HULK SMASH!!!
Who believes what the newspapers write in their editorial pages anyway?
Second, too?
Going for three.
Sliding in safe!
Safe!
[ Luke Skywalker voice: ]
"I care."
Edwards put everything on the line in Iowa, a state that
was a must-win contest for him. He was able to keep his
campaign going largely because he managed to beat Clinton
by a whisker for second place. The shift of a few votes would
have reversed the order between the two, and
he would have been history.
Step right up ladies and gentlemen and count the fallacies errors and assumptions! Don't be shy!
I could understand if it read "offended many Democrats with his campaign message." But his candidacy as a whole? What the hell does that mean?
Obama and Clinton have competed heavily for the African American vote in South Carolina, and the Clinton campaign fears that Obama will now win the majority of that vote, perhaps a sizable majority.
Clinton's chances of winning would depend on the white vote, but as long as Edwards is running, she would have to split it. That alone was one reason that, before Clinton unexpectedly won in New Hampshire, her advisers were seriously considering skipping the state.
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Because it will make Democrats start working to oppose bushie's adventures? Work is hard, remember
offended many Democrats with his campaign message.
"Like who?"
Token democrats working as snooze bobble heads for the networks.
How in the fuck can somebody surmise a statement this insane?
Token democrats working as snooze bobble heads for the networks
Most likely. That, and pundits whose phones never ring.
WORTH THE WAIT, CRITICS SAY
A giant cloud of hydrogen gas is racing towards a collision with the Milky Way, astronomers have announced.
Smith's Cloud, as it is known, may set off spectacular fireworks when it smacks into our galaxy.
In 40 million years.
as usual, republican cultists take some piece of crap that is happening to them and project it onto others. In this case, Huckabee and Paul have stuck it in the eye of the cultists and they don't like it one bit. Naturally they turn their anger and frustration on democrats, fantasizing that Edwards has done to democrats what in fact Huckabee and Paul have done to them.
The Washington Post is truly, truly pathetic in the nonsense spew they print.
.
A giant cloud of hydrogen gas is racing towards a collision with the Milky Way - In 40 million years...
I guess this goes in the 'noteworthy, but I don't care' file.
abc really working the racist clinton angle.
BRING BACK SADDAM AND WE'RE ALL SET
Iraq lifts curbs on Saddam allies
Iraq's parliament has passed a bill to allow ex-officials from the Baath party of former leader Saddam Hussein to return to public life.
The US had been urging Iraq's Shia-led government to pass the law in an effort to involve the minority Sunni Arabs more closely in the political process.
Hmmm. This seems to be the coordinated Obama campaign message of the last 24 hours. Obama-trons of the blogosphere have been pushing it, too.
This piece, like much political reporting, is absolute horse shit. Even in a story labeled "analysis," as this one is, a reporter shouldn't be allowed to make assertions like, "Edwards has offended many Democrats with his candidacy," without providing some evidence, preferably in the form of people speaking on the record, to back them up.
Hmmm. This seems to be the coordinated Obama campaign message of the last 24 hours.
It still makes no sense.
Like who?
Tweety.
"Like who?"
Mark Penn? Donna Brazile?
Barack seems like a good boy but how can we seriously elect him into the White House when we do not even allow his type in out elitist Liberal gated communities?
Somebody will have to explain to me what Hillary Clinton did that was racist.
I just don't get it.
i LOVE John Edwards!
WSJ fallacy: "Edwards put everything on the line in Iowa." That comment is plain silly. In Iowa, and everywhere else John Edwards has campaigned, he presented his case to the best of his ability, as would any professional who has enjoyed a successful career as he has. The WSJ makes it sound like John Edwards' career was that of a gambler, rather than a diligent
trial lawyer.
This seems to be the coordinated Obama campaign message of the last 24 hours. Obama-trons of the blogosphere have been pushing it, too.
Huh. Well, I guess that's who he'd "offending" then.
Like Clinton and Obama. How dare he?
There was no bias in that article. None at all.
HBK,
She said that LBJ did as much to push through civil rights legislation as MLK. It seems relatively clear to me: MLK wasn't a politician, as such, and couldn't change laws, just attitudes. But a lot of people took it as a slam at King, I guess.
Correction, I meant to type "WaPo" rather than "WSJ." But, it is getting to the point that I can't tell the difference between their editorials.
There was no bias in that article. None at all.
Just think of all the idiots who will believe it.
Somebody will have to explain to me what Hillary Clinton did that was racist.
I just don't get it.
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:20 am | #
Got white privilege much?
Like Clinton and Obama. How dare he?
Upstart!
I like that it's a good race with race and gender and economics on the table--I think the wall of silence surrounding Edwards tells us as much about the media as their obsession with Hillary's tits and tears, and Obama's snide remarks.
Ummm, you haven't met HBK, dumbass.
I have Spinal Tap's Stonehenge stuck in my head. Would anyone else like it?
Somebody will have to explain to me what Hillary Clinton did that was racist.
You mean when she downplayed MLK's contributions to civil rights legislation? That wasn't one of her stronger moments.
