I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
No way
..but we want the gossip from netroots!
Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
McCain doesn't know what he is talking about , ever.
Wholly cow! near the top?
is McCain senile or just a professional flipflopper?
..but we want the gossip from netroots!
just saw Bob Barr in the corridor
he's crazy
I'm soaked from sweating so damn much...
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I admit I'm surprised that support for gays and lesbians serving in the military openly is so high.
Most of the bigots are old and dying off.
Yay.
Eminem is from Warren and Mcsame was just trying out his Real Slim Shady imitation.
Hey rmj, one post down says Houston is more walkable than Memphis, and a bunch of other places too.
he's crazy
fourlegsgood
did you spit on Harold Ford?
from below:
Gravitational force will be with you, always.
with me, yes, but then I believe in science
did you spit on Harold Ford?
No.
the best people don't spit
50 ways to lose the election.
/paul simon
When we speak of social progress what we really mean is that a lot of the enemies of progress are croaking, not necessarily that their minds changed.
the best people don't spit
fourlegsgood
but did you at least think about it?
From below:
Moe - if you can get through to someone high up at Environment Canada and find out what their positions are regarding Great Lakes access and short-sea shipping, please let me know. Also check with the ON and QC provinicial governments on their legislation.
For once, the US (due to actions of states bordering the Great Lakes) is a bit ahead of Canada. I want to know how soon there will be unified legislation.
there is no way he makes it thru to the end.
Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist
Don't be fatuous, Rmj.
but did you at least think about it?
I thought about giving him a swift kick in the ass
Okay, Roadmaster, will do. It's summer in Canada, which means that the entire civil service is at the cottage, but when they get back, I'll let ya know.
I thought about giving him a swift kick in the ass
fourlegsgood
that's the centaur we know and love 
there is no way he makes it thru to the end.
nona
Lets hope he does.
Goldwaters don't grow on trees.
And I think we're seeing how Sid Vacuous managed to deal with his POW captors - tell them different stories every week.
And I'm being serious about that.
is McCain senile or just a professional flipflopper?
plum p,better democrats please | 07.19.08 - 4:40 pm | #
He's a lying, sociopathic, fuckwitted Republican.
I have pictures of al gore, but forgot my camera cord.
so sorry
cnn is bending over backwards to be "fair" to McRigorMortis. About 30 secs of Obama with the troops, and at least a minute of McDeath on conan, a free airing of McMsBeerMoney's new Obama hit peice ad, and a "cute" story on who should play McPolident in a tv movie. Ugh.
A. Morphous, jerked around | 07.19.08 - 4:37 pm
And yet today, someone in the LAT claims Obama is getting more press than McMummy.
Unequal coverage doesn't serve Obama or McCain
The Illinois senator's historic candidacy, battle with Hillary Clinton and public appeal help explain -- but don't excuse -- the gap in network airtime between him and GOP rival John McCain.
http://www.latimes.com/news/
poli...187,print.story
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 07.19.08 - 4:43 pm |
I thought about giving him a swift kick in the ass
fourlegsgood, netrooted
A swift kick in the ass from a centaur is to be taken seriously.
And I think we're seeing how Sid Vacuous managed to deal with his POW captors - tell them different stories every week.
just so.
He thinks we won't notice
I read that article last night in the Detroit News. What might be missing is that the automakers - ALL automakers, including the Japanese, Koreans, and everyone else - oppose this because they cannot deal with patchwork regulations. They need a national standard.
(I think they should have a national standard that is as tough as California's)
d o o p
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Wasn't there a court ruling saying other states couldn't adopt California standards?
cnn is bending over backwards to be "fair" to McRigorMortis. About 30 secs of Obama with the troops, and at least a minute of McDeath on conan, a free airing of McMsBeerMoney's new Obama hit peice ad, and a "cute" story on who should play McPolident in a tv movie. Ugh.
A. Morphous, jerked around
I watched a little CNN toady and it was incredible. Nothing but fucking lies. Nothing but fucking lies. Nothing but fucking lies (oh, and did I tell you it was nothing but fucking lies?) Well, it was.
Wasn't there a court ruling saying other states couldn't adopt California standards?
doan know.
don't think so - I think justice tried to argue that, but lost
i could be wrong
so much inanity coming out of this admin it's hard to keep up
Wasn't there a court ruling saying other states couldn't adopt California standards?
I think the court ruled that California could no longer have their own standards.
North Dakota has leverage to insist on their own fuel standards!
I watched a little CNN toady and it was incredible. Nothing but fucking lies. Nothing but fucking lies. Nothing but fucking lies (oh, and did I tell you it was nothing but fucking lies?) Well, it was.
SHOCKING!!!
BOOBIES!
Buckeye,
How iz ur leg doin' today?
bo | 07.19.08 - 4:40 pm | #
Thanks for asking. I think it's better, it's not getting more swollen, at least.
But I did a short bit of vacuuming earlier and my leg 'informed' me that perhaps I should stop putting pressure on it. So it's propped up again.
