And airlines are dropping routes right and left.
plantsman, |
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Nothing makes sense other than who's getting a piece of pie cos they figured out how to get into the bakery after the lights went out.
footloose |
06.21.08 - 11:01 am | #
For accuracy you will need to posit your scenario in a world where John McCain is a weak, solicitous Democratic Senator. Good luck.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 11:01 am | #
You are attaching far too much to the party label. Both are equally weak and solicitous.
Shared Humanity |
06.21.08 - 11:06 am | #
I was thinking this morning: where's the invisible handjob of the marketplace in train travel?
Molly Ivors |
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Well, try their website. A new zippy server surely couldn't hurt.
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And airlines are dropping routes right and left.
plantsman,
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let's face it, our infrastructure is broke. It was great when everyone was raking in tons of money, but times have gotten tough and its going to be everyone for themselves.
I'm afraid things are going to get worse before they get better.
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06.21.08 - 11:07 am | #
Idiots. Trains are now and have always been vital to the thinly populated areas. When your local metropolitan areas are 500 miles apart, you either have short haul airlines - or you have trains - or you drive. Right now, air travel being what it is, it's almost more reasonable for me to drive over to Albuquerque - or Denver - or certainly Tucson. If there were still the trains that brought populations to this part of the country in the first place I'd take 'em in an instant. And commuter train service between the primary and secondary cities in any given area is exactly how you foster economic growth.
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06.21.08 - 11:08 am | #
'Scuse me, but what do this mean? My ass is old too, but i don't think that's what you are talking about.....
No ability for agents to provide refunds, no communication between entities, inability for me to print boarding passes at home, etc. They could learn a thing or two from the airline industry, oddly enough.
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06.21.08 - 11:08 am | #
More trains! And better!
P.S. deadthread repost:
Hey handy hammerers: I would like to remove a built-in shelf unit from my music room. I'd like to move it elsewhere. How do I do this without splitting wood?
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06.21.08 - 11:09 am | #
No ability for agents to provide refunds, no communication between entities, inability for me to print boarding passes at home, etc. They could learn a thing or two from the airline industry, oddly enough.
Thus the handjob comment.
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:09 am | #
I like trains, had an elaborate HO scale model train set when I was a kid, still count the cars when I'm stuck by a freight train, does this make me weird?
Shared Humanity |
06.21.08 - 11:10 am | #
I was thinking this morning: where's the invisible handjob of the marketplace in train travel?
During the construction of the system, it was busily getting massive gubmint handouts, land grants, etc for the construction of rails.
then in the 1950's or so, it was getting them for highways and for buses and cars and trucks for the benefit of Detroit and petroleum, to the destruction of the rails.
IOW, what makes the Invisible Hand invisible is it's total non-existance.
And rail is perfect for moving freight through thinly populated regions. Took the Sunset Limited from New Orleans to Phoenix a couple times years ago.
plantsman, |
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06.21.08 - 11:10 am | #
Took Amtrak long haul ;last month every train NYC - CHI, Chi-NOLA NOLA-NYC was full. Who says people don't ride trains?
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06.21.08 - 11:10 am | #
Ina: It depends on how it's built in. You might not be able to.
Molly Ivors |
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And commuter train service between the primary and secondary cities in any given area is exactly how you foster economic growth.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian
Well, that's what I meant to say!
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06.21.08 - 11:11 am | #
Freight trains are still the cheapest way to move stuff.
Shared Humanity |
06.21.08 - 11:12 am | #
IOW, what makes the Invisible Hand invisible is it's total non-existance.
Sure, but for various reasons they're more efficient than planes, and corporations are all over the air industry. Why *not* trains?
I'm wondering if they're banned from competing because Amtrak is nationalized.
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:12 am | #
Many Amtrak routes are sold-out for the summer, according to Alex Witless.
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Ina: It depends on how it's built in. You might not be able to.
Molly Ivors |
What should I look for? It appears to be glued in spots -- that seems like a bad sign. But then there are bolts of some kind inside the top cupboard...
ina, stuccoing yesterday |
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06.21.08 - 11:12 am | #
Freight trains are still the cheapest way to move stuff.
Cheaper than elevators?
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.21.08 - 11:12 am | #
Thus the handjob comment.
No handjobs, either.
Oh, no way to easily say "get me from pt a to pt b" if it involved different lines. Sure, they have a "route planner" that makes you manually link lines, but that should be automated.
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06.21.08 - 11:13 am | #
But freight lines are private, right. So it's not like there's no private trains. Just not ones people can take.
And I should think the whole planning/scheduling thing would be eased by computers.
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:13 am | #
Note they blame 'labor contracts' for keeping unprofitable routes. It's all ok if you can use it as a chance to bust unions.
Cynicus
Yeah, that's what popped out at me, too--unions are always the bad guys in the corporate press. It's been decades of pushing unions so far against the wall that they barely matter now, but the automatic message from one indoctrinated and disciplined generation to the next remains: Union bad!
Sure, but for various reasons they're more efficient than planes, and corporations are all over the air industry. Why *not* trains?
Because trains don't get heavily subsidized like highways and air transportation. Though it is odd. GE is into locomotives. You would think someone there would see an opportunity or two.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.21.08 - 11:14 am | #
"The decline is the equivalent of $21,277 per home, the study said."
The Bush Tax.
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06.21.08 - 11:15 am | #
Now there's this dust-up over a circular seal that the Obama campaign used that looks like the the Presidential Seal, but isn't. In an era when Dumbya
put the seal on "Golf Cart One" and his socks, I can't get upset about it.
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06.21.08 - 11:16 am | #
Sure, but for various reasons they're more efficient than planes, and corporations are all over the air industry. Why *not* trains?
My first thought is that the highway system encouraged all the commercial users to decentralize, move away from the railheads and buy more cheaper land out in the burbs. Now if they were to haul by rail, they would still need trucks to move goods from the railhead, and they can't afford the move-back, so they send it all by air and truck.
And some of it is simply that fine part of hooman nachur that says "We've never done it that way. How cpould we do it that way?"
does this make me weird?
Shared Humanity | 06.21.08 - 11:10 am | #
No, it makes you the perfect Fred Eaglesmith fan.
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06.21.08 - 11:16 am | #
It "evolved" when the GOP-controlled state house announced they needed a majority on the board to stop "waste" and patronage before they would approve that year's funding settlement for SEPTA. And of course, they completely stopped Democratic waste and patronage - now it's REPUBLICAN waste and patronage, much as they did with the city's Parking Authority!
Susie from Philly |
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06.21.08 - 11:16 am | #
because of the economic downturn cities are going to lose $1.46 trillion in property values in 2008.
Quick lets bail out some more huge banks.
In other news Wachovia and JP Morgan are looking to merge. So if you thought that we couldn't afford for mega banks to fail, just imagine what will happen when super mega banks do stupid stuff and we really can't allow them to fail!!!!
foolme1ns |
06.21.08 - 11:16 am | #
GWPDA Johnson is right.
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06.21.08 - 11:16 am | #
The only logical reason the congressional dems caved on FISA is that they are complicit somehow and are protecting themselves too. The retroactive immunity must also be for them.
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06.21.08 - 11:18 am | #
It "evolved" when the GOP-controlled state house announced they needed a majority on the board to stop "waste" and patronage before they would approve that year's funding settlement for SEPTA. And of course, they completely stopped Democratic waste and patronage - now it's REPUBLICAN waste and patronage, much as they did with the city's Parking Authority!