Molly thanks for explaining it to me but I still don't see how that's racist.
And FYI I'm not white asshole.
She said that LBJ did as much to push through civil rights legislation as MLK.
NOT GOOD...as much as i like hill, that shit is stupid rightwing coded message tricks: if i were black, i would take it as a coded message to white racists everywhere
DONNA BRAZILE HAS SPOKEN!
Donna Brazile, a leading Democrat and African-American who
had criticized Mr. Clinton, on Friday appeared willing to accept his explanation. “Bill
Clinton is a soldier in the fields for people of color,” Ms.
Brazile said on CNN. “At this point, we are willing to let this lie.”
Halfdan you're right.
It wasn't one of her best moments but I still don't see how it was racist.
Are people just looking for that type of stuff?
Now what Andrew Cuomo said was racist but he's a jerk.
Dona Brazille needs to lie down and take a nap until the election is over on the oft chance that our candidate is stupid enough to ask advice from her.
Same goes for Shrum, Beckel, and Carville for that matter.
if i were black, i would take it as a coded message to white racists everywhere
Hmmm, really? I heard it as emphasizing that legislation is as important as changing attitudes, that a moral movement only really gains teeth with the force of law.
Interesting.
Are people just looking for that type of stuff?
Yes.
And FYI I'm not white asshole.
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:25 am |
Sorry Auntie Jemima.
Molly thanks for explaining it to me but I still don't see how that's racist.
Sure you can. Start off hating Hillary to begin with then find something you can deliberately misinterpert and voila, you slam Hillary as a racist.
Now what Andrew Cuomo said was racist but he's a jerk.
We all agree there, I think. I hope his dad smacks him upside the head.
Molly I think Edwards needs to talk more about the change he'll bring to government. Not just the lobbyists thing but if he is the anti-Bush I didn't get it at all from the debate. I still get the feeling I might be projecting that onto him because I haven't heard him make that argument.
Edwards for Veep.
Yelloe dog journalism by arunning dog asslicker.
Hillary is not a racist. A centrist possibly. A racist, no.
Edwards has offended the delicate sensibilities on non-vegetarian, non-fascist everywhere.
Well, he offended me, a Hillary supporter. I hope he stays through feb 5 though. He splits Obama vote.
NTodd. it's totally your turn in scrabble.
Edwards has offended many Democrats with his candidacy.
Like who?
-Attaturk
Donna Brazile?
Bob Shrum?
The media is always in search of a story and if they don't have one, they invent one.
Thus we have WaPo with it's Edwards fantasy that he has offended Democrats when at most it's perhaps the DLC.
And we have ABC promoting the nonsensical idea that the Clinton campaign is insidiously using racism, when in fact, they are very dependent on black supporters if they are going to win the primaries and the election.
The MSM in this country is a disgrace and has been for far too long.
Now what Andrew Cuomo said was racist but he's a jerk.
We all agree there, I think. I hope his dad smacks him upside the head.
Molly Ivors
and then kicks him in the ass. i still cannot believe that jackass made that comment.
The statement fits right in with what she has been emphasizing. Experience and readyness to get things done, in the LBJ mold.
Maybe Edwards doesn't have enough imaginary hip black friends?
It wasn't racist. It was clumsy.
It started out as an attempt to to argue that flowery rhetoric (Obama) is nice, but it takes a workhorse (Clinton) to get things done - and ended seeming to denigrate Martin Luther King on the eve of the S. Carolina Primary.
Clinton is a soldier in the fields for people of color,” Ms.
Brazile said on CNN. “At this point, we are willing to let this lie.”
Culture of TrÜth
"We"?
Today: 7th Avenue No Pants! Subway Ride.
REQUIREMENTS FOR PARTICIPATION
1) Willing to take pants off on subway
2) Able to keep a straight face about it
Come on, NTodd. Get in the car now and you can make it.
What did Cuomo say? I missed it.
HBK -- you saw that coming, right? Either you're white or a racist, or you're not and an "Aunt Jemima."
No racism there, no sirree!
Bite me, asshole.
Andrew Cuomo is a prick.
Well, he offended me, a Hillary supporter. I hope he stays through feb 5 though. He splits Obama vote.
ecoast
Gee, I'm a Hillary supporter and he hasn't offended me. It's a tough race and they're all fighting hard. Good, cause after one is chosen the real fight will begin.
The Clinton's statements have, as usual been out-contexted.
However, I agree with the Great Orange Satan that some of their workers are plainly making some of these statements and it reflects back on them.
MLK marched in selma..he helped oragnize teh NAACP to boycott busing that catapulted race onto the national stage...all the time his speeches were the inspiration of the movement...
to dismiss that is not good...MLK walked the streets, he made the imprtant speeches...it's like saying gandhi didn't do much for india's independence
as far as LBJ is concerned, if MLK and RFK hadn't been killed while fighting for equity, i doubt he would have done much: his motivation was the overwhelming of a movement centered around king and others
The noive of that man! Running for office like that!
Here on Chicago's Blue Line, every day is no pants day.
It's all bullshit.
