I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
hallo
First!
rats!
does ge mean coup?
he, dammit...it's contagious
Don't forget the nukes!
No one could have predicted that an unelected dictator who took power in a military dictator...
Lotta dictatin' going on.
He's trying to show Bush how it's really done.
and yeah he means coup
Um, yeah, thanks for taking my call.
I'd just like to say that Kathleen Parker is a WATB. What do you think?
Thanks. Um, I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
Cheney is envious.
Why don't you people accept other word usements and keep forcing Atrios to structure the word 'coup' into all his posts?
an unelected dictator who took power in a military dictator
Ooooh, tell me more.
Oh, he fixed it, thanks to you bullies.
Why don't you people accept other word usements and keep forcing Atrios to structure the word 'coup' into all his posts?
NTodd, Homophone Alone
Yeah! You peoples need to learn to talk gooder.
Oh, he fixed it, thanks to you bullies.
yay bullies!
Oh, he fixed it, thanks to you bullies.
NTodd, Homophone Alone
He reads comments?
Oh, he fixed it, thanks to you bullies.
NTodd
coup you accept the coup that coup is a very coup word?
Good afternoon pedants!
kmout
Catch you patriotz laterz.
That's what we need...a dictator with SWAGGER!
You're either with George W. Musharraf or you're against him.
He reads comments?
Sinfonian
I just look at the pictures
That's what we need...a dictator with SWAGGER!
Zap Rowsdower
And a funny accent.
More porn!!!
But ts ok cos Pakistan is our ally in the so-called 'War on Terror" because thast where bin Laden is and Musharraf won't go in and get him, or something. Plus, they have nukes!
Pakistani state TV reports a new chief justice has been appointed
See what happens when you don't play along?
they are giggling about waterboarding on cnn!
We have lost our way.
coup you accept the coup that coup is a very coup word?
I'll answer that just as soon as I finish my moral masturbation.
Bhutto must be feeling all cozy.
More porn!!!
steve simels
Get thee to a Megachurch, the perviest places on Earth.
But Condi warned him not to do it!
I'm listening to Phil Ochs.
BTW -- for what it's worth, Hugo Chavez ain't much better.
I appreciate the fact that he basically rubs Bush's nose in shit just on principle, but he's looking more and more like a classic authoritarian strongman, banana republic version.
I'll answer that just as soon as I finish my moral masturbation.
NTodd
is that messy?
they are giggling about waterboarding on cnn!
Well, it's totally not a serious issue like 2yos surfing for porn.
No one could have predicted that an unelected dictator who took power in a military coup would behave just like that.
I'm surprised that anyone is surprised at all.
I'm listening to Phil Ochs.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:09 pm |
A one-issue man, alas.
Remember when Bush was running the first time and an interviewer asked him if he knew the name of the new leader of Pakistan? Bush got v. pissy and said, "NO, do you?" Course, the guy did. I was sure he'd never get elected, and he wasn't, but then Sandra Day decided that she knew better than America.
Old Man nailed it, Pakistan is OBL's "safe harbor" and Bush needs his villain kept safe.
BTW -- for what it's worth, Hugo Chavez ain't much better.
I never thought he was.
I'll answer that just as soon as I finish my moral masturbation.
NTodd
is that messy?
::matthew
It creates a moral stain on my soul, but that's about it.
I'll answer that just as soon as I finish my moral masturbation.
NTodd
What happens when you, er, uh...
BTW -- for what it's worth, Hugo Chavez ain't much better.
Chavez is Venezuela's problem, or as Cheney believes, Peru's.
We gots our own problems.
No one could have predicted that an unelected dictator who took power in a military coup would behave just like that.
I did, but nobody listens to me...
Under an arrangement brokered by the United States and Britain, Ms. Bhutto returned to Pakistan on Oct. 18 for the first time in eight years on the understanding that she would take part in elections expected early next year.
Elections won't be held because the purple inkwell ran dry.
I'd just like to say that Kathleen Parker is a WATB. What do you think?
I read that in the paper this morning.
Puke.
I am the Walruser.
Coup coup ka-choo.
Apparently Bhutto has arrive in Pakistan.
Chavez is Venezuela's problem,
But they have oil which makes him "wosre than Hitler".
Remember when Bush was running the first time and an interviewer asked him if he knew the name of the new leader of Pakistan? Bush got v. pissy and said, "NO, do you?"
YEah, he tried something like "is it General?" Like Doctor Science's first name is "Doctor." Then everybody got all indignant about how rude it was to quiz a candidate like that and besides, he's an MBA and he'll delegate and won't he learn in office anyway (once he gets those trading cards)?
BTW -- for what it's worth, Hugo Chavez ain't much better.
Chavez doesn't have nukes and Venezuela isn't a haven for Al-Queda.
I'll answer that just as soon as I finish my moral masturbation.
NTodd
What happens when you, er, uh...
Stinky
Ear wax.
I appreciate the fact that he basically rubs Bush's nose in shit just on principle, but he's looking more and more like a classic authoritarian strongman, banana republic version.
That's all they have in SA, dood. Another non-surprise.
Did you catch my post on the Stones 81 thing?
Why don't you people accept other word usements and keep forcing Atrios to structure the word 'coup' into all his posts?
NTodd, Homophone Alone
Why stop? I think it's quite a coup!
Funniest line of the article was this, from Condi: “I think it would be quite obvious that the United States wouldn’t be supportive of extra-constitutional means."
Uhmmm . . . yeah, that's . . . obvious?
they are giggling about waterboarding on cnn!
Mentioned this before, but there's a regular over at Miss Havisham's who's constantly, what's the big deal with waterboarding? I had worse shit done to me during Fraternity hazing...
Apparently, the contemporary equivalent of Animal House is Saw IV.
Apparently Bhutto has arrive in Pakistan
Arrived with a bang.
And here's what Bush said after biffing the quiz:
Bush said: ''The new Pakistani general, he's just been elected - not elected, this guy took over office. It appears this guy is going to bring stability to the country and I think that's good news for the subcontinent.''
No one would have predicted that a man with the face of Pakastani Benny Hill would be a strongman.
This is not the first time Bush has fumbled his knowledge in foreign affairs. In the past year, has called East Timorese "East Timorians", Greeks "Grecians", Kosovars "Kosovarians" and he has mixed up Slovenia and Slovakia.
Who could've anticipated that...
Bush is envious of the new dictator.
they are giggling about waterboarding on cnn!
Torture is so funny! Tee-hee!
that's good news for the subcontinent.''
Was bad news for the incontinent.
I love Grecian food
A one-issue man, alas.
Disagree.
On one album, he sings about Vietnam, the death penalty, Jeebus, unions, and the American revolution.
Chavez doesn't have nukes and Venezuela isn't a haven for Al-Queda.
Certified Mutant Enemy
Al-Queda has tentacles in every port.
that's good news for the subcontinent.''
Was bad news for the incontinent.
heh.
