I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
big glasses, ewwww.
What? I'm really first again? unpossible!
Height-ist!
snuggly
I don't get hung up in ordinality.
Yeesh. Thanks for the damn earworm.
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Then you are a wiser and less silly man than am I. 
catalexis | 07.26.08 - 1:12 am | #
You're number one! You're number one!
I'm off to watch Saving Grace with Holly Hunter. Wheee!
Bed...grass to be mowed in the morning. Yay.
Terrorist fist bumps to you all and to all a good night!
music of the spheres
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...e.blogspot.com/
That clip is older than Julius Caesar.
bumpin' backatcha, spocko. 'night.
just peeled a batch of chicken breatesses, pups have full tummies. Haz broth, chicken for chicken salad, bbq'd chicken, chicken gumbo, chicken & noodles. Damn I can eat for at least a month.
It's 3:00am in the Whitehouse,
The presidents phone rings,
President McCain rolls out of bed,
Picks up his denture,
Puts them to his ear,
And says "hello"
"Nothing's obviously wrong? I must be doomed!"
Isn't this part of the hooman condition, Phila?
Gaiii.
driftglass
http://bp1.blogger.com/
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Heightist!
I'm too sleepy for this. Have a good night, bats.
I'm too sleepy for this. Have a good night, bats.
Marcellina | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 1:20 am | #
goodnight - back in germany in late august.
Great tune, but not as good as his album "Randy Newman's 'Faust'".
I see. So now it's pasty white tall people here at Eschaton Central....
Why cain't Atrios play a Monkees clip?
He's played Stones and Beatles clips before.
Pleasant Valley Sunday is a decent song.
I'm going on nineteen hours now, I'd better call it a day too. Have great dreams and inexplicably restful sleep and while you're trying to figure that out may something really nice just surprise the hell out of you all. Goodnight.
Saw Randy at The Orpheum last year, and he was fucking amazing. The Godfather of Snark, or something similar...
Randy Newman is one of my very favorites but "Political Science" or "Guilty" are loads better.
On the other hand, this is pretty great for pure snark.
I am sorry. Should I change my name or just be known as a troll ?
wow, buku trolls a poppin'
So now it's pasty white gravity challenged people here at Eschaton Central....
flory
fyt
Marcellina, Leopard, (OS X 10.5) is not at all happy with the current AOL application.
There is a beta that seems to work, after a fashion.
For email, she can use the AOL.com site with Safari or Firefox.
Why cain't Atrios play a Monkees clip?
Even Teh Sweaty Lunk™ has standards?
Good night bats. Dream of good times to come.
Randy Newman played that song in June 1978. That was yesterday. Maybe last week. Or at least a month ago. Damn where did the time go?
And the river just keeps rolling along.
fyt
baba durag
'enkew.
'night, Echidne.
A guy walks into a bar with a steaming pile of shit in his hand and says "Look what I almost stepped in!!
Saw Randy at The Orpheum last year, and he was fucking amazing. The Godfather of Snark
I swear my "snark" was totally independent of your "snark". He just brings that word to mind. But it's intelligent snark.
And I've seen him in concert more than anyone else - from a college gym in Kentucky about 25 or 30 years ago to about five years ago.
I don't know what he does exactly but he puts on a great concert.
Oooooookay when trolls show up naming themselves after NJ politicians, coupled with it being 1:20 here in Brooklyn.....
Check please, table 2!
A good night from VIRGIL and myself.
Peace out.'
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The key demographic in November will be the
gravitational-potentially challenged. Obama is
six inches taller than McCain. We're in trouble.
I bet our commander in thief, little king pissypants was throwing a temper tantrum in the Oval office when he saw all of the Germans who showed up to listen to Obama speak.
Good times ...
Even Teh Sweaty Lunk™ has standards?
flory
Oh Crap, the Monkees had killer 60's hits, written, and sometimes studio performed by the best available talent in the business.
And a little killfile at Florio before I leave.
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"Climb aboard little Todd, and sail away with me...."
Yeah, it flops me out a bit that my time reference seems all askew as I get older. 1978 seems like not that long ago.
But say...30 years backwards from 1968 (when I was in high school) seems like a century ago.
Freaky.
I bet our commander in thief, little king pissypants was throwing a temper tantrum in the Oval office when he saw all of the Germans who showed up to listen to Obama speak.
Time to invade.
=JERUSALEM - An Israeli newspaper's decision to publish a handwritten prayer left by Barack Obama in the cracks of Jerusalem's Western Wall drew criticism Friday as an invasion of his privacy and his relationship with God.
In the note, placed at Judaism's holiest site Thursday, Obama asks God to guide him and guard his family.
"Lord — Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will," reads the note published in Maariv.
Maariv ran a photograph of the note on its front page Friday. It said the note was removed from the wall by a Jewish seminary student immediately after Obama left.
"Vat did he say?"
Gilly Gonzylon | 07.26.08 - 1:26 am | #
There is a beta that seems to work, after a fashion.
For email, she can use the AOL.com site with Safari or Firefox.
Chris Tucker
Hang on, that woke me back up.
aol is how we are getting online. Can you tell me if there is a way to use their dial-up access but then use the mac's mail program and safari instead? I am by no means an expert at this and am on my own.
I am downloading a 10.5.3 update which is supposed to make i more stable.
wazzup, that should be...a guy walks into a bar with George W. Bush in his hand and says hey look what I almost stepped in.
And a little killfile at Florio before I leave.
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hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark
'night. And thank you for your public service.
A parting gift for a fellow Monkees fan
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o9IzVbuGHXY
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At least Father of King Pissypants was honest enough to say he was jealous of Obama.
I've finally caught up on my paperwork so it's time for bed. Farmers market early tomorrow. Everyone be well.
At least Father of King Pissypants was honest enough to say he was jealous of Obama.
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Thats little king pissypants to you! 
I bet our commander in thief, little king pissypants was throwing a temper tantrum in the Oval office when he saw all of the Germans who showed up to listen to Obama speak.
Well, if he hadn't behaved like the little punk he is, and if he hadn't insisted on the entire German police force shooing people off the streets (fearful as he was of someone lobbing something overripe at him because he is a little punk), maybe he could have had a little turnout himself....
this is the best representation of this internet tradition i am aware of.
montag | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 1:33 am | #
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All true montag but of course it would also help if Bush knew how to speak the english language and had a larger vocabulary than a third grade drop out.
If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:
* G = 3 (gimel)
* e = 5 (heh)
* o = 70 (ayin)
* r = 200 (resh)
* g = 3 (gimel)
* e = 5 (heh)
* B = 2 (beth)
* u = 70 (ayin)
* s = 300 (shin)
* h = 8 (cheth)
* total = 666 (Antichrist)
PELOSI IS AN ACOLYTE OF SATAN!!!
Treasury Dept requested an additional 9 million to protect candidates today. fucking goppers.
What are you crazy kids doing up at this hour?
"Look John, we've got to counter that Berlin speech shindig that Obie is doing... I got it! Let's stage a photo op at a German restaurant here in town!"
What are you crazy kids doing up at this hour?
geor3ge
Orgy. You?
A steaming pile of George in his hand and said," Look what tried to screw me??
Orgy. You?
Looking for an orgy. Room for one more?
All true montag but of course it would also help if Bush knew how to speak the english language and had a larger vocabulary than a third grade drop out.
And, still talks down to people as if they're all idiots. So, I amend my description: snotty little fratboy punk.
Randy Newman is one of my very favorites but "Political Science" or "Guilty" are loads better.
On the other hand, this is pretty great for pure snark.
Try "In Germany Before the War" for pure creepy.
best overnight atrios musical clip EVAH!
It's never too late for Friday Nudibranch Blogging.
At least, I hope it isn't.
Thats little king pissypants to you!
(smacks self in forehead!)
"Little" is the definitive word for any Bush insult. He's the tiniest president..ever.
No one gets him better than Pat Oliphant.
Simels will back me up. As bubblegum and artifice as the Monkees were supposed to be, they cut some really memorably good albums in the mid 60's.
And Hendrix opened for them.
RE: AOL and 10.5
go to http://www.aol.com, and she can log in with her user name and password.
Any current browser will work. Email is handled via a web interface.
It's not so much that Leopard is unstable, it's that the AOL application is unstable under Leopard.
There is, as I mentioned, a beta AOL app she can try.
What are you crazy kids doing up at this hour?
geor3ge
been reading the transcripts of un-impeachment hearings. So fucking pissed I'm getting drunk just so I can go to sleep.
untrolled you the same nite.
Treasury Dept requested an additional 9 million to protect candidates today. fucking goppers.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 1:36 am | #
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While both parties got $500,000.00 each for their conventions and yet FEMA refuses to dish out a $1 million for the state of Minnesota to help pay for clean up costs of the 35W bridge collapse.
untrolled you the same nite.
Really didn't mean to piss you off. Profuse apologies if I did.
PELOSI IS AN ACOLYTE OF SATAN!!!
That's not very respectful of an honored guest.
LBJ, JFK, & The American Coup d'etat of Nov. 22, 1963
by L. Fletcher Prouty
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas. On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document, as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and would not have signed it. Why would it have been drafted for his signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963 Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to investigate the assassination of John F. Kennedy. These men were: Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep. Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles, formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY; and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did not serve with that body.
Johnson and Hoover were old friends who had lived across the street from each other in Washington for the past 19 years. They understood each other. They needed each other. As recorded in a Memorandum for the Record, written by Hoover on that date and copied for eight of his senior FBI deputies, Lyndon Johnson, who had been in the third car behind Kennedy in the Dallas motorcade, took advantage of this first White House meeting to ask his old friend some personal questions that had caused him great concern since the assassination.
He asked, "How many shots were fired?" Hoover told him, "Three." Then Johnson asked, if any had been fired at him? Hoover replied, "No, three shots were fired at the President and we have them. The President was hit by the first and third bullets and the second hit the Governor (Connally)." (This statement was wrong, e.g. one stray bullet hit a curbstone one and one - half blocks away and a fragment wounded a bystander. That bullet was a missed shot: therefore it was either number four, or the cause of the contrived theory about the "Magic" bullet that allegedly hit both men.)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/
p...onJohnson.shtml
A steaming pile of George in his hand and said," Look what tried to screw me??
wazzup | 07.26.08 - 1:36 am | #
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LMAO!
No one gets him better than Pat Oliphant.
I noticed in the summer of 2001 that Oliphant was drawing him incrementally smaller. By the time Bush is finally gone, he'll be no bigger than Oliphant's little penguin mascot....