I am trying to summon the energy to go out and do errands and then pick up my brother at his group home. I take him to visit my mother and stay all day.
My brother is a compulsive speller. My mother is a compulsive cross puzzle doer.
Six hours of letters, letters, letters.
I'll never regret the time I spent with my mother and brother. Gotta remember that.
I love them.
gop:scrod
Andrew Cuomo is a prick.
res ipsa loquitur
Big time. Apparently, he is friendly with Vacco, the AG before Spitzer. He was terrible.
It wasn't racist. It was clumsy.
Yes. Thank you.
(posted in WaPo comments for this story)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0_Comments.html
Paulieboy wrote:
Mr. Balz:
Who are these "many Democrats" that "Edwards has offended" with his candidacy? At journalism school we are taught to back up assertions like this with quotes, or evidence. Since you provide none, perhaps I can guess:
He's offended the Democratic consultant class, those who count among their clients both politicians and corporations. And perhaps he's also "offended" people like Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman, the Senators from MBNA, the insurance industry, and Big Pharma.
I am a Democrat, and I'm prouder of Edwards than of the two "front-runners".
Edwards speaks about the growing, alarming income gap, about the poor, and about issues of equality and fairness. Mere discussion of these subjects makes the corporate media nervous. Let them be "offended." How about some justice for those who work hard every day?
NTodd. it's totally your turn in scrabble.
I don't have enough tiles to spell "kill me now."
And we have ABC promoting the nonsensical idea that the Clinton campaign is insidiously using racism, when in fact, they are very dependent on black supporters if they are going to win the primaries and the election
i found it hysterical to see that clip of donna brazile misrepresenting and chastising the clintons for the mlk comment; i clearly remember her on cnn talking about bill clinton being the first black president.
she's a friend to karl rove; a profile i read of her a couple of years ago remarked how she had weekly lunch meetings with him.
i wonder how that committee she was appointed to by the white house to oversee the rebuilding of new orleans is going...
I know what it was meant to do, but I thought it was revealing of Hillary's true attitude. Not toward MLK, but toward activism in general. She was telling me "regular people should shut up and let politicians make decisions about their lives."
Obviously there are other interpretations, but that's what I heard, and I'm ambivalent about her.
I've my run-ins with Andy Cuomo over the years. Oh yes, he's a jerk. Not quite a bad as Mark Green, but there is dispute about that.
Pope Ratzo,
I will be in Chicago two weeks from today. There will be a little Atriot gathering. If you're interested in joining, email me at resipsaloquitur_2004 at teh yahoo....
The reality was that without LBJ forceful persuasion from the WH, MLK's efforts to produce civil rights legislation would have gone for naught.
Hillary was telling the truth and I don't think it detracts from the brave effort MLK made on the streets of America to bring it about.
It merely confirmed that without an ally in the WH, the civil rights movement would have been as dead in the water as it was under Nixon or Bushboy.
Just shut up about HBK. I've met her, and she is a wonderful person.
shut shut shut shut up up up up
gop:scrod
I honestly didn't know Donna Brazile was black, knowing her only by her political effect, not by her face.
as far as LBJ is concerned, if MLK and RFK hadn't been killed while fighting for equity, i doubt he would have done much:
MLK and RFK were killed in '68 and by that time, most if not all of civil rights legislation was passed.
What did Cuomo say? I missed it.
Obama was "shucking and jiving." No shit.
Fucking Cuomo didn't wait five minutes after taking the oath before starting to fuck with Spitzer.
We have all those years of Pataki. We finally get some Dems in, and Cuomo's gonna torpedo Spitzer because he wants the job at some point?
Asshole.
Gee, I'm a Hillary supporter and he hasn't offended me. It's a tough race and they're all fighting hard. Good, cause after one is chosen the real fight will begin.
What ql said, although I thought his comment about needing tough presidents was out of line, but that's one comment, not his candidacy. And there's no insult to Dr. King in saying that LBJ made things happen legislatively after Dr. King inspired public opinion.
as far as LBJ is concerned, if MLK and RFK hadn't been killed while fighting for equity, i doubt he would have done much: his motivation was the overwhelming of a movement centered around king and others
mogwai
He also brought us Medicare and Medicaid. Domestically he was one of the best presidents ever.
I know what it was meant to do, but I thought it was revealing of Hillary's true attitude. Not toward MLK, but toward activism in general. She was telling me "regular people should shut up and let politicians make decisions about their lives."
Yes, not unlike Nancy Pelosi's comments last year. And others of the "ruling elite." They forget who's in charge.
Arabella -- sounds like a trial, but you're right -- you'll always be glad for having done it. And I'm sure it means an awful lot to them.
Rudy Johnson is right!
Not quite a bad as Mark Green, but there is dispute about that.
Ouch. There's a contest you don't want to win.
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,410 for "offended by edwards".
Could be worse.
Not your Uncle Tom | 01.12.08 - 8:29 am | #
EAT SHIT & ***DONT FUCK*** with HBK!!!
