I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
2/27 changed everything.
Retroactive immunity, bitchez!
You can't say "Joe Klein" without "Joke".
You mean they LIED? Who would ever believe such a thing?
cheney held the secret energy meetings in February 2001, because 9/11 was about to change every thing. Linda Hamilton, and The Governator told him on the QT.
The Sept. 11 attacks have been cited by the government as the main impetus for its warrantless surveillance efforts.
Because we know they did capture phone conversations with warrants before 9/11. And Dog knows that 72 hours isn't long enough for warrantless wiretapping before needing a nasty little court to weigh in.
makes those 9/11 conpsiracy theorists seem slightly less crazy
You mean they LIED? Who would ever believe such a thing?
It sounds pretty far-fetched, to be sure.
Hey, Joe has pointed out that he walks around in public and (many) people do not recognize him. How could anyone be more serious?
So they had the illegal surveillance and still couldn't prevent 9/11, even with the August memo "Bin Laden Determined to Attack within US"? So what good is illegal surveillance?
See! They WERE focused on terrists before 911
/winger
Nacchio's account, which places the NSA proposal at a meeting on Feb. 27, 2001
He waited for a whole month after his inauguration to try this. Slacker.
/sarcasm
Now watch: wingers will use this as proof that a) Bushco was VERY INTERESTED in protecting us before 9/11, and b) they didn't have this program actually in place yet because some liberals objected and if only it had been we'd have prevented 9/11.
Shocked. I'm SHOCKED...
[/Capt. Renault]
So what good is illegal surveillance?
How else do you suggest the listen in on Democrats' conversations?
The Sept. 11 attacks have been cited by the government as the big cover story for its warrantless surveillance efforts.
Frozen yeti taco...
http://www.epic.org/crypto/dss/
n...evelations.html
go to section on reeased documents for eye opener
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSA...BB23/
index.html
Nacchio's account, which places the NSA proposal at a meeting on Feb. 27, 2001, suggests that the Bush administration was seeking to enlist telecommunications firms in programs without court oversight before the terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon.
Could it be they wanted to spy on the despised libruls?
makes those 9/11 conpsiracy theorists seem slightly less crazy
Liars For Bush
Not really.
Seriously, there's some fucked-up "reporting" on this today, confusing four different things:
1. "Pioneer Groundbreaker," which is presented as a project to build a duplicate Network Operations Center for NSA (presumably for listening to calls). This project was actually approved in 1999 (note that it started on 2/1/2001, 10 days after inauguration.) Some "reporting" is falsely equating this project with Nacchio's claim.
2. The BILLING RECORD requests that some carriers honored, and some didn't. This program would start with the call records for a telephone number associated with a known or suspected terrorist, look at who he talked to, then look at who THEY talked to, etc., looking for patterns. This wasn't LISTENING to calls.
3. The INTERNET surveillance rooms that are the subject of the EFF lawsuit. This program sifts the content of packets looking for a diamond in the Sahara.
4. Warrantless wiretapping - actually listening to calls without a warrant.
Also, it's been reported that Pioneer Groundbreaker was abandoned in favor of the surveillance rooms. But they would have done two completely different things (one managing voice network traffic, the other "vacuuming up" internet traffic). So be skeptical.
Finally, Nacchio isn't a particularly credible person in this situation. There is ample reason to believe he is lying, given his history.
How else do you suggest the listen in on Democrats' conversations?
NTodd, NLC
Well, since they want the terrorists to win we have no choice...
He waited for a whole month after his inauguration to try this. Slacker.
Funny, but it took him a month to get it ready for bids. He started on day one.
Finally, Nacchio isn't a particularly credible person in this situation.
Nacchio is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known.
Funny, but it took him a month to get it ready for bids. He started on day one.
Snow, Liberal
Someone smarter than me should do the math... for every 'X' dollars in contracts given to Republican cronies, 'Y' dollars wind up in Republican campaign coffers and PAC issue ads
Nacchio is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known.
NTodd
You are SUCH a fucking liar 
Nacchio
Is he one the Italian heroes that Laura is hot for?
The Qwest "customer service" robots are proof artificial intelligence does not yet exist.
Nacchio
Is he one the Italian heroes that Laura is hot for?
Lime Rickey
Maybe. He's definitely too old for Richard Roberts' wife.
GravatarSteaming artichokes as we type and do laundry.
mmmmmmm sounds good!
2/27 changed everything.
I think it was December 11th, 2000 - a day that will live in infamy forever, that changed everything.
Lucy (of fossil fame) was only 3'6" tall.
OT: Police chiefs are accusing parents of showing ignorance and complacency in the face of widespread cannabis use among teenage children.
The Association of Chief Police Officers says many parents do not understand the serious health risks of newer, more potent strains of the drug.
It is calling on parents to show zero tolerance to help stamp out use of the class C drug.
Government figures for 2006 suggest one in 10 under-16s has smoked cannabis.
The call follows the sentencing of mother Nicola Cooper earlier this week for giving cannabis to her children to stop them buying it from street dealers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/70.../uk/
7042881.stm
The Qwest "customer service" robots are proof artificial intelligence does not yet exist.
plantsman, areligious
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Years ago, I had a lengthy "conversation" with a FedEx customer service robot, who repeated back to you everything you said, followed by "It sounded like you said, blah blah blah. If this is correct, press 1. If this in incorrect, press 2." After 10 minutes of this, in frustration, I finally screamed into the phone, "FUCK YOU, you fucking BITCH!" Slight pause, then the robot returns with, "It sounded like you said...GOODBYE. If this is correct, press 1...."
Lucy (of fossil fame) was only 3'6" tall.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 11:32 am | #
When I dated her, she seemed taller.
When I dated her, she seemed taller.
So if you phoned up your pal in New York who once wrote a check to a charity that sent a few bucks to Somalia and they sent an e-mail thank-you card to the New Jersey mosque that donated sneakers and t-shirts to some poor starving family that named their 12-year-old "Osama," you're facilitating terrorism.
Data mining. Feel safer now?
Not sure if I mentioned, but I had a cool celebrity sighting yesterday.
76th and Broadway, late afternoon.
The beautiful Joan Allen.
She was wearing sweat pants and a jean jacket and she looked fabulous.
A little shorter than I expected...
...how did this c-student, illegal-punch-throwing, bicycle-crashing, stumbles-off-a-segway, dog-dropping, chokes-on-a-pretzel, land-grabbing, company-crashing frat-boy ...
Wait!
I just answered my own question.
Let's Not Trivialize Discrimination in Iran
by Rostam Pourzal
Coulter sez Christianity is the FedEx of religions. I guess that makes Jews Pony Express.
...and then, there's Dick Cheney's secret, underground lair.
76th and Broadway, late afternoon.
I seem to recall being in that neck of the woods with Res, on some sort of "mission".........................
