I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Zero comments, my ass.
Rounding first...
The twenty second thing is annoying.
I am not worthy!
Guess I'll go call sheets, now.
I'm lonely!
Victory lap?
The cities will be the worst place to be during the Greater Depression.
Go somewhere you can grow & gather food.
Even then it won't be easy, but much better than the Blackwater patrolled FEMA Concentration Camps & Cities.
They'll make what Bush turned Iraq into look like a walk in the park.
Nice homer, AH.
Govt is not your friend argues exactly the policies of the Khmer Rouge.
Thanks plantsman.
Gov't is not your friend. blocked
We're coming to get you!
Yeah, the "Free Market" done been berry, berry good to me!
When is the big pardon announcement coming out of the White House? The clock is ticking.
Preverts!
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get over it...every other post about your neighborhood, trolleys, cars, suburbs...not everyone lives the way you do. Not ev eryone wants to.
Obama won't be able to reverse the trade imbalance with China, unless the US tricks China into a war that obliterates their manufacturing ability.
More likely, Obama will partner with China and make the US, in effect, their client-state.
Republic of Taiwan 2, Electric Boogaloo.
Yuck.
Anne Kornhole on my teevee.
Trolls on the threads and on the air.
Off to the supermarché.
Dumbya is at Camp David with Larra, Bar, and Poppy -- their Satanic Mass must end before pardons are issued.
Obama won't be able to reverse the trade imbalance with China, unless the US tricks China into a war that obliterates their manufacturing ability.
More likely, Obama will partner with China and make the US, in effect, their client-state.
Republic of Taiwan 2, Electric Boogaloo.
Chopstix
New nym, same old idiot.
If it's all so hopeless, perhaps you should kill yourself now and end the agony.
When is the big pardon announcement coming out of the White House? The clock is ticking.
spanky |
Sunday, after Meet the Press and before the Eagles Cardinals kick off!
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I'm hedging my funds.
A bank talked me into investing in one. I spent an evening reading the lengthy and very detailed contract, and realized that this was a scam, and that I was being scammed.
Discussed it with ze Bank, which thought I was being silly. They're now in big trouble over their many investments in such funds, and will probably go under. I'm with another bank.
Caveat Emptor.
I put the money in a very nice housing unit
China has a lot of her own problems to contend with and was hoping to use the US to grow into a powerhouse a la Japan and South Korea.
Globalization has meant sacrificing self-sufficiency, sovereignty and independence for foreign dependency which can only lead to economic enslavement.
Obama, like many past presidents, is nothing more then a puppet, a front man controlled by special interest groups, foreign banks and corporate powers who are pushing globalization and world government.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems...16/
18563657.php
A union guy just called Beyonce "Bouncy"
*snort*
Check out Smart Code, from Duany Plater-Zyberk.
Discussed it with ze Bank, which thought I was being silly. They're now in big trouble over their many investments in such funds, and will probably go under. I'm with another bank.
Caveat Emptor.
I put the money in a very nice housing unit
SteinL
Ten or fifteen years ago, a guy came over to talk to the ex about investing in a mutual fund. Not so long before, the Russian economy had imploded. The guy was very offended when I suggested the same could happen here.
The lesson, I guess, is that financial advisors are the epitome of the conventional wisdom, always.
more racist sockpuppets
I believe Obama is teh evil because a website on the internets told me so.
The "I Am Miss Cleo From Hell" shtick is so lame, you couldn't predict a sunrise, twit.
Too fucking stupid to get a real degree, you teach high school.
Ah yes, the anti-intellectualism of the right and the fundies.
Because educated people think for themselves and cannot be easily controlled.
Terry C, Waiting for Tuesday | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 11:53 am | #
And how does this explain that you couldn't get a real degree or a real job?
CNN coverage of daisy-chaining cell phones on the train isn't really working so far.
I think it should be a requirement that the socks and multis each have to have a seperate grav for each iteration.
It's would slow the flow of crap at least a bit.
I consider bigotry and sexism "sins".
Terry C, Waiting for Tuesday | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 11:54 am | #
Too bad your thoughts don't matter.
Get back in the kitchen and fetch me a biscuit, bitch.
Obama, like many past presidents, is nothing more then a puppet, a front man controlled by special interest groups, foreign banks and corporate powers who are pushing globalization and world government.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems...16/ 18563657.php
Samebo=CFR puppet
Thanks a lot for 8 years of Bush, Ralph.
Nobody is jealous of Sarah Palin or her fifteen minutes of fame.
Okay, over to Firefox I go. Buh-bye!
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 11:52 am | #
15 minutes? She's lined up to be your next POTUS.
It's too early to rub your nose in shit, Big Girl.
Teaching isn't a real job, but hanging out in your parent's basement with a bag of cheet-ohs is?
If we ignore the troll, it will fuck off and die.
Just saying.
neighborhoods like yours are why we have fire departments 
instead of row-houses, we gots condo-hell, kinda the same thing only with off-street parking
but they are great first homes and some are actually nice
Teaching isn't a real job, but hanging out in your parent's basement with a bag of cheet-ohs is?
We've had stupid trolls here, but Cali/Gordon is one of the all time worst.
Leonard Cohen. "Democracy:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...h?
v=OETwbVBPI1U
Thanks a lot for 8 years of Bush, Al & Joe.
FYT
Sarah Palin is on an ice highway to obscurity. Only she and Cali don't realize it.
http://www.subgenius.com/
bigfist...n_my_Necka.html
Once more with feeling, two things that give me hope today:
* It is not up to you to complete the work of perfecting the union...
* V for Vandalism
Thanks a lot for 8 years of Bush, Ralph.
Such talk makes Elias cry.
neighborhoods like yours are why we have fire departments
Some brand new suburban matchstick house will burn long before my century brick will.
What is so illegal about Atrios' neighborhood? I must have missed that post...
Such talk makes Elias cry.
Terry C
You say that like it's a bad thing
While many things in my posts about this stuff are often misunderstood by people, the thing that people seem to most fail to grasp is the basic point that in almost all of the country it is illegal to build a neighborhood like mine. This is even true in my neighborhood!
Bizarre.
