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But it regrets nothing. NOthing!
Super, Echidne. A superb performance, one of the greatest ever. Miraculous, even.
Haloscan was a rocky place, where my seed could find no purchase.
Rarely get involved in the discussion but I am pro-choice in every meaning of the word.
It's The Fourth of July, but not everyone was in a festive mood when President Bush delivered a speech Thursday at Thomas Jefferson's famous home, Monticello.
The President, who was talking part in Monticello's annual naturalization ceremony, was interrupted several times by protesters.
"War criminal!" one protester repeatedly yelled as she was escorted out by Secret Service members.
"He has brought fascism to this shore," another man yelled.
Zell! Zell! He is a killer
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Shared Humanity
No, it was a miscarriage... now listen to the music!
deadthreaded:
yeah. like taking impeachment off the table, unilaterally.
pretzelattack | 07.05.08 - 9:51 pm | #
just so.
if obama is such a good negotiator, he really should know enough to start from a stronger position. and there is NO FUCKING REASON TO SUPPORT THIS BILL! it doesn't do anything good!
if it does, someone PLEASE tell me what it is. and "it doesn't also do this even worse thing" isn't good enough.
Joy!
it was euthanasia. i remember how perky and enthusiastic it was, at first, but it had a good life, and it was just time for it to go.
The thread below was aborted
And just because people were tired of it--not a good justification.
Next time see it all the way through to the ugly birth.
it was euthanasia
cambodian teenagers?
Edith Piaf!!!!!!!!!!
I ♥ her!
I haz chipotle chicken and rice for dinner.
And cookies. Chocolate chip cookies.
Next time see it all the way through to the ugly birth.
Supreme Commander Thor | 07.05.08 - 9:59 pm | #
it was destined to be stillborn, with such terrible defects as toby and lubyanker in it.
i did it my way in french
fuck
Richard | 07.05.08 - 9:55 pm | #
shit
Richard | 07.05.08 - 9:56 pm | #
YO - You're a phud in physics. Let's have a little more decorum here.
foo-YAKI!
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It's The Fourth of July, but not everyone was in a festive mood when President Bush delivered a speech Thursday at Thomas Jefferson's famous home, Monticello.
I've been to a couple of 4th of July naturalization ceremonies in the past, and they're a pain in the ass at best. I can't imagine the hell of having to listen to Dumb Fuck ramble on for 30 minutes on top of the rest of the bullshit.
Edith Piaf!!!!!!!!!!
I ♥ her!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Lentil Pilaf!!!!!!
KITTEH!
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Piaf had duende. Patsy Cline had duende.
Not too many people have that gift from the soul.
euthanasia--the rock band asia got some new blood.
if obama is such a good negotiator, he really should know enough to start from a stronger position. and there is NO FUCKING REASON TO SUPPORT THIS BILL! it doesn't do anything good!
Who is he negotiating with and what is his leverage?
The Democratic Congressional Leadership wants this bill so much that they cut out the standard committee process and rushed it to the floor. Cloture passed 80/20. What is he supposed to do ?
I like my Piaf with fava beans and a fine Chianti.
Anyhow the homies were out west making war. It was pretty much coastal because they were tired from chasing up and down hill. The enemy dropped an eagle feather in a mountain meadow. The bro's set an ambush because they knew the enemy would be back. They waited well into the night. Sure enough, the enemy came creeping back. Then the bro's sprang the ambush. The bro's came down upon these people and embraced them because the enemy had respect for the eagle.
OMG, I loved this movie. This actress was amazing!
and now I am off.....
It's funny to put Piaf on Atrios's blog, somehow.
Jeffraham Prestonian
I am enjoying the Shady Dog Farms videos.
Oooh and I just finished reading Suite Francaise.
Does anyone need their jalapenos checked?
The Democratic Congressional Leadership wants this bill so much that they cut out the standard committee process and rushed it to the floor. Cloture passed 80/20. What is he supposed to do ?
rootless-e | 07.05.08 - 10:01 pm | #
at some point, he's going to have to fight them.
It's funny to put Piaf on Atrios's blog, somehow
I thought that, too, and chuckled in a v. perverse way.
Vicki: Not too many people have that gift from the soul.
I also like K.D. Lang. And Sarah MacLaughlin.
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I haz chipotle chicken and rice for dinner.
And cookies. Chocolate chip cookies.
Yum.
We had my beautiful wife's chicken fried pork chops, new potatoes with green beans, and corn on the cob.
I got the veggies at the farmer's market.
Natalie Merchant
La Vie en Rose
Thank you Echidne.
Feliz cumpleańos Gomez.
at some point, he's going to have to fight them.
pretzelattack | 07.05.08 - 10:03 pm | #
That is true. I suspect now might not be the best time. That said, he could have just voted no.
There's a tell all book about Madonna coming out.
Apparently she's had SEX.
So Gomez, how was the parents' party for you?
I had various frozen lumps from the freezer with broccoli. Buttermilk with blueberries for dessert. I'm not satisfied.
I already have some tomatoes on the vine. Tonight I'm making an heirloom tomato - buratta salad and pasta with some freshed sardines I found at the farmers market. So better get going. It's getting late and the boy will be here soon.
nite everyone.
KITTEH WANNABE!
http://thumbsnap.com/v/CiuZPcEm.jpg
Does anyone need their jalapenos checked?
You're a quart low.
So Gomez, how was the parents' party for you?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Fine. I got a Steelers shirt.
Piaf had duende. Patsy Cline had duende.
Not too many people have that gift from the soul.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Trying to think what living performers in our popular culture might be said to have it.
I think Emmylou Harris... she made me cry sitting in the rain at Wolf Trap a couple of years ago, and I wasn't expecting that at all.
Vicki: I am enjoying the Shady Dog Farms videos.
Thanks!
Unless your transposition of "Shady" for "Shaggy" was meant to impugn Katie.
Which I doubt, but you never know. There ARE cliques, about!
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KT Tunstall
"Hold On"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?
v=6nzaK2pHDpU
Gomez is the birfday boy?
Tomorrow's Frank Rich today
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/0...ion/
06rich.html
I like Katie's videos, too. Sadly, I'm currently without dogs.
Mireille Mathieu avec Le chant des partisans avec subtitles.
Gomez is the birfday boy?
billy b
Yeah, I'm 50.
Mo Dowd asks a priest how to find love
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/0...ion/
06dowd.html
You never call me......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h?
v=4zJcBv2Py9U
Good evening, peeps.
Unless your transposition of "Shady" for "Shaggy" was meant to impugn Katie.
No, Jeff, that ain't my style, and I am pro-anti-clique.
I don't do tribal with people who make fun of others very well. Not my thing.
Mo Dowd asks a priest how to find love
That's the best expert one can find.
I went to Pere Lachaise in January... just wandered in, no map or anything, and found that I walked straight up to Piaf's grave.
After that I found a few other names I recognized, but it was Piaf I seemed to have unknowingly homed in on.
freakin' intertubes are messin' with me.
Good evening, folks.
Bonus Critter Blogging is up.
zona pellucida
Not to start things up again, but that is a great band name!
Echidne: I like Katie's videos, too. Sadly, I'm currently without dogs.
Thank you, too, dear.
She and I had a big blow-up yesterday, over blogpimping the site, here. I don't wanna wear out my welcome, y'know?
I know there are people here who hate her, and they're influential folx in this circle.
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"War criminal!" one protester repeatedly yelled as she was escorted out by Secret Service members.
"He has brought fascism to this shore," another man yelled.
clearly, there are still real Americans among us. and what is more uniquely American than being arrested by the Secret Service for speaking the same truths revolutionary Patriots birthed this country by.
Emmy Lou has it, and Linda Rondstadt had it at moments, too.
Yeah, I'm 50.
Shit, you're a youngster.
Let's see if I can cheer you up.
Happy birthday to you
You live in a zoo
You look like an aardvark
and you smell like one too.
Welcome to the age of AARP, my brother.
:
Yves Montand, Chant du Partisan
Bon soir!
Vicki: I don't do tribal with people who make fun of others very well. Not my thing.
Thank you, sweets -- I thought I knew that about you.
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hey marcellina!
Mo Dowd asks a priest how to find love
That's the best expert one can find.
Echidne
If a priest can't get a date no one can.
KITTEH WANNABE!
http://thumbsnap.com/v/CiuZPcEm.jpg
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:05 pm
My Spike is bigger than that dog. Now my sister's late doberman/shepherd mix thought she was a cat-back of the coach, lap sitting. Kind of difficult when you're a 55 lb dog.
Hey, Marcellina.
Either you're up very late, very early, or visiting the States.
I was at this wonderful art fair twice this weekend, and I spent more than I usually spend on such things. I got the coolest jewelry and glass though.
And for my daughter, I got this campy pair of earrings: Retro Barbie shoes turned in to danglers.
She was drooling over them yesterday, so I figured it was a sure thing when I went back today.
You should click on my homepage because I have fantastic writers there today and tomorrah and yesterday. Me, I just sit back and plant flowers. I could get used to this lifestyle.
Today I watched the national version of CNN for the first time in a year.
I learned that Obama and McCain are practically morphing into one centrist candidate with no difference between them, and that the target audience needs viagra, hearing aids and fitness equipment.
And some skinny kid thinks he's going to "remake" this? Pfui!