ATICA ATICA ATICA ATICA ATICA
Dr Moog is in the house!
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And so to bed!
Also saw where they had to supplement the highway funds today, so I guess that gas tax holiday wasn't such a great idea.
Try "In Germany Before the War" for pure creepy.
geor3ge | 07.26.08 - 1:38 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Seconded.
Chris Tucker, forgive me but I don't quite understand. She is using aol to gain dial-up access to the web to begin with. She uses their access numbers to get on. Not being from around here anymore, I haven't the faintest idea what other dial-up options are available.
Try "In Germany Before the War" for pure creepy.
He does it all, doesn't he. He's the master of gorgeous melodies vs. unsettling lyrics.
"God's Song" for one.
But for unrelenting heat I recommend Etta James doing his "Burn Down the Cornfield".
And for weirdness - Ray Charles doing "Sail Away".
amy goodman:
Glenn Greenwald of Salon.com recently pointed out that the Democratic conventioneers and registered media in attendance will receive a tote bag prominently emblazoned with the AT&T logo. It's a perfect metaphor for a much larger gift, the one Democrats and Republicans just gave AT&T and other telecoms: retroactive immunity for spying on U.S. citizens. While Sens. Russ Feingold and Chris Dodd fought the bill, Sen. Barack Obama, until recently a staunch opponent of telecom immunity, reversed his position and supported it, reneging on a pledge to filibuster. Perfect timing.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
op...2112_amy25.html
wazzup, didn't you find what congressman Maurice Hinchey had to say at todays Executive power hearing on CSPAN today?
The part where he said "Our troops in Afghanistan had Bin Laden trapped in Boro Boro but Sec of defense Rumsfeld had the troops pull back, because the administration knew if they captured Bin Laden they would have a harder case to build to attack Iraq. Very interesting in dead....hang em, hang em high! Watch them choke and watch them die!
notaboomer generation jones! | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 1:45 am | #
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Damn, you must of read my mind, I was just going to post that. Nice deal they made huh?
Best Monkees song EVER!
I'm rather partial to this, personally...
goodnight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8j_TDoOPnIA
I noticed in the summer of 2001 that Oliphant was drawing him incrementally smaller. By the time Bush is finally gone, he'll be no bigger than Oliphant's little penguin mascot....
And Cheney looms over him like a great, mad beast.
Gad. Too realistic for words.
Duane V, possegotvelocity,
A little caution and perspective is urged when invoking Prouty. He was associated with some "unusual characters" on the far right, thought Churchill poisoned FDR, etc...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm
should have said amy goodman on campaign finance loophole that permits big $ corporate gifts to conventions.
I think Randy Newman succeeds because he's got nice simple melodies combined with highly satirical lyrics. He's like Tom Lehrer with more bite and more chagrin, and less pedal-stomping.
He also has a way with a melancholy tune without ever being maudlin about it, as with "Dixie Flyer."
Fucking hilarious Zappa/Nesmith sendup
Ya, I found it funny when the congressmen who talked before Wexler,(white hair from Indianna) said the President was given authority to invade Iraq and Iran, oooopppsssss!
Impeach these fuckers now!!!!!!
He's like Tom Lehrer with more bite and more chagrin, and less pedal-stomping.
I believe it was CREEM Magazine that characterized "Sail Away" as "Tom Lehrer transported to modern-day Saigon" or words to that effect...
Duanne V,Anything on Nixon and B.B Rebozo? or Nixon leaving the order to invade the Nam that Ike wouldn't sign?
While Prouty quotes accurately from the Report from Iron Mountain, he fails to realize it was a complete hoax. There was no group in underground storage vaults in Iron Mountain, no study of the elimination of the war threat, no report from power brokers. The "Report from Iron Mountain" was a brilliant spoof by political satirist Leonard Lewin of think tanks in 1967. . . . [Lewin could not] forsee . . . that this hoax would reemerge a quarter of a century later, first in radical-right radio broadcasts and Liberty Lobby publications, and then as the connective logic of Oliver Stone's film JFK. (pp. 578-580)
I was just looking at a lawsuit referencing "The Iron Mountain Plan" earlier tonite. I'd take that "educate yourself" website with a great bushel of salt. Read the lawsuit:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/.../
TylerWacko.htm
Marcellina - if you're still up.... once you connect with the AOL application, you can then "hide" it, and use the Mail app and Safari. I think that's what you were asking about...
I listened for a couple of hours. This transcript leaves little or no doubt as to the criminals in office:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl.../317/203/
557123
Hey
what is the current outrage?
There is a tremendous amount of conspiracism infecting the left these days, understandably, due to recent history, but let's not get carried away like the black helicopter crowd.
He also has a way with a melancholy tune without ever being maudlin about it, as with "Dixie Flyer."
" Louisiana, 1927" may be my favorite for a beautiful melody and a haunting lyric. His connection to the area shows. And you probably know - he had three uncles who were film composers. He was born to write music but he's unique..though he can Tom Waits both have a modern feel for Tin Pan Alley type songs.
I sing his songs all the time, round the house. I am kinda careful with "Rednecks".
Duanne V,Anything on Nixon and B.B Rebozo? or Nixon leaving the order to invade the Nam that Ike wouldn't sign?
From what I've read, I think Ike and Nixon were a lot more occupied with Cuba at the end of Eisenhower's term.
In a backhanded way, they were trying to tilt the election to Nixon by declaring the embargo on Cuba a few months before the election. The available histories seemed to indicate that the CIA was telling Ike that they had Vietnam under control and were making progress, and Ike, after the purported successes in Iran and Guatemala, probably believed Allen Dulles when he said that things were going well.
He does it all, doesn't he. He's the master of gorgeous melodies vs. unsettling lyrics.
He deserves a ton of credit for his arrangements, too, which are brilliant, by and large...somewhere in between Mahler and Joseph Lamb...
what is the current outrage?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
youngin's you okay?
The first American Coup d'etat was on Nov. 22, 1963.
The second American Coup d'etat was on Sep. 11, 2001.
BACKGROUND
Plaintiff Teri Smith Tyler, appearing pro se, filed a complaint in December 1992 alleging a bizarre conspiracy involving the defendants to enslave and oppress certain segments of our society. Plaintiff contends she is a cyborg, and that she received most of the information which forms the basis for her complaint, through "proteus", which I read to be some silent, telepathic form of communication. See complaint, at 1, and Affidavit accompanying November 1993 Order to Show Cause, at P g. She asserts that the defendants are involved in the "Iron Mountain Plan", which provides for the reinstitutionalization of slavery and "bloodsports" (which she identifies as death-hunting [FN1] and witch-hunting), and the oppression of political dissidents, herself included. Plaintiff's complaint alleges a number of personal indignities visited upon her by defendants: "strafing of my dormitory room by planes and helicopters, the electronic bugging of my student rooms and apartments, deliberate noise harassment, blasting of loud rock music with lyrics designed for witch-hunts (music about social pariahs) ... students following me around to prevent me from studying, whispering campaigns and social ostrification ..." Complaint, at 1-2. Plaintiff also makes the following allegations against the defendants. Former President Jimmy Carter was the secret head of the Ku Klux Klan; Bill Clinton is the biological son of Jimmy Carter; President Clinton and Ross Perot have made fortunes in the death-hunting industry, and are responsible for the murder of at least 10 million black women in concentration camps, their bodies sold for meat and their skin turned into leather products. The defendants are also responsible for breeding farms, which turn out 2,000 black girls a year, who are then sold for recreational murder or as human pets. Additionally, the defendants utilize weather control and earthquake technology to threaten other countries that object to the Iron Mountain plan.
Dismissed, naturally and her filing fees refunded.
He deserves a ton of credit for his arrangements, too, which are brilliant, by and large...somewhere in between Mahler and Joseph Lamb...
That's to be expected. As I recall, in between gigs, he made his living as a Hollywood arranger.
The second American Coup d'etat was on Nov. 4, 2000.
Uncle Fester Lurks
fiddled your times
The second American Coup d'etat was on Dec. 12, 2000.
fyt
kaymoutl8rh9rz
Heading out. G'night.
Meanwhile, get thee to a nudibranchery.
coke me baby
wazzup, didn't you find what congressman Maurice Hinchey had to say at todays Executive power hearing on CSPAN today?
Good nudibranching, and way cool pic of the condors(?), Phila.
Umm, the 2000 general election was held on Nov. 7th.
Nesmith looked better, IMO, in flowing Zappa locks.
And gave Zappa as good as he took.
"You're a popular musician. I'm dirty, gross and ugly."
Umm, the 2000 general election was held on Nov. 7th.
montag
typo. still first.
One of Mike Nesmith's better turns as a Monkee.
And Julie Newmar to boot!
typo. still first.
Ah, but, the real coup didn't occur on the day of the election. It occurred with the Supreme Court decision to effectively kill the vote-counting, which would have shown Gore the winner....
montag
pedant.
I thought it interesting how the idea came up in the hearings today that FDR may have let the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor, in order to facilitate war. They came perilously close to expressing doubt as to the true pretext for the "war on terror". The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and the Maine were also brought up...The Wilson Administration, and his desire to involve the U.S. in a war he'd campaigned against wasn't, but it'd be irresponsible not to speculate about the weapons the Lusitania carried...
apparently I'm going to sleep on the sofa tonight. Fed the pups a bunch of chicken, they're spayed across the bed. I went back to scooch them over, they both growled at me. That's never happened.
pedant.
Guilty.
"youngin's you okay?"
thanks for askin
he's ok and after talking to him the car isn't that badly damaged
coke to montag
Check this shit out! It's an excerpt from a book titled "A Most Dangerous Game" by Cathy O'Brien who claims she was involved in human hunting at a hunting lodge where she claims she was then raped by Dick Cheney.
http://
www.theforbiddenknowledge...gerous_game.htm
He deserves a ton of credit for his arrangements, too, which are brilliant, by and large...somewhere in between Mahler and Joseph Lamb...
That's it - again those lush arrangement up against such a variety of lyrics, from sentimental to incredibly stark to hilarious ("Burn On") to cynical.
Another particular favorite is "I Think It's Going to Rain Today". I yelled for it at the first concert I ever saw by him. I was so pleased when he sang it. Then at the end of the second concert, I realized..he always closes his concert with that song.
Oh well, there went my power at getting requests.
Duane it was kind of strange how when one of the panelists was describing FDR/Pearl Harbor, Vietnam/Gulf of Tonkin incident as events whether known or not have lead us to war, then kind of shut up as if to think of 9/11/Iraq....
coke to montag
Tell ya what--we'll split one, okay?
