I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Bill Owens, NY-23 (D) 
Is this the price I pay for being pedantic?
i rise in suport of The Old Man's comments to Hoffman and his fluffers
i like the Tales of Hoffman by Offenbach
are you people still here?
How can I enjoy a thread when I'm not FIRST?
Replay from this morning: Photos from best 1 yo birthday ever!
http://blogs.smugmug.com/found-o.../28/cake-smash/
en-fucking-joying here.
I fucking HATE dress shopping for Björk!
Navy SEALS Rawk!!!!!!
is that Harvey Keitel?
I've got a certain bias now being an employee of the public school system.
Of course, let the results speak for themselves...and that's that charter schools are by no means an "improvement" over public ones. Pretty much a wash propped up by the old Edison for-profit school folks.
That's adorable, Gromit...
I fucking HATE dress shopping for Björk!
What a beautiful feminine creature.
The swan aint bad either.
The Wolf.
I fucking HATE dress shopping for Björk!
What a beautiful feminine creature.
The swan aint bad either.
heh...heh...heh...
Derbes
You showed why you are a good teacher, as usual.
Has he got his grandkids with him?
Thanks, ms. f.
/throws hot water at Ali
There are calls to punish parents who lie to get their children into the best British government schools.
The competition for some schools is so great it is thought increasing numbers of people are not telling the truth about where they live.
In many parts of England, it is where you live that will determine how good an education your children will receive.
Reside in the catchment of an excellent government school and your loved ones' life chances are improved immeasurably. Lose that lottery and some truly dreadful schools await.
So perhaps it is not surprising some parents lie about where they live, use a relative's address if it is closer, even claim to have divorced and moved to get in.
Tactics not unfamiliar to mothers waiting outside one London school.
"There are definitely people who use rented addresses just to get people into this school in particular I think," one mother said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stori...?
section=justin
This is historic, DD!
/throws hot water at Ali
AndyG, still nothing
/throws ex utero offspring at Andy
Ali,
You like that guy, too, huh?
I'm going to propose to that guy.
I will only enjoy when all Americans have no access to healthcare.
good call Mr. Speaker!
ANyway, in and out dealing with stuff. Thanks for the birthday wishes and support, friends. Gotta roll, though.
Take care of your fine selves.
Propose to AndyG? I think he's married...
/throws ex utero offspring at Andy
Uncle!
Ali just threw a baby out with AndyG's bathwater?
I really wish it was historic, but it is pretty much theater to use for reelection at this point.
TKK,
No: this guy.
Ali just threw a baby out with AndyG's bathwater?
NTodd |
I.. think I did!
DTD
What should have happened then was to make all schools that good, and allow any student to go to any school, independent of where they lived. Instead, lots of money and political influence lit out for the 'burbs, and the inner city schools were starved of talent, money and influence. Oddly enough, many schools deteriorated.
Not surprising, is it?
David Derbes, optimistic | 11.07.09 - 4:25 pm | #
Excuse me, but that's seen through rosy glasses indeed. My prosperous friends with children in NYC live in e.g. the Lincoln Center district where the public school is a diamond. On the other hand, my friends who live out in Clinton in Brooklyn had to home school rather than have their kids endure the public schools. The basic level of administration in, especially, big city public schools is ATROCIOUS. Many of the people who administer those schools should be in jail. I bet you could walk 2 miles from the Lab School and see "schools" that are unbearable.
I'm in favor of public schools, but you can read hardcore reactionaries like Jonathon Kozol to see how terribly traditional public schools treat many students.
"good call Mr. Speaker!"
wha happen?
res - I like him. 
Yeah...who in the hell'd wanna fight over me, TKK?
/adjusts toupee
No: this guy.
dood should stop finessing the issue and tell us what he really thinks
My legislator tells me that in the wake of the gay marriage disaster one of his colleagues is thinking of introducing the Traditional Marriage Act, which would require that only fertile couples can be married, that there be no divorce and no remarriage after divorce. No contraception for married couples. I'd think throwing in only missionary sex and a few other details would be fun too.
wha happen?
"members are reminded not to use guests of the House as props"
Is CSPAN still non-stop insanity?
Following on Moon's post, there was an incredible story coming out of England (and picked up by the NYT here) about excessive surveillance on a family by the government who were convinced that the family was pulling some address swindle so that a daughter could go to a particular school. There are cameras all over the UK and film from these was trying to track the whereabouts of the parents. In the event, the family was innocent, but the hue and cry over excessive government intrusion is now pretty high.
A lot of this crap would be eliminated if there were no tie between where you live and where your kid goes to school. But then, see, you'd be paying for someone else's kids to be educated, and an awful lot of people don't want to do that. DWD and Andy and many others are educating whatever kid comes into our classroom; we don't care where the kid lives. But some people don't want to be helpful to the other people's children. This is not civilized.
Looks like a beautiful day in the mountains, Marcellina.
Is CSPAN still non-stop insanity?
Only when Republicans are talking
Is CSPAN still non-stop insanity?
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 11.07.09 - 4:37 pm
Covering the House debate, which is ongoing. So yes. Republicans feature the Bogeyman.
Gromit, it often reminds me of inland New England.
I'm in favor of random assignments to public schools and banning private schools. If rich jerks knew their kids could get sent to an inner city school they'd insist on equality.
Of course that has about as much chance as happening as the Traditional Marriage Bill has to become law.
If only Speaker Pelosi had remembered to convene today's floor debate in a silver balloon CNN might be covering it...
I've got a big pot of Brunswick stew on the stove.
Aw yeah, babe!!!!
""members are reminded not to use guests of the House as props"
who were the guests?
i'd be watching but the wife HAS to watch osu.
women and their goddamn sports.
Traditional Marriage Act,
Exellent, Anthony. I'd add a restriction that sex is only allowed in the bedroom of your own home, after dark, on Saturdays (max 1 per month and 6 per year).
Hey peeps
Like that one GOP douchebag using a young girl earlier as a sockpuppet about "death panels".
I'll have a cocktail so as to relieve the tension for those who are watching.
Rootless
Are you trying to say Kozol is for charter schools?
(max 1 per month and 6 per year).
Gromit
so, no change then.
"so, no change then."
lol
I'll have a cocktail so as to relieve the tension for those who are watching.
I believe I'll join you, my dear...
Like that one GOP douchebag using a young girl earlier as a sockpuppet about "death panels".
And the dem who came to the floor with two little kids just now. Tasteless.
so, no change then.
Ali- What are you doing later? 
wha happen?
jdw
admonished members not to use 'guests' as props ...
who were the guests?
Some guy ( a Dem in favor of health care) had his grandkids with him when he was speaking.
He wasn't really using them as props, they were standing with him and at the end he said "and these guys won't have to pay for it" indicating the kids.
"admonished members not to use 'guests' as props ..."
the dems should let it slide, and bring in corpses of people who died because they didn't have insurance.
Be not a Fred?
I hope they ban that whole rhetorical bit about "..and a young waitress from Columbus Ohio who just lost her healthcare (camera cuts to sad woman)"
Rootless
Are you trying to say Kozol is for charter schools?
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass | 11.07.09 - 4:40 pm | #
No. I'm saying that he has documented how absolutely unacceptably many public schools treat children.
Gromit,
The fourth photo from the top in that series ... a two-year-old I know did that to the beautiful cake I baked for The GC. He just pushed his face into the cake and came up covered with chocolate. Of course he smiled, like a wicked two-year-old, as if to say, "Suckers! I know you won't kill me because I am so damned cute!" And we didn't.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/
..._facto_sch.html
we have a great college system in this country, but at the lower levels, yeah, it sort of sucks. hats off to good teachers like blodge, DWD, others. and i emphasize good.
Never have figured out how the college system can be "good" is the students coming into it, and the teachers going out of it, aren't educated or teaching.
An old, decrepit blogger who was just killfiled...
[camera cuts to TKK]
Congressthing Jean Schmidget was looking, if possible, even more severe and sere in what looked like an updated whalebone corset...I bet she self-flagellates.
BERLIN — Massive colorful dominoes painted by German students were placed Saturday along the former path of the Berlin Wall to mark the 20th anniversary of the opening of the barrier that divided the city for nearly three decades.
Many of the upright 7.5-foot-high (2.3-meter-high) plastic foam dominoes carried messages, including "We are one people." The approximately 1,000 dominoes stretching for 1.5 kilometers (1 mile) will be toppled Monday as part of wider celebrations of the wall's fall.
One labeled "bleeding heart" showed a sword cutting through the city of Berlin, starting a crimson flow of blood speckled with crosses.
"Everyone has walls in their heads to a certain extent," said Berlin resident Stefan Schueler as he perused the domino display. "It's always a good thing if one can break them down, and I think this is a good symbol."
http://www.google.com/
hostednews..._2RBewD9BQSSP00
Sprained my ankle this morning. Very stupidly, I thought it was no big deal. Wore boots for the last 7 hours. It looks very "puffy" right now.
well, ok then. see ya later, i guess.
the dems should let it slide, and bring in corpses of people who died because they didn't have insurance.
I really didn't understand the teabagger's point of showing the dead at a Nazi concentration camp to campaign against health care reform.
Of course, the teabaggers aren't known for their intelligence...
I hope they ban that whole rhetorical bit about "..and a young waitress from Columbus Ohio who just lost her healthcare (camera cuts to sad woman)"
The Kenosha Kid
The should do it like The Onion...
"...and a mother of seven who wants to break the Duggar record." (camera cuts to same woman)
Obama wants to take men's purses oh noes!!
I hope they ban that whole rhetorical bit about "..and a young waitress from Columbus Ohio who just lost her healthcare (camera cuts to sad woman)"
The US Chamber of Commerce is running the "Well, we work in a factory...and the government is making us layoff workers because they got involved in health care" commercials here. Beats the generic "Middle aged couple is going through their bills and rubbing their foreheads in worry" bit, I suppose.
Excuse me, but that's seen through rosy glasses indeed. My prosperous friends with children in NYC live in e.g. the Lincoln Center district where the public school is a diamond. On the other hand, my friends who live out in Clinton in Brooklyn had to home school rather than have their kids endure the public schools.
Why can't the Brooklyn kids go to the Lincoln Center school, then? Why can't the money and faculty available in midtown Manhattan be spread out a little to include schools in the other boroughs?
The basic level of administration in, especially, big city public schools is ATROCIOUS.
Let's say that's right. Why is that? Can't it be repaired? Those administrators are not faculty. They are government appointees, generally.
Many of the people who administer those schools should be in jail. I bet you could walk 2 miles from the Lab School and see "schools" that are unbearable.
Oh, a good deal closer than that. My question to you is: Why is this? Why can't the principles under which good schools function be exported to these not so good schools? It isn't the fault of the teacher's unions.
Are there lousy teachers? Certainly. You want better teachers, you're going to have to pay for them. You want better outcomes and better schools, it's going to take money. And not just money; it's going to take the civil will to fix the problem, actually fix the problem, and not just pontificate on the issue.
Here is a very dirty secret: Many politicians do not want good public schools, certainly not for the poor and the powerless. And it isn't just politicians, either. Not merely do some well to do folks resent paying for the education of others, there are a handful who would actually pay money so as to keep these kids ignorant.
I'm in favor of public schools, but you can read hardcore reactionaries like Jonathon Kozol to see how terribly traditional public schools treat many students.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
rootless-e, I don't think we have much disagreement that there are real problems needing real solutions. But we are not so close on how to effect those solutions. And as I have argued, there are some who do not want any solution to be found.
An old, decrepit blogger who was just killfiled...
Now NTodd will never find out that he is worse than 1000 Hitlers.
Congressthing Jean Schmidget was looking, if possible, even more severe and sere in what looked like an updated whalebone corset...I bet she self-flagellates.
No way: she keeps her eye on the ball at all times.
{{{{{{{{{Dirks !!!!!!}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
How are you?
And as I have argued, there are some who do not want any solution to be found.