Legal debate still surrounds McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone
Presumptive Republican nominee's birth location revives debate over the constitutional requirement that limits the presidency to 'natural born' citizens.
By Eunice Moscoso
WASHINGTON BUREAU
Saturday, July 05, 2008
WASHINGTON — Is Sen. John McCain a natural born citizen? Or is he ineligible to be president?
http://www.statesman.com/news/
co...aturalborn.html
Muslim bastard.
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Good evening, peeps.
Marcellina
Having this site band at work again means missing a lot of people.
Nice to see you again, Marcellina.
I learned that Obama and McCain are practically morphing into one centrist candidate with no difference between them, ...
Marcellina | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:13 pm | #
That message was faithfully repeated here.
Honestly, Katie said one of the meanest things I've ever heard -- directed at me! -- in that argument, yesterday. I haven't spoken to her, since.
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Good night, bats.
“After I regale a group with this talk, the despairing cry goes up: ‘But you’ve eliminated everyone!’ Life is unfair.”
Thomas L. Friedman is off today.
So we get MoDo quoting a priest on conjugal bliss. Just as useful.
(and I may not speak to her again if she doesn't call me to apologize for saying it)
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JP,
Make up if you can.
It's hilarious to go back onto the previous thread after it's safely dead and see what kind of shit some troll posts when he thinks everyone's gone.
They are the yappy little dogs of the internets.
Trying to think what living performers in our popular culture might be said to have it.
How about Joan Osborne?
One more thing about that MoDo column: The only interesting bit in it was that the priest said his audience is almost all female. That's a bit worrying if guys don't spend any thought on how to find someone to love that you could go on loving.
Thor, aw shucks.
I haven't spoken to her, since.
beyond a cooling off period, not speaking is the worst way to reconcile.
dirk gently: beyond a cooling off period, not speaking is the worst way to reconcile.
That's been my experience, yeah. 
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Merci, merci, merci echidne...that was a beautiful, inspiring piece of work. I love Edith Piaf Now I'm going to buy all her records again.
G'night, Echidne and other batses.
Echidne | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:16 pm | #
if modo can't find a sufficiently vapid and superficial guy at the nyt, she's really out of luck
marcellina, are you back permanently? on the plus side, that increases the chance of actually meeting you someday. on the downside i can no longer say "my friend the austrian opera star ..."
Modo isn't over Michael Douglas.
clearly, there are still real Americans among us. and what is more uniquely American than being arrested by the Secret Service for speaking the same truths revolutionary Patriots birthed this country by.
We saw the clips of these folks on the intertoobz yesterday. It looked like some of them were from Code Pink. We were so proud we teared up a little, watching.
and what is more uniquely American than being arrested by the Secret Service for speaking the same truths revolutionary Patriots birthed this country by.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
A question I have not seen an answer to: Were any of these people actually arrested, as in confined, charges filed, went before a judge, etc? Or were they just removed from the area of the ceremony and set loose and told, "shoo"?
Because I always try to turn any situation around and imagine that this was a case of hecklers at an Obama rally or other event. (Particularly as this was not a "political" occasion officially, nudge nudge wink wink.)
I can't say I would object to disruptive people being taken out of the area of a ceremony in that case. If they were actually arrested, subjected to fines, etc, that would be different.
dirk, just a few weeks vacation, home in PA. Any new chapters up since 23?
Did not know Piaf much, saw this movie, absolutely loved it, and her.
Trying to think what living performers in our popular culture might be said to have it.
*cough*Ina*cough*
THEME FROM TWIN PEAKS
That gum you like is coming back in sttle.
style.
Trying to think what living performers in our popular culture might be said to have it.
Odd though it may seem, I'd say Patti Smith, for one.
Bonnie Raitt.
And Ina, of course!
Lets see if they actually discuss what the G8 protesters are protesting about.
if modo can't find a sufficiently vapid and superficial guy at the nyt, she's really out of luck
Really, if Nedra Pickler can find a husband at Faux News, etc. . . .
http://
www.democraticunderground...mesg_id=3570256
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Well, obviously Ina.
Nice new grav, though I still like the old one.
Any new chapters up since 23?
Marcellina | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:20 pm | #
chapter 24 is up - vicki and rob arrive at the delphi institute.
25 is going slowly. but i'll have it in a couple of days.
Trying to think what living performers in our popular culture might be said to have it.
John Tesh.
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Thor, aw shucks.
Marcellina
You've always been sweet to me. Enjoy your visit.
Burl Icle Ivanhoe Ives (14 June 1909 – 14 April 1995) was an Academy Award winning American actor and acclaimed folk music singer.
Better version....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?
v=DWjlhVZtXBo
Bonnie Raitt.
And Ina, of course!
Tlazolteotl
{{{mwah!}}}
Did I mention that a friend saw me the other day and said, "Hey, cool, you've got that Bonnie Raitt grey swirl hair!"
The prominent music critic John Rockwell has been quoted in the New York Times as saying that "Burl Ives's voice... had the sheen and finesse of opera without its latter-day Puccinian vulgarities and without the pretensions of operatic ritual. It was genteel in expressive impact without being genteel in social conformity. And it moved people."
btw, marcellina, the character's name was not originally vicki blake. i was having trouble coming up with a name for her, i thought i wanted a gender nuetral name. but then her personality started reminding me of someone, and it seemed so obvious.
Did Burl Ives die again or something?
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Nice new grav, though I still like the old one.
SteveLG
Thanks. It's actually a transition one, the other hasn't appeared yet. If it sucks, I'll go back to the old one!
William H. Rehnquist
Your thoughts on the death of Jesse Helms, Mr. Restrictive Covenant?
Burl Ives was identified in the infamous 1950 pamphlet Red Channels as an entertainer with supposed Communist ties. In 1952, he cooperated with the House Unamerican Activities Committee and named fellow folk singer Pete Seeger and others as possible Communists.
His cooperation with the HUAC ended his blacklisting, allowing him to continue with his movie acting. It also led to a bitter rift between Ives and many folk singers, including Seeger, who felt that Ives had betrayed them and the cause of cultural and political freedom to save his own career. Forty-one years later, Ives and Seeger were reunited in a benefit concert in New York City; they sang "Blue Tail Fly" together.
The encyclopedia troll is a complete mystery to me.
Did Burl Ives die again or something?
Naw - he just went to shit and the hogs ate him.
ina's grav looks even better full size.
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.p...ing=PG&
size=128
dirk gently: beyond a cooling off period, not speaking is the worst way to reconcile.
Heh. My family when I was growing up had the "silent" treatment down pat. They would have a fight with my aunt and uncle, then not speak for months.
The encyclopedia troll is a complete mystery to me.
Think 'jack'.
Burl Ives traveled about the U.S. as an itinerant singer during the early 1930s, earning his way by doing odd jobs and playing his banjo. He was jailed in Mona, Utah, for vagrancy and for singing “Foggy Foggy Dew,” which the authorities decided was a bawdy song.
Burl Ives may have cooperated with HUAC and made up with Pete Seeger, but I will never forgive him for "Holly Jolly Christmas."
Evening all. Wanted to let everyone know of the passing this afternoon of The Rev. Louis Coleman, a giant in field of civil rights in Louisville and Kentucky. Louis was just 64 years old, a tireless activist for people who had little or no voice in our community. He's irreplaceable in this community; he was recognized as the most visible voice in the black community. And he was a terrific friend.
One brief story gives some insight into the man. For years, blacks were passed over for promotion by the DuPont company. They were kept in menial jobs; given unequal pay -- the usual story. A group of employees and former employees filed a discrimination suit against the company. It took more than two decades to litigate. During some of those years, Louis would travel alone to DuPont shareholder meetings in Delaware, and he'd hold a one-man protest while the annual report was given. He "kept the faith" for those who deserved justice, and once -- as a spokesman for the group -- rejected a settlement offer of $1,500 per person. (There were 215 plaintiffs.) Eventually, Louis and a couple of attorney's who took up the case at its end won a courtroom victory and the employees received more than $100,000 apiece.
The Rev. Louis Coleman marched with King, was beaten in Alabama, Kentucky and other places. He was arrested more than 30 times.
He was a champion of justice and he'll be missed.
yeah.
fuck off jack.
ina's grav looks even better full size.
http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.p...tar.p...ing=PG&
size=128
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
Hey! Wait! That's the new one! How did you do that???
In the last thread, someone erroneously said that Obama has pledged in his recent statement on the coming surveillance vote to institute criminal investigations into warrantless surveillance, once/if he is president .
He did say he would have investigations. But he said NOTHING about criminal investigations or illegal actions. He talked exclusively about internal investigations by the administration in order to correct problems with surveillance. There was NOTHING about prosecutions or any mention of illegal acts.
yeah.
fuck off jack.
Hey, chick.
'sup?
I also ♥ Sarah Siskind. I worked with her hubbie, Brian, at HCA.
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Think 'jack'.
billy b
Not who. Why.
Your thoughts on the death of Jesse Helms, Mr. Restrictive Covenant?
As the prophecy goes, in death, he'll return to his true form as a frog and then have to wait one hundred years before the kiss of princess will once again allow him to assume new life as a reptilian-human beast.
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but then her personality started reminding me of someone, and it seemed so obvious.
Funny you mention that, because I had been wondering!
