I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
mccanus!
Impeach them all and send them to the Hague for a fair trial before incarceration for life
MCCain/Goiter '08!
''I'm calling you a f------ jerk!'' he once retorted to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley.
Frapping?
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thr...om/thread/
12856
enjoying himself some schadenfruede... and you can too!
he has to get big time's respect
Well, he was right about these remarks.
my cult's memo didn't arrive today, is it ablutions or animal sacrifices today?
Maverick!
How uncivil.
Huggy Bear is vulgar.
It's fairly amazing that this is getting press.
''Only an a------ would put together a budget like this,'' he told the former Budget Committee chairman, Sen. Pete Domenici, in 1999.
He's angry, and he's not very good with insults.
Asshole? Budget? Lame.
So I could run for President?
I read that you met Bob Graham and got a nice letter from his wife. Good for you! 
madamab
Yep. She's e-mailed me twice today already. I think she likes me. 
his "macaca" moment is coming.
heh heh heh.
How uncivil.
Huggy Bear is vulgar.
Sinfonian, spanning Teh Wang™ | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 11:14 am
Are you trying to make me imagine the language used in the middle of the clench?
So I could run for President?
Fuck that bull crap!
There's a very very very small part of me that feels sorry for mccanus... having to vote FOR torture this week - his explanation was tortured to say the least but that's probably not the most disgusting thing he was forced to embrace this week... karl rove the guy who push polled him out of the running in 2000 who raised the spectre of his being the manchurian candidate and other ridiculous charges only wingtards could take seriously...
"Com'on John! Give him a big fat man hug! You know how don't you? Hug karl rove. Mmmmmmmmmmmm!
Ooooh....McCaca!
He called Grassley, of all people, a fucking jerk?
Wow.
He's angry, and he's not very good with insults.
Asshole? Budget? Lame.
[clears throat]
Only an puke-brained bean-rapist would put together a fucktarded budget like this.
as a siting US Senator, Bob Graham knew about torture, knew about illegal wiretapping, and said nothing. nothing.
The profanity ticket.
McCain/Cheney 08
Its Better With Age
my cult's memo didn't arrive today, is it ablutions or animal sacrifices today?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 02.16.08 - 11:13 am
Fiery offerings from the roofdeck!
Yep. She's e-mailed me twice today already. I think she likes me.
I hear she likes to play Scrabble...
my cult's memo didn't arrive today, is it ablutions or animal sacrifices today?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Sometimes it's not a memo--sometimes they leave a sign in the sky.
k-lo is really scared about the fisa update expiring.
''F--- you,''
What point does the "---" serve? It's ridiculous.
Are you trying to make me imagine the language used in the middle of the clench?
Tom - 大肚腩
"Take me, Dubya. Take me now."
Only an puke-brained bean-rapist would put together a fucktarded budget like this.
NTodd
Got my vote.
Only an puke-brained bean-rapist would put together a fucktarded budget like this.
NTodd, Löving Führer
I think you'd make a fine Republican candidate.
oh my. how uncivil! i want someone to restore dignatude, and it just can't be mccain.
that's it - I was calling him McMaverick, but now it's gonna be McCaca in anticipation of the time he loses his temper in the Preznitial debates.
heh heh. heh heh heh.
Push Mccain enough and he may lose it in public. During his campaign in 2000 didn't he cuss at a reporter and it was all over the news?
I hear she likes to play Scrabble...
NTodd, Löving Führer
Yeah, yeah ... all right, I'll go play it and offend everyone here in my meeting.
k-lo is really scared about the fisa update expiring.
P O'Neill
It really is all about fear for them, isn't it?
Comes from growing up sheltered, I expect.
"my cult's memo didn't arrive today, is it ablutions or animal sacrifices today?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari"
neither. today you must make 600 phone calls, knock of 50 doors, and give $500.
animals are tomorrow..
k-lo is really scared about the fisa update expiring.
P O'Neill | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 11:16 am
why? does she have signint information being fed her on the whereabouts of pizza delivery boys?
During his campaign in 2000 didn't he cuss at a reporter and it was all over the news?
No, he fell off a stage while stretching out his arm.
And isn't this just wonderful? If you EVER needed a reason to NEVER vote Republican, this would probably do it (if you can read and think and all)
Baxter makes roughly half of the United States supply of heparin, which is used widely for surgical and dialysis patients. Problems with Baxter’s heparin were first noticed late last year when four children undergoing dialysis in Missouri had severe allergic reactions minutes after being injected with the drug.
The F.D.A. then allowed Baxter to deliver heparin that it was in the midst of shipping, for fear that a total recall would lead to a shortage of the drug, but cautioned doctors to use as little of it as possible and to administer it very slowly.
What point does the "---" serve? It's ridiculous.
Moe Szyslak
teh children. they have very delicate eyeballs.
Preznitial debates
Given Mitt's "whisper" and W's backwire, the Dem's really need to invest in some frequency jamming devices to use during the debates.
Obviously, Senator McCain can't control himself when he's on the ra--
Oh, never mind.
McCain has a temper?
Telling people to fuck off and calling Grassley an asshole would be normal behavior for the people I hang out with.
That being said, if Buick McCain can't keep his shit together un public that's a whole 'nother thang.
To be perfectly honest, I can't say I blame McCain. My general reaction to hearing Cornyn speak is "Fuck you," Domenici IS an asshole (just ask David Iglesias), and Grassley is a fucking jerk.
Yeah, yeah ... all right, I'll go play it and offend everyone here in my meeting.
What, you're blogging. You can't put down a bingo?
Cussing and swearing is so manly.
/villagers swooning
Given Mitt's "whisper" and W's backwire, the Dem's really need to invest in some frequency jamming devices to use during the debates.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed! | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 11:19 am
I've got a supplier bookmarked, if you're actually interested.
Just as you and I have done.
Adam Hominem | 02.16.08 - 11:12 am | #
I'm sure that perfectly smart and well intentioned people support Hillary over Obama and they may even be right.
However, the dismissive patronizing tone of people who don't know what the IAF is, or have never examined the case list of Barnhill, Minor, or read Obama's book, or apparently even listened to his speeches, but who explain that his support rests on ignorance, is exceptionally irritating.
Hanoi John has been testy ever since the money from Charles Keating stopped flowing into his bulging pockets.
Given Mitt's "whisper" and W's backwire, the Dem's really need to invest in some frequency jamming devices to use during the debates.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed!
Capital suggestion. They really really should.
all right, must go. later, bats and battistas!
Pottymouth.
Once they get McCain drugged up in the White House he won't have any outburst issues, especially the way they screen the audiences now.
Hanoi John has been testy ever since the money from Charles Keating stopped flowing into his bulging pockets.
Ewwww.
Does he have a temper or does he have mood swings?
.
Does he kiss Chimpy with that mouth?
During his campaign in 2000 didn't he cuss at a reporter and it was all over the news?
He should keep cussing so he can give Tweety a four-hour boner.
Charlie Keating.
Don Bolles.
My respect for McCain just went up a notch.
Anybody who says Fuck You to Senator Cornhole is doing something right.
I would still never vote for him.
However, the dismissive patronizing tone of people who don't know what the IAF is, or have never examined the case list of Barnhill, Minor, or read Obama's book, or apparently even listened to his speeches, but who explain that his support rests on ignorance, is exceptionally irritating.
rootless-e
If I'm dismissive and patronizing, please let me know. I don't mean to be. I'm only speaking from my own soapbox, which is as always teetering and full of holes.
In a way, we're all predicting the future--a future with Hillary or Barack, and that is always a dangerous thing.
And I've always said, and reiterate, I will gladly pull the lever for whomever the candidate is.
Derrick. Z. Jackson:
McCain drops the torture ball
JOHN MCCAIN this week had a choice between his principles and propping up a failed president. He chose the latter.
but hillary cackles, and obama says nothing...we'll spend WAY more time on those than swearing intolerant old white men and their asshole warmongering fetish
Does he kiss Chimpy with that mouth?
Sinfonian, spanning Teh Wang™ | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 11:22 am
McCain doesn't have Bandar Bush's money.
(insert link to NToddler's photo montage of Bandar Bush)
(see the story today about McCain suggesting it's wrong of Obama not to take public funding. can you say real fear, K Lo?)
New research suggests that margaritas are always a good idea at the time.
Ooow.
jane hamsher says st john the tortured shoots botox.
"but hillary cackles,"
you forgot that her clapping is chinese.
I will gladly pull the lever for whomever the candidate is.
Even Fartpuke McGigglestein?
jane hamsher says st john the tortured shoots botox.
nona
That explains the goiter
Uh-oh. This could be fun.
Arizona Rep. Shadegg Re-thinks Retirement Amid GOP Pleas
If I'm dismissive and patronizing, please let me know. I don't mean to be.
Adam Hominem | 02.16.08 - 11:23 am
Remember that you're chatting with a guy who barged in here declaring that we all had to learn from Ron Paul, so the dismissive and patronizing may not be so far off the mark.
i haven't seen any polls in at least 12 hours.
i'm jonesing..
Even Fartpuke McGigglestein?
NTodd, Löving Führer
God help us if he's the Dem, yes I will.
Hell, I'll even vote for Al Gore, and I think I've made my feelings about him pretty clear.
