I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Thankee kindlee, Avedon.
You're all reading the post, I suppose.
"They were just parroting the administration's nonsense."
said by Chafee re Dems, could so easily have referred to the press.
Too right, Ruth.
That's a smart post, Ruth.
"They were just parroting the administration's nonsense."
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I didn't get that. Any blogger knew it was nonsense, I had to wonder "didn't DEMS know?"
Aw, thanks, Avedon. You just made my day.
Moe, thnks, (blush) it has been working its way up for awhile.
Brava, Ruth.
Yay! Much better for my olden computer.
We shall be getting a new laptop soon, with a dock for home use.
From below:
I do not presume Mitt Romney is honest, I do presume he's a goody-two-shoes brownnose-ing
tattle-tale.
Good morning, kids!
I'm going to a community ed class today on running for political office.
I have said it before; I will say it again: Cabdrollery is the best-kept secret in the liberal blogosphere. I love it.
I'm going to a community ed class today on running for political office.
Molly Ivors, credulous
Wow!
You GO, girl!
(And that makes me just as happy as having our blog get a front page link.)
v. demure booby, w00t.
Kuhl, Molly! Like you don't have enough going on!
From Valerie Plame's book, the one passage that will stay with me:
I could not get Powell's speech out of my head. I told myself that there were many individuals, way above my pay grade, who had broader access to the intelligence and perhaps higher clearances and theredor had a better, more informed knowledge about the genuine state of the Iraqis' suspected weapons programs and intent to use it. Perhaps someone had managed to recruit a source deep inside Saddam's innermost circle who was providing alarming evidence of his plans. The idea that my government, which I had served loyally for years, might be exaggerating a case for war was impossible to comprehend. Nothing made sense.
I have always thought that the Dems in congress were thinking the same thing.
What did Mr. Chafee say at the time all of this was going on?
thks, all,
Avedon has ensured the entire Eschaton community is going to learn about gold in the New World destroying Spain's economy - hopefully making us all into geniuses on the U.S. economy! yay.
Diane,
Thanks! We keep saying "better Democrats, please," and Greenwald's link here proves it, so I guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is.
Molly, good on you.
I really expected this guy to be running this year. I hope he gets confirmed. Maybe I'll hit him up for a job.
Kuhl, Molly! Like you don't have enough going on!
plantsman
Advanced course: How To Use Your Kids As Campaign Volunteer Staff.
But, Spain in the New World! Genocide, potatoes, tomatoes, maize, chocolate!
Perhaps someone should remind Mr. Chafee that there was no opportunity for debate with the Repugs in charge. "You're with us or with the terrists."
I read the whole Cabdrollery post. I was very impressed.
Advanced course: How To Use Your Kids As Campaign Volunteer Staff.
Hey, they are good parade floats, plus they are wonderful for handing out lit and holding up signs at the polls.
Like you don't have enough going on!
There's that. But the babies won't be babies forever, and things will get less pressed.
Thers and I had a long talk about me taking the summer off (we usually teach summer classes, because it's extra monay) and doubling the size of the garden. Our income is secure, but not going as far as it did, and it may be that a solid source of frozen vegetables and eggs is worth more in the long run than a couple grand, which is what I'd be giving up.
and it may be that a solid source of frozen vegetables and eggs is worth more in the long run than a couple grand, which is what I'd be giving up.
Molly Ivors
It most certainly is!
And just when you're pooping out in the garden, the kale starts getting tasty from frost, the parsnips hold well in the ground....
Hey, they are good parade floats, plus they are wonderful for handing out lit and holding up signs at the polls.
Ruth
Molly and Thers' way-above-average kids are going to be manning the phones and assisting at press conferences.
Raoul thnks, and plantsman, yeh, led off with genocide, came to a bad end as deserved.
Molly and Thers' way-above-average kids are going to be manning the phones and assisting at press conferences.
Marcellina
yes, but not while wearing diapers.
We shall be getting a new laptop soon, with a dock for home use.
Barndog, now freezing rain
You should get a satellite uplink so you can tell us how the fishing is going in real time
Just wait until I know enough to write my "The Miraculous Olive" series!
It most certainly is!
The setup, with the garden over the leach field and right next to the various compost heaps, is more or less perfect, and our neighbor is generous with his cow poop. We have the space, and I think we could do it fairly simply.
Those kids are pretty independent-minded.
Lindsay; Perhaps someone should remind Mr. Chafee that there was no opportunity for debate with the Repugs in charge.
Ex.gratia - the strong arm tactics used in the Medicare Plan B lies and mugging were record thuggery.
I'm going to a community ed class today on running for political office.
Molly Ivors, credulous
That would be the most awesomest thing that was ever awesome.
yes, but not while wearing diapers.
And I promise not to dress them like John Roberts' kids.
And if you have chicken poop to fire up the compost, you'll have dynamite food for heavy-feeding plants, too.
Well, time for my breakfast and then, perhaps, my first nap of the day.
Have a great Saturday morning, bats, and, once again, good on ya, Molly!
And I promise not to dress them like John Roberts' kids
Thank Dog for that.
Ruth, brilliant post.
The lesson that all that glisters is not gold never gets learned.
And I promise not to dress them like John Roberts' kids.
Molly Ivors
That's got my vote!
plantsman, for starters, would you pls tell me about the nutritional value of olives? I had a friend argue with me, a huge olive fan, that they had none, and I know better.
That would be the most awesomest thing that was ever awesome.
V for Virginia
Finally! A good use of the word awesome.
Ack, forgot to change sockpuppets. "The Dark Lord Cheney" is actually me.
Last night I made an offhand pitch: Let's lease the house for three years and go to Tallahassee so I can get my doctorate. We'll live with BFF's mom (she'd love to have us out there).
"I don't think that would work," said he.
I'm going to a community ed class today on running for political office.
Molly Ivors
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That sounds extremely positive.
Those kids are pretty independent-minded.
There are days when I wish they were more acquiescent, but I know this will serve them better in the long run. Also, it's not bad for me to question my own requests--why *should* they do what I say without thinking about it?