In 1940 Burl Ives began his own radio show, titled The Wayfaring Stranger after one of his ballads. The show was very popular. In the 1940s he popularized several traditional folk songs, such as “Lavender Blue” (his first hit, a folk song from the 17th century), “Foggy Foggy Dew” (an English/Irish folk song), “Blue Tail Fly” (an old Civil War tune) and “Big Rock Candy Mountain” (an old hobo ditty).
Y'all are still civil, be back later.
I love this man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?
v=kA6W6SnHKJw
Y'all are still civil, be back later.
1Watt, Hermit
I can't turn that on and off.
Jack should be banned, one letter short in name template or not.
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ina's grav looks even better full size.
Wow. Ina is tiny!
burl ives: fink and snitch. the complete package.
Between September and December 1943, Burl Ives lived in California with actor Harry Morgan, who played Colonel Sherman T. Potter on M*A*S*H many years later.
He did say he would have investigations. But he said NOTHING about criminal investigations or illegal actions. He talked exclusively about internal investigations by the administration in order to correct problems with surveillance. There was NOTHING about prosecutions or any mention of illegal acts.
True, but the possibility of criminal investigations exists as the bill only lets the telcos off the hook for civil action.
Hey! Wait! That's the new one! How did you do that???
ina, let them eat ice cream | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:30 pm | #
right click on the grav and copy the image location, paste it into a browser address and change the size=# at the end - haloscan uses size=32, the biggest you can use (i think) is size=128
it usually gives the newest one registered 'coz the size changing overrides the cache. and one of the flay rods is out of skew on the treadle.
billy b I'm trying to get drunk.
Not having much success.
Col. Potter was from Muskegon, Michigan
In July, 2008, the following happened:
Comment by lou blocked.
Fuck off and die.
He was a champion of justice and he'll be missed.
Glenn
Thanks for sharing that information about Rev Coleman. I wasn't familiar with the man or his work.
Sixty-four is way too young.
I visited Louisville once and really liked it. Some neighborhoods with real character. Suppose there's a lot more that doesn't meet the eye, as there always is.
Did I mention that a friend saw me the other day and said, "Hey, cool, you've got that Bonnie Raitt grey swirl hair!"
That's great! Because I have one too, on my right side, where I was cut by flying glass in a car accident. It did something to the hair follicles just in that little patch, that comes in white now. I was wearing it natural for several years, but currently have it colored over.
Think 'jack'.
billy b
Not who. Why.
heh.
There's no why to jack.
jack is.
Evening,
Probably the biggest hit by Burl Ives was An Itty Bitty Tear.
He went on to star in a TV show with EG Marshall called the Defenders.
Still, he sold out his friends to HUAC.
Wow. Ina is tiny!
atablarasa
you've really got to upgrade that 9" monitor.
A well written song always take the listener places....John Prine can do that to me.
In 1987, Austrian rock singer Burl Ives recorded Rock Me Amadeus ....Amadeus...Amadeus...Amadeus
True, but the possibility of criminal investigations exists as the bill only lets the telcos off the hook for civil action.
billy b
but who would do that if he is only going to ask the office of inspector general to snoozle around to corret bureaucratic errors and ensure clean surveillance going forward.
where is the pledge to investigate the criminality that we are living with?
Wow. Ina is tiny!
atablarasa
I wish!
and one of the flay rods is out of skew on the treadle.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
that's easy for you to say...
He was a champion of justice and he'll be missed.
Glenn | 07.05.08 - 10:29 pm
Amen.
Sometimes I wonder if God stopped making humans like that, again.
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He did say he would have investigations. But he said NOTHING about criminal investigations or illegal actions.
I thought it was the Congressional branch that had purview over illegal acts by the executive? was I confused?
Col. Potter was from Muskegon, Michigan
Oh, horse hockey.
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True, but the possibility of criminal investigations exists as the bill only lets the telcos off the hook for civil action.
Somehow, given how the system's worked for some time now, the word, "possibility" doesn't fill me with either hope or eager anticipation....
Funny you mention that, because I had been wondering!
Marcellina | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:31 pm | #
it works backwards sometimes, which is always better. by which i mean, i'm never too successful basing a character on someone. but sometimes after i write the char, he/she reminds me of someone. that's always cool.
Vicki,
Unfortunately, in the scheme of things, Muskegon is usually a pretty good place to be from.
But this has been a great weekend for our visitors at the Summer Celebration and the Rothbury Festival, hasn't it been?
I am really glad for the people in Rothbury. I hope this becomes a HUGE annual event. It cannot hurt the area to have these young people from other places see how naturally beautiful and friendly this area is. . . .
In his later years, Burl Ives and his wife, Dorothy, lived with their children in a home located alongside the water in Anacortes, in the Puget Sound area of Washington. He also had a home just south of Hope Town on Elbow Cay, a barrier island of the Abacos in the Bahamas.
DWD,
I infused your local artist community with all of my monetary belongings this weekend.
Well, actually, artists from Flint and Saginaw and Minnesota and Muskegon and Hart, but still.
You got my parking dought, two days in a row, and my money for a cool, fresh squeezed lemonade.
That is the best art fair between Milwaukee and Ann Arbor. In fact, I'd say it's the second best art fair in the state.
And Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore knows her art fairs.
mrs. ibrahim,
the justice department can prosecute crimes.
hey, john mitchell was a felon and elliot abrams, too.
all prosecuted by the executive branch.
I thought it was the Congressional branch that had purview over illegal acts by the executive? was I confused?
No, only the Executive branch can investigate the Executive branch.
lou
How did you wind up becoming a fat aggie transvestive troll, Allen?
It would make for a fascinating Associated Content article.
StevenLG,
Thanks for the comment. My remarks about my friend weren't very well written; I guess I was in too much of a hurry to let people know that this good man was gone.
And yes, Louisville has a lot going for it. But like most places, there are hidden in the margins people who get little or no attention, share little or no role in determining their own destiny. Rev. Coleman led those people; helped those people and loved them, too. It'll be interesting to see if anyone can pick up the torch.
billy b I'm trying to get drunk.
Not having much success.
Right there wit' ya, MBK.
I think the etOH is starting to have an effect here...
you've really got to upgrade that 9" monitor.
Dude, 17", cut!
Tlazolteotl | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:34 pm
Do you sing? 'Cause you should.
To paraphrase Kelly Joe Phelps, "All of us, one way or another, are singers. Let your song fly. The rest of us need it."
the reality is though, that given the pass we are about to issue for civil acts, you can bet your first born that bush is going to pardon everyone involved in telco warrantless criminality, even if he has to name everyone on his staff, the nsa, the doj and every CEO in telco land.
the justice department can prosecute crimes.
hey, john mitchell was a felon and elliot abrams, too.
all prosecuted by the executive branch.
peterboy
Were those regular Justice Department prosecutions, or Special Counsel?
Not a rhetorical question... I'm wondering.
More local news coverage of scooter thefts.... ARRRRGH!
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Right there wit' ya, MBK.
Uh, HBK/
Like I said about the ethanol.
Do you sing? 'Cause you should.
To paraphrase Kelly Joe Phelps, "All of us, one way or another, are singers. Let your song fly. The rest of us need it."
Happy Feet!
Sometimes I wonder if God stopped making humans like that, again.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory
Being as I do not particularly belived in "god" in that sense, I lean more to the feeling that such people make themselves.
as could we all, if we but would....
Thanks indeed for the story Glenn, I hate it when I find out about such people only in their obituaries. But better then than not at all.
No, only the Executive branch can investigate the Executive branch.
NTodd, Super Grand Poomba | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:38 pm | #
er, don't you mean prosecute?
allen butler has always already carried a torch for burl ives. remember, "a fink and a snitch: the complete package" is what our underemployed Aggiue has always fancied himself as.
qed
No, only the Executive branch can investigate the Executive branch.
Executive Privilege*
*Offer expires Jan. 20, 2009
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What do thieves do with the scooters?
special counsel, but the same shit holds. but for the pardon parade in January.
Do you sing? 'Cause you should.
To paraphrase Kelly Joe Phelps, "All of us, one way or another, are singers. Let your song fly. The rest of us need it."
I certainly do around the house. And when driving. I'm going to talk myself into karaoke at some point, probably after a few beers.
But I like to flatter myself that I'm not too horrible.
bush is going to pardon everyone involved in telco warrantless criminality,
don't they have to be convicted before they can be pardoned?
I think we are responsible for the humans we make. God is at best a spectator.
More local news coverage of scooter thefts.... ARRRRGH!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Thieves always frost my charlies.
And yes, singing sometimes does make me happy, at least.
Being as I do not particularly belived in "god" in that sense
I was speaking metapharmacologically.
Doesn't it show?
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To paraphrase Kelly Joe Phelps, "All of us, one way or another, are singers. Let your song fly. The rest of us need it."
ina, let them eat ice cream
I almost mentioned Kelly Joe as a performer with duende, but figured no one would no who I was talking about.
His best shows he just... goes someplace so deep... it's like he's bringing each note, each word, up out of the silence. Like he's reinventing each song or something, even if you've heard it dozens of times.
I thought it was the Congressional branch that had purview over illegal acts by the executive? was I confused?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
John Yoo thinks you are, yes. There are no illegal acts by the executive branch.
And if you disagree, sue Nixon's ghost.
It'd be a bitch if the Duo of Disaster, Dread and Doom should somehow be unable to fulfill their duties in time to pardon all those mofo's...