[wink]
This is not the first time Bush has fumbled his knowledge in foreign affairs. In the past year, has called East Timorese "East Timorians", Greeks "Grecians", Kosovars "Kosovarians" and he has mixed up Slovenia and Slovakia.
Has he called Americans Moronians yet?
He should.
She'll be arrested, as she jolly well knows she will, and call for her supporters (who are legion) to rise up.
It could end up being a slaughter if Mooshy doesn't decide to use that ever-ready helecopter out of the country.
Did you catch my post on the Stones 81 thing?
billy b | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:12 pm | #
Yeah, not sure I agree. I saw that tour, and if I remember correctly I saw the movie -- it's the one directed by Hal Ashby, right?
I didn't think they were playing particularly well, but I could be wrong...
Bush to Supreme Court, "Merci, beaucoup"
Pakistan media sez Indian army on "high alert"
On one album, he sings about Vietnam, the death penalty, Jeebus, unions, and the American revolution.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:14 pm | #
True, but he basically fell apart once the war had ended...
I didn't think they were playing particularly well, but I could be wrong...
steve simels
Strong rhythm section and entertaining front man...the rest is gravy.
This is not the first time Bush has fumbled his knowledge in foreign affairs. In the past year, has called East Timorese "East Timorians", Greeks "Grecians", Kosovars "Kosovarians" and he has mixed up Slovenia and Slovakia.
The classic was the one in which Bush was asked in an interview about the Taliban, whom he initially seemed to believe was a rock band. He played it off as just a joke...but I think we all know better.
Al-Queda has tentacles in every port.
[wingnut]
Aaaaih! Nuke Canada!
[/wingnut]
Mooshy found one supreme court justice willing to take the chief justice oath.
Al-Queda has tentacles in every port.
Al-Queda is Great Cthulhu?
Yeah, not sure I agree. I saw that tour, and if I remember correctly I saw the movie -- it's the one directed by Hal Ashby, right?
I didn't think they were playing particularly well, but I could be wrong...
The boys played too fast on that tour and the sound quality wasn't great, but to see it after all these years was nice.
Richards really had a cool stage vibe.
I'd just like to say that Kathleen Parker is a WATB. What do you think?
Oh, Jeebus, what's causing her wingnut meltdown this week? Did the cookies burn?
First joke I ever taught my youngest brother. He was 5 years old.
Q: What's a Grecian urn?
A: About a $1.50 an hour.
If there were any justice in the world, Condi would have been struck by lightning the moment she talked about how we wouldn't approve of anything extra-constitutional.
Clearly there is no such justice. Just think about all the lightning-related deaths we would have seen in the last six years if there were.
Well, it's totally not a serious issue like 2yos surfing for porn.
I'll say this again, but Atrios' last post was spot on. If someone's freaking out over the fact that their two year old might catch some porn on ye olde Intertubes, well then...
maybe that person has some serious, hang-ups about sex that cause feelings of guilt and shame. This country so needs to get over its obsession with sex. I could say more, but I'll stop now.
BTW -- for what it's worth, Hugo Chavez ain't much better.
There are two ways to look at this. One would entail you trusting our current government and media. As far as I know, Venezuela has no political prisoners in indefinite detention.
To the Chimp, "extra-constitutional" is a good thing. I mean, you have the Constitution, and that's good, and you have some extra. And that's good too...
Q: What's a Grecian urn?
Will Mary land? I dunno, Alaska.
Good thing the central front in the GWOT is in Iraq.
Ah, another marvelous success by our crack Secretary of State!
Good thing the central front in the GWOT is in Iraq.
Lime Rickey | 11.03.07 - 12:22 pm
I'm so glad that GDumbya's bestest buddies in the Near East have been shining beacons of democracy.
Do you ever have one of these days? ...
http://www.ditko.comics.org/ditk...st/
arsimreK.jpg
Koo Dey Tah, bitches.
Dont gimmie no French lip.
Oh my. This made me laugh really really hard:
http://15minutelunch.blogspot.co...were-
going.html
This blogger, Johnny Virgil, found an old 1970s JCPenney catalog in the attic and posted a ton of pictures showcasing the fantastic fashion of the era.
Seriously. You'll bust a gut.
Or, perhaps, look back fondly. I was born in the 70s, so for me it was teh fucking funny...
As far as I know, Venezuela has no political prisoners in indefinite detention.
Hedda Gobbler | 11.03.07 - 12:19 pm | #
Yet.
The direction they're moving in isn't good. I'll grant you he's got popular support, but that doesn't make what he's doing either right or democratic...There's no question he's trying to stifle dissent.
Isn't it just amazing how every single foreign policy action on the part of the Bush administration brings about the exact opposite of its stated goal? I mean, it takes a special kind of talent to fuck things up so badly. There he is, prating on and on about how Iran might get a nuke someday and MUST BE STOPPED before they destroy Israel, and now here we have Pakistan, which already has one, going down the tubes. It's not at all inconceivable that the Al Qaeda-type crazies or even OBL himself could end up with a nuke if this one plays out badly, rather than just some asshole Iranian kleptocrat clerics who really only care about their own power and wealth.
Well played, W.
Q: What's a Grecian urn?
Will Mary land? I dunno, Alaska.
MP | 11.03.07 - 12:21 pm | #
I took my wife on vacation to the Caribbean last week.
Jamaica?
No, but I tried awfully hard!!!!!
Chimpy is taking notes.
Reports coming in on BBC of gunfire in Karachi.
Yet.
The direction they're moving in isn't good. I'll grant you he's got popular support, but that doesn't make what he's doing either right or democratic...There's no question he's trying to stifle dissent.
steve simels
If you are referring to the affair with TV station, you may not have all the facts and the "facts" you have may be half truths that have been twisted and distorted.
Reports coming in on BBC of gunfire in Karachi.
That's not gunfire. It's the heels of Condi's Ferragammo's breaking off as she runs to hide her incompetent ass in shame.
but then Sandra Day decided that she knew better than America.
One of the most shameful and indefensible acts in the High Court's history.
Watch Pakistan closely for possible signs of how the neocons may try to hold onto power here. Although I think they're more likely to follow the technique employed by Slobodan Milosevic, continually creating new military actions to stay in power.
Not saying it'll work, but do we really think Cheney and the other death merchants are going to just walk away from their absolute power?
Mooshy to address nation at 2300 PST (Pakistan is +9 from eastern US, so in about an hour and a half).
Another "no one could have predicted" cross post comment from a killer Elaine Supkis post:
Bond Insurers Are Going Bankrupt Now
http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepa...omment-
88609436
I'm a residential real estate appraiser, and back in August I started feeling like a deck hand on the Titanic. "You're holding a first class ARM ticket, sir? This way to the lifeboats -- best refi now, before the undertow from sinking equities closes the window of opportunity."
After listening to the economic happy talk on the friday NewsHour, it's good to see someone cut through the BS -- not to mention using the Titanic metaphor to decipher the bloodletting to come.
