I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
must be a slow day
FLASH: RASMUSSEN New Hampshire Poll: Obama 37% Clinton 27%... MORE...
Impeach them all and bring them to the Hague in chains. Now.
Isn't no evidence generally good for Republicans...
boo!
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/
It_...__01042008.html
have many of them actually USED their 'healthcare' beyond a checkup? fuck the idiots, i am sick and tired of arguing very simplistic things that ought to be known
mogwai, cloud 9 dweller | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 11:37 am
And if they tried to use past checkups, they'd be denied payment.
so calling sheets has gone by the wayside? sorry, i'm just being grumpy.
As Obama moves through that crowd in Nashua he could be overheard, I think, promising higher pay for professors.
But, but, but .. I just saw Mark Halperin on C-Span say the Iowa results were good for Huckabee AND McCain.
bye for now 
Of course this kind of poll movement is small enough to be meaningless, but so far there's no evidence of McCain's 4th place showing in Iowa being good news for John McCain.
while edwards' second place finish on 1/3 the money is worth...total silence.
CD,
As soon as I saw them, I called them. (been "treadmilling")
OT from below: what a hoot it wuz when the press was trying to find ways to report about the influx of Eastern European migrants to our shores
as they were white (which made then hard to spot generally, so you couldn't scapegoat them) it was so hard for the gutter press to mold it in racial terms.
so instead they went on about numbers.
lotta legislation when it comes to immigrations is very racist and always hits those with brown skin the hardest
and they are also turned into demons by the press
Moonbootica, Employed | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 11:41 am
The Swiss hatred of Slav immigrants just confounds me. They're white, but they're Slavs so they're 'bad' whites?
Don't understand it.
From below:
I can't remember who said it the other day, but I thought that it was a great quote:
"Obama's not hitting the right notes, he's writing the music."
No hyperbole, what so ever. 
I love juxtaposition.
Atrios:
"Of course this kind of poll movement is small enough to be meaningless, but so far there's no evidence of McCain's 4th place showing in Iowa being good news for John McCain."
From 1Watt's link:
"Passersby in Bill Baggs and Crandon parks in Key Biscayne, south of Miami, were seen picking up the seemingly lifeless lizards from the ground beneath trees and setting them in the sun, where after a brief warm-up, most revived and scampered off into the bushes."
John McCain has killed more innocents than any other candidate.
thompson surge
...there's no evidence of McCain's 4th place showing in Iowa being good news for John McCain.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
Umm...You go to war with the absence of evidence that you have, not the absence of evidence that you wish you had!
~
John McCain has killed more innocents than any other candidate.
"Not true!"
/lesbian ghost of Vince Foster
while edwards' second place finish on 1/3 the money is worth...total silence.
chicago dyke, daring to belitt
Why do you insist on ignoring the wisdom of the narrative? Money talks.
If it doesn't, the entire American enterprise is undone.
DWD - amongst those of us forced to do it, we call it 'treading'.
but but but... He's a maverick!
"Huck Humps New Hampshire."
That would be a pleasing headline.
As Obama moves through that crowd in Nashua he could be overheard, I think, promising higher pay for professors.
P O'Neill |
Better he use his apparent magical power on this issue to create more tenure track positions as opposed to adjunct or temporary ones.
must be a slow day
General Zod | 01.05.08 - 11:49 am | #
There's always time for you to off yourself.
while edwards' second place finish on 1/3 the money is worth...total silence.
chicago dyke
I can't decide... is "total silence" better or worse than "haircuts, hedge funds and house" 24/7 ?
Since that's the likely alternative.
while edwards' second place finish on 1/3 the money is worth...total silence.
I mentioned this yesterday on my blog
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to hope that McCain really is their guy in the end. My brain tells me that there aren't really enough fundies in this country to carry Huck over the top by themselves, but my heart fears that he is tapping into something really powerful and evil here.
Iowa is only good news for me.
Yes, and think how much better John McCain's position will be after he loses all the other primaries!
I don't get how the nominees have been decided after one dinky primary.
TKK is the new NTodd.
Pass it on.
Our genes want to live on - thus sex, family, and racism.
racism is genetic?
i'm so confused. has it occured to people, 'white' people, that they may in fact have a black face in their family tree somewhere? mebbe even not so far back?
blerb, i hear you on the genocide of the First Peoples, but- white folks today are so proud of their "cherokee" heritage when they think they can claim it, but many (most?) would be deeply ashamed to learn they had a black ancestor.
Zod! I love your exercise routine!
Tampa Tribune this am is telling me how powerful and meaningful the Florida primary will be.
Wha???
I would be thrilled if I had a black ancestor - I wouldn't have to listen to Monica A's '40 acres and a mule' rants.
The only reason I'd think that McCain gets the nod, despite the fact that he has no traction, is because the convention is here this year.
And who's the chair of his campaign? MN governor Tim "T-Paw" Pawlenty.
It's all pretty storybook.
The medias attempt to pick a candidate on the Republican side has been disgusting. I'm kind of shocked that the goopers weren't dumb enough to go along with it.
my heart fears that he is tapping into something really powerful and evil here.
blerb | 01.05.08 - 12:00 pm | #
You got that right.
In the true spirit of bipartisanship, I propose a Huckabee/Obama ticket, not merely because we need more vowels in the presidency, but so that future historians will refer to this as the "Age of Exploding Heads."
Tampa Tribune this am is telling me how powerful and meaningful the Florida primary will be.
They like Rudy.
TKK, we all have African ancestors.
I can't decide... is "total silence" better or worse than "haircuts, hedge funds and house" 24/7 ?
Since that's the likely alternative.