Wasn't there a court ruling saying other states couldn't adopt California standards?
Moe Szyslak
I don't think so. What I think happened was that the Bush Administration, by edict, said that the automakers did not have to meet California's standards (as had been the tradition) if they met the national standard.
This was bogus as well.
Wasn't there a court ruling saying other states couldn't adopt California standards?
I think you're right-don't they have to be Federal standards? I believe California was grandfathered in somehow?
when we had access to a tv after a week of none, we had the tv on cnn to catch up. I couldn't see which channel it was and I couldn't tell whether or not it was fukz news or not. cnn is not a reliable news source anymore.
cnn is not a reliable news source anymore.
You lived in a cave for how many years now?
cnn is not a reliable news source anymore.
brewing liberally
was it ever?
say anything to win, then forget what you said.
you go, skin mccancer!
cnn is not a reliable news source anymore.
brewing liberally
was it ever?
plum p,better democrats please | 07.19.08 - 4:53 pm |
Sort of, yes. When Turner stilled owned them.
it used to be. remember when it first started. you could get news without having to wait till 6 pm. Aaron Brown was good. Now it's just more lame ass fukz lite.
The man's a ding-dong.
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From the GOS, Via e-mail, a prominent Republican strategist who occasionally provides advice to the McCain campaign said, simply, "We're fucked." No response yet from the McCain campaign, although here's what McCain said the last time Maliki mentioned withdrawal: "Since we are succeeding, then I am convinced, as I have said before, we can withdraw and withdraw with honor, not according to a set timetable. And I’m confident that is what Prime Minister Maliki is talking about, since he has told me that for many meetings we’'ve had."
http://wwww.dailykos.com
A maverick can shit where ever it wants, kinda like a Unitary Executive President.
Iz only 98F here now, so I'm going back outside to float in the pool and drink champagne and watch The Prisoner.
Some days are really better than others.
Big deal. I'm floating in my pool, watching The Prisoner on my portable DVD player, drinking Korbel Chardonnay champagne.
is it the one where he almost escapes?
airc, California was granted a legislative exception, based on the EPA's ruling about smog. It doesn't apply to other states, is how the court ruled. That's how I remember it anyway-- I could have it all wrong.
is McCain senile or just a professional flipflopper? - plum p
Oui.
From the GOS, Via e-mail, a prominent Republican strategist who occasionally provides advice to the McCain campaign said, simply, "We're fucked."
[falls off chair laughing ]
And, plum-p - My pal, Bill S. is in Pointe des Cascades. Thanks, Province of Quebec Health Insurance!
I have to go to a wedding now. But I'd rather be with you...
We got cable for the first time because we kept hearing all the hoopla about CNN's coverage leading up the the first Gulf war.
When we got it and watched, we were shocked at how plastic the coverage was. We canceled before the month was up because we didn't want our daughters acclimated to that.
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Thanks, Province of Quebec Health Insurance!
GWPDA
what happened?
I have to go to a wedding now. But I'd rather be with you...
JDub
For better or worse...
From the GOS, Via e-mail, a prominent Republican strategist who occasionally provides advice to the McCain campaign said, simply, "We're fucked."
Reality-based Republican. Who'd-a thunk it?
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hey jdub, this is a cash bar, better go to the wedding instead. Dad took the liquor cabinet keys
I concluded some years ago that of all the contemptible stuff you could find on tv, the nooz was the most contemptible...
what happened?
He's been fighting non-Hodgkins lymphoma for nearly ten years, and finally has had the transplant, which seems to have taken and worked.... In the States, he'd be dead. In Pointe des Cascades, he's recovering nicely and being a person. I'm very grateful.
Wasn't there a court ruling saying other states couldn't adopt California standards?
I think it depends upon which standards are in question. For example, the Northeast Consortium sued a few years ago to adopt particulate standards equivalent to California's, and I think that eventually forced the adoption of country-wide standards for low sulfur diesel fuel and new diesel engine standards that more or less equaled those of California.
But, the most recent flap over standards was that California had added CO2 to its list of emissions that CARB could regulate. The automakers went bonkers, and the EPA ruled that, no, CA couldn't do that on its own, and California sued the EPA. That suit is still in progress, and a dozen other states have joined California in the meantime.
it is shocking how few peeps are attending this NOLA panel.
From the GOS, Via e-mail, a prominent Republican strategist who occasionally provides advice to the McCain campaign said, simply, "We're fucked."
Who's the Republican economic adviser who wrote the op-ed saying Republicans should support Obama because the GOP has made such a mess of everything?
He said foreign affairs and the environment trump everything and anything Obama does economically can always be fixed later.
He said it's what lots of Republicans are saying to each other but are afraid to say publicly. So he thought he'd give 'em a helping hand by going first.
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McCain doesn't know what he is talking about , ever.
mer
He never got the memo about women having rights in this country.
Let's see - he's all for Viagra but he's against contraception for women.
What's next - he comes out for legalizing rape in the US?