But then I'm not too certain that Pelosi wouldn't do a Ford to "heal the country."
don't they have to be convicted before they can be pardoned?
Nope, pardons can cover all past crimes, prosecuted or otherwise. Remember Nixon and Ford's pardon of him?
Burl Ives singing "Silver and Gold" in the obviously homoerotic "Rudolph" Christmas special has been a regular feature at our house. But every time I heard him sing, I thought about him singing in D.C. to Fat Joe and the boys.
Perhaps he was a good guy in his later years; I don't know. But he'll always be a tarnished figure in my eyes.
the reality is though, that given the pass we are about to issue for civil acts, you can bet your first born that bush is going to pardon everyone involved in telco warrantless criminality, even if he has to name everyone on his staff, the nsa, the doj and every CEO in telco land.
good. Obama's Justice Dept appointees should make sure that they are prepared to prosecute each and evry criminal Bush doesn't explicitly pardon. lawyers working overtime to make sure that each pardon Bush issues covers which particular specific acts
More local news coverage of scooter thefts.... ARRRRGH!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Think of it as advance pre- (and free) publicity for your forthcoming product.
Shared Humanity 10:24 pm | #
nice clip, thanx.
les paul
I think we are responsible for the humans we make. God is at best a spectator.
Shared Humanity | 07.05.08 - 10:42 pm | #
i've been re-reading letters from earth (can't find mr rosewater) - casts creation as an experiment of natural law, the angels are quite amused at man's conceit that god acts in his behalf.
Bush is going to have to pardon like 500 people.
don't they have to be convicted before they can be pardoned? -dirk gently
eeexcellent point there dirk ... now let's pray
All of us, one way or another, are singers.
Who'da thought?
special counsel, but the same shit holds. but for the pardon parade in January.
peterboy
Is there still legislation in effect to permit the appointment of Special Counsels?
Nope, pardons can cover all past crimes, prosecuted or otherwise. Remember Nixon and Ford's pardon of him?<
And Bush's pardon of the Iran-Contra folks.
Perhaps he was a good guy in his later years; I don't know. But he'll always be a tarnished figure in my eyes.
From what I've seen over the years, it would take a whole helluva lot to piss off Pete Seeger, and Ives managed to do just that....
"All of us, one way or another, are singers. Let your song fly. The rest of us need it."
Last night while waiting for fireworks, the emcee who'd been regaling us with a less than stellar performance invited the crowd to sing America the Beautiful. The old dude in front of us started belting out the lyrics, startling a lot of us around him, but he proved himself to be marvelous.
Thieves always frost my charlies.
Gomez | 07.05.08 - 10:42 pm | #
speaking of which, someone robbed my son's theater group yesterday. bastards. receipts from their first film and last show. big money, to them.
pisses me off no end.
i've been re-reading letters from earth
A whole book full of "favorite quotes" in that one.
"Man is the only animal with the true religion...several of 'em" is just one of my favorites.
jeez dirk, that's terrible.
but who would do that if he is only going to ask the office of inspector general to snoozle around to corret bureaucratic errors and ensure clean surveillance going forward.
where is the pledge to investigate the criminality that we are living with?
While I would love for Obama to get nasty with the current administration, I don't think he can.
The Bush Administration is not to be toyed with.
The Democrats are not in a position to challenge the Bushies straight up right now.
This all sucks, yes. But that's as it is.
Hey! I ain't as dumb as I look! I actually figured out what dirk said!
(though I wasn't smart enough to copy the text of this post before hitting publish and haloscan ate it the first time...)
grrr... trying x3
Is there still legislation in effect to permit the appointment of Special Counsels?
Yes, DoJ rules permit it--remember Fitzgerald and the Libby trial? That was his status at the time.
Perhaps you're thinking of the Independent Counsel law? That has been changed. Congress allowed it to lapse, in 1999, I think.
Nope, pardons can cover all past crimes, prosecuted or otherwise. Remember Nixon and Ford's pardon of him?
montag | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:43 pm | #
well, does he at least have to say what the pardon is for?
GREEN FIELDS OF FRANCE
Since we're all patriotic and shit.
Bin Laden and the terrorists defeated Bush, McCain, and the GOP. Hands down. Anyone who votes for the FISA bill is voting to surrender our freedoms to terror. These are simply the facts.
Sorry,
I am really beginning to wonder if Barack Obama has just hired a new campaign staff. Since he decided to put up his fake presidential seal his campaign has really been doing strange things, IMHO.
This bit with the merit pay is another. I don't care if he has always felt this way: he is wrong. There really is no way to do this fairly and furthermore there is no necessity.
My nephew, who also teaches in the inner city, asked the really important question, "What do these people think that we do all day?" And that really is the kicker, isn't it?
Do they really believe that we can be browbeaten into doing a better job than we already are doing? Do they believe that punishing us or putting our jobs in jeopardy to some ass-kissing sycophantic administrator will suddenly improve the quality of education?
As Greg pointed out, "If they really want to improve the quality of education in the poor schools they will provide the parents with jobs and health care and hope."
But I guess that would be too hard: so we take it out on the teachers.
Again.
Hey! I ain't as dumb as I look! I actually figured out what dirk said!
just 'cause you're pretty doesn't mean you look dumb.
Yes, DoJ rules permit it--remember Fitzgerald and the Libby trial? That was his status at the time.
Perhaps you're thinking of the Independent Counsel law? That has been changed. Congress allowed it to lapse, in 1999, I think.
montag
That is what I was thinking of. I knew it had expired, which is why is was always sort of confused how the Fitzgerald thing happened.
And Bush's pardon of the Iran-Contra folks.
Wouldn't it be funny if we some day found out that the blanket anonymous Iran Contra immunity also kept Poppy's ass out of jail?
Bin Laden and the terrorists defeated Bush, McCain, and the GOP. Hands down. Anyone who votes for the FISA bill is voting to surrender our freedoms to terror. These are simply the facts.
Tralfaz
Absolutely.
Churchill said it well, too:
"We must not ever wield the tools of tyrants even against the forces of tyranny."
I just want to say, right here and right now, my sunburn really really hurts.
Buenas noches.
DWD,
JFK once referred to journalists as "the last of the educated poor."
We've certainly put teachers in that category, too. We have never properly rewarded those who commit their lives to securing the future -- which is exactly what teachers do, I think.
Who'da thought?
Marcellina |
Well, I didn't say "trained" singers!
The old dude in front of us started belting out the lyrics, startling a lot of us around him, but he proved himself to be marvelous.
footloose
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
Yes, DoJ rules permit it
After the Rove/Gonzalez purges finding a U.S. Attorney that isn't strictly a Republican operative will be a miracle...
i'm going upstairs, stripping off all my clothes, and going to bed.
think i might bring y'all with me.
Since we're all patriotic and shit.
War is shit
I just want to say, right here and right now, my sunburn really really hurts.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
You aren't wearing wool, are you?
well, does he at least have to say what the pardon is for?
A full pardon can be as general as covering all past actions. As I recall, Ford's pardon of Nixon was exceedingly short.
What is supposed to be a requirement for a pardon, though, is that the recipient acknowledges his guilt. That's hardly followed in political pardons, though.
The only other bright spot about blanket pardons is that once a person accepts a pardon, he must be willing to testify fully and freely at any time on matters known to him. So, if there were a wholesale pardon at midnight, Jan. 20th, all those named as pardoned would have to make themselves available to Congress and the DoJ, and any state courts with cases pending.
just 'cause you're pretty doesn't mean you look dumb.
dirk gently, sociopathetic |
Why, I do believe I'm ready to help you battle the pimentos, kind sir!
I am really beginning to wonder if Barack Obama has just hired a new campaign staff
No, BUT MCCAIN DID!
He hired Charlie Black, whose most famous product has been much in the news of late: the "wadding up the job rejection letter" ad, with the words "you really needed that job, but they had to give it to a minority." Done in the cause of the reelection of the late hatemeister Jesse Helms.
It has been noted several times just tonight that we are being played like a Stradivarious. And all the pissing and moaning we do is bringing Republican operatives to orgasm.
Notice how troll-free we've pretty much been? Why should they bother when we're doing it ourselves?
Seriously, google Charlie (or Charles) Black. A guy to make Rove look like Little Bo Peep. And he's running McCain's campaign since the latest "shakeup" over there.
Bush's pardon list will be the longest in history, I suspect.
It may even include himself.
From what I gather, while a President can't override an impeachment conviction, there's essentially no other restrictions. Impeachment, of course, is "off the table". As such, if he feels like he might be found criminally culpable after his term ends, there is nothing to stop him from using his pardoning power on himself.
i'm going upstairs, stripping off all my clothes, and going to bed.
think i might bring y'all with me.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:54 pm | #
Better make it a double!!
Uh-oh - I am getting the evil eye from she who must be walked.
After the Rove/Gonzalez purges finding a U.S. Attorney that isn't strictly a Republican operative will be a miracle...
Umm, US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President, so, it's customary for them to be replaced when a new President is inaugurated. Most new presidents do, in fact, replace the bulk of them.
Why, I do believe I'm ready to help you battle the pimentos, kind sir!
ina, let them eat ice cream | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 10:56 pm | #
too late, i'm afraid. i'm a francophilic pimento appeasing surrender monkey.
too many innocnet martinis have been killed today already. i'm calling the rest back to strategic positions lest i need them again in future against those bastard little onions.