No one could have predicted the BushCo lackeys would cook the books on every economic indicator at their disposal. After all, they've only been doing it since day one -- it's a complete surprise that it continues, now that the AAA sub prime mezzanine tranche purgative has worked it's way through the guts of the global financial system. I'm shocked, Shocked!!!
Now, where did I leave that life preserver?
Pakistan has always been where the shit would really hit the fan -- a precarious dictatorship that already possesses nukes and with a large radical Muslim population.
What does Hugo Chavez have to do with any of this, anyway?
That's not gunfire. It's the heels of Condi's Ferragammo's breaking off as she runs to hide her incompetent ass in shame.
res ipsa loquitur
She's in Istanbul wondering why she can't get that "5 rugs for 5 bucks" deal that Huckleberry got in Baghdad.
Or, perhaps, look back fondly. I was born in the 70s, so for me it was teh fucking funny...
TJ,
Good lord, why are you punishing me.
What does Hugo Chavez have to do with any of this, anyway?
He supports mandatory porn education for 2yos.
Benazir's flight from Dubai to Karachi never took off.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has personally intervened twice in the past four months to try to keep General Musharraf from imposing emergency rule, including telephoning him at 2 a.m. Pakistani time in August. Today, while traveling to Turkey for an Iraq security conference, she reinforced the message, saying, “I think it would be quite obvious that the United States wouldn’t be supportive of extra-constitutional means.”
Irony was too hungover to comment.
Oh, boy! Howie Kurtz on Timmeh's eponymous l'il show, talking about his tired book about tired network news.
Sorry...had to cede the computer to Zapette.
True, but he basically fell apart once the war had ended...
Because he was a drunk and depressed.
Also, being tailed by the FBI didn't help with his paranoia.
If you are referring to the affair with TV station, you may not have all the facts and the "facts" you have may be half truths that have been twisted and distorted.
Hedda Gobbler | 11.03.07 - 12:28 pm |
Yeah, okay fine. He's a great guy, and he deserves to be president forever, just like Castro.
do we really think Cheney and the other death merchants are going to just walk away from their absolute power?
puppethead | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:29 pm | #
No, but I think the capitalists may not go for it....
He supports mandatory porn education for 2yos.
Well, who among us in this patchouli patrol of lefty thinkers does not?
Did something happen in America that I missed?
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Wait...someone's defending Chavez?
Can I take a bathroom break?
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Yeah, okay fine. He's a great guy, and he deserves to be president forever, just like Castro.
steve simels
If he goes that route, which I suppose is not unlikely at this point, we can thank the Chimperor for that too, since the last attempt to get rid of him was covered with our fingerprints and thus more helpful to Chavez than to his opponents. Gotta love that Bush foreign policy doctrine. Wrong play every single time.
At least I'm not old enough to remember these gizmos called fluoroscopes they had in shoe stores. Really they were just x-ray machines. You'd stick yer feet in them so the sales staff could see how well the shoes fit.
Funny story. Turns out, the devices were mostly set to eleven, and were giving customers *way* too much rads.
There he is, prating on and on about how Iran might get a nuke someday and MUST BE STOPPED before they destroy Israel, and now here we have Pakistan, which already has one, going down the tubes.
For some reason, I'm reminded of the story were the kid brings home a report card with 3 F's and a D.
The kid's old man says, "Son, you're spending too much time on the one subject..."
Very weird -- now they're saying that Benazir is in Karachi and so far still on plane on the runway
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updat...es.asp?
id=31603
Yeah, okay fine. He's a great guy, and he deserves to be president forever, just like Castro.
steve simels
Entirely possible to say Chavez is not the worst ruler Venzuela could have right now, and that, as neocon on NPR pointed out this morning (!), democracy does not spring fulll grown from the brow of the people with purple fingers.
Chavez may run institutions that are not models of American democracy, but, again as the neocon pointed out, nobody in 200+ years has tried to copy American democratic institutions. Considering the US orchestrated coup(s?) Chavez faced, I'm willing to conceded he's got to hold on to power simply to allow Venezuela to hold on to democracy.
So maybe he is Castro, maybe he's not. There is a spectrum between Thomas Jefferson and Fidel Castro. I think Chavez is somewhere on it.
Funny story. Turns out, the devices were mostly set to eleven, and were giving customers *way* too much rads.
MP
My toenail clippings still glow.
RMJ Johnson is right!
Good lord, why are you punishing me.
ql vaginal American
Hee hee. I think my favorite was the terrycloth nightie for men.
So wait...
Chavez nationalized everything because of the threat of Americanization? He cracks down on protesters that want more channels to watch?
Not saying it'll work, but do we really think Cheney and the other death merchants are going to just walk away from their absolute power?
puppethead | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:29 pm | #
not to mention all of the investigations into their administration that will occur once they lose said power...
What does Hugo Chavez have to do with any of this, anyway?
blerb
Ask Steve. Compare those numbers with ours.
Even sticks and stones won't hurt Chavez's poll numbers
Yesterday I finally saw a full set of poll numbers on Chavez from Datos, one the polling firms with the best track record in giving accurate numbers.
Cutting to the chase, Chavez's approval rating stands at 71.1%.
That is an astounding number, especially given all the supposedly "negative" events since last December - the formation of a single party for pro-Chavez groups (PSUV), the nationalization of major companies, all the "shortages", the "closure" of RCTV (BTW, the "closed" RCTV will magically re-open tomorrow and resume spilling its bile), and the little hate fest the Venezuelan opposition had over the past month and a half. Despite all that, despite all the rocks and insults hurled at the government, its approval rating remains at 71%!
In some other numbers from the poll 53.3% of those polled think the country has improved over the past 8 years, 18.5% think things are the same, while 24.8% think things have gotten worse.
With respect to their own personal situation 49.8% say it is better, 33.4% say it has remained the same, and 15.6% say it has gotten worse.
Asked to classify the situation of the country 45.3% say it is good, 5.3% say it is excellent, 23% say it is bad, and 16.6% say it is very bad.
not to mention all of the investigations into their administration that will occur once they lose said power...
fokowi
We've never prosecuted Presidents once they were out of power.
You think we're going to start now? With people like Schumer and Feinstein in office? With people like Hillary and Obama running?
It is to laugh.
Considering the US orchestrated coup(s?) Chavez faced, I'm willing to conceded he's got to hold on to power simply to allow Venezuela to hold on to democracy.
So maybe he is Castro, maybe he's not. There is a spectrum between Thomas Jefferson and Fidel Castro. I think Chavez is somewhere on it.
Rmj, For all the Souls | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:38 pm | #
I think the jury's out too, but like I said the signs aren't good. The guy's clearly got messianic tendencies...
I have a radical idea:
Let the Venezuelan people worry about Chavez.
"What does Hugo Chavez have to do with any of this, anyway?
He supports mandatory porn education for 2yos.
NTodd, Moral Masturbator"
Me like.
Hee hee. I think my favorite was the terrycloth nightie for men.