Exactly, it doesn't mean he can't be right sometimes.
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/ucl...r_uc/
tr20080214
ted rall's take on st mccanus
''F--- you,'' he shouted at Texas Sen. John Cornyn last year.
He shoulda said, "F--- you and your f---ing turtle, too."
Broderella will no doubt find this an admirable trait that the good people of the heartland want to see in their President.
OT-ish.
What is it with Creationists and fruit?
Bananas, coconuts, now oranges
Cue Monty Python.
I gotta go do some snooping around a construction site. Too cold for this, but what the hell. See ya'all later.
''Only an a------ would put together a budget like this,'' he told the former Budget Committee chairman, Sen. Pete Domenici, in 1999.
But my PJs are the finest quality, responded Senator Domenici.
Bandar Bush is in big trouble.
He went to Tony Blair and got him to back off a bribery investigation involving arms to Saudi Arabia.
Bandar Bush reportedly made a million pounds himself on the deal.
Bandar threatened Blair with another terrorist attack on London.
Blair backed down and cancelled the investigation, citing national security.
National security sure comes in handy when you're trying to cover up crimes.
i haven't seen any polls in at least 12 hours.
i'm jonesing..
Hang in there, it's another primary today.
Broder's Unity Party A-Team
John McCain/Zell Miller 08
McCain/Cheney '08
"Go Fuck Yourself, America!"
i haven't seen any polls in at least 12 hours.
i'm jonesing..
Heh. That's what led me to Eschaton in the first place, Summer of '04.
I gotta go do some snooping around a construction site.
Moe Szyslak
Do not enter site without permission, and preferably a native guide.
There are real reasons for this.
I was listening to Horizon, our Phoenix based PBS station's public affairs program and they suggested that the Shaddig retirement was in anticipation of being named to replace McCain should he resign from the Senate to pursue the Presidency ala Bob Dole. Now, everyone is backing away a bit.
McCain/Cheney '08
"Go Fuck Yourself, America!"
Sinfonian, spanning Teh Wang™
"What is it with Creationists and fruit?
Bananas, coconuts, now oranges"
The power of that man's message has driven me to run downstairs and grab a glass of Orange Juice.
Why would anyone trust Joh McCain's judgement. He voted for Bush - twice!
read this about shadegg. shagadelic, ba-beeeee:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_NUZ_fM-T...0-h/
Shadegg.png
and this:
http://
downwithtyranny.blogspot....republican.html
National security sure comes in handy when you're trying to cover up crimes.
The poodle learned from his master.
sha-doo-bee, shadegg, shadegg ...
shooting satellite from sky: $60 million dollars
"no sir, i didn't see you playing with your dolls"
/spaceballs
Bandar threatened Blair with another terrorist attack on London.
Blair backed down and cancelled the investigation, citing national security.
National security sure comes in handy when you're trying to cover up crimes.
Tom3
all good stories deserve a link!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...5/
bae.armstrade
McGook campaigns with Macaca
the true face of the goopers
Why would anyone trust Joh McCain's judgement. He voted for Bush - twice!
The Dancing Kid
'Cause he was a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution?
Anyone catch McConnell on NPR yesterday? Not my execrable senator, the intel dood.
He said that the Senate had decided that no laws were broken, so the House should get over it and pass the FISA bill.
What does he think the judiciary branch is for?
WASHINGTON — The order by President Bush for the Navy to launch an antimissile interceptor to destroy a disabled satellite before it falls from orbit carries opportunity, but also potential embarrassment, for the administration and advocates of its missile defense program.
The decision was described by senior officials as designed solely to protect populated areas from space debris, and not to showcase how the emerging missile defense arsenal could be reprogrammed to counter an unexpected threat: in this case hazardous rocket fuel aboard the dead satellite.
Even so, the attempt, expected within the next two weeks, will again throw into sharp relief the administration’s antipathy to treaties limiting antisatellite weapons, which puts the United States opposite China and Russia, which just this week proposed a new pact banning space weapons.
Limit OUR warmongering, how dare you! we'll blast some shit out of the sky for that!
I rather doubt Donna Edwards would appreciate this characterization of her win. Doubtful She would not want to be the face of threats to Maxine Waters or Stephanie Tubbs Jones
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trai...l#comment-
35686
The power of that man's message has driven me to run downstairs and grab a glass of Orange Juice.
The oranges what made that juice are somebody's dog's father.
Have a little respect!
John McCain was a footsoldier in the McKinley Revolution ...
http://www.bostonherald.com/blog...briefing/?
p=161
McCains top 10
He said that the Senate had decided that no laws were broken, so the House should get over it and pass the FISA bill.
What does he think the judiciary branch is for?
Willendorf Venus
It's now part of the unitary executive. After all, Scalia said it's okay to torture people if you get evidence they were gonna kill lots of people. Or if you just think they have evidence about killing lots of people.
All your laws are belong to us.
'His irascibility fits with McCain's proud image as a straight talker willing to say what people don't want to hear.'
Tweety is about to fall in love all over again.
Syria Denies Joint Iran Investigation
DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — Syria denied Iranian claims that the two countries would conduct a joint investigation into the assassination of a top Hezbollah commander, the Syrian state news agency reported.
Imad Mughniyeh, who was one of the world's most wanted fugitives, was killed in a car bomb in the Syrian capital Tuesday night. He was accused of masterminding attacks that killed hundreds of Americans in Lebanon in the 1980s.
Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Reza Sheik Attar announced the joint probe on Friday, according to Iran's official news agency.
But a Syrian official dismissed the report as "totally baseless" and said Damascus would conduct the investigation alone, Syria's state-run news agency reported late Friday.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALe...7I_R-
QD8URE1P80
Poor Hezbollah.
-
Dumbya: "Wal, Ah'll be dogged. They got nigras in Africa, too."
John McCain was a footsoldier in the McKinley Revolution ...
Sinfonian
McCain wa a fotsoldier in the American Revolution.
We just don't know which side....
McCains top 10
he's so maverick!
Ooooh, I forgot that Northwest Airlines is still on the hook for a $400 million loan that Minnesota gave them.
They really want to merge with Delta that badly?
WASHINGTON — The order by President Bush for the Navy to launch an antimissile interceptor to destroy a disabled satellite before it falls from orbit carries opportunity, but also potential embarrassment, for the administration and advocates of its missile defense program.
Like the Patriot missiles in Iraq, there won't be any pictures and we'll be assured everything worked.
All evidence the satellite fell to earth will be either classified or palmed off as some other space debris. By the time the truth is known, the lie will be set in stone and many contracts will have been awarded.
Just like the Patriot Missiles.
What does he think the judiciary branch is for?
Willendorf Venus
So the House is simply a rubberstamp for the Senate, which as we all know is already simply a rubberstamp for the Executive?
Is this really what the Founders had in mind??
It's now part of the unitary executive. After all, Scalia said it's okay to torture people if you get evidence they were gonna kill lots of people. Or if you just think they have evidence about killing lots of people.
Listening to Scalia make those remarks made me sick. How anyone respects his sorry ass is a puzzle. What an awful man.
"The oranges what made that juice are somebody's dog's father.
Have a little respect!
bloggus"
Nah, no problem. My cat said it was cool.
The Lebanese newspaper A-Safir reported Saturday that the Lebanon-based guerilla group Hezbollah has deployed 50,000 "activists" along the southern border with Israel and declared a state of high alert in southern Lebanon.
According to the report, the organization has also evacuated all buildings in the area designated for social or political purposes in recent days, in preparation for a confrontation with Israel in the wake of the assassination of Hezbollah terror chief Imad Mughniyah.
looks like the IDF is gonna get their asses handed to them. again.
Didn't "Big Time" throw a huge fit when the Chinese shot down one of their satellites?
'His irascibility fits with McCain's proud image as a straight talker willing to say what people don't want to hear.'
Well, then, if he says "f*ck!" one more time, he's gonna get Thers's support.
Ooooh, I forgot that Northwest Airlines is still on the hook for a $400 million loan that Minnesota gave them.
Zap Rowsdower
They'll just walk away from it, just like they did from their committment to build a 250 million dollar maintenance facility up Nort', in exchange for a State loan.
Or if you just think they have evidence about killing lots of people.
.. or if you can keep a straight face while telling the public that someone you spoke to once said that *they* thought that the torturee might know someone who was related to someone who might have evidence that someone else onc thought about killing lots of people.
I DIDN'T LEAVE TWO BUDDIES FACE DOWN IN THE MUD IN NAM SO JOHN MCCAIN COULD BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE US!!!!!!
Is this really what the Founders had in mind??
Adam Hominem
9/11 changed everything.
I was about to make a joke about McCain being the candidate that can finally represent and inspire my Grandfather.
Then I realized I had to modify that to his representing my Father.
Age sort of creeps up on you in mysterious ways.
My cat said it was cool.
Cats are related to peaches -- I believe Darwin said that.
Dumbya: "Wal, Ah'll be dogged. They got nigras in Africa, too.
Lime Rickey, you do remember when W asked the President of Brazil if they had a lot of black people in his country?
But what's really important (according to the MCM) is what Hanoi Jane said on the Today Show ...
looks like the IDF is gonna get their asses handed to them. again.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Sweet Jesus, woman, have you ever heard of wishful thinking?
