I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
It was truly wonderful Atrios. A fine speech. Thank you Senator Clinton.
That close to first!
A fine speech. Thank you Senator Clinton.
which should have astounded no one.
well done hillary
now let's move on to elect obama
also, in re I Larry Johnson: it would be irresonsible of us not to discuss the rumors of tapes of him fucking sheep in drag
I've had a lot less fear about this primary than some others. In the end I think we all will look back and say that the primary battle actually was a plus for the Dems.
fucking sheep in drag
Who was in drag? Him or the sheep?
SHE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THIS SPEECH IN FEBRUARY!
I thought Clinton did well today...she has some qualities I admire and she is one
that you really LOVE having on your side.
BUT-she has some pretty nasty things to clean up-things she said about Obama that the Republicans
are going to play over and over....
The " Me and McCain have a lifetime of experience" and Obama " he has a speech" shit...
What was missing today for me is no mention of McCain.
If she can go after McCain with the same venom that she did Obama, we should be in good shape.
She is hard not to love in this moment.
A fine speech. Thank you Senator Clinton.
which should have astounded no one.
Of course not, but hatred is a powerful filter.
Thanks, A.
How's my home town treating you?
What was missing today for me is no mention of McCain.
No need. She said we will work to elect Obama. End of story.
Mr. NTodd Johnson is correct.
so, ok, this is interpretation but it's the same one i've been repeating and it seems to be falling out as i predicted, give or take a day or two:
clinton and obama were very close. it was clear obama would win. but this was the first time that every state* felt like they had a say in the primaries. it would have made no difference to obama or the party if clinton had dropped out a week or two earlier, or even a month. but since she said she would go all the way through the primaries, she couldn't exaclty tell her supporters "i'm still in it! vote for obama!" instead, she dug herself into more personal debt in exchange for getting way more democrats registered and involved. after the last one, before the official totals were in, on that night she did not concede but of you listened she was clearly saying "it's obama's race now, but my supporters have to feel they are still connected in what i do next. which will be to help ensure obama's election. oh, and if there's any way he could help out with the money problem that would be appreciated."
so it took them a couple of days to get together and plan next steps. and then she made it clear to everyone that supporting clinton means electing obama and defeating mccain.
i really don't see why everyone has been so excited about it.
For damn sure the long, long runup to the nomination of Barack got an awful lot of people to register, and played a lot on the teebee. All good.
I don't know how many new Democrats were registered in all, but I seem to recall 700K PA, 300K VA, 130K IN, and it would not be nuts to think we're looking at another 3+ million D votes than we had in 2004.
A million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking about real political power.
What was missing today for me is no mention of McCain.
She made it perfectly clear that there should be a Democrat in the White House.
*not valid in florida or michigan.
Hecate, I left this downthread, but I just wanted to say:
Hecate,
Very happy for and proud of you for going, despite the heat and the delay.
It was a beautiful speech. In retrospect, I can see why she needed a couple of days to compose herself after Tuesday. She delivered a grand slam.
It's a great day to be a Democrat.
And I'd add, the Republicans are truly shitting themselves. Just heard a dude on MSNBC...and the RNC is putting out several press releases already today, putting Obama down.
I didn't see it either, so I hated it.
go ahead and poke
i'll continue to be gracious
Senator Clinton made a fine speech today. Loaded with goodness.
In her speech, did she actually give a reason why we should support Obama, like specifics?
Yes, about five or six, followed each time by "And that's why I'm going to work to get Senator Obama elected president." Pretty soon, the crowd was yelling the line each time with her.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 2:45 pm
This information was unavailable to most if not all tv viewers, even of c-span's deadpan coverage.
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so it took them a couple of days to get together and plan next steps. and then she made it clear to everyone that supporting clinton means electing obama and defeating mccain.
Well said.
Process. Played out. As it should have been.
the RNC is putting out several press releases already today, putting Obama down.