"Money not spent on me is wasted" - Any 3 year old, or politician.
Nancy must be doing pretty well in California though, so she won't be going anywhere. How about the other blue dogs? Are there any realistic challengers out there for them? How about Hoyer? Is anyone challenging him, or is he even up this cycle?
foolme1ns |
06.21.08 - 11:20 am | #
Hoyer's a congressman, so he's up every cycle. Check Atrios' "Better Democrats" post for the ActBlue link to raise anti-FISA dollahs.
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06.21.08 - 11:21 am | #
We as a society simply have to face the fact that trains on the scale we need them are never going to come from the Invisible Handjob. In fact the invisible handjob isn't even going to help much at first. And we do need better trains. Amtrak with its measly 75 mph trains is slower than driving. I just read at Wiki that the only train they have that makes real money is the Acela express serving the northeast corridor at speeds up to 150mph. If you could get them to an average speed of 150mph, cutting out nearly all the hassles of check-in and security, then you'd have something genuinely competitive with flying. Especially if you can make it cheaper than flying. I think there really is a tipping point there that could be exploited.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 11:21 am | #
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
Did you know the founder and first bishop of the Church of the Solomon Islands was Coleridge's great grand nephew? The locals mistook him for a slave trader and dismembered him, but not before he'd translated the bible into a local dialect.
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06.21.08 - 11:21 am | #
GE is into locomotives. You would think someone there would see an opportunity or two.
leibniz leibkins
Perhaps they are too busy ramping up their previously moribund nuclear power plant business--part of their "eco-imagination" campaign.
I've seen how GE works from the inside, and if trains mean a quarterly profit to prop up stock price for the next three months, they will be in the forefront!
Of course, if you're talking anything beyond the current fiscal year, well who could possibly imagine such a distant future?!
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06.21.08 - 11:22 am | #
In other news Wachovia and JP Morgan are looking to merge. So if you thought that we couldn't afford for mega banks to fail, just imagine what will happen when super mega banks do stupid stuff and we really can't allow them to fail!!!!
"Private profit, public risk" - 4 words for why any and all Freeee Market maunderings are mendacious lies.
Incidentally, I trust all of you expecting me to make preserves are aware that my jam jars are in the shed. Where the you-inow-what is.....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
06.21.08 - 11:22 am | #
Well, local haulers could certainly get things to and from a rail spine, especially with those universal containers. And buses could absolutely run people to central spurs for long-distance travel.
It just seems like there's a market there. (shrugs)
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06.21.08 - 11:23 am | #
The convenience of the Acela is fantastic- print your ticket at a kiosk, and get on the train, and go. Although it only gets up to speed a few times between NY-BOS.
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06.21.08 - 11:23 am | #
The dead thing, I presume.
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I trust all of you expecting me to make preserves are aware that my jam jars are in the shed. Where the you-inow-what is.....
Eek!
Maybe there's some sort of, err, disposal company you could call?
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:24 am | #
Guess who:
The purpose of our being in Iraq is to be in Iraq. There are many great rewards for our military’s sacrifices there in terms of diplomacy, intelligence, and commerce. Oh, and liberty and representative government for millions. This isn’t some colonial scheme. This is how we extend and sustain the Pax Americana. As long as the West has its dick in the Mohammedans’ mashed potatoes, everything will be fine.
steve hüssein™ simels |
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06.21.08 - 11:24 am | #
Truly Nolen to the rescue!
plantsman, |
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The only logical reason the congressional dems caved on FISA is that they are complicit somehow and are protecting themselves too. The retroactive immunity must also be for them.
Troutski, BTW
Another factor is likely dangled contributions from the telecommunications industry--probably relatively small amounts, too, compared to the amounts the industry would have to spend defending themsleves in court.
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06.21.08 - 11:26 am | #
Although it only gets up to speed a few times between NY-BOS.
Jay C., byobb
They have to concentrate on fixing that, and then they've really got something. If you could go NY-DC, downtown-to-downtown, in right around 2 hours consistently, for less money than flying, and with no airline hassles, why the hell wouldn't you?
blerb |
06.21.08 - 11:26 am | #
Truly stupid enough to be the pudzhole.
ronjazz |
06.21.08 - 11:26 am | #
We as a society simply have to face the fact that trains on the scale we need them are never going to come from the Invisible Handjob
Canals. Rails, Highways. Docks. Even air travel. No form of US transportation has NOT been publicly-assisted or even completely contructed. Some private entities have profited thereon, but as long as you wait for Ayn Rand to innovate something into place, you are going to be a hunter-gatherer with flint tools.
And so i spit when i hear a pundit say "Freee Market!" in the tones of a worshipper before his god.
Incidentally, I trust all of you expecting me to make preserves are aware that my jam jars are in the shed. Where the you-inow-what is.....
it's still there? ugh.
perhaps I could fed ex you one of our numerous hill country buzzards to clean it up. They're very efficient animals.
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06.21.08 - 11:26 am | #
(((steve!)))
Sorry I missed you, sweetie. Be down soon, though, I promise.
Molly Ivors |
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Guess who...
One of the moronic brownshirt fucks I've killfiled? Maybe a guy who likes to burn dogs?
Speaking of "burning," did you hear the house next door to us caught on fire yesterday? The fire started in - get this - the refrigerator!
They have to concentrate on fixing that, and then they've really got something.
Oh, absolutely.
In my office, we have plenty of opportunities to travel to NYC midweek for business. Figuring in the hassle, it takes just a little bit longer than the regular "shuttle" flights from Logan to NYC, but it puts you right downtown without a security hassle. If the cheap flights creep up a little more, then it's Acela every time.
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06.21.08 - 11:28 am | #
my jam jars are in the shed. Where the you-know-what is...
As long as the West has its dick in the Mohammedans’ mashed potatoes, everything will be fine.
I prefer my dick in apple pie.
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06.21.08 - 11:29 am | #
The locals mistook him for a slave trader and dismembered him, but not before he'd translated the bible into a local dialect.
Miss H., Great Expectorator
Wow. Well, I suppose everyone got something good out of that deal.
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Nothing to do with mass transit, but what the heck is up with the new theme on news shows this morning - CNN and NPR both - "OMG, Obama says the Republicans will use race in the campaign! Horrors!" I'm mystified as to why they think this is horrifying - have they not seen Fox lately? Seen the e-mail smears? I guess it's another example of the St McCain phenomenon - poor honest St John, how dare Obama accuse his party of racism. Feh.
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Speaking of NTodd's backend, it would also help if a place like Penn Station could better announce and organize train departure announcements. The big board shows a train's gate and then...well, I have heard of better organization among sperm in a boar's ejaculate.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.21.08 - 11:29 am | #
As long as the West has its dick in the Mohammedans’ mashed potatoes, everything will be fine.
I condemn this misuse of a Beastie Boys reference.
Olexicon is drafting the indictment as we speak.
Jay C., byobb |
06.21.08 - 11:29 am | #
As long as the West has its dick in the Mohammedans’ mashed potatoes...
No form of US transportation has NOT been publicly-assisted or even completely contructed.
Well, yes, sort of. If you include the fact that the majority of train building in the US during the 19th century was sponsored by British/Imperial investment. ... The famous 2% bonds that built railways in the US, Canada, India, South America, and attempted the north-south Capetown to Cairo project....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
06.21.08 - 11:30 am | #
Speaking of "burning," did you hear the house next door to us caught on fire yesterday? The fire started in - get this - the refrigerator!
