reality, would ya?
I didn't say he had to stay - it's a nice place to visit (in the fall, really - winter, too fucking cold, summer, too hot and humid, spring, too wet and chilly).
I've been here 20+ years and still am not used to the winters. I bitch about the weather from about November through May. Hell, Saturday we had softball and had to wear jackets and blankets for the first game and had tank tops and shorts on for the afternoon games. Frickin' nuts.
That said, c'mon out Agent O and see the stars . . .
The Little Bopper recently had his Dad's body exhumed.
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Agent Orange | 07.15.09 - 1:25 am | #
Those crazy kids, always doing the darnedest things.
The Big Dipper, Buddy Haley and the Comets... those were some stars.
Four or five years again there was few nights of auroral display that made it down to South Jersey. It was very unusual.
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The best view ever of the night sky was from the Beartooth Plateau in Montana above 10,000 feet. Forget binoculars and telescopes. A working set of eyeballs was the only optical instrument needed.
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Agent Orange
That sounds fabulous.
Four or five years again there was few nights of auroral display that made it down to South Jersey. It was very unusual.
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Agent Orange
Probably the same storm.
Keep up these good stories. The 16 YO went with a few friends to see the new Harry Potter movie showing at 12:01. She won't be home till around 2:30 or 3:00, and I'm sure I won't be able to sleep till she's home.
In February 1979 I travelled to Manitoba to see the total eclipse of the Sun. About midnight, the night before the overcast sky cleared and the entire sky was shimmering with Northern lights. Somewhere I have a stash of time exposure slides.
The eclipse was excellent the next day as well.
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How about some music?
Here's one . . . (I am an optimist, you know)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...h?
v=XsovXU9OxVw
spaceweather.com has good galleries of sky pics from around the world.
http://www.spaceweather.com/
Here's a funny story, sort of. One night I was coming home from the train and walking down this narrow dark alleyway to the car park. Three teenage boys commented on me as I passed by them. Behind me I saw this woman walking wearing something rather transparent and hobbling along on very high heels, so I slowed down thinking that she might need help against the boys. But when they made their comments to her, she answered with a basso profundo.
In February 1979 I travelled to Manitoba to see the total eclipse of the Sun. About midnight, the night before the overcast sky cleared and the entire sky was shimmering with Northern lights. Somewhere I have a stash of time exposure slides.
The eclipse was excellent the next day as well.
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Agent Orange
Wouldn't it be great to re-live amazing experiences like these?
In February 1979 I travelled to Manitoba to see the total eclipse of the Sun. About midnight, the night before the overcast sky cleared and the entire sky was shimmering with Northern lights. Somewhere I have a stash of time exposure slides.
The eclipse was excellent the next day as well.
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Agent Orange
Camping in British Columbia many (many) years ago, saw the most fantastic display of lights. Bright lime green curtains and starbursts. It was fantastic.
Behind me I saw this woman walking wearing something rather transparent and hobbling along on very high heels, so I slowed down thinking that she might need help against the boys. But when they made their comments to her, she answered with a basso profundo.
Echidne
Did the boys shriek and run away?
Did the boys shriek and run away?
They got up and left. I didn't hear what was said but it didn't sound friendly.
Did the boys shriek and run away?
ellroon, smolderingwreckian
They would have gotten more than they bargained for there, wouldn't they?
Keep up these good stories. The 16 YO went with a few friends to see the new Harry Potter movie showing at 12:01. She won't be home till around 2:30 or 3:00, and I'm sure I won't be able to sleep till she's home.
Integral ♠ Lit | 07.15.09 - 1:34 am
Parents give up on sleep from day one....
1Watt, great pics at that sight of the northern lights.
The older you get, the more you SHOULD be able to recognize those "special moments" and revel in them for as long as possible.
I know I don't regret a single minute spent watching the Aurora Borealae (is that the correct plural?)...
Parents give up on sleep from day one....
ellroon, smolderingwreckian
You can say that again. [yawn]
I spent over half my youth outside. More or less lived in the woods. Went camping with a blanket, knife, matches, horse & dog. dog was an half collie, half St. Bernard, would never spent the night in the woods with me, even if I tied him to a tree. He'd chew through the rope,go 5 miles to the house, leaving me and the horse alone.
He'd chew through the rope,go 5 miles to the house, leaving me and the horse alone.
Joe Dolce born 1947 in Painesville, Ohio) is an American-born, Australian-resident singer/songwriter who achieved fame with the million-selling song "Shaddap You Face", recorded under his vehicle, the group named Joe Dolce Music Theatre and released in 1980. The song reached number one in 15 countries.
http://www.joedolce.net/
He'd chew through the rope,go 5 miles to the house, leaving me and the horse alone.
1Watt, Hermit
Man's best friend...
Shaddap You Face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...h?
v=sFacWGBJ_cs
My Youtube turn
One of my favorites, written by Gene Clark of the BYRDS performed on the 60s dance show 'Shindig'. The Shindig dancers (beehive hairdos, sack dresses and go-go boots) became impinted on my adolescent mind as the ideal look.
Gene Clark on vocal, David Crosby of Crosby Stills Nash and Young on rhythm guitar and the rest doing the perkiest 'break-up' song of all time.