The republic Way.
The US Chamber of Commerce commercials I've seen are utterly vile. Every word a lie, including "and" and "the."
The problem, as I perceive it, is this: if there are problems in the schools, you fix them by any means necessary.
To destroy them in the name of helping them is like shooting someone instead of offering medicine.
We are all together - or should be. Those who say, "Yeah, but look," seriously miss the point.
I am not saying public schools are perfect. Far from it. I am not saying that there are no lazy teachers or bad administrators: all I am saying is that it is in our interest to fix the problem rather than trying to destroy the entity itself.
Dr Derbes is correct and I can empathize with his daughter. My last year teaching I had 10 students who took medication (or should have) and were diagnosed EI (in Michigan. In Illinois they still use ED.)
That doesn't make it right: it makes it harder and when a more difficult problem presents itself, you fix it.
Its teh Orange Boner
trifecta-- R.I.C.E.
Rest
Ice
Compression
Extra alcoholic beverages
Boner's up...
Hate to admit it, but given the choice between sending my angels to the school I briefly taught at in Brooklyn, or sending them to a charter school, they would be in the charter school in a ny minute. As it was, I didn't need to make that decision, but I can't fault parents who do. Philosophically, I don't approve of the charter school movement but I wouldn't risk my kids to make the point.
she keeps her eye
Only one...That explains alot.
a few years back there was a hue and cry over government minsters sending their children to private schools
I really didn't understand the teabagger's point of showing the dead at a Nazi concentration camp to campaign against health care reform.
Of course, the teabaggers aren't known for their intelligence...
billy b
that alone should be enough to discredit them and anyone associated forever.
"Boner's up..."
back from his cigarette, the house enveloped in a glow of orange.
Obama wants to take men's purses oh noes!!
He'll get my European handbag out of my cold, dead hands.
teh Orange Boner
And Kato!!!
(ta, duh, duh, duh, ta, da, da!!!)
Let's say that's right. Why is that? Can't it be repaired? Those administrators are not faculty. They are government appointees, generally.
Again, 50 states, 50 different answers. In Texas, no one is a "government appointee." They are all employees of an independent school district.
The School Board is elected, and oversees the administration, but the Administration does the hiring and firing of administrators. How good they are, is up to the board, the parents, and the district itself.
Way too many differences to be able to generalize about how "everybody" does public education in this country. And private education is not necessarily better than public; just more expensive.
My daughter was in private school for 8 years, is how I know.
"why are you so rude? shame on you!"
Diane Abbot got a lot of flak for it I seem to remember
We are debating the charter school QL. It's an art focused school, and the 5 year old is very artistically inclined. We have a very good public school too. It's considered the best in the county.
Hehe Rangel is spanking him!
The problem with charter schools is that they suggest they're fixing a problem that isn't there: poor administration.
What's their solution to that? Paying administrators less...nothing else.
This is good. Rangel v. Boehner.
More, please.
No way: she keeps her eye on the ball at all times.
NTodd
well then, a hair shirt or something equally befitting.
hair-panties???
I really didn't understand the teabagger's point of showing the dead at a Nazi concentration camp to campaign against health care reform.
They are trolls who throw up a disturbing image simply because it is disturbing. It's pavlovian: has no logical point, but associates the bill with the horror of genocide in a graphic fashion. Shameless crap.
He'll get my European handbag out of my cold, dead hands.
NTodd
That's the Vermont version. The red state one is "He'll get my gum'nt subsidy out of my cold, dead hands".
I want the Democrats from the North East to start blocking bills that send our money to Republican states. I'm tired of sending money to people who badmouth us.
"This is good. Rangel v. Boehner."
please report. tried to get remote from wife..
she *growled*.
I really didn't understand the teabagger's point of showing the dead at a Nazi concentration camp to campaign against health care reform.
Of course, the teabaggers aren't known for their intelligence...
billy b
that alone should be enough to discredit them and anyone associated forever.
tom-ah-to
Using the picture of those tortured, mutilated, murdered, defiled people to make cheap political points?
In a sane country, that would have been enough to end all debate.
Shorter Rangel:
You've been here long enough to know how the process works, so shut up.
musta dozed off. again.
coffee?
The Seductions of Proximity to Power
Rangel v. Boehner
OK, so I almost regret giving up TV now.
The children of government ministers must go to posh schools, are they will turn into chavs, innit?
The ground can't cause a fumble.
Why can't the Brooklyn kids go to the Lincoln Center school, then? Why can't the money and faculty available in midtown Manhattan be spread out a little to include schools in the other boroughs?
Because the system is unfair and is tilted towards the interests of rich people. Even the students/parents of Bronx Science face idiotic unaccountable meddling by the chancellor. And in the small rural system where we lived, the priorities of the administration were hiring cousins and football, not necessarily in that order. I don't see a command structure centralized school bureaucracy as a fundamental democratic value.
I really didn't understand the teabagger's point of showing the dead at a Nazi concentration camp to campaign against health care reform.
IT'S (NATIONAL) SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!
Of course, it was corporate interests in the form of IG Farben, Flick and Krupp involved...CORPORATE HEALTHCARE KILLS AND ENSLAVES!
Hey tom-ah-to:
Let's Call the Whole Thing Off
heh.
Again, 50 states, 50 different answers. In Texas, no one is a "government appointee." They are all employees of an independent school district.
The School Board is elected, and oversees the administration, but the Administration does the hiring and firing of administrators. How good they are, is up to the board, the parents, and the district itself.
RMJ, I agree that fifty states have fifty different (or more) approaches to this.
But look what you wrote: The School Board is elected. They "oversee" the administration. How does an administrator become an administrator? By means of the School Board, which is elected, no?
That's what I said. In many cases, and apparently, if I understand correctly what you wrote, in your case of Texas, administrators are appointed by elected officials, which is how I described it earlier. If I am not understanding something, fair enough, but I think what you described and what I described are the same thing.
Rangel v. Boehner
OK, so I almost regret giving up TV now.
Anthony McCarthy
Iz on intertubes.
I don't see a command structure centralized school bureaucracy as a fundamental democratic value.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
When they do what we want them to, it is!
(And I've yet to see a school district, even in "liberal" Austin, Texas, that didn't favor the rich over the poor, or the white over the darker browns.)
The children of government ministers must go to posh schools, are they will turn into chavs, innit?
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 11.07.09 - 4:53 pm | #
lol well it looks bad, sends a message that the school in their area is crap, which may be true but its bad PR
smoke
Come sit over here by me. Also roll one up.
In corner having deja vu. I swear we have this charter school argument every six months.
And in the small rural system where we lived, the priorities of the administration were hiring cousins and football, not necessarily in that order.
You left out milking as much money out of the district as possible.
Cloak off
I wouldn't send my kids to any of the schools I taught at (except for my current one) but what that says to me is -
There has been a systematic drain of parents with the social capital to get things done out of the public school system. This started with "white flight" and we all know about that...
However, the end result is that public schools end up teaching kids with nowhere else to go. It left me in places like last year, teaching kids with felony assault convictions and parents in prison.
Sure, build a fucking charter - make a profit for someone and siphon even more motivated parents out of the system. It'll make a profit, after all.
Meanwhile the public schools will be there, trying to do more with less and some folk will smugly say "gee, we all know public schools SUCK." And then I will be teaching kids who come to me from homeless shelters.
oh yeah, I already do.
cloak back on
Half the Goopers are screeching that the bill will double Medicare costs and the other half that it will slash it.
Pick your favorite lie!
The problem with charter schools is that they suggest they're fixing a problem that isn't there: poor administration.
In many places, that is exactly the problem. Consider what has come out about the Detroit school system in the last year - corrupt, incompetent, unaccountable.
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB...3083427629.html
Iz on intertubes.
sidhra ضيد&# |
My connection is so slow a stereopticon would be faster.
more worrying is corporations being invited to run or fun schools
the so called 'Academy Schools Programme'
"I swear we have this charter school argument every six months."
we never learn.
Using the picture of those tortured, mutilated, murdered, defiled people to make cheap political points?
Of course, that's the main problem with that idiocy.
In a sane country, that would have been enough to end all debate.
I would love to be able to say it is hard to believe, but it isn't. At all.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Some Puke held up a few pages of paper and claimed to was the Puke "heath care plan." It looked so skimpy compared to the robust Democratic plan that I had to laugh out loud.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
In corner having deja vu. I swear we have this charter school argument every six months.
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
And still the illusion persists and the intellectual dishonesty that comes from stating, de facto, that we are not all in this together and fuck you.
Blodge,
Well said.
Truth.
Half the Goopers are screeching that the bill will double Medicare costs and the other half that it will slash it.
So we'll break even?
heh.
billy b
very funny... but that tomato with the teeth likes an awful lot like michelle bachmann to me
I don't see a command structure centralized school bureaucracy as a fundamental democratic value.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
Waitasec. You can have local control of the schools (no bureaucracy) but you have global control of the resources. The local army base has a commander; but what commander and what resources go to that base is decided by someone much higher up.
This isn't rocket science. People have dealt with this sort of thing before. Same principle as the old California state university system. It doesn't have to be a monolithic bureaucracy, but there does have to be a just method of allocating resources so that everyone gets a fair shot at a damn good education, and there is no geographic (within the state, anyway) restriction on who gets to use what school.
Love you Uncle Blodge.
I would love to be able to say it is hard to believe, but it isn't. At all.
billy b
Well, I took it very personally.
For all I know, it could be my grandparents in that pile of corpses. Or aunts or uncles.
very funny... but that tomato with the teeth likes an awful lot like michelle bachmann to me
Well, that would put fellatio off the table now, wouldn't it?
Thanks for the report from the trenches, Uncle Blodge.
(bows deeply to the distinguished educator in Philadelphia, or thereabouts)
One more thing
schools exist to replicate the society that created them
always have
so tell me what the move towards charters says about Obama's America
oh - and fuck Arnie Duncan
he would have been acceptable to Bush, you know
I have about twenty minutes left of peace before the rest of my out of state family descends again: I think I will commune with nature for a while
Good discussion but you really have to ask yourself what is it you want from the schools - and then devise a means of getting it without punishing others.
(And charter schools are not the answer to any question other than, How can we keep teachers' salaries down most effectively?)
TKK,
No: this guy.
res ipsa loquitur
---------
Max Keiser is my new favorite speaker on the finance industry.
I want to see him on every single Cable TV show on the planet.
In the St. Paul schools, almost 75% of the kids are non-white. And almost half have ESL. 2/3s get free/reduced lunch. 90% of them bus, which is the highest level in the country (also tells you more about the poverty of the kids they try and educate). And, by law, the public schools have to serve kids that are special ed, which private and charter schools are NOT required to do.
There are just some kids that charter schools won't touch because there's no money to be made.
Half the Goopers are screeching that the bill will double Medicare costs and the other half that it will slash it.
So we'll break even?
No, no, we'll loose our freeance.
ms f.
i'll twist one if you'll give me a summary of the afternoons happenings in twenty words of less.
closer?
Half the Goopers are screeching that the bill will double Medicare costs and the other half that it will slash it.
So we'll break even?
No no, it will double costs and halve benefits!
Because -- well, no one's bothered to explain why that would happen, actually. Unless "boogah boogah!" is considered by wingers to be an explanation.
I gotta get back to sponge diving (= finding good things to say about my students applying to top schools, and when there is something not optimal that needs to be said, trying to do so fairly and without malice.)
This isn't rocket science. People have dealt with this sort of thing before. Same principle as the old California state university system. It doesn't have to be a monolithic bureaucracy, but there does have to be a just method of allocating resources so that everyone gets a fair shot at a damn good education, and there is no geographic (within the state, anyway) restriction on who gets to use what school.
David Derbes, optimistic | 11.07.09 - 4:58 pm | #
In fact, the way that most charter school systems work is that there is a formula for per-kid costs.
In a sane country, that would have been enough to end all debate.