That hot sauce really has a kick.
footloose |
06.21.08 - 11:30 am | #
The big board shows a train's gate and then...well, I have heard of better organization among sperm in a boar's ejaculate.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
I just run where the other people are running. It's a little bit of a 3rd world rail system right here in the USA.
Jay C., byobb |
06.21.08 - 11:31 am | #
On the train you don't get packed in like a sardine, either. And they could implement wifi on the train really easily so you could get all kinds of useful work done while riding. And they could feed you better for cheap.
What the rail system need is a Steve Jobs to come along and figure out a whole package that is appealing enough to create a mass adoption. That is what he does with all those Apple products.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 11:31 am | #
....something very, very, very dead....
I'm gonna get me a tool to remove it tho, when I go out to the True Value today. I know just the thing.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
06.21.08 - 11:31 am | #
I condemn this misuse of a Beastie Boys reference.
Olexicon is drafting the indictment as we speak.
Thers will sign on as a cosponsor.
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:32 am | #
CNN and NPR both - "OMG, Obama says the Republicans will use race in the campaign! Horrors!" I'm mystified as to why they think this is horrifying - have they not seen Fox lately? Seen the e-mail smears? I guess it's another example of the St McCain phenomenon - poor honest St John, how dare Obama accuse his party of racism. Feh.
Latest backhand way of Blazing Saddles saying "OBAMA IS A NI*BONNNGGG!!!", that's all.
Our lawnmower just broke. I have decided to go Moe style. I am not getting it fixed. Getting a push mower instead.
trifecta |
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06.21.08 - 11:33 am | #
It's all about vagina substitutes with these losers, isn't it?
They tend not to know any real girls.
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:33 am | #
Are we talking a coupla pounds o' dead or a coupla hundred pounds o' dead?
blerb |
06.21.08 - 11:33 am | #
Auntie--in daily 110+ heat, how much do you suppose is left of it?
ina, stuccoing yesterday |
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06.21.08 - 11:34 am | #
On the mass rail issue here in the flood zone.. The Cedar Rapids and Iowa City rail line is in heavy use through the agribusiness corridor here, it hauls heavy cargo loads of corn and ethanol that link to barge traffic on the Mississippi River. But that's all screwed up now due to the floods, the central manufacturing hubs around Cedar Rapids are all disrupted due to rail lines being underwater and damaged.
But I digress.. It only seems natural to put a commuter rail line on the CRANDIC RR, there's heavy traffic between the cities, and the Interstate is clogged (and recently, shut off by floods). Seems like an opportunity for an upgrade.
So a few months back, they tried an experimental intercity rail test. But the rail lines were only certified for heavy cargo, to carry passengers they'd have to limit the speed to 10mph, so the one-way run took almost an hour. They say they'd have to put at least $15million into rail upgrades before it could take passenger traffic at a reasonable speed (like 15 minutes) to make it profitable. And then there is the problem of coordinating fast passenger traffic with tons of cargo traffic.
Well now a lot of the bridges and lines are out due to the flood, seems like the time to do the upgrade when they restore the system.
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06.21.08 - 11:34 am | #
It was the Dog Burner, yesterday.
It's amazing -- he's just totally unashamed about being a racist dickweed, and yet comes over here and accuses us of racism.
He's pathological...
steve hüssein™ simels |
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06.21.08 - 11:34 am | #
I have decided to go Moe style. I am not getting it fixed. Getting a push mower instead.
Thers did.
We do still have the gas one--when we were away for ten days, there was no way the pushmower was going to handle it. He would have needed a scythe.
Molly Ivors |
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06.21.08 - 11:34 am | #
Push mower sales are up @ 70% this year.
plantsman, |
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Are we talking a coupla pounds o' dead or a coupla hundred pounds o' dead?
blerb
Funny--I just deleted a very similar question that might've implied foul play!
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Our lawnmower just broke. I have decided to go Moe style. I am not getting it fixed. Getting a push mower instead.
I have yet to mow the lawn this year, either with my push or my electric. The cats love the tall grass.
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06.21.08 - 11:34 am | #
.Getting a push mower instead.
trifecta
You live someplace like Nova Scotia? Coz round here with the 100+ temps a push mower would be a heart attack machine.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 11:35 am | #
Well, yes, sort of. If you include the fact that the majority of train building in the US during the 19th century was sponsored by British/Imperial investment. ... The famous 2% bonds that built railways in the US, Canada, India, South America, and attempted the north-south Capetown to Cairo project....
And in the US built along government granted right-of-ways, with millions of acres of land thrown in on each side as 'encouragement' to build said route for the railroad.
What the rail system need is a Steve Jobs to come along and figure out a whole package that is appealing enough to create a mass adoption. That is what he does with all those Apple products.
blerb
Oh noes! Candy-colored hipster trains!
Jay C., byobb |
06.21.08 - 11:35 am | #
I'd long forgotten that song...never actually saw Steve Goodman before. Was he born smiling?
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06.21.08 - 11:35 am | #
dave - u got figs, right?
Open-faced manchego cheese and fig sandwich Total time: 1 hour Servings: 4 1/4 cup sweet white wine such as Muscat de Beaumes-de-Venise; 6 black mission figs, cut in half; 4 tablespoons olive oil, divided; 6 cups sliced onions, 1/4 -inch thick; 1 teaspoon sugar; 1 teaspoon fresh thyme leaves; 1 teaspoon salt; 1/8 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper; 4 slices organic multi-grain bread, toasted; 3 ounces shaved manchego cheese; Fleur de sel 1. In a small saucepan, heat the Muscat to warm and pour it over the fig halves in a bowl. Let the figs stand 30 minutes to marinate. 2. In a large heavy skillet over medium heat, add 2 tablespoons of the olive oil. Add the sliced onions, then stir in sugar, thyme, salt and pepper. Reduce the heat to low, cover and slowly cook until the onions are golden brown, 35 to 45 minutes, stirring occasionally. Keep the onions warm. 3. Brush both sides of the bread slices with 1 tablespoon of the olive oil. Grill until lightly toasted, about 1 to 2 minutes, then turn and toast 1 to 2 minutes on the other side. Keep warm. 4. Drain the figs and place them on a paper towel. Brush the cut side of the figs with the remaining 1 tablespoon olive oil and put the figs cut-side down on a heated grill pan; cook 2 to 3 minutes until lightly browned. Turn the figs and grill another 2 to 3 minutes until the figs are tender yet retain their shape. 5. Divide the warm caramelized onions onto toasted bread slices on a baking sheet. Top with shavings of manchego. Put the sandwiches under the broiler just until the cheese begins to melt, 1 to 2 minutes. Top each sandwich with three fig halves and a sprinkle of fleur de sel on each fig. Serve immediately. Each serving: 265 calories; 5 grams protein; 46 grams carbohydrates; 6 grams fiber; 5 grams fat; 3 grams saturated fat; 12 mg. cholesterol; 811 mg. sodium.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
06.21.08 - 11:35 am | #
seems like the time to do the upgrade when they restore the system.
I live in Asheville NC. Average summer temp is 83.
But 8am on a saturday, not so much.
trifecta |
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06.21.08 - 11:36 am | #
Ooh, I used to run a push mower when I was a kid. They are a lot more work, but if you want a lawn that looks like a golf green, that's the only way. You know they make motorized reel mowers that do the same job but don't require you to provide the power.