SteveLG |
quoth Elizabeth Edwards to me: publicity means an uptick in the polls. she was specifically speaking of hillary, whom of course hardly ever gets fair or good coverage from the press. still, being on teevee means more votes. it's just that plain and sad a fact. elizabeth was upset that hillary had both more money to buy ads, and got plenty of free airtime by the villagers. it's just that plain and sad a fact.
so, haircuts is better than the silent treatment.
"Huck Humps New Hampshire."
That would be a pleasing headline.
Lime Rickey
How about "Huck Humps New Hampshire...
Vertically!"
listening to voters talk to the press I have the feeling of total incomprehension. Of course, CSPAN now has some insane republican romney supporter on - he sounds just openly insane.
They like Rudy.
The Kenosha Kid
But do GOP Floridians?
i'm so confused. has it occured to people, 'white' people, that they may in fact have a black face in their family tree somewhere? mebbe even not so far back?
blerb, i hear you on the genocide of the First Peoples, but- white folks today are so proud of their "cherokee" heritage when they think they can claim it, but many (most?) would be deeply ashamed to learn they had a black ancestor.
chicago dyke, daring to belitt | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:01 pm
This year I'm budgeting to do a couple of those DNA/ancestor kits (though getting dad's side of the family may be problematic).
I don't know what I'll find, but in the articles I've read there seem to be some surprised white folks: "I have black ancestry?!"
Why yes, yes you do.
Tampa Tribune this am is telling me how powerful and meaningful the Florida primary will be.
Florida thought it had it good in the days of Pontoon's Harris. They're riding her, ahem, coattails.
Alas, I'll never get the image of John Bolton counting chads out of my head.
/starts drinking varnish
gack i can't type today. again.
Woooooohoooooo!
UC Berkeley lawyer who justified harsh treatment of detainees sued
Bob Egelko, SFChronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, January 5, 2008
A man who was held in isolation for more than three years before being tried and convicted of aiding terrorists filed suit Friday against the UC Berkeley law professor and former Justice Department official whose memos justified inflicting physical and mental pain during interrogations.
Military officials relied on John Yoo's writings in subjecting Jose Padilla to prolonged sensory deprivation, sleep interruption, stress positions and other techniques designed to break his will, Padilla's lawyers said in a lawsuit filed in San Francisco. Padilla faces sentencing Monday in Miami....
"John Yoo was central to the justification and creation of the torture system," Jonathan Freiman, an attorney at a Yale Law School human rights clinic who represents Padilla, said in a statement. "What Yoo seems to have forgotten is that lawyers are not above the law."....
The Justice Department repudiated the memo in 2004, when Gonzales was up for confirmation as attorney general. Before the document surfaced, the official who signed it, Jay Bybee, Yoo's Justice Department supervisor, was appointed by President Bush to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
Padilla, a U.S. citizen and Muslim convert, was arrested in Chicago in 2002 and accused by Bush administration officials of plotting with al Qaeda to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb."
He was declared an enemy combatant by Bush and held in a brig without charges for 3 1/2 years, then charged with taking part in an unrelated conspiracy to provide money and supplies to Islamic extremist groups, with no reference to the alleged radioactive bomb. After prosecutors offered evidence of a document linking Padilla to an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, he and two co-defendants were convicted in August.
Padilla's lawyers have cited his treatment in the brig in an unsuccessful attempt to dismiss the charges and in opposing a life sentence sought by the government. Prosecutors say his treatment in military custody was irrelevant to the case and deny that he was tortured.
Friday's civil suit, filed on behalf of Padilla and his mother, Estela Lebron, said he had been subjected to physical and mental abuse throughout his confinement. He was kept in a blacked-out cell, hooded whenever he was let out, prevented from sleeping by loud noises, shackled or forced to stand in painful positions for long periods, exposed to extreme heat, cold and noxious fumes, threatened with death and denied access to lawyers, relatives or anyone else except his guards and interrogators, the suit says.
Padilla's lawyers said government documents show that Defense Department officials relied on Yoo's advice, in the August 2002 memo and other writings that "purported to provide legal justification for unprecedented and illegal detention and interrogation techniques."...
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blerb, i hear you on the genocide of the First Peoples, but- white folks today are so proud of their "cherokee" heritage when they think they can claim it, but many (most?) would be deeply ashamed to learn they had a black ancestor.
chicago dyke, daring to belitt
I'll grant you that black africans are most often portrayed by those who look different from them as being at the bottom of the scale of human virtue. Even the Nazis did that, although they had nothing like the virulent hatred for blacks that they did for Jews.
Wingnut coworker parroted to me that McCain getting anything more than 2% was a huge victory. Of course, he also said that the Clintons were going hire someone to 'take care' of Obama - I suggested Vince Foster.
I can't remember who said it the other day, but I thought that it was a great quote:
"Obama's not hitting the right notes, he's writing the music."
No hyperbole, what so ever.
Zap Rowsdower
I wouldn't call it hyperbole. It's the difference between the logical appeal vs. the emotional appeal.
It's been said many times, and here, that the Dems need to talk to the heart more instead of focusing on the head. Clinton and Edwards are talking specifics on policy and programs, as if people vote for that reason.
A few do - they are engaged, educated, and many of them hang out on blog comment threads But the vast majority of voters respond to an emotional appeal.
And Obama's carrying the day there.
Tom Lehrer -- "National Brotherhood Week."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...h?
v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY
And everyone hates the Jews!!!
They may like Rudy, TKK, but even the goopers can only sit half their delegates at their convention, and we, of course, can sit none. How the hell can that be powerful? They are saying it's all perception, of course. Bullshit.
The GOP's trying to sneak some sort of ugly tax ugliness on the ballot, btw - assuming, I assume, that the Dems will stay home.