Navy Times: Prankster May Have Been Behind Radio Threats
By Paul Kiel - January 11, 2008, 6:11PM
It just gets more and more bizarre. From The Navy Times:
The threatening radio transmission heard at the end of a video showing harassing maneuvers by Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz may have come from a locally famous heckler known among ship drivers as the “Filipino Monkey.”...
In recent years, American ships operating in the Middle East have had to contend with a mysterious but profane voice known by the ethnically insulting handle of “Filipino Monkey,” likely more than one person, who listens in on ship-to-ship radio traffic and then jumps on the net shouting insults and jabbering vile epithets....
Rick Hoffman, a retired captain who commanded the cruiser Hue City and spent many of his 17 years at sea in the Gulf was subject to the renegade radio talker repeatedly, often without pause during the so-called “Tanker Wars” of the late 1980s.
“For 25 years there’s been this mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats,” he said. “He could be tied up pierside somewhere or he could be on the bridge of a merchant ship.”
“He used to go all night long. The guy is crazy,” he said. “But who knows how many Filipino Monkeys there are? Could it have been a spurious transmission? Absolutely.”
Well, it's war then.
Obama was "shucking and jiving." No shit.
Halfdan
Sweet jeezus.
Green is a different variety of asshole.
Green really needs to go the hell away.
I honestly didn't know Donna Brazile was black, knowing her only by her political effect, not by her face.
I don't think she's anything but a naive, well-meaning fool. I still don't understand what Gore was doing with her managing his campaign.
Ouch. There's a contest you don't want to win.
Molly Ivors
Well I've known them both since the 80's. Tough one.
Hillary is very disappointed with Andrew's comments, she wanted him to mention gang banging and Colt 45 also.
Mark Green was so successful as a politician though!
Well, it's war then.
Like the Iron My Shirt guys: It's the Jackass effect.
V - Yes it means a lot to them.
I do it out of love.
gop:scrod
These are the days I'm glad for killfile.
"We"?
attaturk | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:32 am | #
Personal friends of Karl Rove.
One Democrat that Edwards apparently managed to offend with his candidacy is Kerry. What's up with that?
I honestly didn't know Donna Brazile was black, knowing her only by her political effect, not by her face.
Molly Ivors
Political effect?
You mean the preternatural ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
Arabella,
Youwill never, ever regret it. Like me, I know you've lost immediate family members, and you have to make time to be with the family you have left. Absolutely.
i think teh WAPO was referring to 'villager' democrats...who see edwards' populist message may infringe on their 6 figure bonus next year
You mean the preternatural ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
It's a gift!
I still don't understand what Gore was doing with her managing his campaign.
Halfdan
The word you're looking for is "Losing."
Political effect?
You mean the preternatural ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
jac | 01.12.08 - 8:41 am | #
And Donna was an improvement - arriving in the second team to rescue Gore from the Mark Penn catastrophe.
Morning, all.
BTW, HBK, it's your turn in Scrabble.
OK. Off I go.
Have a good one.
gop:scrod
But a lot of people took it as a slam at King, I guess.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:22 am
The NYSlimes had an op-ed on that very thing. *gasp*
Balkinization had a post on LBJ as bastard, but with the golden touch on many a liberal item. (and gave a great speech on civil rights when signing the bill)
LBJ risked the Democratic Party's future on equal rights for all in America. GDumbya risked the Republican Party's future on big pork for the party cronies and everlasting war.
One Democrat that Edwards apparently managed to offend with his candidacy is Kerry. What's up with that?
Kerry's pissed that he doesn't have the balls to try again, but Edwards does, and is doing it with a real, Democratic, populist message.
Moe, you either slept in or didn't join us this a.m. Went to beer school again last night?
I do notice that Populist Firebrand Edwards has not turned his pitchforks of righteous anger on Wall Street during this current financial crisis.
I looked at Strait of Hormuz on google maps just to get an idea how close US war ships were to Iran.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&...032471&z=9&
om=1
scope out the scale ruler at the bottom left of that link.
It would be like having Cheney shooting his shotgun in your backyard.
Also in WaPo (yesterday): NIH is holding up funding of a new embryonic stem cell isolation procedure because the developers can't prove that it won't harm the embryos from which the cells are derived. This even though they have demonstrated that is at least as safe as a very similar procedure used for genetic diagnosis of eight cell stage embryos. At the very end of the article the head of the NIH stem cell task force admits that the White House is likely to meddle in the funding decisions, hence what appears to be a pre-emptive blocking of funding (by setting an unreasonable safety standard) underway.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8011001971.html
This political meddling with science will absolutely stop under a Democratic president.
One Democrat that Edwards apparently managed to offend with his candidacy is Kerry. What's up with that?
Hecate
He's "endorsing" who he thinks will win, in hopes of benefitting down the road.
I don't think being offended by Big John has anything to do with it.
Hecate, I have heard that Kerry has been pissed at Edwards since Edwards got pissed that Kerry wasn't willing to fight harder after the 2004 election.
Edwards may not have liked Shrum and Edwards apparently wanted a recount of Ohio's election returns.
The Bushboy regime's latest effort to bring "1984" about are federal IDs that must be used to board any domestic flight and I'm sure that will be the tip of the iceberg.