Finally! A good use of the word awesome.
Raoul Paste
I tried to get it in there a third time, but my brain seems to be filled with some kind of fuzzy substance.
Molly, T-shirts with expletives deleted would be ideal kidwear, imho.
It is hard to overestimate the healthy qualities of olives. Not only do they contain more than a hundred active ingredients, including the "beauty vitamins" A and E, but they lower cholesterol and reduce the risk of cardiovascular diseases. This high nutritional value enables one to quickly regain strength from stress and overwork-which are inevitable in the fast paced conditions of modern life. And what's more, by including just ten olives a day in your diet, you are 100% guaranteed of preventing stomach ulcers
Molly, now that my garden is up and running, it won't be too much of a hassle, even with my demanding job. I'll have two pretty full weekends early on-- one in April to get all the early stuff in, another the first weekend in June to get everything else in. Otherwise, I'll weed and such in the evenings, harvest as necessary. Then a couple of weekends in the fall to put everything to rest.
And if you have chicken poop to fire up the compost, you'll have dynamite food for heavy-feeding plants, too.
And a place to put the chicken poop.
For the duration of the summer, I can definitely get rid of any excess eggs at the farmer's market--they get 4-5 bucks a dozen there.
What I know about are the fats, at moment. Olive oil is rich in Omega-9 fatty acids, which like Omega-3 acids, are very beneficial. Most commercially extracted oils are heavy in omega-6 acids, which we get more of than we should. My doctor told me to use Only EV Olive Oil in salad dressing when he diagnosed me with diabetes.
And if you have chicken poop to fire up the compost, you'll have dynamite food for heavy-feeding plants, too.
I wonder if we can get Sinfonian to make a DFH t-shirt like his stickers?
http://www.itlv.com/encyclopedia/
Your basic encycolpedia of olives.
I like slutty olive oil better--it know more about life.
Oh, and I challenged Marce and V4V at the Other Crack Den.
by including just ten olives a day in your diet, you are 100% guaranteed of preventing stomach ulcers
Barndog, now freezing rain
my martini...
Plantsman, that EV Olive oil has become de rigeuer in my kitchen too
Demagogues have been fearmongering and scapegoating their populations for centuries. Just as Bushboy and the Goopers stampeded the Dems & the press (like cattle) into supporting his insane war in Iraq.
You would think that after thousands of well known stampedes (WWI, Vietnam to name the most recent), some generation would get wise to this insidious and devastating ploy.
But it seems every generation has to learn the same gruesome lesson the hard way.
So yesterday morning d.b. esterhazey told me I wasn't making the world a better place because while I respected everyone's right to have an opinion, I didn't respect every opinion. Turns out it was fucking mimi. I should have known.
And a place to put the chicken poop.
And the crunched shells. The calcium is a nutrient we don't often think of for plants; but in tomatoes, for example, it prevents blossom end rot.
In southern Spain, every town has its own way of curing olives--endless variations.
Plantsman, it is Aunt Haggis, a hat tip to my G. Grandma Mary MacDonald. 1K apologies if my note caused discomfort. Lurking resumed.
So yesterday morning d.b. esterhazey told me I wasn't making the world a better place because while I respected everyone's right to have an opinion, I didn't respect every opinion. Turns out it was fucking mimi. I should have known.
Ugh. She makes the world worse.
Mysteries of life, how can 31 visitors produce 150+ hits at cabdrollery?
Oh, and I challenged Marce and V4V at the Other Crack Den.
Molly Ivors
NOOOoooooo0000000ooo!!!
Oh, alright.
No discomfort. I had a treasured Scotty named Haggis for 15 years.
I buy marinated and pitted olives from the supermarket bin regularly and eat about 8 or 9/day with some hummus and fiber rich wheat bread.
Which is why I'm becoming younger all the time. Just call me Dorian Gray.
Ruth, Not everyone comes to the comments. Atrios gets upwards of 100,000 hits a day, yet rarely are there more than 200 visitors in the comments.
In southern Spain, every town has its own way of curing olives--endless variations.
Why are there so many sick olives in Spain?
/runs out of room
Turns out it was fucking mimi.
D'oh!
Mysteries of life, how can 31 visitors produce 150+ hits at cabdrollery?
Not everyone who reads Atrios clicks into the comments, and I assume the visitors number reflects who's in the comments.
The fancy-pants store across the way has a delectable-looking olive bar ( every "cool" market around here does) but I don't look until I can work it into my budget.
thanks, ql, I was too inclined to pt out how wrong 'respect everyone' was in light of the ways our war criminals are undermining morals - makes sense that it would be another of the same.
Mysteries of life, how can 31 visitors produce 150+ hits at cabdrollery?
Ruth
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I am fairly sure that the visitors are only those in the haloscan comments. Your post is linked from the blog. There isn't a meter on who is looking at Eschaton at any given time.
Turns out it was fucking mimi.
Oh, gee. I caught the first part of that exchange, and was laughing at its ridiculousness all day.
Turns out it was fucking mimi.
[alternative comment]
You mean the 6'7" dude?
hiya Marc!
need a beverage?
The poor troll couldn't bear to go through a whole day in disguise, had to have a melt-down.
There are some red olives I noticed the other day that are intriguing me.
liebniz - Why are there so many sick olives in Spain?
Why are there so many sick olives in Spain?
It's pit-iful.
I am slow this AM, ql. Coffee?
I haven't seen red olives although some black olives occasionally look reddish. But green or black they're all good.
You mean the 6'7" dude?
I used to be 6'6". Now, I'm like 6'4 and change.
Wonder how long it'll be until I'm 6' again?
Nancy, black, two sugars. Grazie.
Nancy, pass that on by me to ql!
The hippie market that delivers (for a fee) has wonderful Olive Oils and Balsamic Vinegars, and while they like to make a profit, they don't gouge on anything.
I used to be 6'6". Now, I'm like 6'4 and change.
Jeebus! No wonder you can't buy clothes off the rack!
It must be rough to have to wait for NFL yard sales.