So, if there were a wholesale pardon at midnight, Jan. 20th, all those named as pardoned would have to make themselves available to Congress and the DoJ, and any state courts with cases pending.
montag
Helms will give up asking for the whites only section in hell before any of the Bush junta testifies...
well, does he at least have to say what the pardon is for?
dirk gently, sociopathetic
GHWBush's pardon of Weinberger, Abrams, McFarlane, Clarridge and George simply said that they were being pardoned for all conduct related to the Iran-Contra matter (I can't find the actual text of the pardons, just Bush's statement).
So it can obviously be quite general and quite sweeping: "any and all conduct relating to their duties etc etc"
Could be the basis of a court challenge, though I don't know who'd have standing to bring it.
As such, if he feels like he might be found criminally culpable after his term ends, there is nothing to stop him from using his pardoning power on himself.
Check the Constitution. The President may not pardon himself.
Seriously, google Charlie (or Charles) Black. A guy to make Rove look like Little Bo Peep. And he's running McCain's campaign since the latest "shakeup" over there.
Xan
I fear you are right, Xan. And DWD gave voice to my rising fears about our nominee, too. This may end up being the nastiest campaign in memory, and that's saying something. I just hope the country has grown tired of the Republican tactics, but deep down inside I don't believe they have.
Damn.
Umm, US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President, so, it's customary for them to be replaced when a new President is inaugurated. Most new presidents do, in fact, replace the bulk of them.
montag
and the few who refused to prosecute baseless allegations were fired.
The Peak Metal thread over at Orange Satan is some scary reading. Gallium, Indium, Zinc, Tantalum all essentially gone within a decade. Copper getting really scarce not long after that. We are really starting to use this place up.
Could be the basis of a court challenge, though I don't know who'd have standing to bring it.
SteveLG | 07.05.08 - 10:59 pm | #
the hague? surely pardons do not extend to the international court (prolly why bush has refused to recognize it)
in 100% cotton I am shorn.
and it really really hurts. what a whiner I am, but the waves were worth it. and my kids weren't sunburnt, copious amounts of 50SPF saw to that.
The President may not pardon himself.
montag
Yeah, remember he has to ask Condi's permission.
It has been noted several times just tonight that we are being played like a Stradivarious.
Yup. It's been fucking astonishing. Along those lines...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...ives/
202874.php
AP On the Case!
Yesterday we flagged the AP's Jennifer Loven's 'analysis' piece flogging the McCain/RNC spin on Obama's run to the center. Well, as every crack communication operation knows, message repetition is the key to success. And so today we have another 'analysis' piece, this time by the AP's Steven Hurst. And it's practically the same piece. Hurst and Loven actually both use the identical quote from RNC spinmeister Alex Conant.
Says Conant: ""There appears to be no issue that Barack Obama is not willing to reverse himself on for the sake of political expedience."
The identical quote appears in both pieces. If the pieces weren't bylined I think I might have assumed one was a rewrite of the other. But they actually appear to be two completely original articles, just mouthing the identical McCain/RNC line.
It seems like we might have a case of persistent Solomonism at the AP, even though the master himself is now two jobs on. This is really going to bear watching.
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I noticed a few stupid chumps yesterday talking about the AP "getting it right" about Obama.
Fuck that shit.
The Green Fields of France
It says The Furies with Davey Arthur but that is wrong. It should say the Fureys and the singer is the writer of the song, Eric Bogle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...h?v=ntt3wy-
L8Ok
Check the Constitution. The President may not pardon himself.
And that's why he's playing even stupider than he is.
Helms will give up asking for the whites only section in hell before any of the Bush junta testifies...
They may try, but, if they accept a pardon, they can be compelled, and jailed for contempt if they resist. One gives up all Fifth Amendment rights to self-incrimination if one has accepted a pardon.
Whether an Obama DoJ would push the issue remains to be seen.
and it really really hurts
get ye some solarcain spray. and aloe vera. you'll thank yourself.
Check the Constitution. The President may not pardon himself.
montag
He can't avoid impeachment with a pardon, but I'm not so sure that he can't pardon himself to avoid criminal prosecution.
hi songbird. enjoying your visit back home?
Hey! I ain't as dumb as I look! I actually figured out what dirk said!
HEY! you are not dumb - you are just ... um ...
slow
get the aloe vera jell and keep it in the refrigerator. gives at least a few seconds of relief.
Whether an Obama DoJ would push the issue remains to be seen.
montag
I think Eric Holder's a lock for Attorney General.
Evening, all.
Been away since the afternoon -- anybody we're hating on I should know about:?
sorry, Xan, but charlie black was running McCain's campaign even before his CEO, Mark Penn, signed on for the job of "running" Hillary's campaign.
he hague? surely pardons do not extend to the international court (prolly why bush has refused to recognize it)
No, US presidential pardons extend only to US courts. They have no authority in foreign courts or under international law.
Whether an Obama DoJ would push the issue remains to be seen.
Agreeing to unconditional immunity for Bush's telco henchman isn't a good sign that he will do the right thing when it comes to prosecuting Bush junta crimes.
Check the Constitution. The President may not pardon himself.
I have.
It says he can not override an impeachment. There is nothing that says he can't pardon himself in cases not involving an impeachment.
Unlike Ms. Piaf, I regret a lot of things.
the solarcain (or some other 'cain) will numb the pain - aloe will soothe, but more importantly will actually help heal the skin damage.
On c-span2/BookTV almost now:
Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics, and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism
Author: Kevin Phillips
Upcoming Schedule
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Sunday, July 6, at 7:30 AM
About the Program
Kevin Phillips takes a critical look at the U.S.'s economic policies and the financial institutions that dominate the economy. He spoke at the Louisville Free Public Library in Kentucky.
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the hague? surely pardons do not extend to the international court (prolly why bush has refused to recognize it)
dirk gently, sociopathetic
No, they don't. Just federal crimes.
Presidential pardons don't even go to any state offenses the office-holder might have committed.
I don't start at zero every day. Every day I start off with a lot of baggage.
when we lived in tucson, we always had pots and pots of aloe growing. fresh from the leaves is a miracle worker.
Notice how troll-free we've pretty much been? Why should they bother when we're doing it ourselves?
Seriously, google Charlie (or Charles) Black. A guy to make Rove look like Little Bo Peep. And he's running McCain's campaign since the latest "shakeup" over there.
Xan
Look, I will NOT Shut up about his bullshit. If Barack Obama wants my support (he already has my vote and apparently that is ALL he wants) he is going to have to stop doing this stupid shit.
Faith Based Initiatives?
FISA
Merit Pay for teachers (how about for politicians?)
And all of these other more nuanced positions.
I want Democratic positions. If he does not choose to publicize them, fine. But I will NOT have them disrespected or run against.
Early start and early end to the day. Huge fun, but everyone involved is tired. We can sleep right through the neighbors' party music.
Night, bats...
I found, about ten years ago, with daughter's awful sunburn, that a sock filled with just basic oatmeal, sponged on her back in the bathtub, really did help with it. Aloe is good, really good, but the oatmeal squeeze from the sock helped an awful lot.
Been away since the afternoon -- anybody we're hating on I should know about:?
the asshole cracker next to us this afternoon who wondered out loudto her husband how "there were so many colored kids at the beach this year."
good thing Ibrahim only mentioned it when the kids were already locked and loaded in the stroller, ready for the stroll to see seabirds.
good thing the fuckers were gone when we came back.
fokowi, yes, especially the different fauna, such as two incredibly loud tree frogs just outside the door.
And the wood thrush.
sorry, Xan, but charlie black was running McCain's campaign even before his CEO, Mark Penn, signed on for the job of "running" Hillary's campaign.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
The new McCain day to day ops guy is Rove's protege, Steve Schmidt. He's a baddie.
the asshole cracker next to us this afternoon who wondered out loudto her husband how "there were so many colored kids at the beach this year."
maybe she meant "red" - i understand you were glowing like a boiled lobster.
DWD:
If Barack Obama wants my support (he already has my vote and apparently that is ALL he wants) he is going to have to stop doing this stupid shit.
Why should he have your vote if he won't have your support? Sounds like you're not your own man.
fresh from the leaves is a miracle worker.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
that's the best
Check the Constitution. The President may not pardon himself.
a
But he can pardon his henchman, thus pardoning himself.
Cf: Bush senior, pardoning Weinberger et al.
And then they all fucking laughed about it. Made the front page of the Times, with Weinberger guffawing.
Story disappeared after two days.
Tell me again how the system isn't rigged and we should all believe the schoolboy myths of American democracy....
there were so many colored kids at the beach this year.
I thought my uncle was the only person left who used the word "colored."
I am so frequently wrong.
i'm not like them, but i can pretend...
Why should he have your vote if he won't have your support? Sounds like you're not your own man.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 11:10 pm | #
You can blow yourself like Ron Jeremy, right?
So why are you here?
Seriously -- just go blow yourself. You'll feel better, and we won't have to talk to you with your dick in your mouth.
ZOMGLOLOL
Holiday=extra time/pent-up energy=much
debating=its all good
And the wood thrush.
Marcellina |
Oatmeal sock?
Why should he have your vote if he won't have your support? Sounds like you're not your own man.
Toby Petzold
Subtly obviously isn't your strong point.