Why does he dislike Iran so much - his attitudes on women are the same as the mullahs'.
Obama changes his mind: he's a flip-flopper!
McCain changes his mind: he's thoughtful and reflective!
And that's how we of the MSM keep the playing field level, you DFH's.
After all, fair is fair.
OK, not a court case, but:
n December…federal regulators denied California’s request for mandating that fuel economy reach a 42-and-a-half gallon average by 2020.
Congress set a different standard last year…about seven miles per gallon less than the California plan.
But at least 20 other states have adopted or are considering the standards set in California…
So automakers and auto dealers are fighting a bid by California to have the federal ruling against state standards reversed.
Still…few analysts predict any changes will happen before the election in November…
In Pointe des Cascades, he's recovering nicely and being a person. I'm very grateful.
GWPDA
good! i'm so ashamed of Canada this week that a bit of positive helps moral
On cnn, Obama is surrounded almost exclusively by black troops in Afghanistan. In a number of shots. I wonder if the military has done this on purpose.
it is shocking how few peeps are attending this NOLA panel.
fourlegsgood
man, even the netroots don't care about it anymore? Then, they're really doomed over there
good! i'm so ashamed of Canada this week that a bit of positive helps moral
could be worse
U could be in the USA
man, even the netroots don't care about it anymore? Then, they're really doomed over there
The city haz been forgotten.
very sad.
Hey rmj, one post down says Houston is more walkable than Memphis, and a bunch of other places too.
Moe Szyslak
Maybe the exclusive neighborhoods of Houston, where nobody goes who walks anyway (except the maids, to the bus stop).
For the rest of us, Houston is as walkbable as El "A". Maybe less so.
Back in the 50's, when Hollywood insisted on nicknaming actors, Mannix's Mike Connors was billed as "Touch" Connors.
I laugh every time I think of that.
In what amounts to a repudiation of the GOP's Iraq position, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has endorsed Barack Obama's call for a 16-month withdrawal timetable: "That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
I wonder what the reaction to this is gonna be.
U could be in the USA
fourlegsgood
that's what i tell myself every time i see our prime minister on tv...
it is shocking how few peeps are attending this NOLA panel.
fourlegsgood
Why am I not surprised?
Still…few analysts predict any changes will happen before the election in November…
I'm sure they can just copy and paste that quote in every article from now to then.
News coverage of the first Gulf War was nothing but "rah rah, USA."
Even the fucking Super Bowl that year with Whitney Houston caterwauling was one big pep rally for the Bush I's ego trip.
In what amounts to a repudiation of the GOP's Iraq position, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has endorsed Barack Obama's call for a 16-month withdrawal timetable:
Considering that the White House leaked this, I will withhold judgment on the veracity of Maliki's endorsement.
Maliki favors Obama:
See, Obama is an arab lover.
/McEightTrack.
Back in the 50's, when Hollywood insisted on nicknaming actors, Mannix's Mike Connors was billed as "Touch" Connors.
I laugh every time I think of that.
MP
His real name being Krekor Ohanian.
McEightTrack
that's what i tell myself every time i see our prime minister on tv...
plum p,better democrats ple
A few years back I remember having conversation with this Canadian blogger and telling him how Harper scared me; but he assured me Canada would never let that happen.
Now I just hope he's the last great mistake of conservatism like Bush is for us down here.
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Good ol' SF Chron keeping it's trap shut about al-Maliki's statement. No link on the main page of SFGate, Nor is it featured on the Politics page. Just a link in the AP Stories box.
Calling all meatheads!
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On cnn, Obama is surrounded almost exclusively by Black troops in
Afghanistan. In a number of shots. I wonder if the military has done
this on purpose.
It is hard to imagine anything spontaneous happening in a presidential campaign photo op in a war zone among people submitting for years to a rigid command hierarchy, but it is entirely possible that given his huge support among Blacks they went out of their way or asked on their own account. Getting Rovey it also sounds like the kind of poison gift they gave CBS, setting up a situation that they can later exploit while exonerating themselves.
CNN is showing a live shot of Charleston's bridge and described it as ominous look at a city awaiting the impact of Tropical Storm Cristobal.
Can anyone confirm my interpretation of the covergar?
I keep wondering if maybe one day the staff in the White House might look up from their keyboards and realize that they've sold their souls and then decide to take the administration down themselves...
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supports US presidential candidate Barack Obama's plan to withdraw US troops from Iraq within 16 months. When asked in and interview with SPIEGEL when he thinks US troops should leave Iraq, Maliki responded "as soon as possible, as far as we are concerned." He then continued: "US presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."
http://www.spiegel.de/
internatio...,566841,00.html
McEightTrack? Hell, McCylinder.
mcbomb reminds me of the movie 'say anything.'
Considering that the White House leaked this, I will withhold judgment on the veracity of Maliki's endorsement.
Maliki's statement was made to a german journalist and reported in the Guardian.
WH just forwarded the article by mistake.
I made a mighty fine pot roast for dinner.
That's right pot roast.