For three days now, operamail has lost all my mail. They keep reassuring me it's not lost just temporarily not retrievable. I'm thinking I may have to set up another anoni account somewhere.
BTW, you lurkers out there, if you haven't followed the links, you should. Great stuff at the links.
The hippie market that delivers (for a fee) has wonderful Olive Oils and Balsamic Vinegars, and while they like to make a profit, they don't gouge on anything
Do they happen to have a website?
ql, gmail is good.
Good morning -
How is everybody today?
gopScrod
ql, Goggle will give you a "gmail" account for free.
I got a free hotmail account for eschacon, too. It's live.com.
Speaking of the NFL, I'm hoping the Patriots will finish a perfect season tomorrow with a win.
"www.newseasonsmarket.com"
Plantsman,
huh, I wonder if my CO-OP community would go for home delivery.
When I was in Eureka, OR back in the early 80's I was amazed at the grocery-sized CO-OP there, right on a kind of town square too.
Speaking of the NFL, I'm hoping the Patriots will finish a perfect season tomorrow with a win
I, on the other hand, hope the Giants hand them their asses.
If you are a Hillary supporter and want to get away from obamabloggers like TPM and dkos, places to take refuge:
taylormarsh and talkleft.
I love the comments there.
Microsoft is trying to muscle in on Google's domination of the Search Engine market with a bid to buy Yahoo.
The news yesterday dropped Google's stock price by $40 and upped Yahoo by $9.
Thank you, plantsman.
Thanks ecoast.
gopScrod
C-SPAN host just asked if Biden could use some of his left over money from the campaign towards his senate run....oops. Biden is a million in debt and can't pay workers.
New Seasons is making it work with biodiesel vans.
It's worth a look, busy people and the semi-disabled like me can use all the help we can get!
Wind farms need techs to keep running
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...y_tech_shortage
Just in case anyone will be looking for a gig when things get even worse. Decent pay.
Barndog,
What have you got against perfection?
Microsoft is trying to muscle in on Google's domination of the Search Engine market with a bid to buy Yahoo.
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This fucking scares me. I don't like it a'tall. Not a whit.
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
did the groundhog see his shadow?
MIcrosoft is a clumsy giant.
Shadow, there's no sun here.
Happy birthday, jdw!
What have you got against perfection?
Nothing. However, seeing the asterik next to that (if it happens) will be a killer.
I don't like cheaters. Period.
Wind farms need techs to keep running
Fear of heights could be an issue...
jdw,
and may you have many more each happier than the one before.
Thers began the semester by asking students what they're interested in, and trying to find articles for them to read aimed at that. The first one is about a guy who retrofits muscle cars to run on restaurant oil.
New Seasons is making it work with biodiesel vans.
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Thanks. I'll pass it along.
The main thing that kept this little store going so long was the greater community looking for foods for special health needs, not just the hippies and quakers who started her up.
did the groundhog see his shadow?
jdw
Happy birthday, d00d!
jdw, alles gute zum Geburtstag! And happy birthday too.
Happy birthday, jdw! It is also James Joyce's birthday.
Happy birthday, jdw!
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ditto that!
for g'hog day;
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
happy birfday to me
now gotta get breakfast. L8r. many happies, jdw
My mom's Birthday was the third and the family loved it because she would always say, 'I am not a groundhog'.
Microsoft is trying to muscle in on Google's domination of the Search Engine market with a bid to buy Yahoo.
As I said yesterday, they are buying a piece of crap.
BTW, I use mac.com. I would use gmail, but it didn't exist then. It's handy to have an accessible site where I can dump class lectures, notes, bank transaction confirmations, etc. It costs $100/year, so gmail is probably more sensible at this point if you are starting up.
I'll bet one of the HBOs runs the movie today. I wouldn't mind watching it again. It's cute.
centi anni, jdw! (i'm supposed to toast you, but it'll have to be a mug of joe)
"jdw, alles gute zum Geburtstag!"
i love it when you whisper german in my ear, tiny sprays of spittle tickling my lobes....
thanks all!!!!!
Also my grandpa's birthday. Maybe he's partying with James Joyce.
I don't like cheaters. Period.
Barndog, now freezing rain
Puhleeeze! They weren't doing what everyone else in the NFL wasn't doing. They Jets just made it known.
And if you think going 18-0 was accomplished because of some marginal information gleaned from cameras, you're going to be in for a surprise tomorrow.
Ruth,
Your birthday too! A wonderful day then! Happy birthday to you as well. May this day bring new conquests to worth challenges.
Thers began the semester by asking students what they're interested in, and trying to find articles for them to read aimed at that. The first one is about a guy who retrofits muscle cars to run on restaurant oil.
Ask the student to calculate how many miles you could get by lipo-suctioning Bill Bennett.
That bit from Chafee-it's exactly as I suspected.
"It is also James Joyce's birthday."
wel, ya see there? it just goes to show, er, i dunno...but it shows soemthing..
Wind farms need techs to keep running
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20080...y_tech_shortage
Just in case anyone will be looking for a gig when things get even worse. Decent pay.
Gilly Gonzylon |
ya know, with the relentless bad news, i'm glad you posted this. there are some interesting wind farms under development in iowa and in need of workers. so the state, local community college and u of iowa have been working to develop training and engineering programs. it's really quite exciting to see state initiatives like this.
gmail is probably more sensible at this point if you are starting up.
and it has googletalk for free: chat and VOIP over the internet, you can talk to your friends in STEREO, it's creepy at first to be speaking to your laptop
We have lots of windfarms operating and under development in the rural Counties of the Columbia Gorge in Washington and Oregon.
it's creepy at first to be speaking to your laptop
No flirting!!!!!!!
I've had the same yahoo email account forever. It might be the oldest email account in the universe. Will this Microsoft thing screw it up?
It shows you Aquarians have lots going on upstairs!
Will this Microsoft thing screw it up?
Moe Szyslak
It's Microsoft, so, yeah.
Moe,
I have an old Yahoo email account too. I doubt that Microsoft will screw it up, but there will probably be more ads (if that's possible) shown!
Moe, see if they try and push you into hotmail and msn. Then you'll know.