Big Firms Deepen Job, Wage Cuts
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 17, 2009 | Conor Dougherty
Strapped U.S. companies, while continuing to slash their work forces, are deploying a once-rare tool to trim labor costs -- pay cuts.
In addition to layoffs, companies are increasingly trimming wages, a tactic economic historians said hasn't been wielded broadly since the Great Depression.
Heavy equipment maker Caterpillar Inc. announced in late December it would cut executive pay by half, and many salaried employees would see cuts of as much as 15%. Hutchinson Technology, a Hutchinson, Minn., maker of disk drive components, cut salaries 5% for employees who remained after a round of layoffs concluded this week. In Galveston, Texas, police and firefighters unions agreed to a 3% pay cut as the city grapples with the recession and the aftermath of Hurricane Ike.
The Federal Reserve reported this week in its survey of economic activity that companies around the U.S. are considering freezing or cutting pay. The Fed's survey of 12 districts, known as the Beige Book, cited examples in the Boston, Chicago and San Francisco regions.
n a recent poll by human-resources consulting firm Watson Wyatt, 5% of 117 companies surveyed said they had reduced salaries to cope with the recession; 6% plan to do so in the next year.
If we could convince these people to work for nothing, what a boon that would be.
What is so illegal about Atrios' neighborhood?
Rooftop meth labs.
It's much denser with less mandated parking than most municipalities' current laws require, is my understanding.
I blame the RAND corporation.
Some brand new suburban matchstick house will burn long before my century brick will.
sure will. but they won't ignite someone else's home (at least outside california)
“The powers of financial capitalism had far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert.”
- CFR historian & Bill Clinton mentor, Carroll Quigley.
Thanks, Clenis!
3 days almost exactly...
more racist sockpuppets
They're crawling out of the woodwork today....like roaches.
Maybe you have seen this. I hadn't-- Krugman's letter to the president.
http://www.truthout.org/011709Z
While many things in my posts about this stuff are often misunderstood by people, the thing that people seem to most fail to grasp is the basic point that in almost all of the country it is illegal to build a neighborhood like mine. This is even true in my neighborhood!
So now you understand why the question is moot?
Um, teaching kids in the midst of their hormone flood is not easy, by any stretch of the imagination.
Have you ever noticed how folks that couldn't graduate school always hate teachers?
it's never their own fault.
It would be nice if a few Supreme Court Justices would announce their retirements at ...oh, around 12:01 PM Tuesday - one specifically and say sorry about Bush vs Gore 2000.
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now that i'm a board member, i'm also coming to understand that it's not just a "policy" problem, but also a 'self regulating' problem. we've got all these foolish, anti-environmentalist, 'make every house exactly the same inefficient use of the structure and land' rules in our HOA bylaws. the only way that changes is when homeowners get on HOA boards and try to change them. which is hard. right now i'm battling with our rather anti-environmentalist board prez. sad thing is, he's too stupid to realize that what 'increases property values' today isn't the same as it was in the cheap energy, everyone drives a big car 1950s. but i'm working on him.
sure will. but they won't ignite someone else's home (at least outside california)
mogwai
Neither will mine.
Brick doesn't burn.
The Federal Reserve reported this week in its survey of economic activity that companies around the U.S. are considering freezing or cutting pay.
Already been done where Mrs Toonscribe works -- as well as lay-offs.
Thx plantsman, this makes more sense than the rooftop meth labs explanation!
This just leaves the question: Why did Atrios move into such a horrible quarter? Who forced him to do this?
:D
Hutchinson Technology, a Hutchinson, Minn., maker of disk drive components, cut salaries 5% for employees who remained after a round of layoffs concluded this week.
Lime Rickey
The founder and former CEO of Hutchinson is a guy named Jeff Green, I believe. Some years ago the local StarTribune regular as clockwork about every six months would publish a letter from him about how he was moving his company out of Minnesota and to South Dakota because taxes were too high here.
A first class asshole. I feel sorry for his employees, though.
Deadthreaded:
* V for Vandalism
The alt radio station has an annual Protest Song Contest. Its gotten more popular every year, lots of entries. Winner gets his/her song played regularly. They've all been very good works, too.
Some brand new suburban matchstick house will burn long before my century brick will.
I live in a century old brick rowhome.
What is so illegal about Atrios' neighborhood? I must have missed that post...
Gray |
I'm guessing density, off street parking and set back requirements.
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Atrios likes dense, pedestrian-friendly cities with ground-level commercial space a great deal.
What is the logic behind bailing out some failing companies while letting others die?
Why not let successful companies buy up the remnants of failures if they wished to fix them?
What must be remembered is that CIA owns companies many foolishly presume to be free agents, when in reality they are fronts for agents.
AIG, BoA, etc.
Atrios likes dense, pedestrian-friendly cities with ground-level commercial space a great deal.
plantsman
The occasional park is nice, too.
It’s about saying that public policy shouldn’t be aimed at exclusively promoting a particular vision of car-only suburbanism.
The thing is, our public policy is formulated when a small group of people, acting in their own personal financial self interest, are active enough to shape the policy just by being active while most are not.
So we get the mess we've got, auto-centric land use planning.
A vision that doesn't see the auto (and the sprawl it enables) to be the only means of transportation in the universe is needed, but the status quo is that it is. Moe has a point about all this. A lot of complacency, apathy, and go along to get along has to be overcome to change what amounts to a consensus that some of us see as unsustainable but the vast majority just don't care about.
individual plots in my neighborhood could be redone as they are, but any larger developer (5+units) would have to provide parking
Atrios wants everybody to start rooftop meth labs.
Btw, from what I read at the Irvinehousingblog.com about typical parcel sizes, Atrios neighborhood can't be worse than most of Irvine, CA...
It would be nice if a few Supreme Court Justices would announce their
retirements at ...oh, around 12:01 PM Tuesday - one specifically and
say sorry about Bush vs Gore 2000.
Too late for apologies. No apology in the world could ever make up for the damage they inflicted on the world.
They should join Rehnquist in hell.
What must be remembered is that CIA owns companies many foolishly presume to be free agents, when in reality they are fronts for agents.
AIG, BoA, etc.
Capitalism is a farce.
Let me save you some time.
The Joos!