As far as the missiles, haven't the majority of tests of that technology (blasting stuff in space) failed miserably?
They'll just walk away from it, just like they did from their committment to build a 250 million dollar maintenance facility up Nort', in exchange for a State loan.
Fucking Al Checci. Biggest fraud in the world.
.. or if you can keep a straight face while telling the public that someone you spoke to once said that *they* thought that the torturee might know someone who was related to someone who might have evidence that someone else onc thought about killing lots of people.
JR, kerosene and a match
Sounds like probable cause to me! You get the board, I'll get the water!
"Cats are related to peaches -- I believe Darwin said that."
That would make sense, they are fuzzier than dogs.
looks like the IDF is gonna get their asses handed to them. again.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
If trashing half of southern Lebanon to no good effect = getting your ass handed to you, I guess they are. If you ask me, it's the Lebanese people who are going to get it, not the IDF.
Lime Rickey, you do remember when W asked the President of Brazil if they had a lot of black people in his country?
Karin
I think Dan Quayle mighta been a more coherent president.
Lime Rickey, you do remember when W asked the President of Brazil if they had a lot of black people in his country?
Karin
Who could forget?
Didn't "Big Time" throw a huge fit when the Chinese shot down one of their satellites?
There's speculation that this "crisis" is just an excuse to do the same...
Fucking Al Checci. Biggest fraud in the world.
Zap Rowsdower
Yep. A leveraged buyout king, may he rot in hell.
If you ask me, it's the Lebanese people who are going to get it, not the IDF.
In military actions the IDF did get their arses handed to them.
And it was Isreal's incursion into Lebanon that fucked the Lebanese civilians.
As far as the missiles, haven't the majority of tests of that technology (blasting stuff in space) failed miserably?
Missile defense as currently not working is all about missing things with special beacons in atmo.
There's speculation that this "crisis" is just an excuse to do the same...
NTodd, Löving Führer
Don't forget there's Nazis behind the Moon.
9/11 changed everything.
I remember e-mailing a friend in the ddays after 9/11 that I knew things would get back to normal, eventually. She, vastly more insightful than I, said things would never be the same again.
Didn't "Big Time" throw a huge fit when the Chinese shot down one of their satellites?
There's speculation that this "crisis" is just an excuse to do the same...
NTodd, Löving Führer
Except when the Chinese do it, it's a threat.
When we do it, it's national security.
And, I'm quite serious: we'll be told it worked, just like we were told the Patriots worked. The evidence that they didn't came out much later, when no one was listening.
Same thing'll happen this time.
Don't forget there's Nazis behind the Moon.
I never. EVER. Forget.
"'His irascibility fits with McCain's proud image as a straight talker willing to say what people don't want to hear.'"
And that would be "fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you."
I was in the Navy, so I can clearly imagine the stream of invective that could issue forth.
And it was Isreal's incursion into Lebanon that fucked the Lebanese civilians.
don't be silly, the people of Lebanon love love love cluster bombs, especially when they are paid for by the US taxpayers.
Don't forget there's Nazis behind the Moon.
Gomez
Have they moved from the south pole?
And, I'm quite serious: we'll be told it worked, just like we were told the Patriots worked.
They did until the Super Bowl.
In military actions the IDF did get their arses handed to them.
And it was Isreal's incursion into Lebanon that fucked the Lebanese civilians.
JR, kerosene and a match
How many IDF soldiers were killed or captured? And of course it was Israel's incursion that trashed southern Lebanon. That was implied in what I said.
at the time, i worked at a think tank whose director was a longtime friend of lula's. he confirmed that story about bush's comment.
And, I'm quite serious: we'll be told it worked, just like we were told the Patriots worked.
The Patriots just go up and tape the satellite.
Missile defense as currently not working is all about missing things with special beacons in atmo.
Unfair. Everyone knows that in a real crisis the targets won't have those confusing homing beacons on them. It'll be a piece o' cake then.
In military actions the IDF did get their arses handed to them.
And it was Isreal's incursion into Lebanon that fucked the Lebanese civilians.
JR, kerosene and a match
While you proudly use rhetoric like "getting their asses handed to them", let's try to not forget what lies behind those fine words: thousands and thousands of deaths. Mostly on the part of Lebanese civilians, and partly on the part of Hexbollah types, and rarely, very rarely on the part of soldiers from Israel.
Like blerb said, if that's your idea of getting their ass handed to them, you're first, a bloodthirsty sob and second, uh, wrong.
Same thing'll happen this time.
Oh, yeah. I'm quite sure of it.
It's not odd that we haven't heard a 'good' rationale for doing this. Just sounds like some very expensive dick waving.
The Patriot missles are 18-1 in accuracy this year.
And of course it was Israel's incursion that trashed southern Lebanon. That was implied in what I said.
blerb
The point was that the Isrealis weren't (supposedly) attacking Lebanon (the state thereof).
The wife and two of Mr Fayed's children were killed in the blast, Palestinian medics said.
The death toll is expected to rise as there are reported to be people still trapped under the debris. Emergency services say the rescue operation will go on through the night.
Abu Ahmed, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad's armed wing, told Reuters news agency that the group would avenge "this Zionist massacre" and "strike the enemy everywhere".
Israel has been responding to rocket fire from Gaza with tough military action. In less than three months more than 150 Palestinians - mainly militants - have been killed.
Bureij is the smallest but most densely populated of eight refugee camps in the Gaza Strip.
Have they moved from the south pole?
Fascicles?
Is it true that McCain called himself a war criminal on Sixty Minutes in 1997?
we'll be told it worked, just like we were told the Patriots worked.
Absolutely.
It's just more security theater.
Missile defense as currently not working is all about missing things with special beacons in atmo.
NTodd, Löving Führer
It's stuff like this that explains why we all put up with NTodd's ubiquitous intemperate language.
Mostly on the part of Lebanese civilians, and partly on the part of Hexbollah types, and rarely, very rarely on the part of soldiers from Israel.
it's the anti-k&y!
If we get both of them on the same thread, will the blogosphere implode?
Bush, Sr. is a war criminal too.
He strafed a lifeboat in WW2.
What it looks like to me is that the IDF will turn half of southern Lebanon into a smoking ruin and not change anything about Isreal's strategic position in the process. Many innocent Lebanese will die, some of them little children. How that scenarioa can be spun as a victory for either side is a mystery to me. It is a senseless and tragic blootbath, nothing else.
don't be silly, the people of Lebanon love love love cluster bombs, especially when they are paid for by the US taxpayers.
iirc, we had to send them a rush shipment when they ran low.
Have they moved from the south pole?
Global warming drove them out.
what part of "Hezbollah handed the IDF their asses to them" is hard for you to understand, Adam?
The Patriot missles are 18-1 in accuracy this year.
Gomez
Too bad about that 1.
Is it true that McCain called himself a war criminal on Sixty Minutes in 1997?
iirc, it was Bob Kerrey.
ASSHOLE / FUCKING JERK 2008!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush, Sr. is a war criminal too.
He strafed a lifeboat in WW2.
Don't forget, he bailed out of his plane, only to leave his 2 crewman to die without him.
They came in and trashed the place.
And it wasn't their place.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080..._el_pr/
mccain_6
:::Republican Sen. John McCain admonished Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for hedging on his promise to accept public funding if he wins his party's nomination or use his prolific fundraising operation.
...
McCain earlier this week turned down government matching funds for the primary to free him to spend more money as he prepares for a general election contest.
Last summer, McCain had asked to participate in the public system when his campaign, his fundraising and his poll numbers hit a low point that threatened to unravel his candidacy.
...
McCain would be the obvious beneficiary if he and Obama take the federal money for the general election because they would have to return money already collected. Obama has raised $6.1 million for the general, nearly three times as much as McCain's $2.2 million.:::
I'm not intemperate. I'm against Prohibition.
Nazis behind the Moon.
definitely the best Pink Floyd album
what part of "Hezbollah handed the IDF their asses to them" is hard for you to understand, Adam?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
The fact that it is only in a very narrow strategic sense true, I guess.
I'm not going to argue about the ME. There's truly no point.
what part of "Hezbollah handed the IDF their asses to them" is hard for you to understand, Adam?
The part where you explain what part of the IDF senselessly destroying half of Lebanon and then calling it a day when it failed to do any good for them constitutes getting their asses handed to them.
I'm not intemperate. I'm against Prohibition.
NTodd, Löving Führer
I understand that when William O. Douglas was asked why he didn't quit smoking he said he'd hate to be a slave to his will power.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...ayin-4-
mio.html
German tax evasion scam supposed to implicate dropouts of about 3.4bio€ (5.1 bio$).
McCain would be the obvious beneficiary if he and Obama take the federal money for the general election because they would have to return money already collected. Obama has raised $6.1 million for the general, nearly three times as much as McCain's $2.2 million.
Obama: What do you mean, WE agreed to take federal money in the general election, white man?
mean, I guess you could say we've had our ass handed to us in Iraq, too, but that's not the way I see that war, either.
We've had 8 years of magical thinking
The part where you explain what part of the IDF senselessly destroying half of Lebanon and then calling it a day when it failed to do any good for them constitutes getting their asses handed to them.
The Israelis seemed to think they got their asses handed to them. There was a lot of public anger and gov't panels looking into the "failure" of their military.