One of the DEM candidate for Guv has announced that the off-shore wind farm company trying to get going here has vowed to give us hundreds of jobs by manufacturing the turbines, etc here.
Alternative energy seems like such a goldmine. I can't get over how short-sighted our government is about getting on it.
Oh, right. Oil dudes running the show. I almost forgot where I live.
I have yahoo email but what I like is their news site. I don't like microsoft's policy of crushingly dominate and cheat thy competition.
I'm with Barndog on the Super Bowl.
One of the DEM candidate for Guv has announced that the off-shore wind farm company trying to get going here has vowed to give us hundreds of jobs by manufacturing the turbines, etc here.
With a lot of such equipment, what they do is maufacture the components somewhere else and assemble it in the US. Then they put a sticker on it saying "Made in the USA".
If America had a government or a government that cared about it's people there would have been a massive attempt to jump-start a renewable energy industry with wind turbines, solar and every conceivable conservation technique imaginable.
Instead, we've had Bushboy & his Creep Veep, uber agents for the fossil fuel lobby, impersonating government "leaders."
We have an assembly plant for Vestas wind here in Portland, but GE makes wind turbines in the States.
v -- i know. it's such a friggin no brainer. but there is movement on the state level and that's very encouraging. it's the national leadership that has so miserably failed us at all levels. anyway, here's a cool article on green jobs:
'Green Collar' Jobs Seen As Prosperous
By BRIAN SKOLOFF – 7 hours ago
When 1,800 workers lost their jobs after a Maytag appliance factory and headquarters closed last year in the small town of Newton, Iowa, a wind turbine blade company saw opportunity — an available, skilled workforce in the middle of one of America's hardiest wind energy production regions.
TPI Composites Inc. is building a new plant there as the energy industry aims for a cleaner, more sustainable future. With proper incentives, thousands of "green-collar jobs" could be created, from ethanol production to wind turbines and solar panels, and all the maintenance and construction to support them, industry officials said.
TPI used to build boats, but switched to turbines in 2001 for the "major growth opportunity," said Steve Lockard, CEO of the Phoenix, Ariz.-based company. The idea, he said, is to "transform the workforce away from the Maytag-type jobs of the past into jobs that can withstand the test of time going forward."
However, advocates and executives say training is key to making sure the industry has enough skilled workers to make it into a real economic engine, and are pushing for more lucrative tax breaks, much like oil companies already receive, to make it profitable.
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...jyJHiQD8UI0GK00
I read a proposal that they could put them in locations in Lake Michigan and Lake Superior where people would never see them and they could provide enough power for the country. . . .
Or how about for plug-in recharging stations for electric cars, DWD?
O-O-O-O-Ok! lahoma, where the wind goes sweeping 'cross the plain.
One of the many drawbacks of capitalism is that corporations have to grow or die or so they believe.
And so Microsoft will continue to grow and dominate until you can't pick up a cell phone or a computer without using one of their services.
The operative word in capitalism always seems to be "More," instead of "Enough!"
Good morning, Atriots!!!!
Today's blogwhore: GOP politician wants to ban restaurants from serving obese people.
But the GOP is still, you know, the party of "personal responsibility" and stuff. And keeping their noses out of people's business.
uh-huh.
With a lot of such equipment, what they do is maufacture the components somewhere else and assemble it in the US. Then they put a sticker on it saying "Made in the USA".
leibniz
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the original plan was as you say
but the Yurp firm had to take the turbines offline because of tech problems. Plus, there is a huge backlog for them, a year wait I hear.
The deal sweetener is the promise to make the things here.
But as firms become larger and more diverse, they become more unwieldy and difficult to manage, so the lovely "creative destruction" of Capitalism gets into the act.
Oh, right. Oil dudes running the show. I almost forgot where I live.
Imagine if we didn't have oil men in the White House.
It's easy if you try.
currently one of the kewlest new research options is to create a 'sterling engine' using a heating and a cooling source at the same time (the ground and the sun)...these engines could easily create AC power directly, as opposed to DC from solar voltaics, but they have years of research to get it right
the thinking is that everyone would have one in their yard
plantsman,
I still believe that the future of cars in hydrogen. The problem is the making and distribution. I believe cars can be made to run on it now (as they can with propane)
If you have a limitless supply of clean electricity that solves the first problem. The second then becomes establishing fueling stations and safe ways of doing it.
Electric cars are all well and good but batteries are a bitch. They are heavy, bulky, and wear out creating tremendous land fill problems (if EVERYONE used them) Hydrogen IC engines would simply not pollute and would be very efficient.
What did Mr. Chafee say at the time all of this was going on?
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
My thought exactly.
Not that it excuses the dems, because it doesn't.
But how dare he criticize them.
The backlog for turbines from GE is 3 years.
Denmark very smartly required a high percentage of its electricity come from renewables. That pushed the creation of a lot of wind generation companies, and now wind technology is their #1 export. There are Danish consultants roaming the planet, selling the world their expertise, and their companies' product.
But the GOP is still, you know, the party of "personal responsibility" and stuff. And keeping their noses out of people's business.
It was Mayor Bloomberg who wanted to ban transfats in NYC restaurants. That alone could sink his campaign in much of the country.
It's Microsoft, so, yeah.
V for Virginia | 02.02.08 - 8:44 am | #
Yahoo will be renamed "Vista_Is_Great.com"
The deal sweetener is the promise to make the things here.
No, no, dear. We don't make things in America anymore. That's so last millenium.
We have little brown and yellow people make things for us, cheap. We now are a consumer nation. We simply consume.
With a lot of such equipment, what they do is maufacture the components somewhere else and assemble it in the US. Then they put a sticker on it saying "Made in the USA".
you mean like a chevy or a ford? it's global, bitches...everything is made all over.
Chafee has been forcibly tossed out of the game.
So now he can speak freely.
Before, he desperately wanted to stay in the game.
So he kept his piehole shut.
But the GOP is still, you know, the party of "personal responsibility" and stuff. And keeping their noses out of people's business.
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heh
our downstate legis are always coming up with bring back spanking and stockades kind of forward thinking ideas. The fat discrimination thingie is on par.