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06.21.08 - 11:36 am | #
Push mower sales are up @ 70% this year.
plantsman,
I have an old and very lovely push mower that I bought at a junk shop when I first moved in here. But it's kinda heavy & I was thinking of taking advantage of some recent technological developments to get me a lighter one...
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Amtrak was created to relieve the railroads of their "common carrier" obligation (which was part of their original charters) to carry passengers. From 1955 until Amtrak's creation in 1971, the railroads were losing tens of millions of dollars on their passenger operations.
Frankly, I don't think public transportation can be profitable in any mode, train, plane, automobile, bus, without massive public subsidy. What we have had since the 1950s is an uneven, un-thought out mess of public subsidy for some modes (airports, highways, waterways) and heavy taxation for railways. Result: railroading collapsed in the entire Northeast and many systems failed and were liquidated in the Midwest.
To this day, trucks pay only 50% of their true cost to our highway system. Barge traffic relies on the Army Corp of Engineers, Bus systems run on public roads; Airlines use public airports and federal air traffic controllers.
So while Amtrak is experiencing record ridership, its capacity to absorb it is extremely limited because it does not have the extra coaches or sleepers to meet the demand, hence the full trains, or the money to repair the equipment that needs rebuilding. Drive by Amtrak's Beech Grove Shops in Indianapolis and you will see a staggering number of cars awaiting rebuilding. The GOPers have tried their best to kill it off during Bush's reign of error, deliberately starving it of funds and firing its president (Gunn).
Littleleroy |
06.21.08 - 11:36 am | #
They're doin it wrong
Jay C., byobb |
06.21.08 - 11:38 am | #
NTodd, do you have any tick problems? (with the tall grass, I mean.)
Are there deer about?
Yes, deer have always been here. Usually bed down in the meadow. But no tick probs as yet, and I treat the animals for fleas and ticks.
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink |
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06.21.08 - 11:38 am | #
Why is little Scotty Simon wasting perfectly good radio waves telling me that Obama is a racist and McW isn't?
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06.21.08 - 11:38 am | #
NTodd, do you have any tick problems? (with the tall grass, I mean.)
Are there deer about? That's a big problem here. Lots of deer, lots of grass, fulla ticks.
i harvest the dog daily here. Big green bastards like you would not believe.
I treat mine too but they can still act as mass transit into the house for the ticks.
And that brings me back on topic.
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NTodd, do you have any tick problems? (with the tall grass, I mean.)
Are there deer about? That's a big problem here. Lots of deer, lots of grass, fulla ticks.
u know what i know about trains is taht u godda burn wood and have the steam run around a wheel. then the wheel rotates and u can run a train. there are furthermore e-trains and u can run them with electricity. there is one normal magnet and one electromagnet and this one may change palarization and thru the diffrence a train is run. now i like to make a diffrence cause im male. now u accuse me of not wanting to change. c, just c all. a huge diffrence u know. and dicks such an ugly word
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The Jonas Brothers Do Not Cause Teen Pregnancy
From which we may deduce that the Jonas Brothers are NOT an "abstinance-only" program.
That is what he does with all those Apple products.
I prefer the 1950s-60s interstate model. Argue that one way to become energy independent (a truly stupid idea, but a viable myth) is to have a national passenger train/light rail system. Argue it defeats terrorism, increases national defense and provides jobs.
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06.21.08 - 11:41 am | #
Was he born smiling?
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We could all learn a little something from such a person. As he deteriorated rapidly from lukemia and just before his death, he recorded this song.
I'm not quite sure how that state of affairs evolved, though it obviously doesn't make any sense.
Locally, tax base, and poor voter participation in poor areas.
Nationally, blame Delaware and Rhode Island at the Constitutional Convention.
The founders clearly fucked up in having both the electoral college and the senate driven by states as voting entities. It's very bad that AK and WY have two senators and one congressional seat.
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06.21.08 - 11:42 am | #
/orders Jack LaLaine exercise DVD on NetFlix, medicine ball...
Zap Rowsdower
What you need is a juicemaster and a set of velour coveralls.
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06.21.08 - 11:42 am | #
Argue it defeats terrorism, increases national defense and provides jobs.
Been trying that. But they have the trump: trains are SOCIALIST!
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink |
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06.21.08 - 11:43 am | #
Once Obama takes the presidency, we need to have a little lineup along the wall at NPR.
Takes giant-ass trucks off the Interstate,
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How about a nuclear-powered train? I can't think of any problems with that.
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Republicans have been trying to kill Amtrak for thirty years, and that attempt has accelerated since the so-called Republican revolution in 1994, and they've largely tried to do it through selective defunding.
The Bushies have been pushing, since they were installed, for the sell-off of Amtrak at fire-sale prices, because privatization of Amtrak would be a huge windfall for private rail operators. The rights-of-way alone would be worth many tens of billions of dollars. It's almost guaranteed that were that to happen, many Western passenger routes would be closed or resold to freight operators.
Great Britain should be a case in point here. The privatization of parts of it resulted in poorer service, fewer trains, and increased costs, so people who depended upon train service became disgruntled, and those that had transportation choices used trains less frequently or not at all.
The answer, of course, if the object is to save energy and increase ridership, is to increase subsidies to improve service, because the shared costs are small and the energy savings are substantial.
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06.21.08 - 11:43 am | #
But Mara Liasson and Juan Williams are at NPR. Cokie too.
It don't get more liberal than that!
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I should hope not. The country would be swimming in little Jonas Bros.
Lime Rickey
Hmmm...synchonicity...there were some young lads with striking eyes featured in yesterday's lifestyle section, but of course I'm long out of the pop culture matrix. A fellow worker with a 9-year-old daughter was able to identify them as the Jonas brothers. Well, outta sight, now I can demostrate to the elementary school set that I'm hip and with it and groovy, man.
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If there were still the trains that brought populations to this part of the country in the first place I'd take 'em in an instant. And commuter train service between the primary and secondary cities in any given area is exactly how you foster economic growth.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 06.21.08 - 11:08 am |
If Dayton tried light rail from Dayton-Springfield-Xenia and even the ritzy exurb of Springboro, it just might work.
Of course, it's not even mentioned.
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And yet, MSNBC is doing a story today on record Amtrak ridership this year.
they're just reading the NYT story aloud that atrios has linked to. Ridership is up, trains are fully booked, and there's no way to increase capacity.
Because it really wasn't intended to be an actually operating railroad. Kinda like Off Track Betting losing money in NYC.
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Takes giant-ass trucks off the Interstate,
plantsman,
Yes! And make a lane for non-motorized vehicles (why did I just envision a movie about someone riding a push mower across the state...)!
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(we've gone moe. Never make just one trip to the store. Combine.)
Time to visit ur neighbors.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
06.21.08 - 11:45 am | #
Zap, don't you have a paintball gun? I mean, Zapette's in Yurp and all ...
V for Virginia, you know
ok
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And the ones they know have cooties.
V for Virginia, you know
But mashed potatoes?! Is that code for Idaho?!
footloose |
06.21.08 - 11:45 am | #
don't you have a paintball gun?
Paintball? We aren't survivalists!
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Study the German Federal Rail. Emulate the good parts.
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This would not include (I suppose) moving masses of humanity to the death camps?
Shared Humanity |
06.21.08 - 11:45 am | #
Have a loaf pan, ql? Halve the recipe.
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Study the German Federal Rail. Emulate the good parts.