Hugh Hewitt is scaring Assrocket
I caught the first few minutes Hugh Hewitt's radio show driving home from the airport a little while ago. I won't say that Hugh sounded suicidal, but he certainly wasn't happy about yesterday's Iowa caucus results. Hugh attributed today's stock market drop to the prospect of an Obama administration.
That strikes me as a little premature.
This year I'm budgeting to do a couple of those DNA/ancestor kits (though getting dad's side of the family may be problematic).
Be careful which one you buy. The LDS owns a sizable company that does all of that.
Along with ancestry.com...
"Age of Exploding Heads."
I loved it when the 5th Dimension sang that.
This is the dawning of the age of exploding heads
the age of exploding heads
explooooding heads
exploding heads
TKK, we all have African ancestors.
mimi | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:04 pm |
Well yeah, but try telling that to some redneck who thinks the earth is only 6000 years old and we descended from Adam and Eve. Who were white, of course.
Before the document surfaced, the official who signed it, Jay Bybee, Yoo's Justice Department supervisor, was appointed by President Bush to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.
And approved by fantabulous US Senate.
I suggested Vince Foster.
Poor Vince. The guy can't catch a break even now.
I wouldn't call it hyperbole. It's the difference between the logical appeal vs. the emotional appeal.
I agree, hence the .
I don't know if the Nazis hated the Jews more than Blacks. There weren't enough Blacks around to hate.
I do know that it's very "in" in Germany and elsewhere in Europe to have a Black boyfriend or girlfriend. It's still a racist way of thinking I believe, because Blacks aren't being treated as another human being but more of an object.
so, haircuts is better than the silent treatment.
chicago dyke
There's something to that...despite the false internet cracks and earth-tone nonsense for Gore...despite the silly flip-flop crap and mockery of military service for Kerry...they still had to resort to skullduggery to put their boy over.
white folks today are so proud of their "cherokee" heritage
They were talking about their SUVs.
My brain tells me that there aren't really enough fundies in this country to carry Huck over the top by themselves, but my heart fears that he is tapping into something really powerful and evil here.
blerb
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The scary thing about Huck is that he could appeal to fiscal moderates who are apathetic to social issues. And his well cultivated TV persona would make a lot of people feel good about voting against a woman or a black man, because they could feel they were voting FOR him.
Sigh. It's the same thing every election in a way. The Dems platform is fine, but it's our candidates that start giving me that sinking feeling that we're going to be sitting there in January wondering what the hell were we thinking.
This year I'm budgeting to do a couple of those DNA/ancestor kits (though getting dad's side of the family may be problematic).
Be careful which one you buy. The LDS owns a sizable company that does all of that.
Along with ancestry.com...
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:07 pm
Don't worry, I'll do my research.
I'm thinking of the National Geo one, and the one company out of England.
I caught the first few minutes Hugh Hewitt's radio show driving home from the airport a little while ago.
Assrocket's always at the airport.
I wish he would leave here...permanently.
Oh, and the other scary thing about Huck is how easily even his opponents shorten his name to the likeable appellation of "Huck".
Wish you were here???
http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/cam/north/
I loved it when the 5th Dimension sang that.
This is the dawning of the age of exploding heads
Toonscribe: Cartoon Liberal
Followed by "Let the Sunshine In Your Skull"
Hugh attributed today's stock market drop to the prospect of an Obama administration.
Not housing, bank troubles, or unemployment.
Bastard.
Oooooh, I had to bite my tongue yesterday to resist yelling "Huckabee!" at the Log Cabin puke down the street.
Schmuckabee.
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still a racist way of thinking I believe, because Blacks aren't being treated as another human being but more of an object.
mimi | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:08 pm | #
Fuck you, Butler.
.racism is genetic?
i'm so confused. has it occured to people, 'white' people, that they may in fact have a black face in their family tree somewhere? mebbe even not so far back?
What is instinctive is the tendency to hold those who are in your own clan in much higher regard than those who are not. Since primitive humans knew fuckall about genetics, they used superficial characteristics like skin/hair/eye color, which were reasonable proxies for the degree of genetic relatedness. The sociobiological argument is that a keystone of human evolutionary adaptation is the ability to behave cooperatively and even altruistically towards those who carry the largest proportion of one's own genes, thus leveraging the aggregate success of one's alleles, even if it is at the expense of the individual.
Our genes want to live on - thus sex, family, and racism.
racism is genetic?
i'm so confused. has it occured to people, 'white' people, that they may in fact have a black face in their family tree somewhere? mebbe even not so far back?
chicago dyke
I write as an adherent to the Selfish Gene Theory, so yes, I think racism is rooted in our genetics (as are many other behaviours).
As to genetic purity, basing any judgement on a phenotype is pretty silly (see "Bell Curve").
So in my view, until we evolve beyond fearing scarcity, there will be the tendency to tribalism and racism. It will not be eradicated - it can only be controlled, and shunned.
a powerful YouTube voice on the GOPer war mongers (start at 3:57)truth to power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h?v=5uk-
T46soz8
This year I'm budgeting to do a couple of those DNA/ancestor kits (though getting dad's side of the family may be problematic).
I don't know what I'll find, but in the articles I've read there seem to be some surprised white folks: "I have black ancestry?!"
I remember reading a story about someone who thought he was African-American did this, thinking he would find out which part of Africa his ancestors came from. It turned out he had no African ancestry at all, it was a mix of white, South Asian & Native American. Found out from a family elder that they had decided to cross over to the black community way back, because they were too dark to pass as white.
I agree with blerb,@ 12:00 p.m. I think people are underestimating the appeal of Mike Huckabee. No, he knows nothing about being president, and much less about foreign policy, but he's a Christian. There are many moderate Christians out there who are Republicans and are not evangelicals. They are looking for someone to give their votes to, without leaving the Republican Party. I think, despite the fact that the bobbleheads and leaders of the Republican Party hate him, he could get the nomination because he "acts like a Christian." I'm a Methodist, and my church is full of moderate Republicans who fell for Bush's line, feel betrayed, and would like to give their vote to another genuine Christian Republican.
