'Finding consensus' as used here means, mostly, agreeing with us. Just as Republicans' idea of bipartisanship is somewhat flexible, depending on their hold on the majority and the presidency...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:07 am | #
They just want to keep the war going. They are really sick bastards.
Psychedelic Santa |
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12.20.08 - 11:07 am | #
"find consensus" = "we keep yammering until you just back down and agree"
Virginia, no, I'm working! |
12.20.08 - 11:08 am | #
There's an episode in that movie "Stand By Me" where the kids are walking along and they're arguing about who's better, Superman or Mighty Mouse, and one of the kids says it has to be Superman because "he's a real guy" and not a cartoon.
So it goes with our capitol discourse.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:08 am | #
okay, i better at least shovel the walkway to my door, just in case...
OLD, Marcellina.
Romantic OLD movies.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
i have two old movies on my amazon wishlist, 'it happened one night' and 'the philadelphia story.' i'd love to have them on dvd.
ina, cinnamon girl | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:05 am |
bye for now!
ina, cinnamon girl |
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12.20.08 - 11:08 am | #
Oh, well, OK. What ProfWombat said.
Virginia, no, I'm working! |
12.20.08 - 11:08 am | #
How about this consensus on Iraq:
"Get the fuck out"
nottin bob |
12.20.08 - 11:09 am | #
Excessive politeness can indicate fear of expressing intense hostility. It's much practiced where violence is always in danger of breaking out because of social divisions. Like in the american South.
Al |
12.20.08 - 11:10 am | #
"The Philadelphia Story" is great! Doesn't it have that great push-her-in-the-face scene?
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:10 am | #
I'd like to see the specifics of the security detail under which these 3 amigos traveled around Iraq.
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:10 am | #
The American people, in poll after poll, want the war over, the troops home. Macroeconomics, foreign policy, defense capability, basic humanity all cry out for the war to end.
And three out of four Eschaton posters agree, it would leave our laundry a much whiter white, brighten your smile and make a delicious family dinner out of a can of tuna fish. Pets like it, too...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:11 am | #
'Philadelphia Story' and 'It Happened One Night' are both great movies, with great actors, but are, er, somewhat dated with respect to their portrayal of women...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:13 am | #
The consensus the 3 wise men want would of course mean "Bush was right" and you pussy weak willed pessimists were wrong.
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:13 am | #
Saw 'It Happened One Night' fairly recently. Colbert is still gorgeous. But being carried across the water, and having her butt slapped?
ProfWombat | 12.20.08 - 11:08 am | #
And didn't she get a car to stop for them by lifting her skirt?
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:14 am | #
One of my fave old movies is "Morocco" from 1930, Cooper and Dietrich. She plays a chanteuse who, while wearing a man's top-hat and tails, kisses a female nightclub patron on the mouth.
It was almost cut by censors, but Dietrich made sure it stayed in. Compare that to all the fuss about the Madonna-Britney smooch...
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:14 am | #
people in politics would understand that
I grok that they are practicing control the image, control the frame, control the message, control the world.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
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12.20.08 - 11:14 am | #
I also predicted that McCain would try to co-opt some 'bipratisan' glory on any Obama proposals that appear to be popular but I didn't post it so I can't prove it. The first clue was when he started chiding the GOPers about Blago.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:15 am | #
And Obama forgave JoMo because....?
He's still out there working against him.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:15 am | #
Well how about it. My cliarvoyance seems to be improving. I was right about the Johnston drug bust.
Libby, limping | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:13 am | #
Oxycontin ... well, well ...
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:16 am | #
Oxycontin is worth thinking about. It's a great drug when used as designed. I used it all the time in my practice. Long duration of action, better pain relief, less total drug necessary, faster recovery, less change in consciousness. Problem is, the time-release can be defeated by the simple act of chewing it. Gives you a large dose of potent, addictive drug.
So Purdue Frederick is simultaneously to be praised for coming up with a therapeutic advance, and held responsible for not anticipating the ease and danger of its misuse...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:16 am | #
May I give you all an early Christmas present?
A sneak look at the new season of Flight of the Conchords!
Consensus is such an Iroquois thing.
NTodd, PaxLive @ 3pm Eastern |
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12.20.08 - 11:17 am | #
Marcellina if you're still here, you are so teh hawt in that outfit from downthread.
Libby, limping |
Homepage |
12.20.08 - 11:17 am | #
Great clothes in all those old movies, too ... Adrian did Hepburn's gowns in "Philadelphia Story" ...
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:17 am | #
Warren gave Obama a forum. Now Obama gives Warren a forum. The elite are protecting their own power and authority. Always was, always will.
Troutski HFM |
12.20.08 - 11:17 am | #
Well how about it. My cliarvoyance seems to be improving. I was right about the Johnston drug bust.
Libby, limping | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:13 am | #
Oxycontin ... well, well ...
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
Bristol is 'scheduled' to give birth today.
So how are the wedding plans going?
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:17 am | #
BG: yup. Gable thumbing impotently--the symbolism of the useless thumb, in an era of Freudian hegemony, is unmistakeable--and then, Colbert shows a little leg, and a car screeches to a halt to give them a lift...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:18 am | #
Oxycontin is worth thinking about. It's a great drug when used as designed. I used it all the time in my practice. Long duration of action, better pain relief, less total drug necessary, faster recovery, less change in consciousness. Problem is, the time-release can be defeated by the simple act of chewing it. Gives you a large dose of potent, addictive drug.
So Purdue Frederick is simultaneously to be praised for coming up with a therapeutic advance, and held responsible for not anticipating the ease and danger of its misuse...
ProfWombat | 12.20.08 - 11:16 am | #
I have a friend who takes it for pain ... it has made a huge difference.
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:18 am | #
I'm practically giddy over Obama's science appointments. Finally, and hopefully not too late.
noblejoanie |
12.20.08 - 11:18 am | #
noblejoanie, "this video is no longer available", it says.
Marcellina |
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12.20.08 - 11:18 am | #
Marcellina--I was able to get it but one of the commenters on that site said they were from outside the US and couldn't get it either.
noblejoanie |
12.20.08 - 11:19 am | #
Okay, now we are debating romantic movies? I just want some sweet.......aaah, forget it. Someone needs to make great new movies, I guess.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.20.08 - 11:19 am | #
I thought she was running a meth lab because of the "manufacturing" part of the charge.
Can you make other things out of oxycontin?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:19 am | #
Sarah Palin, war on drugs
If Sarah couldn't capture her own daughter's boyfriend's mother, she's not much of a drug warrior.
Lime Rickey |
12.20.08 - 11:20 am | #
They just mean everyone should agree with them.
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.20.08 - 11:20 am | #
Libby,
I think until I post something new, I will just be
Marcellina, headless torso |
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12.20.08 - 11:20 am | #
Off to do mailing-related things. I should note that I continue to be vastly entertained by the effect of Byetta and my return to normality.*
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. *Defined in my case by ectomorphy and ranginess. Welcome back, 'Stretch'!
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
12.20.08 - 11:20 am | #
... kisses a female nightclub patron on the mouth. It was almost cut by censors, but Dietrich made sure it stayed in.
Strap-on scene's in the director's cut.
A. Morphous |
12.20.08 - 11:20 am | #
I love old romantic movies too. I'm fond of Hepburn and Tracy. Woman of the Year and especially Pat and Mike. I loved the Audrey Hepburn romances as well. Sabrina I think is my favorite.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:20 am | #
And didn't she get a car to stop for them by lifting her skirt?
Indeed.
billy b |
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12.20.08 - 11:22 am | #
I don't need to blogwhore for Simels but I forgot to add the remake of Sabrina to his list of movies that never should have been remade.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:23 am | #
According to my grandparents, the REAL "scandal" was Gable in a t-shirt!
Robert Mitchum's bare-chested appearance in "Cape Fear" also raised a few eyebrows.
Marcellina, headless torso |
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12.20.08 - 11:23 am | #
what they mean by "consensus" is "agree with us".
rootless-e, complex |
12.20.08 - 11:24 am | #
I thought she was running a meth lab because of the "manufacturing" part of the charge.