A few years from now, once the ID has become a "necessity" to prove you aren't a terrorist, you're out late one night and can't produce that ID, because you left it at home, and you are detained by local police as a suspect or worse.
It's a gift!
Molly Ivors
So was Raymond Babbitt's ability to count cards. I wouldn't want him managing my campaign, though.
I took Hillary's comments on King/LBJ to be just her usual disdain for citizen action - you know, "the rabble are out there amusing themselves waving signs, but the real action happens behind closed doors in Washington."
I still don't understand what Gore was doing with her managing his campaign.
Halfdan
The word you're looking for is "Losing."
jac
Kerry's pissed that he doesn't have the balls to try again, but Edwards does, and is doing it with a real, Democratic, populist message.
I think I'm glad that Kerry didn't run again, all things considered. But I did think it was bad form for him to shit on Edwards, especially when he's already down.
Moe, you either slept in or didn't join us this a.m. Went to beer school again last night?
qlª
I was, er, studying. 
Weekends have greater meaning when you work the five-days-a-week thing.
Of course, comments are closed for that story. I wanted to rip their "analyst" an new one.
Edwards is my presidential candidate, and I will support him as long as he is in the race. It pisses me off to no end that he's been discounted and marginalized by the press, who (rightly, I believe) fear that he is a catalyst for change. They don't like change. They like the status quo, which gives them employment in a system that, as others have said, resembles a suburban high school. Heathers, anyone?
mmm, pureed carrot and drool on my shirt.
Morning, kids.
What's the doo-doo?
Obama was "shucking and jiving." No shit.
Halfdan
Oh for fuck sake's. He's always been of a egomanical prick, but that's true of a lot of politicians. And he was his Dad's enforcer, but even on this blog we wish Dems were more confrontational, so we had the attitude that "at least he's our SOB." And he wasn't incompetent.
But there are a lot of Dem politicians from NY city and state who hate black people, or at least have contempt for them, especially since NY politics cleaves on racial lines. Oops, he let his true colors show.
Those federal IDs will likely have an RFID chip so your movements can be easily tracked, by any RFID scanner within range of it.
But I did think it was bad form for him to shit on Edwards, especially when he's already down.
As I told him in my email, but he seems to have passed my name along to his chosen candidate in any case.
Mornin', rational peeps. How goes?
There is a fucking incomprehensible editorial in today's WaPo arguing that we need more religion in politics because Max Weber wrote that Protestants brought about the industrial revolution or some such bullshit. I'd blog it and tear it apart except that it's so fucking illogical and stupid you can't really dispute it.
Oops, he let his true colors show.
People not from NY are surprised by Andrew because his dad was Saint Mario.
Is Suharto dead yet?
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The federal IDs will also be tied to state driver licenses and will include your SS # and picture.
It will be nice to have all that information and more concentrated in one document for each of the 200 million adults in the USA, so they can er... ah... easily access you.
would have respected Kerry more for endorsing Obama pre Iowa.
just an aside on Kerry. He could never communicate very well, always got the words wrong. like his crticism of Bush once using the words "greater and greater" as negatives.
yesterday he said Barak "Can, will and should be president".
might be nitpicking but the proper sequence is "Can, should and WILL president."
he never could overcome is years of trainng in Senate speak
After threatening to drop his neutral stance in his state's Dem primary in reaction to recent comments by Hillary and Bill about race, South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn confirmed last night that he will remain neutral, after all.
Is Suharto dead yet?
He and Sharon are just pining for the fjords.
I'd blog it and tear it apart except that it's so fucking illogical and stupid you can't really dispute it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:48 am
Someone at the WaPo read some snippet of Weber and decided to run with it without fully understanding what Weber wrote.
Those federal IDs will likely have an RFID chip so your movements can be easily tracked, by any RFID scanner within range of it.
chertoff's guilty until proven innocent comments yesterday screamed of the fascism they embrace - a free populace must ALWAYS question anything which is done in the name of 'national security'
I want a candidate that will stop this fucking REAL ID bullshit.
will include your SS # and picture.
It will be nice to have all that information
Being that the the bushies are terrible at crypto, anyone who has a scanner will find identity theft an easy thing to do.
Kerry's pissed that he doesn't have the balls to try again, but Edwards does, and is doing it with a real, Democratic, populist message.
I think I'm glad that Kerry didn't run again, all things considered. But I did think it was bad form for him to shit on Edwards, especially when he's already down.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:45 am
Kerry's "character moment" for me was a two-fer: the "America, I've got your back" speech... in tandem with him conceding to Dubya before all the returns were counted. Too close to call, we had his back, but he folded like a map.
Is Suharto dead yet?
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:48 am
Last I looked it was multiple organ failure with the machines doing all the heavy lifting.
Mario had to work his way up.
Andrew threatened his way to the semi-top.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:48 am | #
Wapo is trying to clean up the Neo-con theory about religion.
Marx: Religion is the opium of the people
Neo-cons: They're regaining consciousness - give 'em another dose!