Europe is so helped by the relative concentration of population. As someone who lives in Bumfuck, and is at least an hour from any urban area that you guys would recognize as 'urban' (Lexington, KY), i realize that there just sin't going to be mass transport here, save perhaps someday a train that stops at a station for 5 minutes if they have been notified to do so.
The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
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06.21.08 - 11:46 am | #
No. Just the efficient movement of people between fixed points.
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Argue it defeats terrorism, increases national defense and provides jobs.
Been trying that. But they have the trump: trains are SOCIALIST!
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink
Some dude on Hartmann the other day (the what's-my-counterpoint to TH's point) was arguing against public transit in general, and trains in particular, because he was able to pick up his kids in DC on 9/11, and if he'd had to use public transportation, hoo, lawdy! How awful would that be?
It's become a sort of Godwin's law equivalent: My objection > ???? > terra!
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Let's balance this disnegative cussion with some actual good news from Iraq:
The only good news we want from you is that you've decided to off yourself.
Do it now!
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The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
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It takes me over a gallon to mow my yard. I have a big backyard.
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Wow. Well, I suppose everyone got something good out of that deal.
Learned that teaching English to a Solomon Islander. Coleridge is an integral part of their culture.
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Wasn't there a SuperTrain TV show once?
plantsman, |
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Our news media has discovered the teen girls sometimes get pregnant. ABC just asked a principal if having child care services at a high school shows too much "leniency."
That's ridiculous. The senior class fucking lounge should probably go, though.
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I have a push mower, but I have to mow the lawn almost every weekend.
Good excuse to exercise in my exceriseless world.
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How about a nuclear-powered train? I can't think of any problems with that.
leibniz leibkins
Often when I see jet fighter vapor trails criss-crossing the sky, I recall we once experimented with nuclear jets.
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Gas lawnmower engines spew pollution.
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Because it really wasn't intended to be an actually operating railroad. Kinda like Off Track Betting losing money in NYC.
JayAckroyd
Our local bus company (publicly funded) recently informed me that it's not intended to be a mass-transit system, but a social service! Their bottom line was, "Don't look at us when the price of gas is $5/gal and everyone needs an alternative, we're cutting routes!"
I think Amtrak is kind of a similar thing; we have to have this thing that we really don't want (as a commons sort of thing), so it gets the red-headed stepchild treatment.
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Argue it defeats terrorism, increases national defense and provides jobs.
Been trying that. But they have the trump: trains are SOCIALIST!
Trump that: go back to steam locomotives. People loves 'em, the coal companies would support it, and you can say " John Wayne rode these trains! You callin' John Wayne a SOCIALIST!!???!?"
It takes me over a gallon to mow my yard. I have a big backyard.
trifecta
Dayam. That's one hell of a big backyard unless your mower is like a Hummer. Having something like that around here would cost you a fortune in water and probably get you hauled off in chains by jackbooted EBMUD thugs.
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06.21.08 - 11:49 am | #
The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
Economies of scale. It's the same argument with those little lights on power strips. For an individual it is pennies a month. For the nation it is a supertanker or two of oil.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.21.08 - 11:49 am | #
Nuclear jets are just impractical. I mean, in the off chance that Godzilla swallows one (a not-impossible scenario), what result? It's the precautionary principle, people.
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06.21.08 - 11:49 am | #
A fellow worker with a 9-year-old daughter was able to identify them as the Jonas brothers.
I think they've committed themselves to chasity or something. Playing "hard to get" is an old ploy, of course.
Lime Rickey |
06.21.08 - 11:49 am | #
IIRC, he died right around the time the Cubs made the playoffs.
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06.21.08 - 11:50 am | #
I think they've committed themselves to chasity or something. Playing "hard to get" is an old ploy, of course.
Lime Rickey
They're hoping to reap the girlwind.
Jay C., byobb |
06.21.08 - 11:51 am | #
The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
Economies of scale. It's the same argument with those little lights on power strips. For an individual it is pennies a month. For the nation it is a supertanker or two of oil.
Yup. Individual behavior adds up to collective behavior, which is the real impact. The American myth of needing a nicely manicured lawn is a part of what we need to change...
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I don't think TCB is aware of all internet traditions.
V for Virginia, you know |
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Time to visit ur neighbors.
GWPDA
But then I'd have to talk to them and I did that yesterday.
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I think Amtrak is kind of a similar thing; we have to have this thing that we really don't want (as a commons sort of thing), so it gets the red-headed stepchild treatment.
Yet, we continue to build rail on a local level w/ light/commuter lines because there is a need and a demand.
Amtrak to Republicans is "wasteful spending" that could be diverted to no-bid military contracts.
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Trifecta has sons that can fall in love with push mowing as he falls out of love with it.
plantsman, |
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do you know this man?
No, but I like it.
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The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
blerb |
It takes me over a gallon to mow my yard. I have a big backyard.
trifecta | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 11:47 am
Stop mowing.
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The Bushies have been pushing, since they were installed, for the sell-off of Amtrak at fire-sale prices, because privatization of Amtrak would be a huge windfall for private rail operators. The rights-of-way alone would be worth many tens of billions of dollars.
Hence their occasional dream of 'privatizing' the highway system. Turning a public investment into private profit. "Public risk, private profit", Version II.
'Freshwater burned crosses onto the arms of some of his students and told them that gays are sinners, the school board said in a resolution the five members passed unanimously yesterday after meeting privately to discuss the results of an investigation.'
'High-school science teachers told consultants that Freshwater's teachings were undermining science instruction in the district. They reported having to re-teach scientific concepts to students who took Freshwater's class.
Complaints about Freshwater's teachings were made by teachers and people in the community for at least 11 years, a school administrator told consultants. Freshwater has taught eighth-grade science in the district for 21 years.'
'In April, the school board hired HR On Call Inc. to investigate Freshwater, four months after the parents of a child in his class said he had burned a cross into the child's arm, causing swelling and blistering.'
I thought you might, since you like trains
ina, stuccoing yesterday |
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And this black woman is wondering: Where are Obama's feminist defenders?
I refuse to play "Look over here!!!" anymore! Anybody says anything about Michelle Obama needs to hear 'And she's running for?"...
footloose |
06.21.08 - 11:53 am | #
The American myth of needing a nicely manicured lawn is a part of what we need to change...
I detect anti-football sentiment.
I'm bored by the way. I wonder if some team would pick me up.
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The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
Clotheslines, OTOH....
JayAckroyd |
06.21.08 - 11:54 am | #
"The senior class fucking lounge should probably go, though."
ah the suburbs...
students in my schools usually fuck
in the fire tower.
one daring couple got caught doing the nasty early one morning in the hallway. in general, most teachers are not in that part of the building till later.
Hence their occasional dream of 'privatizing' the highway system. Turning a public investment into private profit. "Public risk, private profit", Version II.
That's what they got away with with Blue Cross/Blue Shield in NYS. "This is a non-profit entity that could make money? Privatize it!"
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I do not like the idea of having containers of gasoline in ..... the shed. Also, it's the polluting nature of the small gas-motor that offends, not the simple use of gasoline. Those little motors are dirtier than hell and the particulates they spew are determined to contribute mightily to air pollution. Damned leaf blowers are teh worst.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
06.21.08 - 11:54 am | #
The idea of push mowers as a response to gas prices is pretty funny to me. I can mow my lawn like ten times on one gallon of gas.