There's something to that...despite the false internet cracks and earth-tone nonsense for Gore...despite the silly flip-flop crap and mockery of military service for Kerry...they still had to resort to skullduggery to put their boy over.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:08 pm
Might be harder to do that here in Ohio, the Sec of State wants paper ballots back by the November election.
This year I'm budgeting to do a couple of those DNA/ancestor kits
I like science, and I like knowing things. But I am unsure what you can gain at this point at knowing you have some DNA from Asia and some from Europe.
Levee break in Nevada -- who's in charge of getting Chimpy his flood disaster guitar?
I wish he would leave here...permanently.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:09 pm | #
a relative of mine grew up with the rocket.
report is that he always has been whacked...
Poor Vince. The guy can't catch a break even now.
What better cover for a secret assassin than for everyone to think he's dead?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...4280/249/
430969
DKos diarist describes his reaction to the NH dinner rally last night. Says Obama has the enthusiasm factor, and his supporters have big "O" signs.
No reference to Oprah intended....
I agree, hence the .
Zap Rowsdower
Sorry - I was being logical .
so, haircuts is better than the silent treatment.
chicago dyke,
"CORRECT-O-MUNDO, CHIDYKE !!!!"
/john mclaughlin
Hugh attributed today's stock market drop to the prospect of an Obama administration.
The only comment Hugh Hewitt ever made that stuck in my mind was his statement that having an office halfway up the Empire State Building put him in the forefront of the War on Terror as a possible victim of another suicide plane attack.
If you can believe and say that you've got the World explained to your satisfaction.
I'm shocked, fokowi!
You got peeps down here in the metro?
Levee break in Nevada -- who's in charge of getting Chimpy his flood disaster guitar?
P O'Neill
"Nevada? There's no water in Nevada."
Unless more Democrats turn out, they'll wind up with Republicans and independents picking their nominee for them.
Not good doctrine.
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What better cover for a secret assassin than for everyone to think he's dead?
Oy.
I'll bet it will eventually be GOOD NEWS for Giuliani though...if Romney is knocked off or seriously weakened...Huckabee won't last because we've already had a doofus and the cockier he gets the weirder he sounds...and, interestingly, it's not all the RELIGIOUS stuff! I hope he keeps Chuck Norris right there behind him (shiny white teeth and all)...
I write as an adherent to the Selfish Gene Theory, so yes, I think racism is rooted in our genetics
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People knowledgable in the science covering race and genetics knows this is a false positive idea.
No way in hell that racism is genetic. Altruism and/or mob behavior is as close as you will get on this one.
If I really wanted to genotype myself, I could do it without buying a kit.
Hugh attributed today's stock market drop to the prospect of an Obama administration.
That strikes me as a little premature.
P O'Neill | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:07 pm | #
Fuckwit Hugh is skipping past the fact that futures were up nicely until the numbers came out at 8:30 AM, EST.
~
Although one could by nature be an asshole, winning the presidency by being an asshole is all about nurture.
"Nevada? There's no water in Nevada."
GWB, 1/05/08
So in my view, until we evolve beyond fearing scarcity, there will be the tendency to tribalism and racism
Or grasp that our personal tribe includes the rest of our species.
I had a boyfriend from the Ivory Coast recently but we were too different to make it work. He liked to go out when I wanted to stay in and vice versa.
He's a great guy - very smart.
Levee break in Nevada -- who's in charge of getting Chimpy his flood disaster guitar?
Quick!! Whip up a DVD!
If I really wanted to genotype myself, I could do it without buying a kit.
blerb
NO FLIRTING!
I'm concerned that something may happen to Obama as I have less faith in this country anymore than many do...this could be a win/win for REPUGS as it would provide the wingnuts with another opportunity to blame the CLINTONS...who are, I'm pretty sure, to blame for all bad things in America, right? For the sake of his children and our integrity, I hope I am mistaken...
Gack
ChiDy: if there was a super rich and powerful african country, it would change perceptions. Race and class are so mixed, but Africa's status as doormat for the world is one of the foundations of anti-black racism.
white folks today are so proud of their "cherokee" heritage when they think they can claim it, but many (most?) would be deeply ashamed to learn they had a black ancestor.
chicago dyke, daring to belitt
Um, 'most' who trace their lines to Cherokee are well aware that Cherokees quite often owned black folks and in quite a few cases, had children with them....
.So in my view, until we evolve beyond fearing scarcity, there will be the tendency to tribalism and racism. It will not be eradicated - it can only be controlled, and shunned.
jac
The most successful strategy to overcome this tendency so far has been simply to co-opt the mechanism by using broader and broader similarities to define the "us" group. Hence nationalism. Probably wont work for the whole world, though, because there still needs to be a "them". What we need is some contact with sentient aliens. That would fix the problem for good.
Levee break in Nevada -- who's in charge of getting Chimpy his flood disaster guitar?
P O'Neill
Where's Memphis Minnie when you need her?
Mmmmm...the savory scent of the roast I put in the crock pot this morning is wafting my eager way. Time to eat!
Y'all take care of your good selves, and try not to do anything your genes wouldn't do.
I remember reading a story about someone who thought he was African-American did this, thinking he would find out which part of Africa his ancestors came from. It turned out he had no African ancestry at all, it was a mix of white, South Asian & Native American. Found out from a family elder that they had decided to cross over to the black community way back, because they were too dark to pass as white.
Karin | 01.05.08 - 12:11 pm | #
Henry Louis Gates.
There was an NYT story about a University class that did the testing and were quite surprised by the results.