Gene Clark was great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=e...feature=related
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Those go-go dancers are great! Spastic, but great! Look at how high those knees go!
The dancers in the front are professional dancers. Not so sure about the caged ones.
Those go-go dancers are great! Spastic, but great! Look at how high those knees go!
Integral ♠ Lit |
They were professional dancers of course. But that look was imprinted on my mind, like baby ducks following a rubber boot because it was the first thing they ever saw.
Va va va voom!
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I know this isn't often done here, but to address John's post I see no evidence that Americans give a shit about where their next fill-up comes from and who has to die for it as long as it is cheap. "Get in my belly! I'm bigger than you, I'm higher on the food chain!"
John makes a good point in that what the U.S. does alone will not solve the ability of OPEC to hold other countries hostage if they wish.
The Sandman is tapping my shoulder.
Good night, and be well, all.
over/under sheets
These boots were made for walking. Remember Nancy Sinatra's white go-go boots?
This is what our kids think when they hear that line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...h?
v=ReXt4l9r2pA
John makes a good point in that what the U.S. does alone will not solve the ability of OPEC to hold other countries hostage if they wish.
Echidne |
Exactly, what are people expecting American oil will sell domestically for half of what OPEC oil would sell for.
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My next door neighbors on Fidalgo Island back in 1962 built a bomb shelter underneath their dog run. The entrance was inside the doghouse. When they excavated to build it they found a skull that had belonged to a Native American princess more than a thousand years ago.
Not as fat as Rush.
Duane V, pissed
Rush is sweaty-fat. Gross.
John makes a good point in that what the U.S. does alone will not solve the ability of OPEC to hold other countries hostage if they wish.
Echidne
a concerted conservation movement would halve the energy usage in this country. We waste food, energy, packaging unparalleled in the world.
Gene Clark on vocal, David Crosby of Crosby Stills Nash and Young on rhythm guitar and the rest doing the perkiest 'break-up' song of all time.
Gene Clark was great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=e...feature=related
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Agent Orange
AO, you should post that song next time you see SallyH here. I know she knows it but there is a chance Mlle does not. and she is the first person I though of when it played.
Seriously, does anyone really have the solution to this?
Integral ♠ Lit
Google 'Integral Fast Reactor.' We could use up the plutonium waste from 'light water' reactors instead of burying it in Nevada for the next half-million years. An IFR is kinda the reverse process of a traditional nuclear reactor, finally recycling its core until it's no more reactive than naturally-ocurring uranium, at the end of the reactor's approximately 30-year life.
There's a prototype reactor cranking out 19 megs in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Don't know if it's still getting funding, tho.
In the early '80s, I was a freshman in college and took a course "Energy and Society". The energy crises of the 1970s were still fresh, the decline in oil production in the lower 48 hadn't become terminal, and "Energy Independence for America" was a big slogan.
The professor translated that into "Drain America First".
But increasing domestic production of an internationally traded fungible commodity won't really solve those associated problems. The EIA has made it pretty clear that our own ability to ramp up production is dwarfed by global demand, even with the recent downturn. I always thought last summer that figures 20 and 21 put the lie to "Drill baby, drill!" (why I never saw a cable news show discuss that report is a separate matter...)
ha ha--OB2C! You read my damn mind! ('The professor translated that into "Drain America First".')
I was going to use that exact phrase, which I first heard from the late Sen. Paul Tsongas (D-MA).
Palin Washes Hands of Cap-and-Trade;
Clears Conscience of Reason
by Kurtis Cates, July 22nd, 2008
In her July 14th Op-Ed published in the Washington Post Alaska Governor Sarah Palin offered her position on the Cap and Trade legislation which is currently moving through Congress. It belies either an ignorance or dishonesty which I must attempt to answer. The piece has been widely analyzed for quality of argument and perused for relevance to cap-and-trade. John Kerry wrote what I believe was the perfect response, though I didn't expect that the perfect response would not utterly bring her down. He was pretty gentle, but his points were basically flawless. I cannot be so gentle. I am going to call Palin out for what she is, which this most recent tirade has confirms.
Governor Palin spends much of the piece complaining about what 30 years of the Obama Administration has left us with. She notes that, in the meantime, she has been putting together a little care package of ideas derived from a long career ruling Alaska, converting water into wine while Jesus gets ready to return for everyone that was smart enough to keep drilling. It is a typical political-slam type intro, stretched into the space of an article. It misses where facts are concerned but is packed with effective language and imagery and solid punches. But when she gets to the part where a person would normally present a -solution, alternative, plan- she returns to the empty words, which talk about issues but do not touch them, that she campaigned and lost with.
"We must move in a new direction. We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap the resources that God created right underfoot on American soil. Just as important, we have more desire and ability to protect the environment than any foreign nation from which we purchase energy today."
It is literally oil or nothing with this person. Her campaign chants' echoes have not ceased. People say that she has an eye on the 2012 election. I think she may still be re-running for 08'. Alaskans have weird rules about mulligans. And she did suggest in this piece that God created oil. But God did not create oil any more than he created the human brain. Why isn't she willing to use both? (Or) Why didn't God let the dinosaurs live a few million years longer? Why did God make this most incredible resource out of Dinosaurs instead of Buddhists?...
read the rest @ www.fromthebiblebelt.org
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