Economies of scale. It's the same argument with those little lights on power strips. For an individual it is pennies a month. For the nation it is a supertanker or two of oil.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 06.21.08 - 11:49 am | #
Also, I'm less likely to shoot neighbors out mowing their lawn at 7 am if they're using a push mower.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
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Michelle's black-and-white "View" dress is a hot item.
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But then I'd have to talk to them and I did that yesterday.
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You can substitute yogurt. But talking to the neighbors is better hope for democracy. Mention trains and FISA!
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06.21.08 - 11:55 am | #
Stop mowing.
And there's that, of course. Let some bird habitat arise. Much more pleasant than deer habitat.
JayAckroyd |
06.21.08 - 11:55 am | #
Amtrak to Republicans is "wasteful spending" that could be diverted to no-bid military contracts.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story!
160 billion approved for another year of two wars.
160 billion buys 5,333,333 Prius at $30,000 each.
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Wasn't there a SuperTrain TV show once?
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Fred Silverman's Folly at NBC -- one of the most expensive flops in TV history.
I believe that was the same season he put on a show about a talking orang who gets elected to Congress...
I'm not making this up, BTW....
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So I hooked up with some college buds last night, and the talk turned to politics. All five of them were Hillary supporters and all of them had doubts about Obama.
One (who now lives in Florida) thought he was a Manchurian candidate and that someone was pulling his strings.
Another was "afraid" of him and thought Michelle was power-hungry.
So, in other words, we have a malleable, weak-willed black man and an uppity black woman.
All also thought the race is going to be tight because the "rest of America isn't New York."
These are smart people talking like idiots.
I am depressed.
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I'm just saying that in my case, my gasoline usage on yardwork is like 1gal/10 weeks and my gasoline usage on driving is like 10gal/week, so for me it would add up to even less than drilling ANWR would. But there's certainly nothing wrong with getting a push mower.
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Wasn't there a SuperTrain TV show once?
plantsman
Yes, and I can remember the hype of how it was going to make NBC number one.
If you can remember when Network Fall Preview shows were a big deal, then like me, you are getting old...er.
Of course, I also remember when the Fall Preview of Saturday morning cartoons was extremely important to me. The New Scooby Doo Movies? Are they joking?!
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8-limbed 'goddess' baby becoming normal girl
Is that good news?
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'Freshwater.......told them that gays are sinners
Am i the only one that, anymore, assumes that this means that Freshwater is himself secretly and tormentedly gaii?
The most manly, leadery slanties of all!
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06.21.08 - 11:57 am | #
I do not like the idea of having containers of gasoline in ..... the shed. Also, it's the polluting nature of the small gas-motor that offends, not the simple use of gasoline. Those little motors are dirtier than hell and the particulates they spew are determined to contribute mightily to air pollution. Damned leaf blowers are teh worst.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 06.21.08 - 11:54 am | #
On my walk this morning I came across a youngish homeowner using an small electric leaf blower to clear dirt and grass clippings from his very tiny driveway. It would have been quicker, and probably easier on his back, had he used a broom.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
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And there's that, of course. Let some bird habitat arise. Much more pleasant than deer habitat.
I used to have a house with a field that had been kept mowed. When I let it grow all kinds of ground nesters such as bobolinks came back.
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lso, it's the polluting nature of the small gas-motor that offends, not the simple use of gasoline. Those little motors are dirtier than hell and the particulates they spew are determined to contribute mightily to air pollution. Damned leaf blowers are teh worst.
I was using teh weed-wacker last week (electric), and the cross-the-street neighbor asked me if I wanted to use his gas-powered one.
I declined, noting that I was going to get my thirty bucks worth of product come hook or crook. Didn't mention that I think that gas-powered outdoor small appliances are ghastly.
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But if the lawn is cut then Arthur can roll around on it, and the ticks have no habitat, and it looks pretty! Besides, there's not a whole lot of it - mostly hardscape back there, and pool. And trees. http://www.gwpda.org/pool1.jpg
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they spew are determined to contribute mightily to air pollution. Damned leaf blowers are teh worst.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian | 06.21.08 - 11:54 am |
Oh don't get me started on snow blowers and leaf blowers.
All the rhythms of human labor turned into constant motor-growls.
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Also, I'm less likely to shoot neighbors out mowing their lawn at 7 am if they're using a push mower.
Leafblowers!!
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'Freshwater.......told them that gays are sinners
Am i the only one that, anymore, assumes that this means that Freshwater is himself secretly and tormentedly gaii?
I haz memories of what a big deal it was to first show movies on TV (CBS Saturday night).
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
06.21.08 - 11:59 am | #
You have a push "Leafblower"?
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Also, I'm less likely to shoot neighbors out mowing their lawn at 7 am if they're using a push mower.
Leafblowers!!
JayAckroyd | 06.21.08 - 11:57 am
Small tactical nuclear weapons are the only answer for those.
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I appreciate that not mowing might create some bird habitat, but I also have to have some kid habitat here. FWIW, though, I only have
blerb |
06.21.08 - 12:00 pm | #
I am depressed.
Brooklyn
Don't be. My very centrist neighbors are all getting behind Obama. Even the rethugs. The environment has them very worried. The neighbors who wouldn't vote for Hillary because Bill got a blow job are now re-thinking voting for McCain after I recounted how he dumped his first wife and then used Cindy's $ to run for office. Haven't figured out how to work the cunt story into a conversation yet. But I will.
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06.21.08 - 12:00 pm | #
Leafblowers!!
Hey! Leafblowers are GOOD!
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I just scrolled up to find out about what was in GWPDA's shed and read about dead things.
At first, I thought I'd share my recent first experience with a hardcore sinus infection, where every scent coming to me smelled like a dead mouse.
However, that would be kinda gross, and so I thought better of it.
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Leafblowers? Ack. Annoying. Isn't it in the Constitution somewhere that neighborhood kids are required to rake and bag leaves? Otherwise they won't understand what Fall smells like.
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Leafblowers!!
JayAckroyd | 06.21.08 - 11:57 am
Small tactical nuclear weapons are the only answer for those.
or minimum sentencing requirements. They do far more damage than reefer.
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06.21.08 - 12:01 pm | #
I've thought about getting a push lawn mower, but I have to get some grass first. It's way down on the list these days.
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06.21.08 - 12:01 pm | #
Decent rakes, like a metal Flexrake, work well too.
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I appreciate that not mowing might create some bird habitat, but I also have to have some kid habitat here. FWIW, though, I only have
Kids can't play in grass, meadow, woods?
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink |
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06.21.08 - 12:02 pm | #
Did someone say 'bobolink'?. I took this a couple weeks ago on the bike ride home from the 5yo's school.
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06.21.08 - 12:02 pm | #
We got left an electric leafblower by the previous owners, but I doubt I'll ever use it.
blerb |
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Not that it matters, but I think the majority of this country is moving left a lot faster than the politicians are.
My guess (and my hope) is that quite a few of the gang in Washington are gonna get hit by an express train they don't even see low on the horizon.
OK, we may have to wait till 2010 for the full impact, but 2008 is gonna shake up a few things, I do believe.
Yeah, I'm as pissed off as you are about the FISA collapse, but if (IF) we get the balance to shift in the Supreme Court, that little ex post facto exercise of yesterday will be overturned. You cannot retroactively legalize unconstitutional behavior.
The business yesterday was to protect the Dems against all too predictable right wing swiftboating ("The Democrat Party is more interested in Osama's rights than your safety!") The sad thing is that the Dems are more afraid of the Right than they are of their own constituents.