I keep wondering if maybe one day the staff in the White House might look up from their keyboards and realize that they've sold their souls and then decide to take the administration down themselves...
atablarasa
Never gonna happen. Never.
I keep wondering if maybe one day the staff in the White House might look up from their keyboards and realize that they've sold their souls and then decide to take the administration down themselves...
atablarasa
Sadly, I don't see that happening.
They've been paid very well for having sold their souls.
Purple fingers!
Soverign nation!
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Why do people keep linking to different articles which are, in fact, the post we're presently commenting on?
Now I just hope he's the last great mistake of conservatism like Bush is for us down here.
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Sparkle Plenty
hurrah for parlementary politics then. Harper is stuck in a minority govt and cannot get the numbers to give him a majority cause the east of manitoba is scared of him. We expect his govt to fall this autumn. The Omar Khadr proof of torture video and Harper still not wanting to do a damn thing about it is the final draw. Expect a weak Libéral govt in it's place by december.
Also - Hala Fattah isn't ded either!
In the faint hope tinfoil hat department:
The apparent disinterest in prosecution is a ruse. W, is so lazy that if he can be lulled into thinking no one is going to bother prosecuting anyone he'll forgo the constitutionally non reviewable pardons. Then, after the new administration takes over...SURPRISE! Shhhh, don't say anything.
Sadly, I don't see that happening.
They've been paid very well for having sold their souls.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Well, they are the truest of the true believers. No Stockmans or Deans (John) left among their ranks.
OH, sorry, three posts down. But still.
Close, but no cigar.
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A helicopter carrying the Rev. Sun Myung Moon crashed into a mountainside Saturday as it attempted an emergency landing, injuring the founder of the Unification Church and 15 others, officials said.
Moon, 88, was slightly injured in the crash, a hospital official said. Members of Moon's family, including his wife, were also hurt, and one person suffered a serious back injury, fire official Kim Wu-jong said
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How about just "McCane"?
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I'm not dead yet!
They've been paid very well for having sold their souls.
Yeah, but I still can dream.
That's what makes me a DFH, yes?
Sadly, I don't see that happening.
They've been paid very well for having sold their souls.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Well, they are the truest of the true believers. No Stockmans or Deans (John) left among their ranks.
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist
Ohhhhhhhh, no.
Nixon's crew were saints compared to this bunch.
Why do people keep linking to different articles which are, in fact, the post we're presently commenting on?
Moe Szyslak
There's a post we're commenting on?
How is McMildew "fucked" if he can claim that Maliki wants us out due to the surge's "success"?
mccane. now, there's something...
The apparent disinterest in prosecution is a ruse. W, is so lazy that if he can be lulled into thinking no one is going to bother prosecuting anyone he'll forgo the constitutionally non reviewable pardons. Then, after the new administration takes over...SURPRISE! Shhhh, don't say anything.
At this point, I'd have to file that possibility in the "Wishful Thinking" drawer.
Hussein Obama has already made a series of missteps in his overseas campaign tour. His entire candidacy is crumbling beneath his feet. Americans are getting a first look at Obama overseas and they don't like what they see.
keep wondering if maybe one day the staff in the White House might look up from their keyboards and realize that they've sold their souls and then decide to take the administration down themselves...
atablarasa
they are either soulless freaks, religious zealots, entitled suburbanites, or came from the laready-been-paid-off crowd and know that a WH reference is their ticket to corporate welfare.
I also has Curly, for those who partake (not Moe!).
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Comment by auggiesback blocked.
Sooooooooooo nice not to have to look at the idiotic posts of this moron.
The troll can eat my shorts.
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I am going to carefully place this havahart troll trap in the middle of the comment thread and then release the thing beyond the 100-mile limit.
How is McMildew "fucked" if he can claim that Maliki wants us out due to the surge's "success"?
He's fucked because he still wants to stay and Maliki is saying, "no thanks, go home yankeeee"
mcmildew.
How is McMildew "fucked" if he can claim that Maliki wants us out due to the surge's "success"?
A. Morphous, jerked around
McCain doesn't want to leave, just to declare "victory" so we can build bases and stay for 100 years of peaceful freedom.
Maliki wants us out. Soonest. He explicitly agrees with Obama. When this filters from the German press to the British to the US, McCain is screwed.
Obama's campaign is already trumpeting it
Americans are getting a first look at Obama overseas and they don't like what they see.
And everybody in the reach of my voice has won the POWERBALL!!!
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No - but Moe, ur not a middle aged Iraqi girl historian whose family was from Basra and who fled to Jordan without a word for some time either.
I noes where u are. Now - I noes where Hala Fattah iz and Bill and Ray too! See, when ur friends are far far away, it's sometimes hard to keep track.
Moon is 88 and survived a fracking helo crash into a mountain. Think about that. Either he's dead and it's being covered up or he really did make a satanic pact.
Americans are getting a first look at Obama overseas and they don't like what they see.
auggie also believes Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
And that he doesn't have to give a woman his credit card number to enjoy her company.