TJ,
No, no, no
had to be the green suits
jeesh
Of course, I grew up in NYC where everyone is always dressed in the height of fashion.
MSNBC has Tim Russert on (my guide calls it The Tim Russert Show, not MTP) and he interviewed Colbert, then Howie Kurtz.
Kurtz just said that Jon Stewart started the Hillary "cackle" description and used as his example that Stewart did a tape reprise of Hillary's laugh on each of the Sunday talk shows she appeared on that long weekend.
Now, I know I heard the MCMers, especially Tweety, describing Hillary's laugh as a "cackle" prior to that weekend.
But, is Howie correct? Is Jon Stewart the source of that whole idea?
(I can't watch TDS.)
I bet "General General" could have saved a few bucks on that coup if he'd hired Blackwater.
Some people looked at those private armies in Bond movies and said "no way". Eric Prince looked at them and saw a business plan.
Let the Venezuelan people worry about Chavez.
Toonscribe
If it's one thing we should have learned from Iraq it is this
We've never prosecuted Presidents once they were out of power.
You think we're going to start now? With people like Schumer and Feinstein in office? With people like Hillary and Obama running?
Maybe we could make a citizens' arrest?
There he is, prating on and on about how Iran might get a nuke someday and MUST BE STOPPED before they destroy Israel, and now here we have Pakistan, which already has one, going down the tubes.
I can't tell you how many wingers I've run this scenario past over the years. "No way, never happen," was always the response.
Geniuses all.
Asked to classify the situation of the country 45.3% say it is good, 5.3% say it is excellent, 23% say it is bad, and 16.6% say it is very bad.
Hedda Gobbler | 11.03.07 - 12:41 pm | #
I already said he's got popular support. That doesn't make him a good guy necessarily....
Just for the record, I don't want this or any other American administratin doing a damn thing to interfere with his country...
Hero Worship [Ramesh Ponnuru]
Page 13 of the latest New Republic makes fun of various conservative pundits, including some at this magazine, for allegedly developing "man crushes" on Republican candidates. So, for example, they quote John Podhoretz: "The Republican Party is the party of strength at home and abroad and for many, Rudy Giuliani personifies that." I think I have established pretty well that I do not want to see Giuliani become president, but that he personifies strength "for many" seems to me to be indisputable. That Mitt Romney is good-looking—an observation by John J. Miller that draws TNR's ridicule—has been observed by many political commentators, whether they are for him or against him.
So you're gaga over Fred?
Asked to classify the situation of the country 45.3% say it is good, 5.3% say it is excellent, 23% say it is bad, and 16.6% say it is very bad.
Hedda Gobbler
Chavez wants to help the poor (and seems to actually be doing that). His opposition wants to run the poor deeper into the ground.
The people of Venezuela don't have a "what's the matter with Kansas?" problem. Which, in the briefest form possible, is why Chavez is popular.
Now, will he become a dictator? Could happen. But he faces an opposition determined to be dictatorial (they did, after all, fashion a military coup to unseat him, which barely failed), supported by the US, which still likes to control the countries of South America (the Monroe Doctrine lives!).
So I don't see Chavez as the worst political leader in the hemisphere.
Maybe we could make a citizens' arrest?
NTodd, Moral Masturbator
Where is Gomer Pyle when we need him?
Now, will he become a dictator? Could happen. But he faces an opposition determined to be dictatorial (they did, after all, fashion a military coup to unseat him, which barely failed), supported by the US, which still likes to control the countries of South America (the Monroe Doctrine lives!).
Seems to me to be a "damed if you do, damed if you don't" situation.
It's either him in charge, or the multinationals. I'm not sure one's better than the other...
Maybe we could make a citizens' arrest?
NTodd, Moral Masturbator | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:45 pm | # [kill]
I just wonder what's gonna happen when angry soldiers start coming home en masse. I don't know that I'd bet on Secret Service folks to protect me against someone who's made it through two or three tours in Iraq.
It's no wonder Bush wants to keep 'em over there forever.
Have there been studies of cancers in kids who used (and played with) those x-ray shoe fitting machines?
I know I thought it was the coolest way to pass time while my mother shopped in the boring parts of the department store.
Truth is, I don't really know what is going on in Venezuela but I do know one thing; I don't believe word one that comes from my "free press" or government anymore about so called "dictators" in far off, or not so far off lands. Do you? Maybe it's all propaganda from both sides but whatever Chavez is doing, some Venezuelans seem to like it and I don't think I want to send any troops down there to verify it. I'm inclined to believe the exact opposite of what Steve said. No offense, Steve. I just don't think he's as bad as they say.
It's either him in charge, or the multinationals. I'm not sure one's better than the other...
Zap Rowsdower
I'm not either; but I certainly don't want the US government worrying about it.
On that, I think most of us commenting on the subject here, agree.
No one could have predicted that an unelected dictator who took power in a military coup would behave just like that.
But, but he got 95% of the popular vote!
I saw the trailer for the new RAMBO movie yesterday.
It seems to be about Burma, but I'm not sure.
It also doesn't seem to be as mindlessly gung ho American exceptionalist as the second and third in the series.
We shall see....
I bet "General General" could have saved a few bucks on that coup if he'd hired Blackwater.
We had this discussion last night. We've been here before with the Pinkerton Agency. How can you lose, if you are given a US letter of marque to shoot anything that moves, and then bill the gummint exorbitantly?
I just wonder what's gonna happen when angry soldiers start coming home en masse. I don't know that I'd bet on Secret Service folks to protect me against someone who's made it through two or three tours in Iraq.
It's no wonder Bush wants to keep 'em over there forever.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Wonder how much Secret Service W. is going to demand when he's no longer POTUS? And Cheney, for that matter.
How do you protect the most paranoid ex-office holders in American history?
Have there been studies of cancers in kids who used (and played with) those x-ray shoe fitting machines?
I've never heard of those before -- which may explain why I do not have six toes on each foot.
Of course, I grew up in NYC where everyone is always dressed in the height of fashion.
ql vaginal American
Of course. I'm sure you and Mr. QL never wore matching cowboy-themed snap-button shirts.
I'm not either; but I certainly don't want the US government worrying about it.
As long as there is oil there, alas, they will.
Phila, my tho'ts exactly. Endless war keeps those troops that have been trashed from coming back, and shut up while they're over there too.
and Darth was in Dallas last night making sure we stay at war forever and ever and ever.
see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
I have exactly one Venezuelan friend, who currently lives down there and absolutely hates Chavez.
Doesn't mean he wants us sticking our nose in, though. Go figure!
How do you protect the most paranoid ex-office holders in American history?
Perhaps a maximum security cell in Lewisburg?
Pakistan is a net oil importer, luckily for them.
As long as there is oil there, alas, they will.
Zap Rowsdower
It really pisses 'em off when Chavez offers it to Americans cheap, so they can get through the winter.
Don't think we ever accepted much foreign aid for New Orleans, either. And they could still use it.
