I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Iran signed the NPT and permitted numerous IAEA inspections. The treaty permits the development and use of nuclear energy.
Israel has refused to sign the NPT
Israel has refused to permit any IAEA inspections at all.
Israel has hundreds of nuclear war heads
Israel uses cluster bombs
Israel has used chemical weapons against Palestinians
Israel has attacked Syria two times without provocation
Israel has flown over Iran air space as a threat, again without provocation
me?
Not me. 
For once, I appreciate this administration's incompetence.
b o o q
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Little Miltie's persistent.
I smell Rovian machinations...
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Cities don't plant trees that won't grow into power lines, and thwarting a tree from doing what it naturally does ends up making the tree look like hell, in my experience.
plantsman | Homepage | 07.19.08 - 3:16 pm | #
It amazes me that people (landscapers, homeowners, etc) still plant 'regular' size trees under power lines. One of our local banks did some new landscaping, and planted the nice trees on the berm. Which are under the power lines. If they moved the trees back 10 feet, closer to the building, it might have been smarter.
There's one house on my walk that has planet the miniature type trees, so they're right under the lines, but aren't going to be a threat to the lines.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 07.19.08 - 3:19 pm |
Misquote/Mistranslation/Bring Back Allawi/Where is Chalabi?
/white house
Chicken Caesar and his Assclown Posse are the Gang That Couldn't Piss Straight.
Iran Red Lines
Mother Jones has learned that a parade of high-level Israeli officials are on their way to the White House over the next two weeks to discuss Iran policy. Here's where the two countries differ on what to do next.
Laura Rozen
July 10 , 2008
While the Israeli government considers the Bush administration highly sympathetic and sensitive to its security concerns, there are growing signs that Washington and Jerusalem may be diverging in their analysis of the urgency of the threat posed by Iran's nuclear program and its defensive military preparations for countering a possible strike, and their subsequent prospective timelines for considering possible military action against Iran. While Israeli national security experts say that Israel would not act without coordinating with the US, and there are other significant factors weighing against prospective Israeli military action on Iran before the Bush term ends, there are also emerging differences between the US and Israel on the accepted intelligence over when Iran would be considered to have a nuclear breakthrough, as well as what would constitute a "redline" that would prompt military action, Washington analysts say. In addition, the US, unlike Israel, feels more deeply constrained by the considerable investment it has made in blood and treasure in stabilizing Iraq, which could be risked by the tumult that could follow military action on Iran.
http://tinyurl.com/5bml5z
You mean, it's like the intern who replies to the entire company-wide e-mail list rather than just to his best friend in Marketing?
Marcy Wheeler informs us that she didn't use the word turdblossom once in her book, which surprised her...
Next: Bush endorses Obama; Obama's numbers go into freefall.
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http://www.thenation.com/blogs/ a...tion_pass_it_on
What's next....will McStain propose legalizing rape, too?
Open season on women.
I hate this guy as much as I hate Bush.
U.S. checking possibility of pumping oil from northern Iraq to Haifa, via Jordan
By Amiram Cohen
The United States has asked Israel to check the possibility of pumping oil from Iraq to the oil refineries in Haifa. The request came in a telegram last week from a senior Pentagon official to a top Foreign Ministry official in Jerusalem
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pag...sID=0&
listScr=Y
Enjoy your cheap oil Israel.
Dayton's contracted out the tree whacking service, but they'v been busy the last 2 summers, lines are clear, though the trees look horrible now.
Yeah, FERC has put in place (via NERC) strict rules about branches. Lots of folks all over the country unhappy about tree trimming more aggressive than in the past. Our electric infrastructure is worn out and can't take even a small hit nowadays.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.19.08 - 3:17 pm
Dayton P&L actually used to trim trees, instead of line clear. They stopped doing that some 15 years ago because it was too expensive to trim. Much cheaper to whack away.
Let's try this again:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/
a...tion_pass_it_on
I posted this earlier but it is for this thread. (And I still mean it)
Journalistically, this story and the reaction to it is fascinating. Whether it is the time horizons, or the movement by Bush/MCShame to Obama's position on Afghanistan or the Maliki Government's endorsement of Obama's position: the way this is being presented to the public is telling.
If you understand what is going on and are not scared now (assuming you were not scared before) you truly are a fool.