Who says Americans don't make things anymore.
A. Morphous |
12.20.08 - 11:24 am | #
Libby,
I think until I post something new, I will just be
Marcellina, headless torso |
Probably a good idea. If you put a face on that torso, you'll be endlessly hounded by internet suitors. Can't be too careful these days.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:24 am | #
I think a lot of people with chronic pain do very well with long-lasting agents like oxycontin, MS Contin, and fentanyl patches; whatever maintains an even level of pain control. When used properly, they're probably safer than Tylenol.
Tolerance is an issue, but a decent pain specialist can help manage that.
Abusers will bite or crush and snort Contins. Then they get real itchy. Always scratching their arms.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:24 am | #
I loved the Audrey Hepburn romances as well. Sabrina I think is my favorite.
Libby, limping
robin and marian.
comrade nona |
12.20.08 - 11:24 am | #
Thought for the Moment
'It Happened One Night' was filmed 75 years ago!
Oh boy.
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:24 am | #
"Now is the time for the unthinkable."
Indeed.
billy b | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:22 am | #
Thinking is not a strong suite of any of the authors.
rootless-e, complex |
12.20.08 - 11:25 am | #
'It Happened One Night' was filmed 75 years ago!
We are the first generations who can watch and hear recordings of people long dead.
Marcellina, headless torso |
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12.20.08 - 11:26 am | #
Then they get real itchy. Always scratching their arms.
One of the side effects of narcotics. Along with nausea and constipation.
billy b |
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12.20.08 - 11:26 am | #
Tylenol's safer than just about anything, though it's a nasty overdose. Problem is, doesn't work that well for serious pain.
The whole point of pain management is to be proactive, try to prevent it rather than play catch-up with it, keep drug levels constant rather than fluctuating, give enough drug to manage it, while ooking for its cause and treating that. The time-release drugs, like patches or oxycontin, or the IV drips, are huge advances compared to taking pills when you have pain, then waiting half an hour for them to work...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:27 am | #
Is "Pat and Mike" the one where Spencer Tracy does his "us boys have our little tricks too" bit at the end and he literally turns on the tears?
That was one of the most amazing examples of acting I've ever seen on film.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:27 am | #
I don't need to blogwhore for Simels but I forgot to add the remake of Sabrina to his list of movies that never should have been remade.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Amen to that. The remake sucked sewage.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:28 am | #
I have to get ready for work. Later, beautiful people!
Marcellina, headless torso |
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12.20.08 - 11:28 am | #
DO note that this oped presumes a permanent occupation by a "residual force."
Over/under for me is 50,000.
Frank Luntz told me, last February, that 20,000 is what he expects from a Dem president.
jayackroyd |
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12.20.08 - 11:29 am | #
Well how about it. My cliarvoyance seems to be improving. I was right about the Johnston drug bust.
Libby, limping
Any statement yet from Gov. Palin?
I'd LOOOOOOVE to hear it.
Virginia, no, I'm working! |
12.20.08 - 11:29 am | #
We are the first generations who can watch and hear recordings of people long dead.
Marcellina, headless torso |
I recall George Carlin in the 70s joking about watching 'old movies' and wondering how many people in them were still alive.
Now the numbers must be pretty damn close to zero!
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:29 am | #
shrimplate that was Adam's Rib.
Great movie with the great Judy Holliday.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:30 am | #
I loved the Audrey Hepburn romances as well.
"Two for the Road" with Albert Finney -- one of my favorite all time movies.
Toonscribe |
12.20.08 - 11:30 am | #
May I just say it one more time --
The Al Franken Decade.
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 11:30 am | #
Oxy is an amazing drug for pain. I can't imagine abusing it. I wouldn't want to get the rush all at once myself. I like the dreamy semi-euphoria over a few hours. Yet you're still perfectly functional once you get used to it.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:31 am | #
Any statement yet from Gov. Palin?
I'd LOOOOOOVE to hear it.
Virginia, no, I'm working! |
The Governor's press office is on the record saying that the incident doesn't relate to the functions of the Governor so they will have nothing to say about it.
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:31 am | #
Let's just say that over and over and over again.... I love the sound of it.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:32 am | #
And may I also repeat that the new Will Smith mpve "Seven Pounds" has the most egregiously stupid surprise plot twist ending in the history of awfulness?
Seriously -- at the screening I attended you could hear 100 jaws drop like anvils. Before the laughter.
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 11:32 am | #
Toonscribe I loved that movie too.
Have it on DVD.
My favorite modern romantic movie is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
I cried through the whole thing.
The sure sign of a classic.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:32 am | #
Just a quick hit 'n run:
The temperature for Monday in Chicago is predicted to reach a high of 6, and a low of -7.
It's coming your way, O East Coasters.
You. Have. Been. Warned.
David Derbes, worried |
12.20.08 - 11:32 am | #
Seriously -- at the screening I attended you could hear 100 jaws drop like anvils. Before the laughter.
I'm guessing the seven pounds is a tumor in his brain and that it is played by his son.
JeffCO |
12.20.08 - 11:33 am | #
The Governor's press office is on the record saying that the incident doesn't relate to the functions of the Governor so they will have nothing to say about it.
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It's just me again! | 12.20.08 - 11:31 am | #
What I wouldn't have given to see a Palin presser about that.
"Well, the drug use gosh darn it...."
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 11:33 am | #
David: why, thank you so much. As it is, it's 15 deg F and a foot of new snow here...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:33 am | #
I have a friend who takes it for pain ... it has made a huge difference.
Brooklyn Girl, PC | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:18 am |
Friend's hubby had hip replacement surgery 3 months, he's a strong supporter of Oxy! Though he jokes he's got some left over, so if anyone has Rush's phone number, he'd like to make some extra Christmas money.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 11:33 am | #
Thinking is not a strong suite of any of the authors.
A recurring theme was "the need to put aside the differences between Republicans and Democrats that have divided us in the past".
heh.
They'll do it every time.
billy b |
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12.20.08 - 11:33 am | #
What these stooges really mean is that people should all agree with them. That's their definition of compromise. Heads I win, tails you lose.
bill |
12.20.08 - 11:34 am | #
Her people got all huffy and said there wouldn't be one.
Palin's people huffing? You're just trying to paint them in the worst light.
JeffCO |
12.20.08 - 11:34 am | #
Me, I think the differences that have divided Republicans and Democrats are mostly well worth maintaining, if not expanding...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:34 am | #
The whole point of pain management is to be proactive, try to prevent it rather than play catch-up with it, keep drug levels constant rather than fluctuating, give enough drug to manage it, while ooking for its cause and treating that. The time-release drugs, like patches or oxycontin, or the IV drips, are huge advances compared to taking pills when you have pain, then waiting half an hour for them to work...
ProfWombat | 12.20.08 - 11:27 am | #
Our 'pain guy' really wants to be as premptive as possible. He also points out that there are pts in chronic pain and that pain might possibly never be completely alleviated, but you need to manage it as well as you can.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 11:35 am | #
Tnx for the correction, HoneyBear. "Pat and Mike" was the one with the tennis-net of ever-increasing height, no?
As dated as those films are in their presentation of women, I often am impressed with how they were pushing those envelopes, and also of just how far we have not yet come.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:35 am | #
My favorite modern romantic movie is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
Not necessarily my favorite, but it was real good. And Carrey was letter-perfect, it has to be said.
I'm guessing the seven pounds is a tumor in his brain and that it is played by his son.
JeffCO | 12.20.08 - 11:33 am | #
That actually would have been less stupid than the actual movie.
I'm not kidding -- compared to this, the ending of M. Night Shamalamadingdong's "The Village" is Rosebud.
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 11:35 am | #
What I wouldn't have given to see a Palin presser about that.
"Well, the drug use gosh darn it...."
steve simels |
"Well ya know, if only Big Government would just get out of the way,
hard working patriotic Americans could get on with their lives!"
Big Government = Law Enforcement
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It's just me again! |
12.20.08 - 11:36 am | #
Me, I think the differences that have divided Republicans and Democrats are mostly well worth maintaining, if not expanding...
Haven't you heard?