Sr. Rickey:
Loadpantalones de Doughbob tiene gusto de su mama a los supress él con Las Duchas de Oro.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
When I dated her, she seemed taller.
steve simels |
Homepage |
10.13.07 - 11:35 am | #
everyone gets shorter as they age.
Data mining. Feel safer now?
shrimplate
Yeah, the group that can't add votes up is capable of flawless network graph intention weighting.
steve s. - You had a YouTube of Candy Butchers up at PowerPop the other day; have you listened to L.E.O. -- a "supergroup" of sorts, one of whose members / songwriters is Andy Sturmer?
They're a kind of a winking tribute to Jeff Lynne and ELO, they totally capture the sound and orchestral arrangements. It's a pretty neat concoction, especially if (like me) you have any affection for ELO's tunes.
Kurt Opsahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said: "It's inappropriate for the government to be awarding a contract conditioned upon an agreement to an illegal program. That truly is what's going on here."
BushCo hung a big for sale sign on our government and did it in a way to guaranty the consolidation of their power and control in perpetuity.
October 13, 2007
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.
McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.
I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma unfortunately not McCain and his ilk who are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.
Geesh, "guarantee"
More coffee
I guess that makes Jews Pony Express.
Lime Rickey | 10.13.07 - 11:38 am | #
Horsemeat ain't kosher, bubelah.
Shorter Atrios: I'll bitch about President Bush allegedly doing nothing about terrorism prior to 9/11, but then I'll bitch if it comes out he was taking anti-terroristic measures prior to 9/11. Nitpicking public servants is fun!
I finally screamed into the phone, "FUCK YOU, you fucking BITCH!" Slight pause, then the robot returns with, "It sounded like you said...GOODBYE. If this is correct, press 1...."
I had that same conversation with an AT&T robot when I cancelled my phone service with them.
Actually, there's a L.E.O. clip at YouTube right here.
lay off on the steamed artichokes unless you've got a bumper crop of autumn crocus for the gout repercussions
(disclaimer: autumn crocus extract can be a deadly poison unless administered in tiny amounts under a chemist's supervision
It's not the terrorism-fighting, it's the lying.
Shorter Atrios: I'll bitch ZZZZZZzzzzz..z...
Why does George Bush hate us for our freedoms? By his own definition doesn't that make him a terrorist?
McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks...
Well, you cadaverous old goat, you didn't have a vote now, did you?
Would it be that you did one thing in your life that would stack up next to what Mr. Gore is doing.
Shorter Atrios: I'll bitch about President Bush allegedly doing nothing about terrorism prior to 9/11, but then I'll bitch if it comes out he was taking anti-terroristic measures prior to 9/11. Nitpicking public servants is fun!
American Hawk | 10.13.07 - 11:41 am | #
Shorter Americah Hawk: I don't care if Bush breaks the law. Hell, I don't care if he shreds the Constitution.
But mostly I have a tiny widdle penis, which makes me grumpy.
Cheney had been waiting since Watergate for a chance.
Listening in on the phone calls of Americans v. Listening to concerns of FBI agents about people learning to fly airplanes but not take off or land.
Shorter Atr--
ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
American pigeon: 1) that wasn't shorter, 2) Bush failed, catastrophically, and lied about it, over and over, and 3) 1-800-USA-ARMY.
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(disclaimer: autumn crocus extract can be a deadly poison unless administered in tiny amounts under a chemist's supervision
TomorrowsJustADayAway |
10.13.07 - 11:42 am | #
Alpurinol is a little safer than crocus.
BTW, American Hawk --
You do understand that the reason the Bushies are tapping peoples phones illegally is not because they're going after terrorists.
It's because they're digging up dirt on their domestic political opponents, just like Nixon did, but on a much wider scale.
THought you'd like to know....
McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks...
As president, what would you do to bring freedom and democracy to Burma? How about as a US Senator?
Nitpicking public servants is fun!
Illegal wiretapping is "nitpicking".
I guess starting wars of choice would be a "clerical error"?
I'll bitch about President Bush allegedly doing nothing about terrorism prior to 9/11, but then I'll bitch if it comes out he was taking anti-terroristic measures prior to 9/11
Little Boots and crew didn't do a motherfucking thing about terrorism prior to 9/11, Pollo de Murka.
Remember "you've covered your ass"?
Facts are tough to refute, pollo.
General Sanchez (ret.), who commanded the US military in Iraq is now condemning the "national leadership" for their incompetence and indifference to the suffering and pain they have caused with their inept invasion and blundering occupation.
Sanchez hasn't named Bushboy and Cheneychins yet, but who the fuck else is "national leadership?"
3) 1-800-USA-ARMY.
~
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
LOL!
but then I'll bitch if it comes out he was taking anti-terroristic measures prior to 9/11.
August 6, 2001, PDB:
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U/S.
Fuck off, apologist.
Apparently concentrating power in a presidency is bad.
I posted this this morning, but here it is again:
The idiots. Now they're quoting some real scientists about how Antarctic sea ice levels are at the highest recorded level ever. And so they-- the idiots, not the scientists-- say this disproves global warming. Anyone see the flaw in "logic" here?
Loadpantalones de Doughbob tiene gusto de su mama a los supress él con Las Duchas de Oro.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
billy b - bloos delux
Y Tiene un pene flácido.
Sanchez hasn't named Bushboy and Cheneychins yet, but who the fuck else is "national leadership?"
Civilian chain-of-command.
McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks...
I wonder if McCain can name the laureate from 1991...
...oh? Too bad, I thought this was the physics discussion.
As president, what would you do to bring freedom and democracy to Burma? How about as a US Senator?
Whine about Al Gore being named recipient of the Nobel, apparently.
Little Boots and crew didn't do a motherfucking thing about terrorism prior to or on or after 9/11
Fixed your typo
The idiots. Now they're quoting some real scientists about how Antarctic sea ice levels are at the highest recorded level ever. And so they-- the idiots, not the scientists-- say this disproves global warming. Anyone see the flaw in "logic" here?
Jesus fuck, they're stupid.
Facts are tough to refute...
You - you -you're a poo-poo head! [/smallpenis hawk]
"Joe Klein is Very Serious"
wasn't he the one that said that chimpco wasn't up to anything wrong, and that he knew more then everyone else, but yet knew nothing?
thet were ALWAYS GONNA SPY ON THE DEMS...period...get it?
McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks...
Hey Chipmunk Cheeks, go stew in your own sour, sour grape juice.
(morning all.)
August 6, 2001, PDB:
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U/S.
March 5, 1998, PDB:
Earthquakes likely to strike in coming century
It's because they're digging up dirt on their domestic political opponents, just like Nixon did, but on a much wider scale.
THought you'd like to know....