I'm out; have a good night, beautiful people.
sorry, Xan, but charlie black was running McCain's campaign even before his CEO, Mark Penn, signed on for the job of "running" Hillary's campaign.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Mrs. i, of course he was on board (what else is a scumbag in that line of work going to do after all?) but would you not agree there is a difference between being a semi-lowly "campaign operative" and being in charge of the whole kit and kaboodle?
It just baffles me that as politically savvy a crowd as this one usually is, is falling for the line of droppings they're trying to feed us.
Of course this is going to be "the dirtiest campaign in history," was there ever any doubt? they have nothing, nothing whatsoever to run on except destroying Obama by any means available.
I refuse to be one of those means.
Steve Schmidt? John Fund loves him:
The John McCain campaign ... installed Steve Schmidt, until now an ultraintense counselor to the campaign, as its operations manager.
Mr. Schmidt has a reputation for ruthless efficiency, a take-no-prisoners campaign style and the ability to inspire confidence in subordinates. Karl Rove once dubbed him "The Bullet," a reference to both the shape of his shaved head and his lethal impact when deployed against opponents.
Starting with a stint on Capitol Hill as communications director for the House Republican campaign effort, the 37-year-old Mr. Schmidt has had a meteoric rise in politics. He became a counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney, where he helped shepherd the Supreme Court nominations of John Roberts and Sam Alito through the Senate. He then took on the task of running Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's re-election campaign in California. At the time, the governor was languishing at below 40% approval in polls and had serious problems with his conservative base. When Election Day rolled around nearly a year later, the situation had completely reversed.
His (McCain's) staff shakeup has certainly improved spirits among the donors and GOP insiders I spoke with.
I refuse to be one of those means.
you and me both, sister.
Simels, your preoccupation with me and the subject of fellatio is frankly disturbing.
BTW, why won't BHO release his birth certificate?
I like Obama's suggestion feature and I actually used it. I suggested he take a million dollars of his campaign money and use it to clean up a few blocks of New Orleans and challenge McCain to do the same.
That is how you reach out to the middle - not some muddled faith based initiative crap.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari, other than what's been said about the aloe and the oatmeal and such, make sure that you're eating well. The body heals a lot better with the right fuel to start with.
I'm really trying to not let one asshole ruin an awesome vacation.
the fireworks were superb! go America!
evening bats
I'll feed the troll once and then re-enable killfile
http://www.barackobama.com/
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Sounds like you're not your own man.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 11:10 pm | #
From an expert in selling our his principles, such as they are.
BTW, why won't BHO release his birth certificate?
Next January? I'll be asking for a day off to watch McCain's inauguration.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 05.30.08 - 12:10 am | #
we are not laughing with you, we are laughing at you.
It says he can not override an impeachment. There is nothing that says he can't pardon himself in cases not involving an impeachment.
You're right, in that it has never happened and never been litigated. I didn't remember the language properly. I thought it said he may pardon anyone else for crimes.
The US Constitution, Article II, Section 2...
1. The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several States, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
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Nothing specific about a President pardoning himself if he hasn't been impeached. One suspects that the writers of the Constitution probably were too naive to envision a Congress taking impeachment off the table.
BTW, why won't BHO release his birth certificate?
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 11:16 pm | #
He did. You just won't admit it, since it spoils your lie. You have no morals.
Phillips is harshing my doom.
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In honor of Burl Ives's vast influence on American vocal music, on October 25, 1975 he was awarded the prestigious University of Pennsylvania Glee Club Award of Merit
Shared Humanity: What do thieves do with the scooters?
Generally, sell them to buy crack.
One East Nashville resident recovered his when his neighbor bought it from the thieves for $40. A nearly $3000 Yamaha Vino 125. Had under 3K miles on it.
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I guess I know where to get me next scooter
Xan: Think of it as advance pre- (and free) publicity for your forthcoming product.
You're right, of course. It's not like the thefts are going down, any more than gas prices will.
.
What's the reason to have a scootoer instead of a motorccycle?
Did your mother fart in front of the children?
$40. A nearly $3000 Yamaha Vino 125. Had under 3K miles on it.
Gee, no one could have imagined that that might be stolen property.
Did your mother fart in front of the children?
noon | 07.05.08 - 11:27 pm | #
No, that was just Toby.
He did. You just won't admit it, since it spoils your lie. You have no morals.
Nah. Toby is simply profoundly stupid.
Did your mother fart in front of the children?
noon | 07.05.08 - 11:27 pm | #
No, that was just Toby.
ronjazz | 07.05.08 - 11:28 pm | #
Toby was teh farrrt?
So when will McCain release his military and medical records, along with his wife's financials? Here's a guy already caught in illegal activities, a proven corrupt official, and his wife gets to hide their finances? Typical repig felons.
Toonscribe: Gee, no one could have imagined that that might be stolen property.
Dood recognized it as his neighbor's, and offered the $40 to recover it from two shady, large men. They took the money, and dood returned it to his neighbor (who I assume gave him the $40 back!).
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Wow. Arizona's in first place in the NL West, with a record of 43-45.
As a Padre fan, I can say with confidence that is one sucky division.
What color were the scooter thieves?
How many presidential candidates have had to release their birth certificate? Jeebus, wingnuts are crying whiny babies.
What color were the scooter thieves?
Your mother's color. How's that?
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Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 11:16 pm | #
noon | 07.05.08 - 11:27 pm | #
So, do you guys go on dates with each other?
I'll bet Austin is abuzz with your hot Dungeons and Dragons action.
Jeebus, wingnuts are crying whiny babies.
puppethead | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 11:31 pm | #
Note that nobody's patriotism was ever questioned by the media before, either. wingnuts are crying, whiny, racist babies.
So, do you guys go on dates with each other?
I'll bet Austin is abuzz with your hot Dungeons and Dragons action.
Richard
Could be the same guy.
So, yeah. He does go on dates with himself. Probably without even leaving the basement.
Dood recognized it as his neighbor's, and offered the $40 to recover it from two shady, large men.
I am well rebuked then. That was very nice of the guy.
I'll bet Austin is abuzz with your hot Dungeons and Dragons action.
Richard |
Probably just trying to pretend he doesn't already know. You guys probably do pagan rituals wearing velvet cloaks up in your bedrooms, too.
Dragons "on" dragons
How many presidential candidates have had to release their birth certificate? Jeebus, wingnuts are crying whiny babies.
none that were actually born within the United States of America, as far as I know. when will McCain release his? one would think that a foreigner like John would have to provide every actual citizen with a copy of his birth certificate, seeing as he's running for President.
So when will McCain release his military and medical records, along with his wife's financials? Here's a guy already caught in illegal activities, a proven corrupt official, and his wife gets to hide their finances? Typical repig felons.
Well, he and his wife file separate returns. (And, even though AZ is a community property state, I think, the fact that McCain signed a prenuptial agreement clouds that a bit).
Technically, he released his medical records for review, even though the circumstances were pretty hinky.
I doubt that his entire military records are ever going to be released, but, he ought to have released at least a summary, since he's made such a big damned deal of it as his qualification for the Presidency.
Why don't you go shopping on the Internet for the Highlander sword or a DVD of Braveheart? That would be so rad.
of all of the hidden, classified, and otherwise unavailable documents i would like to see, i think obama's birth certificate would be the least interesting.
by far.
why won't cheney release ... well, anything?
I missed all of Jubal doing dinner related program activities.
The Democratic Principles of DWDism
1. The War in Iraq must be ended ASAP
2. The USA will not hire mercenaries for any purpose whatsoever.
3. Legitimate government functions will be performed by the government
4. Everyone will contribute to the payment for the legitimate government services on a needs based basis. (The more you earn, the more you pay.)
5. There will be no caps on Social Security Taxes
6. National Health Insurance for everyone from the cradle to the grave - with death benefits for the family
7. Equalized funding for education
8. No government subsidies for private eduction
9. Complete and absolute separation of church and state.
10. Restoring the Fairness Doctrine.
11. Reestablishing the Estate Tax in all of its glory to the levels of the Eisenhower Administration
12. Re-instituting the Selective Service Act
13. Prosecution of all cases of government corruption and malfeasance concerning contracts during the last ten years
14. Elimination of statute of limitations on such acts of criminal and civil negligence and malfeasance
15. Repealing whatever stupid order it was that requires people to have a passport to go to Mexico or Canada.
(I have more )
wingnuts hate liberals because liberal rule will involve everyone being treated fairly, thus ending 232 years of white-boy affirmative action, without which people like toby would never graduate from high school or get a job.
Oddly enough, Kit Kittredge was a fairly decent movie, for all of it being based on the American Girl franchise.
It actually went into the Depression in a lot more depth than I expected. And a good cast, as well.
Not that the crooks weren't stupid, but isn't that rather a hallmark of crooks?
(I have more )
DWD - S☮S | Homepage | 07.05.08 - 11:35 pm | #
good start, tho
BTW, why won't BHO release his birth certificate? -Toby Petzold
Toby, I again request that you voluntarily release your dental records – as I currently have a forensic odontologist who can positively ID your unique three-toothed bite pattern on my Client’s (one John Doe Simels) private parts
Okay, I'm going to bed.
Please taunt that mongrel idiot Toby in my absence.
Apparently, if you befriend me on GTalk, you can see what's playing on my iTunes. Interesting.
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why won't cheney release ... well, anything?