On a previous thread is a link to a tech article on a new way of splitting hydrogen out of water, using Titanium dioxide that is cheap and efficient.
Denmark very smartly required a high percentage of its electricity come from renewables. That pushed the creation of a lot of wind generation companies, and now wind technology is their #1 export. There are Danish consultants roaming the planet, selling the world their expertise, and their companies' product.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 8:57 am | #
Denmark's the Spot!
DWD,
Hydrogen powered cars is a great idea. The problem is separating hydrogen out of the many compounds it is bonded to.
Currently the energy required to accomplish that exceeds the value of the energy produced by the isolated Hydrogen but with time and research that could change.
Rudy: see my comment above re hydrogen.
If you have a limitless supply of clean electricity that solves the first problem.
That's a very large IF.
I dunno, I know he's crazy and all, but I kind of agree with Kunstler on this. I don't want to argue with you, DWD, and it's certainly not a slam on small-town lifestyle (I support it!), but suburbanization (sprawling suburbs encircling large cities, not small rural towns) are hugh GHG emitters, and it really doesn't change much if you do away completely with GHG emissions from cars.
the thinking is that everyone would have one in their yard
mogwai, 5th-tier
windmills are making a limited comeback too. read a cool article recently about homeowners who are setting them up as an additional energy source. there really is alot going on in terms of alternative energy r&d. just imagine what those wasted hundreds of billions could have done. makes you weep.
The backlog for turbines from GE is 3 years.
they don't make RIDICULOUS profits off them, so they have no motivation to expand production...think of WWII: how tanks and planes were FLYING off prod. lines...we need that NOW for energy independence, a full and entire populace commitment
It was Mayor Bloomberg who wanted to ban transfats in NYC restaurants. That alone could sink his campaign in much of the country.
I don't have a problem with banning transfats. They should be banned. They are a poison. They should never have been approved for human consumption to begin with.
But legislation ORDERING restaurant workers to refuse service to people who are obese -- which in itself is a subjective call -- is wrong on so many different levels. At the very least, it completely misunderstands the problem of obesity, as if it's all about people over eating.
And it's got that horrid, shaming and humiliation quality that the GOP just loves loves loves.
plantsman,
I saw your comment after mine posted. I hope you are right and the new technique can work!
windmills are making a limited comeback too.
nona | 02.02.08 - 9:01 am | #
They should hook up the ones on miniature golf courses 
The Chrysler plant in my town just decreed that all workers who don't drive a Chrysler product must park behind the plant. HA HA you can imagine the distain from those driving Fords and GM etc. Most of them are saying Fuck You, this is America and I am parking where I want.
The plant is slated to close in a few years anyway.
Blood-test time, folks. Play nice.
the thinking is that everyone would have one in their yard
Yes but that's not what the centralized Big Energy people want to see happen. They lose control when we are able to generate our own electricity and sell the excess back. They'd rather keep control, the way Big Oil keeps control. Better to jerk us around the nose with and rob us blind.
I'm instinctively suspicious of "hydrogen cars" because Chimpy is promoting them.
our downstate legis are always coming up with bring back spanking and stockades kind of forward thinking ideas. The fat discrimination thingie is on par.
well, there goes any chance of them hosting any gop gathering...
Doug (from So. Arizona) linked to it, I think; and the article looks solid.
for too long i have not seen wheelbarrows filled to the brim with transfat
provided free of charge to the 'eating disorder challenged'
I remember the 1970s when President Carter tried to push for "Energy Independence," when the price of oil skyrocketed to $20/barrel.
Then the price receded and everyone said, "Fuggedaboutit!"
Now with oil nearing $100/barrel we have Bushboy, the pimp of the fossil fuel lobby, playing POTUS in the WH.
I'm instinctively suspicious of "hydrogen cars" because Chimpy is promoting them.
He has NOTHING to do with them.
This is Doug's link.
http://www.technologyreview.com/...m/Energy/20134/
windmills which spread transfat through the sky like a collect phone call are only the beginning of how we see food and air in a new way
The Chrysler plant in my town just decreed that all workers who don't drive a Chrysler product must park behind the plant.
that's typical american bizzness thinking: be an asshole!
Last night when I stumbled home from the tavern it was -10 or so. A big storm came in over night, and I woke up to a Noah-like deluge. Now it's stopped raining, but it's still windy, and it's all the way up to +10. Just like that.
turbine plant in iowa:
West Branch plant slated to begin production of wind turbines soon
by Gregory Norfleet, West Branch Times · January 30, 2008
Surrounded by the gigantic parts that go into a wind turbine, Gov. Chet Culver and other area leaders on Thursday, Jan. 17, praised Acciona Energy not only for job creation and economic development, but also for helping offer more renewable energy to the world.
Acciona representatives, in turn, announced the newly opened West Branch plant would soon begin production of turbines that would generate twice the megawatts of those originally planned for the 200,000-square-foot facility.
And while leaders and company representatives repeatedly talked about continuing, mutually beneficial partnerships, Acciona then presented West Branch Mayor Sandy Hatfield with a $15,000 check for the city’s downtown enhancement effort as a sign of appreciation for the city’s support of the $23 million expansion of the former Sauer-Danfoss site.
Culver said, quoting anthropologist Margaret Mead, that one should “never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.”
“I see that group of committed people right here,” he said. “This is just the tip of the turbine.”
http://westlibertyindex.com/arti...php?
viewID=1364
Jennifer came by my blog and scolded me for not updated it, so I did.
No, no, dear. We don't make things in America anymore. That's so last millenium.
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That is precisely why this DEM is forcing this manufacturing deal, that and his opponent is a multi-millionaire who is likely to beat him.
If Bushboy is endorsing "hydrogen cars" it's probably because in his arrogant stupidity, he thinks they have no chance of cutting into the profits of his patrons at the oil and gas industry.
Incidentally, Exxon/Mobil posted the largest profits in their history yesterday. Something in excess of $40 billion!!!