Cannonball Lipschitz, jazz rab
Yes ... yes ... they'd like to get us all into the Watergate Hotel and have us play poke-her with Rusty and Cunningham and the gang so they could shame us politically
meanwhile the Casino franchise and it's K-Street lobbying contingency never felt a dent
wasn't he (Joke Line) the one that said that chimpco wasn't up to anything wrong, and that he knew more then everyone else, but yet knew nothing?
jdw | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 11:49 am | #
Yep.
~
The idiots. Now they're quoting some real scientists about how Antarctic sea ice levels are at the highest recorded level ever. And so they-- the idiots, not the scientists-- say this disproves global warming. Anyone see the flaw in "logic" here?
This wouldn't be the same gang trumpeting the British judicial decision that there were 9 "mistakes" in the Gore film?
/rhetorical
.
And Charlie Savage has documented the plan to expand Presidential power dating back to the Ford Administration.
Key to this effort is the notion of expediency with regard to national security - that the Executive must be able to act nimbly and without oversight.
Georgia has hired 1970s disco icons Boney M in its fight to get control of a tiny breakaway region, South Ossetia.
The singers of Daddy Cool and Rasputin are playing a concert in a small frontline village just walking distance from the rebels' capital, Tskhinvali.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/enter...ent/
7042807.stm
Giving power to dangerous and incompetent men at home will not make you safer.
It certainly will not make you safer from dangerous men very, very far away.
Y Tiene un pene flácido.
Cuál es el tamaño de un pepinillo dulce.
The Bushboy regime did precious little to go after terrorists after 9/11!
Instead of killing or capturing Bin Laden in Tora Bora, Bushboy sat on his ass and then made the worst blundering decision in US history to invade Iraq.
Tens of thousands of deaths later, $750 billion dollars later, and now that the Iraq War has caused terrorism to spread even faster and further, the depraved moron in the WH still hasn't got an exit plan!
Shorter McCain : Going to Baghdad is just like going to the Nobel Peace Prize award ceremony.
And Charlie Savage has documented the plan to expand Presidential power dating back to the Ford Administration.
Saaaaay. Weren't Cheney and Rummy in the Ford Administration too?
Golly gee, what could be the connection?
Earthquakes likely to strike in coming century
Oh, was the CIA listening to earthquake chatter, too?
Rightist Contrarian Lands Weak Punch On Hollywood Environmentalism
August 6, 2001, PDB:
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U/S.
March 5, 1998, PDB:
Earthquakes likely to strike in coming century
Not quite the same thing, oddly enough.
The Bushboy regime did precious little to go after terrorists after 9/11!
Instead of killing or capturing Bin Laden in Tora Bora, Bushboy sat on his ass and then made the worst blundering decision in US history to invade Iraq.
Tens of thousands of deaths later, $750 billion dollars later, and now that the Iraq War has caused terrorism to spread even faster and further, the depraved moron in the WH still hasn't got an exit plan!
Rudy | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 11:51 am | #
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but he responded BRAVELY to the COLE........................................oh wait
"Yep.
~
ifthethunderdontgetya™"
thanks. since i can't bring myself to read the link, is he now saying that he knows the chimp was spying before 911, but it's ok because it was all done in good faith?
And Charlie Savage has documented the plan to expand Presidential power dating back to the Ford Administration.
Hillary will appreciate that.
Sanchez hasn't named Bushboy and Cheneychins yet, but who the fuck else is "national leadership?"
Rudy
I watched his press conference this morning on c-span - and he said that he would have more to say later - implying more specific criticism. I hope he names Cheney specifically.
Earthquakes vs Terrorism
Two will enter....
This Sunday Sunday Sunday
Grudge match in a locked cage!!
ONLY ONE WILL LEAVE!!
You - you -you're a poo-poo head! [/smallpenis hawk]
That reminds me of a Patata Putrefacta
comeback.
The other day, the Patata Putrefacta said my mama was calling for me to come upstairs and eat the grillcheese sandwich she'd made me.
Now that's withering insultry, I tells ya!!!!
Actual paragraph from an actual piece of politimical journamalism from CBS news
During the twelve-minute interview, the former first lady chuckled in response to Olbermann. But she never unleashed the highly-scrutinized, overly-analyzed belly laugh known as "the cackle" that has been the focus of national media over the past few weeks. Which raises the question: Has the tightly-managed Clinton campaign put the kibosh on the cackle?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Earthquakes likely to strike in coming century
Oh, was the CIA listening to earthquake chatter, too?
pie
WE MUST INVADE MORIA!
meanwhile ... that *ucking Jack Abraham-off dude run around coming and going from court in the Man From Glad outfit
(Oh My! is that Jack Abraham 0ff in that London Fog trench)?
Inquiring and lazy minds don't want to know but rather be stimulated and Carlyle knows this
they'll make the decisions on who lives and dies in their old folks homes
Two senior US officials have flown to Turkey hoping to stem a deterioration in the two Nato allies' relationship.
Eric Edelman, an ex-US ambassador to Ankara, and Assistant Secretary of State Dan Fried are to hold talks with top Turkish foreign ministry officials.
The US has criticised Turkish threats to stage cross-borders raids on Kurdish rebel positions in northern Iraq.
Ties have also been strained by a US congressional vote branding the killing of Armenians in 1915-17 as genocide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/
7043170.stm
Hillary will appreciate that.
Dr. Wu
I think we need to await the outcome of Guilliani v Clinton by the Supreme Court.
Yes, earthquakes are predicted, and look at that! Building standards were changed to prepare for them. How prepared were the Bushies for 9-11?
Hillary will appreciate that.
Dr. Wu
Nah. As soon as the Dem Pres takes over, the Republics in Congress will suddenly rediscover the Constitution.
Indian scientist Rajendra Pachauri has spoken of his surprise at the UN panel he heads being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for its work on global warming.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and campaigner Al Gore were named as joint winners on Friday.
"I can't believe it. I'm overwhelmed," Dr Pachauri, 67, told well-wishers in the Indian capital, Delhi.
"The committee is trying to tell the world we need to do something about climate change urgently."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south...sia/
7041747.stm
(can someone shut him up ...?}
(no...shhhh ... no ... just up his medication, there'll be no problem ...we always have the heatattack drug we can use if necessary)
Makes Russia look like a boyscout
that's alright let it all hang out
Which raises the question: Has the tightly-managed Clinton campaign put the kibosh on the cackle?
Could someone tell me the difference between Journalism and Blogging again?
.
In any country run by the rule of law, Bushboy and Cheneychins would both be arrested for gross incompetence, willful negligence and for war crimes.
Fortunately for them, America is no longer a nation of laws.
Bushie can drop his dog, crash his bicycle, choke on a pretzel, stumble off a segway, crash his head into a door, stumble out of a limo... when "the media" is concerned with an old crone's cackle?
I'll vote for Maleficent!