It's all about the hoping and the changing.
Glennzilla had a great post about "new politics" being not so new yesterday.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:36 am | #
You're just trying to paint them in the worst light.
Buckeye: the word's getting around, but a lot of docs still underprescribe for pain. It's still relatively common to give, say, demerol every four hours as needed, when it really isn't very good past three...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:36 am | #
compared to this, the ending of M. Night Shamalamadingdong's "The Village" is Rosebud.
steve simels |
A recurring theme was "the need to put aside the differences between Republicans and Democrats that have divided us in the past".
People, people, this is supposed to be a 'appy time! Let's not quibble over 'oo stole 'ow much from 'oo, or committed war crimes, or treason....
JeffCO |
12.20.08 - 11:37 am | #
while i'm at it, (solstice eve mental inventory/finding filkertom's lost xm radio) i also owe jac a beer, NTodd $40 for an obama fund drive, a meetup with David Derbes somewhere for a drink, profwombat (yoda) for his mind blowing brilliance, atrios for not banning me for that one thing, the snorgtee chicks for, well, being snorgtee chicks, all the atrios chicks, (sigh) haloscan for not sucking lately, youtube for the ability to post a mellencamp tune now and then, and the rest of you fucking hoser's my sincere and heartfelt appreciation for putting up with me...
You ain't seen nuthin' yet.
David Derbes, worried |
12.20.08 - 11:37 am | #
Toonscribe I loved that movie too.
Have it on DVD.
My favorite modern romantic movie is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
I cried through the whole thing.
The sure sign of a classic.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:32 am
I watched Eternal Sunshine once, and then immediately had to rewatch, to 'get' everything. I loved it. My friend hated it.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 11:37 am | #
let's put those differences aside when the republicans are on the chain gang.
rootless-e, complex |
12.20.08 - 11:38 am | #
CNN:
In Jim Carrey-Will Smith battle, who wins?
billy b |
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12.20.08 - 11:38 am | #
...compared to this, the ending of M. Night Shamalamadingdong's "The Village" is Rosebud.
Seriously -- at the screening I attended you could hear 100 jaws drop like anvils. Before the laughter.
steve simels
did you read the nyt/aoscott review? it's hysterical.
'Frankly, though, I don’t see how any review could really spoil what may be among the most transcendently, eye-poppingly, call-your-friend-ranting-in-the-middle-of-the-
night-just-to-go-over-it-one-more-time crazily awful motion pictures ever made. I would tell you to go out and see it for yourself, but you might take that as a recommendation rather than a plea for corroboration. Did I really see what I thought I saw?'
The more rednecky trouble Palin has, the more popular she will become with the deranged Bush base. I for one am delighted to see her stay in the news.
Palin 2012: The Kiss Of Death
bill |
12.20.08 - 11:39 am | #
As a hospital nurse I try to medicate people not for the pain that they have, but for the pain that I don't want them to have in a couple hours.
Pre-emptive. That's the way to go. And the less time I have to stop whatever else I'm doing to medicate somebody for pain, the better, so the slow-release drugs are way okay by me.
A patient has a lot better time getting their asses out of bed, walking, coughing and deep-breathing, if their pain's under control.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:39 am | #
Friend's hubby had hip replacement surgery 3 months, he's a strong supporter of Oxy!
Wow, they didn't let me have anything except the "special" adult Tylenol when I was recovering from similar surgery...
bill buckner |
12.20.08 - 11:39 am | #
Indeed ™Dave.
Signs was stupid besides being awful.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:39 am | #
I would trot out a few more, but I gotta hoof it.
JeffCO |
12.20.08 - 11:40 am | #
comrade nona:
I love that review, and actually plan to write a tribute to it and Scott over at Box Office on Monday.
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 11:40 am | #
Buckeye: the word's getting around, but a lot of docs still underprescribe for pain. It's still relatively common to give, say, demerol every four hours as needed, when it really isn't very good past three...
ProfWombat | 12.20.08 - 11:36 am
Waay back in 1980, when I was almost 14, i had my tonsils removed. This was still when docs thought children didn't feel as much pain at that age. Mom, a nurse, knew better, and tried to get the ENT guy to give me adult tylenol/codeine, instead of the wimpy children's stuff. He wouldn't. I was in such misery for about three days.
I think if the doc's still alive, I'd like to rip his skin off, or something.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 11:40 am | #
compared to this, the ending of M. Night Shamalamadingdong's "The Village" is Rosebud.
steve simels
Being a scum who had no intention of seeing the movie I went and looked up the ending.
But I am starting to think that rather than a joke, Sarah Palin is like some sort of curse unleashed on anyone who enters her orbit and a person surrounded by an assortment of strangely dark and even criminal elements. She is also a menacing force against those whom she perceives as foes. She is like some hillbilly succubus around whom bad things tend to happen and bad people seem to gravitate.
heh...heh...heh...
billy b |
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12.20.08 - 11:41 am | #
The Governor's press office is on the record saying that the incident doesn't relate to the functions of the Governor so they will have nothing to say about it.
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It's just me again!
Buh-buh-but the President-elect couldn't be president because of his associations! How is it possible that Sarah can be governor if she runs around with drug dealers?
HUH?
Virginia, no, I'm working! |
12.20.08 - 11:41 am | #
Signs was stupid besides being awful.
I thought "The Happening" set the new bar for Shamamalamadingdong.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 11:42 am | #
The Governor's press office is on the record saying that the incident doesn't relate to the functions of the Governor so they will have nothing to say about it.
Normally you can't shut the skank up about anything at all.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 11:43 am | #
As a hospital nurse I try to medicate people not for the pain that they have, but for the pain that I don't want them to have in a couple hours.
Pre-emptive. That's the way to go. And the less time I have to stop whatever else I'm doing to medicate somebody for pain, the better, so the slow-release drugs are way okay by me.
A patient has a lot better time getting their asses out of bed, walking, coughing and deep-breathing, if their pain's under control.
shrimplate | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:39 am | #
That's what our 'pain guy' wants, we don't want you to become addicted, we want to to feel less pain, so hopefully you'll heal faster, etc. They realize pain is not enobling.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 11:43 am | #
By CHRIS CAESAR
The Orange County Register
DANA POINT – Capo Beach Calvary Church's junior high ministry director was arrested at the church this morning on suspicion of having a "sexual relationship" with a teenage female enrolled in his program.
Daniel J. Pedroza Jr., 28, of San Clemente will be charged with six felony counts, Orange County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino said.
"We received a child-abuse report from social services detailing that a minor female between the ages of 14 and 18 disclosed she had been engaged in a sexual relationship with her youth pastor," he said.
Heh. Is there any 28-year-old youth pastor who ISN'T boning his helpless charges?
Lime Rickey |
12.20.08 - 11:43 am | #
fokowi: thank you as always
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:43 am | #
Why does it snow?
It's purdy, but it makes doing stuff a little difficult.
AndyMN |
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12.20.08 - 11:44 am | #
Muntazer al-Zaidi could hardly have anticipated the extraordinary reaction when he hurled his shoes at George Bush on Sunday to protest at the invasion of Iraq. His "farewell kiss" to the US president has kept the previously unknown TV journalist in the centre of global attention - a hero across the Arab world and beyond.
Zaidi, who was wrestled to the ground by security men, was beaten on the face, investigating judge Dhia al-Kinani revealed in Baghdad yesterday. But claims that he has asked the Iraqi prime minister to forgive him for his "big ugly act" were immediately questioned by his brother.
Zaidi's emergence as a role model for anti-American resistance was confirmed by the Iranian ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, who praised what he called the "shoe intifada [uprising]" at Tehran University, where demonstrations against the "Great Satan" have been routine for 30 years.
In a mosque in Baghdad's Sadr City, Shia cleric Mohanad al-Moussawi told worshippers that "al-Zaidi's life must be protected and he must be immediately, immediately, immediately released". Sunni preachers issued similar calls.
In London, Media Workers Against the War presented a box of shoes and a letter - signatories included Tony Benn - to the US embassy, pointing out that the journalist was "guilty of nothing but expressing Iraqis' legitimate and overwhelming opposition to the US-led occupation of their country."