I would love to be able to say it is hard to believe, but it isn't. At all.
billy b
I think if we dicided to get amped up enough about this - not let it go - write, talk, e-mail, pressure the peope we can this would not go away any time soon and in the end we might discredit for all time those politicians associated with this monstrous extremely hateful discourse that is not some random protestor but a reflection of what bachmann says every day
I have officially decided that the United States Congress has enough Democrats in it as of this moment.
No more are needed.
The voters of the Democratic party now need to concentrate on improving quality instead.
But look what you wrote: The School Board is elected. They "oversee" the administration. How does an administrator become an administrator? By means of the School Board, which is elected, no?
No. Only the Superintendent of the District is hired by the School Board. The other administrators are approved by the Board, but hired by the Superintendent. The Board rubberstamps, IOW.
In no way are those administrators "appointees." I realize it seems a small point of difference, but it is a difference, nonetheless. They are not appointed for a term, but hired by the district. Personnel decisions are approved by the board (certain positions, of course, not janitors and secretaries), but except for the Superintendent, the decision to make an offer is made by the administration, even for teachers.
Spocko,
I loves him. I do! I do!
I want a bureaucrat to stand between me and my doctor, 'cause she's a lady who won't let me rest.
smoke
More of the same. Politicians bloviating. Putting lipstick on a pig.
was markos a dadt vet?
tom-ah-to -
I just mailed my newly elected Dem rep that is not going to vote for HCR and didn't vote for the stimulus bill.
I am not happy with the prick.
I want a stock analyst and a CEO's wealth management adviser to stand between me and my doctor.
Spocko,
I loves him. I do! I do!
res ipsa loquitu
0---------
I put up that video on Spocko's Brain just now. That is a hot video.
has there been a vote yet?
Thanks, RMJ, for the clarification.
"The voters of the Democratic party now need to concentrate on improving quality instead."
yes.
fuck u haloscan
has there been a vote yet?
General Zod
yes, you're off the island. sorry.
thank you
dammit
thank you
for smoking?
Meanwhile, from over in the corner, I would like to ask where the passion that we just witnessed from all of you is wrt education and this administration.
How about all of those congress people?
The only one who seemed to have the passion shown here today died.
When are we going to do something about it?
I gotta get back to sponge diving (= finding good things to say about my students applying to top schools, and when there is something not optimal that needs to be said, trying to do so fairly and without malice.)
David Derbes, optimistic
================
As a student who would have surely benefited from your sponge diving please keep up the good work.
(I got an award that my high school guideance counselor dug up for me because I didn't fit into any of the usual categories. To this day I love him for it. So don't think that your sponge diving students don't appreciate it. I know I did.
LLAP to you.
"The voters of the Democratic party now need to concentrate on improving quality instead."
yes.
jdw
Raccoons.
DEMOCRATIC raccoons.
billy b we're about to make stew
what's your receipt?
These f*'n wingnuts talk about the loss of "freedom" if HCR is passed.
The only "freedom" being lost is in some sense the same thing as the "equality" spoken of by Anatole France; "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." What "freedom" of medical access does a poor person have?
jac
I am not happy with the prick.
billy b
that's awesome - I'm a letter witing fool myself - esp to msm outlets - I read somewhere that snail mail counts for more in the minds of the people you are trying to talk to so every couple of months I go crazy and stuff a letter or 7 in the mail - I know I'm probably pissing into the wind but it's kinda' satisfying
LLAP, Spocko, scourge of hate radio jocks!
jac
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
I disagree.
feel anythang yet?
The point is to feel nothing. Comfortably numb.
(Danny Davis, up now, is a good guy.)
billy b we're about to make stew
what's your receipt?
ErinPDX |
Stupakit?
The only "freedom" being lost is in some sense the same thing as the "equality" spoken of by Anatole France; "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." What "freedom" of medical access does a poor person have?
David Derbes, optimistic
We pay for the bridges they sleep under. What more are we supposed to pay for?
Oh, and waiting for healthcare is only a problem when it affects ME (i.e., the middle class). If poor people have to wait at ER's for healthcare, well...it doesn't affect me!
Nobody has yet claimed a share of the 100m-euro (£90m) EuroMillions jackpot won by two British tickets on Friday.
Operator Camelot said that by Saturday evening there had been "no valid claims" of the UK's largest ever lottery prizes of £45,570,835.50.
If one person, rather than a syndicate, owns either ticket it will also be the UK's biggest ever individual win.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
8347967.stm
Apropos of nothing but that he's speaking, I love hearing Danny Davis. He sounds like God.
numb yet?
"DEMOCRATIC raccoons."
grey dogs!
no,
SOMEONE said 'raccoon.'
want a sip of freshly brewed coffee?
If poor people have to wait at ER's for healthcare, well...it doesn't affect me!
Rmj, Pentecostal Theologist
[winger] Well, see, they've got the time and no place to go.
It's not like they have jobs or anything.
Erin's got mail.
Should I continue my two-day drinking binge, or go to the gym?
It's dark and cold out, if that factors into the decision.
I sometimes wish I were comfortably numb. I am generally uncomfortably outraged.
time, thy pyramids.
Life may have been built on a foundation of cyanide formed in the fiery wakes of asteroids plunging through Earth's atmosphere, high-speed impact experiments suggest.
Earth was probably not born with much in the way of organic material – the complex molecules containing carbon that life requires. It formed too close to the sun for such compounds to condense from the swirling primordial disc of gas and dust.
no,
SOMEONE said 'raccoon.'
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass | 11.07.09 - 5:13 pm | #
A beaver with eye shadow.
Moe
Can you do both?
I say both.
No coffee, thanks.
Sorry...had to run off and rub my wife's feet.
Should I continue my two-day drinking binge, or go to the gym?
It's dark and cold out, if that factors into the decision.
Moe Szyslak
Drink at the gym?
AWWWWW.
I could drink *after* the gym. But fuck I'm tired. Napped all day, too.
jac owes me.
ewwww. that feels good.
just owe me for a while.
a gym-bar
i'm sure its already been invented
from c&l...
Darcy Burner, the leader of the Progressive Caucus Policy Foundation says that if the Stupak amendment passes, progressives should vote down the health care bill in the House.
Burner: It means that women who find they have cancer while they are pregnant won't get the choice of how to proceed, but those choices will instead be made by politicians in Washington, DC whose lives aren't the ones who are being destroyed. The idea that we would throw women under the bus in the process of doing health care reform is completely unacceptable
What "freedom" of medical access does a poor person have?
David Derbes, optimistic |
He is free from Dr. Mengele!
I really didn't understand the teabagger's point of showing the dead at a Nazi concentration camp to campaign against health care reform.
Paging Dr. Mengele! If you could plumb the depths of a wingnut's mind, you probably wouldn't need a deep sea submersible. Just a three inch length of string and a fishing weight.
I know I'm probably pissing into the wind but it's kinda' satisfying
Well if nothing else, it's cathartic.
Sorry...had to run off and rub my wife's feet.
AndyG, still nothing
You are a very fine fellow.
No, no, we'll loose our freeance.
Fuck. I just finally received my custom-fit freeance boots from welfare, along with customized freeance speakers for my limo.
a gym-bar
i'm sure its already been invented
Moonbootica
The gym I went to in California had a small bar, to hang out and drink after working out.
Moe
Turn on the SAD lights! STAT!
Free Market Defenders Rally As Communist Threat Of Increased Business For Health Insurers Looms
lovers of freedom warn against frightening possibility of compassion for neglected children
New Evidence Government Subsidised Insurance Causes Disruption In Molecular Integrity Of Entire Universe And Disruption Of Weak Nuclear Force
.
go elk hunting.
billy b thanks!
Should I continue my two-day drinking binge, or go to the gym?
hmm, can't do both?
gym
omg - Vodka Warehouse Forklift Fail
Should I continue my two-day drinking binge, or go to the gym?
Compromise. Go for a walk, and take a beer in a paper bag with you.
"Should I continue my two-day drinking binge, or go to the gym?"
i'd go drunk, and then just sit behind the stairmasters and gawk at nice butts.
We pay for the bridges they sleep under. What more are we supposed to pay for?
Infrastructure? So the bridges don't collapse on them whilst they sleep?
OMG Moon.
I'm listening to Corey Hart right now. Par-tay.
19,000 gallon martini?
Can you do both?
I say both.
ms fahrenheit
Drink at the gym?
jac, satyrical
jac owes me.
ms fahrenheit
hmm, can't do both?
ludkmr
See, Ms F? See the difference?
You are owed by Olde King Lud, there. Not me. Not the same thing.
Just finished watching "Angels and Insects."
Some fine acting, beautiful scenery and nice clothes, but some pretty strong subject matter.
Uh-oh, GOP found the handcuff provision.
If they uncover the blindfold and feather provisions, they'll never let it go.
Bite me, jac.
Erin -
[mwah!]
Hmmm...Keith Ellison's gonna vote 'yes'. He wanted something stronger, so this is a bit surprising.
19,000 gallon martini?
sidhra
"We're gonna need a bigger olive."
My name is being erased by haloscam.
Speaking of posh schools, Howard Dean went to one. They don't ruin everyone.
I'm listening to Corey Hart right now. Par-tay.
I'm watching season one of "Homicide: LIfe on The Street." I'd forgotten how funny this show is. Even so, a little Munch goes a looooooooong-ass way.
i'd go drunk, and then just sit behind the stairmasters and gawk at nice butts.
jdw
I second this. But could you bring over a bottle of wine on your way so I don't have to get off my nice butt?
When is this fucking vote going to happen?
gvt takeover?
god, i hope so....
OK, I'll just have a quick run, then come back and drink.
I'm watching season one of "Homicide: LIfe on The Street." I'd forgotten how funny this show is. Even so, a little Munch goes a looooooooong-ass way.
Man...I've gotta watch that show again. Bet Zapette would like it (big fan of 'The Wire').
"I second this. But could you bring over a bottle of wine on your way so I don't have to get off my nice butt?"
r u kidding? i have seen the cucumber...
These f*'n wingnuts talk about the loss of "freedom" if HCR is passed.
Disgusting the way they throw words like "freedom" and "liberty" around.
When is this fucking vote going to happen?
ms fahrenheit
Never! Bwahahahahaha!
When is this fucking vote going to happen?
ms fahrenheit
Wait. Usually, we just sort of give each other that look. We have to take a vote now?
r u kidding? i have seen the cucumber...
jdw |
Come over with wine and I'll let you touch it
Socialized medicine quicker than you can say Mao Zedong.
hiya, verse
oklahoma.
go away.
r u kidding? i have seen the cucumber...
jdw |
Come over with wine and I'll let you touch it
Inaverse
* AHEM * I believe this constitutes flirting.
Socialized medicine quicker than you can say Mao Zedong.
sidhra ضيد&# |
Mousie Dung?
Disgusting the way they throw words like "freedom" and "liberty" around.
Terry C, Loves A. Grayson-
They not only have their own facts, they have their own definitions as well.
Wish they'd take 'em to their own planet so we humans can get on with things.
hiya, verse
smoke |
Spawn of a new nym!
Man...I've gotta watch that show again. Bet Zapette would like it (big fan of 'The Wire').
Yeah. It definitely shares that sensibility.
And Melissa Leo is great.
"Come over with wine and I'll let you touch it"
i'll touch yours if you'll touch mine.
Wish they'd take 'em to their own planet so we humans can get on with things.
Lindsay
"Golgafrincham Ark B loaded and ready for departure, sir."
(big fan of 'The Wire')
Still bumming that I missed a panel at Harvard last weekend that featured Kima. Bubbles, and Omar. Gotta read the "Weekend" section a little more carefully...
Getting ready to haul the gear to Durham for a rock show and am thinking of what to say about today's debate to a couple of hundred somewhat drunken members of the 20-45 demographic.
Something short and snappy. Any ideas?
When is this fucking vote going to happen?
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
house rules require all possible teevee talking points and banalities to be pronounced before a vote can be taken
.