Hugh attributed today's stock market drop to the prospect of an Obama administration.
actually, that makes sense to me.
zap, hinderocket is from so dak
"CORRECT-O-MUNDO, CHIDYKE !!!!" /john mclaughlin
I would very much enjoy seeing her on McLaughlin.
hinderocket is from so dak
Aaaah.
I would very much enjoy seeing her on McLaughlin.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
Or pretty much anywhere.
South Dakotastan.
I wonder if people are considering what a Huckabee presidency would entail. Keep wishing for him to get the nomination, and he just may. Then, he may win the whole thing.
Be careful what you wish for.
This year I'm budgeting to do a couple of those DNA/ancestor kits
I like science, and I like knowing things. But I am unsure what you can gain at this point at knowing you have some DNA from Asia and some from Europe.
leibniz, monadΩ | 01.05.08 - 12:12 pm
Knowledge, particularly if your family didn't/couldn't keep records.
For African-Americans, it may help determine what part of Africa.
Also may uncover some family secrets.
Plus, it's fun. It'll never tell me everything, that'd be impossible, but I'm curious.
What we need is some contact with sentient aliens. That would fix the problem for good.
I was thisclose to invoking Will Smith earlier.
"CORRECT-O-MUNDO, CHIDYKE !!!!" /john mclaughlin
I would very much enjoy seeing her on McLaughlin.
Too uppity. He prefers Clarence.
David Gregory on Timmeh's Saturday show is saying that Dems who support Obama are willing to be much more liberal and are willing to forego experience to get this.
OK--who sees Obama as "much more liberal"? Why is he seen that way? Because he's young? Black? Biracial? Uses idealistic, abstract imagery in his speeches? Bcz hs used the word "change"? If so, he has succeeded well in branding himself.
Because the voters don't really know about his legislative record and his stands on SocSec, etc.?
Oh, dear. Am I too old to catch the magic?
On this program, no discussion of Edwards. Of course.
He's a great guy - very smart.
mimi | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:15 pm | #
You, on the other hand ... do you get the racism inherent in what you said?
I'd pay to see her spank Tony Blankly and then buttfuck John.
Or pretty much anywhere.
I'm picturing Monica Crowley being made to shut her lying cakehole as the collective testes of John, Pat, and Tony make a run for the border.
South Dakotastan.
blerb
Actually, it's part of Blandistan.
at a wedding this fall, i had the pleasure to sit next to one of the rocket brothers at the reception dinner...
whole family is neo.
.OK--who sees Obama as "much more liberal"? Why is he seen that way?
Can't you see? It's written all over his skin.
GW, the cherokee in quotes is a joke. lots of black folks make fun of each other when we talk about our native heritage, because most of the time people aren't really so sure about the which nation is in their background, and just assume it's cherokee. not that you're point is invalid, indeed that nation fought on both sides of the civil war, iirc.
I'm a Methodist, and my church is full of moderate Republicans who fell for Bush's line, feel betrayed, and would like to give their vote to another genuine Christian Republican.
pol |
i'm curious, as a Christian, do you ever speak to them about the inconsistency of calling yourself a Christian and supporting today's republican party? if so, what do they say?
But I am unsure what you can gain at this point at knowing you have some DNA from Asia and some from Europe.
leibniz
Knowledge, particularly if your family didn't/couldn't keep records..
Also may uncover some family secrets.
Buckeye
I had a relative whose job entailed travel. Wherever he went, he'd open the phone book and call anyone who shared his (rather obscure) last name.
He stopped this practice abruptly, when a black voice answered the phone.
David Gregory defending the MCM, saying they have reported on Obama in detail. What could the ReThugs possibly throw at Obama that isn't already out there?
Is that guy serious? Or a Rove stalking horse? Dance partner we know about.
mimi's boyfriend was very clean and articulate.
BG, fuck you Princess.
He's my EX-boyfriend. That's how people talk about EX'es they get along with. I talk about him the way I talk about my Latino ex, or my Anglo exes.
That is not racism. That Exism.
A French speaker refers to the Cote d'Ivoire as the Ivory Coast? I do not think so.
Tom Petty to perform at the Super Bowl.
Now THATS cool.
For the debate tonight, I'm preparing a delicious 16 bean soup, homemade bread, and a redleaf, pear, pecan, bleu cheese salad.
Comfort food, ya know.
That is not racism. That Exism.
Be careful what you wish for.
Econ 102 | 01.05.08 - 12:21 pm | #
I'm still wishing that you finally take the time to off yourself.
Frankly, I can't see a downside.
chidy, i dare you to try one of my bloody mary's...
anybody else?
I was thisclose to invoking Will Smith earlier.
JeffCO
"YYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHI have GOT to get me one of THESE!"
anybody else?
Chuck one over the border, good sir!
Well..., Greenwald's writing for a publication. How do we get him a Pulitzer?
Tom Petty to perform at the Super Bowl.
Now THATS cool.
Addison
I wonder what sort of nipple jewelry he'll wear?
I'm a Methodist, and my church is full of moderate Republicans who fell for Bush's line, feel betrayed, and would like to give their vote to another genuine Christian Republican.
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Yeah, the appeal of Huckabee to those types is that he isn't a neocon, is fiscally moderate, but is still against those icky abortions and gay marraige.
I think Huckabee is a whole hell of a lot more dangerous than people realize.
Oh, dear. Am I too old to catch the magic?
I wonder the same thing about myself. I'm highly resistant to Obama, because of his cautious, centrist Senate tenure, and this message of bipartisanship for which he has few if any willing Republican partners.
I wonder how he'd respond, as the nominee, to Republican attacks: overt and, especially, coded.
Nonetheless, I was eight when JFK was elected and it was transformative for me. I wonder if there's something similar going among those under... what? Forty? Thirty?
