I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Moe?
Moe!
I even read the post.
'Mo Moe.
That's enough.
Prank caller nearly starts Indo-Pak war
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20081...0Yna6MvHd5vaA8F
Called sheets.
Good Morning.
Even 8:44 is early for a Saturday morning....I'm goin' back to bed.
It's 6:50 here. Animals need feed.
Boop boop a doop.
senior Congressional aides said that the money would most likely come from $25 billion in federally subsidized loans intended for developing fuel-efficient cars.
er, does that mean we won't get the fuel-efficient cars?
Rather than a packaged bailout, Congress should instead just commit to replacing the entire federal vehicle fleet with electric and electric-hybrid vehicles by, say, 2011. The, let all the car companies-- foreign and domestic alike-- bid on supplying the vehicles. It would be such an infusion of cash into the industry that even if some companies go bankrupt, others would buy up their plants and employ their workers.
Talk about throwing money down a hole.
i just love the already assumed helplessness and powerlessness stance assumed by the majority dems. they "hope" hank will help out homeowners, because, you know, they have no oversight or legislative abilities to mandate such. perhaps we should send each of them a begging bowl and a little cotton cap, and a copy of the musical "oliver?"
I got the slanties.
Democrats are hoping
That's not a plan.
FUCK HOPE.
Yah, Moe, Good idea; but, they're not thinking creatively or constructively or strategically. Just throw the money at old routines and antiquated solutions. They already know how to make decent electric cars ... just muley about doing so.
moe, that idea is just too sensible and logical. no villager could possibly understand it.
a copy of the musical "oliver?"
We did watch "Meet Me in St Louis" last evening.
Two nuclear-armed countries going to war over a crank phone call...
Shitfire.
The Oregon Motor pool used to be mostly K-cars; one sees lots of Priuses these days.
Do ya think Bush actually collects Democratic testicles in a jar in his bedroom?
If I believed there was actually a lick of difference between Dims and ReThugs I would have to admit that the current Democratic "leadership" is the most impotent, pathetic bunch of fucking losers I have ever seen in my lifetime.
The word eunuch comes to mind for some reason....
To get those short-term loans, however, the UAW had to make concessions.
I don't see that the Wall St. companies' employees, especially the top dawgs, had to make such concessions.
Two nuclear-armed countries going to war over a crank phone call...
Shitfire.
Wuh?
I hope you didn't watch Hollywood's version of Leon Uris' version of the origins of the current Middle East conflict.
Three-word review: Piece O' Shit.
better living through chemistry!
hey ST00PIT dems, lucy (hank) has the football all lined up, go on, kick it!
I'm not putting all my hopes in the Obama basket, particularly not if he doesn't put some spurs to dem' Dem's in Congress.
Link in the last thread to a Yahoo News article, JTC.
Helicopter Duvvuri strikes again
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/ne...QVCw&
refer=home
Ah, thanks plantsman.
they're not thinking creatively or constructively or strategically
i think it's worse than that. i think they're are actively shutting out people who are suggesting ideas like Moe's, out of pure and childish Village social hierachy related pettiness. people with good ideas but lacking in Village social cred don't get invited to the meetings, their memos don't get read, and the entrenched villagers actively mock and berate their ideas. like the "echo chamber" and "frat house" combined, if you will.
I don't see that the Wall St. companies' employees, especially the top dawgs, had to make such concessions.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Uh
Huh.
Dog, we're fucked.
Good morning.
I was reading an article in Rolling Stone about how Prop 8 got defeated.
Here's the link again -- India and Pakistan nearly went to war over Thanksgiving due to a hoax call
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20081...0Yna6MvHd5vaA8F
if you think that sucks
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ful...9659C8B63&
fta=y
Damned stupid Dell "seasonal" ad. They shun a great countertenor after coercing him into their holiday song. Why is this so fucking funny?
Good morning. 
Off to brave the great outdoors.
Toodles.
Gentlemen, Beware of the Doghouse.
I hate that ad, too.
Here's the link again -- India and Pakistan nearly went to war over Thanksgiving due to a hoax call
Sarah went all French due to a hoax call.
it is also fair to say that the Times reporting is not something to be utterly relied upon.
"ike the "echo chamber" and "frat house" combined, if you will."
Bullies all, perhaps. I experienced that frustration in a recent conversation with our senior MT senator, Max Baucus, it was like was being sucked into some sophmoric debate with him when I was only suggesting a few ideas regarding energy efficiency, such as federal subsidies for roof-top solar panels for homes of ordinary folks .... I had a similar discussion with Senator John Tester a year ago. He seemed open to the idea, but then he hasn't been in Washington for a decades that Max - our favorite invertebrate - has been.
Please! Everyone knew this was coming.
Can anyone remember the last time Congress consisdered more than $10 billion in any one bill for one matter and said no? It just does not happen. The commissions are just too juicy.
Dog, we're fucked.
V for Virginia
And not in that good way, neither.
Not too keen on the HP TouchMagic computer or whatever its called, either.
I think that someday we ought to have a Constitution that gives us a Congress which actually has a legislative role and not just an advisory capacity. Seems like it would be a good idea.