Hmm. The closer it gets to the election, the more delirious the true believers become....
Moe is a pretend-canadian
Well, it's 4:20 somehwere. Oh, here. Nao!
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I want a mexican coke
release the thing beyond the 100-mile limit.
peterboy
I'd rather shoot it - put it out of its misery.
Moe is a pretend-canadian
Hee- close enough for now. I think he can sponsor people naow, no?
I want a mexican coke
fourlegsgood
go get one, you're closer to the border than i am!
I want a mexican coke
fourlegsgood, netrooted
Go for the Dublin Dr. Pepper. Much better.
Ah, good to hear, GWPDA!
Well, it's 4:20 somehwere. Oh, here. Nao!
Dayum right Mister.
I want a mexican coke
In the icebox, bottom drawer. Double sized!
WaPo comments on the two blogger meetups in Austin:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8071702662.html
mop futures are going crazy in anticipation of expected skyrocketing demand cos of exploding haids in november
I think he can sponsor people naow, no?
GWPDA
don't think so?
McEightTrack? Hell, McCylinder.
McBangingRocksTogether
By way of the outstanding NY edition of the always excellent Plep, here are photographs from a Swedish fallout shelter called the Elephant.
Ooops. Fucked up my name.
I think he can sponsor people naow, no?
Really? I didn't know that.
If I can swing it, I'm gonna get my citizenship next Canada Day.
Yeah, wingnuts are vehemently for states' rights, except when a state does something they don't like. Then they're for a strong federal government.
And everybody in the reach of my voice has won the POWERBALL!!! . Jeffraham Prestonian
Talk louder, PLEASE, talk louder!
Hmm. The closer it gets to the election, the more delirious the true believers become....
montag
And more delusional.
Bush didn't give a shit about them - why do they think things will be any different than McCain?
Oops - any different WITH McCain.
McCain camp reacts to Maliki’s call for withdrawal: Voters don’t care what Iraqi leaders say.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07...-iraqi-leaders/
McCain for the win!
I'd rather shoot it - put it out of its misery.
Terry C,
then, I dont need to use the havahart. works for me. but i doubt it can swim. that requires coordinating turning your head out of the water with opening and closing your mouth.
Yeah, wingnuts are vehemently for states' rights, except when a state does something they don't like. Then they're for a strong federal government.
R. McGeddon
Well, hey - they want less government in people's lives unless it's to put THEIR agenda forward.
They have no problem with government in people's bedrooms then.
this panel is sad
peeps here asking for help
it's not right that we've abandoned NOLA
And here is a photoset of adorable old signs. You've got to spend some time with it. It will possess your heart.
What is the richest nation on Earth?
The Republic of Ireland, because its capital is always Dublin.
And because of their Lucky Charms.
McCain camp reacts to Maliki’s call for withdrawal: Voters don’t care what Iraqi leaders say.
That's why we've spent $1 trillion and 4K American lives on this war for democracy - to completely ignore the will of the Iraqi people.
If I can swing it, I'm gonna get my citizenship next Canada Day.
Moe Szyslak
don't forget, you've got to be able to sing the Oh Canada in both Official Languages or we send you back to Bush Country!
it's not right that we've abandoned NOLA
fourlegsgood
man, i want tooo cry now.
R. McGeddon: That's why we've spent $1 trillion and 4K American lives on this war for democracy - to completely ignore the will of the Iraqi people.
If only Chalabi were in charge...
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Aw fuck... I'm hating this - free tix & camping at:
http://www.dunegrassfestival.net/
don't forget, you've got to be able to sing the Oh Canada in both Official Languages or we send you back to Bush Country!
plum p,better democrats please
Won't be Bush Country anymore.
It will be Obama Land.
don't forget, you've got to be able to sing the Oh Canada in both Official Languages or we send you back to Bush Country!
plum p
My inlaws refuse to sing the English version, cuz of that god thing. They're red diaper babies, see.
Weirdly, both they and my wingnut American father have a problem with me getting dual citizenship. "Divided loyalties," blah, blah, blah.
it's not right that we've abandoned NOLA
fourlegsgood
Especially after Asshole in Chief made such a big deal of vowing to set things right again.
McCain camp reacts to Maliki’s call for withdrawal: Voters don’t care what Iraqi leaders say.
Sounds like McCain doesn't want to accept the facts on the ground.
Obama: I think 16 months is about right for withdrawal
McCain: Go to Iraq and get the facts on the ground from the people on the ground before planning to surrender to the terrorists.
Maliki: I think 16 months is about right for withdrawal, maybe 15 months.
McCain: No one cares what people on the ground think the facts on the ground are.
it's not right that we've abandoned NOLA
fourlegsgood
No, it's not.
McCain camp reacts to Maliki’s call for withdrawal: Voters don’t care what Iraqi leaders say.
Since when does McStain speak for the voters of this country?
We have heard of a lot of nat'l forests practically giving away sites, severe discounts, hotels getting very cheap, and still not able to half fill their capacities. Isn't the free market glorious, comrades?