Tell ya what--we'll split one, okay?
montag
Ok. But I'm buyin', since you get the good sport award.
wazzup, didn't you find what congressman Maurice Hinchey had to say at todays Executive power hearing on CSPAN today?
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Don't look now but the cowardly, name stealing ctber stalking loser has arrived.
One of Mike Nesmith's better turns as a Monkee.
And Julie Newmar to boot!
dave™© | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 2:10 am | #/I>
But it was two years after "Help", with four other good looking lads going after Eleanor Bron.
Allo, mes peeps.
then kind of shut up as if to think of 9/11/Iraq....
Uncle Fester Lurks
Bush's culture of homeland terrorism.
Ok. But I'm buyin', since you get the good sport award.
I'll get the tip. The economy must be killin' the waitresses' take-home.
Clearly, by late 1963, the decision had been made that:
1. "Kennedy had to be deprived of re-election."
2. "Kennedy had to go."
3. "A Kennedy dynasty had to be thwarted."
The fact of conspiracy, underscored by President Johnson himself, makes it clear that the Report of the Warren Commission, which maintains that one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, with one "mail order" rifle and three bullets killed John F. Kennedy and severely wounded Governor John B. Connally at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, is totally false and contrived.
The Report of the Warren Commission has been used to provide the life blood of a massive cover-story that has been kept alive for decades to brainwash generations of Americans and others around the world. It perpetuates the American coup d'etat.
A case can be made for no conspiracy, when it can be proved that one man acted alone. As soon as more than one man is involved, the senseless act of a "lone nut" can no longer be used. A conspiracy is evidence of malice and of an evil plan to obtain an objective. This is the great significance of Johnson's statements. He confirms the conspiracy.
These points are topped by his belief that "We had been operating a dammed Murder Inc." This fact defines the nature of the crime. Note Johnson's choice of words. "We had been operating…" The "We" has to mean the United States Government, or at least an agency or instrumentality of the government. Further, Johnson underscores that "We had been operating" this murder capability over time. He does not limit its work to a single event, i.e. the Kennedy murder. He remembers back through the years to the close of the WW II, at least, to the uncounted times when enemies of the government had been killed by this "Murder Inc." quickly, cleanly and with precision...and without their apprehension and prosecution by anyone. This is the nature of a government sponsored "Hit Man" professional operation.
Johnson chose the Mafia term "Murder Inc." to describe what he meant. This choice of words has great significance. Teams of professional "hit men" are recruited, trained, equipped and provided with a complex of "real life" identities, by this government, in order that they may live this strange existence as normal individuals. They are always available for these special duties any where and against any target. They are skilled automatons who are set in motion by a code system that does not require the identities of those who have made the "Decision."
Johnson goes one step further. He calls this unit "Murder Inc." As we know, a corporate body is eternal, if desired. These murder teams belong to an organization that is, in a special sense, timeless. Such murders are not arranged and carried out on an "ad hoc" basis. These teams are always ready. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/
p...onJohnson.shtml
Evenin', and smooches, to Willendorf.
Ooh. Thanks for smoochy greeting, baba.
I'll get the tip. - montag
Deal.
must sleep night
Me too, good night all!
The fact of conspiracy, underscored by President Johnson himself, makes it clear that the Report of the Warren Commission, which maintains that one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, with one "mail order" rifle and three bullets killed John F. Kennedy and severely wounded Governor John B. Connally at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, is totally false and contrived.
Yeah, the investigation was handled badly, perhaps intentionally (good Repug friend Gerald Ford figured prominently in some of that finagling).
But, we're not likely to know any of the salient details. Lots of stuff was destroyed.
Now, I don't take this very seriously, but for shits and giggles, Google "Jimmy Files" and JFK together.
Good night, Uncles!
'night, Uncle Blodge. You're no hero, but we like ya.
'night, Unca Fester.
Where was Steve Simels on November 22, 1963?
Arlen Specter was on the grassy knoll.
Where was Steve Simels on November 22, 1963?
il Ragazzo di Kenosha
Wasn't he directing a guy named Zapruder?
Here's a little bit of intelligence on the war on terror.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Mid...t/
JG25Ak03.html
Bushie's buddy's are implicated to the hilt.
Arlen Specter was on the grassy knoll.
Yeah, but he couldn't hit anything. He never has been able to in his whole life....
Simels? Jewish. Zapruder? Jewish. Case closed.
Simels? Jewish. Zapruder? Jewish. Case closed.
il Ragazzo di Kenosha
Blogwhore in 3.. 2..
FDR/Pearl Harbor, Vietnam/Gulf of Tonkin incident as events whether known or not have lead us to war, then kind of shut up as if to think of 9/11/Iraq....
Uncle Fester Lurks
They were brought up as a defense of George Bush. The guy who said it was saying we would have had to impeach a whole bunch of Presidents, because they were involved in politically expedient LIHOP or MIHOP scenarios. I disagree with most of what he said, but not this. We probably should have.
Pakistan and Israel are the only two countries founded as religious states, (Iran wasn't founded that way, just altered to it). The idea that it will become secular denies all realities about the people and the culture there.
Where was Steve Simels on November 22, 1963?
il Ragazzo di Kenosha
Well, that particular Friday he probably didn't get lucky.
yeah, luved how the repugs kept trying to justify themselves by quoting the Dem's that were fed false info.
Wasn't the Spanish-American War ginned up as well?
They just have to have their glorious wars. Jeez, I am ashamed to be a human sometimes.
yeah, luved how the repugs kept trying to justify themselves by quoting the Dem's that were fed false info.
1Watt
Got some of that today. DOAN WANT.
it = Pakistan.
simels regrets Zapruders' error.
Wasn't the Spanish-American War ginned up as well?
Oh crap yes. It was one of the most eaily avoidable Wars were ever conducted.
We got Gitmo and Guam out of it.
Pakistan and Israel are the only two countries founded as religious states
Vatican City, baybee.
On my iTunes I have a cover of Guantanamera by Los Lobos. Great song, but painful to listen to these past few years.
Vatican City, baybee.
Willendorf Venus
granted. but not really "founded", were they.
The Spanish American War and the Mexican War were both just us banging our penis and ballsack around.
WWII was different. We lost four hundred thousand young men in WWII.
Kennedy wasn't going along with the plan. Remember "Operation Northwoods"?
Operation Northwoods
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR
From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.
...In [Joint Chief's chair] Lemnitzer's view, the country would be far better off if the generals could take over. [JFK assassination legend has it some general presided over the fudgy JFK autopsy. --Mk]
For those military officers who were sitting on the fence, the Kennedy administration's botched Bay of Pigs invasion was the last straw. "The Bay of Pigs fiasco broke the dike," said one report at the time. "President Kennedy was pilloried by the super patriots as a 'no-win' chief . . . The Far Right became a fount of proposals born of frustration and put forward in the name of anti-Communism. . . Active-duty commanders played host to anti-Communist seminars on their bases and attended or addressed Right-wing meetings elsewhere."
Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.
According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.
http://
www.whatreallyhappened.co...northwoods.html
granted. but not really "founded", were they.
baba durag
losted, then?
losted, then?
Willendorf Venus
remnanted from former glory days?
Wasn't the Spanish-American War ginned up as well?
Remember the Maine?
A boiler blew up. And, the blamed the Spanish so they could take Cuba...
Bush has destroyed the Monroe Doctrine
too. China has influenced So. Am., Russia is making inroads in Cent. Am.
...he Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government....they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war
nah.
Wilson wanted to get the U.S. involved in WWI, & magically, the Lusitania was torpedoed by the evil Huns!
(never mind the weapons we were smuggling to the English in civilian ocean liners - it was THEIR fault...)
Waitaminit. Wasn't Vatican City ultimately founded by Romulus and Remus? No?
Aeneas?
Yabbut not as a religious state. OK.
Arguing w/myself here.
nah.
leibniz leibkins
Operation Northwoods.
We got Gitmo and Guam out of it.
Yeah, but the real prize in that was the Philippines, because it was intended as a refueling point within easy distance (~ 400 miles) of the coast of China. Look up one Sen. Albert J. Beveridge on that subject....
Puerto Rico and Guam and Cuba were almost afterthoughts. Cuba remained a virtual US protectorate with no funding, until 1933, when Batista took control.
Roosevelt desperately wanted to get the U.S. involved in WWII, but the American people were wary following their last involvement in a European war...
Lucky for the Brits, the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor! (ignore those nasty rumors that we'd cracked the code)...
History can be so convenient..
The US after the carnage of our own Civil War, is very touchy about losing soldiers.
Much more than Britain, France, Germany, or Russia.
They lost fucking millions in WWI and WWII.
That was Rome (from Romulus).
Vat City is the last vestige of the Holy Roman Empire. They've been given nation status to accord them status and privilege. But that was granted by Italy.
We're really splitting hairs though.
From my inbox:
"THURSDAY, July 24 (HealthDay News) -- Between 2002 and 2005, the number of prescriptions filled for antidepressant drugs increased from 154 million to 170 million, according to a report released Thursday by the U.S. government."
Can't imagine why that would be.
"THURSDAY, July 24 (HealthDay News) -- Between 2002 and 2005, the number of prescriptions filled for antidepressant drugs increased from 154 million to 170 million, according to a report released Thursday by the U.S. government."
Can't imagine why that would be.
Laura Bush?
Can't imagine why that would be.
Laura Bush?
leibniz leibkins
Cindy McCain.
Laura Bush?
leibniz leibkins
Can you imagine being married to that smug prick? I almost feel sorry for her.
That's why I never could understand how we go so down on France, just because she disagreed with Bush.
France has bled its young men dry for several centuries on goosechase crap.
I, for one, give them a pass on this last misadventure.
Can you imagine being married to that smug prick? I almost feel sorry for her.
Got her outta the library, didn't it?
I can take both of my hands, hands just large enough to palm a basketball, and when I wrap them around my thigh at its thickest point only 2/3's of the thigh is covered.
How thick is my thigh? By my hands.
I see the Bay of Pigs, Operation Northwoods (and Kennedy's quashing of the plan), NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963 (Kennedy had decreed then that "the bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965), the subsequent Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the installation of Bush, 9/11, and the Iraq Invasion all on a historic continuum. Viewed this way, it all makes sense.
3 hands over pi.
Can you imagine being married to that smug prick? I almost feel sorry for her.
baba durag
Dang. And I thought my own mercifully failed marriage was fucked up. Can't even bear thinking about that one.
He must be really, really good in bed.