Maybe they should be more afraid of us. Maybe we should listen to Spocko and some other guerrilla political activists...
Nobody do that ju-jitsu like he do.
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06.21.08 - 12:02 pm | #
my chainsaw is electric. It has been used. We have had downed trees in storms.
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And this black woman is wondering: Where are Obama's feminist defenders?
I refuse to play "Look over here!!!" anymore! Anybody says anything about Michelle Obama needs to hear 'And she's running for?"...
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Well, she is on the stump. And the first lady does play a role, even if it's not strictly political. They can do great things in that position. Eleanor Roosevelt and Jackie Kennedy come to mind.
But, how anybody could think Michelle is anything less than awesome is beyond me.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame |
06.21.08 - 12:02 pm | #
My letter to my Congressman, "Caving" Mark Udall
After your shameful support of this deplorable FISA bill, yet another GOP-designed fig leaf designed primarily to provide cover for Congressional backsides at the expense of the Constitution, I can only conclude you really don't care about your constituents like me. I have been paying attention, and I know exactly what this bill was, and it was no compromise - it was another in a long series of caves by the Dems on the fake issue of "Dems aren't serious on national security" - and we are in no way at all safer because of it.
I wish you and the others could grasp that No. GOP. Voter. Will. Support. You. Because. Of. This. Vote. You can only alienate your own base and further reinforce the GOP meme that "Dems don't stand for anything."
I'm very disappointed. I guess I still have to vote for you for the Senate, but good luck inspiring me to throw any money your way. Why can't you be more like your cousin?
And if that little bastard living above me doesn't stop running. I'm going to go up there and smack his parents.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame |
06.21.08 - 12:03 pm | #
Heh. Mixing organic and regular produce? Who brings the pain, dog.
At first, I thought I'd share my recent first experience with a hardcore sinus infection....
Thank you. Talking about body orifices and their contents are not off limits but we usually leave that for NTodd.
Shared Humanity |
06.21.08 - 12:05 pm | #
.Kids can't play in grass, meadow, woods?
NTodd, WhyIGottaBeMrPink
That's what the other 15 16ths of my property are for.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 12:05 pm | #
Cheap, cushy, slippers and a big smile on your face
will work better.
plantsman, |
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06.21.08 - 12:05 pm | #
The sad thing is that the Dems are more afraid of the Right than they are of their own constituents.
The current problem is that no one inside the Beltway has any fear at all of the constituents. They are a commodity that has been reliably delivered for years by advertising execs running teebee campaigns.
what D.C. needs is some angry mobs with torches and a guillotine set up on the Mall. Big change in the quality of representation then.
Mrs. Obama was on C-Span earlier today along with Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts, addressing women's issues. Patrick is quite an impressive speaker, not as eloquent as Barack Obama, but more engaging on a personal level.
Miss H., Great Expectorator |
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06.21.08 - 12:05 pm | #
Hmmm...considering the old nuclear jet idea...
Nuclear leafblowers!
They could run 24/7 for years on end! Why just ruin weekends? We have the technology and the idiocy to spoil everyday for generations, people! Radioactive noise pollution--the time is now. USA! USA!
Uncle Smokes |
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06.21.08 - 12:06 pm | #
And as a matter of fact, you really don't want to let your kids go running around in the tall grass around here, because there are actually quite a lot of rattlesnakes.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 12:06 pm | #
Great letter, JeffCO.
I wish you and the others could grasp that No. GOP. Voter. Will. Support. You. Because. Of. This. Vote.
I've heard it explained this way: That their intention is to weaken challenges from the GOP by reducing the distinction. As you point out, you 're still going to vote for him, and they figure they won't get any challenges from within their own party.
It's a fucking shame.
V for Virginia, you know |
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06.21.08 - 12:06 pm | #
You cannot retroactively legalize unconstitutional behavior.
Just a paralegal here, however, I do believe you have it backwards. You cannot punish someone for an act committed before it was declared illegal. However, you can decide an act that was previously illegal does not deserve punishment. Think of the three strike drug laws that have been overturned resulting in many prisoners being released early.
qlª |
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06.21.08 - 12:06 pm | #
When the Fisa Bill/Telecom Immunity comes up next week in the Senate Id like to see Senators Dodd and Feingold attach an amendment declaring J.Edgar Hoover to be a God.
Maybe the heathers will be all atwitter over it.
nottin bob |
06.21.08 - 12:07 pm | #
"Sir, there's a drunk guy messin' up the produce if that's a thing"
got new firefox 3.0 on a mac.
used to be, you could open a new tab in current window to read comments by
HOLDING DOWN THE APPLE BUTTON and clicking on comments (or anything else) and it would open a new tab.
Now, it opens a new window.
anyone know the fix?
peterboy |
06.21.08 - 12:07 pm | #
Hey! Leafblowers are GOD!
Very minor religion with only a few practitioners...secondary deity is a Lawn Edger.
Shared Humanity |
06.21.08 - 12:08 pm | #
What I want in the end is just enough flat lawn to play volleyball, croquet, or badminton -- like 25X40 feet. All the rest, except for the veggie garden, will ultimately be drought-tolerant landscaping.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 12:08 pm | #
Beautiful letter, Jeffco.
Unfortunately i am from KY, where the two flavors of Congresscriter are "Republican' and "Shitwhistle Republican". But i would love to use your letter otherwise......
The sad thing is that the Dems are more afraid of the Right than they are of their own constituents.
Ain't that the damn truth. And it is NOT limited to those inside the Beltway. I can assure you of that.
Snow (WF-SC) |
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06.21.08 - 12:08 pm | #
And as a matter of fact, you really don't want to let your kids go running around in the tall grass around here, because there are actually quite a lot of rattlesnakes.
blerb
BG -- Your friends may come along. It's going to be a long, painful slog toward November, for sure, but if they're not avid repukes they'll fall in line.
I hope.
V for Virginia, you know |
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06.21.08 - 12:09 pm | #
anyone know the fix? peterboy
If it's like the wondows version, just go to Tools--> Options --> Tabs and you'll see the choice to open in a new window or a new tab.
JeffCO |
06.21.08 - 12:10 pm | #
For those of you Westerners who are familiar with California Lilac, or Ceanothus , there are some spectacular specimens of a large shrubby type in full bloom here in Portland just now. Blue and beautiful!
plantsman, |
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06.21.08 - 12:11 pm | #
I had something purporting to be deep fried rattlesnake once at this cheesy steakhouse by the Grand Canyon. I'm still convinced it was actually a breaded bicycle tire.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 12:11 pm | #
For those of you Westerners who are familiar with California Lilac, or Ceanothus
A tree from heaven if ever there was one.
blerb |
06.21.08 - 12:11 pm | #
DCCC guy called this morning. I ripped him a new asshole.
I feel bad. But only a little.
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06.21.08 - 12:12 pm | #
What I want in the end is just enough flat lawn to play volleyball, croquet, or badminton -- like 25X40 feet. All the rest, except for the veggie garden, will ultimately be drought-tolerant landscaping.
blerb
Same as me, except I want just enough lawn for a picnic blanket and a headstand or two!
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06.21.08 - 12:12 pm | #
Just a paralegal here, however, I do believe you have it backwards. You cannot punish someone for an act committed before it was declared illegal.