Obama: What do you mean, WE agreed to take federal money in the general election, white man?
Karin | 02.16.08 - 11:56 am
And the fact that McCain just pulled the ol' switcheroo of I was taking public funds for the primaries before I wasn't taking them.
Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States, according to the volume of searches on his name, as reported by Google Trends. In comparing the amount of search traffic on the top four presidential candidate's last names, Google Trends data shows "Obama" is searched on more than any other candidate. "Clinton" is a distant second.
Lehi, Utah (PRWEB) February 16, 2008 -- Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States, according to the volume of searches on his name, as reported by Google Trends.
In comparing the amount of search traffic on the top four presidential candidate's last names, Google Trends data shows "Obama" is searched on more than any other candidate. "Clinton" is a distant second
http://www.prweb.com/releases/
20...prweb701803.htm
The fact is, liberals are the ones who aren't civil, they use bad language and ask to be taken seriously. They should be taken seriously, as a threat to our way of life. They should be put in camps.
Many innocent Lebanese will die, some of them little children. How that scenarioa can be spun as a victory for either side is a mystery to me. It is a senseless and tragic blootbath, nothing else.
blerb
Can we just point out who invaded whom? Hezbollah weren't the ones straffing fleeing civilians.
And the fact that McCain just pulled the ol' switcheroo of I was taking public funds for the primaries before I wasn't taking them.
Tom - 大肚腩
Hypocrisy, thy very name is Republican.
No, no, no.
When a Democrat uses a salty expression, he or she is evil incarnate and unsuited to polite society (see Honda, Jane and c*.) When a Republican uses a salty expression (see Cheney, Dick and f*,) it shows they are manly men, regular guys you'd like to have a beer with.
Honestly, don't liberals understand anything?
mean, I guess you could say we've had our ass handed to us in Iraq, too, but that's not the way I see that war, either.
Oddly, we have had our asses handed to us. That's not mutually exclusive with murdering Iraqis--in fact, the two go hand-in-hand...
The Israelis seemed to think they got their asses handed to them. There was a lot of public anger and gov't panels looking into the "failure" of their military
Nobody plans for guerilla warfare though.
mean, I guess you could say we've had our ass handed to us in Iraq, too, but that's not the way I see that war, either.
we have 150,000+ troops in Iraq. how many IDF troops are currently in Lebanon?
Hey, the child molester who promised he'd never come back, is back!
I understand that when William O. Douglas was asked why he didn't quit smoking he said he'd hate to be a slave to his will power.
I think he stole that from Nietzsche.
Personally, I would like to thank Sen. McCain for his fifty years of swearing in public.
The fact is, liberals are the ones who aren't civil, they use bad language and ask to be taken seriously. They should be taken seriously, as a threat to our way of life. They should be put in camps.
Gary Ruppert
You'd LOVE to make us into soap, wouldn't you, NAZI pig.
Go fuck yourself, Ruppert.
McCain would also benefit from $125 million Ari Fleischer is holding on to to use against the Dem nominee.
"According to the current search data on Google Trends, the possibility of McCain beating out Obama in the 2008 General Election is next to impossible," Torkildson said.
From link above
Against my better judgment, I will try to referee this. Yes, Lebanon sustained terrible damage, and neither the Lebanese defense forces or Hezbollah could stop the Israelis from doing it, so in that sense they cannot be considered winners. But from the point of view of Israelis themselves, they widely consider that the IDF got their asses handed to them. It was a huge black eye to their supposed invincibility.
I understand that when William O. Douglas was asked why he didn't quit smoking he said he'd hate to be a slave to his will power.
Quit giving me excuses to have a cigarette.
(I won't, though)
The fact is, Bill Clinton is a child molestor.
McCain and Jane Fonda would be an interesting lineup on one of the bobblehead shows tomorrow.
The part where you explain what part of the IDF senselessly destroying half of Lebanon and then calling it a day when it failed to do any good for them constitutes getting their asses handed to them.
blerb
the part where the Isreali's weren't supposedly attacking Lewbanon's civilians. So "winning" against the wrong target doesn't fucking count.
Warning, analogy... if the US shoots a missile at that satellite, and hits a goose, was the mission "successful"?
The War is Over!
Oh, not that war, this one. HD DVD will surrender to the terrorists. Wave the white flag and give AQ free reign to distribute Osama porn to Jihadis everywhere!!11elevin!
we have 150,000+ troops in Iraq. how many IDF troops are currently in Lebanon?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
How's your kitchen, mrs. al-jafaari? Are you happy with it?
I have an acquaintance who got a bid for re-facing his small kitchen. 10 grand. I've been out of the field for a long time, but if that's what people are getting for that kind of job, I just might jump right back in.
The Israelis seemed to think they got their asses handed to them. There was a lot of public anger and gov't panels looking into the "failure" of their military.
Toonscribe
If they thought that, it's because they were stupid enough to think that sacking southern Lebanon for the 20th time had any chance of changing anything in the first place. I guess it's arhetorical point, but sending your army to rampage essentially unopposed in somebody else's country for no good reason and then bringing them home without anything they can point to as a victory is a strategic blunder but not a tactical defeat. "Having you ass handed to you" implies you army suffering actual damaging losses in the engagement. The IDF did not.
McCain and Jane Fonda would be an interesting lineup on one of the bobblehead shows tomorrow.
Tom3
Cage match!!
Nobody plans for guerilla warfare though.
It wasn't guerilla warfare -- Hezbollah had welprepared positions in southern Lebanon that held up the Israelis for days. That's what pissed Israelis off -- that Hezbollah stood up to them.
McCain would also benefit from $125 million Ari Fleischer is holding on to to use against the Dem nominee.
Yeah, there's that.
we have 150,000+ troops in Iraq. how many IDF troops are currently in Lebanon?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 02.16.08 - 11:59 am
GDumbya and friends are even more depraved and indifferent to human suffering than Olmert.
Also I thought Sadr was off taking night classes in order to further prepare for his real adversary, SCIRI.
If Barack agrees to restrict himself to public financing I will personally let him know he is a fool. He'll take a temporary political hit but that is all.
Warning, analogy... if the US shoots a missile at that satellite, and hits a goose, was the mission "successful"?
as far as the stockholders of Lockheed Martin and Loral are concerned, yes, most definitely.
I think he stole that from Nietzsche.
NTodd, Löving Führer
Really? Bummer!
Warning, analogy... if the US shoots a missile at that satellite, and hits a goose, was the mission "successful"?
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:01 pm
Should we be grateful that they've announced they won't shoot until after the Shuttle is out of the way?
If Barack agrees to restrict himself to public financing I will personally let him know he is a fool. He'll take a temporary political hit but that is all.
qlª
Are that many votes really going to switch in November over this issue? Is anybody really paying attention to it?
This will be a non-issue by the Texas primary, if not sooner.
Also I thought Sadr was off taking night classes in order to further prepare for his real adversary, SCIRI.
yeah, I read that too. he's in Qom, taking religious training so he can issue fatwas.
.Can we just point out who invaded whom? Hezbollah weren't the ones straffing fleeing civilians.
JR, kerosene and a match
I am not taking Israel's side in this. What the IDF did was reprehensible. But I think Hezbollah did a piss-poor job of defending southern Lebanon against that senseless rampage. They bravely ran away.
I think he stole that from Nietzsche.
NTodd, Löving Führer
Really? Bummer!
Adam Hominem
Just kidding. Freddy wrote stuff that his proto-fascist sister compiled into Der Wille Zur Macht (The Will To Power). I took a senior seminar on that loooong ago.
Sorry, I haven't been keeping up. What's SCIRI?
Obama won't restrict himself to public financing and considering how the Goopers have had the money advantage in the past, he would be a fool to play "on a level playing field" with those nazi bastards now.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/
20080...te_missile_dc_8
:::The United States will have the chance to shoot down a disabled U.S. spy satellite from next Wednesday, after the space shuttle Atlantis ends its current mission, a U.S. general said on Friday.
"The window will open when the shuttle is on the ground," said Army Lt. Gen. Carter Ham, director of operations for the Pentagon's Joint Staff.:::
Yes, the public was worried that GDumbya's morans were stupid enough to fire and blow the shuttle out of the sky.
yeah, I read that too. he's in Qom, taking religious training so he can issue fatwas.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
[checks ordination certificate] Damn! Wrong religion!
It'd be kewl to issue fatwas!
rmj - mccain is trying to make it an issue. But you're right, who else but political junkies know anything about it.
yeah, I read that too. he's in Qom, taking religious training so he can issue fatwas.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
More fatwas! By all means, more fatwas!
(I hope this doesn't fall under the heading of discussing the ME).
If Barack agrees to restrict himself to public financing I will personally let him know he is a fool. He'll take a temporary political hit but that is all.
He's not a fool, ql. And if he ever did think about doing something foolish, Michelle would straighten him out. He doesn't need us to tell him.
Having you ass handed to you" implies you army suffering actual damaging losses in the engagement. The IDF did not.
I guess you missed the news that month. read the Winograd report for an actual estimation of the losses the IDF incurred.
If you google "John McCain I am a war criminal," numerous references appear to an interview McCain did on 60 Minutes in 1997 in which he allegedly labeled himself a war criminal. However, I can't find any definitive proof of this. Anyone?