SCT haven't seen that one.
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12.20.08 - 11:44 am | #
My favorite scene in Pat and Mike, at least I think it was in Pat and Mike is when they're having dinner and she confesses that instead of losing her apetite when she falls in love, she gets hungry as a bear. Then she starts ordering three entrees and they look at each other across the table .... and just know.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 11:44 am | #
Doctors are much better with pain control than they were even just a decade or two ago.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:45 am | #
I thought "The Happening" set the new bar for Shamamalamadingdong.
I haven't either. Waiting for it to show up on cable, but the word of mouth was major suck-o.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 11:45 am | #
A patient has a lot better time getting their asses out of bed, walking, coughing and deep-breathing, if their pain's under control.
shrimplate | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:39 am | #
But republicans are likely to do harm when out and about, so I think any person of conscience should refuse to provide them with pain meds.
rootless-e, complex |
12.20.08 - 11:45 am | #
simels:
these two lines are priceless:
'I would tell you to go out and see it for yourself, but you might take that as a recommendation rather than a plea for corroboration. Did I really see what I thought I saw?'
I don't know who wins, but I know the odds are good that the audience will lose.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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Kinani said Zaidi's letter to prime minister Nouri al-Maliki could lead to a pardon rather than a two-year jail sentence, but Zaidi's brother Dirgham insisted in an interview with al-Jazeera that any apology could only have been written "under pressure".
If it is confirmed, Zaidi's remorse may not be appreciated by supporters such as the Egyptian who offered to marry his 20-year-old daughter to Zaidi or the Palestinian from the West Bank town of Nablus who went further: pledging both a daughter and $30,000 for the Iraqi's legal costs. A Bahraini admirer offered to buy him a luxury limousine.
It could also be a disappointment for the Saudi who reportedly said he would pay 10m riyals for the size 10 "freedom shoes." Following the old adage that success has many fathers, cobblers all over the Middle East have claimed they manufactured the loafers though most footwear in Iraq is Chinese-made. The most convincing claim came from Turkey, where manufacturer Ramazan Baydan said he might change the name of the shoe, prosaically called Model 271, to the Bush Shoe or Bye-bye Bush model. "Thanks to Bush, orders are flying in like crazy," he said. Ayatollah Jannati called for the shoes to be deposited in a museum in Iraq. But Judge al-Kinani revealed they had been destroyed by investigators trying to determine whether they contained explosives.
Liberman, McCain, Gramm need to be told that there already is a consensus & that is we get out of Iraq. Secondly, if we've done so well in stabilizing the country, well, then we can leave.
Carter |
12.20.08 - 11:46 am | #
In Jim Carrey-Will Smith battle, who wins?
If its to the death I hope they both win
bill |
12.20.08 - 11:46 am | #
In Jim Carrey-Will Smith battle, who wins?
Please let it be a battle to the death...
AndyMN |
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12.20.08 - 11:46 am | #
Will Smith has been in more than 1 watchable movie.
Jim Carrey has only been in 1.
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12.20.08 - 11:47 am | #
But republicans are likely to do harm when out and about, so I think any person of conscience should refuse to provide them with pain meds.
rootless-e, complex
But of course.
And you probably already know about my personal policy of refusing to defibrillate Republicans. It's morally offensive to me.
shrimplate |
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12.20.08 - 11:47 am | #
Because the truth is that promoting science isn’t just about providing resources – it’s about protecting free and open inquiry. It’s about ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology. It’s about listening to what our scientists have to say, even when it’s inconvenient – especially when it’s inconvenient. Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us. That will be my goal as President of the United States – and I could not have a better team to guide me in this work.
Shared Humanity |
12.20.08 - 11:48 am | #
Jim Carrey has only been in 1.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:47 am | #
Didn't like "The Truman Show"?
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:48 am | #
I thought "The Happening" set the new bar for Shamamalamadingdong.
Could somebody explain - in panel form, if necessary - the appeal of this man's ouevre? "Sixth Sense" was a decent thriller, but I have actively disliked everything since. (And still haven't forgiven the friend who RAVED to me about "Signs."
/ liberal elitist
bill buckner |
12.20.08 - 11:48 am | #
Copycat footwear hurling has apparently also begun elsewhere, with a Ukrainian nationalist, as yet unnamed, throwing his boots at an Odessa speaker arguing in favour of Nato expansion.
It has also been a busy week for the spinoff online game Sock and Awe, which lets players throw virtual brown loafers at Bush. The site says 46m cyber-shoes have struck the presidential head as of Friday afternoon.
I was part of an organization that insisted that "consensus" was the only way to go.
It was a "hippie bureaucracy" with some of the most ridiculous infighting you can imagaine before a "consensus" was released.
Actually "doing something" seemed to be what everyone was seeking to avoid, until the situation became so untenable that finally action was taken.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 11:49 am | #
BG I hated it.
Not Carrey's fault on that one though.
I hated Ed Harris' character.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:50 am | #
I don't think that I've seen an M. Light movie. That makes me feel okay.
AndyMN |
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12.20.08 - 11:50 am | #
I found 'The Village' a guilty pleasure...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:51 am | #
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
1. An Officer and a Gentleman
2. Dave
Sorry, brain freeze at #3...
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 11:51 am | #
ms fahrenheit:
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
1. The Hills Have Eyes
2. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
3. Multiple Maniacs
4. C.H.U.D. (parts I and II)
5. Ilsa She Wolf of the SS
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 11:52 am | #
*One* foot, Prof?
You ain't seen nuthin' yet.
Oh, joy. I've already begged off a friend's birthday party tonight, because it's cold and I am feeling poorly, and I just can't see driving into Cambridge. OTOH, I have plenty of food, beer, a 14-hour WWII documentary to watch, and good barbecue within "To Build A Fire" staggering distance...(Let is snow, let it snow, let it snow...)
bill buckner |
12.20.08 - 11:52 am | #
I hated Ed Harris' character.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:50 am | #
i can understand that.
And, now that I know the ending to Seven Pounds, all I can say is that Will Smith needs a talking to.
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:52 am | #
And didn't she get a car to stop for them by lifting her skirt?
Brooklyn Girl, PC
Hey, what's wrong with that.
Carter |
12.20.08 - 11:52 am | #
I hated Ed Harris' character.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Which was originally to have been Dennis Hopper.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 11:53 am | #
4. C.H.U.D. (parts I and II)
Oh, brother. I didn't know there was a part II.
AndyMN |
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12.20.08 - 11:53 am | #
My son goes to Earlham College, a Quaker school. His first week there, everyone was trained on how to arrive at consensus. All of the floors in the dorms make decisions using this. It forces groups to consider the concerns and objections of any member and address them. All of the rules governing the floors were set in the first week through consensus.
Shared Humanity |
12.20.08 - 11:53 am | #
Friend's hubby had hip replacement surgery 3 months, he's a strong supporter of Oxy! Though he jokes he's got some left over
NTodd's Pa threw out all of NTodd's Pa's Wife's leftovers. :-(
NTodd, PaxLive @ 3pm Eastern |
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12.20.08 - 11:53 am | #
You know how Jimmy Stewart's virtue was that he basically played Jimmy Stewart in his roles?
This is not a virtue for Will Smith or Jim Carey.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 11:53 am | #
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
1. The Wedding Singer
2. Four Weddings and a Funeral
3. Amelie
actually i have not watched many pure romantic movies
usually its crossed with another genre
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 11:54 am | #
1.Now, Voyager
2.Out Of Sight
3.Eternal Sunshine...
4.The Harvey Girls
5.Altered States
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:54 am | #
And, now that I know the ending to Seven Pounds, all I can say is that Will Smith needs a talking to.
"This script sucks--$15 million for the role? Ah, Hell Yeah!"
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 11:55 am | #
Steve Simels
Happy holidays. If you hear of some pasty white Pennsyltuckian taking her life by jumping off of a bridge it will be right after I watch your list.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.20.08 - 11:55 am | #
oh Out of Sight is in my top 5 list
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Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
1. The Hills Have Eyes
2. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
3. Multiple Maniacs
4. C.H.U.D. (parts I and II)
5. Ilsa She Wolf of the SS
steve simels | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:52 am |
Um ...