What a pathetic excuse for a government we have here.
No offense, Steve. I just don't think he's as bad as they say.
Hedda Gobbler | 11.03.07 - 12:48 pm |
None taken, and I'll be the first to admit my suspicions about Chavez are strictly gut. Some of his rhetoric just sets off ny Incipient Totalitarian Dictator radar..
Perhaps a maximum security cell in Lewisburg?
geor3ge | 11.03.07 - 12:51 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Why not? If you want security, you have to give up a little freedom.
Democracy!!! Smell it!!!
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I see the situation in Columbia as being a far worse thing for the hemisphere, FWIW.
The billions of dollars in drugs, the "civil war", the contra-like support the US gives the government, etc., would blow up in our face much easier than the nationalization of the oil companies in Venezuela.
Pakistani state TV reports a new chief justice has been appointed
What a wondermous idea!
The billions of dollars in drugs, the "civil war", the contra-like support the US gives the government, etc., would blow up in our face much easier than the nationalization of the oil companies in Venezuela.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:54 pm
Well, duh!
Whatever one may think of the situation in Venezuela, I think it's pretty clear it has exactly none of the frightening overtones of hat is happening in Pakistan now, so I'm still not sure why it even came up. Steve?
Who cares about Pakistan. They haven't got any good delis there anyway.
Bush is taking notes for what to do in Jan. 2009.
Perhaps a maximum security cell in Lewisburg?
Heh, that's my hometown and where I still forget to send dues to my Meeting. And apropos of nothing, Conscientious Objectors imprisoned there engaged in a hunger strike back in '44...
It's no wonder Bush wants to keep 'em over there forever.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:48 pm | #
at least then we won't have to worry about him enacting marshall law before he leaves office...
It really pisses 'em off when Chavez offers it to Americans cheap, so they can get through the winter.
Don't think we ever accepted much foreign aid for New Orleans, either. And they could still use it.
The whole situation with Chavez offering heating oil to the reservations really put the admin in a corner. Shows how much Bush, et.al, concern themselves with the native folk.
And Castro offered aid to NOLA, IIRC. But they weren't allowed to accept it.
I did enjoy the neocon on NPR this morning. Li'l Scottie asked him about Iraq: (1) poorly executed fiasco? (2) never should have happened at all, or (3) success is just around the corner?
The neocon fudged it. Said it may yet be too early to tell, but he wouldn't commit to any of the three options.
And yet Schumer and Feinstein have to vote to approve Mukasey because, after all, Bush is still President. And they don't want to be soft on terrorism. Or something.
I give up.
Pakistani state TV reports a new chief justice has been appointed
What a wondermous idea!
warondandruff
Is the old chief justice still alive?
Heh, that's my hometown and where I still forget to send dues to my Meeting.
No kidding? I went to college not 20 miles from there. My first kidney stone episode sent me to Geisinger.
I know I thought it was the coolest way to pass time while my mother shopped in the boring parts of the department store.
jawbone
I used to hide in those circular coat racks, and yell "Boo" when a shopper would come by and sort through the merchandise.
Going to the store was fun back then.
I have exactly one Venezuelan friend, who currently lives down there and absolutely hates Chavez.
Doesn't mean he wants us sticking our nose in, though. Go figure!
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Chavez is not popular with the landowning elite or upper classes. but that's probably a small percentage of the population.
Kevin Carson has had some posts about the land reform issue there.
Moonbootica posts links to his blog here from time to time.
http://mutualist.blogspot.com/20...ainst-
land.html
http://mutualist.blogspot.com/20...tch-part-
8.html
Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto is sitting on a plane at Karachi airport following a decision by the government to impose a state of emergency, a spokesman said.
"She is waiting to see if she is going to be arrested or deported," Wajid Hasan said after speaking to the former Pakistani prime minister by telephone from London.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c...how/
2515317.cms
Bush is taking notes for what to do in Jan. 2009.
Richard
You know, that's a pretty scary scenario, but I almost wish they would try it. It might be just the thing that finally drives a stake through the heart of this horror we call the modern conservative movement.
And Castro offered aid to NOLA, IIRC. But they weren't allowed to accept it.
Zap Rowsdower
He sent doctors, IIRC, who weren't allowed to enter the country.
Don't want to highlight that Cuba has better medical care for its citizens than the US.
Is the old chief justice still alive?
I was thinking of ours.
Of course. I'm sure you and Mr. QL never wore matching cowboy-themed snap-button shirts.
TJ,
Only our birthday suits match
And then, not exactly
Or is Geisinger in Danville? I can't remember anymore.
This is good news for Republicans.
No kidding? I went to college not 20 miles from there. My first kidney stone episode sent me to Geisinger.
I hear you never forget your first kidney stone.
But yeah, my folks went to Bucknell and I was born there. Indeed, that's no longer a security question for any of my online accounts...
Chavez is not popular with the landowning elite or upper classes. but that's probably a small percentage of the population.
Exactly.
Personally, I'm inclined to like anyone "Bush's Base" hates.
From the beeb:
Troops have been deployed inside state-run TV and radio stations, while independent channels have gone off air.
Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, who condemned the moves, has been replaced and is being confined to the Supreme Court with 10 other judges.
With friends like these...
Don't want to highlight that Cuba has better medical care for its citizens than the US.
Hell, Iraq had better medical care than we have--doctors from all over the ME came to Iraq to learn.
Chavez is not popular with the landowning elite or upper classes. but that's probably a small percentage of the population.
That's exactly why I've never drawn any conclusions from what this guy says. He and his family are fairly well off.
Don't want to highlight that Cuba has better medical care for its citizens than the US.
Rmj, For all the Souls
That's okay. I think Michael Moore got that information out into the public consciousness.
Anyway, this is less about Chavez and Venezuela and more about how we are still being manipulated to have unfavorable views of leaders and governments in other countries where the majority of the population in the country in question actually likes the situation. That's democracy. Sometimes it's bad for American business.
I used to hide in those circular coat racks, and yell "Boo" when a shopper would come by and sort through the merchandise.
Heh, I did that too. Only once did my parents pretend to leave without me when I refused to come out of my hiding place...
With friends like these...
Come on, man. Our enemies hate us for our freedom.
Or is Geisinger in Danville? I can't remember anymore.
geor3ge
Yes, it's in Danville.
But yeah, my folks went to Bucknell and I was born there.
I went to Susquehanna, so I may be contractually obligated to hate Bucknell. Never paid much attention to that rivalry.
so I'm still not sure why it even came up. Steve?
blerb | 11.03.07 - 12:55 pm | #
Just being an asshole, sorry.
Usually when I hijack a thread, it's with a discussion of some crappy rock band.
My bad...
It might be just the thing that finally drives a stake through the heart of this horror we call the modern conservative movement.
blerb | 11.03.07 - 12:57 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
You're not intimidated by the idea of Goldberg, Ponnuru, and Reynolds manning the barricades?
bush:
"I dictate. I'm the dictator."