After threatening to drop his neutral stance in his state's Dem primary in reaction to recent comments by Hillary and Bill about race, South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn confirmed last night that he will remain neutral, after all.
but look at all that press coverage he got -- and helpfully developed the clintons are racists meme the media is now promoting.
The neverending parade of absolutely abysmal ideas of the Bushboy regime continues to march on and on.
Consider his latest since the doozy to invade Iraq:
1. Privatize SS. 2. Ring Russia with ABMs that don't work and piss off Putin. 3. Spy on US citizens by getting communication companies to listen in to their calls. 4. Create a federal ID system so the government can track US citizens.
And that's just the short list.
Last I looked it was multiple organ failure with the machines doing all the heavy lifting.
You know, I don't wish ill-will upon many people.
But Suharto...
Too close to call, we had his back, but he folded like a map.
filkertom
And still asking me for money the day before the election, when he ended up with, what? 8 mil or so in the bank? While the 'thugs were exhorting people to drag someone to the polls.
That was one fucking grim November morning, let me tell you what.
Kerry - super-rich guy
Edwards - criticizing super rich guys
=
Kerry endorses Obama
Easy.
Mario had to work his way up.
Andrew threatened his way to the semi-top.
Vito Corleone was motivated by need...Michael Corleone was motivated by greed and revenge
You know, I don't wish ill-will upon many people.
But Suharto...
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:52 am
Ya know I'm not losing sleep over him.
Here's the latest from the beeb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-...fic/
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:::The health of former Indonesian leader Suharto has shown signs of improvement a day after he suffered multiple organ failure, doctors treating him say.
The Pertamina hospital in Jakarta said the 86-year-old's consciousness was increasing, his blood pressure stable and fluids in his stomach reduced.
But he is still on a ventilator and shows signs of infection in his lungs. :::
If Obama loses the nomination because Edwards splits the anti-Clinton vote, I won't be offended, but I will be pissed.
Kerry is not a super rich guy as super rich guys go. As I recall his father was a diplomat but it was a rich aunt who paid for his education. Diplomats aren't rich.
His wife, however, has some bucks.
Edwards - criticizing super rich guys
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Kerry endorses Obama
Easy.
DWD - Yuppie Hollow Guru | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:53 am | #
I'm still waiting for Edwards to explain why his friends at Fortress Cap need to get a bailout from the taxpayer.
Hillary's comments on the mortgage crisis are more populist than Edwards.
Geez, what a standard.
Oops Molly I went off to make brekky.
Wait, I thought Edwards was splitting the racist white vote?
I'm so confused.
The NYT gets at one of the big problems with Obama:
In a multiparty parliamentary system, a deft leader can form, dissolve and reorganize governing coalitions, but in the American political system, the imperative of the majority is to hold power and the imperative of the minority is to seize power for itself. It may serve the minority’s interest to cooperate from time to time, but in principle it can advance itself only by opposing the majority.
In a world of bloggers and talk radio and 24/7 news cycles, Mr. Obama — or anyone else who goes into politics — is making promises he can’t keep when he says he wants to work with the other side. Yes, there are moments when politicians look to the common good and when both sides conclude that compromise is in their best interest. In general, however, the nature of American politics is, and should be, adversarial.
For many liberals and independents, the lesson of compassionate conservatism and the Bush presidency has been that policy matters more than campaign rhetoric.
Somehow I can't feel any sympathy for people like Suharto, Pinochet, Saddam or any other inhumane despots.
Ron Paul 4ever Rootless
Wait, I thought Edwards was splitting the racist white vote?
He's splitting the hairdresser vote.
Clinton Aide: Obama Is For People Who Want "Imaginary Hip Black Friend"
An anonymous Clinton adviser made an interesting comment to The Guardian, explaining the difference between Hillary supporters and Obama supporters.
"If you have a social need, you're with Hillary," the aide said. "If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool."
Well, I have Honey Bear Kelly, so I must be for Hillary. Or Edwards.
Somehow I can't feel any sympathy for people like Suharto, Pinochet, Saddam or any other inhumane despots.
Rudy
Really? That's very uncharitable of you, Rudy.
In general, however, the nature of American politics is, and should be, adversarial.
Yes.
"but look at all that press coverage he got -- and helpfully developed the clintons are racists meme the media is now promoting.
nona"
The damage was done. Not sure to who though. The Clintons as racists is so absurd only a deranged moron would pretend to believe it. People don't generally like deranged morons.
Those federal IDs will likely have an RFID chip so your movements can be easily tracked, by any RFID scanner within range of it.
Since most of us carry a drivers license with us the RFID technique will allow your movements to be tagged and recorded - while driving, entering buildings etc wherever the detectors are located without you knowing it. In the same way collecting tape from security cameras can be used to reconstruct your movements the same will be be true with the electronic ID but even more person specific.
hat was one fucking grim November morning, let me tell you what.
Word. All day on election day I kept hearing that he had jets, fueled up, sitting on the runway, full of lawyers, ready to go contest any election any where. Next morning after some of the worst voter suppression in modern times in Ohio, he caved. WTF?
Somehow I can't feel any sympathy for people like Suharto, Pinochet, Saddam or any other inhumane despots.