Socialized medicine quicker than you can say Mao Zedong.
Where's my fucking standard issue hat and jacket, then?
* AHEM * I believe this constitutes flirting.
jac
Bring over some wine and we can discuss it
my dad is on the final season DVD of the Wire
I wonder if her little pamphlet constitution has life liberty and the pursuit of happiness in it like that other republican guy's.
The mood in this room changed quickly.
of course Homicide: Life On The Streets and The Wire share the same creator
Has anyone else here read "The Kindly Ones" the new novel from the perspective of an SS Officer wending through virtually the entire German history of WW2?
I can't decide if this is a stunt or a masterpiece.
Ina
I believe you are being greedy.
Maybe if we chant Mao Zedong over and over we'll get socialized medicine. It might be worth a try.
goopers are sooooo full of shit.
Wait. Usually, we just sort of give each other that look. We have to take a vote now?
Well, the woman *DOES* have the pocket-veto option...
I am behaving.
i'll touch yours if you'll touch mine.
jdw
Well, of course!
The mood in this room changed quickly.
closer?
Ina
I believe you are being greedy.
ms fahrenheit
You misspelled "persistent."
"Bring over some wine and we can discuss it."
((((racing against jac to get wherever the fuck ina is)))))
well, i've worked out, and got the bank to order me some new checks. my lifes work is done.
now, if i could only find the remote.
Still bumming that I missed a panel at Harvard last weekend that featured Kima. Bubbles, and Omar.
It's funny how many of those actors turned up on other shows (funny in: almost all of them). Such a great cast.
house rules require all possible teevee talking points and banalities to be pronounced before a vote can be taken
Same idea as the two minute warning.
I am behaving.
ms fahrenheit
Bring over some wine and you can mis...
I think we all should wait until we have a fake celebration for the fake healthcare bill.
"Well, of course!"
...and i take it you have fingerpaints?
Bring over some wine and you can mis...
That spoils my demeanor.
Bastard!
http://www.comcast.net/articles/.../US.Baby.Grace/
our Tory MP is stepping down at the next election - CONSERVATIVES have chosen their first ever woman parliamentary candidate Claire Perry to contest the Devizes seat currently held by Michael Ancram who is retiring after 19 years as the Devizes MP and a political career spanning more than 30 years in parliament.
Mrs Perry, a 45 year old mother of three, was chosen by members of the Devizes Constituency Conservative Association out of six candidates put before them on Sunday night at the Memorial Hall at Marlborough College.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.u...e_Devizes_seat/
That spoils my demeanor.
Randomfactor
Then we have an understanding.
((((racing against jac to get wherever the fuck ina is)))))
jdw
No hurry - I've got to manufacture an excuse to explain why I have a sudden appointment in New England.
That might take a while.
...and i take it you have fingerpaints?
jdw
Terry C
You ruined the mood.
"No hurry - I've got to manufacture an excuse to explain why I have a sudden appointment in New England."
the cucumber, the cucumber!
crikey - Mrs Perry, who will be contesting her first parliamentary seat, told the Gazette: "I am looking forward to moving my family home into the constituency."
She was educated at Nailsea comprehensive school and went on to read Geography at Oxford, before taking an MBA at Harvard. Before working for George Osborne, she worked at Credit Suisse First Boston, McKinsey and Bank of America.
She has been a conservative party member since 2006 and is chairman of her local branch at Broadchalke.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.u...e_Devizes_seat/
How much do you want to bet that large swaths of any progress that Democrats get on health care are declared unconstitutional by the Republican-fascist majority on the Supreme Court?
Wish they'd take 'em to their own planet so we humans can get on with things.
Lindsay, pitchfork populist
I'd be glad to chip in for their transportation.
Stupak (n.) The goody bag of "toys" you pack for a trip on the Appalachian trail or the local cemetery.
Czar! Planned Parenthood! ACORN! THE BOGEYMANNNNNNNNN!!!!!
The mood in this room changed quickly.
ms fahrenheit
If you mean me, and you're disappointed, let me apologize and explain: I'm housebound with two sick cranky kids.
Wine would be ambrosia at this point.
Conyers bringing up single payer, like it is a weak, old idea.
"How much do you want to bet that large swaths of any progress that Democrats get on health care are declared unconstitutional by the Republican-fascist majority on the Supreme Court?"
we'll pack the court!
he Republican-fascist majority on the Supreme Court
I'd be banned for what I wish for them.
fuck the cucumber, where's my cornbread?
Ina
Don't mind me. I'm being a brat. Have fun.
Is it just me, or has the stack of paper the Rethugs are using to represent the bill gotten bigger as the day has gone on?
the cucumber, the cucumber!
jdw
Yes, but we have cucumbers in the refrigerator. Unless a raccoon sneaks into the kitchen and makes a salad in the next few minutes, that won't work.
ok, where is it i need to go?
i can pick up a few cases of wine on the way.
And as the historice "debate" over healthcare reform continues in the House, the top story at Yahoo.com is...
Kitchen gadgets that save you money
I'd be banned for what I wish for them.
Terry C, Loves A. Grayson-
If I wasn't so tired I'd think of a rebus.
Stupak (n.) The goody bag of "toys" you pack for a trip on the Appalachian trail or the local cemetery.
trifecta
fuck the cucumber, where's my cornbread?
smoke
In the ziploc bag on the counter.
But I used the recipe that calls for sugar.
I think it is cool that Donna Edwards is up there now.
fuck the cucumber, where's my cornbread?
I wish Toby had said that, I'd offer him a gherkin.
Just turned it on.
Repubs seem....dishonest and inflammatory
I am so sick of the thugs.
gromit
will you talk to me while Ina gets her groove back. I feel like a voyeur.
Andy -
The Harvard gig was preserved as a podcast, if you're so inclined:
http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/phlo...at-
harvard.aspx
fuck the cucumber, where's my cornbread?
smoke
Made some this morning instead of biscuits. And the chicken soup I made for supper is delicious
Fuck the POX where is my falafel ambush
Just turned it on.
Repubs seem....dishonest and inflammatory
Gromit | 11.07.09 - 5:39 pm
Sun continues to set in the west too.
"Repubs seem....dishonest and inflammatory"
i dunno why they all need to talk, seeing as the just say the same shit over and over.
"How much do you want to bet that large swaths of any progress that Democrats get on health care are declared unconstitutional by the Republican-fascist majority on the Supreme Court?"
we'll pack the court!
jdw
Stupakit!
What possible challenge on constitutional grounds would fly? I really can't think of one. They'd have to go after Social Security and Medicare as well striking down years of legal precedent and res judicata. of course they'd love to, but that wouldn't be legislating from the bench, now would it?
"will you talk to me while Ina gets her groove back. I feel like a voyeur."
ru on the way?
ina, i might be a tad late.
Rangel sounds like he's from New Yawk
I wish Toby had said that, I'd offer him a gherkin.
Like dropping a coin in a deep well
I would pay P Diddy to come and dress these guys.
'Afternoon, friends.
Mrs. Blues is away, leaving me and the Surly Teenager to fend for ourselves until Tuesday.
jdw
Did you shave your beard or something?
war on terror seattle edition:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/
4...shooting07.html
Repubs seem....dishonest and inflammatory
Gromit | 11.07.09 - 5:39 pm
Sun continues to set in the west too.
sidhra
That's some of that there liberal snark
"Did you shave your beard or something?"
i'm sooooo there.
But I used the recipe that calls for sugar.
jac
Taxes! Illegals! Out of wedlock!
I wish Toby had said that, I'd offer him a gherkin.
Anthony McCarthy
Ew....I saw his photo on Facebook.
"Constipated" comes to mind.
That made me LOL.
they are ugly bags of mostly tea
.
Taxes! Illegals! Out of wedlock!
Gromit
Teh gaiiiiiiiiiiiii!
laundry.
save my seat . . .
but that wouldn't be legislating from the bench, now would it?
Capt. James T. Quirk
Like what they did on gender discrimination, discrimination against the disabled, and a dozen other things.
And Roberts is just there to be an umpire, too.
The nice thing about the judiciary is the actually know the difference between the preamble to the constitution and some cherry-picked grafs from the DoI. Boner would get slapped down so fast he wouldn't have time to stupak his underwear for the ride.
Rep Edwards looks snappy and brainy. Nice to see someone wearing other than the Suit of the CLones
But I used the recipe that calls for sugar.
jac
Inaverse
I think it's funny that I go months without making cornbread, then make it twice in the last week, and both times you did too.
Quit copying me.
Can't help it. The shallowness and dishonesty of the minority presentation has been amazing.
Can I also say without getting flamed that the african american women in the house are the only ones who have a sense of style?
I can't watch anymore of these GOP gasbags unless one of their heads explodes, a la "Videodrome." (About to recline with my hard-to-procure copy of Bill Simmons' "Basketball Book." Yay, me!
I think I owe Gromit a drink and I don't know what he drinks.
How could this be possible?
carl perkins
jimi
stick with the jimi, he was so cute.
what a badass.
Can I also say without getting flamed that the african american women in the house are the only ones who have a sense of style?
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
You'll force a certain little troll out of hiding to lecture you on your liberal racism.
ms fahrenheit, I wish to defend Ms. Pelosi for her sense of style.
But Donna Edwards definitely looks good.
Can I also say without getting flamed that the african american women in the house are the only ones who have a sense of style?
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
You don't like Peter King's sense of style?
Ms Pelosi lost me when her face stopped moving.
GOP sources saying GOP deliberately stalling vote tho they know they'll lose in order to say it was "passed in middle of night."
IN-surance! Submit! Gov't! Spittle!
bye for now
Can I also say without getting flamed that the african american women in the house are the only ones who have a sense of style?
What, you didn't like the Texas guy's Lone Star Tie? I think he wore it for his trip to Vegas that he couldn't take because of the meanie meanie Democrats.
Ms Pelosi lost me when her face stopped moving.
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
Good point.
But she could still give me her wardrobe.
Kitchen gadgets that save you money
dave™©
Pfft - I've been driving an old beater for years.
And Roberts is just there to be an umpire, too.
Anthony McCarthy
I'd have to look at his other opinions before he got on the bench to really figure where he comes down on the General Welfare clause, and that is a hotly contested issue but they are often constrained by their previous decisions. They have been dismantling much of the progress of the Warren Court, but usually it has been in the areas you cite and the rights of the accused. The rulings on Eminent Domain indicate that they have also expanded the role of the government in some areas.
How is it that repubs say the dems are angry?
Oh, right. Projection.
You'll force a certain little troll out of hiding to lecture you on your liberal racism. Deacon Blues
But she's only thinking what we're all saying!
Mrs. Blues is away, leaving me and the Surly Teenager to fend for ourselves until Tuesday.
GARBAGE ANGELS!!!
stanford is beating the ducks?
Ms Pelosi lost me when her face stopped moving.
She lost me when her face said impeachment was off the table.
Quit copying me.
jac
Would that I could copy more than your cornbread (unclear attempt at compliment).
Dependence! Govt COntrol! Bait and Switch! Bureaucrats! Billions! Aliens! Destroy Freedom! Rationing!
the version i remember from my youth
She lost me when her face said impeachment was off the table.
JeffCO
[standing ovation]
But she could still give me her wardrobe."
she could give it to me, and i could be a nancy.
GARBAGE ANGELS!!!
dave™©
Hey, they made the playoffs!
The rulings on Eminent Domain indicate that they have also expanded the role of the government in some areas.
Capt. James T. Quirk
It was the liberals on the court who voted for that ruling on takings, wasn't it?
I wouldn't put anything past the fascist majority on the court. They stole an election, they're going to hand the vote to the highest bidder. The Supreme Court will emerge as the biggest danger to democracy in the country unless there are at least two vacancies among the fascists in the next few months.
Maybe Bachmann will follow face stop...one can hope yahkno
Donna Edwards is sorta hot.