Weirdly, both they and my wingnut American father have a problem with me getting dual citizenship. "Divided loyalties," blah, blah, blah.
Moe Szyslak
well...i kinda agree! you gotta choose, baby!
Canadian Dual Loyalty -- it's because the Canucks always kick our asses whenever we try to conquer them.
The credit cards are maxxed out
The talking points are faxed out
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McCain: No one cares what people on the ground think the facts on the ground are.
Snow (D-SC)
That sums it up perfectly.
Weirdly, both they and my wingnut American father have a problem with
me getting dual citizenship. "Divided loyalties," blah, blah, blah.
T'ain't divided - they're widened, opening, all encompassing.
As my mother told the idiot State Department lawyer, when he asked her why she hadn't 'registered her children' when she bore them in Canada - "Well - we weren't at war." Exactly. Nations at peace with one another do not have to go blaring around about loyalties.
Nations at peace with one another do not have to go blaring around about loyalties.
GWPDA
it's not about loyalties it's about...pride?
well...i kinda agree! you gotta choose, baby!
plum p,
Do children have to decide on one parent or another when they get a divorce?
Nations at peace with one another do not have to go blaring around about loyalties.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
see it in imax
I want to, but there are no Imaxes nearby!
MCsame campaign will be revising that statement.
they likely will say something like this: Maliki statement proves mcsame is right and that the surge has worked. If Ob had his way then there wouldnt have been a surge and wouldnt have been success.
that is what I would say if I were a gooper asshole or writing TPs for a gooper asshole such as mcsame.
If Atrios wants to see what a really "walkable" neighborhood looks like, he ought to come visit me on historic Jackson Blvd., in Chicago.
Of course, we don't have a Starbucks within walking distance, but there are three real coffee shops instead. Within 6 blocks there's the best high school in Chicago (Whitney Young), a brand new grammar school being built, two huge parks (one of which is at this very moment hosting the Pitchfork Music Festival) and stops on both the Blue Line and the Pink Line (a subway and elevated train). The Jackson Bus stops on the corner of my block and takes you into the Loop in exactly 11 blocks and will drop you in front of the Art Institute in 15 blocks (walkable on a nice day). Within 6 blocks, we've got everything from public housing to multi-million dollar 19th century townhouses (built before the Chicago Fire). Six block West of here is the United Center where the Bulls and Black Hawks play. Oh yeah, my wife walks the 7 blocks to her office on the UIC campus and the Rush St. Luke's medical campus is 5 blocks South and Cook County Hospital is 6 blocks SouthWest.
What abandonment? We pogrommed NOLA, and anyway our God said we could have that land, and they weren't doing anything particularly special with it, and the allergic to spicy food soulless white yuppies now building condos there had nowhere else they could build horrible mcmansions. There was plenty of government attention from a government full of libtards destined to vindicate Maoists.
this panel is sad
peeps here asking for help
Does it seem to be lack of interest, or is there another panel going on at the same time that's drawing all the people?
Nations at peace with one another do not have to go blaring around about loyalties.
According to the Code of Wingnuttery, if you're a Merkin and you don't go blaring around 24 hours/day about how much better you are than anyone else, you're unpatriotic.
Do children have to decide on one parent or another when they get a divorce?
Moe Szyslak
i don't think that analogy works here
I don't see the contradiction. Obama laid out his basic philosophy that we should leave Iraq in about 16 months. Now he's going to talk to the generals on the "ground" about how to tactically do that.
I'd guess that 5:30 in the afternoon on a Saturday isn't the best time to have a panel discussion. They're all at the bar.
Pride.... Well, perhaps. But I have found that I am able to be responsibly patriotic with both my nations, without ever having to prefer one over the other.
MCsame campaign will be revising that statement.
they likely will say something like this: Maliki statement proves mcsame is right and that the surge has worked. If Ob had his way then there wouldnt have been a surge and wouldnt have been success.
Except al Maliki took that away from him:
"So far the Americans have had trouble agreeing to a concrete timetable for withdrawal, because they feel it would appear tantamount to an admission of defeat. But that isn't the case at all. If we come to an agreement, it is not evidence of a defeat, but of a victory, of a severe blow we have inflicted on al-Qaida and the militias."
McCain has no choice, unless he wants to say Maliki knows nothing, and Petraeus is in charge. And then what? We're an empire? An occupying force?
I must pet kittehs for a few...
brb
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According to the Code of Wingnuttery, if you're a Merkin and you don't go blaring around 24 hours/day about how much better you are than anyone else, you're unpatriotic.
R. McGeddon |
As I have said many times:
The American brand of "patriotism" has always embarrassed me.
They can take that in-your-face, we-can-do-whatever-we-want, we're-better-than-everyone-else bullshit and stick it where the sun don't shine!
that is what I would say if I were a gooper asshole or writing TPs for a gooper asshole such as mcsame.
peterboy | 07.19.08 - 5:39 pm | #
It WILL be spun that way.
50 ways to lose the election.