Yes, it's in Danville.
Dr. Wu
Well, it was sixteen years ago and I was on morphine. Geography wasn't on my mind at the time.
And yet Schumer and Feinstein have to vote to approve Mukasey because, after all, Bush is still President. And they don't want to be soft on terrorism. Or something.
I give up.
Rmj, For all the Souls | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:56 pm | #
doesn't matter who they approve or don't approve. ain't nothing gonna change until jan 09. no investigations, no oversight, no nothin'...
it fucking sucks... but, patience is a virtue.
Anyway, this is less about Chavez and Venezuela and more about how we are still being manipulated to have unfavorable views of leaders and governments in other countries where the majority of the population in the country in question actually likes the situation.
Maybe.
But I've got a huge problem with a leader that thinks any street demonstration needs to be met with force.
Washington, Caracas, or Rangoon.
NTodd, I tried to x-post to your faggy blog, and it wouldn't let me publish 'cause I'm a "junior author."
I spent weeks digging up stories and facts that seemed to tell the exact opposite of what our corporate media, think tanks and State dept. were all saying about Chavez and the situation in Venezuela. I'm skeptical but more skeptical of the bad press he gets here.
Mooshy-Moosh proclamation -- full text
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updat...es.asp?
id=31605
NTodd, I tried to x-post to your faggy blog, and it wouldn't let me publish 'cause I'm a "junior author."
Oh, you should be a guest author. I'll change that, you faggy fag mayor of fagville.
You're not intimidated by the idea of Goldberg, Ponnuru, and Reynolds manning the barricades?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:01 pm | #
Think the end of "Duck Soup."
With Goldberg, Ponnuru and Reynolds as Margaret Dumont...
I spent weeks digging up stories and facts that seemed to tell the exact opposite of what our corporate media, think tanks and State dept. were all saying about Chavez and the situation in Venezuela. I'm skeptical but more skeptical of the bad press he gets here.
Based on his teevee appearances, he seems to suffer a bit from Bush-style megalomania and foot-in-mouth disease.
I think President Bush should do the same thing over here, just to show you liberals who think he's a moron and incompetent and lazy and a deserter and corrupt and immoral and a liar and screws Condi and is bisexual and... and...and...and...
You're not intimidated by the idea of Goldberg, Ponnuru, and Reynolds manning the barricades?
Goldberg is obviously the brains of the operation.
I hereby order and proclaim that the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan shall remain in abeyance.
Man...
doesn't matter who they approve or don't approve. ain't nothing gonna change until jan 09. no investigations, no oversight, no nothin'...
Which is why they could make a stand and refuse to confirm any nominee. He's not going to reshape the DoJ and sweep out corruption, so at least withdraw consent and make Bush own it all.
You're not intimidated by the idea of Goldberg, Ponnuru, and Reynolds manning the barricades?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
I'd consider it a great personal honor to deliver the Wedgie Heard Around The World myself to one of those pusillanimous Fighting Keyboarders......
Why do you hate the Constitution, Joe?
Chavez is a disturbing leader, particularly the aspect where he got the laws changed so he can act unilaterally without congress (Venezuela's version of the "unitary executive"). But he's got popular support from the poorer parts of the country which gives him a mandate. I suspect he's tapping into the disaffection of the underclass in our world of increasing haves-versus-havenots, much like the rise of communism around the world the last time things were this bad economically for everyone.
Schumer and Feinstein have to vote to approve Mukasey because, after all, Bush is still President. And they don't want to be soft on terrorism. Or something.
Two of the safest seats in the Senate. Feinstein won't even be running again six fucking years from now.
Cowards. That is all.
Which is why they could make a stand and refuse to confirm any nominee. He's not going to reshape the DoJ and sweep out corruption, so at least withdraw consent and make Bush own it all.
NTodd, Moral Masturbator
Yes. Why the fuck they refuse to acknowledge this is beyond me.
Stupidity?
Corruption?
Blackmail?
Ego?
I just watched the movie War Without End. Nothing there that changed my mind about all the chaos there being anything but intentional. When the Iraqi Army and all the government was released, shut down, 5 million armed people with no means of support were turned loose on the population and the US military without any protection forthcoming by the US. Any attempts at organizing the people for protection was shut down also. They were allowed to steal and destroy all the ancient records, history, art of the area. It looks like an attempt to erase the entire people to me.
With Goldberg, Ponnuru and Reynolds as Margaret Dumont...
"We're fighting for this lady's honor - which is more than she ever did for it..."
Stupidity?
Corruption?
Blackmail?
Ego?
TJ,
You forgot cowardice, which is the real reason.
Condi: Mooshy-Moosh decision "highly regrettable"
Yes. Why the fuck they refuse to acknowledge this is beyond me.
Stupidity?
Corruption?
Blackmail?
Ego?
TJ, outraged
Maybe they just feel like they need to have SOMEBODY running the DOJ.
Condi: Mooshy-Moosh decision "highly regrettable"
Translation: "Next month we're sending the check parcel post."
Condi: Mooshy-Moosh decision "highly regrettable"
She's clearly referring to shortage of stiletto pumps that's sure to follow.
Maybe they just feel like they need to have SOMEBODY running the DOJ.
That would be the stupidest reason of all...
Condi: Mooshy-Moosh decision "highly regrettable"
Shorter Condi:
Nuke yourselves, already!
Maybe they just feel like they need to have SOMEBODY running the DOJ.
Somebody is running the DOJ. There's an acting AG, and of course, Bush is The Deciderer.
If it's so fucking critical, then hold out until Bush finally sees reason (*cough*) and nominates somebody who understands what torture is, and that's it's wrong. Their job is to be a firewall, not a rubber stamp.
This blogger, Johnny Virgil, found an old 1970s JCPenney catalog in the attic and posted a ton of pictures showcasing the fantastic fashion of the era.
Seriously. You'll bust a gut.
Or, perhaps, look back fondly. I was born in the 70s, so for me it was teh fucking funny...
TJ, outraged | 11.03.07 - 12:25 pm | #
My sister has transferred what's left of our old slide collection onto cd. Looking back at our fashion 'taste' throughout the decades-Yikes!
Cowards. That is all.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:07 pm | #
Said it before, but...
why the fuck are the Democrats giving Bush ANYTHING, let alone the Mukasey nomination?
It makes no fucking sense....
But I've got a huge problem with a leader that thinks any street demonstration needs to be met with force.
Washington, Caracas, or Rangoon.
Zap Rowsdower
I don't know what incident you are referencing but I can imagine you heard one side of it in our press.
And Steve, if push came to shove, who are you going to believe about life in Cuba, our state dept. and press or Ry Cooder's first hand accounts?
That would be the stupidest reason of all...
dave™© | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:10 pm | #
doesn't compute. please elucidate...