Yes, the public was worried that GDumbya's morans were stupid enough to fire and blow the shuttle out of the sky.
If they did, they'd have hit the trifecta!
The United States will have the chance to shoot down a disabled U.S. spy satellite from next Wednesday, after the space shuttle Atlantis ends its current mission, a U.S. general said on Friday.
Pshaw. They'll just blow it up on the tarmac at Johnson.
I think it's going to work out really well when we miss the satellite but the missile comes down on Moscow.
I will religiously follow any fatwas rmj issues.
Yes, the public was worried that GDumbya's morans were stupid enough to fire and blow the shuttle out of the sky.
Tom - 大肚腩
or...such is the confidence in the blazing accuracy of their missile.
Space is pretty damned big, ya know....
The memo about McCain seemed calculated to get Dem/Ind votes. "Scuffle" w/Strom Thurmon? Dissing Mitch McConnell & the Religious Right?
You go girl! But you are still a warmongering mofo.
The fact is, Tom Foley-R is a child molestor.
Gary Ruppert
flouted your tongueing
funny about all the repressed repukkkes who like to secretly fuck boys and men - if dems behaved like repukkkes and the ted haggards of the world the outrage and spin would be never ending -
rmj - mccain is trying to make it an issue. But you're right, who else but political junkies know anything about it.
qlª
I'm amused. This is the best he can do?
Pass the popcorn....
Re satellite shoot-down: I'm quite surprised that they've been so public about this, identifying the ship, type of missile, etc. 'Cause when they miss (and they're gonna), I don't see how they are going to hide the fact. There are lots of amateurs tracking this school-bus sized satellite.
BTW, who was the teacher with the magic schoolbus? Ms Grizzle? It would be just like her to get her class in a pickle like this. (Author, no charge for idea for next book)
Death to all modifiers!
Let this be known as the Yossarian fatwa! Let the word go forth!
Let it be so!
I guess you missed the news that month. read the Winograd report for an actual estimation of the losses the IDF incurred.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
"Did so!"
"Did not!"
"Did so!"
"Nyahhh!"
"Nyahh nyahhh!"
And so on.
NORTHERN ISRAEL (CNN) -- The Israeli military on Wednesday suffered its largest loss of life in its 15-day offensive against Hezbollah guerillas as nine Israeli soldiers were killed while fighting in southern Lebanese towns.
Eight soldiers were killed and 22 more were wounded in Bint Jbeil, near the Israeli border, while battling militiamen in what the Israel Defense Forces has called Hezbollah's "terror capital."
They bravely ran away.
No, they didn't. The ground incursion into southern Lebanon was fought to a standstill by Hezbollah. The Israeli air forces unopposed bombing of fleeing civilians and Lebanese infrastructure north of the battlefield went off without a hitch.
Death to all modifiers!
Let this be known as the Yossarian fatwa! Let the word go forth!
Let it be so!
Rmj, Bemused Theologist
Does this include adjectives?
Just wondering.
BTW, who was the teacher with the magic schoolbus?
Christa McAuliffe?
They need to get one of the Astronauts to hang out of the passenger-side window of the Space Shuttle and stick a blob of C4 on the satellite & then book it out of there & blow it up.
That would be cool.
mccain is trying to make it an issue.
If for that reason only, Obama should completely ignore McCain.
Don't forget that during his 2000 presidential run, McCain called his Vietnamese captors "gooks". He said this to reporters. When his remarks were met w/ outrage, he claimed they were not racist because he was only referring to the Vietnamese who held him captive, not to all Asians or Vietnamese people. I don't think he has ever apologized.
Christa McAuliffe?
NTodd
Someone's going to h-e-double hockey sticks
NORTHERN ISRAEL (CNN) -- The Israeli military on Wednesday suffered its largest loss of life in its 15-day offensive against Hezbollah guerillas as nine Israeli soldiers were killed while fighting in southern Lebanese towns.
Eight soldiers were killed and 22 more were wounded in Bint Jbeil, near the Israeli border, while battling militiamen in what the Israel Defense Forces has called Hezbollah's "terror capital."
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
"Your mother wears Army boots!"
"Your Daddy is the mailman!"
And so on.
OK, so I looked at the stats.
Hezbollah KIA: 500-1,000
IDF KIA: 116-120
Lebanese civilians killed: 1,123-1,137
Israeli civilians killed: 43
I'll admit tha Israel incurred more losses than usua for this sort of thing, but their asses were handed to them? You are setting the bar very low for Hezbollah.
What does NASA stand for again?
The name of the teacher on The Magic Schoolbus was Miss Frizzel.
Her voice was done by Lili Tomlin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Sup...olution_in_Iraq
:::The Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SIIC) (previously known as Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI)) is an Iraqi political party. Its political support comes from the country's Shi'a Muslim community.:::
That is the Shi'a that don't listen to al Sadr.
mccain is trying to make it an issue.
I remember the repukkkes laughing at Dems over their electoral cash advantages over the years - I'd say it's a non-issue and he who laughs last...
I think Hezbollah did a piss-poor job of defending southern Lebanon against that senseless rampage. They bravely ran away.
blerb
Right.
They maintained defenses against a far superior force, and kept lobbing shit into Isreal from fairly close range.
that ain't running away.
If for that reason only, Obama should completely ignore McCain.
bloggus
Uhhhh... that's what Kerry tried to do with the Swift Boat Liars.
Didn't work out so well for him.
What does NASA stand for again?
Need Another Seven Astronauts.
Alternately, Never Absolutely Sure of Anything.
National Ape in Space Administration
On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/op...on/
hongop.shtml
I'll bet if you compare the cost-per-soldier, it was an economic win for hezbollah. Israeli troops probably cost a good $100k apiece. And there's millions of angry muslims.
That is the Shi'a that don't listen to al Sadr.
Tom - 大肚腩
OK, thanks.
Uhhhh... that's what Kerry tried to do with the Swift Boat Liars.
Didn't work out so well for him.
Isn't that like comparing oranges and dogs?
drivebyn -
McCain is military, fellas, they getz special dispensations to use bad words. To anyone over, say, 55.
And finally, I found corroboration of my longtime impression that the corruption charges against Benazir Bhutto were trumped up.
at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
The name of the teacher on The Magic Schoolbus was Miss Frizzel.
Her voice was done by Lili Tomlin.
Tom3
Is there anything that Atriots' don't know?
On 12 August 2006 24 Israeli soldiers were killed; the worst Israeli loss in a single day. Out of those 24, five soldiers were killed when Hezbollah shot down an Israeli helicopter, a first for the militia. Hezbollah claimed the helicopter had been attacked with a Wa'ad missile.
Aware of the gook comment, but what about the war criminal business?
Isn't that like comparing oranges and dogs?
bloggus
Yes, but they are related!
I'll bet if you compare the cost-per-soldier, it was an economic win for hezbollah. Israeli troops probably cost a good $100k apiece. And there's millions of angry muslims.
Mike
Oh, by all means, let's start evaluating and comparing lives on a dollar basis.
Christ.
I'll bet if you compare the cost-per-soldier, it was an economic win for hezbollah. Israeli troops probably cost a good $100k apiece.
Asymmetrical warfare is like that...
Is there anything that Atriots' don't know?
Gromit | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:16 pm | #
We could do better in urban guerilla warfare skillz. It would help if we discussed it more.
With McZZzzz..., foul language is a sign of endearment, like:
Hi honey, you f----ass----, I'm F---ing home! Hey kids, have you finished your f---ing homework? Let's go get some f---ing sh-t frosty milkshakes, you f-cks!
OK, so some of them successfully held their ground. That is still not handing the IDF's asses to them. Handing their asses to them in this context would be something like most of the IDF who went into Lebanon didn't come out.
Right.
They maintained defenses against a far superior force, and kept lobbing shit into Isreal from fairly close range.
that ain't running away.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:14 pm | #
And they ended the idea of the invincible IDF
And they increased their political power in the aftermath.
That's called winning.
As for the Lebanese civilians - collateral damage, as our leaders put it.
On 12 August 2006 24 Israeli soldiers were killed; the worst Israeli loss in a single day. Out of those 24, five soldiers were killed when Hezbollah shot down an Israeli helicopter, a first for the militia. Hezbollah claimed the helicopter had been attacked with a Wa'ad missile.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Dear God. If I admit you're right; if I publically state your inerrantness, if I crawl to Mecca, would you stop belaboring whatever point you are trying to make, already?
Oh, by all means, let's start evaluating and comparing lives on a dollar basis.
Christ.
Adam Hominem | 02.16.08 - 12:17 pm | #
There is at least one plus to making human life a commodity: the continued existence of the human race. Cows and chickens ain't gonna be extinct anytime soon.
Handing their asses to them in this context would be something like most of the IDF who went into Lebanon didn't come out.
Not really. There's no need to decimate (in the literal or figurative sense) to hand their asses to them. Most of our troops will ultimately come home, as did most of our troops in Vietnam and Korea.
Hezbollah won the PR war.
Stalingrad is getting your ass handed to you. Kursk and Falaise and Bataan are getting you ass handed to you. This was just a senseless blootbaththat led to a stalemate.
I am not taking Israel's side in this. What the IDF did was reprehensible. But I think Hezbollah did a piss-poor job of defending southern Lebanon against that senseless rampage. They bravely ran away.
blerb, self-reeferential | 02.16.08 - 12:05 pm | #
Ran away?