Yahoo will be renamed "Vista_Is_Great.com"
Gilly Gonzylon
The patch they put out to fix the security hole they left in your computer will cause it to refuse to work with any non-microsoft product. The fix for the patch will repair that, although your TV and microwave will switch functions, and your car keys will vanish.
40 billion could be a lot of windmills
a windmill made of transfat in the belly of every oil executive
that will be a hallmark
of my presidency
Today's blogwhore: GOP politician wants to ban restaurants from serving obese people.
Are they trying to destroy their base?
See you later.
gopScrod
Jennifer came by my blog and scolded me for not updated it, so I did.
Moe Szyslak
Oh, good. I was afraid you'd abandoned it altogether.
GOP politician wants to ban restaurants from serving obese people.
Would that be a part of or separate from some kind Nanny State?
When it is reported that Bushboy and Cheneychins are "tilting at windmills," by retarding their growth, they are not being quixotic. They are being agents for the fossil fuel industry.
McStain will be in Nashville this morning.
Ick.
Bob Herbert in the NY Times, Anyone who thinks the Democrats are a lock to win in November has somehow forgotten about Karl Rove, the right-wing radio network, the hanging chads of 2000, the Swift boat debacle, the intimidation of black voters in Florida, the long lines of Democratic voters standing forlornly in the rain in Ohio, and on and on.
Those who may think that a woman named Clinton or a black man named Obama will have an easy time winning the White House this year should switch to something less disorienting than whatever it is they’re smoking.
(no comment)
Would that be a part of or separate from some kind Nanny State?
My observation precisely.
well, there goes any chance of them hosting any gop gathering...
nona
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true dat
but the upstaters include Pete duPont, co-author of the Contract For America and Newts bestest friend.
When McCain went broke last fall, he was invited here and they all went into deep cover to pass their big checks over.
I was just wondering about Jennifer recently, I haven't seen her here in ages.
40 billion could be a lot of windmills
round here we have lots of bird migration areas...i sure hope we dont create one disaster trying to solve another
McStain is as big a flip flopper as the Mittster, but since the press likes him, they call him the "Straightshooter!"
More MSM bullshit, as usual.
I'll start doing some non-beer blogging soon enough. I had to kinda ease into the new job. And, I'll really do the garden cam this year, if spring ever comes.
I was just wondering about Jennifer recently, I haven't seen her here in ages.
Karin
Banned. Badly, IMHO.
mogwai-- the bird issue is a red herring. (?) Not an issue at all.
Gotta go in to work for a couple of hours. I'll catch you peeps later.
Incidentally, Exxon/Mobil posted the largest profits in their history yesterday. Something in excess of $40 billion!!!
I blogged about this yesterday, too. It just makes so much sense that the GOP would fillibuster the energy bill over repealing Big Oil's tax credits, which were supposed to be put toward renewable. Nope, sure can't have that.
Banned. Badly, IMHO.
V for Virginia
How do people get banned here?
I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet. Seriously, I keep hearing of people being banned but I don't know why.
Whoa, what on earth did Jennifer do? She's the last person I would have thought....
*Buildings* are the biggest bird-killer going. (I won't get into the who at-cay issue, cuz people go nuts if you mention it. It's like #4 or 5 on the list, airc.)
Moe, where is your blog? Your homepage is pointing to Atrios.
I think American companies ought to be able to manufacture goods overseas and ship them here for sale if they want.
I just don't think they should be able to deduct any expenses incurred on those goods until their arrival in the US.
The GOP has proven over and over that they don't give a rat's ass about the American people and yet they continue to be promoted as our great "defenders" and fiscally conservative.
The evidence, of course, shows exactly the opposite. They have made America far more vulnerable to domestic attack and they have blown the national debt sky high.
But then with the MSM not reporting this, how would Americans know a tree has fallen in the forest if they didn't hear it?
How do people get banned here?
Threaten to kill someone. Or be mis-understood as threatening to kill someone.
The wikipedia article on Pete DuPont reads as if it was dictated to someone to whom he was giving a blowjob.
(I won't get into the who at-cay issue, cuz people go nuts if you mention it. It's like #4 or 5 on the list, airc.)
LEAVE THE CATS ALONE!!!!!!!!
{ sobs }
I suppose I should change that. Here, the last three posts are all beer.
How come no one ever mentions power lines as a bird slayer? Birds fly into them all the time. We could bury the power lines, of course, but the utility never wants to do that ....
Huckabee Continues to Class Up the Joint [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
Mitt Romney, he says, hasn't reached "political puberty."
Heh heh heh. Bring 'em on. Either Mitt or McCain will go down to ignominious defeat, and your insipid magazine will fold for lack of readership.
Go out and look for an homest job.
Time for the treadmill.
Later, 'bats
Peace.
How come no one ever mentions power lines as a bird slayer? Birds fly into them all the time. We could bury the power lines, of course, but the utility never wants to do that ..
Hey!!!!
mogwai-- the bird issue is a red herring. (?) Not an issue at all.
Moe Szyslak
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it is an issue here
we are in the migration corridor but that was vetted and the wind farm is to be located well away from that.
One argument against was that is was proximal to the shipping channel (think Exxon Valdez?). Can't the ships keep to their traffic lanes!
round here we have lots of bird migration areas...i sure hope we dont create one disaster trying to solve another
mogwai, 5th-tier
from what i've read the big wind farm developments taken into consideration migration paths. and the farmers who are providing the land, within a couple of seasons figure out how to work around them. so far, it seems to be working. there are so many even small scale operations that could be job producing:
Vinton-Shellsburg to Harness Wind Power
By Josh Hinkle, Anchor/Reporter
Story Updated: Jan 30, 2008
VINTON - Vinton-Shellsburg School District could soon join ten other Iowa districts by harnessing wind power. It hopes the energy savings will pay off big for education there, because it now feels the squeeze of rapidly rising energy costs on its budget.
Superintendent Randy Braden is already pouring over the preliminary possibility of Vinton-Shellsburg becoming a one-turbine wind farm.
He says, "We estimate saving to be upwards between $80- and $100-thousand per year."