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 11:55 am | #
1. Reds
2. Battle of Algiers
3. 1900
4. Return of the Seacacus Seven
5. Ilse She Wolf of the SS
rootless-e, complex |
12.20.08 - 11:56 am | #
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
1. The Hills Have Eyes
I was going to go with either Boxing Helena or 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 11:56 am | #
Signs was awful. Just awful.
1. Out of Africa
2. Enchanted April
3. Casablanca
4. The Way we Were
5. Moonstruck
Jill |
12.20.08 - 11:56 am | #
After a life of spinsterhood, Setareh, an 80-year-old Iranian woman, assumed she was fated to see out her remaining days alone and was preparing to move into an old people's home for company.
When the boy-next-door from her youth suddenly reappeared and proposed, she thought her long-forgotten dreams of marriage were about to be fulfilled.
But Iran's laws require a father to grant permission to his daughter before she is allowed to marry. Now the lovestruck octogenarian has asked a court in Tehran to establish whether her father, who abandoned her when she was two, is dead or alive so that her wedding can go ahead.
The legal obstacle came to light when Setareh and her betrothed, Jamshid, tried to tie the knot at a registrar's office, only to be told the ceremony could not go ahead without either the written agreement or proof of death of her father.
It represented a cruel blow to the elderly couple, who had been childhood sweethearts but were forced to scrap plans to wed after Setareh's mother protested that it would lead to her being left alone. Reluctantly, Setareh resigned herself to living with her mother.
My son goes to Earlham College, a Quaker school. His first week there, everyone was trained on how to arrive at consensus. All of the floors in the dorms make decisions using this. It forces groups to consider the concerns and objections of any member and address them. All of the rules governing the floors were set in the first week through consensus.
In small groups consensus is easier to achieve and is preferable to majority rules. It was a part of the culture of the Haudenosaunee, too, but I wonder how much consensus you can achieve on stark issues--murder we have consensus on, but not on the death penalty, abortion, war...
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12.20.08 - 11:56 am | #
usually its crossed with another genre
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
This is true, so shall we allow lenience?
I wonder why I haven't watched many of these movies. I guess I watch life altering movies that are 'serious.' I need adjustment.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.20.08 - 11:56 am | #
John Prine doing the theme song to 'Seven Pounds'
Don't click if you don't wanna know the ending in advance, if you don't care about the movie click through and wait for the chorus!
I should note that of course a Quaker school uses consensus, since that's pretty much how Meeting is! But note there's not always consensus between Meetings...
NTodd, PaxLive @ 3pm Eastern |
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12.20.08 - 11:57 am | #
Um ...
Brooklyn Girl, PC
Speaking of people who need a talking to
Virginia, no, I'm working! |
12.20.08 - 11:58 am | #
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
Um, we found consensus a while ago about Iraq.
"Get us the hell out" was the consensus we found.
plantsman |
12.20.08 - 11:58 am | #
'Dr Zhivago'
'Sense and Sensibility'
'Moonstruck'
'Roman Holiday'
'To Have and have Not'
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 11:58 am | #
My son goes to Earlham College, a Quaker school. His first week there, everyone was trained on how to arrive at consensus. All of the floors in the dorms make decisions using this. It forces groups to consider the concerns and objections of any member and address them. All of the rules governing the floors were set in the first week through consensus.
I prefer using game theory to figure out who's going to get laid.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 11:58 am | #
ok my list
1. The Wedding Singer
2. Four Wedding and a Funeral
3. Amelie
4. Groundhog Day
5. Dr Zhivago
other notables: Out of Sight, Casablanca
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 11:59 am | #
1a. The Year of Living Dangerously.
How could I have forgotten?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 11:59 am | #
Love Actually
a Christmas romantic movie, a Richard Curtis greatest hits package lol
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
I love Groundhog Day Moon!
Jill |
12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
1. Dr Zhivago
2. The Year of Living Dangerously
3. Lost in Translation
4. Amelie
5. Casablanca
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
I am in da house
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12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
Um, we found consensus a while ago about Iraq.
"Get us the hell out" was the consensus we found.
Well, seeing at The Village is filled with pansies who have NO MOTHERFUCKING IDEA what it is to serve in uniform and get shot at, and think the entire thing is just a glorious romp through outdoors with picnics and camping, you can understand why they never wanted the fun to ever end, and rejected the consensus of everyone else who realized this was a monsterously bad idea from the getgo.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
I kind of liked "The Village" too...
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
i am making classic champagne cocktails for Clan Moonbootica tonight
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
1. Sabrina - original
2. Charade
3. Pat and Mike
4. Inside Daisy Clover
5. Il Postino
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 12:00 pm | #
good morning, bats.
Thanks for this commentary, FL.
The way I read the election, the view of these three solons was soundly rejected. They were on the WRONG side of the election and the WRONG side of history.
Want a shot at another WAPO laugher? Here is the editor emeritus with his own laughable view of Watergate and what would happen today--
Reporters working today on a story such as Watergate would be unlikely to be left relatively alone, along with their sources, for as long as Bob and Carl were. Now, from day one, the story would be all over the Internet, and hordes of reporters and bloggers would immediately join the chase. The story would become fodder for around-the-clock argument among the blowhards on cable television and the Internet. Opinion polls would be constantly stirring up and measuring the public's reaction.
So the conspiracy and the cover-up would unravel much more quickly -- and their political impact would probably be felt much sooner. Nixon was re-elected five months after the burglary in 1972, and Watergate was not much of an issue during the campaign. That would not happen today.
Like that is what happened with the illegal wiretaps, or the torture, or the rendition, or the lies about going to war and WMD and Plame.
That stuff--especially--the wiretaps was a one paper story for a long time.
peterboy |
12.20.08 - 12:01 pm | #
OK, Casablanca, Dr. Zhivago, and The Philadelphia Story to round out the five.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 12:01 pm | #
HBK - I know Mel Gibson is a total a-hole but no man in no other movie is as beautiful to look at as he was in The Year of Living Dangerously.
Jill |
12.20.08 - 12:01 pm | #
I always forget Cinema Paradiso. Always cry during that one.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 12:02 pm | #
Movies
are we talking weird foreign movies?
Uncle Blodge, Total Sap |
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12.20.08 - 12:02 pm | #
When Harry Met Sally
All the other ones I like have some other plot stuff going on:
Gone with the Wind
All About Eve
Casablanca
Rebecca
Sometimes the guy doesn't get the girl ...
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 12:02 pm | #
Eschaton favorite romantic movies from any and all eras.
"The Dead" (John Huston's last hurrah, shamefully not on DVD...)
"Annie Hall"
"The Apartment"
bill buckner |
12.20.08 - 12:03 pm | #
I just choked up and bawled my eyes out
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 12:03 pm | #
That's romantic?
rootless-e, complex
I was for me. You had to be there.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 12:03 pm | #
Friend's hubby had hip replacement surgery 3 months, he's a strong supporter of Oxy! Though he jokes he's got some left over
NTodd's Pa threw out all of NTodd's Pa's Wife's leftovers. :-(
NTodd, PaxLive @ 3pm Eastern | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 11:53 am
I still have Vicodin from my leg infection this summer. It's great for those certain times of the month.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 12:03 pm | #
I'd have to add To Catch a Thief with Grace Kelly and what's his name.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 12:03 pm | #
romantic movies?
Notting hill
I loved it
Uncle Blodge, Total Sap |
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12.20.08 - 12:04 pm | #
a Christmas romantic movie, a Richard Curtis greatest hits package lol
It's got a GREAT version of, believe it or not, Mariah Carey's "All I Want for Christmas (Is You)" on the soundtrack.
MUCH superior to her "official" version. The producers set the song at a breakneck speed and kept cracking a whip over Carey's head to force her to keep up.
Allthough, in heavily technical terms, "Triumph of the Will" qualifies as romance and weird forgeign simultaneously.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 12:04 pm | #
The "Mitch & Mickey" bit in A Mighty Wind is pretty romantic...