The Dems have to make hay with this story and the way it is being spun: this is the time to WIN and to cut off the head of the hydra and cauterize the stump.
Iolus, bring me my torch.
Little Miltie's persistent.
billy b
And killfiled!
Markos just referred to the "code pink jerks". They were at Nancy Pelosi's speech.
Professor Juan Cole points out that "there is no Persian idiom to wipe something off the map."
Colorful phrases depicting the incineration of 100s of thousands or millions of people seems to be found only amongst American Christians. For example, there's Curtis "Bomb 'me back to the Stone Age" LeMay, and Dick "Prepare to go back to the Stone Age" Armitage, and that American representative who told the Taliban to either accept his carpet of gold or be carpet bombed.
Ascribing such a phrase to Ahmadinejad is just another case of American Christians projecting their own sick rotten criminality on Arab and Persian Muslims.
You mean, it's like the intern who replies to the entire company-wide e-mail list rather than just to his best friend in Marketing?
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 07.19.08 - 3:22 pm |
Exactly!
It's the "We're going to win this war in Afghanistan" part that worries me. Russia couldn't. We're not going to.
Markos just referred to the "code pink jerks
A sad case of success going to someone's head.
Markos just referred to the "code pink jerks". They were at Nancy Pelosi's speech.
racymind, in Austin
wow.
i don't know this markos (never had a need for another blog), but that seems like a pretty stupid thing to say.
Is this the prelude to throwing Maliki under the bus? Are they going to start suggesting he's an Iranian agent?
It's the "We're going to win this war in Afghanistan" part that worries me. Russia couldn't. We're not going to.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I'm fucking tired of war.
Let the people in that region solve their own problems and let's fix all the things that are wrong in/with this country.
Incoming: Bumper crop of figs.
The corporate media are a White House stenography pool. Of course reporters wouldn't find the story on their own. But since it came from the White House it must be something to report!
Must make a cat food run.
Back in a bit!
I guess Markos never watched that confrontation between Hillary and the code pink people (or maybe he did).
Must make a cat food run.
Back in a bit!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 |
it's too hot: walk. don't run. 
I was thinking about your figs and was reminded of a light mesh netting garden centers often carry that confounds birds and keeps them reliably off fruit.
Markos just referred to the "code pink jerks".
I will hurt Markos if I ever see him.
Keep in mind folks - it's Saturday, the day when the cable news media is mostly asleep.
William Schneider was just on CNN, saying in his understated way that this is pretty big stuff, clearly plays to Obama's benefit. Their anchor was actually more emphatic on how huge this is.
If this were a weekday, it would be the lead story on all the political programs. Remember, the coverage of Obama meeting with Maliki is yet to come, so that's when the major pushing of the story will be done.
Now we know for sure the "journalists" in this country depend on emails from the White House and not on any type of individual research (not that there was any doubt).
More troops to Afghanistan. Maybe Markos should re-enlist.
Markos just referred to the "code pink jerks".
Markos now believes in "civility" apparently. Someone get him a fainting couch.
plantsman
I know that I could, but I want to share w the birds. If only they'd eat a whole fig and not take two or three bites out of each one!
The NYT and WaPo better get this right in tomorrow's editions.
That's what birds do, until the figs are ripe enough.
The NYT and WaPo better get this right in tomorrow's editions.
plantsman
Corporate media spin:
"Obama now sides with White House endorsed Iraq plans."
Maliki story is still not on CNN homepage.
Honest to Goddess, Markos is more in need of a cockpunch than anyone in the blogsphere. How dare he diss Code Pink? Those women got in Condi Rice's face and waved bloody hands at her And Nancy Pelosi is a sellout and a traitor.
People like Hero Obama see OVER the horizon. They are not limited to normal vision like those of lesser individuals such as Dumbya and McStain.
Attaturk put it up early this morning before Atrios arrived.
Hecate, but they were uncivil and wearing pink.
Honest to Goddess, Markos is more in need of a cockpunch than anyone in the blogsphere. How dare he diss Code Pink?
How about if I diss them?
they behaved like idiots this morning
BTW, they were asked to go protest at the parallel "conservative" fuckup thing and they were more interested in going to get breakfast
seriously.