What else can they do....praise McCain?
She made it perfectly clear that there should be a Democrat in the White House.
WHY? She is on record saying that McCain is BETTER then Obama.
She Has to clear this up.
Of course not, but hatred is a powerful filter.
But, she's a MONSTER!!!!!!!
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What else can they do....praise McCain?
Anon, 4th Edition Whitey
They can ... try.
CNN's coverage is superior to MSNBC right now.
Of course not, but hatred is a powerful filter.
NTodd, HilFemWack
which is why it is prolly not a good idea to have her as v.p.
she can pull in her support on the positive from outside. from inside, the hate is a poweful counterbalance.
i suspect that if she does not want a lifetime job in the senate, she will have the opportunity to take a cabinet position.
I know the RNC's strategy will be to use things Hillary has said against Barack in their advertising, but really, what was said was pretty lame in retrospect, compared to McCain's voting record and policies.
Remember, a key meme this election should be McCain's voting record against women's rights. It's hugely important, given the amount of support Hillary received from women.
I don't know how many new Democrats were registered in all, but I seem to recall 700K PA, 300K VA, 130K IN, and it would not be nuts to think we're looking at another 3+ million D votes than we had in 2004.
36 million Dems cast ballots in this race. 15 million in 2004.
If you want the hate to stop, why bring it up?
CNN's coverage is superior to MSNBC right now.
That's like comparing dogshit to catshit.
Babar in 2008!
which is why it is prolly not a good idea to have her as v.p.
Actually, given she earned 18 million votes, it's clear not everybody hates her. I was referring to certain people on a certain blog.
If you want the hate to stop, why bring it up?
Because we've already seen it even in the wake of her concession. Sunshine. Disinfectant.
WHY? She is on record saying that McCain is BETTER then Obama.
She Has to clear this up.
anna | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 2:50 pm | #
no, she isn't.
she is on record as saying mccain would have a campaign advantage on a particular meme.
she is on record as saying, during the campaign while she was still running and might have even had a very slim chance, "i hope i am the nominee. but if i am not, it would be a grave error not to vote for senator obama."
WHY? She is on record saying that McCain is BETTER then Obama.
She Has to clear this up.
anna
That's not what she said. You're concern trolling. She did say some things, but as time plays out rather rapidly, I'm absolutely certain she'll repudiate them.
Some wanker on MSNBC yesterday predicted she'd still hold out on supporting Obama, which was absolute nonsense. At this point it would be lose/lose for Senator Clinton.
If he loses, she'd share some of the blame. If he wins, she becomes irrelevant.
She done good here.
That's like comparing dogshit to catshit.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
Catshit is superior to dogshit.
I can't tell the difference between Kitty Roca and Almong Roca just by looking.
Free credit card troll. That's a new one.
NTodd, I'm only seeing the usual trolls at their bullshit, as Meander pointed out on the previous thread. I posted the first comment on this thread, and it was as positive as those i posted on the previous. You and dirk chose to cut and paste it and use the word hatred...added it to my post.
fuck that shit.
Thanks Hillary Clinton. Love you Hecate and Vicki. Have a good day everybody.
great speech, classy and pitch perfect tone.
it's obvious Clinton is sincere about her support for BHO, and determined to get her supporters to be as committed as she is to seeing a Dem in the White House.
good on her.
I want to reiterate my comment about women voters, above.
Have to leave now.
She is on record saying that McCain is BETTER then Obama.
Link?
No, didn't think so.
Catshit is superior to dogshit.
Dogs seem to think so.
democrats, unite! with her help, he will win for sure. can we start drinking yet?
Catshit is superior to dogshit.
Unless you're a dog.
36 million Dems cast ballots in this race. 15 million in 2004.
NTodd, HilFemWack
Thank you, sir.
My guess is that not all of the 21M difference is due to new voters; a lot of people got themselves to the polls because of the compelling nature of the candidates.
But maybe most of the 21M are new registrations...