Gentlemen, Beware of the Doghouse.
Is that Col. Tigh on BSG?
Speaking of commercials, I have to mention the seasonal Salvation Army ad, which flat enthralls me every time I see it. I think it is beautifully done.
A scarily high-pitched car alarm just went off.
Is that Col. Tigh on BSG?
Sufferin' Succotash
I've never seen it.
God damn it. Paulson will continue to shovel cash into his pal's pockets. God damn it.
A scarily high-pitched car alarm just went off.
My telephone receiver just emitted a high-pitched whine...
Gentlemen, Beware of the Doghouse.
jac | 12.06.08 - 9:02 am | #
--
Puke. What is that an advert for?
I have to mention the seasonal Salvation Army ad, which flat enthralls me every time I see it. I think it is beautifully done.
is that the one where the closet case director fires the long time worker because he came out, and tosses a muslim woman and her two kids out on the street because she won't allow them to attend mandatory bible study classes? /snark/
UPI.com ^ | Dec. 6, 2008
Geologists say a discovery in a cave near Jerusalem suggests climate change may have caused the fall of the Roman and Byzantine Empires. Geochemical analysis of a stalagmite from Soreq Cave in the Stalactite Cave Nature Reserve reveals increasingly dry weather from A.D. 100 to A.D. 700 that coincided with the fall of both Roman and Byzantine rule in the region, the University of Wisconsin-Madison said Friday.
Wrong. The Romans had too much lead in their pipes.
What is that an advert for?
rootless-e
I assume jewelry. I didn't look at the web site.
Thank goodness Nancy and Steny didn't waste any of their dry powder on this minor matter. It would have been foolhardy to take on the Bush administration juggernaut at this time.
Also, it is good to know that Hanky Hank's banking buddies will be getting their $20 million self-administered Christmas bonuses on time.
I loved this line:
none of the normal checks on establishing callers' identities before putting them through to the president were carried out because of the urgency of the situation
Maybe that IS the time to do the checks?
People iz so stupid sometime.
Geologists say a discovery in a cave near Jerusalem suggests climate change may have caused the fall of the Roman and Byzantine Empires.
I think it's because all the dinosaurs died off with Jesus, so they had no food.
I loved this line:
none of the normal checks on establishing callers' identities before putting them through to the president were carried out because of the urgency of the situation
Maybe that IS the time to do the checks?
People iz so stupid sometime.
GuyInMilwaukee
"You fucked up - you trusted us!"
Point taken, Chi D.
huzzah! i've never been so pleased to arrive and work and hear the shitty top forty channel playing!
deliverance from xmas-music, at least for the moment.
have a good one, kids.
A.D. 100 to A.D. 700 that coincided with the fall of both Roman and Byzantine
um, that doesn't really make any sense. "coincide" isn't a word i'd use when talking about a 600 year stetch of time, yo. i'm sure the theory is a little more complicated than that.
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeets
That doghouse ad is spooky.
I for one will welcome our jewelery-loving overlords.
Have a better day, stoat.
I've been looking around to get a sense of the federal vehicle fleet, and discovered this, from last month:
The federal government has invested billions of dollars over the past 16 years, building a fleet of 112,000 alternative-fuel vehicles to serve as a model for a national movement away from fossil fuels.
But the costly effort to put more workers into vehicles powered by ethanol and other fuel alternatives has been fraught with problems, many of them caused by buying vehicles before fuel stations were in place to support them, a Washington Post analysis of federal records shows....
The latest generations of alternative vehicles have compounded the problem. Often, the vehicles come only with larger engines than the ones they replaced in the fleet. Consequently, the federal program -- known as EPAct -- has sometimes increased gasoline consumption and emission rates, the opposite of what was intended.
The EPAct program offers a cautionary tale as President-elect Barack Obama promises to kill dependence on foreign oil and revive the economy by retooling for the green revolution, experts say.
Much the same could happen if they replaced the fleet with electric powered vehicles, without first making sure that green energy generation is in place. But it's worthwhile to proceed all the same, imo.
sheets
increasingly dry weather from A.D. 100 to A.D. 700 that coincided with the fall of both Roman and Byzantine rule in the region
Of course. There is always - ALWAYS! - a single, simple reason that big changes happen over hundreds of years.
But usually it's the rock in my pocket.
"rong. The Romans had too much lead in their pipes.
Lime Rickey | 12.06.08 - 9:13 am | # "
Perhaps it was that they had crack in their pipes.
'mornin'
The Democrats fell victim, and allowed themselves to fall victim, to a Republican willingness to use holds and filibusters unique in American history, combined with Bush's vision of the unitary executive and his appalling policies. They brought knives to a gunfight, and, having their butts handed them again and again, kept right on doing it.
They would have been in a far superior political position had they fought, publicly and vigorously, against this Republican obstructionism and malfeasance. As it is, they are seen as partly, if not wholly, to blame, in the bemusing context of Republican calls to preserve checks and balances and striving for bipartisanship.