I wonder if Rove is hiding in a cave somewhere honing his genius skills, mixing substances in glass tubes from his junior chemistry set Christmas present and doing all the MATH he uses in his smear campaigns. His absence has to be good for Republicans.
fok, that wouldn't be a good idea just now, but perhaps later.
vicki, can i come over? that sounds good, but you'll have to pack my bowl to get me to watch the debate.
zap. my favorite wedding/reception one time was in new ulm, mn...
they drink beer for fucking breakfast there.
which is nice...
I wonder what sort of nipple jewelry he'll wear?
He pierced one of his front teeth.
Fuck you too NTodd!
My ex, Philippe, isn't very articulate at all. His French was poor - he spoke Creole. His Swiss German was better than mine which I still haven't mastered, but he didn't speak High German which I do.
But he is my ex, and I feel obligated to say that he was a good guy and had good qualities.
Also may uncover some family secrets.
Buckeye
I had a relative whose job entailed travel. Wherever he went, he'd open the phone book and call anyone who shared his (rather obscure) last name.
He stopped this practice abruptly, when a black voice answered the phone.
jac | 01.05.08 - 12:24 pm
60 Minutes covered the DNA thing a couple of weeks ago. The African-American women who was featured was shocked to discover white relatives-in Missouri. But they've met and visited and seem to think it's cool.
indeed that nation fought on both sides of the civil war, iirc.
Well, by 1861, the Cherokee had already been forced marched into Indian Territory, with some few remaining in Georgia and some dropped out of the Trail of Tears into Missouri - which was of course divided.
Comfort food, ya know.
I'm trying a new Japanese-style chicken dish. Chicken simmered in water, vinegar, soy sauce, sugar, garlic, and hot red pepper until it's covered in a syrupy glaze.
On this program, no discussion of Edwards. Of course.
jawbone
The GE team is following the framing game plan. Obama, Clinton and invisible Edwards are each lit in that certain way.
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genuine Christian Republican.
Alas, this is probably a contradiction of itself.
but so far there's no evidence of McCain's 4th place showing in Iowa being good news for John McCain.
This has stopped the Villagers and their useless idiots how often?
.For the debate tonight, I'm preparing a delicious 16 bean soup, homemade bread, and a redleaf, pear, pecan, bleu cheese salad.
Comfort food, ya know.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Sounds yummy. I made about three gallons of a tuscan bean and barley-minestrone-fusion-type soup yesterday. i enden up taking like 4 hours of solid work to do it. It's delicious, but I'm not quite sure how I'm going to deal with all of it.
For the debate tonight, I'm preparing a delicious 16 bean soup, homemade bread, and a redleaf, pear, pecan, bleu cheese salad.
Comfort food, ya know.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 01.05.08 - 12:26 pm
Only 16 beans in the whole soup?
John McCain is a big time scumbag.
indeed that nation fought on both sides of the civil war, iirc.
Cherokee? Yeah. And during the American Revolution had their own civil war. And held slaves.
Not a proud moment for my peeps.
[makes note to finish incomplete tribal application he just rediscovered in a box of stuff]
fokowi,
Zapette and I were there this past summer for a weekend. What a lovely place.
We went to the Schells Brewery...the second oldest family-owned brewery in the country. Our wallpaper shows George's Ballroom.
Then, of course, there's Hermann the German...
chi dyke,
Yeah, baby, c'mon down. I haven't started the soup yet, seeing as how I just hopped out of bed.
That is not racism. That Exism.
mimi | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:25 pm | #
Yeah, you're definitely Butler. I seem to push your buttons like nobody else does, and we both know why.
As to your point, your saying that he is your EX boyfriend is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you needed to mention that someone from the Ivory Coast is very smart. Do you think anyone here is surprised by that? You seem to be.
This has stopped the Villagers and their useless idiots how often?
First Rule of The Village: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Eh? Run that by me again.
http://tinyurl.com/39zvu8
"At this blow-out fund-raiser John McCain is not scheduled to attend. Nor are Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee or Rudy Giuliani. Nope. Just Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter."
Originally found through Americablog.
I think Huckabee is a whole hell of a lot more dangerous than people realize.
I'm beginning to fear you're right. Talked with a friend of mine Thurs night and he kept on about how likeable the Huck seemed.
The smartest things about mimi's exes are that they are ex.
Genuine Republican pseudochristians.
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Yeah, blerb, that's the problem with bean soup. It makes a huge pot, even if you half the recipe.
I'm good for two or three bowls, but beyond that, I'm beaned out.
The fiber is awesome, though.
Your minestrone sounds wonderous.
pie, i've done that one and you'll like it, it's a good way to have chicken.
Nonetheless, I was eight when JFK was elected and it was transformative for me. I wonder if there's something similar going among those under... what? Forty? Thirty?
SteveLG
um, i hope you don't mean "and after he's elected he'll get shot and energize a new generation of liberals with the martry's crown" or anything like that.
honestly, i greatly fear for obama if he is the nom. my support for edwards aside, i would be so sad if yet another black leader was killed in this country. but i think that if he were the nom, racist shooters would be under every rock in every town on the campaign trail, and one could get lucky.
.OK--who sees Obama as "much more liberal"? Why is he seen that way?
Can't you see? It's written all over his skin.
blerb | 01.05.08 - 12:24 pm | #
How about you listen to a couple of his speeches. Obama is far more convincing as a progressive, to me, than Edwards.
As to your point, your saying that he is your EX boyfriend is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you needed to mention that someone from the Ivory Coast is very smart.
Yuppers.
I think Huckabee is a whole hell of a lot more dangerous than people realize.