Top US analyst hits back after death threats over Citigroup downgrade
Meredith Whitney, the analyst who prompted a $369 billion (£177 billion) plunge in the value of US shares on Thursday by issuing a negative note on Citigroup, hit out at Wall Street’s culture of intimidation yesterday after receiving several death threats from investors in the bank.
http://
business.timesonline.co.u...icle2796774.ece
It had to be either larry kudlow or mort zuckerman.
Cowards. That is all.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:07 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
That implies they know better. May be true of Schumer, but DiFi has always been an opportunistic party hack with the principles of an earwig.
And Steve, if push came to shove, who are you going to believe about life in Cuba, our state dept. and press or Ry Cooder's first hand accounts?
Hedda Gobbler | 11.03.07 - 1:12 pm | #
Good point...
FUBAR!
And Steve, if push came to shove, who are you going to believe about life in Cuba, our state dept. and press or Ry Cooder's first hand accounts?
Hedda Gobbler
I, for one, am envious of all that Cooder has been able to accomplish.
Mr. TJ is a French citizen and has been to Cuba. The stories we hear in the U.S. are completely one-sided.
So has res ipsa seen this?
Chavez is a disturbing leader, particularly the aspect where he got the laws changed so he can act unilaterally without congress (Venezuela's version of the "unitary executive"). But he's got popular support from the poorer parts of the country which gives him a mandate. I suspect he's tapping into the disaffection of the underclass in our world of increasing haves-versus-havenots, much like the rise of communism around the world the last time things were this bad economically for everyone.
puppethead | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:06 pm | #
Good for the poor.
I don't know what incident you are referencing but I can imagine you heard one side of it in our press.
I doubt that.
I don't think that "our press" were the only ones reporting on Chavez shutting down TV stations.
Or this...
DiFi has always been an opportunistic party hack with the principles of an earwig.
You're preaching to the choir, sport!
Meredith Whitney, the analyst who prompted a $369 billion (£177 billion) plunge in the value of US shares on Thursday by issuing a negative note on Citigroup, hit out at Wall Street’s culture of intimidation yesterday after receiving several death threats from investors in the bank.
http:// business.timesonline.co.u...icle2796774.ece
It had to be either larry kudlow or mort zuckerman.
hadenough
Jesus Christ. Is it just me, or does it seem like we are headed for a crash of historic proportion?
That would be the stupidest reason of all...
dave™© | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:10 pm | #
doesn't compute. please elucidate...
fokowi | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:12 pm | #
C'mon. Bush nominates Reinhard Heydrich to be AG. Congress should confirm him because there won't be an official AG otherwise?
No, you keep fighting. Say you won't accept any fuckers who think playing Torture Me Elmo is fun and legal. Knock every goddamned one of the nominees down until you get one who is an actual human being and American, or Bush runs out the clock.
DiFi's argument hinged on "transparency during confirmation hearings." Well, bitch, you've got no fucking transparency here: dude won't say if partial drowning is torture. So don't confirm the fascist shitwhistle.
I am working a bit ahead of time on my New Year's resolutions.
I pulled out a writing pad and have been recording each one in neat print, on each line.
So far I have a full page, top to bottom.
Each line says : Use More Profanity
I think this coming year, I will be able to keep each one of my resolutions.
.Somebody is running the DOJ. There's an acting AG, and of course, Bush is The Deciderer.
I'd rather have Mukasey running the DOJ than Keisler. Look him up and tell me if you agree. Just sayin'
So has res ipsa seen this?
"Rudolph Giuliani is the godfather..."
That sounds about right.
Steve--To us it makes not sense.
So, why would it make sense to Congressional Dems?
NSA tapes? Blackmail? Threats?
What else?
Lack of spine simply doesn't explain it to me.
That implies they know better. May be true of Schumer, but DiFi has always been an opportunistic party hack with the principles of an earwig.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:13 pm |
Yes. And the hair....Oy....the hair....
Chavez is a disturbing leader, particularly the aspect where he got the laws changed so he can act unilaterally without congress (Venezuela's version of the "unitary executive"). But he's got popular support from the poorer parts of the country which gives him a mandate. I suspect he's tapping into the disaffection of the underclass in our world of increasing haves-versus-havenots, much like the rise of communism around the world the last time things were this bad economically for everyone.
puppethead
Like Castro in Cuba, when you are a tiny little country in the orbit of the only rogue superpower on the planet who is constantly trying to destablize your country, undermine your government and assassinate you or violently overthrow you, you have to take drastic measures. The threat to Cuba and Venezuela from America is much more real and immediate than any threat from any terrorist is to this country. Wouldn't you agree?
Meredith Whitney, the analyst who prompted a $369 billion (£177 billion) plunge in the value of US shares on Thursday by issuing a negative note on Citigroup, hit out at Wall Street’s culture of intimidation yesterday after receiving several death threats from investors in the bank.
http:// business.timesonline.co.u...icle2796774.ece
hadenough
I was thinking that it's ironic that the icon of idolatry in the Old Testament - the golden calf - is but a young version of the icon of today's idolatry - the Bull Market on Wall Street.
Pop quiz: Words of George Bush or Pervez Musharraf?
So has res ipsa seen this?
Of course she did! Bada Bing!
That implies they know better. May be true of Schumer, but DiFi has always been an opportunistic party hack with the principles of an earwig.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
True enough. A parsing of her op-ed piece in today's LAT makes that clear.
I'd rather have Mukasey running the DOJ than Keisler. Look him up and tell me if you agree. Just sayin'
blerb
I'd rather have ANYONE running it as an acting (i.e. unapproved) AG than Mukasey running it with the approval of Congress.
I'd rather have Mukasey running the DOJ than Keisler. Look him up and tell me if you agree. Just sayin'
Already looked him up.
Point is that the Senate has a role, and it's not a rubber stamp. Once they confirm Mukasey, they own him. They then accept a torturer as head of the DoJ. If you want somebody better, don't accept the first offer.
That sounds about right.
Read the part where Rudy Bada Bing! and his BFF Pete Powers welcomed Kerik to the team.
IT's straight outta "The Godfather."
I'd rather have ANYONE running it as an acting (i.e. unapproved) AG than Mukasey running it with the approval of Congress.
TJ, outraged
As if I needed another reason to love you.
What Pantless Sam said.
Plus I like this typical load of bullshit from DiFi:
...voting him down would only perpetuate acting and recess appointments, allowing the White House to avoid the transparency that confirmation hearings provide and to diminish effective oversight by Congress.
God forbid you should actually STAND UP AND FIGHT.
The ceo of bear stearns had to deny he was a doper after a hit piece in the WSJ. I'm very suspicious of what Murdoch is up to at WSJ. It could well be that we are seeing an attempt to put the arm on Wall Street just as many in Wall Street desert the Rethugs.
Educate yourself with Donny Miller’s “The US Constitution Erotic Coloring Book.”
http://www.meltcomics.com/blog/2...-coloring-book/
O'Reilly seems to think it's a good idea.
A parsing of her op-ed piece in today's LAT makes that clear.
Jeebus fuck!
That was pathetic.
Of course she did!