Contrary to some past rumors about supposed GWB land holdings in Paraguay, the U.S. has extradition treaties with all Latin American nations. But we have no such treaties with Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, two countries that owe the Bush family (and Big Time) big time.
I'm just saying.
'course, the funny thing about the earthquake comparison is that 3 major strategic threats were identified in 1999:
1) Major terrorist attack
2) Massive hurricane destroying NOLA and the Gulf Coast
3) The Big One
Bush was certainly so well prepared for the first two. Let's see what he does before the 6th largest economy in the world falls into the ocean...
ok, i admit i had to read that twice. klein is a perfectly cromulent writer, and very serious. like, jedi serious.
...is hec around? ha, i found a sucker to help me with my leaf raking. men are such fools for a smile...
Could someone tell me the difference between Journalism and Blogging again?
Heh.
Could someone tell me the difference between Journalism and Blogging again?
.
UNE_PuffTheMagicNegro™
$$$$$$$
thanks. since i can't bring myself to read the link, is he now saying that he knows the chimp was spying before 911, but it's ok because it was all done in good faith?
jdw | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 11:53 am | #
Go ahead and read the link, it's a WaPo article featuring actual reporting. As opposed to Joke Line style butt-gas calliope noise.
~
the res tof us can eat cheap fried chicken as long as we can steal the oil to cook it
mmmmmm... Bacon!
Could someone tell me the difference between Journalism and Blogging again?
Journalists get paid and they don't have to link. They also didn't find Colbert's performance at the Correspondents' Dinner funny.
ha, i found a sucker to help me with my leaf raking. men are such fools for a smile...
chicago dyke
"Leaf raking"-- that's what they're calling it nowadays? Honey, I'll rake your leaves any day.
i found a sucker to help me with my leaf raking. men are such fools for a smile...
but . . . you're gay.
OT: Holy shit, this makes me ill.
Alpurinol is a little safer than crocus.
therealhellkitty | 10.13.07 - 11:45 am | #
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The alopurinal is a gout preventative and can actually make an active gout attack more painful. I suspect the crocus contains colchicine, which is very poisonous but will stop a gout attack.
but . . . you're gay.
Snow, Liberal
And that matters because?
Men always have hope...
found a sucker to help me with my leaf raking. men are such fools for a smile...
but . . . you're gay.
Snow, Liberal | 10.13.07 - 12:00 pm | #
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that is why they are sukkkerzzzzzzz
but . . . you're gay.
Snow,
Which makes it even better.
...is hec around? ha, i found a sucker to help me with my leaf raking. men are such fools for a smile...
Sweet!!!!
$$$$$$$
Of course, what was I thinking!
In any country run by the rule of law, Bushboy and Cheneychins would both be arrested for gross incompetence, willful negligence and for war crimes.
Fortunately for them, America is no longer a nation of laws.
Rudy
Too bad, Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table - I'd bet the Gen Sanchez could provide some evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. (If or when he blows the whistle on these criminals)
A vaccine for ovarian cancer has produced "encouraging" results in preliminary trials, US scientists say.
The vaccine is designed to enhance the body's own immune response to the cancer, said the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, based in Buffalo, New York.
Most patients with advanced disease respond to chemotherapy, but more than 70% die from a recurrence of the cancer within five years of diagnosis.
Cancer Research UK welcomed the study but said further trials were needed.
Details of the study appear in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/healt...lth/
7042410.stm
Bushboy lied us into the Iraq war. Mismanaged the invasion and occupation of that war. Has spent rivers of US and Iraqi blood and nearly a trillion $$$ in treasure on that war and has no plan for extricating us from this on going "nightmare" (as described by the former military commander).
And Clinton was impeached for what???
but . . . you're gay.
Snow,
let's just keep that to ourselves, until he's done using a power tool to make neat little piles of leaves for me. k?
/evil smile/
And that matters because?
Men always have hope...
John Edwards is taking calls on c-span now.
OT: Holy shit, this makes me ill.
geor3ge | 10.13.07 - 12:00 pm
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please warn peeps about this
i cant read this stuff hurting pets or kids
TOTALLY WILL RUIN MY WEEKEND!
Too bad, Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table
Does she realize this makes her an accomplice to Bush and Cheney's war crimes?
let's just keep that to ourselves, until he's done using a power tool to make neat little piles of leaves for me. k?
/evil smile/
You naughty minx!!
From geor3ge's link:
Animal Control Solution owner Julio Diaz said he went to the bridge when he heard of the allegations, but remains unconvinced that the dead animals are the same ones his company collected.
"We have never thrown animals off any place. We always take them to our local shelter and euthanize them," he said. "They can't prove that they are the same dogs that we picked up."
In other words...We just have wide stances. Really!
And of course, it was a private contractor who threw the animals off the bridge. Quelle surprise!
i'm with sitten. warning plz for all 'bad things happen to pupppies/children' links. some of us are truly bleeding hearts.
Wildcat strikers are threatening to wreck a hard-fought deal to end post strikes.
Thousands of postman have again refused to go to work, even though their trade union thrashed out a deal with Royal Mail bosses late on Friday night.
In a forth-day of illegal action, Royal Mail staff in London, Liverpool and Scotland refused to turn up to depots.
At one centre in Edinburgh, just two of 81 staff turned up for work.
In all around 30 Royal Mail sites across England and Scotland were affected.
The Communications Workers Union has refused publicly to back the wildcat strikes, but Mike Yarwood, a union official in Liverpool, said he thought many staff would remain on strike until Tuesday next week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...13/
nmail413.xml
still my Der Rosenkavalier DVD I ordered from Amazon managed to get thru, independent contractor (or Scabs if you prefer) delivered it this afternoon
A vaccine for ovarian cancer has produced "encouraging" results in preliminary trials, US scientists say.
Let's see what excuse the fundies come up with for trying to ban this. "If God didn't want those women to die, mostly because they have vaginas and have used them, he wouldn't have given them cancer!"
Or something of the like.
let's just keep that to ourselves, until he's done using a power tool to make neat little piles of leaves for me. k?
oooooh, power tools.
There was just a woman on the radio explaining her research into melting permafrost. Interesting stuff, but she has one of those "happy" voices that just grind your senses when she's talking about, ya know, the end of the world.
But anyway, her take away was that in fact, the permafrost is melting, and releasing lots of methane. Surprisingly, tho, CO2 releases don't seem as high as predicted, because the landscape adapts-- more plant life can grow. Still, the overall effect is frightening, and is starting to be documented on a large scale.
still my Der Rosenkavalier DVD I ordered from Amazon managed to get thru, independent contractor (or Scabs if you prefer) delivered it this afternoon
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
cast?
"Kurt Opsahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said: "It's inappropriate for the government to be awarding a contract conditioned upon an agreement to an illegal program. That truly is what's going on here.""