Rudy
Uh huh and keep going. Any other nice guys around these days.
For many liberals and independents, the lesson of compassionate conservatism and the Bush presidency has been that policy matters more than campaign rhetoric.
Hecate
Yes, and the Media calls this concern with "policy" -- BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.
SteveLG is in Burgundy right now.
when are the american people going to finally be so fed up they will storm the gates?
Baghdad Embassy Is Called A Fire Risk
'Serious' Problems Were Ignored, Says State Dept. Official
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 12, 2008; A01
The firefighting system in the massive $736 million embassy complex in Baghdad has potential safety problems that top U.S. officials dismissed in their rush to declare construction largely completed by the end of last year, according to internal State Department documents, e-mails and interviews.
Some officials assert that in the push to complete the long-delayed project, potentially life-threatening problems have been left untouched. "This is serious enough to get someone killed," said a State Department official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared retaliation. "The fire systems are the tip of the iceberg. That is the most visible. But no one has ever inspected the electrical system, the power plant" and other parts of the embassy complex, which will house more than 1,000 people and is vulnerable to mortar attacks.
Other sources involved in the project, also requesting anonymity, insist that disputes involve technical paperwork issues, largely because the contractor had never built an embassy and did not realize that under State Department rules it needed approval for substituting certain materials. Now, much of that work needs to be reexamined and checked, they said, substantially delaying the project's completion.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...1103772_pf.html
Really, it's the problem with most Senators because of the parliamentary tricks the minority can play. The House can be more rough and tumble and the majority doesn't need cooperation so much from the minority.
Wait, I thought Edwards was splitting the racist white vote?
He's splitting the hairdresser vote.
NTodd
No, he's got the barber and cosmetologist union's endorsement.
The Clintons as racists is so absurd only a deranged moron would pretend to believe it.
Uh,"liberal fascists." There's not a whole lot these idiots won't pretend to believe.
Next morning after some of the worst voter suppression in modern times in Ohio, he caved. WTF?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:58 am | #
I was not surprised. The Ohio theft was done in slow motion. The lawsuits, protests, riots, etc. needed to stop it were never even hinted at.
Yeah, Mrs Kerry has oodles of money and pays for our houses,cars, servants, and everything else but that has NO EFFECT on how I perceive the fucking world. After all, my dad was not rich and I am only a Senator.
John Kerry
God. See how stupid that sounds?
I will vote for Obama if he is the Dem nominee but I prefer Edwards and Hillary to him in that order.
My two biggest problems with Obama are: His thin resume/experience and this idea that he can "bring America together."
I wish he could bring America together but as a policy it is flawed. If he truly pursues a progressive agenda, he will be fought tooth and nail by the rightwingnuts of America, who constitute at least 30%.
He should stand for a positive, progressive agenda and not some idealistic, kumbaya bipartisanship that will never work.
Guantanamo detainees not people. Literally, not "persons" under the law. And “torture is a foreseeable consequence of the military’s detention of suspected enemy combatants.”
Somehow I can't feel any sympathy for people like Suharto, Pinochet, Saddam or any other inhumane despots.
Rudy
This is why Giuliani feels free to engage in intellectual property theft without worrying about patent infringement.
For many liberals and independents, the lesson of compassionate conservatism and the Bush presidency has been that policy matters more than campaign rhetoric.
Call me naive, but I think that Obama's being pretty clever here. He's playing the (fixed) game of politics with a rhetoric that shows a different facet of the party.
We've seen nothing but ineptitude for the last seven years out of but a few of our candidates. He's being aggressive when he needs to...in the primary. He's spoken policy when he needs to...in the debates.
Etc.
The House can be more rough and tumble and the majority doesn't need cooperation so much from the minority.
NTodd, History in the Buff | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 8:59 am | #
Except when it is a republican minority, apparently.
In a world of bloggers and talk radio and 24/7 news cycles, Mr. Obama — or anyone else who goes into politics — is making promises he can’t keep when he says he wants to work with the other side.
i think it's a strategy to win...the country is split 50/50...if you can fool a few of the moron right (like W did with the moron left) you may have a chance...teh NYT is correct that the left isn't as retarded as the right, but winning is what matters
Like who?
That fuckwad Al From, for one.
The Clintons as racists is so absurd only a deranged moron would pretend to believe it.
This meme was developed by the GOP, whose followers are, of course, deranged morons. It was fed to the MCM, who believe the rest of us are morons.
sheets.
and yes. I am the 'champion of the world.'
Next morning after some of the worst voter suppression in modern times in Ohio, he caved. WTF?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I had an anxiety attack so severe that I told my SIL, "we're about 90 seconds from calling 9-1-1."
Baghdad Embassy Is Called A Fire Risk
'Serious' Problems Were Ignored, Says State Dept. Official
Well, why go the extra mile for what will be the best Embassy Iran has in a few years?
Guantanamo detainees not people
Funny thing, I feel the same way about their captors.
He should stand for a positive, progressive agenda and not some idealistic, kumbaya bipartisanship that will never work.