Hecate,
I agree with you (surprise) war is not the answer. I think that Afghanistan needs to be stabilized from the most egregious outlaw elements by the WORLD, not the United States.
We can and should contribute but I believe that we have lost out ability to lead in this effort.
And stabilization is not winning a war. Removing the threat of violence against a country's citizen is a worthy goal that should be pursued, but not by us alone and not by just killing: the world needs to rebuild that sad land into something decent for its people. (And not a Christians something decent either)
But Bush is incapable of the job.
I know that I could, but I want to share w the birds. If only they'd eat a whole fig and not take two or three bites out of each one!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
my mom has some method where she ties ribbons on branches near the fruit. i'm not sure if it scares the birds off or makes it hard for them to land. but it seems like you could do it selectively and save some figs for yourself.
Next: Bush endorses Obama; Obama's numbers go into freefall.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Probably shouldn't give them ideas. They're just desperate enough to try it.
Here are the women Markos thinks are jerks for messing up his lovefest with Nancy Pelosi. Markos needs to bite me.
Hecate, but they were uncivil and wearing pink.
their methods are counter productive
people were coming up to me and saying, "who ARE these NUTS?? what are they about"
it's become about their theatre and not about the anti war message
Here are the women Markos thinks are jerks for messing up his lovefest with Nancy Pelosi. Markos needs to bite me.
they were disrupting Al Gore
How the fuck is THAT helpful?
their methods are counter productive
I didn't see what they did, but I would think their style of protest is most effective when it's taken to hostile territory. "YearlyKos" is full of sympathizers, a less disruptive form of engagement may be more effective.
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Markos needs to bite me.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
(My doctor and friend, has a rubber stamp that someone made for him to use on the most annoying forms he gets. It says, "Bite me." You want I should have him get you one?)
i couldnt find it over at daily kos.
i guess i dont go over there often enuff to know where to find the commisar's stuff.
I didn't see what they did, but I would think their style of protest is most effective when it's taken to hostile territory. "YearlyKos" is full of sympathizers, a less disruptive form of engagement may be more effective.
puppethead | Homepage | 07.19.08 - 3:39 pm | #
yes
notice they weren't protesting the assholes across town who actually are for the war
notice they weren't protesting the assholes across town who actually are for the war
fourlegsgood, netrooted
To be fair, is there even any media at the cheetos and Mt. Dew gathering?
So Good, I had to see it again:
The White House this afternoon accidentally sent to its extensive distribution list a Reuters story headlined "Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan - magazine."
The misfire comes at an odd time for Bush foreign policy, at a time when Obama's campaign alleges the president is moving closer toward Obama's recommendations about international relations -- sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, discussing a "general time horizon" for U.S. troop withdrawal and launching talks with Iran.
my mom has some method where she ties ribbons on branches near the fruit. i'm not sure if it scares the birds off or makes it hard for them to land. but it seems like you could do it selectively and save some figs for yourself. - ina,
And there's stuff like strips of foil and pinwheels and plastic owls to put up.
Tried an owl one year. Quite a bit of brid shit on it by the end of the season. Doesn't phase starlings much, at least not in Oregon.
remember, an obama victory is a MANDATE FOR REPUBLICANS!
they're LETTING him win by PRETENDING to ruin the country. and they're letting him win by a landslide to make it look realistic.
republicans are teh smart!
To be fair, is there even any media at the cheetos and Mt. Dew gathering?
Yes.
But is that the point? to protest or to get on camera?
The silver mylar strips move so freely and the angle of reflection changes so often they seem to work for a long period of time.
To be fair, is there even any media at the cheetos and Mt. Dew gathering?
puppethead
Jonah Goldberg. You can tell who he is by the propeller beanie with the press card in the sweatband.
It's the "We're going to win this war in Afghanistan" part that worries me. Russia couldn't. We're not going to.
you know, after we totally awesomely win in Afghanistan, we should invade Russia! In the winter!!
The silver mylar strips move so freely and the angle of reflection changes so often they seem to work for a long period of time.
on code pink as well
U funny.
Well, I'm not surprised.
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centaurs are renowned for their sense of humor.
But is that the point? to protest or to get on camera?
fourlegsgood, netrooted
Protests are pointless if there's no media coverage. See: millions of anti-war marchers before Iraq invasion.