Further, they would have reestablished a Congressional check against an executive that, for all time, has been demonstrated to be capable of extraordinary incompetence and outright evil. One of my worries is that they so obviously wait for Obama, a (yes) executive, to lead them out of the wilderness. Policies will improve, but the fell changes consequent to Bush assertions of presidential power are being perpetuated rather than challenged. And the ideal time to challenge them is during the last days of the failed, discredited lame duck Bush presidency, rather than during the start-up of the most promising Democrat we've seen in a long time.
Reid and Pelosi gotta go.... now.
As Moe pointed out, but not just the Fed's. How bout having cities and states replace their vehicles with electric cats and giving taxi companies tax breaks to replace their fleets with electric cars? There are already companies selling them.
Of course, I think one thing that is going to happen is that innumerable small businesses are going to go bust or close to it this Christmas. The company I work for really does make 40% of its sales from Thanksgiving to New Years normally. It is looking like a disaster right now. We are down from last year by around 66% this first week.
I doubt there is going to be any relief for us and all the companies like us. You put in all these years and mostly it's the law of the jungle, except for the lawmakers and their friends. How many times in your life are you supposed to pick yourself up, rejoin the herd and keep on going?
I'll be impressed when Paulson can stick with a plan for more than two weeks.
Hammered homeowners need help, but mortgages are maybe one percent of the overall financial morass.
Huh? Paulson won't have to produce a detailed PLAN?
WTF?
Oh, yeah. Banksters are different...bcz they really know what they're doing and had nothing to do with getting us into this clusterfuck. That was all those unionized industries, right?
There is an stunning difference in the treatment of these two types of businesses. Amazing, but true to Villager values.
Hope and change. Hope for change. The more things change the more they remain the same...?
Kathleen Parker was on NPR this morning waxing eloquent about the wondrous Obama (He has a calming effect of everyone around him!) and his nominations/appointments. When asked whether these represented the change voters had been hoping for, she said --and this is right out of Obama's recent statements-- that Obama IS the Change.
Kathleen Parker, folks! Is this part of some kind of Rovian psyops program?
Anyway, if Obama IS the Change, it kind of says that if he is the Change, there won't necessarily be other change. And that may be what's making the NeoCons, conservative pundits, and many Repubs and Villagers very, very happy.
Nancy and Reid took the money right out of $ 25 billion Obama wanted to set aside for restructing - only NONE of it is restructioning money - it's get though holiday money so Reid and Nancy don't have do mess up their vacation time with work related projects.
Another gift to big oil, keep making those gas guzzling Hummers and such, (like that Hummer plant in Latin American where we all know Mr. Wagoner wants put all GM plants).
It doesn't matter how many Dems we get into office, Harry Reid and Nancy will NEVER stand-up to Republicans and corporations. Is anything really going to change when Obama takes office because so far, it's not looking like change at all?
They just handed them the money, no restriction at ALL. Reid and Pelosi NEVER, EVER do ANYTHING.
Mother. Fucking. Pussies.
releasing another penny into the hands of paulson to reward his treacherous slimy wall street cronies is just disgusting.
.
Hoping? Why are Washington Dems hoping. Time to step up and tell him how it will be used or he doesn't get the money. The possibility for more damage by not moving forward now is great but more policy failure by Paulson doesn't really forestall that.
Democrats are hoping...
Rarely is the question asked, is our Democrats learning.
Answer seems to be "apparently not..."
The Turn-coat Blue Dog Democrats and Mangy Red Dog Republicans Strike Again!!!
This evil paleo-political, neo-fascist bloc controls Congress, and will probably still control Congress next year.
One of the ringleaders of this paleo-political, neo-fascist, pro-corporate, anti-union worker group, and why he gets to keep his Senate committee chair, is Joe Lieberman.
Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, is a member of this group.
Many of the selections President-elect Obama has made, on the advice of Emanuel, are members of this group.
And mangy Blue Dog Democrats are as much lapdogs to corporate lobbyists as Republicans...except of course the Detroit corporate heads who have that added "baggage" of having so many union members working for them. (I just bet that one of the behind-the-scenes Republican/Blue Dog Democrat demands made of the Big 3 Detroit CEOs, if any bail-out money were to be sent their way by Congress, was that Detroit had to de-unionize).
There is still a slim, faint hope (in my mind) that a President Barack Obama will turn out to be more a liberal-progressive Democrat than a Blue Dog Republican Democrat, but the primary reason I voted for Obama was to see all the Bush criminals kicked out of the executive branch and replaced with more liberal-leaning American citizens who actually care about our country as a whole (not just the corporate elitists), care about our Constitution and the "rule of law," and care about liberty and justice for all.
We'll see shortly.
They talk about the $35 billion dollar loan as if it means something to them, and yet did no talking about the $150 billion in pork that was tacked onto the TARP bill.
That is, the pork for TARP was more than FOUR TIMES what the Big 3 are begging for.
The aim should be to defer their collapse until a later time when the economy can better absorb it. Or give them time to reshape themselves into a form that might be attractive to a Japanese or Chinese buyer.
Characters Remaining:
Commenting by HaloScan