AndyMN |
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12.20.08 - 12:04 pm | #
Singing in the Rain
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 12:04 pm | #
Jill what I also love about that movie is that it was a love story on more than 1 level.
Linda Hunt's character was in love with Gibson's.
Michael Murphy was looking for love.
Sigourney's boss was in love with British colonialism and the way things were in the days of empire.
A great movie all around.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 12:04 pm | #
Sorry on the misspelling of "foreign" had a cat aggro problem...
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 12:04 pm | #
An Affair to Remember used to make me sob my eyes out ... the last time I saw it, I thought is was so sappy I was surprised that the trees didn't ooze.
Brooklyn Girl, PC |
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12.20.08 - 12:05 pm | #
I was for me. You had to be there.
Supreme Commander Thor | 12.20.08 - 12:03 pm | #
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Well, in that case, "Aguirre, Wrath of God" is totally romantic.
rootless-e, complex |
12.20.08 - 12:06 pm | #
Love Actually
a Christmas romantic movie, a Richard Curtis greatest hits package lol
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 12:00 pm
My male friend loved that movie, I hated it.
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 12:06 pm | #
5. The Mitchell Brothers' Sodom and Gomorrah...
I was doped up enough on flu meds the other night to actually watch "Rated X" - in which Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheen porray Jim and Artie Mitchell. Now THAT is some quality cinema!
bill buckner |
12.20.08 - 12:07 pm | #
i love Love Actually
I only put it on at Christmas time, makes me all warm and fuzzy
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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12.20.08 - 12:07 pm | #
Well, in that case, "Aguirre, Wrath of God" is totally romantic.
Actually, what could be more romantic than a guy wanting to stage an opera deep in the Amazon?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 12:07 pm | #
A great movie all around.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
It took my wife (who is Indonesian) a while before she could watch it. The first time I showed it to her she started complaining that the music in the opening was wrong for the type of puppet show being displayed.
Needless to say, it went downhill from there.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 12:07 pm | #
I'll bite:
1. Random Harvest
2. Two for the Road
3. Now Voyager
4. Casablanca
5. A many splendored Love
funlady |
12.20.08 - 12:07 pm | #
See, here's the thing about McCain:
He should KNOW BETTER than this (this "consensus on Iraq crap"), as he's a 'Nam vet.
But then again, actually being tortured didn't seem to sour him all that much to torture.
Because the man is a shithead.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 12:08 pm | #
Actually, I also liked the Misfits with Marilyn Monroe. In fact, I liked a lot of her movies. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. Seven Year Itch.
And don't flame me but I think White Christmas is really romantic and I cry every year at the end of Its a Wonderful Life.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 12:08 pm | #
Well, in that case, "Aguirre, Wrath of God" is totally romantic.
Actually, what could be more romantic than a guy wanting to stage an opera deep in the Amazon?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 12:07 pm | #
ah yes Fitzcarraldo, amazing film
me and my dad are big fans of Herzog movies
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen |
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I was doped up enough on flu meds the other night to actually watch "Rated X" - in which Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheen porray Jim and Artie Mitchell. Now THAT is some quality cinema!
Interesting Times article this morning about India's tough equivalent of Fed Reserve chairman reining in the excesses of America's system, and now India's banks remain sound:
Unlike Alan Greenspan, who didn’t believe it was his job to even point out bubbles, much less try to deflate them, Mr. Reddy saw his job as making sure Indian banks did not get too caught up in the bubble mentality. About two years ago, he started sensing that real estate, in particular, had entered bubble territory. One of the first moves he made was to ban the use of bank loans for the purchase of raw land, which was skyrocketing. Only when the developer was about to commence building could the bank get involved — and then only to make construction loans. (Guess who wound up financing the land purchases? United States private equity and hedge funds, of course!)
Then, as securitizations and derivatives gained increasing prominence in the world’s financial system, the Reserve Bank of India sharply curtailed their use in the country. When Mr. Reddy saw American banks setting up off-balance-sheet vehicles to hide debt, he essentially banned them in India. As a result, banks in India wound up holding onto the loans they made to customers. On the one hand, this meant they made fewer loans than their American counterparts because they couldn’t sell off the loans to Wall Street in securitizations. On the other hand, it meant they still had the incentive — as American banks did not — to see those loans paid back.
...Did India’s bankers stand up to applaud Mr. Reddy as he was making these moves? Of course not. They were naturally furious, just as American bankers would have been if Mr. Greenspan had been more active. Their regulator was holding them back, constraining their growth! Mr. Parekh told me that while he had been saying for some time that Indian real estate was in bubble territory, he was still unhappy with the rules imposed by Mr. Reddy. “We were critical of the central bank,” he said. “We thought these were harsh measures.”
“For a while we were wondering if we were missing out on something,” said Ms. Kochhar of Icici. Banks in the United States seemed to have come up with some magical new formula for making money: make loans that required no down payment and little in the way of verification — and post instant, short-term, profits.
As Luis Miranda, who runs a private equity firm devoted to developing India’s infrastructure, put it: “We kept wondering if they had figured out something that we were too dense to figure out. It looked like they were smart and we were stupid.” Instead, India was the smart one, and we were the stupid ones.
1. Last of the Mohicans
2. Jerry Maguire
3. Ghost
4. Titanic
5. Ilsa She Wolf of the SS
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12.20.08 - 12:12 pm | #
Coppola's Apocalypse Now reminds me a bit of Herzog's Aguirre, Wrath of God
Klaus Klinski and his mad eyes
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The money paragraph:
As we reduce the number of combat forces in Iraq, our national interests there will depend to an increasing degree on the skill of our diplomacy. That is why we urge the outgoing Bush administration to act quickly, and in coordination with the incoming Obama administration, to put in place an appropriate successor to Ambassador Ryan Crocker, who has announced his intention to leave his critical post in Baghdad early in the new year.
Ever notice how unpopular politicians latch on to corporate consensus for dear life to save their political careers. They sell their souls for anything, to their last big friend, big oil? That said, nobody should doubt that Iraq is a bono fide powder keg that could blow up at the mere signing of ANY Western Oil Contract, and we’re fresh out of a second surge capacity.
This is why Hillary as Secretary of State sucks big time, because it flys in the face of Obama's promise to withdraw troops from Iraq. Iraq is more than likely, going to nationalize it's oil resources, which is in the best interest of a real democratic Iraq, so there should be no doubt that McCain, Lieberman and Graham have any real interest in democracy in Iraq, nope, what they really want is American oil resource hegemony in compliance with Western Oil contactor greed, exclusively. This fact is so painfully obvious to most Americans and Iraqis that there is no lying to US citizens anymore about what is going here in fatal column.
Americans want out of Iraq because WE KNOW IT'S ABOUT OIL CONTROL and NOT about Democracy at all.
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12.20.08 - 12:12 pm | #
Most Romantic Movie Ever?
No contest. "Children of Paradise."
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 12:12 pm | #
Oops. me too HoneyBear.
5. Love is a Many Splendored Thing with Jennifer Jones & Will Holden
funlady |
12.20.08 - 12:12 pm | #
Shakespeare in Love
Raoul Paste |
12.20.08 - 12:12 pm | #
what i mean is in filming elements
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12.20.08 - 12:13 pm | #
I was kidding.
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12.20.08 - 12:14 pm | #
The fall in world oil prices is slashing the revenues of the US-backed regime in Iraq, forcing it to drastically reduce its projected budget for 2009. Deputy Prime Minister Barham Saleh told a recent conference in London: "The decline in oil prices has serious implications on the Iraqi economy."
As much as 90 percent of the Iraqi government budget is derived from oil revenues—despite more than five years of so-called "reconstruction" and the expenditure of tens of billions of dollars in US and Iraqi funds. Outside of employment in the military, the police and other security-related occupations and the salaries paid in the nepotistic and corrupt state apparatus, little in the way of economic activity has developed under US military occupation.
Dependence on oil sales has made Iraq extremely vulnerable to the rapid shift in global demand that has followed the worst economic contraction since the 1930s Depression. Not only has the price of oil collapsed from $US140 a barrel to a range between $40 and $50, but overall Iraqi oil exports have fallen by 25 percent from a post-invasion peak of some 2 million barrels a day to just 1.65 million barrels.