/paul simon
The problem is all inside your head, Gramm said to me.../the answer is easy if you think politically. / I'd like to help you have your chance at C-in-C / there must be 50 ways to lose the gen'ral.
Fifty ways to lose the gen'ral...
You just flip on CAFE, hey...
Sell out the gays, say
One thing to the blacks, Jack
and spin in Dixie
Stand square against torture
Then don't vote for cloture
You don't need to show up, yup,
To have it both ways.
I do what I can for both countries. I'm politically engaged in both, I support financially and rhetorically worthy causes in both. I like to think I contribute in a meaningful fashion in both. I could do better, if I could actually put an X in a box in this one.
I'd guess that 5:30 in the afternoon on a Saturday isn't the best time to have a panel discussion. They're all at the bar.
Moe Szyslak
That's what I was thinking. Timing is everything.
Teh cicadas are all sounding off all of a sudden - rain's coming.
I have found that I am able to be responsibly patriotic with both my nations, without ever having to prefer one over the other.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
and good for you!
Why should anyone have to choose?
Another thing I love is the official media narrative about how McCain is the wise old guru of foreign policy and Obana doesn't know shit. In 2002 Obama was right about Iraq, McCain was wrong. Obama continues to be right, McCain continues to be wrong. But it's McCain who's wise and serious and Obama who's "inexperienced."
Being a Native Texan, I have ALWAYS lived in two countries.
You get used to it.
BTW, has there ever been a post-invasion formal accounting of what's going on with the Iraqi oil?
GWPDA, are you getting much of a monsoon so far this year?
Fucking hot in my neck of the woods.
I spent the greater part of the day cleaning the house.
I have a feeling I'm going to pay for this somehow.
Being a Native Texan, I have ALWAYS lived in two countries.
You get used to it.
RMJ, with me, it's also as tho there's a third identity - that of Westerner, Southwesterner. And that one is the dominant one. The commonality is in that, rather than the "US" or teh 'Canadian'. Things are not quite as simple as people would like them to be.
I could do better, if I could actually put an X in a box in this one.
Moe Szyslak
as long as that X is fot the NDP
The American brand of "patriotism" has always embarrassed me.
American exceptionalism. One refuge of the willfully ignorant.
I have a feeling I'm going to pay for this somehow
Unfortunately, yes. I'm still paying for staying up to see Mellencamp in concert last night.
But, in an odd way - I still enjoy that burnt out feeling occasionally.
Dang, it's hot out there on the deck, where Curly wants his brushing.
I lasted all of 3 minutes.
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Big, ginormous monsoon this year. Started three weeks early, lots and lots of rain. Resevoirs are filling up nicely. Now - if I can only persuade Arthur not to go into hysterics every time there's a thunderstorm, I may survive.
I lasted all of 3 minutes
Ain't nuthin like central air, is there?
Being a Native Texan, I have ALWAYS lived in two countries.
You get used to it.
Rmj, Itinerant Theologist | Homepage | 07.19.08 - 5:44 pm | #
Being an ashkenazi jew and an immigrant, I have always felt that I might have to make a break to the border at anytime.
Big, ginormous monsoon this year.
glad to hear it. the last few years in Tucson, seemed like we didn't get much. I felt cheated - I love the storms.
Barndog: Ain't nuthin like central air, is there?
I have mine set at 83°F, too, and it felt HEAVENLY after 3 minutes outside...!
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RMJ, with me, it's also as tho there's a third identity - that of Westerner, Southwesterner. And that one is the dominant one. The commonality is in that, rather than the "US" or teh 'Canadian'. Things are not quite as simple as people would like them to be.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Well, I'm from East Texas, so I'm also a "Southerner." Which is not entirely consonant with being a Texas, nor a thing to be admitted to lightly, or explained easily.
So it goes.
Hmmm, I just went to the Corner, Red State, Powerline, and Free Republic.
They are all ignoring the Maliki story. More likely, they are waiting for talking points.
They are freaking out right now. None of them wants to say anything less they get in front of the wrong spin.
I find it humorous for Canadians to discuss the War of 1812 without mention of their own disasterous attempts to invade the US.
American exceptionalism. One refuge of the willfully ignorant.
Gromit, dirty hippie scientist | 07.19.08 - 5:48 pm | #
The most outstanding example of American exceptionalism is the idea of american exceptionalism itself - as if most nations are not deep in delusion about their unique and somehow special nature.
Americans are at least conscious of problems with this, unlike, for example, Norwegians or Germans.
Editing prowess failed me there; I'm a Texan, not a "Texas."
Ah, well....
ya know what's gross? fat tony orlando half nekkid on my teevee. yuck. enough to put you off eating for a while.
Okay, let's drink 6 out of 7 days, this week. 
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Canada won the war of 1812, even though Canada didn't come into existence until 1867. Go figure.
I just went to the Corner, Red State, Powerline, and Free Republic.
You have a strong stomach.
Americans are at least conscious of problems with this, unlike, for example, Norwegians or Germans.