You must be very happy today...
And Steve, if push came to shove, who are you going to believe about life in Cuba, our state dept. and press or Ry Cooder's first hand accounts?
I'm inclined to believe the account of my friends (Canadians) who visited Cuba but declined to take any official tour. Instead, they backpacked through small towns, spending the nights with villagers. They said they've never seen "happier" people anywhere. Poor but happy. Maybe in part because certain issues like health care and a living wage or subsidy were a given part of their lives.
...voting him down would only perpetuate acting and recess appointments, allowing the White House to avoid the transparency that confirmation hearings provide and to diminish effective oversight by Congress.
God forbid you should actually STAND UP AND FIGHT.
dave™© | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:19 pm | #
"Hey Di, vote for us, and we'll keep your hubby from the investigations when they come"
OK, NTodd. I "got it up," if you get my drift.
Pushes everyone else off the page, though. Any way to do a paragraph or two with a "read more" link?
i don't have an opinion yet about the AG situation, which is why i'm asking what some here may think are naive questions...
doesn't there have to more to any opposition other than just the waterboarding questions...
And puppethead, I tend to agree with Krushchev. Even he thought Castro was fucking nuts back then. He has probably mellowed with age. Still, he survived everything we threw at him and we threw everything but the kitchen sink. There are problems there. There are many things they should be applauded for. No one died in the CAT 5 that hit Cuba in 2005. Not even the pets. They evac them along with the fridges and TV sets so the people will leave.
Point is that the Senate has a role, and it's not a rubber stamp. Once they confirm Mukasey, they own him. They then accept a torturer as head of the DoJ. If you want somebody better, don't accept the first offer.
NTodd, Moral Masturbator | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 1:18 pm | #
Old news. Even the Washington Post editorial board warned the Senate that approving Gonzalez was approval of torture and lawlessness.
OK, kids, off to Saturday at the Shelter!
If you've got a couple of bucks looking for a home, you could do worse...
Jesus Christ. Is it just me, or does it seem like we are headed for a crash of historic proportion?
This is serious shit. The heads of two i-banks have gone tits up in the last week. Bear Stearns sold a huge chunk of itself to China. It's going to get worse before it gets better. And even when it gets better, it will implode again. It's a casino. And a badly run one, at that.
Despite the often heated confrontations between the protesters and the police, there have been no reports of serious injuries.
Yeah, that Chavez is real Stalin, all right.
doesn't there have to more to any opposition other than just the waterboarding questions...
No.
This has been...
They evac them along with the fridges and TV sets so the people will leave.
this is uh-merica: all services are on the cheap in a capitalism-gone-wild economy
IT's straight outta "The Godfather."
res ipsa loquitur
No doubt in my mind that rotten rudy is connected.
Jesus Christ. Is it just me, or does it seem like we are headed for a crash of historic proportion?
Someone clearly has been ignoring all the links to Teh Shrill One for the last 18 months.
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Off to do more stinky teenager week's worth of football practice laundry.
Ick.
Love you too, NTodd. Mwah!
OK, NTodd. I "got it up," if you get my drift.
Pushes everyone else off the page, though. Any way to do a paragraph or two with a "read more" link?
Yeah, there's an excerpt option. I'll take care of that right now--for the future, you'll need to "customize" your view so you can see the extended shit. I forget the exact clicks, but can let you know after I poke around...
I'd rather have ANYONE running it as an acting (i.e. unapproved) AG than Mukasey running it with the approval of Congress.
Besides the morality of congress taking such a stand, it's not as if the acting guy would be doing a worse job than the person who would be Bush's official torturer in general.
doesn't there have to more to any opposition other than just the waterboarding questions...
Well aside from the minor issue that Mukasey believes "battlefield" and "armed conflict" can be defined to allow the arrest, rendition, and indefinite imprisonment without trial of US citizens on US soil ...
Old news. Even the Washington Post editorial board warned the Senate that approving Gonzalez was approval of torture and lawlessness.
Yup. And now they can choose to make a stand after seeing how much they failed last time.
But, you know, they won't, the fucking cowards...
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tom | 11.03.07 - 1:24 pm | #
"Broder isn't cool. I don't think he's right" -A
Fokowi, approving waterboarding as an acceptable interrogation technique should be enough, especially since it reflects a complete disregard for the laws against torture enacted in this country and in treaties we are signatory to.
It also implies that he's going to go along with whatever the White House tells him to, just like Gonzales did.
Our country's approach to Castro's Cuba has always been ridiculously overblown and hysterical. And yes, the US meddles far too much in South America, creating the opposite results than what we think we want.
That doesn't mean what Chavez chooses to do is all good, but I don't think he's some super villain either.
I think it's pretty clear that George Bush will never "see reason". Whatever he answered on the waterboarding question, it's fairly clear that Mukasey is not just the worst kind of croney hack, which is what Gozales was. Keisler does not look much better than Gonzales to me, since he is a Bush appointee and his biggest claim to fame seems to have been actively working to continue denying any kind of Habeas protectins to people at Gitmo. So you get to pick between having something resembling a real AG with the imprimatur of the Senate, or one of Bush's hacks with a proven track record of hate for the constitution running the whole show until Bush can make a recess appointment. It's not exactly a great choice. I guess what you go with depend on whetehr or not you think standing on principle is the only important thing.
It also implies that he's going to go along with whatever the White House tells him to, just like Gonzales did.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Which is why I choked when Bush, in defending Mukasey, claimed he was independent. Yeah, right, except for his inability to explicitly state partial drowning interrogation is illegal torture.
I'm very suspicious of what Murdoch is up to at WSJ. It could well be that we are seeing an attempt to put the arm on Wall Street just as many in Wall Street desert the Rethugs.
rootless-e | 11.03.07 - 1:19 pm
Thank you, rootless-e, for the reminder that this is not the WSJ of old, where the news reporting was strictly segregated from the editorial content.
Uh oh.
How will we know? Who can we trust to report on business?
Un oh. Uh oh.
I just think it would be nice if we could get the straight facts with no propaganda from out gubmint and media for once. Heh.
Mukasey was perhaps not defending waterboarding so much as he was defending BushCo--he did say he couldn't discuss actual torture methods without putting CIA people in "personal legal jeopardy." (bottom of second paragraph)
Of course, those who authorized such torture would also be in "personal legal jeopardy."
Same thing as with the FISA immunity for the telcos--it's not just for the companies.
So why are the Dems going along with this if they don't believe BushCo can do these things legally?????????
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/3.../
31mukasey.html
Pervez's hair looks like a Davy Crockett hat
Pakistan's possession of nuclear armaments changes the equation considerably when instability sets in. Yes, this is a serious blow to The Chimperator's dream of democracy in the Middle East and Central Asia, but a chaotic Pakistan brings with it enormous risk for more than just the region.
Somewhere, Jeanne Kirkpatrick's bony skull is smirking and Kissinger's in his bathroom with a copy of the Weekly Standard and a tube of KY.
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