After almost eight years of Mr. Stonewall, that's almost funny.
It actually went into the Depression in a lot more depth than I expected. And a good cast, as well.
Not that the crooks weren't stupid, but isn't that rather a hallmark of crooks?
atablarasa
How was the Librarian portrayed?
I have a professional interest.
How was the Librarian portrayed?
She was played by Abby Mallard, if you know Chicken Little, the movie. And that's fairly accurate. Not to say too much, but ditsy is not to far off, until the last, when she firms up a bit.
Most of the characters were fairly well rounded, given the time they had to develop in that short period of time.
It just baffles me that as politically savvy a crowd as this one usually is, is falling for the line of droppings they're trying to feed us.
The story that X Democrat has betrayed us again is, by now, so natural, that it is a good lever to use.
I'd be very surprised if the Republics had not been reading lefty blogs looking for exploitable story lines.
Is it wrong that I find it hysterically funny that Charlie Crist is getting married just as McCain starts his Veep search?
DWD - S☮S,
not a bad list.
I guess this one would require a constitutional amendment...
The president shall not have the power to pardon anyone belonging to his own administration.
The problem is that the Obama campaign supplied the Daily Kos with what they claimed was a birth certificate. It is not. They are hiding something. Let's see the original. It can't be too hard to just be honest, can it?
I should also say that there weren't a lot of people in the theater, and a fair number of them were young girls carrying Kit Kittredge dolls, or its (her?) counterparts.
After almost eight years of Mr. Stonewall, that's almost funny.
montag
I wish I'd kept that cartoon I cut out of the paper at the time of the 9/11 hearings where w and dick are giving all their conditions for testifying. dick keeps giving more and more conditions and it ends with one panelist asking "what did he say?" and another responding, "i don't know, i'm having trouble reading my notes."
it made me laugh and cry. i'll give a nickel to anyone who can find it online! TIA
She was played by Abby Mallard, if you know Chicken Little, the movie. And that's fairly accurate. Not to say too much, but ditsy is not to far off, until the last, when she firms up a bit.
Most of the characters were fairly well rounded, given the time they had to develop in that short period of time.
atablarasa
Librarians have a little bitty problem with how they're typically portrayed. I don't have much reason to see Kit Kittredge, so I was curious.
It can't be too hard to just be honest, can it?
The black helicopters are following you, Dog Burner.
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toby - no one cares about a birth certificate. no one.
Kevin Phillips on Cspan2.
The story that X Democrat has betrayed us again is, by now, so natural, that it is a good lever to use.
I've been amazed at how easily the hysteria against Clinton has been transferred to Obama.
Toby Petzold
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
posted this above but apparently the dog burner missed it
http://www.barackobama.com/
image...O_birthcert.jpg
Maybe there should be a Weird Marriage Amendment.
We must not allow a marriage amendment gap.
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I've been amazed at how easily the hysteria against Clinton has been transferred to Obama.
Richard | 07.05.08 - 11:45 pm | #
At least here and on some other blogs, the same attacks on obama have been recycled for 8 months.
::matthew: http://www.barackobama.com/ image...O_birthcert.jpg
But... see! Hawaii says this is the Real Deal, so it's a massive coverup!
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It can't be too hard to just be honest, can it?
Ask the lying junta that told us we went to war because of wmds.
They've set the honesty standard for years to come.
But... see! Hawaii says this is the Real Deal, so it's a massive coverup!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
those fucking hawaiians are some shifty bastids
But... see! Hawaii says this is the Real Deal, so it's a massive coverup!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
it doesn't even list his criminal record, or the fact that he's a muslim. so it can't be genuine.
16. Institute a Fair Trade policy with other countries. Their goods will be sold in this country with exactly the same restrictions that our goods are sold in their countries.
17. Eliminate any tax rebates or credits for businesses that invest in capital expenditures out of the United States or its territories. (If you want to build a factory, here is a good place to do it) Furthermore if you decide to do it, you must pay a fee to the government for retraining the workers you displace and establishing new industries for them to work in.
18. Speculation in futures markets in commodities will be limited to those who can prove a bona fide ability to accept delivery of the products they are bidding upon and show a use for said products. (period)
19. A massive multi disciplined "Manhattan Project" for the development of alternative energy and alternative methods of transportation will be established immediately. Funding will be essentially limitless - the only limits will be the ability of the program administrators to prove that the projects they approve have a legitimate chance of success and that the people proposing the project are legitimate in their background and knowledge
That's not a birth certificate, Matthew. That's a certification of live birth. It isn't the same thing and every one of you wankers knows it's true.
I'd like to vote for a return to getting tax credit for credit card debt. If I recall correctly, it was the change in that law that gave the credit card companies the green light to start pumping out credit cards and jacking up interest rates.
I would assume that this would be a problem for those companies, and a lot of consumers, in the short run, but since people are having to keep high balances to make ends meet in a lot of cases while so much of the high income earnings are not taxible, the wrong people are carrying the load.
::matthew: http://www.barackobama.com/ image...O_birthcert.jpg
Sorry, but the only acceptable verification is a Republican willing to swear on a stack of Bibles that he saw Obama born in an American hospital.
wait - i found it! barack's mother's name is *gasp* STANLEY!
his parents are teh GAY! that's what he's been hiding!
the stoopit...it burns
the same attacks on obama have been recycled for 8 months
Widely predicted and pre-bemoaned.
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“At such a life-and-death moment, I would only give up my life for my daughter. I would not do it for other people, even my mother.”
Fan Meizhong, a teacher who abandoned his students when the May 12th earthquake hit China. Neither Mr. Fan nor any of his students was harmed by the earthquake or their escape. However, he has been referred to as “Running Fan,” and there are even singing parodies about him posted on the Web. Mr. Fan defended himself saying that he feels the need to resist the pressure to become a martyr. He said that there should be “some understanding and rational and friendly comments” posted about his decision.
That's not a birth certificate, Matthew. That's a certification of live birth.
Good god, Tobes, read what you just wrote. You're dumber than snail shit.
a musical diversion from the inane and never ending birth certificate nonsense by toby...
That's not a birth certificate, Matthew. That's a certification of live birth. It isn't the same thing and every one of you wankers knows it's true
Believe it or not, I just happen to have my birth certificate handy. I also have my daughter's. She was born 35 years after I was.
Both of them say at the very top:
Certificate of Live Birth.
Fuck you, Toby.
That's not a birth certificate, Matthew. That's a certification of live birth. It isn't the same thing and every one of you wankers knows it's true.
Oddly enough, back when I was having my issues with the TN DoS, that is precisely what I had to provide them (albeit, from another state) in order to re-secure a valid driver license. Under the much more stringent, post 10/18 world.
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Wait! How come he doesn't have the "II" showing? That *must* mean something!
I've been amazed at how easily the hysteria against Clinton has been transferred to Obama.
Richard | 07.05.08 - 11:45 pm | #
Why? the WATB'S are consistent.
The problem is that the Obama campaign supplied the Daily Kos with what they claimed was a birth certificate. It is not. They are hiding something. -Toby Petzold
you are right tobes - his real father's name was Cletus Canisustor, III - Obama's your illegitimate negra half-brother ...
we really don't need to discuss obama's birth cert with an idiot dog burner again, do we? i mean, it is about the most boring non-issue ever brought up im my memory.
20. The interest on all legitimate debt incurred by consumers whose income does not exceed $100,000 shall be tax deductible.
21. The interest rate on unsecured loans may not exceed 1.5% per month, and the interest rate on secured loans may not exceed 1% per month. There will be no excessive fees attached to loans and the grace period for late payments shall be 15 days regardless.
22. There shall be a do not call list that citizens may sign up for that will ensure that no one may call them at home: no one. No political parties, no charities. No one.
23. Anyone caught creating and disseminating a computer virus shall be given a prison sentence of not less than 25 years and not more than 50.
21. The interest rate on unsecured loans may not exceed 1.5% per month, and the interest rate on secured loans may not exceed 1% per month
er, that one might be a bit problematic.
When birth certificates are outlawed only outlaws will have birth certificates!
so, ya'll gonna vote for the DWD platform?
(Not me. I am irascible and I don't play nicely with Republicans)
23. Anyone caught creating and disseminating a computer virus shall be given a prison sentence of not less than 25 years and not more than 50.
And give the email spammers at least 10.
er, that one might be a bit problematic.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Why? 12% and 18% are enough for the fucking bloodsuckers. If they can't make money loaning it out at those rates, then find another business or don't loan it out to people who can't pay it back and charge everyone else for them not paying it back.
Old friend of mine is back from a year in Afghanistan helping train the police... his parents put on an open house for the home folks... the entertainment was a 'home movie' of his experiences.
It was pretty much on the level of a recruiting ad, complete with Sep 11/ Trade Center invocations-- but it wasn't hard to see what a cobbled together effort we put forth over there in general.
My friend 'mentored' about 8 Afghans, including a Colonel who looked older than his own father-- & who was killed on the very day my friend shipped out... which was worked for sentiment but left me wondering how well the 'mentoring' was done...
Afterwards, I asked my friend, "Would you like to go back someday?" He said he could have gone right back with another unit if he'd wanted. I said "I mean as a tourist with the t-shirt and shorts and camera" He laughed and said "Only on the base- I don't want to end up on al-jazeera with (he made the neck-cutting gesture)". Then he started talking about how much $ could be made there by enterprising Americans...