/help me, someone
That's why I never could understand how we go so down on France, just because she disagreed with Bush.
Easy target. Combines American exceptionalism with xenophobia and age-old American resistance to Western Europe as our elders, along with decades-old resentment about France not knuckling under to the US's notions about NATO.
Really, really rich.
That's why I never could understand how we go so down on France
Cheese eating surrender monkeys.
More lovely news:
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He must be really, really good in bed.
/help me, someone
An egotistical, self-important numbnut with a political agenda that discriminates against women and their rights and feels not the slightest twinge of conscience about perpetuating mayhem?
Oh, yeah, right, that's the profile of a tender and competent lover....
Uh oh. I owe the AP some money now.
They can get in line.
Like Atrios, I'm starting to worry about WaMu. But, damn I like them.
That's why I never could understand how we go so down on France
Cheese eating surrender monkeys.
baba durag
We have enormous oceans on either side, both bristling with navies enjoying perfect harbors.
I mean, c'mon.
Oh, yeah, right, that's the profile of a tender and competent lover....
montag
Absolutely. That Laura is a lucky woman, all right.
9/11 was no more an attack on the U.S. than the Gulf of Tonkin incident was. Only difference is that 3,000 Americans died on 9/11, but that was just part of the stage - craft for the people running the operation. Who were those people? Who thought up Operation Northwoods, and wrote that PNAC document saying we wouldn't go for their radical revision of U.S. foreign policy unless a bunch of Americans died in some "Pearl Harbor" type incident?
Isn't it funny that just such an incident happened, right after PNAC got into power? Thank you, Supreme Court..
I mean, c'mon.
MP
Just kidding, MP. I agree with you. Especially in light of all they did to help us shake off the Brits.
Duane V, you are about to make me resume drinking, here.
Just kidding, MP. I agree with you. Especially in light of all they did to help us shake off the Brits.
baba durag
We forgot what it took to get the Statue of Liberty in place tout suote, didn't we?
We forgot what it took to get the Statue of Liberty in place tout suote, didn't we?
MP
The pennies of schoolchildren?
New Orleans was flooded with military band instruments at the conclusion of the Spanish-American war.
The French are understandably wary od us, but by and large have been our friends when we *really* needed them.
And vice versa.
goodnight dear friends ...
off for supplies. brb.
Willendorf Venus = Toby Petzold
I think in the next administration, we should go all Jeffersonian, and make peace again with the French people.
Willendorf Venus = Toby Petzold
Troll Minder
OK, dood.
ohh, and depositing the tar babies in killfile keeps the floors clean.
Willendorf Venus = Toby Petzold
Troll Minder
Ah, subversively sowing dissent in the ranks, eh?
Nice try, troll.
The final straw may have come during a White House meeting on February 26, 1962. Concerned that General Lansdale's various covert action plans under Operation Mongoose were simply becoming more outrageous and going nowhere, Robert Kennedy told him to drop all anti-Castro efforts. Instead, Lansdale was ordered to concentrate for the next three months strictly on gathering intelligence about Cuba. It was a humiliating defeat for Lansdale, a man more accustomed to praise than to scorn.
As the Kennedy brothers appeared to suddenly "go soft" on Castro, Lemnitzer could see his opportunity to invade Cuba quickly slipping away. The attempts to provoke the Cuban public to revolt seemed dead and Castro, unfortunately, appeared to have no inclination to launch any attacks against Americans or their property Lemnitzer and the other Chiefs knew there was only one option left that would ensure their war. They would have to trick the American public and world opinion into hating Cuba so much that they would not only go along, but would insist that he and his generals launch their war against Castro. "World opinion, and the United Nations forum," said a secret JCS document, "should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere." Operation Northwoods called for a war in which many patriotic Americans and innocent Cubans would die senseless deaths, all to satisfy the egos of twisted generals back in Washington, safe in their taxpayer financed homes and limousines. One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the earth. On February 20,1962, Glenn was to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that . . . the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic.]"
This would be accomplished, Lemnitzer continued, "by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans." Thus, as NASA prepared to send the first American into space, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were preparing to use John Glenn's possible death as a pretext to launch a war. Glenn lifted into history without mishap, leaving Lemnitzer and the Chiefs to begin devising new plots which they suggested be carried out "within the time frame of the next few months." Among the actions recommended was "a series of well coordinated incidents to take place in and around" the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This included dressing "friendly" Cubans in Cuban military uniforms and then have them "start riots near the main gate of the base.
http://www.whatrea
The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
http://
www.whatreallyhappened.co...northwoods.html
My feeling is that the French, and the Italian, and the German people are kinda fascinated by Americans, but they fear what our leaders might do.
I don't burn dogs. The dog keeps burning me. He has gas. Bad. And insists on sleeping not two feet away from where I type.
"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." � George H W Bush, cited in the June 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter.
In 1961, the CIA attempted to invade Cuba using US-trained and equipped Cubans. Code-named "Operation Zapata," two of the boats used in the invasion were named "Houston" and "Barbara." Operation Zapata was a failure and became known as the "Bay of Pigs" invasion. Much of the US intelligence community held then-President John F Kennedy responsible, as he refused to commit US air power to the invasion.
Incredibly, George H W Bush claims to have forgotten where he was in Texas on the day of Kennedy's death. Oddly, he is known to keep in contact with Felix Rodriguez � the anti-Castro Cuban assassin who killed Che Guevara.
"Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy." � A recently found memo from FBI head J Edgar Hoover, The Nation, August 13, 1988.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/a...icles/
3579.html
That thing JFK did in Berlin was unreal. That let loose WWII feelings that were pent up for 15 years, and also set down a gaunlet to Moscow.
What a fucking speech.
http://www.cannabisculture.com
wtf?
History can be so convenient..
Duane V, possegotvelocity
Dude. You are a moron with links to junk history and conspiracy websites that make intelligent people puke.
Let's throw some Alex Jones in the mix
http://www.infowars.com/
I have some stuff from Prison Planet on the evils of the Fed. Gold Standard!
Dude. You are a moron with links to junk history and conspiracy websites that make intelligent people puke.
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Nah. Duane V is cool. But bumming tonight, apparently.
Umm, DuaneV, the issue about Northwoods, etc., is probably not closely related to external events happening much later.
This is something which doesn't figure into James Bamford's accounts, because he was solely interested in the documentary evidence, but, the generals in the Pentagon--Lemnitzer and others, and field commanders such as Edwin Walker, were greatly influenced by the John Birch Society, which was at the time led by Robert Welch.
Most people don't connect that name to anything but the John Birch Society, but Robert Welch was a family member of Welch & Co., which became more recognizable as The Mars Candy Co. When Batista was overthrown, US candy companies were instantly cut off from an extremely cheap source of sugar from Cuba, Mars included.
The fact that Obama was received so overwhelmingly in Berlin means to me that the rest of the planet is really interested in what the US does, or even potentially does.
The fact that Obama was received so overwhelmingly in Berlin means to me that the rest of the planet is really interested in what the US does, or even potentially does.
MP
Just like us, they hope we will do the right thing, this time. At long last.
Let's get Lyndon LaRouche in here!
Executive Intelligence Review!
http://www.larouchepub.com/
Go back to Lew Rockwell and antiwar.com.
Duane V, you are about to make me resume drinking, here.
Willendorf Venus
Just put it all together. There's nothing new under the sun. The Maine. The Lusitania. Pearl Harbor. The Gulf of Tonkin. "Operation Zapata", with two ships named "Barbara" and "Houston"..
Operation Northwoods, Kennedy's opposition and subsequent assassination, PNAC's determination that unless "a Pearl Harbor" type event takes place we, the American people won't be pliable.. After the 2000 election was deliverd to Bush, the events of 9/11 were inevitable...Because they wanted the Caspian Basin.
"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
This might be a misattribution. It didn't refer to the Kennedy assassination, but, rather, to the agreement Bush, Sr., made secretly with Gorbachev to walk away from Afghanistan, without any attempt to form a puppet government, a decision which precipitated the civil war there.
Just put it all together.
I did. Hence my comment.
I did. Hence my comment.
Keep in mind... hypothesizing about conspiracies may be exercise for the imagination, but, it doesn't improve the mind, and it's not always good for one's sanity.
The greatest damage done in the world is done out in the open. There's no grand star chamber deciding the world's fate, just greedy people acting in their own interests whenever the opportunities present themselves....
Duane, you are an asshole and an idiot.
If FDR had wanted us to get embroiled in a war with Japan, why did he wait for Pearl Harbor? And don't tell me we weren't prepared yet. We weren't prepared in 1941. The incident with the USS Panay in 1937 would have been more than pretext enough, it was even filmed, for chrissake!. Google it then go away and take your tin foil hat with you.
Gas is down to $3.55 down by the Interstate, now.
That's why I'm voting for McCain!
Umm, DuaneV, the issue about Northwoods, etc., is probably not closely related to external events happening much later.
"probably"?
People in the National Security establishment were willing to kill Americans to gin up war fervor. You don't know how "closely related" it is to events which took place (not that much) later...
It establishes a precedent. One that had actually been based on earlier events, which I cited above..
Yeah, I see what you are saying, montag. Wasn't saying that I believed any of that, but that thinking about it could drive me to drink.
... as "Guantanamera" comes up on shuffle play.
The greatest damage done in the world is done out in the open. There's no grand star chamber deciding the world's fate, just greedy people acting in their own interests whenever the opportunities present themselves....
montag
Greedy people make plans...I didn't write "Operation Northwoods", and I certainly didn't write that PNAC document...It's the people who did that you need to worry about, not me.
We prevailed in two simultaneous and each *enormous* military conflicts, right after a Great Depression, and right before curing polio and landing on the Moon.
We can accomplish any fucking thing we want to.
Nah. Duane V is cool. But bumming tonight, apparently.
Willendorf Venus
Thanks, Willendorf..
Don't blame the messenger, Mr. Four Box guy...
Dude. You are a moron with links to junk history and conspiracy websites that make intelligent people puke.
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I think what you're afraid of is he fact that may be smarter than you...
So call me a bad name!!
People in the National Security establishment were willing to kill Americans to gin up war fervor. You don't know how "closely related" it is to events which took place (not that much) later...
Lemnitzer and his cabal. Hardly the full security apparatus, but all the JCS at the time. There are hardliners and realists and even some others in the mix, even today, or we'd already have bombed Iran, yes? Not a proud moment for us but getting your info from assclown webites like WhatOnlyHappenedWhenYourTinFoilHatIsON isn't going to win you any friends that don't vote for Ron Paul.