Unlike Alan Greenspan, who didn’t believe it was his job to even point out bubbles, much less try to deflate them, Mr. Reddy saw his job as making sure Indian banks did not get too caught up in the bubble mentality.
ZOMG! A central banker who actually believes in fiduciary responsiblity!
He's a fucking COMMUNIST!
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12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
I saw "Children of Paradise" back in college. Great period piece.
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12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
funlady and Mary Astor.
Like it a lot.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
I actually loved "West Side Story" but I was at a very impressionable age when it came out.
plantsman |
12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
Cuomo whining about his legacy seat going to another legatee.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 12:13 pm | #
Well, at least he's worked in the government and still does. She couldn't even be bothered to vote in half the elections since 1994 ...
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12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
The "Mitch & Mickey" bit in A Mighty Wind is pretty romantic...
AndyMN
Also the touching story of the romance between Corky and Bonnie in Guffman, although we never get to meet her
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12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
The Way We Were.
Defnitly The Way We Were.
Defnitly.
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12.20.08 - 12:15 pm | #
We also use consensus in the family. Kids and wife all agree that Dad's an ass.
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12.20.08 - 12:16 pm | #
Fuck it: "Attack of the 50ft Woman". Get more romantic than that, bitches!
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 12:16 pm | #
1. Last of the Mohicans
2. Jerry Maguire
3. Ghost
4. Titanic
5. Ilsa She Wolf of the SS
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China will send two navy destroyers and a supply vessel to the Gulf of Aden to protect merchant ships from attacks by Somali pirates, state media have said.
Chinese defence ministry spokesman Hu Changming told the Xinhua news agency that the three ships would set sail from the port of Sanya on 26 December.
Several countries have sent forces to combat the pirates, who have attacked more than 100 ships this year.
Among those still held is a Saudi oil tanker and a Ukrainian ship with tanks.
They are among 15 vessels the pirates hold for ransom.
Jerry MaGuire is cute, CoT. Only movie I ever liked Tom Cruise in, except for the one about me.
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12.20.08 - 12:19 pm | #
Fuck it: "Attack of the 50ft Woman". Get more romantic than that, bitches!
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That was a serious entry on my list. Love that movie and very romantic in its own way.
And if I was better at conveying snark, I might have mentioned Blue Lagoon.
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12.20.08 - 12:19 pm | #
2-wheel drive, bald tires. It's gonna be fun.
It's such a pretty shade of blue.
Aquamarine...like her wedding ring. Gotta buy some earrings to match. And the new PD James book.
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12.20.08 - 12:20 pm | #
Actually, I was serious, but I was talking about Tom Cruise and Cuba Gooding Jr.
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Ok then. Then you must also include Top Gun, for the volleyball scene. Very romantic.
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12.20.08 - 12:20 pm | #
I haven't seen all the films mentioned here, but I would go with Annie Hall, When Harry Met Sally, An Officer and a Gentleman, Reds, and Casablanca.
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12.20.08 - 12:20 pm | #
I've overdosed on Officer and a Gentlemen in a previous life.
I am getting ideas, thanks. I am also learning how sick some of you are.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.20.08 - 12:20 pm | #
"Radar's not looking good."
In the running for Major Understatement of the Day Award.
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12.20.08 - 12:20 pm | #
That was a serious entry on my list. Love that movie and very romantic in its own way.
I hadn't seen your entry. And I loved the movie, too, but probably in a different sort of way.
Supreme Commander Thor |
12.20.08 - 12:21 pm | #
Most Romantic Movie Ever?
No contest. "Children of Paradise."
How on earth could I forget the Cocteau "Beauty and the Beast?"
(Not to mention "Ilsa - Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks..."
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12.20.08 - 12:21 pm | #
Ok then. Then you must also include Top Gun, for the volleyball scene. Very romantic.
From 30 Rock a few weeks ago:
"You said I was gayer than the volleyball scene in Top Gun!"
AndyMN |
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12.20.08 - 12:21 pm | #
"I am also learning how sick some of you are."
I'm not sick, just twisted.
Uncle Blodge, Total Sap |
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12.20.08 - 12:22 pm | #
When Harry Met Sally
Out of Sight.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
LOTR
Buckeye .... |
12.20.08 - 12:22 pm | #
Yeah, the Twin Cities are Ground Zero in this next storm. Be vary careful.
plantsman |
12.20.08 - 12:22 pm | #
Jerry Maguire?! Ghost?!
AAAAAGHHHHHHHHH!
Buckeye .... |
Now I see the secret to trolls getting so much the attention....
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12.20.08 - 12:22 pm | #
"Crossing Delancey" was just about David (Hyde) Pierce's 1st movie after guesting as Frasier's brother on "Cheers," I think.
I went to highschool with him. He was taciturn in highschool and was/is a very good classical pianist. A lot of us thought he would go to a music conservatory.
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12.20.08 - 12:22 pm | #
AndyMN, All summer long I cried a river over $4 gas and me with an SUV. Right now at $1.70 and 4 wheel drive, life seems better.
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12.20.08 - 12:23 pm | #
Nothing with Bill Kristol in it is funny to me. He's too much of a dork to make it romantic.
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12.20.08 - 12:23 pm | #
The Piano
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12.20.08 - 12:23 pm | #
"You said I was gayer than the volleyball scene in Top Gun!"
AndyMN
I think that might the funniest episode yet.
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12.20.08 - 12:23 pm | #
Found a reference to Richard Socarides, who advised Clinton about gay/lesbian issues and is openly gay, in an article about Rick Warren. His last name was familiar to me.
His father, Charles Socarides, a psychiatrist, was among the last to treat homosexuality as a disease, claiming 'cure' of a third of them; he attributed homosexuality to controlling mothers and rejecting, distant fathers.
Re driving in MN or WI in this weather--Jesse Ventura was once asked what people did before the advent of the gas guzzling SUVs (implying we'd gotten along just fine without them) and, without missing a beat, he answered: Got stuck in the snow.
noblejoanie |
12.20.08 - 12:24 pm | #
"Alien" has some of the most unforced dialogue I've ever seen in a movie.
plantsman |
12.20.08 - 12:24 pm | #
top gun
never saw it, never will.
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12.20.08 - 12:24 pm | #
And go ahead, kill me, I'm the only human who apparently liked Vanilla Sky.
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.20.08 - 12:24 pm | #
I loved Bette Davis in "Dark Victory' also.....Plus Kate Hepburn & Spencer in "Sea of Grass..(I'm old)
funlady |
12.20.08 - 12:24 pm | #
Bridges of Madison County
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12.20.08 - 12:25 pm | #
i saw Michael Nyman at Latitude this summer
he played the score from the Piano
which was cool
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12.20.08 - 12:25 pm | #
I think that might the funniest episode yet.
Yeah...easily, the best show on network TV right now.
All summer long I cried a river over $4 gas and me with an SUV. Right now at $1.70 and 4 wheel drive, life seems better.
But. You're. In. FL. Saint Gore has failed me again.
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12.20.08 - 12:25 pm | #
Frances Sternhagen and Sean Connery in 'Outland'
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12.20.08 - 12:25 pm | #
It seems waving shoes at American embassies has become quite the hobby worldwide.
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12.20.08 - 12:25 pm | #
Out of Sight was cute. Clooney and J-Lo did have good chemistry.
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12.20.08 - 12:26 pm | #
Bonnie and Clyde
True Romance
Moonbootica, Jewelry Queen
If we're going with that genre, I liked Natural Born Killers. Nice soundtrack if I recall.
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12.20.08 - 12:26 pm | #
Did not Frances Sternhagen play Noah Wyle's grandmother on ER?
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12.20.08 - 12:26 pm | #
I'll go back to being regular old Vicki who hearteth Al Gore.
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12.20.08 - 12:27 pm | #
I hadn't seen your entry. And I loved the movie, too, but probably in a different sort of way.
Supreme Commander Thor
Probably because I didn't write it down. It was on my mental list but being limited to five, it didn't make the first cut.