And don't forget, pre-9/11.
i'm with sitten. warning plz for all 'bad things happen to pupppies/children' links. some of us are truly bleeding hearts.
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yup,have been since i was a small child myself...was always made fun of...suffering is just so pointless
Quest, AT&T have big risk management offices - so WHY did these lawyers just look the other way the minute Bush dropped into office via 5 Supreme Court Justices appointment?
Hey, I say sue em, they knew it was illegal but they didn't care. These companies would have people go off quitely to prison.
Bush violate his oath of office without the handy excuse of terrorism - WHY? I like to know.
Makes me wonder if Justice Saclia and maybe 4 other Supreme Court Justices didn't give Bushie the Office of President for purely financial reasons. Did they get oil stocks other favors?
Bush has been nothing but Mafia con-game since day one.
Hey kidz!! get to your Teevees whilst there' still time for this fantastic line-up on CSPAN's BookTeeVee:
12:00 PM 1 hr, 13 min Ayn Rand Panel 1 "Atlas Shrugged"
Authors: Nigel Ashford; Mimi Gladstein; Anne Heller; Edward Hudgins; David Kelly
1:10 PM 1 hr, 14 min Ayn Rand Panel 2 "Atlas Shrugged"
Authors: Tibor Machan; David Mayer; Douglas Rasmussen; William Thomas
2:25 PM 1 hr, 13 min Ayn Rand Panel 4 "Atlas Shrugged"
Authors: Edward Crane; John Fund; Fred Smith
what? No Carmela Hairspray? I ain't watchin'!!
okay, must go do stuff. later bats and battistas!
OK, it's way too nice for me to be sitting here reading.
If I don't go for a nice long run outdoors now, the whole day's going to pass me by and I'll be cranky for the rest of the week.
Okay, off to plant garlic. Later, all.
Long story short, seeya!
don't be jealous, Ntodd. the extra large vibrating strap on tool will always be for you alone.
You can grow garlic? Interesting.
Geez, mention Ayn Rand and you clear the room.
cast?
madamab | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:05 pm | #
Francisco Araiza, Brigitte Fassbaender, Gwyneth Jones, Manfred Jungwirth, Benno Kusche
1979, Conducted by Carlos Kleiber
Oooookay. CBS has bought the term, "the cackle" to describe what they otherwise call a "bellylaugh."
Now, having heard Hillary's louder laugh, it is not to my ear a "cackle," which I tend to think sounds more like the stereotypical witch's laugh.
So, obviously, "cackle" is being used to bring up that image--witch, which rhymes with bitch--not to accurately describe Hillary's actual vocalizations, or laughter.
I really think the public can see through this form of harangue by the MCM*--and just may increase sympathy for her, especially among women who will see exactly what the MCMers are doing here. And can see it being applied to them as well.
*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media; MCMers--members of the MCM
don't be jealous, Ntodd. the extra large vibrating strap on tool will always be for you alone.
It's getting hot in here.........
.
this one - Der Rosenkavalier - Richard Strauss [1979]
Has there ever been anyone more boring than Ayn Rand? That dessicated doyem of libertarian drivel????
And Clinton was impeached for what???
Winning two elections.
Animal Control Solution owner Julio Diaz said he went to the bridge when he heard of the allegations, but remains unconvinced that the dead animals are the same ones his company collected.
call out the invetigators ... cause there's something in the air ...
and you know its right
and you know that's it's right
(could be satanic rituals ... we'll look into it
got any witches to burn while we got the Ronson can handy?
That dessicated doyem of libertarian drivel????
You need a "d" word for libertarian...
*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media; MCMers--members of the MCM
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shorter CBS
shes a witch....but thats the best the dems got
cackle ,cackle,CACKLE!!!!
don't be jealous, Ntodd. the extra large vibrating strap on tool will always be for you alone.
YEARRRRRRGH!
And with that, I have to zip into town to borrow some highspeed access so I can get last night's fucking Paxcast uploaded.
Has there ever been anyone more boring than Ayn Rand?
I've been curious to read it, just to see what the hell they're talking about, but people tell me the writing is awful, and there are too many good books I ain't read yet.
All 12-year-old girls should be routinely vaccinated against a virus that causes cervical cancer, government advisers will recommend next week.
Girls up to the age of 15 will also be able to request the vaccination, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is expected to say.
The committee wants children to be given the injection in schools to protect them against the human papilloma virus (HPV), which causes most cases of cervical cancer.
The vaccination programme for 12-year-olds is not due to start until September next year, and it was claimed yesterday that the delay would condemn 1,400 to develop the disease and lead to 420 of them dying.
The issue of vaccinating young girls against HPV is controversial because the virus is primarily spread through sexual contact.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../
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Has there ever been anyone more boring than Ayn Rand? That dessicated doyem of libertarian drivel????
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Tom Friedman?
So our President had the foresight to be concerned about the shoddy intelligence apparatus left him by the clintoon misadministration? And he decided to do about it.
Sometimes I think Democrats wish more Americans had died on 9/11.
That dessicated doyem of libertarian drivel????
You need a "d" word for libertarian...
Dumbass?
'kay, now I'm really leaving.
"Tom Friedman?"
You see his article about the Q generation?
You need a "d" word for libertarian...
dave™©
dolt? dunce? dunderhead? do do? doofus? delinquent living in mommy's basement?
l8trz,
off to the shower and then the farmers market for some coffee.
Shorter Atrios: I'll bitch about President Bush allegedly doing nothing about terrorism prior to 9/11, but then I'll bitch if it comes out he was taking anti-terroristic measures prior to 9/11. Nitpicking public servants is fun!
And if it turns out that the vast majority of those phone taps were on, say, American citizens, or, God forbid, Democratic politicians, that's OK by you, right?
Well, guess what, President Clinton is gonna have those very same powers, isn't she? Say, if you have nothing to hide, what's gonna be your problem, huh? Ah, but then we'll see the Mighty Wurlitzer up in arms about the abuse of executive power.
For my part, I don't want any president or any party to have the power to tap phones, intercept email, open letters or otherwise ignore the fourth amendment. The FISA law in its original incarnation allowed 72 hours of unlimited stuff, and only then did the court have to rule. But not even this, retroactively OK'ing the taps, was enough for this monstrous and lawless administration.
There is no pit deep enough to bury these swine, who use the greatest document of our country as toilet paper.
I really think the public can see through this form of harangue by the MCM*--and just may increase sympathy for her, especially among women who will see exactly what the MCMers are doing here. And can see it being applied to them as well.
*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media; MCMers--members of the MCM
jawbone
Let us hope so. A cackle would be more of a high-pitched laugh according to my "How to Spot a Witch" book.
The Swiss proudly call their country the world's most direct democracy.
But a week before a general election, the political battle has become all too direct — complete with tear gas, burning barricades and street battles between police and anti-racism campaigners.