RAND corporation started out as "Research and Development" with the Army. Many who were fleeing Nazi Germany after WWII. It was all very efficient in sizing for "compartmentalizing human beings." The architecture and all. That's where the box buildings and featureless windows in governmental buildings like schools and housing projects come from you see now.
"Atrios likes dense, pedestrian-friendly cities with ground-level commercial space a great deal."
so do I, actually. Neither one of us wants to outlaw cars or force people on the bus but instead want to increase the chances to live that way.
43's 43 (short list)
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01.../bush-43-worst/
JR, if atrios's brick townhome burns, the neighbors will not be happy, is what i'm saying, brick or not
that's why we have fire depts. where i live there are NO fire hydrants, no water at all, guess what happens to homes that burn out here? right the firemen watch it burn to nothing.
RAND corporation started out as "Research and Development" with the Army. Many who were fleeing Nazi Germany after WWII. It was all very efficient in sizing for "compartmentalizing human beings." The architecture and all. That's where the box buildings and featureless windows in governmental buildings like schools and housing projects come from you see now.
20żO9
I think it predates that. LeCorbusier, and all that.
Calling Beyonce "Bouncy" is fucking funny.
The occasional park is nice, too.
Adam Hominem | 01.17.09 - 12:07 pm | #
William Penn and his surveyors agreed with you.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~cap/...ENN/
pnplan.html
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But who wants to live in a box? So they didn't take the human component in mind.
right the firemen watch it burn to nothing.
mogwai
You say it like it's a bad thing.
Incidentally, what part of Texas are you writing from?
Featureless buildings cost less than ornamented ones. Capitalism has driven this trend as much as anything else.
But who wants to live in a box? So they didn't take the human component in mind.
20żO9
I agree. Nice to see you posting sober, btw.
Let me save you some time.
The Joos!
Zionists are a front for Central Banks.
Banksters are not limited to one race or creed.
They are merely those evil enough to view others as things...
with the means & wherewithal to run a rat race some are foolish enough to run in and 'rah rah' for in petty partisanship akin to sports fans.
i, for one, lament the policy push to mandate everyone live in a neighborhood designed to accomodate the Gingers that were supposed to eliminate car use altogether. so sorry that didn't happen.
Beyonce is Bouncy.
We should all live one big giant building.
The whole world.
Atrios wants us to eat all sorts of exotic meats on his roof.
Catalonian razor clams!
It must be possible to integrate humanity, and the personal automobile.
I think.
plantsman: Beyonce is Bouncy.
Is she ever.
Oh-oh-oh!
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I live six blocks from here.
Works for me.
Right, the grocery store awaits!
"But who wants to live in a box?"
If you can't afford anything bigger, it's still better than sleeping under the bridge. Ever seen a picture of a "room" in a cheap japanese hotel?
http://willmbarker.blogspot.com/...sule-
hotel.html
Incidentally, what part of Texas are you writing from?
taxes? i'm from CT, the great middle woods of CT
"Cue the sun."
Ooh! I think I saw fresh ramps in one of those Farmers Market pics, BG. Looks delish!
When is the big pardon announcement coming out of the White House? The clock is ticking.
spanky
who says he has to issue a press release. why not just leave them on the desk for someone to find, along with a note.
I actually believe the pardon tsunami happens Tuesday AM.
"But who wants to live in a box?"
Heh. You're lucky - you HAD a box.
I had to live on a grate.
taxes? i'm from CT, the great middle woods of CT
mogwai
Truly? No fire hydrants?
I'm shocked, really.
Canal ice helps Dutch rediscover national identity
International Herald Tribune ^ | January 16, 2009 | John Tagliabue Published: January 16, 2009
NIEUWERKERK AAN DEN IJSSEL, Netherlands: For the first time in 12 years, the Netherlands' canals froze this month, bringing the Dutch, who like their tulips in neat rows, a heady mix of pandemonium and euphoria.
Hundreds of thousands of skaters, their cheeks as red as apples in the freezing temperatures, took to the ice, and hospital wards were filled with dozens of people with fractured arms, sprained ankles and broken legs.
Train engineers were ordered to go slowly to avoid hitting skaters who clambered across railway tracks to get from one frozen canal to another. Even the minister of defense, an avid skater, fell and broke his wrist. His ministry announced that the national defense remained in safe hands, even if one of them was in a cast.
In the 19th century, when Hans Brinker, the hero of the novel in which he tries to win a pair of silver skates, coasted along Holland's ice, the canals froze almost every year. But water pollution and climate change have made this so rare that today a boy of 15, Brinker's age, may never have seen a frozen canal, or at least remember one. Until, that is, this year.
How are the gondolas faring with all this ice to plow through?
Ever seen a picture of a "room" in a cheap japanese hotel?
the Killers video for "can you read my mind" set in tokyo has some great footage including those pillbox 'rooms'
The train trip is so cool. I got so lost in the moment I was waving at my tv set.
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"But who wants to live in a box?"
If you can't afford anything bigger, it's still better than sleeping under the bridge.
True.
Things being the way they are, many people would be happy to be living in "a box."
Better than a cardboard box on the streets.
Hello, I'd like to report a crime. The Academy robbed Ed Harris in 1999.
That is all.
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A brewing fraud scandal at the Treasury Department may be worse than officials originally thought.
Investigators probing how Treasury regulators allowed a bank to falsify financial records hiding its ill health have found at least three other instances of similar apparent fraud, sources tell ABC News.
In at least one instance, investigators say, banking regulators actually approached the bank with the suggestion of falsifying deposit dates to satisfy banking rules -- even if it disguised the bank's health to the public.
Treasury Department Inspector General Eric Thorson announced in November his office would probe how a Savings and Loan overseer allowed the IndyMac bank to essentially cook its books, making it appear in government filings that the bank had more deposits than it really did. But Thorson's aides now say IndyMac wasn't the only institution to get such cozy assistance from the official who should have been the cop on the beat.
Chimpy's bizarro regulators.
We should all live one big giant building.
The whole world.
i think that series is called "Chung Kwo" and it's one of those really long, really involved, too many characters to keep track of sort of sci-fi series.
I agree. Nice to see you posting sober, btw.
Adam Hominem | 01.17.09 - 12:11 pm | #
I'm three sheets to the wind. Uh, nice to see you posting sober.
Well, here in the Paris of the Tri-State Metropolitan Area it is goddamn fricking cold.