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Re driving in MN or WI in this weather--Jesse Ventura was once asked what people did before the advent of the gas guzzling SUVs (implying we'd gotten along just fine without them) and, without missing a beat, he answered: Got stuck in the snow.
Heh. Sometimes, I miss Jesse.
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12.20.08 - 12:27 pm | #
And go ahead, kill me, I'm the only human who apparently liked Vanilla Sky.
Next time I see you.
Watch the original Spanish version.
Even though Penelope Cruz plays a mime in it.
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12.20.08 - 12:27 pm | #
His father, Charles Socarides, a psychiatrist, was among the last to treat homosexuality as a disease, claiming 'cure' of a third of them; he attributed homosexuality to controlling mothers and rejecting, distant fathers.
sorry isn't good enough, these greedy stupid bankers need to be tied to a cart and dragged around town
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12.20.08 - 12:29 pm | #
We can consent.
We can consent on the fact that the buscists f..... up in Iraq.
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12.20.08 - 12:29 pm | #
Ok. Guilty pleasure for me is "Chances Are" with Robert Downey Jr, Cybil Shephard, and Mary Stewart Masterson.
It's fluff, and goofy, but adorable.
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12.20.08 - 12:29 pm | #
ACtually, no snark intended, I think the most romantic movie ever made is "On the Beach."
When Gregory Peck's submarine pulls out of the harbor as Ava Gardner watches from the dock knowing that not only will she never see him again, but that they're both going to be dead in a day...
Well, let's just say the tear ducts back up.
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12.20.08 - 12:30 pm | #
Bridges of Madison County
If we can list this, then we can list
Chocolat
Capt Corelli's Mandolin
Hope Floats
I will need insulin.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.20.08 - 12:30 pm | #
Obama smacks W upside the head:
"It's time we once again put science at the top of our agenda and worked to restore America's place as the world leader in science and technology,"
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12.20.08 - 12:30 pm | #
steve: my father practiced psychiatry in NYC and knew him.
My dad was an odd fellow in many ways. He had the wrong sort of scoutmaster in rural Michigan as a kid, around the time his mother died, and hated gays all his life, yet got along quite well with people like Emory Hetrick, while loathing Socarides...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 12:30 pm | #
When Gregory Peck's submarine pulls out of the harbor
Old Yeller! Jaws! Tron! Shoah!
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.20.08 - 12:32 pm | #
Moe: couldn't be a clearer break with Bush, could it?
Among the mmore unequivocal good things about Obama, his science folk...
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 12:32 pm | #
I liked all the John Hughes movies too - whatever happened to Molly Ringwald and Eric Stoltz anyway?
Jill |
12.20.08 - 12:32 pm | #
Er. John:
You got your ass handed to you back on November 4.
Now piss off.
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12.20.08 - 12:33 pm | #
This Property is Condemned. LOVED that movie (anything with Natalie Wood I love).
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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12.20.08 - 12:33 pm | #
In Jim Carrey-Will Smith battle, who wins?
billy b
They both get on my last nerve.
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12.20.08 - 12:33 pm | #
No Silly String at the Inaugural. "Security concerns" is the "reason."
If we said Silly String was a Second Amendment right instead of a First Amendment right would we be able to carry them to the inauguration?
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12.20.08 - 12:33 pm | #
and Jersey Girl. Many people have lost faith in me because I didn't cry at that.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.20.08 - 12:33 pm | #
Old Yeller! Jaws! Tron! Shoah!
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 12:32 pm
You have to save Old Yeller for a tearjerker movie thread. To which I would add The Yearling.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 12:34 pm | #
Among the mmore unequivocal good things about Obama, his science folk...
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The guests on Science Friday were downright giddy. And trashing the Chimp mercilessly
Jill |
12.20.08 - 12:34 pm | #
Fortisgate, the growing scandal over the future of Belgian rump insurer Fortis, brought down the country's government soon after the justice minister resigned over suspected state meddling in legal decisions.
Jo Vandeurzen stood down after the court of cassation, Belgium's supreme court, said it had found "significant signs" but no hard evidence that the government had tried to influence judges ruling on the bail-out and sale of Fortis.
Within hours, prime minister Yves Leterme won a cabinet vote that the government should resign. King Albert now has to decide whether to accept the resignation.
Observers said the likely outcome would be a general election, an option few parties want amid deepening economic crisis.
Leterme's government had been accused of trying to block a court of appeal ruling to freeze the group's break-up.
Earlier, angry shareholders in Fortis, once Belgium's biggest financial services company, voted overwhelmingly to keep the business going in the desperate hope of brighter days.
The Lady and the Tramp
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12.20.08 - 12:35 pm | #
(anything with Natalie Wood I love).
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 12.20.08 - 12:33 pm
I'm a huge Natalie Wood fan myself.
Libby, limping |
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12.20.08 - 12:35 pm | #
Moe: couldn't be a clearer break with Bush, could it?
Among the mmore unequivocal good things about Obama, his science folk...
ProfWombat |
I'm gritting my teeth over the Warren thing, but I'm suspecting it's all part of a plan to announce a gigantic climate change program-- massive public works program for a renewable power grid, regulation of GHG by the EPA, etc.-- in the first weeks of the new administration. It certainly looks like that's where he's heading, anyway.
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12.20.08 - 12:36 pm | #
speaking of the tramp - "City Lights"
Culture of TrÜth |
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12.20.08 - 12:36 pm | #
Bush was harder on science than Lysenko was. Lysenko, though a horrid scientist, and subverting its agenda to politics, never dismissed it the way Bush and his ilk do.
ProfWombat |
12.20.08 - 12:36 pm | #
bye for now
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12.20.08 - 12:36 pm | #
Obama's science picks are brilliant. Thanks to those folks for being willing to serve. We're at a crossroads, hopefully not the one Woody Allen
(?) describes:
"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."
noblejoanie |
12.20.08 - 12:37 pm | #
steve: my father practiced psychiatry in NYC and knew him.
My dad was an odd fellow in many ways. He had the wrong sort of scoutmaster in rural Michigan as a kid, around the time his mother died, and hated gays all his life, yet got along quite well with people like Emory Hetrick, while loathing Socarides...
ProfWombat | 12.20.08 - 12:30 pm |
Interesting.
I seem to recall that Socarides hung around well past his sell date, still pushing the "Gays are sick, I can cure them, the rest of my colleagues are sell-outs to the the homo lobby" line well into...the 90s? I'll have to check the date....
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12.20.08 - 12:38 pm | #
I'm a huge Natalie Wood fan myself.
Watched "Love Withthe Proper Stranger" the other day. Thought many impure throughts about Ms. Wood (RIP).
bill buckner |
12.20.08 - 12:39 pm | #
Chocolat!!
excellent movie!!
watch that one with a friend - especially one who hasn't seen it before.
GREAT show
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12.20.08 - 12:43 pm | #
You know, I should have mentioned The 40 Year Old Virgin because it really is a pretty sweet romantic movie.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.20.08 - 12:47 pm | #
Just Wiki'd Socarides.
Sonofabitch hung around till 2005. What a bitter old fuck he must have been at the end....
steve simels |
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12.20.08 - 12:51 pm | #
Dream a Little Dream (1989)
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12.20.08 - 12:57 pm | #
Bridges of Madison County
O
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12.20.08 - 1:03 pm | #
We would have a consensus if they agreed to support Obama's positions on Iraq. So,if reaching a consensus is so important, what are they waiting for? They're just playing politics with other people's lives.
Urban Sombrero |
12.20.08 - 1:17 pm | #
We voted in a consensus: GTFO ASAP. Elections have consequences, or so some bastard told us a few years ago.
Rick |
12.20.08 - 1:47 pm | #
I like how at the bottom of the Post article Lieberman's affiliation is stated as "Independent Democrat". Whatever the fuck that means.
why |
12.20.08 - 2:35 pm | #
It's not a "fetishization of everyone agreeing with each other," you numbskull. It's a fetishization of Democrats putting aside their views to agree with Repukes, now that they have defeated them.
No one was fetishizing agreement when Repukes held all the cards.
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