Two years ago, TV9 traveled to the Forest City School District in north central Iowa. That district constructed a wind turbine nearly a decade ago to power its own buildings, plus a string of houses.
Former Forest City Superintendent Dwight Pierson then said, “We call these ka-ching days when the wind's blowing 30 miles per hour."
Forest City's 600 kilowatt turbine saves the district about $50-thousand each year in energy costs. Vinton-Shellsburg is now considering a 900 kilowatt structure for an estimated savings of $80-thousand or a 15-hundred kilowatt tower to save about $100-thousand.
I'm off to Connecticut today to visit a friend. I sure hope I don't run into Lieberputz. It would ruin what could be a lovely day.
Cyall anon...
Oh dear God, anyone listening to CSPAN?
I think American companies ought to be able to manufacture goods overseas and ship them here for sale if they want.
Yeah me too, I just think they ought to pay a hefty premium for that. They aren't helping the U.S. economy, they are parasites on it. They aren't employing American workers, they aren't paying into Social Security, they aren't contributing in any way to the fabric of the American economy.
They are parasites, and there should be a parasite tax.
I for one am not allergic to the word "tax." But since Republicans are, we maybe need to call it a "parasite fee."
Oh dear God, anyone listening to CSPAN?
Is it time to start drinking?
Worm and Mole Preservation Soc | 02.02.08 - 9:21 am | #
Oh, fuck off.
The wikipedia article on Pete DuPont reads as if it was dictated to someone to whom he was giving a blowjob.
leibni
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Holy fuck, my fellow Americans on CSPAN scare the shit out of me.
*Buildings* are the biggest bird-killer going.
maybe now, but if MILLIONS of GIANT MOVING turbines line the open fields. i am not that into wind power because of the GIANT MOVING turbines
i know there is a discovery waiting to be found that will help our energy woes: the problem is if dumbfuck US finds it, the world will have to pay, i am hoping a brilliant scientist in say india finds it out and GIVES IT AWAY
OBAMA: Not Just For Kennedies!!
Why I'm Backing Obama
By Susan Eisenhower
I for one am not allergic to the word "tax." But since Republicans are, we maybe need to call it a "parasite fee."
You don't need to raise taxes or create new fees. Business revenue earned in America can be offset by expenses paid in America. See, no tax raise.
FT has an article on Dingell wanting to look in to the acquisition of 3Com.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/
b2e588...00779fd2ac.html
The focus of the article is on the Chinese partner in the acquisition, Huawei, and 3Com's Federal contracts.
The other partner in the acquisition cooperating with Huawei? Bain Capital - which should ring a bell as Mittens' company.
:::Senior US lawmakers on Friday pledged to conduct their own investigation into the joint takeover of 3Com by Bain Capital and Huawei because of “genuine concern” about the Chinese equipment maker’s involvement in the transaction.
John Dingell, the powerful chairman of the House committee on energy and commerce, said in a letter to Treasury secretary Hank Paulson that he and a group of bipartisan legislators were concerned about the potential effect the deal would have on national security:::
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I think American companies ought to be able to manufacture goods overseas and ship them here for sale if they want.
Yeah me too, I just think they ought to pay a hefty premium for that
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AGREED
That is why horrid Congressional delegation that gives the store away needs to been voted the fuck out.
My GOPer Rep Castle and DINO Sen Carper are criminals in that regard.
Globalization don't trickle like their dicks would suggest.
Suburban development and the draining of wetlands is a much larger killer of birds than windmills ever will be.
Free Britney!
51-50 Bush-Cheney, they're the crazy ones!
Is it time to start drinking?
Not sure if it rises to that level, but basically an old bag GOPer reading from a script blast-faxed to her in deep red Georgia:
SHE (say in nearly indecipherable southern accent): "I was an Obama supporter, but I heard -- as gospel fact -- that he won't say the pledge of allegiance, and that he's a Muslim, and that his middle name is 'Hussein' and please res ipsa loquitur, just shoot your purty little self in your haid right now because me and the rest of wingnuttia are gonna ruin your year..."
Punxsutawney Phil is the only REAL weather-predictin' groundhog.
All other groundhogs are mere imitations.
maybe now, but if MILLIONS of GIANT MOVING turbines line the open fields. i am not that into wind power because of the GIANT MOVING turbines
It's true that wind turbines become like giant bird cuisinarts, and they are positioned in the exact places where birds fly. BUT I have also read that there are anti-bird chopping technologies that have largely solved this problem.
There's also a kind of wind turbine that is low to the ground, where birds don't fly. It's like a horizontal, not vertical turbine. Defies logic, but I read about it somewhere. Google it, as I've gotta hit the showers.
C ya later, kids!!!
treadmills kill less birds than anyone thinks
If P. Phil sees his shadow how much longer will Britney have to stay in the booby hatch?
I only turn CSPAN on in the morning if for some reason I can't get my blood pressure high enough.
IOW never.
Punxsutawney Phil is the only REAL weather-predictin' groundhog.
All other groundhogs are mere imitations.
Lime Rickey | 02.02.08 - 9:28 am
If they'd taken a groundhog out today here, I'd hope the groundhog would've bitten the person responsible.
what a miserable weather day.
Punxsutawney Phil is the only REAL weather-predictin' groundhog.
All other groundhogs are mere imitations.
Lime Rickey | 02.02.08 - 9:28 am | #
Wireton Willie died last year.
He was 'our' national groundhog.
Are you sure about the windmills being so dangerous for birds? I ask because there are many of them in northern Europe, including Germany, and Germans are pretty conscientious about things like not screwing with migrating birds, especially storks.
The rotors don't spin like jet engines, after all.
dr. phil saw his shadow today and predicted another ten years of blase pontificating
Death of the father: British scientists discover how to turn women's bone marrow into sperm.
We men are now officially redundant.
Punxsutawney Phil chopped up by wind turbine. More at 11.
he won't say the pledge of allegiance
I have sworn a few oaths to the Constitution. It is far more important than a flag. George Bush is forsworn on his oath to the Constitution, but he pledges allegiance to the flag so it must be OK.
I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet. Seriously, I keep hearing of people being banned but I don't know why.