If the Supremes stick their noses into this, there's gonna be another American Revolution...
Actually, given she earned 18 million votes, it's clear not everybody hates her.
oh, no. i realize that. but i think as a campaigner, she can mostly convince her supporters that they should vote obama. people who won't, won't even if she is veep. but there is some contingent that would vote for obama, but would stay home if hrc is on the ticket. i think.
and stay at homes are the problem. obama will win, but we need every dem voter out there pulling in the downstream candidates.
Obama has no experience screwing things up. Give the man a chance!
36 million Dems cast ballots in this race. 15 million in 2004.
How monstrous it was of her to stay in the race until the end. People actually had to make an effort to vote.
She was speaking to her supporters, not Obama's. Obama supporters are already going to vote for him. Give her a break, it was a magnificent concession.
Because we've already seen it even in the wake of her concession.
really, HATE in the last few hours since she conceeded, on this blog? by anyone besides the trolls?
evidence please.
The Supremes can't stick their noses in. No precedent.
Catshit is superior to dogshit.
Unless you're a dog.
Ralphie
On the internet nobody knows... You might be a cat.
I wonder why she waited for Saturday morning?
That's not what she said.
Vicki-that IS what she said.
I bring a lifetime of experience to the office of Commander in Chief-Sen. McCain brings
a lifetime of experience to the Office of Commander in Chief-and Sen. Obama has a Speech"
Bill Clinton said this too.
" He would have been my Pastor" how about that one?
What I want is for her to begin to take these statements back and go after McCain.
She has given the Republicans a lot of ammunition and I can't sweep that under the rug.
On the internet nobody knows... You might be a cat.
Licks balls, sniffs ass, humps leg. I don't think so.
The Supremes can't stick their noses in. No precedent.
Ralphie
Hiya, Ralphie. I'm referring to November. And while you're probably joking, let me add:
Since when has precedent stopped the Gang of 5 before?
You and dirk chose to cut and paste it and use the word hatred...added it to my post.
er, no i didn't. i c+p'd ntodd's comment and didn't add anything to your post. the only comment i made on yours was that no one should have been surprised.
don't lump me in with the hater!
I wonder why she waited for Saturday morning?
Well, one theory is Friday was for 40th anniversary of the RFK murder, so she didn't want to do it then, especially with Caroline Kennedy in the Obama camp.
I think it was v good.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 2:50 pm | #
I wish I you could have gotten that shot but thanks for the mental image. Priceless.
The Supremes can't stick their noses in. No precedent.
Long line of folks exiting the speech and stopping to buy Obama buttons and gear.
One lovely old African American woman sitting at the back of the hall, registering DC voters.
Two gorgeous little girls dancing to the music.
A law student from Howard who interned for Hil last summer.
It was a wonderful crowd
i'll continue to be gracious
Senator Clinton made a fine speech today. Loaded with goodness.
ErinPDX
type, erase, type, erase.
Love ya kiddo.
which should have astounded no one.
dirk gently, melancaholic | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 2:40 pm | #
Why? Does she have a history of inspiring speeches? Did she not say a lot of unforgiveable crap during the campaign?
She did good today and I believe her when she says she'll do whatever it takes to elect Obama. But the idea that it was baseless to think she might not have done either is just silly...
Remember:
Here is what the Republicans have given us in the past 30-odd years--Nixon and Agnew, both criminals who were driven from office and should have gone to prison--Ronnie Reagan, an affable fool who stood where he was told and read the lines his handlers wrote him--and draft-dodging Dick and Mr. Mission Accomplished, two cowardly chickenhawks addressing their insecurities over their masculinity by directing others to go to war and die for their vanity war.
anna the concern troll links as her "homepage" BarackObama.com which at this moment has a lovely "Thank You Senator Clinton" welcome page.
How ironic. Click and see.