Sorry, felt like venting.
I'm so glad not everything created will have to have
"Freedumb" and "USA" stuck onto its name any longer.
Truly? No fire hydrants?
shhh. it's a secret. that we have some pretty kick ass woods here.
the largest town in this county has 50,000 people, that town has fire hydrants...most the others, no city water at all
A lovely 14 degrees in my neck of the woods.
Ugh!
Astoria is the new Brooklyn. No, Hoboken. No wait, Jersey City. Stop, it's Harlem. No, hold on, it's Yonkers. Actually, Crown Heights is the new Brooklyn.
Well, here in the Paris of the Tri-State Metropolitan Area it is goddamn fricking cold.
Glad to have gotten rid of it.
"Cue the sun."
My line in a 4th grade French play: Je suis le soleil!
Pegged as egocentric at an early age...
"Sorry, felt like venting."
Venting certainly isn't a good idea right now, regarding the cilling winds. Better hold your nose!
:D
I just threw a breaker cooking my enchiladas in the cracker box I'm living in. Had to turn off my fan and reset.
Astoria is the new Brooklyn. No, Hoboken. No wait, Jersey City. Stop, it's Harlem. No, hold on, it's Yonkers. Actually, Crown Heights is the new Brooklyn.
Culture of TrÜth |
Hey, things happen fast around here.
fishtown is the new brooklyn according to the new york times
No more Bush!
http://gawker.com/5133338/dubyas...bution-to-
women
It's cold and clear here, but nothing like what youse guys have.
What's fishtown?
Hackensack is the new Queens. No wait, it isn't.
midwood is the new brooklyn
i think that series is called "Chung Kwo" and it's one of those really long, really involved, too many characters to keep track of sort of sci-fi series.
I haven't heard of that one. I'll have to check it out. Do you know when it was done? About twelve or thirteen years ago, I developed a series along that line, but we weren't able to sell it and get it into production.
Hello, I'd like to report a crime. The Academy robbed Ed Harris in 1999.
That is all.
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QuentinCompson
"we're sorry, but all our investigators are busy working on the Denzel as Malcom X and Hayek as Frida miscarriges of justice right now. please remain on hold while we direct your call to the Department of Why is Colin Farrel on the Big Screen, Again?"
Breakers are so much cooler than fuses!
Fishtown?
Hackensack is the new Queens. No wait, it isn't.
Culture of TrÜth |
!!!!!!!
New Milford, otoh ...
So, atrios will start posting videos of bands from "fishtown" now?
That plane in the harbor is *already* being subdivided into condos.
fishtown is gentrifying philly neighborhood
"What's fishtown?"
area of Philadelphia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishtown
Describe your neighborhood, Atrios. I don't think it is illegal here in Portland, but wtfdik
I live six blocks from here.
Works for me.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
The street where I live.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/
2...92cbba8cc_b.jpg
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Help is on the way. It's warming up here rapidly and the cold artic blast is being pushed out.
I hate the E-Trade guy from Hackensack who spooges because he can trade in Hong Kong, and "that's China".
I dunno, that's a long commute to midtown.
Astoria is the new Brooklyn. No, Hoboken. No wait, Jersey City. Stop, it's Harlem. No, hold on, it's Yonkers. Actually, Crown Heights is the new Brooklyn.
Culture of TrÜth |
You can't get hipper than Lubovich
Shake your earlocks, baby.
fishtown is gentrifying philly neighborhood
Atrios |
In glacial slow motion me thinks.
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Atrios, are you trying to boost your cred by claiming you live as an outlaw?
Astoria is the new Brooklyn...
Somerville was the new Cambridge, until it got ruined by greedy developers. So they pushed us back to Arlington, which is faring the same. People are moving to Chelsea, Waltham, Billerica. And The Machine will not rest until we all are beaten back to New Hampshire (shudder..)
"What's fishtown?"
area of Philadelphia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishtown
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
I could live there.
[ Thinks of all the properties grandparents owned/could have owned/sold ]
[ sobs ]
The po' folk will be forced to live in the vacant big-box stores.
The Machine will not rest until we all are beaten back to New Hampshire (shudder..)
North Conway is the new Nashua.
from the wiki on Fishtown:
The area was originally inhabited by members of the Turtle Clan of the Lenni Lenape Indian tribe (who the Europeans named the Delaware Indian Tribe). The first European settlers were a group of 6 Swedish farming families, later replaced by British landed gentry, then British shipbuilders and German fishermen.
Let's give it back. -dude from Midnight Oil
Somerville was the new Cambridge, until it got ruined by greedy developers. So they pushed us back to Arlington, which is faring the same. People are moving to Chelsea, Waltham, Billerica. And The Machine will not rest until we all are beaten back to New Hampshire (shudder..)
bill buckner | 01.17.09 - 12:24 pm |
Waltham has sure changed in the last 30 years. I don't recognize it.
"I could live there."
it's changing as fast as anywhere in the city at the moment
"What's fishtown?"
Here in Germany, it's Bremerhaven...
http://www.fischtown-pinguins.de/
Charlotte is the new Detroit.
[ Thinks of all the properties grandparents owned/could have owned/sold ]
[ sobs ]
Culture of TrÜth |
Same here. Except for me, it's my parents.
Gray | 01.17.09 - 12:20 pm | #
just couldn't help yourself, could ya, bub? 
chung kuo, Toonscribe.
iirc, everyone lives in a megahuge, artificial 'belt' that runs around the planet. of course, some people live outside, but they are the Moorlocks of this society, sort of. there is no privacy and computerized camera systems record everyone's every move, inside. there's a sort of 'judge dredd' like inequality, in terms of which people get to live in what size apartments.
Let's give it back. -dude from Midnight Oil
How can we sleep while our blogs are burning?
The gentrified parts of Fishtown in Philly have been jokingly referred to as "Fishtin Heights" with the appropriate incorrect spelling and affected pronunciation.
btw There are no hills.
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Methane Could Signal Life On Mars
InformationWeek - 5 hours ago
there are cows on mars?
fishtown is gentrifying philly neighborhood...
Also a nym for the decidedly down-market Gloucester, MA. (See "A Perfect Storm.")