James Bamford:
http://www.blythe.org/
nytransfer...ion_Northwoods_
I really suggest you take a deep breath and step away from the full blown conspiracy theories.
Start here:
http://www.publiceye.org/conspir...racism-
911.html
Post 9/11 conspiracism. Don't become a "useful idiot".
We can accomplish any fucking thing we want to.
MP
Yabbut it helps if an (R) comes up with the big plan to do whatever-it-is. Congressional (R)s need to get right on alternative fuels.
No, I am not holding my breath.
"probably"?
People in the National Security establishment were willing to kill Americans to gin up war fervor. You don't know how "closely related" it is to events which took place (not that much) later...
Actually, I do know this quite well, at least from what's publicly available--many years ago, in fact. I've read the conspiracy stuff extensively, including all of the "James Hepburn" "book," Farewell, America.
I just don't believe all of it. I've given you a plausible explanation for why Cuba so preoccupied the minds of some very right-wing military at the time of the so-called Northwoods proposals--that they were being exhorted to violent action by the John Birch Society for Welch's own economic interests, etc. The important thing to remember is that Kennedy killed the program, but let Operation Mongoose continue under different leadership--the Kennedys were nothing if not staunch cold warriors.
It's the holy grail of conspiracy theorists today to find a Grand Unified Theory of World Conspiracy, and I don't buy it. There are greedy people everywhere and sometimes they act in concert, and sometimes in opposition. That's a pretty good analogy for the actions of oil companies, for example, in the last 150 years.
But, there's a dearth of hard evidence of such. Sure, there have always been cartels and wealthy people with great power who get together on occasion to conspire toward greater wealth and power. But, much of what passes for evidence today of a core group of people who decide all worldly affairs is merely hypothesis.
There are hardliners and realists and even some others in the mix, even today, or we'd already have bombed Iran, yes? Not a proud moment for us but getting your info from assclown webites like WhatOnlyHappenedWhenYourTinFoilHatIsON isn't going to win you any friends
True..And, we owe a debt of gratitude to those within the national security establishment who take their oath seriously. But I'm not interested in making friends. I'm interested in truth, and justice.
And just FYI, WhatNeverExactlyHappened is a website started by Michael Rivero, a refugee from Free Republic. He's no friend of yours, unless you are an anti-semite and rightwing extremist. Even the freepers ran him off he is so far out to lunch.
No, I am not holding my breath.
Willendorf Venus
Judging from history, we really have to want it, first.
But once the US wants something, good lord, get out of the way.
much of what passes for evidence today of a core group of people who decide all worldly affairs is merely hypothesis.
montag
I'm not looking for a unified field theory of evil - ness. Life isn't like a james bond flick. But it also isn't quite as random as some would like to believe...For example, I don't think the same people are responsible for Northwoods, and 9/11..But these sorts of plans are filed away, and some sick fucks decide it might actually work...Also, the Kennedys obviously evolved..Operation Mongoose wasn't stopped, but what about the existence of that national securiy memorandum bringing advisors home by 1965? Kennedy signed off on Diem's assassination but that doesn't mean he wanted full - scale war..
Wow. That booby has a sharp-ass pointy beak, don't he?
A very good bit of independent research on the wingnuts behind these websites you are reading.
http://wanews.org/news/
whatreall...llyhappened.htm
Stick to real historians, academics and scholars, like the kind that write peer reviewed books. Jonah wrote a book but he has yet to find anyone to read and review it that doesn't have a more extensive comic book collection than he does.
He's no friend of yours, unless you are an anti-semite and rightwing extremist. Even the freepers ran him off he is so far out to lunch.
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Yes, I've checked out the website. I joke around about the tendency of some to label others anti - semites, but this website definitely is...
Don't tar every one of the links with the same brush, though...Not every one of those websites is run by guys with tinfoil hats....
The United States is the nation who spent an enormous amount of her wealth to come up with a nuclear weapon, and is to this day, the only nation to detonate a nuclear weapon in anger.
But once the US wants something, good lord, get out of the way.
MP
Thing worrying me is it looks like things may be irretrievably fucked up before a critical mass wants it badly enough to demand it.
I'm not looking for a unified field theory of evil - ness
Here is is!
http://www.ponerology.com/
Cue Twighlight Zone Theme...
The internet is like the National Enquirer. Don't believe anything your read until you have verified it. Lots of good info out there but the majority of it is pure garbage.
"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
This might be a misattribution. It didn't refer to the Kennedy assassination, but, rather, to the agreement Bush, Sr., made secretly with Gorbachev to walk away from Afghanistan, without any attempt to form a puppet government, a decision which precipitated the civil war there.
montag
In a general sense, it says alot about the history of the Bush Family Business..
There were a couple of polls a few years ago with some astounding numbers - 76% believe the US government is withholding evidence (CNN), 36% believe the government is in some way responsible. I don't believe the wilder theories, but it really says something about the trust the people have in their government to get numbers like that.
A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.
Lots of good info out there but the majority of it is pure garbage.
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I like to think I can usually tell the shit from the shinola..
This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.
C*n*y McC***
Isn't it something like 50% in NYC?
T4TN: And I've seen him in concert more than anyone else - from a college gym in Kentucky about 25 or 30 years ago to about five years ago.
I'll go toe-to-toe with you on that. I first saw Randy perform in 1973, and last saw him perform two days ago, with at least one concert a year in between-- often more. For my 50th birthday present, my husband sent me to Europe, so I could follow Randy around on tour. (I am a lucky, lucky woman.)
He has a new album coming out, August 5th, his first non-film work in nine years. He performed all of it with a band this week at the new Largo in L.A. It's wonderfully brilliant, of course.
much of what passes for evidence today of a core group of people who decide all worldly affairs is merely hypothesis.
montag |
Of course. Loosely affiliated cores of elite folks, whose goals aren't always in sync, and who often find themselves in conflict to one extent or another...Still, there are institutions which have been created and are maintained to protect their interests. Like Bretton Woods in the wake of WWII. And that's not a conspiracy or a theory. The people who run the world bank, IMF and WTO are not always looking out for my interests.
But these sorts of plans are filed away, and some sick fucks decide it might actually work...Also, the Kennedys obviously evolved..Operation Mongoose wasn't stopped, but what about the existence of that national securiy memorandum bringing advisors home by 1965? Kennedy signed off on Diem's assassination but that doesn't mean he wanted full - scale war..
The so-called NAAMs were the creation of Fletcher Prouty. Can you find any reference to a "NAAM" in the NARA or National Security Archives files, of those numbers or otherwise?
What Prouty says is an NAAM wasn't even referred as such in official records. Rather, it was referred to as an NSDD (National Security Decision Directive).
Prouty was a flake and a fabricator. His theory about oil being generated deep in the earth rather than as a result of decay of organic matter has now been picked up by right-wing wackos as evidence of a left-wing conspiracy to deny the West of oil for nefarious Communistic purposes.
Look, I was trained in both the arts and the sciences. I know what scientific method is, and I apply that training to research documentation. It's why I remain skeptical of many claims of such overarching plans.
BTW, Kennedy never signed off on Diem's assassination, as you put it. Kennedy was a Catholic, as was Diem--Kennedy conceived of that as a kind of bond. Kennedy, without committing anything to print, acceded to Diem's ouster, because the political situation in South Vietnam was becoming untenable. Diem was out of control. Kennedy sent Henry Cabot Lodge there to keep the lid on and not expose the US position. Lodge knew, even as he arrived, that Diem would be assassinated in the course of removing him from power and did not tell Kennedy, and made sure that no one else told him, either.
Lodge had performed similar services for Eisenhower in 1954 in the events leading up to Guatemala coup. He was a thoroughly scurrilous character, despite his public reputation.
Lots of good info out there but the majority of it is pure garbage.
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James Bamford, I trust...
Thing worrying me is it looks like things may be irretrievably fucked up before a critical mass wants it badly enough to demand it.
Willendorf Venus
We're sure splintered today, eh what? Been downhill since '68 in my view.
I wonder if the pilots, tailing up and away, knew that they'd just delivered death to one hundred and fifty thousand humans, and maybe two hundred thousand more later? Many, many being very young children.
James Bamford, I trust...
Bamford has pretty good creds, and his books are, if a bit dry in places, informative.
Even so, the conspiracy theorists accuse him of being in the pocket of the powers that be because he has some access.
But, even he would not try to pull together all the events you describe above as evidence of "something."
No one is arguing with you against the existence of a plan generically referred to as the "Northwoods Operation." It's documented. But, you wish to imply that, because of the existence of that plan--even though it was immediately killed when it was proposed--so many other things are possible and have come to pass because the existence of the plan proves the full degree to which the powerful have control over society.
I have to ask, because I think it's germane. How old are you? Did you live through those events? Do you have particular and personal knowledge of those times?
Just one in a long list of atrocities.
Even so, the conspiracy theorists accuse him of being in the pocket of the powers that be because he has some access.
But, even he would not try to pull together all the events you describe above as evidence of "something."
I'm fourty. My earliest memories of politics are of Vietnam, and Watergate. Which probably explains what some would consider my cynicism. I just see a trend in the attempts of our government to create pretexts for war.
Our country was founded and sustained through chattel slavery and genocide of the indigenous population of this continent. Manifest Destiny, and the inherently racist "White Man's Burden" formed the philosophical underpinnings for domestic and foreign policies adopted for the sole purpose of expanding the wealth and influence of the powers that be. How much has this changed?
I notice that the standards for proving a conspiracy are much greater than the standards for establishing that a war is needed.
Our history books laud Bretton Woods and the Marshall Plan as purely beneficent attempts to construct and maintain order in the post - WWII world. But haven't these institutions simply protected and maintained the existence of a global elite, while enslaving the vast majority of the worlds' people through debt and austerity programs? When economic imperialism isn't sufficient in furthering the economic goals of elites, we revert to militarism.
I'm fourty. My earliest memories of politics are of Vietnam, and Watergate. Which probably explains what some would consider my cynicism. I just see a trend in the attempts of our government to create pretexts for war.
You, then, would have been born four years after the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, and would have been about five years old when Watergate was revealed, six years old when Nixon left office and seven when the Vietnam war ended. For practical purposes, you have no adult nor adolescent memories of that time.
Okay, my admission. As of an hour ago or so, I'm sixty-one. I was born on the day that Harry Truman signed the National Security Act, which created the Department of Defense, the Air Force and the CIA. For a good portion of my life, it's been my abiding interest to know about the transformations in the country that legislation created, because I shared a birthday with it. That's why, whenever anyone here says, "how do we protect our Republic?," I reply that we stopped being a republic in 1947, because, at that time, we became a national security state. About 80% of the people alive in this country today--including you and me--have known nothing else.