The speech wasn't about Obama or his supporters. There are months for her to "clarify" her previous comments. The only people who should be upset about this speech are Town Hallers and Dittoheads.
I don't know how many new Democrats were registered in all, but I seem to recall 700K PA, 300K VA, 130K IN, and it would not be nuts to think we're looking at another 3+ million D votes than we had in 2004.
36 million Dems cast ballots in this race. 15 million in 2004.
NTodd, HilFemWack | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 2:52 pm
Those 'new' democratic voters are really all Republicans who crossed over to play havoc with the Dems because Rush told them to.
/wingnut
anna, don't be a fool. please.
i mean, really. think about what nonsense you are spouting. seriously.
Licks balls, sniffs ass, humps leg. I don't think so.
Ralphie
You just haven't met the right cat.
A fine speech. Thank you Senator Clinton.
which should have astounded no one.
Reminds me of Deadheads circa 1994 getting oh so excited that Jerry managed to remember all the words to Jack Straw.
WE KNEW HE COULD DO IT!
Never mind that the band sucked shit most of the rest of the time.
It's great that you got to see it up close, Hecate.
Okay...gotta go.
Talk to you fine folks later this evening...
Dave, I am joking. I do think that when SCOTUS made their decision in 2000 they said something to the effect that it could not be used as a precedent. My memory is not what it used to be.
Simels, I had no problem posting.
An adult beverage includes silicone, yes?
WHY? She is on record saying that McCain is BETTER then Obama.
She Has to clear this up.
anna | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 2:50 pm | #
anna: in all seriousness, from my heart, Go Fuck Yourself.
Love ya kiddo.
qlª
love you too sis
I do think that when SCOTUS made their decision in 2000 they said something to the effect that it could not be used as a precedent.
They did. The decision only applied to that case at that time.
Though I'm sure they'll find a way around it if they have to.
Now that the Democratic Party is united, let's work to elect Obama to president and unite the country.
There's many things that need be done.
"Unless you're a dog."
--Ralphie
But dogs love to eat it if they can get it.
n 2000 they said something to the effect that it could not be used as a precedent. My memory is not what it used to be.
Limited to its facts. Yet if you check Shepards, it's been cited many times. Heh.
Why? Does she have a history of inspiring speeches? Did she not say a lot of unforgiveable crap during the campaign?
Now that the Democratic Party is united, let's work to elect Obama to president and unite the country.
There's many things that need be done.
NOT FADE AWAY!!!!!!!
She has given the Republicans a lot of ammunition and I can't sweep that under the rug.
anna
Republicans out of ammunition?
Dirt is plentiful. Lies? Just make them up.
Buckeye. Dealer of Rare Coins | 06.07.08 - 3:01 pm
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Ridiculous in my opinion. Oh some are but they amount to much less than two or three percent.
But dogs love to eat it if they can get it.
mer
They know they're not supposed to, so they feel guilty and come lick your face after chowing down.
Here is what the Republicans have given us in the past 30-odd years--Nixon and Agnew, both criminals who were driven from office and should have gone to prison--Ronnie Reagan, an affable fool
and we thank you, Bugs, and your employers, for giving us such great folks. I'm sure McCain, if given half a chance, will continue the fine work of the people you've voted for.
now fuck off, racist pig.
The Democratic primary managed to cut off the methane supply of the Republican butt cheek calliope.
Odd that.
Why? Does she have a history of inspiring speeches? Did she not say a lot of unforgiveable crap during the campaign?
(same answere with closed tags)
1) kind of, although she is probably better off the cuff in small groups.
2) no. i don't believe she did. crap is only unforgivable if you won't forgive it. obama has, why can't you?
it wasn't even that rough of a campaign, in my opinion. please get over it.
thank you.
The democratic primary showed democracy.
The republican primary showed a dismissal of democracy.
NOT FADE AWAY!!!!!!!
Stunt Woman
okay that got me
see you fine people later
Hillary did good and I'm going to show the same graciousness she did today and forgive everyone's transgressions as I hope they'll forgive mine.