I may be a tin-hatted cynic, but I think the GOP nominee is whoever the moneybags decree - and I see nothing yet to dissuade me that it's McCain's Bobdole moment in the sun to reward his many years of asskissing service. They know he'll lose. They also know the Dems will come in and immediately discover the coffers empty and the barbarians at the gate. They will retreat into their fortress compounds and laugh till they puke.
Talked with a friend of mine Thurs night and he kept on about how likeable the Huck seemed.
I've been reading a lot of the comments over at the blogs on The Nation's site.
The leftish folk love Huckster because he shows his true colors. Almost as much as Ron Paul.
Kinda pathetic, really.
BG, you're more of an idiot than I thought.
I liked him because as an individual he was a good guy and was intelligent. Those are the qualities I like in guys and even though he's an EX, I don't bear him any ill will and can recognize that he still has the qualities that first attracted me to him.
I would have said the same thing of any "white " ex, imbécile.
First Rule of The Village: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Snow, Liberal | 01.05.08 - 12:31 pm |
Well add "the only thing facts can do for you is complicate your story".
Why bother?
Only 16 beans in the whole soup?
Buckeye
It's hard out there for a soup.
Hey NTodd, How's the dog?
i've done that one and you'll like it, it's a good way to have chicken.
Some reviewers suggested browning the chicken first to give it better color. Is it necessary?
Mentioned this earlier, but it still boggles my mind.
The first thing out of TWeety's mouth after the Dem results came in on Thursday:
"This is bad news for Hillary. Two thirds of Iowa Dems voted against her."
The caucus results, of course, were essentially a three-way split. Thus, two of thirds of Iowa Dems voted against Obama and Edwards, as well.
So -- does Tweety think we're all so stupid we won't notice he's spinning, or is he just incredibly stupid himself, or both?
Huckabee's scares me, and he may be dangerous, but I believe that the GOP will not allow him to win the nomination.
He's the snake who bit back. Now the monster machine will take him out. Damned uppity evangelicals.
Hey NTodd, are you too much of an idiot to realize that the person talking about how white people are looking into their Cherokee heritage to join the tribe was referring to you?
I'm beginning to fear you're right. Talked with a friend of mine Thurs night and he kept on about how likeable the Huck seemed.
Toonscribe: Cartoon Liberal
M-hm.
He's a preacher and a confidence man. And a good one.
As the guy over at somethingawful.com writes:
Huckabee is your best friend that told you a few weeks ago, in strictest confidence, that he accidentally killed his girlfriend in the middle of an argument. You'll hang around him and you'll gradually forget about how he smashed in her face with a telephone. He's a fun guy, he likes to tell jokes, so you'll start laughing. Then, just as you start to come down from your laugh, you make eye contact. Then one of his crazy eyes rotates sideways like a chameleon and you have that sinking recollection that Mike Huckabee buried his girlfriend in his cellar.
Sums it up for me. Dangerous as a cobra with an explosive belt on.
I've been thinking that whoever the Dem nominee is, he or she must make a very good VP selection.
In this nation, the rightwads do have more of the guns...and I fear for the next Dem prez.
As my friend always said, if the ReThugs hadn't been able to assissinate Clinton's character, they would have assassinated him.
The smartest things about mimi's exes are that they are ex.
To be fair, eventually they were bound to figure out he wasn't a woman. To be even more fair, they kind of suspected it anyway.
Another thing that will take Huckabee down is that he let 12 hard core criminals walk.
Then, just as you start to come down from your laugh, you make eye contact. Then one of his crazy eyes rotates sideways like a chameleon and you have that sinking recollection that Mike Huckabee buried his girlfriend in his cellar.
Wow. That's............apt.
So -- does Tweety think we're all so stupid we won't notice he's spinning, or is he just incredibly stupid himself, or both?
He only stopped saying it after Rachel Maddow pointed out that he was a raging asshole for continuing to push it.
Huckabee's scares me, and he may be dangerous, but I believe that the GOP will not allow him to win the nomination.
He's the snake who bit back. Now the monster machine will take him out. Damned uppity evangelicals.
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I think that will be their initial instinct. Failing that, then they are going to try to cut a deal with him.
The smartest things about mimi's exes are that they are ex.
pie
'course... that's true for a lot of us.
I come from a town in New Jersey, that really does have a mixed race black/Native American community. Dates back to the Revolutionary War, and very insular. Until recently, they mainly intermarried among themselves.
Ramapo Mountain people
Like this kid,http://www.flickr.com/photos/9240342@N05/
1077502278/ sitting next to me in the front row in first grade. Looks like light-skinned African American, but I remember he had one blue & one green eye.
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To be fair, eventually they were bound to figure out he wasn't a woman.
mimi's Ann Coulter?
Huckabee appointing SCOTUS judges is not going to happen. I think Americans have had their fill of that shit.
At this blow-out fund-raiser John McCain is not scheduled to attend. Nor are Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee or Rudy Giuliani. Nope. Just Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter.
Because most R's will be voting in the D primary.
Frankly, I welcome them more in the general. Now - not so much.
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Huckabee's scares me, and he may be dangerous, but I believe that the GOP will not allow him to win the nomination.
Among the GOP frontrunners who would be willing to take the VP slot this time around if that was the deal from the RNC? Huckabee? Others.
Giuliani/Huckabee 08
Tough guy on terrorism/Jesus fearin' 08
i think that the overlords behind the GOP are just fine with hucksterbee; it's not like chimpy is calling the shots or setting policy except when they let him. huckster won't be any different if elevated to office; corporations will still write legislation and direct which kinds of people are in huck's gummint.
pie, i'm too goddamn lazy to brown unless i'm having company i'm trying to impress, and i can't say i've done it for that dish.
steve simels | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:35 pm | #
The fact it that it is bad news for Hillary because her Mark Penn designed campaign is all about experience and inevitability - using HHH as the template. When you run on experience in an environment where everyone is disgusted with the political establishment and you then lose an election dinging your inevitability story - what you got?
i'm curious, as a Christian, do you ever speak to them about the inconsistency of calling yourself a Christian and supporting today's republican party? if so, what do they say?