This needs fixin' by our DFH friends: a poll at the home page of the Orlando Sentinel about whether the state should issue license plates wtih confederate flags.
A shocking percentage (over 65%) says yes.
I'm adding Orlando to my list of places to never live.
Weird to see the Bremerhaven guy have a crazed "Redskin on the Warpath" on his helmet.
[ Thinks of all the properties grandparents owned/could have owned/sold ]
[ sobs ]
Culture of TrÜth |
Tell me about it. My parents owned property all over Northern California in the late '50s early '60's.
Wassila is the new West Village
Positively N. Knik St.
The street where I live.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/ 2...92cbba8cc_b.jpg
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Agent Orange | 01.17.09 - 12:22 pm |
Very pretty area.
Atrios, are you trying to boost your cred by claiming you live as an outlaw?
bo
the number of outstanding warrants on him for his video posting are staggering indeed.
The gentrified parts of Fishtown in Philly have been jokingly referred to as "Fishtin Heights" with the appropriate incorrect spelling and affected pronunciation.
btw There are no hills.
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Agent Orange | 01.17.09 - 12:26 pm | #
Back in the day, the yet to gentrify parts of Park Slope were known as Dark Slope because the black people hadn't been displaced yet.
it's changing as fast as anywhere in the city at the moment
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
That view depends somewhat on your age I think. Northern Liberties then Fishtown - if you're in your mid 20s, hell what's 30 years, if you're mid 60s not so much.
.
FWIW
My neighborhood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fox...a,_Pennsylvania
rootless,
When Schneerson was still alive, a Lubavich grocery store near me had things that looked suspiciously like Rebbe Schneerson trading cards.
Really weird.
OK, got my lil' toaster oven going again. Starting to smell the aroma of cooking again. I knew something was wrong.
"the number of outstanding warrants on him for his video posting are staggering indeed."
hey I once posted little green apples on a thread
does anyone remember?
actually yes...
If you can turn anything electrical off, I would.
A shocking percentage (over 65%) says yes.
i'm not shocked at all. see: JEB and various rethug majorities in the state house. the rebel flag is 'heritage' after all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Fox...a,_Pennsylvania
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
Canada geese!!!!! 
Nice area, though.
This should be funny:
http://patrickhenrypress.info/?p=409015
too bad it's true.
I'm adding Orlando to my list of places to never live.
my uncle lives there and when properties peaked his home was valued at > 1M (lake front he built for 249k)...i told him to sell, but he is still there with the getto moving in around him, that city sucks, imho
Waltham has sure changed in the last 30 years.
You went to school there, no? I like Waltham. A bit remote for my purposes tho, especially now that I'm trying to drive less...
ChiDy
Thanks for the Chung Kuo link. I'll see if they're available through the library. From the reviews, it looks like there were major differences between my series development and the book series, but I'm interested to see Wingrove's take on things.
there are cows on mars? - mogwai
Worse, trolls.
Atrios, are you trying to boost your cred by claiming you live as an outlaw?
bo
"To live outside the law you must be honest."
I think either Bob Dylan or Shecky Green said that.
"That view depends somewhat on your age I think."
I still think of manayunk as an industrial shithole. A friend of mine with a gift for a phrase says now it's "south street with a silver spoon jammed up its ass"
rootless,
When Schneerson was still alive, a Lubavich grocery store near me had things that looked suspiciously like Rebbe Schneerson trading cards.
Really weird.
Adam Hominem | 01.17.09 - 12:30 pm | #
The "Dark Rabbi" version is worth a lot of $$$ - plus it has double the hit points and attack damage of the regular Rabbi card...
Hello, all...
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When Schneerson was still alive, a Lubavich grocery store near me had things that looked suspiciously like Rebbe Schneerson trading cards.
Really weird.
Adam Hominem | 01.17.09 - 12:30 pm | #
There's actually who sets of Hassidic Chochem trading cards. I always wondered if the different feuding sects had their own cards - because you know that nobody hates the Lubovich like the Satmars and so on.
CD,
Those are for Crimes Against Humanity.
Florida's State Flag is clearly derived from the Stars And Bars, which echoes the Scottish Flag.
If you can turn anything electrical off, I would.
plantsman | 01.17.09 - 12:31 pm | #
It should still be cooking. Let me check.
Hold...
Crap. Chelsea came all the way back late and beat Stoke 2-1.
If even more arctic glaciers melt, Nu Awlins will become the new Venice...
You went to school there, no? I like Waltham. A bit remote for my purposes tho, especially now that I'm trying to drive less...
bill buckner | 01.17.09 - 12:32 pm |
Yeah ... Brandeis. Before all the techie companies moved in. Before they even existed, actually.
Very pretty area.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Number 8 on the brochure is for sale, built by Betsy Ross's uncle.
btw I did the photos, copy and layout on the brochure - just sayin'
.
There's actually who sets of Hassidic Chochem trading cards. I always wondered if the different feuding sects had their own cards - because you know that nobody hates the Lubovich like the Satmars and so on.
rootless-e, ur peasant
So they really were trading cards.
Bizarre.
The Last "Great Moments in Presidential Speeches"
(video):
What kind of person ministers a church and runs a political consulting operation at the same time?
Number 8 on the brochure is for sale, built by Betsy Ross's uncle.
btw I did the photos, copy and layout on the brochure - just sayin'
.
Agent Orange | 01.17.09 - 12:34 pm |
Cool!
steve,
spent several minutes thinking about how to work that in but decided I wasn't awake enough.
"Nice area, though."
I like it
safe - even though it's noted for 2 of the most famous killings in the history of the city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The..._(Philadelphia)
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...storyId=1108880
Oops. Correct Link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...l_n_158705.html
Adam:
http://www.torahpersonalities.com/
Okay, gotta get moving. If I don't freeze to death, see all you fine folks later!
Series 1:
The Premiere Series of Torah Personalities, this set of 36 different photos include the greatest Rabbis of the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's. They measure 4"x6".
Get 'em now, before the messiah gets here.
Adam:
http://www.torahpersonalities.com/
rootless-e, ur peasant
That's them!
Oy!
Today is Michelle Obama's birthday.
My neighborhood.
District Del Sol.
"Canada geese!!!!!"