And with that quasi-biblical thought, I'm off to try to get something done. Jeez, this place is like a drug addiction. You keep sticking around for just one more hit....
Limited to its facts. Yet if you check Shepards, it's been cited many times. Heh.
I'm not a lawyer, I don't know. Have any cases been decided on the decision?
NOT FADE AWAY!!!!!!!
Stunt Woman
You forgot:
SAINT STEPHEN!!!
Dave, I am joking. I do think that when SCOTUS made their decision in 2000 they said something to the effect that it could not be used as a precedent. My memory is not what it used to be.
Ralphie
Nope, I thought that was what you were talking about, to be honest, but I wasn't sure.
Your memory is fine. The decision quite explicitly said "This ruling is not to be taken as precedent for anything."
Guess they didn't want done to the GOP what they did to the Democrats.
To be frank, neither do I. I wanna beat 'em fair and square. Don't want no Supremes and no Electoral College subverting the popular vote...
also, speaking of journalism, has anyone checked on new orleans lately?
are all the poor black people gone for good?
have the rich people repossessed the land and built resorts and estates?
the slow federal response wasn't a bug. it was a feature. florida had ice and other stuff almost ahead of its major storms, but it had a brother in the white house
Thanks Dave, neither do I.
NOT FADE AWAY!!!!!!!
Stunt Woman
You forgot:
SAINT STEPHEN!!!
Goddamn, you're right. That is the quintessential shout out. Either that or Unbroken Chain.
To be frank, neither do I. I wanna beat 'em fair and square. Don't want no Supremes and no Electoral College subverting the popular vote...
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
So do I, but I'd enjoy their delicious squealing if the shoe was on the other foot.
St. Stephen will remain
all he lost he shall regain....
Fade away?
hell no we won't!
really, HATE in the last few hours since she conceeded, on this blog? by anyone besides the trolls?
evidence please.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 06.07.08 - 2:57 pm
Below are some. Just do a search on "Stunt Woman."
we're sick of her and don't want her to be vice president any more than we wanted her to be president.
Thank you.
And yes I already apologized for being mistaken that she would concede this week. You're welcome.
Stunt Woman | 06.07.08 - 2:19 pm
AND, I bet Obama recorded her speech, anyway, to watch when he can. AND, it wasn't his day to shine - he gets that. It was her day to shine.
I watched The Chaotic Hour because the dumbass concession speech preempted That's So Raven.
Stunt Woman | 06.07.08 - 2:22 pm
So do I, but I'd enjoy their delicious squealing if the shoe was on the other foot.
geor3ge
Would be tasty, wouldn't it...
Few things sound better to me than the lamentations of their blowhards...
Fade away?
hell no we won't!
Doug | 06.07.08 - 3:07 pm | #
why don't we move to canada?
St. Stephen will remain
all he lost he shall regain....
Margaret
I do love that song, and totally understand why they refused to ever play it again.
Just like the Clinton supporters, I think Obama supporters such as myself just need a little time
to heal the wounds. I am still angry. I know this is not the party line right now, but it is my truth.
I am grateful to Clinton today for what she did. I cried when she spoke.
I think she showed great courage.
I just need time to forget the heartache of the last 5 months.
I am not going to write some phony bullshit that nobody believes anyway.
She hurt me and all I am saying is that today went a long way to heal the wounds.
I watched The Chaotic Hour because the dumbass concession speech preempted That's So Raven.
The standard for what constitutes hate speech is lower than I thought.
sheets above, and I took Frist
Besides, the experience meme is jive. How much decidering does a Senator really do? Not as much as a Gumminer.
We aren't electing a Senator, a legislator, we are electing a deciderer. We want a deciderer with superior judgement, ability to pick the best people to surround himself with - not yes men and political hacks - delegate authority and listen to wise council before he decides to act. For my money, that's Obama, hands down. How much experience did Eisenhower have in politics?
anna : She has given the Republicans a lot of ammunition and I can't sweep that under the rug.