I will reserve my feelings till I have the entire story. Too little to go on so far. If they disrupted Gore's speech, it does seem particularly odd.
But. . . .
plantsman, just getting back, thanks for the information.
Obama Campaign Senior National Security Advisor, Dr. Susan Rice, in response to Prime Minister Maliki's support for Senator Obama's Iraq plan.
"Senator Obama welcomes Prime Minister Maliki's support for a 16 month timeline for the redeployment of U.S combat brigades. This presents an important opportunity to transition to Iraqi responsibility, while restoring our military and increasing our commitment to finish the fight in Afghanistan."
http://www.americablog.com/
DWD: I will reserve my feelings till I have the entire story. Too little to go on so far. If they disrupted Gore's speech, it does seem particularly odd.
NO!
You must reflexively take a stand without knowing the details!
DO IT NOW, OR BE SHUNNED!
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No problem -- I gotta remember this stuff somehow.
Protests are pointless if there's no media coverage. See: millions of anti-war marchers before Iraq invasion
there was media for that
the problem there is the people being protested didn't give a fuck how many peeps protested the war
I will reserve my feelings till I have the entire story.
I was there. They were 20 feet from me.
He ignored them, but still, it was rude.
Especially since he was never for the war.
I do wonder how McSame is gonna talk his way out of this predicament.
http://eschaconnw.blogspot.com/
2...sportation.html
it's become about their theatre and not about the anti war message
fourlegsgood, netrooted
I feel this way, too. Not that the women themselves aren't sincere, and not that they haven't played an important role in drawing attention to dissent in general during their initial wave. But outsider antics work for only so long, ya gotta organize and push for a voice inside.
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tectonic plates from Josh (sigh)
I've spent a couple hours now trying to process the probable impact of Prime Minister al Maliki's explicit endorsement of Barack Obama's 16 month timetable for withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. My first instinct is always to try not to overstate the impact of momentary developments. But I don't think it's enough to say this is a huge development. It's huger than that. In a stroke, I think, al Maliki has cut McCain off at the knees in a way I'm not sure his campaign strategy can recover from.
Consider McCain's strategy, which is all bound up with Iraq.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...ives/
204740.php
Not being in attendance, I will withhold my judgment of the Code Pink presence until - IF - Markos posts something about them.
If they were focusing on Pelosi and directly attacking her on the "off the table" mantra, then they served a clear purpose.
If, as some have said, they were just belligerent over Pelosi's presence, that's closer to anarchy.
If we're going to push for restoration of principles in the COnstitution and Bill of Rights, anarchy isn't the best way to make that case.
Hand grenades were called "potatoe mashers" in WWI, and "pineapples" in WWII. Is it just a coincidence that Obama was born in Hawaii (home of the pineapple pizza)?
And, no, wingnuts, Obama's place of birth is not in question, despite your false kerning.
It's huger than that. In a stroke, I think, al Maliki has cut McCain off at the knees in a way I'm not sure his campaign strategy can recover from.
I wonder if I should send him a binky?
Not being in attendance, I will withhold my judgment of the Code Pink presence until - IF - Markos posts something about them.
He just spoke about them in the panel I'm at.
And what? my observations aren't good enough for you?
sheesh
Ew, No -- let Cindy.
Especially since he was never for the war.
fourlegsgood, netrooted
Yes, I understand that. In fact, he has worked assiduously AGAINST the war. That is why I am confused. What could their rationale be other than being noticed?
Jeffraham Prestonian
i love you
4Lg
There are several reasons why I think that it is very helpful to have CodePink protesting Al Gore. The first has to do with pulling the discourse to the left. The right is v good with this. You won't find the righty equivalent of Markos dissing, say, Ann Coulter. They don't do this. They foster her, quote her, treat her as reasonable, invite her to speak at their conventions. The result is to yank the conversation to the right. "You think McCain's crazy? No way. Compared to Coulter, he's a liberal!" On the left, we're so afraid of losing that we go around dissing those, like Code Pink who could pull the conversation to the left.
Oddly, a decade of their behaving that way and our behaving this way has resulted in the conversation being yanked so far to the right that it's difficult to believe.