I don't think that is what they're saying. The telecoms participated in something that is not only illegal, but also unconstitutional. Retroactive legalization of their activity by Congress cannot make that activity comply with the Constitution. It is still unconstitutional because Congress cannot change the Constitution even if it can change the statute.
Snow (WF-SC) |
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06.21.08 - 12:13 pm | #
The thing that pisses me off about Udall is that he represents the most liberal area in the entire state, and he's generally be excellent on environmental issues, but when it comes to national security all he can see is his Senate run. So instead of one mushy Dem like Ken Salazar (one of Joementum's buds), we'll have two.
Are two mushy Dems better than two jerkwad Republicans? Yes. But fuck.
JeffCO |
06.21.08 - 12:13 pm | #
Nuclear powered sexbots.
With mashed-potato filling.
attach an amendment declaring J.Edgar Hoover to be a God.
When he died they waited three days to see if he had a file of dirt on Someone that would let him come back.
Unfortunately, the knocking up of some Jewish teenage virgin turned out to be public knowledge........
And as a matter of fact, you really don't want to let your kids go running around in the tall grass around here, because there are actually quite a lot of rattlesnakes.
blerb | 06.21.08 - 12:06 pm |
Any neighborhood children you don't like?
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins |
06.21.08 - 12:14 pm | #
BG -- Your friends may come along. It's going to be a long, painful slog toward November, for sure, but if they're not avid repukes they'll fall in line.
I hope.
V for Virginia, you know | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 12:09 pm | #
They probably will, but they reminded me of the people who didn't want to vote for Kerry because they didn't like Theresa. Of course, they do know the stakes are high this time around.
They sounded like a bunch of closeted racists, which is the last thing I would have expected from them. They just kept on insisting that the rest of America isn't liberal. I was sitting there thinking, "Well, neither are you."
How I heard it was that they think the rest of America is dumb. But the problem for me was that they sounded dumb, and they're most definitely not. It was ... irksome.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame |
06.21.08 - 12:14 pm | #
QL, I agree with you that ex post facto is finding someone guilty of some action that was legal when the person did it, but which has since been made illegal.
What I'm talking about is that the violation of the Fourth Amendment cannot be made legal, period. And these yoyos are attempting not merely to make it legal, but to make past behavior legal.
It is legal AFAIK to retroactively make Constitutionally OK statutes null. If a community forbade stores to be open on Sunday, and some merchant was before the court for violation of that statute, the legislature could presumably throw the law out, and even make it retroactively legal. Or that's my extremely limited understanding of the law.
But if I were, for example, to reveal the name of a covert US agent, which is Constitutionally protected, I don't think the Congress gets to say "No problem," much less, "You did it before we got rid of the law, but it's still no problem." Congress hath not the authority to do it. Or so I think.
I have no legal training whatsover, which is probably obvious.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed. |
06.21.08 - 12:14 pm | #
I owe Snow a beverage of his choice.
Thanks, Snow! Wish you were there!
David Derbes, ochen' pissed. |
06.21.08 - 12:15 pm | #
Any neighborhood children you don't like?
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 06.21.08 - 12:14 pm | #
I'll donate the kid living above me.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame |
06.21.08 - 12:15 pm | #
You guys have heard of electric lawnmowers, right? There's even rechargeable mowers on the market.
Sorry to say, but leafblowers are faster than raking. Some places have maximum db bylaws-eventually the manufacturers will figure it out.
doug r |
06.21.08 - 12:17 pm | #
When our leaders grant the Telecoms immunity from the civil lawsuits,the correct response should be to file CRIMINAL charges against them.
nottin bob |
06.21.08 - 12:18 pm | #
OK, so here's the thing. The overnight trains are busy. On the whole, they require less public support than the short-distance corridors (i.e. in Illinois) but only a little more than the trains on the NEC (when the huge NEC capital costs are included which Republicans like to ignore).
Comparing load factors isn't the right measure because trains aren't point to point like aircraft they are point to point to point to point to point to point and many of those points in the middle have NO OTHER FORM OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. Remember that the next time a Republican says it would be cheaper to fly people instead.
The railroads (other than Amtrak) that own almost all the track that Amtrak operates on outside the Bos-Phil-Wash and Phil-Harrisburg lines, are choked with freight. They carry more freight now than they did 40 years ago on about half the track with less than half the workers.
Getting the freight system up to snuff by removing bottlenecks and adding track will make intercity passenger trains much more reliable.
Sadly, Amtrak has been so starved since birth, and especially since 1995, that it has NO EXCESS CAPACITY. So even though it's turning away passengers on the overnight trains, it can't add cars because it has no cars to add.
A train that left Chicago or NYC at 5 or 6 pm and got to the other by 8 or 9 am would be a HUGE success. There are other markets that work the same way.
Peter Laws |
06.21.08 - 12:42 pm | #
I love how the war can lose 3 trillion but Amtrak's not allowed to lose 5 cents
jr |
06.21.08 - 2:40 pm | #
As Peter Laws above implies, outside the NE Corridor, Amtrak has no rights of way -- they are owned by freight operators, and Amtrak has to negotiate for them -- hence the fragility of service quality in Amtrak long distance service outside the NE Corridor. I use Acela service PHL-WAS frequently and it is very reliable -- trip length is perfect for city center to city center rail
A few decades ago, Septa was pieced together from the Philadelphia transit system and the suburban transit/commuting systems, through actions by the PA legislature, which is historically GOP and anti-Philadelphia. See http://www.trainweb.org/phillynr...nrhs/
septa.html for some blow by blow
The person who does the interesting Philadelphia historical blog The Necessity for Ruins at http://ruins.wordpress.com/
mentions a paper on the formation of Septa that I'm trying to track down while I sit here in Jenkintown (a convenient Septa hub, by the way, and a great place to raise your kids up)
DB |
06.21.08 - 5:15 pm | #
No, there is an easy solution but it does cost money.
And regarding cutting routes, before Katrina, there was a move to cut the Sunset Limited back to New Orleans from Jacksonville because it WAS LOSING TAXSPAYERS MONEY!!!! OMG! OMG! OMG! However, when they ran the numbers, they found that the train lost even more truncated. The value of a large system is that it makes it worthwhile because there are more destinations.
If the trains are only available on the NE corrider, why should a person in Wisconsin bother? My personal story is that I take the train, but I have to go out of the way at the beginning and the end. I took the Lakeshore Limited to Chicago last night from Syracuse. Pre 1971, I could have caught the Phoebe Snow from Binghamton to Chicago. In Chicago, I would have connected with the C&NW Chicago - Green Bay route to my final destination. Since the train starts in Syracuse, I had to find a connector first to Syracuse. Since the train stops in Milwaukee, my parents have to pick me up there instead of in Manitowoc. I am willing to make the effort. But will others?
Charles |
06.22.08 - 1:20 am | #
Maybe if they owned the rails and rented them out instead of vice versa.
Maybe if the rails actually went places people wanted to go instead of stopping fifty miles from (Amtrack stops fifty miles from San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Monterey... you know, places people go to and from.)
And their equipment that is for cross-state and cross-country runs aren't the same equipment that you use to do a jaunt across town. Amtrack doesn't have a problem with too little cars. They have hundreds - and so do the other rail companies, even the freight ones, - of cars sitting around doing nothing.
There aren't rails where we have freeways. And Amtrack doesn't own the rails.
Think what it would be like if you had to schedule your car trips in advance, then pay the toll, and you could be bumped off the road by the trucking companies?
Crissa |
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