So, it's not that I'm a natural-born naysayer. It's just that I trust what I can put my hands on and can verify from personal experience and/or other reliable sources of information.
But, if you want to know why this country has a penchant for war, you'll have to look much further back than 1973. The answers are not in the conspiracy theories of today, but, rather, in the history of England, the sermons of Cotton Mather, the Federalist Papers, the Monroe Doctrine and the like. It's an older problem than one might think.
jhn edwards.
cheats on his wife and is gay.
I notice that the standards for proving a conspiracy are much greater than the standards for establishing that a war is needed.
Doug
Always. It reminds me of the guy in the hearings yesterday, who repeatedly referred to the "delusional atmosphere" in the room, saying, as they always do, "if all these people were participating in this grand conspiracy to create a pretext for war, wouldn't someone have come forward by now?"
As if Paul O'Neill, Scott Ritter, Richard Clarke, Joseph Wilson, Sibel Edmonds, et,al. had never come forward...They construct a straw man, call it a "conspiracy theorist", give it a tinfoil hat, and knock it down.
would have been about five years old when Watergate was revealed, six years old when Nixon left office and seven when the Vietnam war ended.
I was born the same month that MLK was assassinated. I actually watched watergate on tv, and remember when Nixon resigned. I've been a student of politics since then, which distinguishes me from many people in my generation who only became interested in such matters at the earliest, in their adolescence..I'm well aware of the existence of the National Security state, born as it was as a corollary to Bretton - Woods, during the earliest days of the cold war. I like to think I can tell propaganda and psy ops from reliable information. And, I know you don't always get reliable information from official sources.
As of an hour ago or so, I'm sixty-one. - montag
Iz birfday? Hippoes, birdies, two ewes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...h?
v=OldToIF5ZGs
Randy Newman - A few words in Defense of our Country...
I notice that the standards for proving a conspiracy are much greater than the standards for establishing that a war is needed.
I would disagree. First of all, conspiracies occur all the time, especially among criminal enterprises. They are exposed and prosecuted through the production of actual evidence--documents, conversations between the conspiracists, and, often, the actual commission of the intended crime.
Now, let's take a popular conspiracy today--that the World Trade Center buildings--the two towers and WTC7--were felled by pre-positioned charges. Stephen Jones presents a hypothesis that thermite-based charges were used for that purpose. He recreates in the lab what might have been employed.
In scientific method, he has posited an hypothesis, and has asked for further investigation. In scientific method, the next step is to create an experiment to prove the hypothesis. If the data derived from that experiment agrees with the hypothesis, the results and the methods are published, and others are encouraged to duplicate his results. If other scientists duplicate his results, and can think of no other physical phenomena to explain the results, his hypothesis is recognized as accepted theory, subject, always, to revision if new evidence is offered.
The analog of that in a criminal sense is a different sort of evidence. Once the hypothesis is established, the production of evidence resembles that of what any good newspaper reporter would try to find--who, what, where, when, how and why.
To date, Jones' hypothesis, in a criminal sense, remains only a hypothesis. Not one single conspiracy buff has been able to determine any of those facts--who, what, where, when, how and why--with any specificity or documentation whatsoever. They have mistaken the hypothesis for verified theory, which it is not. They have assembled previously known facts and alluded to them as evidence, but, they are not evidence--they are merely part of the hypothesis.
I have my questions about that, too. But, I know what constitutes evidence, and such has not yet surfaced.
People tend to label whatever it is they either don't want others to believe, or can't accept (or even consider)themselves "conspiracy theories"...As if, it's only a fact if they want to believe it.
jhn edwards.
cheats on his wife and is gay.
pud
And, pudzu is cretinous blight on the landscape.
As of an hour ago or so, I'm sixty-one. - montag
Happy Birthday!
And, pudzu is cretinous blight on the landscape.
montag | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 5:23 am
And most likely projecting...
except it can only cheat on its blow up doll with its left hand.
Iz birfday? Hippoes, birdies, two ewes?
Yeah... and wishing it were a numerically lower one.
Thanks.
How this country enters wars is always based on the flimiest evidence.
WMDs for Iraq II,
babies on bayonets for Iraq I,
Gulf of Tonkin incident for Vietnam,
and a raft of small (not small for the civilians killed in them) wars here and there.
Let's not even start on the Indian wars. War crimes by almost any standards.
Happy Birthday!
Thanks. Even in my own case, I acknowledge and accept survival milestones.
Sometimes, I wish I didn't.
Men and wine. Better with age, montag.
Happy Birthday.
Happy Birthday, montag.
and Doug, Remember The Maine! The rallying cry of American Imperialists for centuries.
Just in case you forgot why chimpy is named called an ape.
http://
static.crooksandliars.com...b.thumbnail.jpg
How this country enters wars is always based on the flimiest evidence.
This is true--often, but not always. What is of greater concern to me is how to prevent the sleight-of-hand employed to bring public opinion in line with intended aims.
Not nearly so sure about that, considering that newspapers (and, more recently, television) have a natural economic interest in promoting war....
I just upgraded to Firefox 3. When you click on links in haloscan now they open in a new tab in the main browser window, rather than in the haloscan window like they used to. NO LIKEE! May be reason enough to go back to the old version.
Remember The Maine! The rallying cry of American Imperialists for centuries.
Only one century.
Did you hear what was found when someone dived down to the wreck of the Maine?
That the direction of the edges of the hole in the Maine indicated that the explosion seemed to have been from the inside of the ship.
Just in case you forgot why chimpy is named called an ape.
http:// static.crooksandliars.com...b.thumbnail.jpg
Doug
Nothing says "where's my mace" like the look on Angela's face in that pic.
I just upgraded to Firefox 3. When you click on links in haloscan now they open in a new tab in the main browser window, rather than in the haloscan window like they used to. NO LIKEE! May be reason enough to go back to the old version.
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 5:33 am
You can control in the preferences whether it's a new window or tab. I love having it open in a new tab. Hate Hate HATE the little haloscan window with no URL bar.
I just upgraded to Firefox 3. When you click on links in haloscan now they open in a new tab in the main browser window, rather than in the haloscan window like they used to. NO LIKEE! May be reason enough to go back to the old version.
Somewhere, that must have to do with settings. I'm running FF3, and I get a whole new window all by itself, rather than a tab, which is fine with me (I'm used to managing lots and lots of browser windows).
Only one century.
Did you hear what was found when someone dived down to the wreck of the Maine?
That the direction of the edges of the hole in the Maine indicated that the explosion seemed to have been from the inside of the ship.
Doug | 07.26.08 - 5:35 am
Over one, so a decade in to the plural.
And are you surprised that someone might exploit an accident and transform it in to a terra-ist attack?
It used to open in a new tab in the haloscan window, Tom. Now it opens in a new tab in the main browser window. So I have to switch windows to see the new tab. Any idea how to change that?
Tom: there's an oval in the upper right corner of the haloscan window. If you click that the address bar opens up in the haloscan window.
You can go in to preferences and check the tabs section. New window or new tabs. Also one for switching focus automatically when opening a new tab/window to the new tab/window.
You can go in to preferences and check the tabs section. New window or new tabs. Also one for switching focus automatically when opening a new tab/window to the new tab/window.
Tom
Did that already. No change. Are you getting the new tabs in the haloscan window?
Tom: there's an oval in the upper right corner of the haloscan window. If you click that the address bar opens up in the haloscan window.
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 5:40 am
Thx. Still prefer the one window, many tabs to many windows overlapping.
Means only have to shuffle windows to get to another app, not to get to another browsing task.
It used to open in a new tab in the haloscan window, Tom. Now it opens in a new tab in the main browser window. So I have to switch windows to see the new tab. Any idea how to change that?
It may not do a new tab in the abbreviated Haloscan window. But, at the very least, you can open the link in a whole new window by changing the preferences. Tools-->Options-->Tabs, and see what's buttoned for "open in...."
montag: Played with all the things that made sense in the preferences. No change. I thought it was an add-on, but disabling that only fixed other problems, not this one.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...8/07/
bushs.html
Bushs popularity diving anew
Did that already. No change. Are you getting the new tabs in the haloscan window?
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 5:42 am
If I open haloscan comments in a new window and then click on links in the comments, I get a new tab inside the comments window.
But I much prefer having one window to rule them all.
And I love the addition of tabbed sessions in terminal.app in Leopard as well. good stuff.
If I set the tabs thing in pref's then I get new windows in the main browser when I click on links too. I don't want to do that, though.
Anyway regarding conspiracies and their "proof". There should be something like a conspiracy audit for goverment.
What happened at the WTC where essential evidence was destroyed, (the wreakage from the fallen buildings) should have been enough reason, to impeach.
Played with all the things that made sense in the preferences. No change. I thought it was an add-on, but disabling that only fixed other problems, not this one.
If you've got some sort of oval in the upper right-hand corner of the Haloscan small window, that doesn't seem to be what would appear in a M$oft OS, so, I guess you're running Mac OSX or Linux. Can't much help with that. Maybe when I get the Linux box netted up again and try out FF3 on it.
If I set the tabs thing in pref's then I get new windows in the main browser when I click on links too. I don't want to do that, though.
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 5:46 am
It could be something has changed in the coding at haloscan for where they want new windows to open. Might be they changed the focus back to _main...
If I open haloscan comments in a new window and then click on links in the comments, I get a new tab inside the comments window. - Tom
That's what I want to have happen. Wonder what I've got running/set that prevents that. Did it do that as default when you first booted it?
Mac OS, montag. May be part of my tabbing issue, too.
By the way, Tom. Is that a mandala in your gravatar?
I'm running FF3 right now on a Debian Linux installation that's been upgraded and patched many times. I've got too many media codecs to mess with a fresh installation.
I don't have problems with strange behavior, with FF3 though I might have customized FireFox's (for all versions on this system, I've got three, FF2, FF3-beta(minefield) and FF3-Gold) behavior a long time ago. The config files I think it's running with, are one of the dot files or .directory on this logon.
That's what I want to have happen. Wonder what I've got running/set that prevents that. Did it do that as default when you first booted it?
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 5:49 am
Not doing it anymore, so something's changed.
The haloscan links are coded to open in target="_blank" so not sure if something has changed on the firefox or haloscan side.
By the way, Tom. Is that a mandala in your gravatar?