And as a result, she lost the nomination, and had to concede. Don't think that that wasn't a part of all of those phone calls she got this week. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, so I expect her to keep her word and work for a Democratic victory.
That will do.
~
"why don't we move to canada?"
Too cold, it would give me shivers and make my joints ache.
sheets
Just like the Clinton supporters, I think Obama supporters such as myself just need a little time
kucinich supporters such as myself need another four years.
Festivus Day in JUne?
geor3ge | 06.07.08 - 3:09 pm
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My favorite by the Dead
How much experience did Eisenhower have in politics?
Quite a bit, to win WWII.
She hurt me
Grow the fuck up. This is not, believe it or not, about you.
The standard for what constitutes hate speech is lower than I thought.
Stunt Woman
The clever dodge will do it too.
Stunt Woman | 06.07.08 - 3:10 pm
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I think "dumbass concession speech" qualifies. You didn't vote for Obama, you voted against Clinton. Good for you! Go gloat if that's what you must do, I'm moving on.
Just like the Clinton supporters, I think Obama supporters such as myself just need a little time
to heal the wounds. I am still angry. I know this is not the party line right now, but it is my truth.
I am grateful to Clinton today for what she did. I cried when she spoke.
I think she showed great courage.
I just need time to forget the heartache of the last 5 months.
I am not going to write some phony bullshit that nobody believes anyway.
She hurt me and all I am saying is that today went a long way to heal the wounds.
anna | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 3:10 pm | #
this is almost as good as calling hillary a 'crone'
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I think "dumbass concession speech" qualifies. You didn't vote for Obama, you voted against Clinton. Good for you! Go gloat if that's what you must do, I'm moving on.
Margaret | Homepage | 06.07.08 - 3:13 pm | #
Margaret is 'moving on...'
I'm sure McCain, if given half a chance, will continue the fine work of the people you've voted for.
now fuck off, racist pig.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
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You know nothing! You're not only ugly, you are stupid too.
In fact, I'm moving right on outta here. Too much to do. See y'all
Are Hillary's 18 million voters all racists?
Are Hillary's 18 million voters all racists?
Bugs
Probably less than a million. The rest will vote for the Dem Nominee, whoever it is.
Good riddance to Shrillary
Better than her last narcissistic, divisive, deranged speech.
Hopefully will never have to listen to her again
Thankfully I just visited Barack Obama's blog and read some of the gracious comments posted by his supporters welcoming Hillary Clinton's supporters.Maybe the last two posters should do likewise. Some posters mentioned "Operation Chaos'-one of Rush's little games to get Dems divided. It almost worked on me. Now I know that I can support Obama. I was wavering, getting pretty angry at the ugliness of some posters and bloggers and reporters. I am glad I visited Barack's website. Sounds like good people there. Be glad to join with them and defeat Mcain.
It was excellent in tone, in text, in delivery...everything.
Bully for her.
"I still have Vicki Iseman"-John McCain
The Repubs are very happy that don't have to run against Clinton.
The Repubs are very, very happy they get to run against Obama.
How much experience did Eisenhower have in politics?
Quite a bit, to win WWII.
Indeed. Unlike a lot of military men talked up in politics (Patton, MacArthur, McCain) Eisenhower had more going for him then macho and a decent but irrelevant combat record.
Eisenhower organized and ran the largest overseas military operation in history, held together an alliance that had every possibility of dissolving into bickering, bigotry, and egotism, made terribly important decisions base on the needs of his country and his men rather than his own ego, and had the respect of pretty much everyone who worked with him.
The best modern military writers, like Max Hastings (British) and Rick Atkinsen (American) give Ike plenty of praise for his executive skills. Strictly speaking, he had more and more intensive diplomatic and adminstrative experience then all but a handful of our recent political leaders.
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