This reminds me of the US Airways plane crash. Even though there was a happy end, US media united in their conclusion on the reason for the engine failure:
Blame Canada!
:D
A friend of mine with a gift for a phrase says now it's "south street with a silver spoon jammed up its ass"
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
As a kid I watched South St go from post WWII decaying shops owned by aging Jewish merchants to whatever you want to call it today. Manayunk and South st shouldn't call each other names.
They are what they are and hopefully they can be populated with people who can get what they want out of their neighborhoods.
.
Let me tell you what I want,
what I really, really, really, really want>=.
One of these - in every public bathroom.
Infrastructure we can beleive in.
It's above freezing here, even the snow in the shady spots has melted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...h?
v=n6BzfL8GPzk
Tuesday is right around the corner!
The immediately-walkable part of my neighborhood.
Very high density.
.
My neighborhood.
District Del Sol.
AndyMN, shovel-ready
Just as well I'm a little distance away. I'd spend all my time in El Burrito Mercado.
Almost bought a house in Cherokee Heights, tho.
"Manayunk and South st shouldn't call each other names.|"
they aren't - my friend is
Let me tell you what I want,
what I really, really, really, really want>=.
One of these - in every public bathroom.
Infrastructure we can beleive in.
bo |
OMG those have to be on serious back order!
.
My neighborhood.
District Del Sol.
My neighborhood. The Bog District.
Jeebus, it's 14° out. People were told to get to the stadium by 9:00 a.m. I am very comfortable watching it all on teevee.
Almost bought a house in Cherokee Heights, tho.
Lots of caves and stuff over there and pieces of the old Yeorg brewery. Some really neat houses, too.
CD,
Those are for Crimes Against Humanity.
bo |
i think i read 2 or 3 of them when i was 13 or so. couldn't get thru them, too dense, too much plot wandering. i do remember the part about the prostitutes having little genetically engineered insects living inside their girl parts, the better to eat STDs and thus keep the hookers 'clean.' i was skimming the reviews and the series does seem to evoke strong emotion in people. i'm sure i would probably not care for them as an adult.
Jeebus, it's 14° out. People were told to get to the stadium by 9:00 a.m. I am very comfortable watching it all on teevee.
ql
Looks real cold out there..
i'm not shocked at all. see: JEB and various rethug majorities in the state house. the rebel flag is 'heritage' after all.
They dont' call the panhandle the "Redneck Riviera" for nothing, ya know.
If a German tried to display a "heritage flag" in the form of the swastika, he'd be put in jail.
I still can't believe it. A black president.
Holy shit.
My neighborhood. The Bog District.
Any cool bands from around there? I'd bet Atrios would move there if there were...
Chidyke has mail
Yeah, it's cooking. I see the heating elements glowing orange again. Fridge (one from the 70s Harvest Gold color) is tied into it. So all the other appliances are off but those two.
Lots of caves and stuff over there and pieces of the old Yeorg brewery. Some really neat houses, too.
AndyMN, shovel-ready
The one I was looking at was really killer, built 1880 or so. Could not get the owners to actually sell it, tho--despite it being listed.
I guess they really didn't want to move.
If a German tried to display a "heritage flag" in the form of the swastika, he'd be put in jail.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.17.09 - 12:43 pm | #
OTOH - not so for those preserving odious parts of the heritage of the Baltic states ...
The Premiere Series of Torah Personalities, this set of 36 different photos include the greatest Rabbis of the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's. They measure 4"x6".
Do these come as premiums in bags of every flavor blintzes?
To all those Southern states that voted against Obama. Not for those of you in those states who voted FOR McCain, and certainly not for those of you in those states who voted for Obama.
This is for you..
Put this in your pipe and smoke it!
Tomorrow we will separate the men from the pussies. GO STILLERS!
Good mid-day, all.
Obama's Lincolnseque train ride to DC shows how much that Lincoln symbolism will shape the next 8 years.
Above the obvious, let's not forget that a major capital - AND Capitol - project was underway during the Lincoln years.
Government investment in major infrastructure - even at a time of war. It's part of Lincoln's legacy.
I really miss the Atrios ideal of urban living w. abundant retail/services. For many years I could walk to work in 5 minutes, and most errands could EASILY be taken care of by stepping out for a few in the middle of the day. (At my last gig, it took me longer to walk from my car to the office.)
Current setup isn't nearly that convenient, but I do dig the MANY historical markers documenting the British retreat from Lexington. "We shot at the teabags HERE." "And HERE."
"And HERE."
Any cool bands from around there? I'd bet Atrios would move there if there were...
Dude from Phish owns property not too far away...
If a German tried to display a "heritage flag" in the form of the swastika, he'd be put in jail.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Some people are having a hard time letting go of the old confederacy.
Tomorrow we will separate the men from the pussies. GO STILLERS!
Make sure you call Ray Lewis a pussy.
Government investment in major infrastructure - even at a time of war. It's part of Lincoln's legacy.
Roadmaster, Arctic Milwaukee
Railroads.
Tomorrow we will separate the men from the pussies. GO STILLERS!
Monroeville Mike
Where'd your Stillers gravatar go?
Tomorrow we will separate the men from the pussies. GO STILLERS
Gomez? That you?
Government investment in major infrastructure - even at a time of war. It's part of Lincoln's legacy.
Roadmaster, Arctic Milwaukee
I have a friend who is a Civil War buff--he presents as evidence that the South never had a chance the fact that while fighting the War the North had the resources to also build the transcontinental railroad.
Do I live in a neighborhood if I can't see any neighbors?
Welcome back, Gomez!
The one I was looking at was really killer, built 1880 or so. Could not get the owners to actually sell it, tho--despite it being listed.
I guess they really didn't want to move.
Adam Hominem | 01.17.09 - 12:44 pm | #
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Probably didn't want to sell something like they had to just anyone. No offense.
"I still can't believe it. A black president.
Holy shit."
joe speaking in wilmington live on cspan.
i'm such a dork, i'm recording all this.
i do remember the part about the prostitutes having little genetically engineered insects living inside their girl parts, the better to eat STDs and thus keep the hookers 'clean - cd
Hmmmmm, don't recall seeing anything like that in A-man's atrocious videos. Maybe I should read more of this thread.
The "pussy" calling card. Pretty clever.