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 5:51 am
Nope, it's a 2 dollar coin.
Nope, it's a 2 dollar coin.
Tom
D'oh!
Not doing it anymore, so something's changed.
Hmm. I just right-clicked on a link and it brought up a pop-up menu with a selection for "open in a new tab," and I got a new tab in the Haloscan mini-window.
Does Mac have an analog to a M$oft right-click menu selection?
Well, not to run this topic into the ground...but...I just did the upgrade. The tabs not opening in the comments window changed when I went from FF2 to FF3.
Does Mac have an analog to a M$oft right-click menu selection?
montag
Yes. And that does the trick. But it used to not need that instruction. I'll have to keep poking around I guess.
Yes. And that does the trick. But it used to not need that instruction. I'll have to keep poking around I guess.
Sounds as if there's a default setting awry that was reset with the new installation. Might need to consult the Mozilla knowledge base. At least, for now, you know you can do it.
Some interesting battery tech.
http://www.rsc.org/delivery/_Art...b807929c&
Iss=28
It might be possible to use other metals for a replacable anode, such as aluminum, or lithium. (the later would not be a good idea, lithium is too active for a consumer to mess with.)
Well, it looks as if all this stuff sent WV back to sleep. Good thing for her, given the insomnia of which she's complained lately. ~!~
Yes. And that does the trick. But it used to not need that instruction. I'll have to keep poking around I guess.
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 6:00 am
Still thinking it's something that changed with haloscan code that might have a difference between FF2 and FF3.
Poking around in the code haloscan puts out for the mainpage comments link, I'm seeing a return false in the on_click code, which makes me raise my eyebrows.
In fact if I right click and open the comments in a new window rather than by a direct left click, then the haloscan new links open in a new tab in the comments window.
Yeah, WV had vacated by the time I got back from the store, montag.
That battery paper's going to take some perusing and digesting, Doug. Seems pretty amazing at first blush. Does McCain owe them $300K?
It might be possible to use other metals for a replacable anode, such as aluminum, or lithium. (the later would not be a good idea, lithium is too active for a consumer to mess with.)
But, vanadium boride is interesting.
Vanadium is a strategic metal. Do we invade Brazil next?
Poking around in the code haloscan puts out for the mainpage comments link, I'm seeing a return false in the on_click code, which makes me raise my eyebrows.
Tom
You may be on to something. Everything works like before in the main browser window.
Well, it looks as if all this stuff sent WV back to sleep. Good thing for her, given the insomnia of which she's complained lately. ~!~
montag
I slept and am awake again.
& Happy Birthday, montag!
I slept and am awake again.
Looks as if we'll have to do our best to bore you to tears once again.
So - batteries, Firefox, or the causes of war. Which got you up again, WV?
& Happy Birthday, montag!
Thank you. Now, how may I bore you (toward a good end)?
So - batteries, Firefox, or the causes of war. Which got you up again, WV?
baba durag
I think it was the 3-hour reset cycle. Seems to be my limit lately, though I did get 6 whole hours in one night this week.
Does Brazil have WMDs? We must prevent a vanadium gap.
Morning peeps.
So, in discussing Edwards' maybe affair Ann Coulter referred to him as a fag again.
Does Brazil have WMDs? We must prevent a vanadium gap.
baba durag
Don't even go there. Brazil has some of the most excellentest music on the planet. After USA and Cuba, I'd say.
Does Brazil have WMDs? We must prevent a vanadium gap.
They nearly did. They abandoned their nuclear weapons program around the same time as South Africa.
But, the state of Bahia, Brazil, has the largest deposits of vanadium in the world. And Canadian companies seem to be the first ones in there. So, maybe, we have two countries to attack.... *sigh*
So, in discussing Edwards' maybe affair Ann Coulter referred to him as a fag again.
qlª
What else has she got? You are brave if you are reading that harpy, QL.
Thank you. Now, how may I bore you (toward a good end)?
montag | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 6:23 am | #
I must have missed the point where you stopped boring me.
Or maybe you have been prescribed some Coulter for your low blood pressure?
Morning, ql.
So, in discussing Edwards' maybe affair Ann Coulter referred to him as a fag again.
qlª
Hatin' is hard work. Sometimes she forgets which script she's replaying.
Does Brazil have WMDs? We must prevent a vanadium gap.
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 6:23 am
biofuels bitches!
I must have missed the point where you stopped boring me.
Le Jackel
Oh shuup.
I loves me some Brazil. And Corcovado is one of my all time fave somgs.
Oh I don't read her. Good heavens. I have a nice life. Why would I want to do that.
Hatin' is hard work. Sometimes she forgets which script she's replaying.
baba durag | 07.26.08 - 6:28 am
Pud played both fabricated rumour cards earlier, so I'm guessing it's one of those blast fax talking points to sideline Edwards from being a cabinet guy.
AG Edwards (not the company) must scare the bejeebus out of the Busheviks.
So, in discussing Edwards' maybe affair Ann Coulter referred to him as a fag again.
Yeah, but what does she know? She's a right-winger, after all, and one who's already tried to pass off a sexual non sequitur as logical. Stupid is as stupid writes....
Oh I don't read her. Good heavens. I have a nice life. Why would I want to do that.
qlª
Whew. I was worried about you for a minute there.
Enquirer had the story of Edwards' supposed affair. Funny, they had been following him for months. No photographer when he was leaving the hotel though. Don't know if I believe it or not. I do know I don't give a fuck. He's not the candidate.
Oh I don't read her. Good heavens. I have a nice life. Why would I want to do that.
qlª - Degenerate | Homepage | 07.26.08 - 6:30 am
I gave up on Dunkin' Donuts when the caved to the Malkintents on Rachel Ray's scarf.
Too many other providers of cheap coffee and donuts to bother with putting money towards weak kneed wingnut appeasers.
AG Edwards (not the company) must scare the bejeebus out of the Busheviks.
Tom
They do make a special effort where he's concerned. Some serious fear there.
and off for dinner...
I must have missed the point where you stopped boring me.
Le Jackel
I will do my absolute best to retrace my steps, then, and pick up where I left off, given that I see boring you as a public service....
And Corcovado is one of my all time fave songs.
baba durag
Nice. Just looked that one up on fb iLike. One of those songs where you can feel your heartbeat sloooowing as it plays.
Thanks for your help, Tom.
I don't understand why KKKarl threatening an IT guy and his family in OH for rigging voting machines isn't getting more play on the internets. Avedon linked to Brad Blog on it yesterday.
When Jiao and Astrid Gilberto were working with Stan Getz...what a combo.
I don't understand why KKKarl threatening an IT guy and his family in OH for rigging voting machines isn't getting more play on the internets. Avedon linked to Brad Blog on it yesterday.
Dunno. Maybe because the schlep hasn't figured out all the trouble he's in yet, and hasn't complained. He's a Repug, after all... or he's being paid well to keep quiet and take the fall.
When Jiao and Astrid Gilberto were working with Stan Getz...what a combo.
baba durag
Listening to it one more time. Then I will switch back to the Black Keys & make coffee & get on with the day.
Speaking of Bahia, Brazil, it was home territory to one of my very favorite novelists, Jorge Amado. Truly great writer.
Always wanted to visit there.
I just realized yesterday that both the Black Keys & the White Stripes are guitar-drums only bands. I'm not aware of any others.
morning, all.
Back from Hannibal, lovely trip and glad to have a computer I can use again.
Never read Amado. I'll have to look him up.
I only know Brazil from reputation and Brazilians I've met. I like all I hear, though.
AG Edwards (not the company) must scare the bejeebus out of the Busheviks.
I don't think they're scared of anything. The notion of "accountability" as we in the reality-based universe see it doesn't exist for them. There's notconcern and no threat posed -- it's all just more political grist to be gamed and spun.
guitar-drums only bands
With bass too, or no?
With bass too, or no?
baba durag
Nope. Guitar, drums only. Both bands make it work, somehow. Both are kind of retro/roots, which allows it to work, I guess.
It is surprisingly difficult to drum-up a decent bottle of champagne at this hour.
A decent bottle of champagne would make its presence felt in your refrigerator without troubling you to scour for it.
And happy natal celebration, montag.
fookin anchor tag
It takes a formidable guitarist to make that work, doesn't it WV.
White Stripes on Jools Holland
Put up live stuff to show that it actually do work, somehow.
It takes a formidable guitarist to make that work, doesn't it WV.
baba durag
Yep.
Brazillian, classical & flamenco
This guy is one of us The music is really beautiful. Absolutely blew both of us away.
Morning, folks.
Good morning, Moe.
Never read Amado. I'll have to look him up.
Early, and fairly short: Pen, Sword, Camisole (written later, but started in the `30s), and Cacao
Later, better known: Gabriela, Clove and Cinnamon, Dona Flor and Her Two Husbands and Tieta, the Goat Girl.
Near the end of his life: War of the Saints.
Funny and tender bits about a small, intensely intertwined community with many nosy neighbors.
This guy is one of us The music is really beautiful. Absolutely blew both of us away.
qlª
Whaddayaknow. Corcavado!
And happy natal celebration, montag.
Thanks.
In my authors file now, montag. Thanks.
In my authors file now, montag. Thanks.
You're welcome. I'm sure you'll enjoy. Try to find the Avon Books paperbacks, since they seem to have the best translations from Portuguese to English.
Jobim was quite the composer. Pardon me, but Randy Newman's stuff doesn't even deserve to be on the same shelf.
It is surprisingly difficult to drum-up a decent bottle of champagne at this hour.
Le Jackel
Not in New Orleans, pre-Katrina...
Not in New Orleans, pre-Katrina...
David Derbes
There you could get anything, any hour. Would like to go back there someday, but my heart could break.
Moe!
Do you know we have "Moeisms" chez ql.
Combining errands to save on gas is doing a "Moe"
Going to mope by the car cause one or the other isn't ready on time
(and I bet y'all thought they were gonna be dirty)
Moe, am going to get out to the garden when it gets light and see what, if anything, is still there. Baked of course.
You know, those motherfuckers are damn good at field engineering. Good job you guys.
Not anything but good clean dirt for Moe!
"Moeisms"
Jeesh, I'm so sorry.
[hangs head]
Or honoured, or something.
Truth be told, I'm pretty pessimistic on the eco front. I'll keep on doing what I do, but I'm not seeing, well, ya know.
Let me grab another cup of Joe...
Jeesh, I'm so sorry.
[hangs head]
Or honoured, or something.
Truth be told, I'm pretty pessimistic on the eco front. I'll keep on doing what I do, but I'm not seeing, well, ya know.