Oooh, "Orwellian!"
she could give it to me, and i could be a nancy.
jdw
Better than being a herbert, I suppose.
Dependence! Govt COntrol! Bait and Switch! Bureaucrats! Billions! Aliens! Destroy Freedom! Rationing!
Gromit
2000 pages!!!1!
She lost me when her face said impeachment was off the table.
How very shrill you are!
'Health Choices Administration' is Orwellian? Good thing these clowns are unfamiliar with my all time great, non-euphemistic government service - teh OLD AGE PENSION.
T'ain't Orwellian - it's just a pension for old people. And, in about five years, I'm looking forward to it.
she could give it to me, and i could be a nancy.
jdw
Or a Julie Annie
Super Bureaucrat with Super Powers! Fear! Unprecedented! Who's under the bed? THE BOGEYMAN!!!!!!
Stupak (n.): The medical premium woman pay for refusing to be male.
"Or a Julie Annie"
HA!
How very shrill you are! dave™©
What's wrong with me?!?
Pull the string on the GOP Action Doll and it walks around going "I OBJECT, I OBJECT, I OBJECT, I OBJECT"
Super Bureaucrat with Super Powers! Fear! Unprecedented!
Like that doesn't already describe most peoples' encounters with insurance companies.
Shoulda been "inaction doll", my apologies.
Has anyone noticed that the repubs all look kinda pasty and male?
I lost the ability to take any Republicans at all seriously when Bob Dole effervesced over Britney Spears.
Well, I do take them seriously when they openly advocate the violent overthrow of the US government, but since that's only a crime when liberals express concern for blatantly unconstitutional behavior, I guess it doesn't really matter.
Yes, I finally have a plan. Five more years in Federal service, followed by retirement to someplace lovely in BC or Alta, and then, death. Okay?
(I've just finished plugging up access points in the room invested by ratz - my fingers are sticky with industrial grade adhesives, cut by the sharp edges of metal flashing, but if any ratz can get thru any of those areas they'll be too damned thin to make any difference.)
Has anyone noticed that the repubs all look kinda pasty and male?
Gromit
No more old white men!
Super Bureaucrat with Super Powers! Fear! Unprecedented!
Like that doesn't already describe most peoples' encounters with insurance companies.
Anthony McCarthy
All of which ends at Medicare eligibility.
Let's give it up for George Miller!
(It's the Muppet Show!)
Anthony, the court has always been like that. It moves ahead two paces and then they play musical chairs with appointments and they step back one pace. But I'm not too concerned about constitutional challenges to any attempt to enact health care legislation. If they had the ammunition, they'd not be fighting this hard to prevent the legislation, and the hyperbolic rhetoric they've employed makes me think the court wouldn't even think such a challenge is certworthy to any challenge. It would make the court look incredibly stupid. Some wingnuts wil try it but I just don't think it will fly. I'm just an amateur observer but that's my take.
Are you trying to tell us you got a different job, GWPDA?
GWPDA-- Do you still have rodentz?
Has anyone noticed that the repubs all look kinda pasty and male
Elmers Bull
Excellent, A. McCarthy, rmj.
Has anyone noticed that the repubs all look kinda pasty and male?
Gromit
It just dawned on me why Boehner became a person of color.
osu 17 penn state 7
1:41 3rd quarter.
If they had the ammunition, they'd not be fighting this hard to prevent the legislation, and the hyperbolic rhetoric they've employed makes me think the court wouldn't even think such a challenge is certworthy to any challenge. It would make the court look incredibly stupid. Some wingnuts wil try it but I just don't think it will fly. I'm just an amateur observer but that's my take.
Capt. James T. Quirk
There's no real basis for the court to overrule health care (why not Medicare, while you're at it?, or the VA? or SCHIP, etc., etc., etc.). And after Bush v. Gore, the court is not about to tell the people what they have to accept, again, anytime soon.
So they won't even look for a reason. IMHO.
Are you talking to yourself?
(I've just finished plugging up access points in the room invested by ratz - my fingers are sticky with industrial grade adhesives, cut by the sharp edges of metal flashing, but if any ratz can get thru any of those areas they'll be too damned thin to make any difference.)
GWPDA
We just finished watching "Ratatouille."
laundry is hard work
We just finished watching "Ratatouille."
Good flick, what?
Be sure to watch the extra features, esp the one about world history and the rat.
It just dawned on me why Boehner became a person of color.
Constipation?
Let's give it up for George Miller!
That's my rep! Nice guy!
Pull the string on the GOP Action Doll and it walks around going "I OBJECT, I OBJECT, I OBJECT, I OBJECT"
Barry from Alaska
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?
v=DtMV44yoXZ0
Gromit, they are in teh attic. My objective is that they do not come into teh house, except to the locations where there are nasty, awful killing traps. Once all have exeunted in those directions, but no farther, my contractor and I shall embark on the adventure of a lifetime - sealing the house against vermin. Then, of course, I shall leave for Hawaii, rent the property to an unsuspecting friend, and return in five years to sell it and make a large profit.
Gosh, Rep. Miller sure makes it seem like we got it bad here. Hope somebody does something about that.
The GOP and Dems' dithering over reform reminds me of this:
So don't delay, act now, supplies are running out
Allow if you're still alive 6 to 8 years to arrive
And if you swallow there may be a tomorrow
But if the offer's shunned you might as well be walking on the sun.
Mostly cause I'd like to give them all a smash in the mouth.
"Constipation?"
sale on 'tan in a bottle'?
GWPDA, Genius.
Be sure to watch the extra features, esp the one about world history and the rat.
Gromit
Yes, we love the bonus features. Though with tonight's crankiness, the 9yo turned it off as soon as it ended and they're now having a feet war.
And of course, "Ratatouille," makes me want wine
Noting that there had been a lot of “change” of late, Palin recalled a recent conversation with a friend about how the phrase “In God We Trust” had been moved to the edge of the new coins. “Who calls a shot like that?” she demanded. “Who makes a decision like that?” She added: “It’s a disturbing trend.” Unsaid but implied was that the new Democratic White House was behind such a move to secularize the nation’s currency. But the new coins – concerns over which apparently stemmed from an email chain letter widely circulated among conservatives – were commissioned by the Republican-led Congress in 2005 and approved by President Bush.
sale on 'tan in a bottle'?
He thought it said man
It just dawned on me why Boehner became a person of color.
Constipation?
That isn't why he's full of shit...
It was the liberals on the court who voted for that ruling on takings, wasn't it?
"Liberals" compared to what or whom? And that ruling was more in keeping with the views at the time of the framing era than you might think. It was quite common back then and not very controversial. At least on the High Court they actually have a grasp off these things, except for Thomas who is probably just grasping something under his robe and Scalia, who's batshit insane. Scalito is just smaller but crazier Scalia. Thankfully, Rehnquist is still dead.
"And of course, "Ratatouille," makes me want wine"
feeling french?
Is it too late to suggest meanings for Stupak? How about shit for brains?
Excellent, A. McCarthy, rmj.
sidhra
I really don't understand the: "Once you're born, and until you turn 65, you're on your own" attitude.
I simply can't find any rationale for it at all.
Can I also say without getting flamed that the african american women in the house are the only ones who have a sense of style?
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
Certainly no.
Rachel was talking about Virginia Foxx last night....the woman must buy her clothes from a thrift store where they get nothing but 1980s stuff.
I mean, those shoulder pads......
Rmj, I think it's more, "Once you're born, and until you turn 65, your ass belongs to the insurance industry."
I mean, you certainly won't get flamed, ms. f.
Yes, I finally have a plan. Five more years in Federal service, followed by retirement to someplace lovely in BC or Alta, and then, death. Okay?
(I've just finished plugging up access points in the room invested by ratz - my fingers are sticky with industrial grade adhesives, cut by the sharp edges of metal flashing, but if any ratz can get thru any of those areas they'll be too damned thin to make any difference.)
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
you're depressing me.
well, i liked the part about the rats. good luck.
charter communications sucks.
Rmj, I think it's more, "Once you're born, and until you turn 65, your ass belongs to the insurance industry."
Lindsay, pitchfork populist
Well, if you can afford it. If not...sux to be you.
I am still smiling about Kos' beatdown of Tancredo.
The next time you see Tancredo on TV, you won't be able to understand what he says because he'll be choking on his own balls.
It just dawned on me why Boehner became a person of color.
You have to wonder why he chose a color you'd associate with advanced liver failure or really awful furniture from the late, late 1960s and early 70s.
feeling french?
jdw
That depends: are you french?
(comment for ms f.'s benefit)
Gervais and Bits!
Foxxy Lady!
Speaking of Mooselina, I had a choice earlier this afternoon between watching a bio of Palin and a bio of Genghis Khan.
I opted for "Khannnnnnnnnnnnnnn!"
did you bring chips?
Hi, I just walked in.
I'm already hypnotized by the debate on CSPAN
So they won't even look for a reason. IMHO.
Rmj, Pentecostal Theologist
I'm just a rank amateur, but that was my take. It passes, it's over and done with, and even a more "progressive" bill would likely withstand any challenges. The usual 10th amendment crazies will come out of the woodwork, but they don't let those loons go before the court. Thank the FSM.
"That depends: are you french?"
i can be.
Foxxy Lady!
sidhra
Crazy lady.
I was looking in those eyes.
She's crazier than Michelle Bachmann.
smoke, what is Charter doing to you? I have their cable and internet service and they've been pretty good here.
Got to go make sure the chickens all got in to their new pen. Takes them a few days to figure it out.
If this bill so is disastrous, the GOP can always ride it to election and repeal it.
Man, Richard Schiff (sp?) looks as young in The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3 as he did on The West Wing.
I'm already hypnotized by the debate on CSPAN
Culture of TrÜth
"I'm already hypnotized by the debate on CSPAN"
translations, please!!????
Thanks Terry C. She is a special kind of creeper.
Ina
I don't know what to say.
Lindsay
no Vols
The next time you see Tancredo on TV, you won't be able to understand what he says because he'll be choking on his own balls.
The Denver Post ran a "guest" editorial from him this week. In other news, I again politely declined their offer of subscribing to their services.
Goldman Sachs CEO: "I'm Doing God's Work"
Blankfein
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&cp
..........So there you have it,folks.Start beating your keyboards into guillotines.
Gromit, 'enkew.
This has been a bad couple of days. Arthur's neck is still sore. My nerves are shot. Tomorrow is the last day for the 'first cut' for the Hawaii job. I have to wash all my food in Lysol. It's rough.
rats.
they don't pack themselves together, don't take what's not theirs, don't shit where they are not supposed to...
they don't compare...
I'm already hypnotized by the debate on CSPAN
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 11.07.09 - 6:11 pm
If only someone could translate...
Gromit, they are in teh attic. My objective is that they do not come into teh house, except to the locations where there are nasty, awful killing traps. Once all have exeunted in those directions, but no farther, my contractor and I shall embark on the adventure of a lifetime - sealing the house against vermin. Then, of course, I shall leave for Hawaii, rent the property to an unsuspecting friend, and return in five years to sell it and make a large profit.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 11.07.09 - 6:05 pm |
So, you're not renting it to any Atriots, unless they have very large, ratkilling cats?
Nobody suffers more ... still
George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers
smoke, okay, that sux for you.
i can be.
jdw
How come there are no men like this in real life?
"The nutjob from Arkansas yields 90 sewconds to the genital sore from Virginia."
I'm watching season one of "Homicide: LIfe on The Street." I'd forgotten how funny this show is. Even so, a little Munch goes a looooooooong-ass way.
monica_nyc
Two quick things.
1. The H:LOTS episode "Subway" is one of the very best hours on TV that has ever been broadcast. (The West Wing ep that was the season 2 finale, "Two Cathedrals" comes pretty close.) Won all sorts of awards, deservedly.