I do, and they do what they've always done before. They basically shut you out because they "don't want to talk about politics." They'll change the subject or, they'll do as my good friend did yesterday. She said, "There really isn't any difference between Democrats and Republicans." When you try to explain that there are major differences, their eyes glaze over. For the sake of friendship, you drop it.
Believe me, most of these people are so totally misinformed and they think politics is dirty, nasty business. My husband, who will vote Democratic every time but really hates politics, thinks that Hillary Clinton is a wild-eyed liberal. Believe me, I have tried my hardest to convince him otherwise, but he won't listen.
The more I see, the more I think most moderate Christians think politics IS nasty and not something a "good" person should be involved in, other than to vote. Then, they take the "knowledge" they've gotten on soundbytes on TV and radio, and they vote for the candidate that makes them feel good. If the guys says, "I'm a Christian" enough, they'll vote for him.
I'll see how lazy I'm feeling when I make it.
i think that the overlords behind the GOP are just fine with hucksterbee;
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I agree, but it is not clear that they can carry suburban voters with them. Bush could talk like trailer trash, but he was manifestly a rich white boy - so he could hold the coalition together. Huck is more trash than Clinton was.
Well, the MCMers figured out it sounds much more negative, more devastating to say someone has 2/3rds of the primary voters against him or her than to talk about a near 3-way tie.
Now, Timmeh discussing Edwards. Chuck Todd saying Edwards' problem is those like him in the media--they've seen this movie before! Decent showing in Iowa, knocked out in NH.
Now talking about Elizabeth--two times mentioning she has made additions to his comments to make points. Sounds like they're undermining him, of course. Andrea saying NH not a state which goes for a populist message, it's not the Rust Belt. Timmeh now on to how NH has elected many women to high state offices.
So, right back to Hillary! David Gregory says gender is not an issue for Hillary--toughness and experience, yes. Now he's saying Elizabeth overshadows her husband--almost in a corrective fashion (that Breck Girl is pussy whipped, ya know?).
Oh my.
I would have said the same thing of any "white " ex, imbécile.
You keep missing the point, Ms Ivory.
Chuck Todd saying this is a must-win for Obama--another state with lots of independents who can vote in either primary. Great set-up for him. If she wins, she's the Comeback Kid.
These MCMers may not like replays of the Edwards' movie, but they sure love to recycle their own talking points.
Your minestrone sounds wonderous.
Why, thank you. It has 3/4 lb. diced double-smoked bacon, a big ham hock, onions, garlic, a bunch of fresh sage, a bucjh of fresh marjoram, two quarts of chicken stock, two quarts of water, and a bottle of white wine for the broth. For beans, there's canneloni beans, black-eyed peas, chick peas, and pinto beans, but not too many beans overall. For veggies, I put carrots, celery, green beans, zucchini, cauliflower, golden beet, parsnip, celery root, cabbage, escarole, kale, and raddichio, all diced to like 1cm. On top of that, there was about 4 cups of Italian extra-big pearl barley.
The thing that really made it work well was cooking the beans and barley both separately and then rinsing them thoroughly before adding them to the main soup near the end. Often, I have had poblems with the broth tuning to library paste with all those starchy things simmering in it, but this way with some thorough skimming I was able to end up with a nearly clear, only slightly thickened broth.
Huckabee appointing SCOTUS judges is not going to happen. I think Americans have had their fill of that shit.
bill | 01.05.08 - 12:38 pm |
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One thing I learned a long time ago...
Never confuse yourself with the "American people".
Didn't the Cherokees vote last year to kick out a lot of black members?
When I went to a Native convention a few years ago (I was recruiting for a jobs program), lots of them were mocking Cherokees because apparently you can claim membership with a very small percentage of of genuine Cherokee blood. And Cherokee is apparently the favorite choice of most white people claiming Native ancestry.
Also, what the hell is the matter with Tweety and his problems with Hillary? I heard him pushing that "60 percent rejection" meme, too, and then heard either Shuster or Gregory repeat it the next day. What is the root of his dislike of her, does anyone know? He relented very briefly when she was really doing well in the polls? And why don't some of these pols take him on when he says something outrageous?
Huckabee appointing SCOTUS judges is not going to happen. I think Americans have had their fill of that shit.
bill | 01.05.08 - 12:38 pm
Alas, I fear you can fool enough of the people enough of the time....
Most don't think that much about the nominations of justices. If they did, Bush would not have come close to winning and would never had been given a second term. So, no, thinking about SCOTUS is for the politcally savvy.
You keep missing the point, Ms Ivory.
NTodd, Twat | Homepage | 01.05.08 - 12:42 pm | #
Indeed.
Also, the MCMers love themselves that John McCain 2000 movie and are working mightily to get it brought back to theaters near you. Straight Talker! Authentic! A hero for our times!
CHuck Todd saying NH is a single elimination tournament--lose in NH and they have to go home.
John McCain is a bottom feeder and a liar. He is the one of the biggest scumbags going.
Don't worry....I'll fix everything...
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No new thread, even via archives; no refresh bar or new comments since 1:11pm.
Have I been sucked into a chrono-synclastic infundibulum?
Oh, I just posted to the wrong thread.
Occam's Razor saves the day!
Mccombover could be Duncan Huntering it and the beltway bumpkins will still salivate over him
".... i would be so sad if yet another black leader was killed in this country," says chicagodyke.
so that would make what, two?
I wonder if those vaunted NH independents know about his 100 years comment?
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