"It was extraordinary," said Dinu Gautier, one of the protesters. "There were thousands of people. Some were putting up barricades in the street and the police were trying to clear the way with tear gas and water cannon."
The descent into violence last week came as Switzerland's most powerful party, the Right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP), marched into the city centre to hold a rally.
Protesters blocked the route. They blame a handful of yobs for hijacking their peaceful demonstration.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...3/
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Is anyone going to bother mentioning to it that Clinton's intelligence people, Anthony Lake and Richard Clarke and several others, tried to warn Chimply and Kindasuseless about AQ, but they weren't intersted?
"Tom Friedman?"
You see his article about the Q generation?
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no, do i have to?
i dont sit up there where the air is rareified
While channel surfing the news last night, I stopped to see what Katie Couric was saying about Social Security.
She commented the current generation of payees were likely to have a "negative payout." IOW, they would not receive back as much as they put in.
She did not however point out that with some modifications, described by Paul Krugman on several occasions, that payout could change.
Of course spending $1 trillion on the Iraq War and another $1 trillion on tax cuts for the rich, kind of hampers the proper funding of SS.
jim, i tried to read rand, back in the day. it was...really boring. i quit at 100 pages. my rule is if i'm not hooked by the first 100, i'm moving on to another book.
you're making the right decision. there's nothing in them you don't already know.
,I.You need a "d" word for libertarian...
"dribbletarian" ?
*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media; MCMers--members of the MCM
jawbone
I like a good bellylaugh - mine as well as others!
no, do i have to?
i dont sit up there where the air is rareified
sittenprettyfarmeress
I think that's the one where he blames college kids (Generation Q for "quiet") for not stopping the war he campaigned for.
Labour today signals a major shift in policy as a cabinet minister calls for married couples to get tax incentives from the Government in recognition of the benefits their children and society gain as a result of the union.
In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Andy Burnham, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, says there is a "moral case" for promoting the traditional family through the tax system. "I think marriage is best for kids," he says. "It’s not wrong that the tax system should recognise commitment and marriage."
His comments will be seen as a sign that Gordon Brown intends to seize another area of policy from David Cameron, following his raids on Tory proposals for cutting inheritance tax, penalising non-domiciled workers and introducing a flight levy.
The Conservative leader has promised to put support for marriage and the family at the heart of his manifesto for the next general election.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
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The issue of vaccinating young girls against HPV is controversial because the virus is primarily spread through sexual contact.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../ ncervix113.xml
Moonbootica, Der Rosenkavalier
just remember while they're saying it that they do because they want to feign they care cause they're dying to get at her
cause they're oh so good ... and they're oh so fine ... and they're oh so healthy in their body and their minds
and the world respects these men about town doing the things they do so conservatively
Sometimes I think Democrats wish more Americans had died on 9/11.
pud | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:11 pm | #
Not true, but we'd cheerfully have made an exception for you.
Let us hope so. A cackle would be more of a high-pitched laugh according to my "How to Spot a Witch" book.
Lime Rickey
The media whores got their sound tracks mixed up "by accident". It is actually Rudy! who has the cackle.
speaking of phone taps: did they pass that retroactive immunity law for the telcos? i've been mostly not following politics for a lil while, and so i missed it if they did.
no, do i have to?
i dont sit up there where the air is rareified
sittenprettyfarmeress
I think that's the one where he blames college kids (Generation Q for "quiet") for not stopping the war he campaigned for.
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oh ya know he is teh funny
maybe i should read him for some belly laughs ,like i do bartcop
Sometimes I think Democrats wish more Americans had died on 9/11.
pud | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:11 pm | #
Not true, but we'd cheerfully have made an exception for you.
Janet sure wishes that were so, doesn't she, Brian?
(read: they don't like wearing rubbers) and the hunting club agrees
I gotta go bash around some of the lunktards that post on the Arizona Republic, then feed the cats. Or maybe the other way around... more coffee first!
I love you people. Sniff. But mankind canot live on just one website alone. No matter how nutritialiscious you are.
no coffee yet - my only excuse for not closing my i tags properly...
I think that's the one where he blames college kids (Generation Q for "quiet") for not stopping the war he campaigned for.
Jim, Collieresque | 10.13.07 - 12:14 pm | #
I really don't understand how Friedman can go out in public anymore, especially since that "suck it, Iraq" clip started circulating.
Man, I'd be too embarassed to live, let alone continue pontificating...
Oh, good! "Ask Dr. Pud" is here!
Dear Dr. Pud, is blaming Islamofascists for the mildew ring in my tub going too far, or not far enough?
speaking of phone taps: did they pass that retroactive immunity law for the telcos? i've been mostly not following politics for a lil while, and so i missed it if they did.
chicago dyke
just saw this
Durbin: No Immunity For Telecoms ‘Until We Understand What The Program Has Been About’
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10...telco-immunity/
Hopefully, Dodd was serious about a good old-fashioned Mr Smith filibuster
Remind who is wishing for another 9/11?
Oh. The reichtards, that's who.
~
Man, I'd be too embarassed to live, let alone continue pontificating...
steve simels | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:17 pm | #
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hahahahahaha
all the doormen,and chauffers still bow and scrape to lordy faunteroy
HE DOESNT REALLY MIX WITH ORDINARY FOLK
You need a "d" word for libertarian...
Really! You people are so hooked on alliterations!
Ok. Ok. I'll do it. "Dessicated doyem of dystopian drivel."
That's the best I can do.
British workers could lose their right to work more than 48 hours a week and have to forfeit lucrative overtime because of the EU Reform Treaty which Gordon Brown is due to sign next week.
In a report on the treaty —which is expected to be agreed by Mr Brown and 26 other European heads of state in Lisbon on Friday — a parliamentary committee says it is "quite possible" that the UK's special deal on working hours could be successfully challenged in the European Court of Justice.
This is likely to infuriate business leaders who believe that Britain's "opt out" from the European Working Time Directive is a key reason for the competitiveness of the UK economy.
It will also increase demands for the British people to be granted a referendum on the Treaty, which The Daily Telegraph has called for. The warning that Britain's exemption from EU employment rules could face legal challenges has been raised by the House of Commons European scrutiny committee, which examines European documents before they become law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
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I really don't understand how Friedman can go out in public anymore, especially since that "suck it, Iraq" clip started circulating.
Man, I'd be too embarassed to live, let alone continue pontificating...
steve simels
Pontificating with his thumb in his mouth, even.
speaking of phone taps: did they pass that retroactive immunity law for the telcos? i've been mostly not following politics for a lil while, and so i missed it if they did.
chicago dyke
Pelosi and Reid do Bush's bidding on the war and FISA so why won't they give lawless corporations a get out of jail free card?
Ok. Ok. I'll do it. "Dessicated doyem of dystopian drivel."