2. My daughter, the World's Largest "Wire" Fan, last Sunday bumped into nearly the entire crew, who are shooting a new series, "Tremé" (tre-MAY), set in New Orleans post Katrina. "Lester Freamon" bought her breakfast. Tremé
This is a region in the city, just west and north of the French Quarter, around Claiborne Avenue.
CSPAN? Feh.
With Mrs. Blues away I can watch all the movies that she rolls her eyes over. Apocalypse Now Redux, American Beauty, Teh Godfather trilogy, Nashville....
If only someone could translate...
sidhra
Start beating your keyboards into guillotines.
karamojo bell
Hey, as I said before:
The manufacture of the guillotines, tumbrels and gallows would create many jobs.
"She's crazier than Michelle Bachmann."
i don't think so.
i was watching her in committee last night, and she comes off as sane and smart.
when she's on the floor and the cameras are on her, the nut comes out.
Goldman Sachs CEO: "I'm Doing God's Work"
Why do they always stop reading the bible around the part where god says to ensure the death, pain, and suffering of all those who are not yourself?
"With Mrs. Blues away I can watch all the movies that she rolls her eyes over. Apocalypse Now Redux, American Beauty, Teh Godfather trilogy, Nashville...."
i do the same thing. i can crank it.
i was watching her in committee last night, and she comes off as sane and smart.
I disagree.
Listen to Joe.
"There's a credibility issue here..."
Sure is. Every Gooper stands up and yells BRAINZZZZZ.
marsha blackburn seems pretty reasonable
It is not often that a political party puts more than $750,000 behind a candidate in a high-profile Congressional race, only to see the intended beneficiary endorse the opposition.
But that is exactly what happened in the race for New York’s 23rd District, a convoluted contest that turned into an Election Day disaster for the National Republican Congressional Committee.
nyt's goes crazy - acknowledges reallity - yippee
So, you're not renting it to any Atriots, unless they have very large, ratkilling cats?
I'll give a really good rate!
"How come there are no men like this in real life?"
i'm always like this.
you'd find something to tire of, tho.
that's life.
Okay jdw
I thought everyone in the room was barely holding back laughter.
i was watching her in committee last night, and she comes off as sane and smart. when she's on the floor and the cameras are on her, the nut comes out.
I think a lot of them are not acting but are in reality full-blown delusional. So they appear to have completely normal cognitive functioning, but get them onto the topic of their delusion and it's like all neuronal pathways to the frontal lobes are switched off.
I love how Newt said the founding fathers wouldn't approve of Obama but wasn't asked how the founding fathers would have felt that he left his first wife when she had cancer
very large, ratkilling cats
Or rat killing terriers.
smoke
Not numb enough for Marsha.
you'd find something to tire of, tho.
that's life.
jdw
Having never been there, not sure I agree.
osu 24 penn state 7. 9:37 4th.
dman.
I love how Newt said the founding fathers wouldn't approve of Obama
Why doesn't Newt just drop the "n" word?
He WANTS to in the worst way.
"This jobs kills freedom. Now vote for the GOP amendment requiring
members of Congress to enroll in the public option."
i do the same thing. i can crank it.
jdw
That, too.
I'm watching the end of The Royal Tenenbaums now. 
"I thought everyone in the room was barely holding back laughter."
no kidding?
Serious question: Are they gonna vote on this bill tonight?
Feh.
One of these cats would likely catch rats.
no
I love how Newt said the founding fathers wouldn't approve of Obama
They'd approve of 3/5ths of him.
"Serious question: Are they gonna vote on this bill tonight?"
yes, but in the dead of the night.
those sneaky demoncrats!
dah TrÜÜÜÜÜÜthhhh!
Where ya been, podna?
Votes are supposed to come at like 9 pm eastern, I think.
Vote on this bill, the Stupak anti-woman amendment, and the Rethug bill.
sidhra: They'd approve of 3/5ths of him.
4/5ths. Do the math.
This reminds me of the lengthy debate over invading Iraq.
Oh wait no it doesn't.
I'm just a rank amateur, but that was my take. It passes, it's over and done with, and even a more "progressive" bill would likely withstand any challenges. The usual 10th amendment crazies will come out of the woodwork, but they don't let those loons go before the court. Thank the FSM.
Capt. James T. Quirk
I will say, given the historic and contemporary resistance to HCR, and the presence of Medicare long enough now it is a "third rail" which "government should stay out of" (?!?), I'm not sanguine about a "more progressive bill" sometime in the future as the public discovers the wonders of the "public option."
Which will be an option for so few people it will be the equivalent of the long lines at the ER for the uninsured now, and the invisible homeless sleeping under freeway overpasses (which should be a scandal, but isn't). IOW, it won't affect the majority of the middle class, so why will they care?
Or even the example of Katrina. The abject poverty of NO was a scandal when the TV cameras were on, but after that.....
The War on Poverty didn't exactly prompt a "progressive" wave, either. Nor did the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Social Security, and so on and so forth.....
We occasionally disagree, jdw.
--------------------------------
Derbes
My 17YO fell asleep on the couch waiting for this.
'bama - 10
lsu - 15
Oooh! Lorainne Bracco is in this, too!
4/5ths. Do the math.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Talking the Constitution, here.
Hey the bill eliminate Medicare advantage.
Hey the bill spends too much. Also not enough.
I love how Newt said the founding fathers wouldn't approve of Obama
We must be constrained by 18th century attitudes toward governance and public policy, or we betray the ideals this country was founded on.
My 17YO fell asleep on the couch waiting for this.
ms fahrenheit
No TV here, or I could fall asleep watching it, too.
It is not often that a political party puts more than $750,000 behind a candidate in a high-profile Congressional race, only to see the intended beneficiary endorse the opposition.
Well, maybe if Sarah Palin had stayed out of it and kept her big mouth shut......
Talking the Constitution, here.
sidhra
Obama is half-white.
"This reminds me of the lengthy debate over invading Iraq.
Oh wait no it doesn't."
yup.
True story. The world's champion ratter is a barn dog. I read it in teh Guinness book one time.
sidhra: Talking the Constitution, here.
Me too!
This reminds me of the lengthy debate over invading Iraq.
There is an ominous silence in this chamber tonight....
Old Man Byrd has done an awful lot of stupid in the Senate, before and since that speech, but that was one hell of moment. Too bad nobody listened to him then.
The founding fathers wouldn't approve of Obama
They wouldn't approve of women having the right to vote, either.
♫ ? ♫
4/5ths. Do the math.
Golf clap to you both.
RMJ, I mostly agree with you, except:
The bills you mention affected a subset of the electorate.
This one pretty much affects everyone. If it doesn't do enough, I think what will happen is that it will have done enough better for people to see that more is needed. Part of the problem is that people are brainwashed and ignorant. After we have an improvement, and we're gonna, those zombie lies will be harder to sell. Not impossible, but harder.
If this bill doesn't get the job done, I think we'll get better, and it won't take another century.
But then, I'm an optimist.
so....what's for dinner?
You know I'm not going out now that it is dark.
Hey the bill eliminate Medicare advantage.
Good. Second-worst program since guaranteed privately-run student loans.
"Approve of"?
Hell, the "Founding Fathers" would have owned Barack Obama.
I want the rats to die, just as their fellow did yesterday. I want them gone. I hate them. I hate them so much that I'm prepared to move to Salome Where She Danced, where there is no livestock of their ilk at all. A couple of burros wandering into the back yard, maybe a sheep, the occasional goose, a rattler - okay. No rats.
It is well known that the Founders' ideal for serving and protecting the Constitution was a mean-spirited, shallow-soul'd, god-bothering hypocritical demagogue.
hot dawgs
I love how Newt said the founding fathers wouldn't approve of Obama but wasn't asked how the founding fathers would have felt that he left his first wife when she had cancer
jr
The Founding Fathers might not approve of Newt, either, but even that is irrelevant. George Washington would have given Obama the job in spite of him being a "secret mooslim".
When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept "Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists." Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, "Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception."
smoke
vegetarian
ms fahrenheit, don't they deliver pizza where you're at?
GWPDA, rats are scary. No gettin' around it.
Mice are troublesome, but they're not really scary.
Hell, the "Founding Fathers" would have owned Barack Obama.
PopeRatzo
I don't even want to think about what they would have done to his mom for "miscegnation."
You see, it was okay for men, but not for women.
Goldman Sachs CEO: "I'm Doing God's Work"
I wouldnt go around sockpuppeting GOD, Mammon.
"4/5ths. Do the math."
3/5 + 5/5 = 8/5?
Hell, the "Founding Fathers" would have owned Barack Obama.
PopeRatzo | 11.07.09 - 6:27 pm | #
That woke me up.
Pete Hoakster: "I'm voting no because I hate my kids."
all beef
3/5 + 5/5 = 8/5?
Tenths.
Capt. James T. Quirk:
Shorter Washington: What they do on their own time is THEIR business.
Hi everyone.....I too just strolled in....had to turn C-Span off...so sick of listening to the crazies and their lies.
How well attended was the teabaggers rally today? I couldn't find any coverage of it on tv. These people have to be either the most easily led people on the planet or the dumbest.....most of the ones that were bussed in look like they are already receiving government assistance.
I think if we had all been there to observe that mob, we wouldn't have found a complete set of teeth in the whole crowd!
It is my understanding that the final vote is going to come around 9 pm tonight.
ms fahrenheit, don't they deliver pizza where you're at?
PopeRatzo | 11.07.09 - 6:28 pm | #
Sure, but I'm sick of it.
OK, another naive question. Is anyone actually persuading anyone else in this? Or is it all theatre, as I suspect?
They coulda voted this morning, right? Unless maybe some arms are being twisted in the meanwhile...
jdw: 3/5 + 5/5 = 8/5?
3/10 + 5/10 = 4/5
Time for Arthur's dinner.
We just came home from the Breeder's Cup. I'd never been to the track before, and it was great fun!
Oh, and we won $484 on a $20 bet.
3/5 parent + 5/5 parent = 8/5 /2 = 4/5
Theater!
I've got an idea. We bring in big pitchers of lemonade spiked with lasix and offer pretzels and lemonade to the GOP and blue dogs.
Wait 1/2 hour and bam unanimous passage of HCR.
OK, another naive question. Is anyone actually persuading anyone else in this? Or is it all theatre, as I suspect?
I suspect the real persuasion is going on behind closed doors, the whips and the WH aides working whatever Blue Dogs still think they can thread this needle
I think if we had all been there to observe that mob, we wouldn't have found a complete set of teeth in the whole crowd!
Sconset
Or anyone with an education beyond tenth grade.
True story. The world's champion ratter is a barn dog. I read it in teh Guinness book one time.
trifecta
I'd thought the king cobra.
It's theatre, and it's all going in the Congressional Record for future electioneering purposes.
Cynical? Me?
"The Pelosi Takeover Bill" - wow
David Derbes,
Hey, this is our beautiful democracy at work
[ • ]
"3/10 + 5/10 = 4/5"
ah.
mtah sucks.
Sallyh: Oh, and we won $484 on a $20 bet.
Maddie gets a PONY!
I'm going out for some Yankee BBQ. Anyone want anything?
spelling, too.
ms f--popcorn party? popcorn, fresh fruit & veggies, slices of different types of cheeses, peppercinis & olives, if you got 'em.
And wine
You are truthful Lindsay.
"OK, another naive question. Is anyone actually persuading anyone else in this? Or is it all theatre, as I suspect?
Who the hell knows with Pelosi. One thing I saw is this bill wants to send people to jail for not buying a policy in 5 years. Yeah, that will go over big.
It reminds me of the email I got about the post turtle. You dont know how it got there but it needed help.
Hell, the "Founding Fathers" would have owned Barack Obama.
PopeRatzo
Not the northerners. Not Adams. Not Franklin. The Virginians, most of them, and Carolinians, perhaps. That's why one should never make broad generalizations about them. They were all individuals and quite a contentious lot.
I think if we had all been there to observe that mob, we wouldn't have found a complete set of teeth in the whole crowd!
I don't hold that against anyone.