Every little bit helps. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Moe -- you've definitely had an influence on me.
'morning, all. Grouchy because the fucking neighbors were screaming on the beach at 2:45 a.m. I hadda go down there. It was ugly.
Le Jackel | 07.26.08 - 7:14 am
quoi?
Diane posting on the reappearance of the actual hideous war at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
Truth be told, I'm pretty pessimistic on the eco front. I'll keep on doing what I do, but I'm not seeing, well, ya know.
Oh, I hear ya. When I have to beg to be allowed to recycle other's garbage, you know people just aren't taking it seriously.
All this talk about drilling our way out of the gas crisis is such b.s. it drives me nuts. No one seems to want to admit that the planet just can't survive if we don't make serious changes.
Good morning, all. Thank dog for coffee.
montag, indeed. Moe, you do us all good, sorry if we don't (snif) do the same for you. We really do take heart that you are trying - and while we may not seem so serious, we are too.
V, hope your neighbors are okay again.
'morning, Gromit. I saw you're headed for Quebec; whereabouts?
All this talk about drilling our way out of the gas crisis is such b.s. it drives me nuts. No one seems to want to admit that the planet just can't survive if we don't make serious changes.
qlª
Didn't they say the other day that if we drill for everything that they think is in the arctic it would supply us for...wait for it...3 years.
I posted upthread that gas is $3.55/gallon down by the Interstate. wtf? McCain Miracle!!1!
One of the very frustrating things about environmental work is that we're at the stage where we're just trying to convince people, by word and deed, to slow down the damage.
That's a long, long, way from actually seeing tangible improvements. Which will only begin to come after much further deterioration.
There's a cheeful thought to start the day.
Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Here's the deal, tho. There's not a spectrum of eco "good" that's just a matter of degree-- not a "perfect" and not a "not-so-perfect," "good."
No, on the GHG front there's a specific level-- arguable, but maybe 450 ppm of CO2 equivalent that we need to stay under. There's no "hey, pretty good but not perfect." We either do it or not. And if we don't, all hell breaks loose.
V, hope your neighbors are okay again.
Ruth
Me: do you understand that it's almost 3 in the morning and you've woken me from a sound sleep?
Jackass: How did we wake you up?
Me: You're SCREAMING. I don't give a fuck what you're doing down here, just keep it DOWN.
[grumble, mutter, stomp back to house, wash sand off feet, mutter, grumble, toss, turn]
I've been seeing news reports about 450 million barrels possibly in the Arctic. (As opposed to just ANWAR). That's, er, a lot of oil.
From Politico
Obama's vice presidential search team has floated the name of a member of President Bush's first-term Cabinet, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, as Obama's running mate.
The search committee, now led by Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder, raised Veneman's name — among others — in discussions with members of Congress, two Democrats familiar with the conversations said.
The mention of Veneman's name surprised Democratic lawmakers. The low-profile Republican was close to food and agriculture industries but clashed with farm-state Democrats and environmentalists during her tenure, which lasted from 2001 to 2004.
Actually, on Maria Barfarama just now, the resident thinker (was making coffee, missed seeing who it was), saying high prices were forcing to make our auto industry produce what was Already There Technologically, an alternate to gas, and on the admin's having totally ignored what could have saved us from sending out revenues overseas to unfriendlies.
'morning, Gromit. I saw you're headed for Quebec; whereabouts?
V for Virginia
A week from Monday, we're gonna drive up to the north shore of the St Lawrence, beyond Quebec city. Hiking and exploring and whale watching and picture taking and reading and sleeping and eating.
Don't know if its true, but the lower reaches of the Saguenay River are billed as the sounthermost fjord in the northern hemisphere.
Should be fun.
Belated happy birthday, montag!
I'm sorry, that should be *b*illion:
WASHINGTON, CALGARY -- The equivalent of 412 billion barrels of crude lies tantalizingly beneath the pack ice and frigid waters of the Arctic, making it the largest source of untapped oil on the planet, according to a new report by the U.S. Geological Service.
That's more than twice what's believed to be in Canada's oil sands, and roughly a third of proven reserves on the planet.
Don't know if its true, but the lower reaches of the Saguenay River are billed as the sounthermost fjord in the northern hemisphere.
Should be fun.
Gromit, dirty hippie scientist
A photo I took from the ferry crossing the Saguenay to Taddousac is the wallpaper on my laptop. It's gorgeous up there.
There's a park just outside town where there are 100 foot dunes that are still rising from when they were covered in ice. At the top is a very nice little interpretive center. Cool walks down to the beach and around the point.
Hiya, Gromit.
Hope all have a good day. I gotta get some stuff done.
Later, folks...
After just announcing yesterday's Gallup Daily Tracking Poll (Obama 47% - McCain 41%), Alex Witless proclaimed the candidates "only a couple of points apart."
The US used about 22 million barrels of oil per day in 2005.
Jobim was quite the composer. Pardon me, but Randy Newman's stuff doesn't even deserve to be on the same shelf.
Our filkertom puts Randy Newman to shame.
Morning, rational people. And Ruth, once again, welcome home. I missed you.
FWIW, Randy Newman is a helluva lyricist. Louisiana, 1923 haunts me.
Louisiana, 1923
My sister gave me a CD with that and about 15 other songs about flooding and rivers and Louisiana. It's one of my favourite.
Hi! Diane, am very very glad to be back, and have an operable computer. Sorry I ran out on you all. Should have an extra laptop so I can take it with me and keep in touch.
But my trip was extremely satisfactory, the Grande is in a sweet spot that is very much what I've been wishing for for her.
Well, I adore our filkertom, but I sure do love Sail Away.
Obama, standing in front of 10 Downing St., wryly commented on Huggy complaining about him taking the trip McCain insisted he take.
412 billion barrels of crude lies tantalizingly beneath the pack ice and frigid waters of the Arctic,
"Five million dollars in cash lies tantalizingly within the vault of the bank downtown"
May be true, but doesn't mean we should blow up the whole downtown so that we can spend the cash on a drunken spree this weekend.
We either do it or not. And if we don't, all hell breaks loose.
Agreed. Now, at this moment, think fully about the perfect being the enemy of the good.
What does that do to expectations? We have been living in a particular way for ten decades, believing that it will go on in exactly the same way as it has in the past. I was watching a French doc last night about the history of oil. In it, Matthew Simmons (who's been trying to alert people to the fact that we're probably past peak) said that a 2004 poll in Texas showed that 65% of teenagers in that state did not know where gasoline came from... Texas!
That's the sort of educational deficit one has to overcome before one can ever get on to the larger problem of convincing those same people that, with some creativity, and some investment in the right places, their lives won't be drastically diminished by the transition away from an oil economy.
If people think their lives will be diminished in any substantive way by change, they will put their heads in the sand....
Showing them that change is possible without significant discomfort is a major step in the right direction. That's the good. Letting them believe they won't have to change at all is the perfect.
Well, I adore our filkertom, but I sure do love Sail Away.
V for Virginia
I like that, too. My mom had a copy & I was playing it my own self by the time I was 10.
I sure do love Sail Away.
I like "Born Again". The first side anyway...
"Mr. Sheep" is pretty causic - when Newman goes "Baaaaaaa!" it's a strange, terrible sound - but "Pretty Boy" is like a viscious threat.
And then there's "Story of a Rock and Roll Band"...
I love that ELO!
Randy Newman is actually a great songwriter. I just like his tunes a lot better when someone else sings them.
Good points, montag.
And happy birthday! Hope it's a pleasant one.
Randy Newman is actually a great songwriter. I just like his tunes a lot better when someone else sings them.
Gromit
Heh. cp Dylan, Neil Young.
I feel much the same way about Carole King.
Belated happy birthday, montag!
Thank you. Not belated, at all. Right on time, in fact.
Quick trip to the garden now, it's light, so will see what's left. Back shortly.
Happy birfday, montag.
Randy Newman is actually a great songwriter. I just like his tunes a lot better when someone else sings them.
"Sail Away" by the composer vs. "Sail Away" by Linda Ronstadt.
It's like comparing apples and cow pies...
Sheets, dammit.
Morning also. And shit.
Need. More. Caffeine.
brb
Corcovado?
Girl from Ipanema?
I'm sorry. Newman may be good. But he can't touch these.
Bob Herbert: Getting To Know You.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/2....html?th&
emc=th
Hey, happy birthday, Montag! I hope it's a great weekend for you.
And happy birthday! Hope it's a pleasant one.
Thank you. Maybe it will be.
Birthday cake for breakfast!
(Old, old Cosby routine)
Happy birfday, montag.
Hey, happy birthday, Montag! I hope it's a great weekend for you.
Thank you all. I hope it will be, and for you all, too.
Showing them that change is possible without significant discomfort is a major step in the right direction.
Well, I hear ya, friend. But what if it's not possible to do without "discomfort"? It all depends on how you define it, I suppose.
I was at a transportation thing the other day, a press conference of people saying all the right things. All for it. Part of the conversation entails extolling the virtues of "active transportation"-- bikes and walking, basically-- which leads to better health, lower health care costs, a better economy, lower GHG emissions. Good stuff, truly. But I fear what people hear is "they want me to ride a bike to work." And they ain't gonna do that.
Personally, I think a pre-industrialized economy, if tweaked to bring in modern concepts of gender, race and sexual orientation equality, could end up being a better society than the one we have, with the right kind of things valued properly and with more rewarding work and social interactions. In a sense, that'd be more "comfortable," in the true sense of the word-- but I doubt that most people would agree with me.
Birthday cake for breakfast!
(Old, old Cosby routine)
Well, maybe lunch.
Personally, I think a pre-industrialized economy, if tweaked to bring in modern concepts of gender, race and sexual orientation equality, could end up being a better society than the one we have, with the right kind of things valued properly and with more rewarding work and social interactions.
You can never go back, voluntarily, from the Iron Age to the Bronze Age, or from the Bronze Age to the Stone Age.
That's the nature of the development of civilization. You want to undo modern agriculture and revert to 8000 years ago? Three billion people will die within two years, of starvation, and two billion more in the five years after that. Think of what severe food shortages would mean in the US alone. Pretty ugly. People with guns would be the ones to prevail.
No, you have to slide into change, so that people adapt to it, rather than fight it, even if it means the change goes a little slower than one would like, or believes necessary. Otherwise, everything collapses at once, and there's uncontrolled chaos.
That's what the `pugs want--because in chaos, there is opportunity for the few, rather than the many. Disaster capitalism will prevail.
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