That's the best I can do.
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oh..............
phrasegasm!!!!!!!!!
simels- that sounds like a good action. perhaps some Code Pink type group could follow him around (he lives in NYC?) with rotten eggs and tomatoes, and give him a taste of what we all think about him down here in non-billionaire's ho land.
simels- that sounds like a good action. perhaps some Code Pink type group could follow him around (he lives in NYC?) with rotten eggs and tomatoes, and give him a taste of what we all think about him down here in non-billionaire's ho land.
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i think he has OOOOOOODLES of acres in Chevy Chase????
simels- that sounds like a good action. perhaps some Code Pink type group could follow him around (he lives in NYC?)
Silver Spring, MD, I do believe....
thanks jim!
(people are so helpful and friendly here, it's very nice)
prolly a 10,000sft...pied a terre in Manhatten too
I think that's the one where he blames college kids (Generation Q for "quiet") for not stopping the war he campaigned for.
Jim, Collieresque
Wait a minute, I thought college kids were supposed to be a bunch of whacko tree huggin', mink feein' commies brainwashed into radical activism by their looney left perfessers.
What changed since last week?
sittenpretty,
Has got to be a fun person to be around!
awww shucks tweren't nuthin really
Something worth watching on Book TV, tomorrow night
10:00 PM 1 hr, 9 min Memorial Tribute to Molly Ivins
Authors: Lou Dubose; Molly Ivins
sittenpretty,
Has got to be a fun person to be around!
Rudy | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:24 pm | #
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you too!
Income disparity in the US reaches record levels
OT, but "It's a Small World" at Disneyland is about to shut down for close to a year for renovations. And why the need for renovations, you ask? Well, two reasons...
While the 41 year old structure and facility could certainly use some new paint and TLC, the main reasons behind this refurbishment aren't the addition of more glitter to the sets and false eyelashes to the can-can girls. The real reason the ride will be closed for so long is because after 43 years of near continual use, the original flume and fleet of boats used at the 1964-65 New York World's Fair have finally neared the end of their long, useful life. As hard as it may be to believe, those fiberglass boats and the trough they travel through are the originals from the World's Fair, with only a few minor modifications made over the decades. The project will require major demolition to take place inside the sprawling warehouse that houses the ride, and it will actually require a race to the finish to complete the huge project in the 10 months of allotted time.
And for the Cast Members operating the ride, those new boats and the new flume can't come soon enough because the new flume will be one inch deeper, and the new boats will be lighter and more buoyant. Many people who have ridden it's a small world in the past few years may have encountered a situation where their boat comes to a stop as all the boats back up for some unknown reason. The reason for the frequent breakdowns on the ride isn't unknown however, and it isn't very flattering to the modern American psyche.
The boats and flume of Disneyland's it's a small world were originally designed in 1963 and installed for use at the New York World's Fair in 1964 and '65. The Americans riding in those pastel boats almost 45 years ago were much slimmer than those boarding the same boats now. While the CM's operating the ride try their very best to eyeball the girth and size of the riders coming down the line and purposely leave a row or two empty on many boats nowadays to hopefully keep them floating, even those discreet tactics don't always work with today's riders.
Quite simply, the boats weren't designed to handle multiple adults weighing more than 200 pounds, and they now routinely bottom out in the shallow flume and get stuck. The Imagineers who designed the unique flume ride system for the World's Fair assumed that adult men would average 175 pounds, and adult women would average 135 pounds. Needless to say, those 1960's statistics are hopelessly out of date in today's world...
There really should be a way to hold Bushboy and Cheneychins accountable for their numerous crimes.
Wasn't there that thing, you know ... they called it "The US Constitution."
I think that's the one where he blames college kids (Generation Q for "quiet") for not stopping the war he campaigned for.
Jim, Collieresque
I didn't even know Generation X was over yet.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wait wait
i have the perfect description of the moustache.........................................
..................................................
.................................quaint!
i suppose people have already seen this:
In "A Time to Lead: For Duty, Honor and Country," published by Palgrave Macmillan last month, the former four-star general recalls two visits to the Pentagon following the terrorist attacks of September 2001. On the first visit, less than two weeks after Sept. 11, he writes, a "senior general" told him, "We're going to attack Iraq. The decision has basically been made."
Six weeks later, Clark returned to Washington to see the same general and inquired whether the plan to strike Iraq was still under consideration. The general's response was stunning:
"'Oh, it's worse than that,' he said, holding up a memo on his desk. 'Here's the paper from the Office of the Secretary of Defense [then Donald Rumsfeld] outlining the strategy. We're going to take out seven countries in five years.' And he named them, starting with Iraq and Syria and ending with Iran."
While Clark doesn't name the other four countries, he has mentioned in televised interviews that the hit list included Lebanon, Libya, Somalia and Sudan
i really wonder if president hillary will be persuaded to have a Draft.
I'm off to some tennis. See you bats soon...
hahahahahahahaha
quaint....
pleasingly or strikingly old-fashioned or unfamiliar
The Conservatives are about to focus on tax cuts for 1.6 million earners in Middle England who have been dragged into higher rates of tax since Labour came to power by the failure of Gordon Brown to keep raising thresholds in line with increasing pay.
Teachers, policemen and some nurses have been dragged into the higher tax bracket of 40 per cent on their earnings, leading to dissatisfaction with the Government across the middle classes, according to the Tories. The Chancellor has been able to take an extra £30bn into Treasury coffers over the past decade, but the figures will intensify the backlash against the pre-Budget report which threatens Mr Brown with a revolt and a Commons battle in the new year over taxation.
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...icle3055773.ece
I'm off to some tennis. See you bats soon...
Rudy | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:29 pm | #
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dont forget to stretch first!
The Imagineers who designed the unique flume ride system for the World's Fair assumed that adult men would average 175 pounds, and adult women would average 135 pounds. Needless to say, those 1960's statistics are hopelessly out of date in today's world...
dave™©
Fat, stupid, and lazy...it's the American way!
ChiDy--Firedoglake has been all over the FISA legislation--like a duck on a June bug.
It seems to be they're going to give BushCo the right to "basket warrants," meaning they can just group targets or create a class--not totally clear on that.
The BIG check (oh, yeah, right) is that after 45 days of tapping--or whatever the sweeping is called nowadays--the government must go to a FISA court and get a warrant. Which mean, if I read it right for wiggle room, they 44 or 45 days to tap us, then pause a day or so, and go back in for another 44-45 days--with no warrant.
Sounds pretty much like warrantless wiretapping to me.
Then, re: telco immunity (which encompasses all the government types involved, inclduding BushBoy, AGAG, NSA, etc., per comment here), the House is demanding to be given documentation about what the telcos did before they'll pass that part. Or, maybe saying, getting immunity is based on some Congresscritters giving them the OK after reading the real dope.