People lacking common sense is another thing.
Oh, and we won $484 on a $20 bet.
Money won is much sweeter than money earned.
My grandad, who was a skilled handicapper over here in Chicago's Little Italy on Taylor Street (where I still live) taught me that.
Congratutations Sallyh!
If this bill doesn't get the job done, I think we'll get better, and it won't take another century.
But then, I'm an optimist.
David Derbes, optimistic
The problem with the "PO" as currently discussed is precisely that it affects a "subset," i.e., those unable to get insurance otherwise.
Which is the people lining up at ER's, while the rest of us don't care, and dont' notice theire health care is subject to waiting lists and rationing (but not ours, so who cares?). And the people sleeping under bridges and overpasses, while the rest of us drive on. And the people still stuck in "invisible" poverty, as they were when RFK was alive to walk in Appalachia (and what politician since has done that? I can't think of one).
The beat goes on.
OK, another naive question. Is anyone actually persuading anyone else in this? Or is it all theatre, as I suspect?
I going with theater of the absurd, or Grand Guignol.
TrÜth, you're right.
Now could you kindly release the typewriter hounds on these clowns? Some of us have been jonesing for a CoT fix for many, many hours now...
I just went one channel up from CSPAN and got an ad for KY jelly
TCB= fart in it's raw form
And Newt, who is supposed to be a student of history, is an idiot who should know better.
Sallyh: Oh, and we won $484 on a $20 bet.
Cool!
One thing I saw is this bill wants to send people to jail for not buying a policy in 5 years.
Cite
I going with theater of the absurd, or Grand Guignol.
And it smells as bad as Texas hamburger.
Remember that thing about sausage? It goes double if the meat came from Teck's Ass.
A statistician gambling?
RMJ, I hope you're wrong, but honestly, I cannot say you are.
Well, Capt Quirk, let me put it this way. Had Barack Obama been in around in the colonies in 1776, chances are pretty good he would have been owned by someone.
This is not over tonight. Nothing is over. If this monstrosity passes the House tonight, Republicans can and will filibuster to death this so called "reform" in The Senate. This nightmare will never become law, thats a promise and a guarantee.
Thanks for the refugee.
Well, if you can afford it. If not...sux to be you.
Rmj, Pentecostal Theologist
more succinctly it could not be put.
goddamit, i stood in line for 3 hours so i could see the health insurance industry turned on it's head.
now we wait with bated breath to see if obama can achieve a Pyrrhic victory. fuck that.
If a statistician does it, it's not gambling.
Heres a site for the jail thing - http://
republicans.waysandmeans....cumentID=153583
I saw it on the Druge news Site but its from the official gov Site so its legit.
auggie, it's gonna pass the House. We got the votes.
The Senate, I don't know.
I just went one channel up from CSPAN and got an ad for KY jelly
Culture of TrÜth
Smooth.
Pelosi: greeting men women and assorted lunatics
GOP: woo hoo!
Pelosi: today we pass the dream of Teddy Rooselvelt: the Alienist, Dead Animal, Rough Ride and Health Care Reform Act
Dems: yay!
And Newt, who is supposed to be a student of history, is an idiot who should know better.
Capt. James T. Quirk
He prefers to write his own version of history.
One thing I saw is this bill wants to send people to jail for not buying a policy in 5 years.
I doubt that, but please don't buy a policy, just in case, TCB.
And we all know how accurate auggie is in his predictions.
Ain't been right this decade.
RMJ, I hope you're wrong, but honestly, I cannot say you are.
David Derbes, optimistic
I want to be wrong. But I see nothing in American history to indicate any bill is the "thin end of the wedge" that leads inevitably to a triumph that could not be seized when the bill was passed.
It's all or nothing. And I'm afraid we're gonna get nothing. Again.
YAAAAAYYYY!
thats a promise and a guarantee
Good news for us, then. The only person more consistently wrong than you is Bill Kristol!
my pleasure
YEAH, BABEE!
This nightmare will never become law, thats a promise and a guarantee.I'll take some of your action, auggiesback. I've got fifty that says it passes and is signed into law before the christmas trees get tossed in the alleys.
Was it over when Teh Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!
Comment by auggiesback blocked.
Comment by Texaschilibean blocked.
The sound of silence.
Please don't quote them.
It was so nice here for awhile without the STOOPID.
What did I miss?
Its about health insurance reform not government health care creation
Do you understand Auger in that its a pool of money and that even with private insurance you are, in effect, paying for others health insurance?
Heres the democrats - buy this goverment bill or go to jail. Now Im no expert on history but sounds more and more like another place where people were ordered at gunpoint to follow the government.
Teevo your sets for Monday. Glenn Becks going be on fire.
Over and out.
Good news for us, then. The only person more consistently wrong than you is Bill Kristol!
He prefers to write his own version of history.
Terry C, Loves A. Grayson-
It is the wingnut way.
It was so nice here for awhile without the STOOPID.
Does that mean we can't quote the repubs?
Pelosi: this bill offers affordable care, prevents discrimiantion and provides free donuts
Audience: yay
Pelosi: this provides a public option and makes you feel like a natural woman
Women: yeah!
Pelosi: and it reduces teh debt
Blue dogs: whaa
Oh, Nancy, this is NOT a better bill than HR 676...
I going with theater of the absurd, or Grand Guignol.
sidhra ضيد&# | 11.07.09 -
If Dan Burton were reading these threads, he'd think you were insulting him, but he couldn't be sure, which would just make him madden.
"What did I miss?"
cot in da hizzie!
Does that mean we can't quote the repubs?
Gromit
Oh, no. Not at all.
The trolls are a whole different level of STOOPID.
Thank you COT. Very much.
Over and out.
Texaschilibean
Ass over tea kettle and out the door. And don't come back.
TrÜth! TrÜth! TrÜth! TrÜth!
Glenn Becks going be on fire
Its called roids.
Jeffraham, she didn't get a pony, but she did get a T shirt, which I will send to other grandma's.
I'm a bit nervous about the evaluation, but I think I'll be fine come December 7.
Pelosi: we had 3,000 hours of town meetings, representing the greatest collection of mentally disturbed indivudals since Richard Nixon dined alone
Nixon [in grave ] now that's not nice
What's a 'Glenn Beck'?
Good for you, Madam Speaker, for invoking Teddy Kennedy.
Glenn Becks going be on fire
Now, I WOULD pay to see Glen Beck set himself on fire.
GWPDA, rats are scary. No gettin' around it.
Mice are troublesome, but they're not really scary.
David Derbes, optimistic
that's because rats are smart.
did the bill pass?
How do you just do that? Do you flip some switch or something?
Culture of Truth: I maybe out of order on this one, but I think that when you started "liveblogging" this caper, every woman on Atrios fell in love with you all over again. Take a bow, my good man!!!
Auggiesback: I'm going to come down to your level and tell you once and for all: Blow it out of your fat arse....no one, not one person here gives a fiddler's fart what you think or who you rely on for your misinformation...it is clear to me, that your mama dropped you on your pointed head at one time.
TrÜth! owwwww!
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Pelosi: we had 3,000 hours of town meetings, representing the greatest collection of mentally disturbed indivudals since Richard Nixon dined alone
Nixon [in grave ] now that's not nice
Culture of TrÜth
Pelosi: Ted Kennedy said this was about the character of our country
EMK: ayup
Pelosi: Obama is like JFK with a tan
JFK: a better tan!
Pelosi: we had 3,000 hours of town meetings, representing the greatest collection of mentally disturbed indivudals since Richard Nixon dined alone
Nixon [in grave ] now that's not nice
Culture of TrÜth
stanford - 48
oregon - 28
If insurance wasnt basically a Ponzi scheme they wouldnt need rescission to keep it going.
Madoff would have loved rescission and would still be going if he did =)
Well Ina has everyone else rounded up so, I get CoT.
jkjkjk
Glenn Becks going be on fire
Now, I WOULD pay to see Glen Beck set himself on fire.
left field
I would LOVE to be the one who makes it happen.
And I would do it for free. I would consider it my patriotic duty.
Sallyh: I'm a bit nervous about the evaluation, but I think I'll be fine come December 7.
You will be. We'll get through this.
Wow, Nancy speaks and all the asshats on Twitter go nutz.
since Richard Nixon dined alone
Towards the end of his presidency, when Nixon dined alone he did not think he was dining alone, not if you listened to his conversations.
Pelosi: this provides a public option and makes you feel like a natural woman
Reminds me of the old "going up the chain of command" e-mail.
"This Republican-written amendment is a crock of shit"--Pelosi
"The Speaker of the House today suggested that the contents of the Republican amendment would spur growth if applied in the field." --FoxNews
stanford - 48
oregon - 28
smoke
Glenn Becks going be on fire
his 'roids acting up again?
I'll send him some Tucks pads.
Do I have to go the the haloscam website to block trolls? I don't see any option for that.
If insurance wasnt basically a Ponzi scheme they wouldnt need rescission to keep it going.
Madoff would have loved rescission and would still be going if he did =)
Bellow Loudly
I thought he was Jewish.
"stanford - 48
oregon - 28"
erin not gonna be pleasant tonight.
Over and out.
Shorter Chilifarts:
As usual, you libruls are too smart for me, so I'm going to cut and run.
Beck is a glutton for the pain Karma has inflicted on his ass [literally]
I have a salad for dinner. Not a very good salad, but it's something I can eat, tucked up in my bed, safe against teh ratz. Little farstards. They're going to get trapped and DIE.
Mr Souder Puss. Tax. Duce. Unconstitutional. Illegal Aliens. NECROPHILIA!!!!!
48-35 now smoke
still hope for the ducks
Beck is a glutton for the pain Karma has inflicted on his ass [literally]
Mr. Beck, those are never going to heal if you don't pull your head out once in a while.
Souder: why would we have government provide health care - lets give the private sector and capitalism take care of the problem
Audience: they've had 75 years
Souder: they're almost ready
Speaker: time's up
Souder: freedom! government! illegals! [ dragged off by giant hook]
Towards the end of his presidency, when Nixon dined alone he did not think he was dining alone, not if you listened to his conversations.
Thread Theorist
"Henry, come pray with me!"
I need to leave to go gloat at a friend over Notre Dame's loss to Navy.
Go Aunt Nancy!
Do I have to go the the haloscam website to block trolls? I don't see any option for that.
PopeRatzo
You have to be running FireFox. From there, install greasemonkey, then killfile
You have my sympathy GWPDA. You are a stronger woman than I.
Rep. Courtney seems to be a sort of DFH.
Very nice. Connecticut?
I've seen the Blue Dogs and the damage done
A little GOP in every one
To get their vote is likely settling, son....
I thought he was Jewish.
He got kicked out by the banker guy doing GODs work
Do I have to go the the haloscam website to block trolls? I don't see any option for that.
PopeRatzo
Firefox and killfile. A perfect combo.
Well Ina has everyone else rounded up so, I get CoT.
jkjkjk
ms fahrenheit
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!
I love CoT!
TrÜth!
BOOOO!!! BOOOOOO!!!!
(skitters in VERY EVIL fashion across ceiling)
Courtney: I'm reading the GOP plan which calls for a study of the problem - well I'm sick of GOP dithering
Castle: America just can't afford to give health care to everybody
Audience: so how do we choose?
Castle: alphabetical order
I've seen the Blue Dogs and the damage done
A little GOP in every one
To get their vote is likely settling, son....
JeffCO
Neil Young's attorney is on Line 2, JeffCO...
"Nooooooooo!!!!!!!
I love CoT!"
i'm getting triple timed.
I MUST COMMAND MY KITCHEN AGAIN BECAUSE I MUST MAKE THESE SOON!
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!
I love CoT!
Inaverse |
You made your bed, now lie in it.
I knew this would work out.
Mr. Beck, those are never going to heal if you don't pull your head out once in a while.
That and the neckbolts his creator Dimbulb put in.
Audience: so how do we choose?
