I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Huh
Of Course.
Fucking Yale.
Elis?
"It can now truly be said that I have the best of both worlds... a Harvard education, and a Yale degree."
/JFK, on receiving an honorary doctorate from Yale.
Hey, Ferraro isn't saying anything that Toby Petzold hasn't been saying...
Boy, that Vice President position has some real winners, eh?
s h e e t s again
Back in '04, that was my objection to Dean; that he'd be our FOURTH smirking Yalie in a row.
(Despite his Yale connection, Kerry didn't quite count, having never mastered the smirk.)
Thank goodness those "Reagan Democrats" (hint hint) knew what a good ol' workin' class com'ner George W. Bush Jr was, what with his hard-scrabble life as the son of a President, elite school cheerleader, and record of using his business and family connections to ruin businesses while being subsidized by the gubmit.
Yes, thanks to the greatly calibrated and 100% correct cultural class detectors of Our Populace.
Geez. I'm a Yalie. Is Sally's more boorish than Pepe's?
I'd add the caveat, "Some of my best friends are Yalies," but the person who best personifies that is ALSO the main subject if I say, "Some of my best friends are black," so she's already done her bit in propping up my feelings of fairness, and I have to remain silent here.
May I ask what the purposes is of marvelling over the latest think a near-complete nobody said?
Hey! My brother is a Yalie and he is only occasionally boorish.
It seems to me that the Democratic Party failed to get its message across to many white voters. I won't defend what Ferraro says but she does, I believe, reflect what a rather large number of voters believe. We saw it in what Webb said when she said Appalachian voters didn't benefit from affirmative action and we see it in Ferraro's words. White voters who agree with them won't say it to pollsters but they'll certainly vote against Obama, unfortunately. Why the party hasn't been able to make them understand the foolishness of their ways is beyond me.
Hey!
Yale 81, Econ.
~
Walter Mondale went to U. of Minnesota law school.
How did he do with Reagan Democrats?
dopes
yALIES SUCK. yALE SUCKS. Sorry, just gut reaction to yale being mentioned (I went to college at a, uh, "rival" institution). (:
hilzoy:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/
2008/05/ferraro-and-rac.html
Obsidian Wings
May 31, 2008
Ferraro And Race
by hilzoy
[...] But if neither his positions, the things he says, his biography, or quite explicit assurances can reach the Reagan Democrats Ferraro imagines, then what could reach them?
Frankly, it's hard to imagine.
And what is it about Obama that makes it impossible for him to reassure Reagan Democrats, whatever he says, whatever he does, and whatever positions he holds?
Ferraro says this:"They don't identify with someone who has gone to Columbia and Harvard Law School and is married to a Princeton-Harvard Law graduate."But that can't be right: surely Reagan Democrats don't have such a finely-grained view of the distinctions between Ivy League law schools that while Obama qualifies as an elitist, someone who went to Wellesley and Yale Law School and is married to a Georgetown-Yale Law grad counts as the salt of the earth.
- - Geraldine Ferraro
- - hilzoy 11:32 AM
More hilzoy:
Ferraro And Race
by hilzoy
[...] Consider this passage from her op-ed:
"when he said in South Carolina after his victory `Our Time Has Come' they believe he is telling them that their time has passed."I went back and looked at Obama's South Carolina speech. Here's the only place in which Obama said anything about our time coming:
- - Geraldine Ferraro
"Over two weeks ago, we saw the people of Iowa proclaim that our time for change has come. But there were those who doubted this country's desire for something new - who said Iowa was a fluke not to be repeated again. Well, tonight, the cynics who believed that what began in the snows of Iowa was just an illusion were told a different story by the good people of South Carolina."The "we" whose time for change has come is not blacks, in this speech. It's all of Obama's supporters, black and white. (It's proclaimed by the people of Iowa, for heavens' sake; not the people of East Saint Louis or Newark.) But for some reason, the Reagan Democrats in Ferraro's head didn't hear it that way. [...]
- - Barack Obama
[...] As I said, I have precisely no interest in debating whether or not this is racist. Personally, I think it is. But at this point, that question has become a distraction. Whether or not Reagan Democrats, as Ferraro imagines them, qualify as racists is, to my mind, much less important than convincing them that race is playing a role in their decisions that it ought not to play. Because the consequences of their decisions for all of us, black, white, Hispanic, Asian-American, native, whoever, could be enormous.
- - hilzoy | 05.31.08 - 11:32 AM
I don't care where a candidate went to college. I don't have a problem with "the best and the brightest'. I was hoping they would know what to do. As a Clinton supporter I have to agree with Ferraro.What is meant by Reagan Democrats or white working class? Where does the resentment come from? I think it is called being forgotten. It isn't just a matter of race or gender but class(in an economic sense). Some of us haven't been to college (nor our parents either) and our kids have been failed by a lousy outdated school system too. If you haven't lived it you don't know what it is to hang by the skin of your teeth. Not all of us can be professionals, the doctors, lawyers, writers and thinkers of great thoughts. Some of us build your houses, clean your houses, mow your lawns and work in your offices.We serve you coffee,food and help you out at Home Depot. There's no trust funds here, and no back up plan. To me, that's what this election is all about. A security net for all who need it, when they need it. I work and so does my husband, and my kids too. But it looks like good-bye American Dream to us.
Rose?
Rose, how would feel if one of the major presidential candidates wrote and spoke the following words?
"Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience – as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.
Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren’t always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.
Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns – this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding."
Rose, if a major presidential candidate wrote and spoke those words, then would that make you feel?
Rose?
Duncan, c'mon.
Nevermind what this, almost-literally-a-nobody (Ferraro) said, do you really mean to suggest the Obama camp didn't pounce on and spin every comment the Clinton's, especially Bill, made in order to portray them as race-baiters, knowing they had a compliant press corps that was oh-so-eager to agree? And that in fact had an impact on this campaign, and indeed was a clear STRATEGY of the Obama campaign.
That said, Ferraro really is nut.
Just graduated from Yale last Monday (BFA! BFA!). What exactly does this have to do with Yale??
we old blues don't consider the clintons to be yalies because they only went to one of the graduate schools.
bush, on the other hand, we are forever stuck with.
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