They fought IDF to a stalemate.
Considering their disadvantage in technology, equipment, and overall military resources, it's pretty amazing.
As for the Lebanese civilians - collateral damage, as our leaders put it.
rootless-e
You're sounding quite disgusting right now, you know that? And if that's dismissive and partronizing, good.
I see the WP was taken over by pukes today. How is O "cozying up" to big donors when most of cash is coming from piggy banks?
Is there anything that Atriots' don't know?
Gromit
We're still working on how high "up" is, and the exact length of a piece of string.
We hope to have definitive answers soon.
Stalingrad is getting your ass handed to you. Kursk and Falaise and Bataan are getting you ass handed to you. This was just a senseless blootbaththat led to a stalemate.
Dude, those are extremes on the continuum of getting your ass handed to you. The Soviets got theirs handed to them in Afghanistan, just as we have in Iraq. It's not just body count.
We hope to have definitive answers soon.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist
I do, however, finally have an answer to the question, "what color is George Washington's white horse?"
You are setting the bar very low for Hezbollah.
Just using the Israelis own bar. They were shocked and appalled by the "poor" showing of their ground forces against Hezbollah. IIRC the Defense Minister was forced to resign.
You're sounding quite disgusting right now, you know that? And if that's dismissive and partronizing, good.
Adam Hominem | 02.16.08 - 12:20 pm | #
Civilians get killed when armies fight and the people who plan the wars don't care. If that's news to you, you don't sound patronizing, just naive.
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the exact length of a piece of string.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:21 pm
Is it carrying a coconut attached to African or European Swallows?
Is there anything that Atriots' don't know?
Gromit
Got me.
On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/op...on/ hongop.shtml
bloggus | 02.16.08 - 12:15 pm | #
I'm sure Obama's camp already has several of these gems lined up to use against McStain in the general.
I can't wait.
3,000 fighters forced an invading army of 30,000 to suffer repeated losses and to withdraw. what part of this is hard to understand?
it seems that the IDF left corpses and body parts of their soldiers in Lebanon as well, which is a big no-no in the Jewish religion.
so who was doing the running away?
Considering their disadvantage in technology, equipment, and overall military resources, it's pretty amazing.
Never underestimate the strength of people defending their own homes.
We did in Vietnam. We didn't get our asses handed to us but we did bravely run away like Sir Robin.
Now this is TEH Funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...h?
v=HcdLO3jKkPo
It's St. John McCain in a nutshell.
-
And now that beep-beep-beep you hear is the sound of The Straight Talk Express backing up.
Harmon's involvement in the campaign is a little awkward because in 2002, McCain denounced TV ads put out by a U.S. Senate campaign that Harmon managed in Georgia. (The spots compared Max Cleland, triple Vietnam amputee, to terrorists.)
After I wrote about Harmon's role in the McCain campaign the other day, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution asked the McCain camp about it. Campaign spokesman Brian Rogers told the paper that Harmon is not national political director. He said Harmon was "an independent contractor" who runs "the phone operation to contact voters."
I called Rogers myself yesterday and got no reply.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/
news...,7655180.column
The Israeli goal was to destroy Hezbollah. They did not achieve that. They did however destroy S Lebanon, kill thousands of civilians, and incurr highly unsymmetric losses (i.e. far more Hezbollah fighters lost that IDF).
Can we stop now?
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Elias | 02.16.08 - 12:22 pm | #
Hi country, I'm home!
Whatever. I guess it is pointless to argue the semantics of ass-handing. I don't see it as Hezbollah handing the IDF their asses. YMMV.
I was a graduate student at MIT. The grad students were a pretty normal bunch (relatively speaking), but the undergrads were something to behold.
I was especially impressed that on campus, you could find a group of people who were completely obsessed with any subject whatsoever; incredibly well-informed and willing to take it to excess. The layout and automation of the Model Railroad Club would put the Skinkansen system to shame, and the 'hacks' played by students were feats of engineering and nerve.
This place is kinda like that. You all were MIT undergrads, weren't you?
What does NASA stand for again?
Need Another Seven Astronauts.
Alternately, Never Absolutely Sure of Anything.
NTodd, Löving Führer | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:15 pm |
I remember a couple of weeks after the explosion, one of my profs ended up using our break so we could go through all the Challenger jokes. He had to do it again after Chernobyl.
Good afternoon, friends.
Hey, at least he cusses out the idiots of his own party.
Speaking of Stalingrad...
Civilians get killed when armies fight and the people who plan the wars don't care. If that's news to you, you don't sound patronizing, just naive.
rootless-e
Using those deaths to justify your position is disgusting.
Whatever. I guess it is pointless to argue the semantics of ass-handing. I don't see it as Hezbollah handing the IDF their asses. YMMV.
blerb, self-reeferential | 02.16.08 - 12:24 pm | #
The Israelis considered it a massive defeat. The Hebollah considered it a victory and consolidated their hold on territory after the Israelis were forced to withdraw.
This place is kinda like that. You all were MIT undergrads, weren't you?
I was a lazy student at a shitty college.
''F--- you,'' he shouted at Texas Sen. John Cornyn last year.
I'd curse that dumb SOB out, too.
We did in Vietnam. We didn't get our asses handed to us but we did bravely run away like Sir Robin.
Tom3 | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:24 pm
Actually we did get our asses handed to us by a third rate agricultural country.
Mostly due to the ineptness of our political and diplomatic leadership at the time. (the fact that Kissinger is now off making award presentation with the Power Swine crew on Iran invasion propaganda speaks volumes about the irrelevancy of the Council of Foreign Relations. that and gerson's continuing drivel in the WaPo)
Speaking of Stalingrad...
Hitler walked into Stalingrad...
"Oh no he dint!"
it seems that the IDF left corpses and body parts of their soldiers in Lebanon as well, which is a big no-no in the Jewish religion.
so who was doing the running away?
mimi
If mimi were on my side, I'd seriously re-examine my position.
And now I am going to take the daughter to breakfast.
This was just a senseless blootbaththat led to a stalemate.
blerb
What were the objectives of either side, and which side got the closest to them?
You all were MIT undergrads, weren't you?
Gromit
Never went to college.
(blushes)
"Never underestimate the strength of people defending their own homes."
'Hell, I'd like to see any of these neocon jerks do what the Finns did in hundreds of forest battles, using the tactic they called "Motti" to chop Soviet columns that outnumbered them dozens to one into bite-size pieces, then kill them piece by piece. I've read that some Finnish soldiers used to vomit after these battles, just because they'd killed more men in a day than the whole population of their home villages.'
http://old.exile.ru/2006-Decembe...9/
war_nerd.html
Can we stop now?
Are you acknowledging that you've had your ass handed to you?
Hezbollah KIA: 500-1,000
IDF KIA: 116-120
Lebanese civilians killed: 1,123-1,137
Israeli civilians killed: 43
how does the logic get so tortured? the israelis are way too good at this stuff - even in a bad month - that fellah who was responsible for the '83 bombing and all kinds of other evil was offed! I'd say the israelis made it a good month from their perspective - what's the argument again? the idf had their arses handed to them? puh-lease! those israeli deaths will turn into an excuse to kill even more - kind of what they're after would be my guess
"Com'on John! Give him a big fat man hug! You know how don't you? Hug karl rove. Mmmmmmmmmmmm!
Nuts! just
Didn't a member of this community post just last week of McCain's respect for Turdblossom?
I read that and said "WTF!"
This place is kinda like that. You all were MIT undergrads, weren't you?
Gromit | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:25 pm
Excuse me officer, could you tell me which way to go to get to Baker House? *wink wink*
Civilians get killed when armies fight and the people who plan the wars don't care. If that's news to you, you don't sound patronizing, just naive.
rootless-e
Thge dead in the WTC attacks were just collateral damage, too.
Thge dead in the WTC attacks were just collateral damage, too.
I believe they were targets.
This place is kinda like that. You all were MIT undergrads, weren't you?
Gromit
I like to think of this place as sort of like Noam Chomsky with a sense of humor.
What were the objectives of either side, and which side got the closest to them?
JR, kerosene and a match
good question! but israel talk on this board gets people crazy and you won't get an anything but self-serving answers
We did in Vietnam. We didn't get our asses handed to us but we did bravely run away like Sir Robin.
Tom3
We did get out asses handed to us.
Then again. we never should have been there in the first place.
This country has a habit of sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.
I believe they were targets.
NTodd
US arrogance was the target.
the WTC buildings were the targets. the dead were just "collateral damage"
Dude, those are extremes on the continuum of getting your ass handed to you.
I guess in my mental map of meanings, "getting your ass handed to you" implies getting defeated in a one-sided, blood-on-the-field way. Agian, YMMV.
ust because they'd killed more men in a day than the whole population of their home villages.'
Thus the term "finnish them off".
OK, sorry.
butler went to Texas A&M, which is like MIT for the developmentally disabled
http://www.knoxvoice.com/blogs/t...-opposing-bush/
Thge dead in the WTC attacks were just collateral damage, too.
I believe they were targets.
NTodd, Löving Führer
I think JR was simply following United States doctrine.
This thread has all the earmarks of an out-of-control shout-fest just waiting to go Ka-Blooie! And with that I have used up my allotment of hyphens for the morning.