However, it all sounds very iffy to me--and the House turned down the ACLU backed version offered by Rush Holt which would have had more limits of wiretapping, voiding the "basked warrants" thing--which as I mentioned I can't precisely describe.
So, anyone else have better info--please let me know!
i must go repot some ivy...........................i LOVE IVY!!!!!!!! variagated of course
Oh drat. Only "45" was to have been bolded.
Previewing can be a really good thing....
the 1964-65 New York World's Fair.
I went to the 1964 World's Fair! But I was really little. Honest, I'm not quite as old as Simels.
~
Fat, stupid, and lazy...it's the American way!
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i for one love and appreciate you!
just sayin
sittenpretty,
Has got to be a fun person to be around!
Rudy | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:24 pm | #
You have no idea.
Easy on the eyes, too...
Ms Obama heads for London to raise funds
The Imagineers who designed the unique flume ride system for the World's Fair assumed that adult men would average 175 pounds, and adult women would average 135 pounds. Needless to say, those 1960's statistics are hopelessly out of date in today's world...
dave™©
That's why Columbus only had slim young Spanish boys aboard the Santa Maria.
I went to the 1964 World's Fair! But I was really little. Honest, I'm not quite as old as Simels.
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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:32 pm |
I preferred the '39 Fair.
The Trilon and Perisphere totally rocked!!!
Joe Klein may indeed be "very serious," but talk about BRILLIANT, read this piece by Bob Herbert, called "The Trivial Pursuit, in the NY Times today.
When I heard that Mr. Gore had won the Nobel, my thoughts wandered to the younger Mr. Bush and to Rudolph Giuliani, who is leading the current field of Republican presidential candidates.
Mr. Bush came to mind because, for all of the obvious vulnerabilities he exhibited in 2000, it was not him but Mr. Gore who was mocked unmercifully by the national media. And the mockery had nothing to do with the former vice president’s positions on important policy issues. He was mocked because of his personality.
In the race for the highest office in the land, we showed the collective maturity of 3-year-olds.
Mr. Gore was taken to task for his taste in clothing and for such grievous offenses as sighing or, allegedly, rolling his eyes. It was a given that at a barbecue everyone would rush to be with his opponent.
We’ve paid a heavy price. The president who got such high marks as a barbecue companion doesn’t seem to know up from down. He’s hurled the nation into a ruinous war that has cost countless lives and spawned a whole new generation of terrorists. He continues to sit idly by as a historic American city, New Orleans, remains wounded and on its knees. He’s blithely steered the nation into a bottomless pit of debt.
That's why Columbus only had slim young Spanish boys aboard the Santa Maria.
Lime Rick
Well hola sailors!!
You have no idea.
Easy on the eyes, too...
steve simels | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:33 pm | #
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danke
i have banned you ntodd,and blastoff guy from being in the same possee
you guys are x rated!
I'm off to some tennis. See you bats soon...
Rudy
real tennis or mime tennis?
if you believe you can hear the ball bounce
if I misdirect please throw me the ball after it bounces to you .. what could it hurt?
life's just a game ... you can fly a paper plane and there is no end
mime replanting...l8tr
You mean they LIED? Who would ever believe such a thing?
It sounds pretty far-fetched, to be sure.
NTodd, NLC
More like "Near Fetched".
Thank you, George Carlin.
i for one love and appreciate you!
just sayin
sittenprettyfarmeress
you mean...not EVERYONE does?
...sniff....
We’ve paid a heavy price. The president who got such high marks as a barbecue companion doesn’t seem to know up from down.
Don't forget the beer quaffing.
What's all this talk about eye-rack, anyways?
And with that, I'm going outside!
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I went to the 1964 World's Fair! But I was really little. Honest, I'm not quite as old as Simels.
I was there, too. First time I ever saw anyone throwing a Frisbee.
In the race for the highest office in the land, we showed the collective maturity of 3-year-olds.
Translated Bob Herbert: Hey, Maureen, go fuck yourself!
sittenprettyfarmeress:
I'm gonna let you in on a very embarassing secret.
When you showed up at Eschacon -- Friday, when you were registering, if memory serves -- I took my first look at you, and immediately turned to whoever I was with (Vicki, I think) and blurted out "Wow -- who's the blonde cupcake?"
I have never talked like that in my life, before or since.
Draft Gore movement is getting over 20,000 signatures a day at this point - will hit 200,000 this weekend, if not later today. Just checked - it's at 198,000+! Jesus Christ! That is huge!
So Nacchio admits 911 was his fault. Somebody needs to drive by his house and see what kinda kitchen counter tops he has.
[/lil' lulu]
Translated Bob Herbert: Hey, Maureen, go fuck yourself!
Jim, Collieresque | 10.13.07 - 12:39 pm | #
Ain't that the truth.
Jew-baiting owls!
I was with (Vicki, I think) and blurted out "Wow -- who's the blonde cupcake?"
I vaguely remember this!
I was there, too. First time I ever saw anyone throwing a Frisbee.
Toonscribe
Frisbee definitely went over (no pun intended) alot better than Jarts (lawn darts)
ouch ... wars that skylab or di you just miss (snark intended)
I preferred the '39 Fair.
The Trilon and Perisphere totally rocked!!!
steve simels | Homepage | 10.13.07 - 12:34 pm | #
You betcha! I did a Master's thesis project on the '39 Fair ... if you go out to the site in Queens, you can still find cobblestones with the Fair's "street" names engraved in them. Pretty cool, actually. I also have GM's "World of Tomorrow" on videotape somewhere ... it's funny to see how they predicted what 1964 would be like.
I remember when Frisbies were called Pluto Platters, and before that they were just pie pans.And yes i'm way older than Simels.
"are you as hairy below the belt as on your face?"-David Broder to Joe Klein
CEAUSESCU, anyone?
Joe Klein once suggested that George W. get the Nobel Peace Prize.
So, shortly after entering the White House and at the same time BushCo was meeting secretly with oil company executives to discuss "energy" profiteering, BushCo was also meeting secretly with telecommunications executives to map out BushCo's FISA-skirting strategy for spying on U.S. citizens.
I'm not surprised.
At the same time these secret power-grabbing and profit-grabbing top-level BushCo meetings were occurring in early 2001, BushCo demoted the counter-terrorism chief, Richard Clarke, to a basement office and locked him out of cabinet-level principals meetings.
At the same time these secret power-grabbing and profit-grabbing BushCo principals meetings were occurring, BushCo stopped holding the thrice-weekly cabinet-level counter-terrorism meetings that Bill Clinton's administration had been holding to address the right-wing al Qaeda terrorist threat. BushCo only held ONE such meeting ONE week before the 9/11 attacks.
Now we know what was distracting the criminals in BushCo to such an extent before 9/11 that BushCo literally aided and abetted the 9/11 hijackers.
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