Tomorrow we will separate the men from the pussies. GO STILLERS!
Monroeville Mike | 01.17.09 - 12:46 pm | #
What's weird is that ostensibly hetro men say things like this as if the first group was more appealing than the second.
Some people are having a hard time letting go of the old confederacy.
At least Jefferson Davis made the trains run on time.
Billy b still doesn't know football smack.
I have a friend who is a Civil War buff--he presents as evidence that the South never had a chance the fact that while fighting the War the North had the resources to also build the transcontinental railroad.
Adam Hominem
Well, they didn't. In a war of attrition, wealth won out.
Duane? Coke? Diet or regular?
Joe Biden, Amtrak's No. 1 commuter!
thanks for the terraserver link, ntodd. and- nice bog! we've got lots of swamp- i mean 'wetlands' around here, too.
Was that an amtrak conductor who introduced Biden?
Geez, I'm such a sucker for these cornball Democratic intros for people like Joe Biden.
(gets misty)
Tuesday is right around the corner!
Duane V, AnarchoSyndicalist | 01.17.09 - 12:39 pm | #
Criswell Predicts: The troll splooge is going to be really annoying.
The "pussy" calling card. Pretty clever.
AndyMN, shovel-ready
Plenty of Steeler fans around. How do you think I knew it was Gomez?
"At least Jefferson Davis made the trains run on time."
interesting character. Had the experience to be a good leader but not the temperament
yup, cookie.
Was that an amtrak conductor who introduced Biden?
Ringo Starr?
I think Jill Biden and I have the same scarf--from JCrew, 20% off.
Oh snap...I'm missing the SUPERTRAIN inauguration?
Probably didn't want to sell something like they had to just anyone. No offense.
20żO9
Could be, but I don't think it was us so much, since they never met us.
It's hard to part with a nice house, tho, that part is certainly true.
interesting character. Had the experience to be a good leader but not the temperament
Looked good in a hoop dress.
Criswell Predicts: The troll splooge is going to be really annoying.
steve simels
You should've been here last night/early this morning..
Jeez...
If the house was really special, try doing some research on it and then make another offer.
I thought MBNA would be written in Biden's heart.
"Looked good in a hoop dress."
Myth
"Spring is on the way with this new Administration!" - Joltin' Joe Biden
Here, here...
If the house was really special, try doing some research on it and then make another offer.
20żO9
It was a long time ago.
HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, N.J. - Three New Jersey siblings whose names have Nazi connotations have been placed in the custody of the state, police said Wednesday.
Holland Township Police Sgt. John Harris said workers from the state Division of Youth and Family Services removed 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell and his younger sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, from their home Tuesday.
Little Adolf will be renamed "Benito Mussolini Campbell."
Breaking: I did not get a pardon from Bush.
MBNA ceased to exist quite a while ago.
Don't tell Vicki I was here. GO STILLERS!
Afternoon, Moonbats!
can't we get the legal transfer of power DONE.
I'm totally freaked about how close we are yet ..
..
Oh snap...I'm missing the SUPERTRAIN inauguration?
If AMTRAK were really a SUPERTRAIN, it wouldn't take me 13 hours to get to DC tomorrow.
My neighborhood. The Bog District.
NTodd, PaxLive
It's like Google Shire
"Looked good in a hoop dress."
Myth
Uncle Blodge, MTC
Next you'll try to tell us J. Edgar Hoover wasn't gai.
rootless beats me to it. or maybe there's something about football that i don't really understand. there does seem to be a lot of man-on-man ass grabbing, i've noted.
Let them know that you'll take it from their loving embrace and cherish it as they have done all these years.
"Looked good in a hoop dress."
Myth
No, really, he had nice legs. Which makes that apocryphal story more believable.
Railroads revolutionized warfare in ways that don't get the attention. War isn't just about killing the other guy. It's about mobilizing resources in huge amounts to kill the other guy.
Railroads allowed this to be done on scales never before seen.
So railroad investment was to increase war fighting capability.
"Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics"
If AMTRAK were really a SUPERTRAIN, it wouldn't take me 13 hours to get to DC tomorrow.
13 hours? Man alive. It took me 27 to get from MSP to NYC.
A little east of my neighborhood, taking the depressing Charlotte Pike, land of check-cashing businesses and pawn shops.
.
It's like Google Shire...
There are Orcs in VT. I went to high school with quite a few of them...
I listened to the Chimp's final radio address. Glenzilla called him exactly a few years ago. Complete Manichean world view. And, stupid and delusional, to boot. "If America doesn't defend freedom, it will go undefended." I am sure glad to see that asshat go.
Hiking the ball thru yer legs to the quarterback's hands right by your ass is pretty suggestive
Delawarians? Delawarites?
If AMTRAK were really a SUPERTRAIN, it wouldn't take me 13 hours to get to DC tomorrow.
NTodd, DC-bound
As you no doubt know, it's a minor miracle Amtrak still exists at all, given concerted Repub efforts to get rid of it, at least since '94 and Newt Gingrich.
And also as you no doubt know, Amtrak owns only rolling stock, and it is the condition of the track that mostly limits speed.
It's like Google Shire
Sadly, the Green Dragon burned down on Yule's Eve.
Delawarts! Sure am glad not to be Secret Service guarding them now.
I'm a Tupperwarian, myself.
Joe just introduced Barack and Michelle.
Happy Birthday, MIchelle!
Don't tell Vicki I was here. GO STILLERS!
Monroeville Mike
Why not come back under your previous name, and stay awhile? I miss our football conversations.. sniff...
Of course, you'd have to nix the p***y comments. It's just not nice...
Being from Hawaii, I bet Obama suffers more from cold than others.
13 hours? Man alive. It took me 27 to get from MSP to NYC.
Yeah, it's a shitty route. But with the exception of a couple hours in the VT hinterlands, I get good cell reception so I can be online.
crowd singing happy bday to michelle.
cool!
13 hours? Man alive. It took me 27 to get from MSP to NYC.
AndyMN, shovel-ready
What'd ya do? Walk??
If a German tried to display a "heritage flag" in the form of the swastika, he'd be put in jail.
No way! OK, of course, you shouldn't get confused about the politically correct heritage...
http://flagspot.net/flags/de1871.html
Probably didn't want to sell something like they had to just anyone. No offense.