Thge dead in the WTC attacks were just collateral damage, too.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:29 pm | #
Nah. One of the purposes of the attack on the WTC was to kill civilians.
When you kill civilians because you just don't give a shit - that's collateral damage.
At least that's what I hear. Not that it makes a difference to the lucky victims.
good question! but israel talk on this board gets people crazy
There are many of us that don't get crazy.
I don't have a dog in this fight.
I guess in my mental map of meanings, "getting your ass handed to you" implies getting defeated in a one-sided, blood-on-the-field way.
When you're going up against an inferior force and you meet none of your objectives whilst taking relatively heavy casualties then retreat with tail betwixt legs, that's getting your asses handed to you.
Does Cheney's 1% doctrine mean that any building containing 1% military or government personnel be considered a military target?
Skinkansen
Not Freudian, I hope.
Only accurate if the Japanese have clothing-optional cars on their high speed trains.
I don't have a dog in this fight.
JR, kerosene and a match
I want Gromit on my side...
Hezbollah KIA: 500-1,000
IDF KIA: 116-120
Lebanese civilians killed: 1,123-1,137
Israeli civilians killed: 43
how does the logic get so tortured? the israelis are way too good at this stuff - even in a bad month - that fellah who was responsible for the '83 bombing and all kinds of other evil was offed! I'd say the israelis made it a good month from their perspective - what's the argument again? the idf had their arses handed to them? puh-lease! those israeli deaths will turn into an excuse to kill even more - kind of what they're after would be my guess
Nuts! just | 02.16.08 - 12:28 pm | #
If the US Army lost 120 in one battle against a force that was greatly outnumbered, had inferior equipment, had ZERO air power, and then the US Army was forced to retreat without achieving it's objective, you can be damned sure heads would roll. The same thing happened to IDF, and heads did, in fact, roll.
I read that and said "WTF!"
Terry C - Hates Republicans
mccain embraced karl rove early this week - one of many humbling capitulations he's been forced to make - can't wait for the inevitable love fest on limpballs show ugh!
Push Mccain enough and he may lose it in public. During his campaign in 2000 didn't he cuss at a reporter and it was all over the news?
jus saying
Bush called someone an "asshole" and that was all over the news.
But the fucktards still wanted to have a beer with him.
IOIYAR
9-11 was an inside job.
The real objectives included demolition of WTC 1 and 2 because they were white elephants full of asbestos.
Plus stealing millions of gold and destroying the trading computers in WTC 7 to cover up a massive ripoff of the stock market.
The dead on 9-11 were collateral damage.
mccain embraced karl rove early this week - one of many humbling capitulations he's been forced to make - can't wait for the inevitable love fest on limpballs show ugh!
Nuts! just
The man has NO pride.
When you're going up against an inferior force and you meet none of your objectives whilst taking relatively heavy casualties then retreat with tail betwixt legs, that's getting your asses handed to you.
NTodd, Löving Führer | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:33 pm | #
Well, it's hard to say sometimes. I've heard the argument that the US government "won" in Vietnam because the lesson that you'd pay a huge cost for defiance and then end up begging to make sneakers for 10cents/hour is exactly the lesson that was intended.
I miss things like this.
http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_ye...3_john_harvard/
I guess in my mental map of meanings, "getting your ass handed to you" implies getting defeated in a one-sided, blood-on-the-field way.
By that definition the Blackhawk Down incident in Somalia was a huge US success. The US forces accomplished their objective -- arresting the guys they went out to round up -- and withdrew after losing only about 19 dead and 2 helicopters while killing over a thousand Somalis. I well remember the joyous dancing in the streets of my hometown after that singular US victory.... Oh, wait, no, I don't.
.When you're going up against an inferior force and you meet none of your objectives whilst taking relatively heavy casualties then retreat with tail betwixt legs, that's getting your asses handed to you.
NTodd, Löving Führer
OK, I guess by that criterion they were handed their asses.
Man mailed threat letters to "liberal" targets like Stewart, Pelosi
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/
arc...14082chad1.html
The real objectives included demolition of WTC 1 and 2 because they were white elephants full of asbestos.
Plus stealing millions of gold and destroying the trading computers in WTC 7 to cover up a massive ripoff of the stock market.
And making Bush and Giuliani (whose approval ratings were in the toilet at the time) look like heroes.
Let's not forget that.
"When you're going up against an inferior force and you meet none of your objectives whilst taking relatively heavy casualties then retreat with tail betwixt legs, that's getting your asses handed to you.
NTodd, Löving Führer"
Which brings in to ? the whole notion of what "inferior" and "superior" mean.
I often find it amazing that in this era of identity politics, no one mentions that the US military excluded women in the 60s while women were very much a part of the NLF and the NVA... were
Man mailed threat letters to "liberal" targets like Stewart, Pelosi
Isn't that the moron who called Coulter, Ingraham and Malkin "goddesses."
Bastard is as blind as well as stupid.
I've heard the argument that the US government "won" in Vietnam because the lesson that you'd pay a huge cost for defiance and then end up begging to make sneakers for 10cents/hour is exactly the lesson that was intended.
Yes, that's exactly what McNamara said...
We used to have another term for these sorts of "victories". "Pyrrhic victories."
The same thing happened to IDF, and heads did, in fact, roll.
Barbarism Begins at Home
but they will in fact use their losses to justify even more killing, yes? and their objectives are? and the battle is over, when?
and I'm not defending this stuff - just pointing out what it looks like to me
9-11 was an inside job.
FORMOSAN TERMITES!!!!
.By that definition the Blackhawk Down incident in Somalia was a huge US success. ,
I definitely did not call what the IDF did a success. It was obviously not that. It was a defeat in the sense that it did not accomplish its objectives. As to Hezbollah coming away stronger for it, I'm not so sure that will be true in the long term.
Maybe we should check with the War College or the Infantry School or
West Point on what the official military definition of "getting your asses handed to you" is.
But don't ask Rummy. He has no fucking clue.
rmj - mccain is trying to make it [purported agreement with Obama to use public financing] an issue. But you're right, who else but political junkies know anything about it.
qlª | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:06 pm
OK, here's the deal: ReThugs are expected and permitted to be utterly pragmatic (do anything to win); Dems are supposed to live up to ideals and to keep their word to the letter; ergo, McCain wins and Obama gets gigged.
The MCM keeps hitting on the Dem's change, while softsoaping the ReThug's.
That's why it will matter: McCain and R's will make it an issue, and, if history is repeated, the MCM fill follow right along with the R's attacks, snipes.
I may be wrong--Obama may be different.
Oh gawd. I just heard a GWB audio clip I'd never heard:
"Our military has the breast and brighest..."
Very good story in Vanity Fair this month about Obama.
Elsewhere in Idaho, the story was similar in Donnelly, at the foot of the Tamarack ski area. “Good evening,” said Marilyn Arp, chair of Democrats in Valley County, scanning the crowd of 233 people. “And they say there are no Democrats in Valley County.” Only 56 people showed up the year that John Kerry got the Democratic nomination, notes The Star-News. {snipet}
http://www.vaildaily.com/article.../NEWS/
681588848
9-11 was an inside job.
Nonsense.
However, you are partially right since a number of US administrations - Dem and Rep - are responsible for the hatred that led to 9/11. There's no conspiracy there. It's all on record.
Tom-- This was my favorite one. I was back in town giving a lecture at MGH the day it happened. Cracked me up.
I'm pretty sure you people do it just to bait me....
The MCM keeps hitting on the Dem's change, while softsoaping the ReThug's.
That's why it will matter: McCain and R's will make it an issue, and, if history is repeated, the MCM fill follow right along with the R's attacks, snipes.
I may be wrong--Obama may be different.
jawbone | 02.16.08 - 12:40 pm | #
300 million dollars can do a lot of fighting back against media-enabled McStain lies.
No way Obama should fight with both hands tied behind his back.
Would be monumentally stupid.
media-enabled McStain
The media don't seem all that enamoured of McCain.
Oops forgot the link for the MIT hack:
http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_ye...ar/1994/cp_car/
Gromit, will you take me skiing someday? Please?
McCain has set himself up terribly by being against the Bush Tax Cuts before he was for them. The quotes of his original opposition will be deployed against him relentlessly, as well they should. The GOP will not like having its nose rubbed in the fact that "The Party of Lincoln" has spent the years since the Civil and Voting Rights Acts sopping up disaffected white Southern racists -- and that's exactly what they've done.
FYI:
I wouldn't want to live in that place.
UGH!
Let it be on the head and shoulders of the democrat party ~
What will happen at midnight tonight is much more significant than stump speeches, steroids or superdelegates. On Sunday, the terrorist tracking program the Director of National Intelligence tells us has led "to the disruption of planned terrorist attacks" no longer will be fully operational because of Congressional inaction.
we’ve conceded the capability to fully track them because the House Democrat Leadership blocked a vote on a bipartisan solution and then chose to close up shop and go home without completing their work.
At midnight, the country will be more at risk than it is today. And that risk will increase each day we don't have a solution to this problem.” - mitch mcconnel
During the primary campaign you said...
Hold it. Let he who is without sin yadda yadda...game on muthafuka.