Rudy | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 9:00 am | #
This is a really common comment. Do you think that Obama got a kumbaya view of the world as a community organizer in the projects of chicago (known for their edenic hippie atmosphere) or as an attorney working on voting rights cases (in Chicago !) or was it when he got legislation controlling police interrogations(something that republicans love) or later?
The easy answer to bringing us together?
61 senate democrats, minus lieberman of courseHwr
Power-assist robot suit for farmers
http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008...it-for-farmers/
The House, which is probably the most influential political talk show in Canada, just did a piece reminding us that Hillary once spouted a bunch of bullshit about some of the 9-11 terrorists coming from Canada. I don't think Canadians will ever forgive her for that.
That NYT article was weird. It implied that Republicans will "get destroyed" by Obama. It also implies that Obama will move the left after he is elected.
The full final lines are:
For many liberals and independents, the lesson of compassionate conservatism and the Bush presidency has been that
policy matters more than campaign rhetoric. Conservatives
who are drawn to Mr. Obama’s politics of hope would be
wise to remember that.
Just for the record, because no one cares, I am offended more by the Hillary and Obama candidacies. They seem to be running for corporate president of the united states. They are certainly taking enough money from the corporations to insure that they don't do anything that the corporations don't like.
Edwards candidacy doesn't offend me at all. At least he's running for the people.
Well maybe, perhaps the Clintons, among other bigwigs. What crap the WaPo can spout. Please: may Mr. and Mrs. Clinton not be allowed to swap their former offices in the White House. Oh, pretty please.
god damn beltway bumpkins talking shit about non-DLCers. Edwards is fighting the money grubbers on Wall St and the Broderites are peeing their pants
Who is he offending? Well, Lawrence O'Donnell thinks Edwards is standing in the way of a black president. I'm sure there are at least a few Obama supporters who agree with him.
How would anyone know? They don't give him any coverage.
That crap ran as a "news analysis" rather than an editorial. What a piece of crap.
When did Edwards cross over from optimism to anger? That's the new phrase for him. Angry populist.
Name them! Fucking WaPo.
...the lesson of compassionate conservatism and the Bush presidency has been that
policy matters more than campaign rhetoric.
"The Lesson?" Are they fucking serious? No one with any cognitive ability at all ever believed one iota of that "compassionate conservative" horse shit. For 7 years we've watched the horrific fruits of conservative compassion reign death, destruction, and suffering across the globe. Their was never a lesson to learn. Just the unending horror of listening to lies and waiting for the next shoe of hate and suffering to drop.
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"Edwards has offended many Democrats with his candidacy. They question his authenticity and see his shift from optimism to anger as the sign of an opportunistic politician."
Candidates do not run the type of campaign that Edwards is running because it is easy or fun. They do so because it is important and necessary. John Edwards talks about things that matter.
Frankly, I suspect that Edwards has "offended" Those Who Count--namely, the establishment Dems.
It's certainly seemed to me lately as if he's been disappeared within the party. He's got no endorsements; he's got no friends within the party. The big boys have apparently decided that Obama is much more "manageable" by the powers that be; and, of course, Clinton is One of Them--so she's no threat to the Establishment Dems.
Dodd was this country's best hope for real change. With him gone, Edwards is the only candidate who seems to be not-yet-bought-and-paid-for. But we're well on the road back to the status quo. Edwards is likely not in the race for much longer.
Between the frontrunners, there's not much hope for change from where they are now. Obama's "unity" crap is simply code for "we're not going to indict anyone." And, of course, Hillary has run from any suggestion that the criminals be prosecuted when power changes hands--because that's how you keep from pissing the important people off.
Oh, we'll get a Dem elected; and the Dems will be happy, happy--convinced that this means that Everything Will Change. Then President Obama or President Clinton will turn to us, as the establishment Dems always do, and ask us to be a little more patient, and wait a little longer, because change doesn't happen overnight.
Next thing you know, it will be 4 years later, 8 years later, and a couple of minor shifts will have occurred--the Dems will have "won" on a couple of token issues, and Bush won't be spreading his patented brand of American Hubris around the world, and the conservatives will be screaming "treason" in the streets just like they did in the good old days; but it will be so very much more of the same. The corporations will continue to run Washington, individuals will continue to lose our freedoms, and the endless war will be no closer to over.
I can hardly wait.
Dan Balz has butt-raped many goats.
'His thin resume/experience'
As opposed to Hillary's whopping 1 extra term in the Senate.
I think given what's happened in the last week, Edwards will have no choice but to go after Obama in future debates.
1. Disaster in New Hampshire
2. Culinary Workers
3. The Kerry endorsement(meaningless except to Edwards)
4. Ran interference in the last debate and got his hat handed to him. Blundered badly afterwards
5. They're starting to turn on him.
It's also been reported that Obama talked Edwards into removing his name from the ballot in Michigan.
He may be quite angry by the time the next debate rolls around.
Blogwhoring is a noble profession...
Getting Dan by the Balz...
He's offended me.
I plan to offend many Democrats on Feb. 5 by voting for John Edwards.
Like who? Like me. the only thing edwards brings to this campaign is his penis and his white skin.
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