20żO9
Could be, but I don't think it was us so much, since they never met us.
It's hard to part with a nice house, tho, that part is certainly true.
Adam Hominem | 01.17.09 - 12:51 pm | #
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Um, do you see a contradiction in what I wrote and intuited and what you wrote?
rootless beats me to it. or maybe there's something about football that i don't really understand. there does seem to be a lot of man-on-man ass grabbing, i've noted.
chicago dyke, ungeeked | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 12:54 pm | #
Big muscular MEN. No pussies.
Oh well, each to his or her taste, I guess.
blodge haz male.
ql, he spent years in Chicago, that is a cure for warm weather
Chicago is not for the afeared of cold.
Delawarians? Delawarites?
Neponset
Delawarese.
"Next you'll try to tell us J. Edgar Hoover wasn't gai."
nah that one's true
Davis was wearing a shawl of some sort when captured but the dress thing is a myth spread by his enemies is the best guess
Happy Birthday, MIchelle!
He took her out for her birthday dinner the other night.
My future area:
http://www.stanneshill.org/main.shtml
Farkin' HaloScan!
they all look very cold, not very cool
Goddamnit, none of these people are wearing hats. Obama better not get sick.
Can't talk football smack without saying PUSSY. Get over it!
Even the mikes are bundled up!
yeh, yeh, I know about wind.
Was Della Reese from Delaware?
Farkin' HaloScan!
plantsman
Not just a piece of shit, it's the whole turd!
I think the timing is right for the release of the "Whitey Tape".
C'mon, Flowbee...don't let me down!
He took her out for her birthday dinner the other night.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
But they missed Dumbya's parting speech.
Obama better not get sick.
He should go to a diner and order some orange juice.
Maybe cold is the new cool...
Can't talk football smack without saying PUSSY. Get over it!
Monroeville Mike
Gomez, Gomez, Gomez...Tsk..
Della Reese was from Heaven.
Can't talk football smack without saying PUSSY. Get over it!
Monroeville Mike
Gomez is apparently trolling himself.
Odd, that.
Can't say I didn't warn you, Gomez..
"He should go to a diner and order some orange juice."
Obama better not get sick.
He should go to a diner and order some orange juice.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Then go bowling!
Goddamnit, none of these people are wearing hats. Obama better not get sick.
ql
Shades of William Henry Harrison!
Since we're talking Delaware:
What did Della wear?
She wore a new jersey.
Old, but good.
Those icicles look wicked, Hecate!
Gomez is apparently trolling himself.
He's still evolved as always.
Gomez is apparently trolling himself.
Odd, that.
Adam Hominem
Perhaps a nervous breakdown.
"I think the timing is right for the release of the "Whitey Tape"."
And not to late to show the real birth certificate! But I guess the PUMAs are still looking for it...
yes, we can!
shooz.
Gomez is apparently trolling himself.
Odd, that.
Adam Hominem
Well, he refuses to come back under his original moniker...
Obama better not get sick.
He should go to a diner and order some orange juice.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Then go bowling!
A nice big argula salad for roughage!
I went to the grocery store and the bakery today. There are Obama cupcakes at the bakery and there was Obama hot sauce at the grocery store. Lots of flags everywhere. I'm starting to think we might just pull this off.
A nice big argula salad for roughage!
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 01.17.09 - 1:03 pm | #
You sure you ain't gay? I thought all you "burly hetero male types" only ate iceberg lettuce in your salads.
Billy b still doesn't know football smack.
What? I can't talk smack back?
Here in Seattle, instead of 3 story walkups, we now get 3 story townhouses that have a very tiny footprint and a garage.
In my little flyover red-state city: Bars have strict restrictions against being closer than X to schools (and possibly residences; I forget). Stores aren't allowed in residential neighborhoods; not even convenience stores that might spring up and resemble NYC corner-stores (Korean markets, bodegas, etc). Restaurants aren't allowed in residential areas. Business-oriented office buildings are restricted.
In bigger western cities (like Salt Lake or Vegas or Denver), each mile beyond the core city is nowadays turned into a residential or (rarely) specialized-use block (gravel mining pit, golf course, country club) with each corner having a large (several acres) plaza of strip-mall structures, supermarkets, gas stations, offices and convenience stores. Thus, it is vaguely possible to walk a mile in each direction to get to the nearest commercial area; it gives one the dimmest taste of city life, but anything less isn't allowed.
And then there are, as Atrios said, the issues of density, lot coverage, allowed number of floors or apartments, layering residences upstairs from storefronts, civic space and commons/park structures, pedestrian and bike friendly paths (up north where I live, nobody gives a rat's ass about walkability on arterial roads despite a foot or more of snow being pushed onto the sidewalks *REGULARLY* in winter). Yet it seems nobody in my town realizes this. There's a riverfront development that is being built. The planners prattle endlessly about multiple use and apartments (rented and ownership type), having a mix of stores and office space and residential space... and yet the damn development looks like sprawl. Loop roads and byzantine parking lots and meandering sidewalks that never come close to connecting key areas in straight lines... they follow the roads AROUND the parking lots. It's all the right words and all the plans, but done by someone that didn't grok the concept.
Remember that google-map 'walkscore' mashup? My home's walkscore is 12. And even that is due to a mistake: some guy that lives half a mile north of me gets miscategorized as a grocery store. Otherwise, the only thing within walking distance to my house is a fire station a hundred yards away or so...
Having lived in suburbia, small towns and a dense-population older city (Burlington, VT), this misguided sprawl-minded shit just makes me
crazy.
Kudos, Atrios & Matt Y.
Atrios' "bottom line" is exactly right. In most cities (and suburbs), walkable, diverse neighborhoods violate zoning codes. In my city, if you want to live like that, you need to find a house in an existing neighborhood (most of which are 90 or so years old), or a new "Planned Unit Development," which requires special approval by the Plan Commission, the Urban Design Commission, and the City Council. When we bought our house (90 years old, in a streetcar-suburb neighborhood), I was warned that our house was "nonconforming." We bought it anyway, but if it burns down, I don't think we can rebuild.
But if you try to change the rules to allow these choices, right-wingers complain that you're trying to force people to adopt an alien lifestyle. Evidently choice is coercion.
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