Southern Beale
Threats of violence or suggestions about how violence might be done to someone.
Punxsutawney Phil chopped up by wind turbine. More at 11.
leibniz, monadΩ | 02.02.08 - 9:31 am | #
we told him not to 'leap for joy'
not ever
Marcellina -- 20 years ago there was a real concern about windmills and birds. Those problems have been essentially solved. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, or at least, not an issue that isn't solved, everyday, all around the world, with proper planning.
Senior US lawmakers on Friday pledged to conduct their own investigation into the joint takeover of 3Com by Bain Capital and Huawei because of “genuine concern” about the Chinese equipment maker’s involvement in the transaction.
dingell or dignwell or whatever the fuck his name is...is personally responsible for continuealy fighting better auto mileage in cars: and he's a DEM...hey dingell...lenovo is chinese, you never cared when IBM sold thinkpad to teh chinese
We men are now officially redundant.
trifecta
There's always scrabulous, darling.
Death of the father: British scientists discover how to turn women's bone marrow into sperm.
'free willie'
Off to the farmers market. See ya'all later.
mogwai,
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the new-fangled turbines are designed with few blades and actually have minimal impact on birds.
I think wind farms are beautiful.
Nobody could have foreseen a coup in Chad.
I think wind farms are beautiful.
Same here. I thought the idea of some wind farms off Cape Cod was a great idea. But I guess it's better to have more petroleum cracking plants in poor areas of e.g. Louisiana than some cool technology fucking with some sailboat races on the cape.
Power lines account for large numbers of bird kills, particularly among larger birds with large wingspans.
Automobiles are also known to kill millions of birds each year.
In the guise of "helping" poor Britney, Dr. Phil tried to bone her.
He should be tossed into prison and be forced to watch repeats of his own show 24/7.
Barack Obama is speaking in Wilmington,DE on Sunday afternoon.
I am so there!
laterz batz
gotsta gitsta
i guess the consensus is the love of wind power...i don't dig it
right now we don't have MILLIONS of turbines EVERYFUCKINGWHERE...watch what you wish for as america will do it, we will put up MILLIONS and MILLIONS of wind turbines up all over
i dig a decentralized smarter idea, one which hasn't been discovered yet...where are our modern edison's?
Do you put two eggs in waffle batter instead of the one you'd use for pancakes?
I'm performing a science experiment with our usual oat-bran pancake mix.
In the guise of "helping" poor Britney, Dr. Phil t
seriously. what a fucking slimeball exploiter; another maggot feasting off her damaged life. there was a major backlash to his actions too. there are signs of humanity out there...
,i.We men are now officially redundant.
trifecta
nah, some of us will keep you around for fun and games.
,i.We men are now officially redundant.
trifecta
nah, some of us will keep you around for fun and games.
qlª | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 9:44 am | #
I'm not that kind of guy. Sorry.
"Barack Obama is speaking in Wilmington,DE on Sunday afternoon.
I am so there!"
awesome!
nephew coming over today to use the shop to make his pinewood derby car. tonight i cook my spicy shrimp and open presents.
a good day it will be.
Super Bowl ads are going to be crazier than ever this year.
There might not be an Oscar ceremony so they are going to go more over the top than usual.
I'm not that kind of guy. Sorry.
They will always need guys like you to spit on veterans.
In the guise of "helping" poor Britney, Dr. Phil tried to bone her.
Lime Rickey | 02.02.08 - 9:41 am | #
Say what?
Are you serious?
Mary Bono to Sonny: "Only a pussy would ski around that tree."
MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, "What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois," you said, "I don't know." Where, where are the--where are your records?
SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I...
Are you serious?
steve simels
Just an assumption.
Just an assumption.
Lime Rickey | 02.02.08 - 9:49 am | #
Oh. Not that I don't think you might be right, but jeez.....
Just an assumption.
The offspring of Dr. Phil and Britney could be worse than Rosemary's Baby.
sheets.
They will always need guys like you to spit on veterans.
pud has that job currently.
Wait, the offspring of Amy Winehouse and Simels...that would be worse.
i dig a decentralized smarter idea, one which hasn't been discovered yet...where are our modern edison's?
For proximate electrical generation, wind power is pretty good if you live on a site with enough wind, and the space to erect a wind generator. There are many people homebrewing their own generators. The only difficult thing to construct in my opinion is the wind vanes and there are many selling good ones for not that much.
Google 'axial wind generators' to find more info.
.lenovo is chinese, you never cared when IBM sold thinkpad to teh chinese
mogwai, 5th-tier | Homepage | 02.02.08 - 9:32 am
The personal computer group at IBM was hemorrhaging for a decade or so before they finally cut their losses.
and Lenovo loses the right to put the name IBM on their products or try to apply for Federal contracts.
Different kettle of fish from the 3Com deal, where Huawei is basically buying certain tech but mostly buying a brand name which has market access to items like Federal contracts, which would not be easily accessible under the Huawei brand name.
Bush is the weekest link
http://livelymoney.blogspot.com/
...principles.html
That's why, if Hill is the candidate, I'm staying home. She's got blood on her hands. You can argue all the livelong day that she wasn't holding the knife; but the victim's just as dead. She was there; and it's not that she did nothing. She was actually cheering it on.
As long as Dems excuse their side, and Reps excuse their side, then no one is holding anyone accountable. That just makes the corporations more powerful--because they hold lawmakers accountable. When the corporations are the only ones holding these folks accountable, well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out whose agenda the lawmakers are going to be working on.
So, feel free to continue to make excuses for Hill. And argue that she's better than the other side. Yeah, she's better than Bush--but Bush isn't running.
Any antiwar Dem who votes for Hill, ignoring her part in this bloodletting, is no better than any Repub who held their nose and voted for Bush--simply because he was "their" candidate.
They will always need guys like you to spit on veterans.
pud has that job currently.
Speaking of veterans, I haven't seen American "Me no know what MOS is" Chickenhawk around recently.
bush started this war. bush lost this war. bush won't even finish this war. but he had lots of "help". history has all their names.
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