Castle: alphabetical order
Culture of TrÜth
I've seen the Blue Dogs and the damage done
A little GOP in every one
To get their vote is likely settling, son....
JeffCO |
now that's just wrong.
GWPDA, linkee no workee.
And teh SFChron misspelt "receipt".
They're going to get trapped and DIE.
GWPDA
Yes, they are!
I'll send him some Tucks pads.
BlueinColorado
just so you add Tabasco & ground glass.
Culture of Truth: You are beautiful......just beautiful.
WE R N UR KITCHEN NOMMING UR CHEESE
BWAHAHAHAHA
I knew this would work out.
ms fahrenheit
But I've loved CoT in real life!
And besides, you and smoke have been getting comfortably numb in the corner together
gotta go make dinner.
'bama - 21
lsu - 15
Guthrie: providing health care will devastate Kentucky
Audience: how so
Guthrie: it's like when you give a starving person food - they haven't had it for so long they can't take it
Audience: ah
What?
The GOP already abandoned the prop babies?
i'm getting triple timed.
jdw
"To all the ones I've loved before..."
Ina! How many men do you need, for the love of Dog?
It's not so afternoony, anymore. Can we have a new thread?
WE R N UR KITCHEN NOMMING UR CHEESE
BWAHAHAHAHA
Teh Ratz
We'll seeeeee about that
sing it!
Jenkins: i would love to give people health care but we can't afford it
Audience: oh
Jenkins: Kansas has $600 million debt
Audience: jebus what did you spend it on?
Jenkins: a Falling Houses Space Shield
Audience: oh well money well spent
How many men do you need, for the love of Dog?
That would depend on their um.. inclinations.
Ina! How many men do you need, for the love of Dog?
ms fahrenheit
Just one man or one woman who truly loves me
Jenkins: a Falling Houses Space Shield
Audience: oh well money well spent
Culture of TrÜth
Jenkins: Kansas has $600 million debt
Audience: jebus what did you spend it on?
Jenkins: a Falling Houses Space Shield
Audience: oh well money well spent
ow ow ow ow ow
Just one man or one woman who truly loves me
Oh. I'm over that shit.
oh noes! the eeevill democrats are gonna determine a new definition of freeance!
Kill 5,5 million jobs!!! Long arm of the state. Freedom redefined. Christian babies disemboweled. BRAINNNNNNZZZZZ!
Oh. I'm over that shit.
ms fahrenheit
Yeah, I'm still a hopeless romantic.
waya is love
now that's just wrong.
Blue, blue dogs behind the scars
Yellow spines on the rise
Big words flying across the House
Throwing shadows on little Dem mice
Leave us
Helpless helpless helpless....
rats are your friends.
now bob would have sued your ass.
All these Rethug MDs remind me that 50% of med school graduates are below average.
Cassidy: this will kill jobs, raise taxes, and i think i love but what are you so afraid of
Rush Holt: maybe you all haven't noticed but health care is kind of important and is necessary and incredibly expensive
GOP: but the private insurers
Holt: they're fucking evil
GOP: sure but they're rich and good looking
Holt: that's true
Yeah, I'm still a hopeless romantic.
Good luck with that. Really.
I think I must do other things better. It never seems to work out for me.
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Ingredients: 1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
2 cups finely grated sharp cheddar cheese, about 8 ounces
1/2 cup unsalted butter, melted
4 to 5 dozen medium-sized pitted olives, well-drained
To assemble: In a large bowl, combine flour, cheese and melted butter.
Form a scant teaspoon of dough around each olive. Place on an ungreased rimmed baking sheet and freeze until firm, about 1 hour. Transfer to a covered container or self-sealing plastic freezer bag, and freeze until firm.
To serve: Preheat oven to 400F Transfer puffs to a baking sheet and bake until golden brown and cooked through, about 15-18 minutes.
Wine pairing: Cocktail- and beer-friendly, these will also be great with dry sherry or Sercial Madeira.
The republicans sound like a bunch of magpies.....they keep repeating and repeating the same Frank Luntz talking points....fyi, he's on This Week with Snuffleupagus tomorrow.
Kline: i recognize the gentleman from Wisconsin
Speaker: do you yield your time?
Kline: no i just recognize him - hi buddy!
Speaker: ok ok
whoa
Daughter just noticed that half the people in the room are bald.
No sirree.
Daughter just noticed that half the people in the room are bald.
100 percent of the people in my room are bald.
Yeah, I'm still a hopeless romantic. Inaverse
All you ever gotta do is be a good man one time to one woman....
Andrews: i recognized the represenativer from the Northern Marianas Islands
Rep: please help me the cast of Lost will not leave my home island
Speaker: time's up whoever you are
Rep: oh noe
Daughter just noticed that half the people in the room are bald.
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass
we cannot afford a goverment comb-over of Haircair ...
Of course it's gambling if a statistician does it!
Our profession originated in the gambling houses of Asia and Europe. And dammit, we're proud of it.
Not this room. Them thar congress critters.
Neil! "I look at it and think, I must've been in a different place then... I wrote those words. I said it. And I meant it."
And dammit, we're proud of it.
On the average, of course.
Roe: i called up the White House to meet Obama and guess what he said
Speaker: dunno
Roe: he said who the fuck is the bald pasty white guy with the weird name
Speaker: that hurts man
Roe: i'm a real man not a pseudonym
Speaker: sure you are jane
There is a baldness gap between Dems and Rethugs, though. Not a lot of bald women - advantage, Dems.
I can't help but notice that there aren't so many women of color on the side of Team Red.
I'm sure it's an oversight.
neil knows
All you ever gotta do is be a good man one time to one woman....
JeffCO |
Yeah, but I can't be her reincarnated because she was still alive when I was born
Shut up Glenn!
Time for a visit to the pub. See ya later.
second sack of the game for no. 57
I have my 2/$2 Busch pub here at the condo, tonight.
And those are 24oz. Busch cans, too! 50 cents per 12oz. serving!
KILL IT!
There is a baldness gap between Dems and Rethugs, though. Not a lot of bald women - advantage, Dems.
Lindsay, pitchfork populist | 11.07.09 - 7:05 pm | #
Team Red is satisfied with their affirmative action outreach to the mentally and morally handicapped.
Kline: no i just recognize him - hi buddy!
Speaker: ok ok
Culture of TrÜth
I think I must do other things better. It never seems to work out for me.
ms fahrenheit
Another thing we have in common.
Regarding McClintock's babbling about "You Shall," you'd think wingnuts would like that part. It's so very much like the Ten Commandments they want to put in every Courthouse. And there is Primum non nocere, as well as Primum succurrere, which is more applicable in this case.
And those are 24oz. Busch cans, too! 50 cents per 12oz. serving!
Jeffraham Prestonian
Hmmmm. Maybe gotta look for those...
Daughter: He's even older than the last guy.
what's that old saying?
BALD IS BEAUTIFUL
Daughter: He's even older than the last guy.
ms fahrenheit
How soon can she run for office?
the cut medicare line is their best one.
sidhra: Hmmmm. Maybe gotta look for those...
Only the Pilot station here locally has that deal. Usually, they're at least $1.39 ea.
this old bastard bemoaning the lack of bi-parisanship then calls the opposition 'the democrat party' ...
JP: "And those are 24oz. Busch cans"
Those come in the convenient stupak.
I find that I am deeply sick to my stomach this weekend, and that my nerves are shot and that my hopes are febrile....
So, I'm going to go sit in my spa. Bubblebubblebubblebubblebubble. Then, I shall go hide in my bed. Arthur will watch over me.
G'night.
18 at the end of next September.
psycho's up ...
Bachman is wearing a lei.
final score
stanford - 51
ducks - 42
rolling stones, like a rolling stone
did this originate with muddy waters.
it will still always be a hendrix song to me.
i didn't know charlie wilson was still a congressman.
charlie wilson.
{{{GWPDA}}}
I hope the spa helps.
Michele Bachmann - weapons grade crazy.
Tralfaz: Those come in the convenient stupak.
No; they're individually wrapped, but usually available in a free-standing floor cooler full of ice.
Has anyone seen the BBC Robin Hood show? Any good?
What is that old saying?
That's the only way she's getting lei'd.
And that couple from Hawaii was just on vacation there. vacation was over.
What is that old saying?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Actually, there are quite a few old sayings.
Look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost
Dinner!
Dang, LSU failed to do their job to help mess up the BCS.
(They've failed me for the last time.)
Is 'Dinner!' an old saying?
so, in conclusion, the bill that everyone thinks sucks, passed.
and now we will pontificate.
Tralfaz, is you from Louisiana?
Have to go and have dinner...bbl. Keep it up Culture......you are on a roll.
wha happen to stupak amendment?
It's not afternoon anymore.
It's after afternoon.
Here are some new sayings I posted this morning.
Four New Aphorisms For A. S. Eddington
To think about something that you can’t imagine
is not to think about something you can’t imagine.
An unimaginable void, would be a void filled
with your imagining it and so imagined. ....
Not as catchy as Bird in the hand, but it's what I came up with.
What is that old saying?
If a frog had wings, it wouldn't wear its ass out hoppin'.
The American people want jobs right now so they can call in sick!
This Bill Owens guy must be a commie.
Yay!
my electricity went off and on.
WTF?!?
Hope for me that I win Powerball, tonight, please.
what store did the dems give away today?
Boner?
What is that old saying?
Liberals treat dogs like people. Conservatives treat people like dogs.
The American people want jobs right now so they can call in sick!
Capt. James T. Quirk
That, my friend, is COT worthy.
Hope for me that I win Powerball, tonight, please.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Sorry, I'll be too busy hoping I do. But if I win I'll give you a grant.
I really hope CoT hits Boehner with the entire furniture store.
Oh, look! The Dreamie!
I've napped, read a book, washed clothes, all while being here and watching these damn old men in bad suits.
Now, I'm just depressed.
What is that old saying?
Proverbial Lily Allen
Tweet I just got from a local reporter:
Bachmann is wearing a Hawaiian lay in honor of the Hawaiians who asked her to vote against health-care reform. Dead serious.
Solidaloha?
What is that old saying?
why buy the mastadon when the milk is free?
oh well
win a few lose a few
stanford played a great game
Bachmann is wearing a Hawaiian lay in honor of the Hawaiians who asked her to vote against health-care reform. Dead serious.
How weird can someone get?
That, my friend, is COT worthy.
Lindsay, pitchfork populist
Imitation is the sincerest for of flattery but I don't want to cramp his style or step on his lines.
That's an old saying trifecta!
Now, I'm just depressed.
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass | 11.07.09 - 7:26 pm | #
you think you have troubles?
damn = damned
AndyG, that lei was made by the one who gave us freedom.
That's what she said.
She's insane.
(But you knew that.)
Lei-about!
Today, I caught a pretty good stringer of bass, oh, they're running anywhere from, oh, a couple of six pounders.
you think you have troubles?
rootless-e, cynical
Yes.
The Great Orange Satan tells me that they expect the final vote circa 9:30 Eastern, about two hours from now.
Don' think I can stick it out, but I'll try to be back for the actual vote.
Which, frankly, I think we have in the bag. The catch is that hateful Stupak thing. May Stupak be denied a break one day when he really needs it.
That day comes for everyone. Why does he want to be so cruel?
Hawaiian lay
It'll cost ya.
SHEETZ
a la Attaturk
tennessee - 14
memphis - 0
why buy the mastadon when the milk is free?
focus, pocus
Now that's a challenge.
Four legs good two legs better?
Flaming Moe to ms. f.
Bachmann is wearing a Hawaiian lay in honor of the Hawaiians who asked her to vote against health-care reform. Dead serious.
Bachmann got laid in Hawaii?
Today, I caught a pretty good stringer of bass, oh, they're running anywhere from, oh, a couple of six pounders.
Herb
very cool. i've caught a few six pounders in my life. pound for pound best fighting fish, except pike. but pike don't taste so good.
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