I'm feeling almost sports fanish this morning for some reason.
none of your objectives whilst taking relatively heavy casualties then retreat with tail betwixt legs, that's getting your asses handed to you.
NTodd, Löving Führer
gotta' love people just deferring to ntodd
I disagree 'cause we don't know their objectives and they are not done - the "relatively" heavy casualties will be justification for yet more attacks -
but they will in fact use their losses to justify even more killing, yes? and their objectives are? and the battle is over, when?
and I'm not defending this stuff - just pointing out what it looks like to me
Nuts! just | 02.16.08 - 12:40 pm | #
Well, they may try to spin their losses to justify more agression in the future, but I don't think you can argue that it was their plan all along to lose, and then use that loss to come back stronger than ever. I remember that Israeli higher-ups were stunned at how badly the war was going, and domestic political pressure eventually led to the withdrawal. I hardly think that's evidence of some super-secret gambit.
Let be on the heads of the trolls: (legal) Domestic surveillance stops at midnight.
sonny assablaze is quoting fucktard McConnell?
Man, our trolls are that fucking desperate????
I hardly think that's evidence of some super-secret gambit.
Barbarism Begins at Home
Them Jews are crafty.
I'm sure Obama's camp already has several of these gems lined up to use against McStain in the general.
I can't wait.
Barbarism Begins at Home | 02.16.08 - 12:23 pm | #
But doesn't this brand of shoot from the hip, straight talkin' maverickin' help him?
media-enabled McStain
The media don't seem all that enamoured of McCain.
Terry C - Hates Republicans | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:45 pm | #
Certainly not yet, and I'm not that sure they ever will be, but Obama can't take that chance.
He might be the media's darling all the way through November, but if not, I want him to have a shitload of cash on hand to fight back with.
Wow...Larry Johnson's jumped the shark.
Let be on the heads of the trolls: (legal) Domestic surveillance stops at midnight.
plantsman,
The American government spying on American citizens in treason.
Mitch McConnell is a traitor and so is sonny assablaze.
Gromit, that hack reminds me of what could be the greatest hack or culture jam ever. One of the Yes Men managed to get on the BBC portraying himself as a Dow exec to apologize for Bhopal and say that Dow would now pay full reperations. It's fucking brilliant!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h?
v=LiWlvBro9eI
I worry about who McCain will pick as a running mate.
Heaven forbid he lie and cheat his way into the White House (the only way the Repukes know how to win elections anymore).
But he croaks in office.......
And it's symmetrical!
But he croaks in office.......
Meh...he won't get there.
That much, I'm pretty confident of.
No way Obama should fight with both hands tied behind his back.
Would be monumentally stupid.
Barbarism Begins at Home | 02.16.08 - 12:44 pm | #
Plus, we make the point that O's money is coming from piggy banks, not inter-national banks.
Them Jews are crafty.
JR, kerosene and a match
Wait. I don't get it.
"Kerosene" + "match" = ?
OOOOOHHHHH!
I get it now.
HUGGY BEAR
http://thumbsnap.com/v/9xqIXKQk.jpg
But he croaks in office.......
Meh...he won't get there.
That much, I'm pretty confident of.
Zap Rowsdower
I don't think he will either.
I'm not prepared to accept that 9/11 was an inside job, but I don't for a second believe we have the whole record.
I like the notion that cheney may have been right at the lihop/mihop border. If so, the conspiracy (as far as US gov goes) could be only him.
I always thought that boosh's continuous air travel that day was cheney's doing as he had work to do and didn't want the little chimp interfering
I disagree 'cause we don't know their objectives and they are not done - the "relatively" heavy casualties will be justification for yet more attacks -
Yes, we know their objectives as stated. And using casualties from over a year ago for more attacks? Come on...
I don't think he will either.
Then we are, as Fred Durst would say, in agreeance.
I'm not prepared to accept that 9/11 was an inside job, but I don't for a second believe we have the whole record.
I wouldn't put ANYTHING past these bastards.
There's no conspiracy there. It's all on record.
Elias | 02.16.08 - 12:43 pm | #
How cutely naive.
I don't think he will either.
Then we are, as Fred Durst would say, in agreeance.
Zap Rowsdower
Months ago, Vicki said McCain would be the Repigs' nominee, by default.
He ain't much.
sheets
NPR really needs to find better news analysts. Today Dorthy Rabinowitz of teh WSJ tells us that she knows that the media is being harsh to Hillary Clinton and giving a pass to Barack Obama because Chris Matthews says he gets chills up his leg. Jeebus...
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...toryId=19115828
"I worry about who McCain will pick as a running mate."
Joe "I want a do-over" Loserman.
"I worry about who McCain will pick as a running mate."
Joe "I want a do-over" Loserman.
Tom3
No.
LieberWhore already said "Not interested"
And the mouthbreathers ain't going for a Jew.
How cutely naive.
Zod's a coward
How cutely ignorant.
What I was referring to was the long, sorry record of US intervention and Imperial control of the Middle East. That's what is all on record. And it's too long and ugly to list here.
So dreaming up conspiracy theories only acts to minimize that criminal record which has lead to the retaliatory strike know as 9/11.
Chris Matthews says he gets chills up his leg.
Someone tell Chris "Once you go black..."?
I thought the knuckledraggers all loved them jewish fellers nowadays.
Anything to help Armageddon along.
Zod's a coward:
Oooooooooh, I guess YOU'VE been
"schooled", my friend.
/snark
So dreaming up conspiracy theories only acts to minimize that criminal record which has lead to the retaliatory strike know as 9/11.
I can't spell for shit today.
Chrissy Matthews sure gets man-crushes.
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the mens room at his TV studio.
So dreaming up conspiracy theories only acts to minimize that criminal record which has lead to the retaliatory strike know as 9/11.
Elias | 02.16.08 - 12:58 pm | #
and assuming that 9/11 could have happened without Bushco is, again, cutely naive. Nobody here needs your sophmoric lecture on US interests in the ME, boyo.
the media is being harsh to Hillary Clinton
Ain't just the media.
I hardly think that's evidence of some super-secret gambit.
Barbarism Begins at Home
not hinting at super secret gambits - just mean that they are in it for the long run - their losses are far outnunbered by their enemies losses and they can spin a rough week (for them)into an excuse to take even harsher actions - kind of like neo-con logic - plus the did get that head guy - I don't like being in the position of thinking like killers much
no winners here
and assuming that 9/11 could have happened without Bushco is, again, cutely naive. Nobody here needs your sophmoric lecture on US interests in the ME, boyo.
Zod's a coward
This shows the limitations of your intellect. Bush's father, as well as the rest of the US administrations post WWII, are responsible for 9/11 as their policy toward the ME has hardly wavered. That's not a conspiracy.
Someday you might begin to think critically.
It's obvious that Bush II contributed as well.
cornyn deserved it.
what a schmuck.
http://www.latimes.com/media/thu...11/
20390566.jpg
Today Dorthy Rabinowitz of teh WSJ tells us that she knows that the media is being harsh to Hillary Clinton and giving a pass to Barack Obama because Chris Matthews says he gets chills up his leg. Jeebus...
http://www.npr.org/templates/ sto...toryId=19115828
Guy | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 12:57 pm
Uh, and that is not accurate how?
I haven't heard Tweety say anything about Obama's speaking style which isn't laudatory to excess.
Now, when Obama is speaking extemporaneously, I sometimes get impatient, wanting him to stop with the long pauses, etc. But that's not mentioned very often that I've heard. Certainly not by the Tweets.
As I've said before, maybe I've lived in the East too long--but it's not just a Midwesternism since Hillary grew up in Chicago and lived in Arkansas until she came to DC with Bill. I'm sure Obama will become more smooth as he gets more experience answering questions. Just makes me want to finish his sentences for him sometimes....
Her "you know" tic is irritating to me, and I believe Tweety has done plenty on Hillary's on speaking and stage mannerisms. None of which send thrills up his leg. And the only tingles for Tucker are that he feels he needs to cross his legs to protect his manhood from her.
Rabinowitz said some things which could be contested. That one, to me, no way.
You neglected to include: "YOU STINKIN' GOOKS, I'LL KILL YOU ALL"!!
Give McCain a break on his speech towards Jon Cornyn. Such language is not proof of McCain's temper. It is merely an example of the fact that McCain has some good people sense.
There is no accurate term which should be used towards Jon Cornyn or as a descriptive of Cornyn's nature which is not also foul-mouthed and nasty.
Speaking to Cornyn as McCain is reported having done is simply a recognition of the fact that Cornyn is a waste of a human skin. It is not an indication that the person speaking has a hot temper, just that he recognizes Jon Cornyn.
McCain may also have a hot temper, but nothing he says to or about Cornyn is evidence of it.
Frame, frame, frame,
Frame-frame McCain...
Frame, frame, frame,
Frame-frame McCain...
etc
"Don't forget that during his 2000 presidential run, McCain called his Vietnamese captors "gooks". He said this to reporters. When his remarks were met w/ outrage, he claimed they were not racist because he was only referring to the Vietnamese who held him captive, not to all Asians or Vietnamese people. I don't think he has ever apologized."
Whatever...as far as I'm concern the guy can call the fuckwads who capture and toture him whatever the fuck he wants. My grandfather went to his grave calling them Krauts and Japs, and he was about the sweetest, kindest hearted man I've ever known.
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