There's another reason why it's helpful to have Code Pink protesting Al Gore. I'm a huge Gore fan, but he completely fails to mention that the military is the largest user of oil from the U.S. He's great at telling individuals to use more efficient light bulbs, but, for tactical reasons, he doesn't mention the elephant in the room. It's GOOD to have him protested by Code Pink so that he can look "mainstream."
And what? my observations aren't good enough for you?
sheesh
fourlegsgood, netrooted
Sorry - didn't read your first-hand account before hitting *enter*.
It does sound like theatre.
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Just doin' m' job, ma'am.
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fourlegsgood, netrooted,
If you say it, it is good enough for me. I hope you understand that. I am NOT doubting your report at all.
You have always been great.
Yes, I understand that. In fact, he has worked assiduously AGAINST the war. That is why I am confused. What could their rationale be other than being noticed?
They were there to protest nancy, but when the talk turned to climate change, they got annoyed and got rowdy and were shown the door.
made a ruckus on the way out while Gore was trying to answer questions
Hey 4Legs, are you enjoying yourself?
And best of all, gurrlzz doan haz 2 miss u.
I think, al Maliki has cut McCain off at the knees in a way I'm not sure his campaign strategy can recover from.
First, the people have to learn about Maliki's statement. The press has so far failed to mention it.
Sorry - didn't read your first-hand account before hitting *enter*.
okay then.
UR forgiven
Why does Maliki hate Iraq?
Gaii s h e e t s
If you cut off McCain at the knees, he'll look like Hank Hill's daddy.
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Hey 4Legs, are you enjoying yourself?
I enjoyed seeing Gore this morning.
Don't have my camera cord or I'd post pics
Another smarmy prick in need of a trip to the Hague: Erik Prince, Milo Minderbinder wannabe.
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Afghanistan skies in addition to its helicopter and light transport aircraft already flying thousands of missions in theater.
According to Blackwater Worldwide CEO Erik Prince, eight Blackwater CASA 212 light transport aircraft flew 11,000 sorties in Afghanistan last year supporting 38 combat outposts over 19,000 square miles. Its aircraft transported more than 40,000 personnel and 9.5 million pounds of supplies last year.
“We moved about 40,000 passengers, and our total costs, our total invoice for that mission is about what the U.S. Air Force is paying for one new C-27,” he said.
“So the idea of outsourcing versus having government do it, that’s a pretty simple math question for me.”
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Openly gay sheets.
Jeffraham!!!
C'mon upstairs!
It's GOOD to have him protested by Code Pink so that he can look "mainstream."
I'm sorry, but that's just nutty.
Markos now believes in "civility" apparently. Someone get him a fainting couch.
puppethead
Marcos has always worn his prejudices on his sleeve. A few years back he laid into what he called the "visual world peace" types at some convention, never acknowledging the role pacifists have played in progressive politics from forever.
I have my own criticisms of Code-Pink effectiveness in given forums, but Markos can be pretty big jerk himself.
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Hecate, if you're still here - when I lived in S. Arlington, I grew brown turkey figs in big pots, and the mylar (or alum. foil strips) worked great for birds (and squirrels, which also liked to snag a fig from time to time.) Much better than pinwheels or fake owl statues. FWIW.
P.S. in the SF Bay Area, the figs have gone NUTZ - they are bending the branches down already, and they are still at least a month from ripe.
Al Gore interrupted Nancy Pelosi's accountability moment with the Netroots, with the complicity of Netroots Nation management. If ever there was an exhibition of toadying to power, it was allowing Al Gore to rescue Nancy Pelosi this morning in Austin.
Why didn't Gore get his own timeslot? Why did Gina Cooper let him save Nancy's ass?
I support Code Pink's protest of Al Gore.
Jonah Goldberg. You can tell who he is by the propeller beanie with the press card in the sweatband.
Upsidasium
Christ, they all wear that...
Jonah'll be the one in the back with the smirk, and a button reading "PULL"...
two flights up
NYTimes, proving that multipart series can make some news sense, has a series on the consumer debt trap, "and the lenders who made it possible."
I dont think it is in 12 parts.
The major news outlets are not highlighting Maliki's support for Obama's withdrawal timetable. Newspapers are burying it. Incredible.
What about the idea that such glitches aren't really accidental, and some deep sinister purpose is being attempted by them here?
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