Didn't Germans kinda get their noses rubbed in that couple of times last century?
problem with my faux gooper tps, is that they only work if you dont give a shit what the Iraqi's want, if you think it is our empire.
the goopers think that. americans, not so much. but some do. it's all about the oil and turmoil.
it aint even about israel to them. dont tell me those gooper assholes and christian fundamentalists give one whoot about jews.
time for a nice supper
later, folks!
But is Dawn hawt?
A great shot of the Dunegrass festival.. (Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore - on Lake Michigan)
http://www.dunegrassfestival.net...ages/
aerial.jpg
Well, I take my comment back. I said that nothing would inspire me to attend NRN. Nothing. Austin. July. Kossacks. Pedants. Sigh.
Except for one thing, about which I did not know: Al Gore in attendance.
I am now sufficiently jealous of the 2,000 lucky bastards who plopped the cash down to go.
it aint even about israel to them. dont tell me those gooper assholes and christian fundamentalists give one whoot about jews.
as i tried to explain to a winger landsmen one time, the wingers expect the world when end when all surviving jews are in israel.
fundies want to help the end times along a bit - all those nice shiny nukes just gathering dust when we could really have some fun with them...
Weekend migraines suck, big time.
Didn't Germans kinda get their noses rubbed in that couple of times last century?
mingo | 07.19.08 - 5:54 pm | #
slow learners, like most people.
You have a strong stomach.
Or strong narcotics.
Weekend migraines suck, big time.
Gromit, dirty hippie scientist
ALL migraines suck, big time.
Hate those fucking things with a white hot passion.
nap time...
sheets...
You have a strong stomach.
Or strong narcotics
Yes.
as i tried to explain to a winger landsmen one time, the wingers expect the world when end when all surviving jews are in israel.
Now couple that with Hagee's endorsement of Adolf Hitler. And the klieg lights come one!
SteveLG: Or strong narcotics.
Strong narcotics are not for weak stomachs, as I can attest!
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Vicki, Sounds like Al and Dr Dean were big hits. Harold Ford and Nancy Pelosi, not so much.
We'll see a lot more of Al in the future. I'm sure there will be panty-tossing opportunities galore.
hey Moe, i was jesting earlier. i have no problem with you keeping both nationalities.
Well, I take my comment back. I said that nothing would inspire me to attend NRN. Nothing. Austin. July. Kossacks. Pedants. Sigh.
Except for one thing, about which I did not know: Al Gore in attendance.
I am now sufficiently jealous of the 2,000 lucky bastards who plopped the cash down to go.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I might go to Austin. For the weekend. Otherwise, not. And since I don't share your love of Al Gore (we're just friends!).....
NRN I could care less about.
Modern Germans apologize several times a day for being German and scrupulously avoid being overtly nationally proud. (The Japanese on the other hand are basically able to make the same noises they made under Tojo so long as they don't really reconquer anything.) Furthermore, the German mindlessness in the two world wars can be traced to finite sources. At the outset of the first world war, Germans did not remember what defeat was like in any living person's lifetime, and were cresting on a long wave of smashing victories over opponents who were either superior or rated as such. They literally could not imagine failure. This inability to comprehend losing a war they fought so well for so long, coupled with the humiliations of Versailles and the blockades toward the end of the war, explains their second madness. Picture the US in Germany's interwar position (bearing in mind that Germany was in a better position because they hadn't willfully destroyed their own manufacturing capacity to enrich their parasite caste).
i have no problem with you keeping both nationalities.
I was under the impression Moe's wants are not a consideration in this matter.
it aint even about israel to them. dont tell me those gooper assholes and christian fundamentalists give one whoot about jews.
It has been pointed out and illustrated several times, often with embarassing frankness, that they certainly do, and never in a good way. They either grant the Protocols and expect they're buying a share, or they want total aliyah completed so Jebus will return and roast their present allies in eternal fire as part of the end of reality. Iraq was Israel's primary state enemy and such wild-eyed anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists who don't know anything about hw Washington works as Henry Kissinger have said pretty bluntly that it would be Balkanized into a Shia, a Sunni-Turkmen-Shia and a Kurdish statelet, neither of which could threaten Israel or support its nonstate enemies as Saddam had.
It is a little known fact that the backside of Mount Rushmore honors our nation's shittiest presidents.
Vicki, in streaming video, hurkey-jerkey as it was, it was WONDERFUL!
There must be a stored copy somewhere. Maybe if you go to the NetNewts video facility which was referenced this morning?
Such ease, such grace, such style - Vicki, the man used the word detritus accurately and without a care....
It just breaks my heart.
The media are just too tough on McCain. You can't expect anyone his age to remember what he said last week.
Zoe Lofgren on Cspan says she voted against Fisa but believes the criticism is overwrought. She says there was an immunity provision in the old law and a 50/50 chance the telcos would have gotten immunity anyway. She says the new bill has improvements in civil liberties and gives oversight to the Judiciary committee.
How will he know which side will pay the most unless he trots out all possible positions?
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