I don't believe he knew what he was saying about his mission... he could be a character from Graham Greene.
US planned nerve gas tests on Aussies
July 06, 2008
IT'S been revealed that the US military planned to test deadly nerve gas on Australian soldiers in far north Queensland during the Cold War.
Newly declassified Defence and Prime Minister's office files show that the US was strongly pushing then prime minister Harold Holt's government in the 1960s to allow tests of two of the deadliest chemical weapons ever developed -- VX and GB, better known as Sarin nerve gas.
http://www.theaustralian.news.co...2-
12377,00.html
Freedom isn't free.
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When birth certificates are outlawed only outlaws will have birth certificates!
George Johnston
Once we begin the barcode implantation program, things will run much more smoothly.
Toby: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
And give the email spammers at least 10.
Death!
Why? 12% and 18% are enough for the fucking bloodsuckers. If they can't make money loaning it out at those rates, then find another business or don't loan it out to people who can't pay it back and charge everyone else for them not paying it back.
DWD - S☮S | Homepage | 07.06.08 - 12:01 am | #
I've long argued that an "anti-usury" is a good campaign issue for democrats. of course, democrats like biden would not be happy.
I've long argued that an "anti-usury" is a good campaign issue for democrats. of course, democrats like biden would not be happy.
That bankruptcy "reform" was utterly despicable.
here's the crist story...I hadn't heard that...
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/
...D=2008807040345
edub, don't laugh--CA birth certs now carry barcodes
I've long argued that an "anti-usury" is a good campaign issue for democrats. of course, democrats like biden would not be happy.
rootless-e
Usury laws are so riddled with exceptions that they become useless, like the do not call lists.
Do not call me, unless you are precisely the kind of telemarketing bidness I don't want calling me. Then you can call me.
Why? 12% and 18% are enough for the fucking bloodsuckers.
mebbe, but setting absolute rates is probably not a good idea, esp without including other loan params - like term, principle, period, etc. i think a more general prohibition of economic rape might be better. or at least an index off prime.
the cost of money is variable. ceilings have the potential to dry up the supply of money.
24. Pass a Constitutional Amendment that forbids Corporation from having any rights that entail on the rights of individuals. They are not allowed to donate money that is used to influence elections is an example of such “rights” that would be prohibited.
25. No member of congress may vote on a bill if they have any financial interest in the consideration of such bill. A watchdog group will established that will monitor all of the members of congresses finances - and that of their families - to make certain that there is no chance of corruption. Contributions to political actions committees and campaign contributions will also be monitored extremely closely. When the bill comes up for a vote, the members’ voting button simply will not work.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Good to see you back.
I'm mad at Katie, btw.
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the cost of money is variable. ceilings have the potential to dry up the supply of money.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.06.08 - 12:06 am | #
Somehow the US limped by with limits on consumer loan terms for many years.
edub, don't laugh--CA birth certs now carry barcodes
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I am not a number! I am a free man!
night
Speaking of do not call lists, I'm curious how many folks here have been getting calls like ...
"This call is for Toby Petzold. If this is Toby Petzold, please press 1".
I gather it's collection agencies doing mass robocalls trying to find loan delinquents.
Jeffraham, I'm sorry. I hope you can patch your differences.
Somehow the US limped by with limits on consumer loan terms for many years.
rootless-e | 07.06.08 - 12:08 am
again - mebbe. but i personally don't believe it's the best way to go. i may be wrong, but still.
Sallyh: CA birth certs now carry barcodes
Pretty sure the one I got NOT from CA recently had one. Had a multi-color tamper-resistant background, and a thermal watermark.
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Jeffraham, CA certs have those, too.
I think Opera 9.5 is about 4x faster than Firefox 2.x
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I could fake a thermal watermark.
That's pretty easy.
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Jeffraham, I am not happy with the recent Firefox update. Very, very sluggish. Also intolerant of Adobe Acrobat.
the Florida "Certification of Birth" doesn't have barcodes but it does look like a stock share.
why is JP not on FF3?
Sallyh: Jeffraham, I am not happy with the recent Firefox update. Very, very sluggish. Also intolerant of Adobe Acrobat.
I'd love to try it, but never would launch on my box.
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I'll be doubling my MPG nect week
getting rid of the F150 for a MB 1985 300D
::matthew: the Florida "Certification of Birth" doesn't have barcodes but it does look like a stock share.
So did my recent non-FL, non-CA certificate. Raised ink, and all. Plus all that other shit I told ya about, 20 minutes ago.
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Non, je ne regrette rien. That's my theme! Goodnight, sweethearts.
Monica_A: Non, je ne regrette rien. That's my theme! Goodnight, sweethearts.
I luvs ya. You know it.
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I think Opera 9.5 is about 4x faster than Firefox 2.x
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yow. i just upgraded from opera 9.2 and the new version SCREAMS.
maybe they even fixed the flash interface? we shall see.
opera had some issues with flash and certain flavors of ajax...they seem to have it worked out now
dirk gently: maybe they even fixed the flash interface? we shall see.
I have to click the Flash control twice before it gains focus, but other than that... RAWK!
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Adobe Flash ads are the spawn of Satan.
Night, all
That interest rate thing: I am pretty serious on that one. I can think of no reason for anyone to loan money at a rate above 18%. Seriously. Anyone who borrows money at that rate is an imbecile to boot.
I have been around a long time and I have never borrowed money at a rate CLOSE to that rate. Yet poor people are constantly forced into these things by a variety of factors. Perhaps some sort of a system can be established so that they can still borrow money but why make everyone pay for their inability to pay money back when someone (who knows better) loans them the money?
And pay day loan places and the like? Close them down ASAP. They are a blight on our society.
Peace.
Adobe Flash ads are the spawn of Satan.
Richard
that dancing skeleton has great rates on home mortgages
I'm now downloading Opera. I'll see if I'm impressed.
I disliked Safari, which is the standard for non-Linux systems at work.
Richard: Adobe Flash ads are the spawn of Satan.
Of course.
I hate Flash with a passion, even though it's very cool... in the right setting.
Most people are intent on using it for evil, rather than good.
And I still can't get used to Adobe owning it.
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again - mebbe. but i personally don't believe it's the best way to go. i may be wrong, but still.
Umm, I would ask, if the cost of money is variable (meaning that scarcity implies higher rates), why is it that for the last ten years, money has been flowing so freely that multiple bubbles have been blown and popped, and yet money is the most expensive it's been in decades?
The fact of the matter is that there are two sets of interest rates--the ones that the banks set for themselves, and another for everyone else, which has always been as much as the market and the law will bear.
We existed for decades with usury caps in virtually every state, and the system was better self-regulated than it ever has been since.
Usury caps are an economic and societal stabilizer, not an artifice created from some errant impulse. They were in place because they worked.
If you want to see the result of an anything-goes policy, just look around you or have a look in the daily paper. It's a system that's out of control.
I have to click the Flash control twice before it gains focus, but other than that... RAWK!
that's a site issue. it's the same w/ IE. it can be programmed around - funny, MS instituted double clicking objects as a security measure, and told everyone the javascript workaround about a week later.
based on the last few minutes of testing, i pronounce opera 9.5 the best browser ever. flash AND pdf both are lightening fast, even msnbc's site doesn't drag. i'll let ya know when i hit a bump.
night
rootless-e
day.
The fact of the matter is that there are two sets of interest rates--the ones that the banks set for themselves, and another for everyone else, which has always been as much as the market and the law will bear.
that's why i mentioned an index as opposed to an explicit top rate.
I've never noticed big differences in browser speed. I just hate that I have to test them all with my website every few weeks as new editions come out. FF3 wrecked some functionality for me
I just hate that I have to test them all with my website every few weeks as new editions come out. FF3 wrecked some functionality for me
::matthew, Mc=Wł | 07.06.08 - 12:26 am | #
one of the reason i started writing apps in flash. doesn't matter which browser you use.
I just hate that I have to test them all with my website every few weeks as new editions come out. FF3 wrecked some functionality for me
::matthew, Mc=Wł | 07.06.08 - 12:26 am | #
one of the reason i started writing apps in flash. doesn't matter which browser you use.
one of the reason i started writing apps in flash. doesn't matter which browser you use.
dirk gently
I'm still waiting for a full flash website that doesn't make me want to take a hostage.
dirk gently: based on the last few minutes of testing, i pronounce opera 9.5 the best browser ever. flash AND pdf both are lightening fast, even msnbc's site doesn't drag. i'll let ya know when i hit a bump.
Boastingly, he says, "I wrote my first web page the night before Mosaic 0.9 hit the net," and I say Opera 9.5 for XP is the best browser I've ever used.
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Most people are intent on using it for evil, rather than good.
Of the web sites a frequent on a regular basis, the internet movie database is by far the worst.
Intrusive ads that open and cover the screen.
one of the reason i started writing apps in flash. doesn't matter which browser you use.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I'm considering flash for a thick client replacement at work. Or Silverlight.
one of the reason i started writing apps in flash. doesn't matter which browser you use.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I'm considering flash for a thick client replacement at work. Or Silverlight.
Intrusive ads that open and cover the screen.
Yes, extremely annoying.
Wha' th'?
Richard: Intrusive ads that open and cover the screen.
Izzat recent? When I used Firefox 2.x, I didn't have that, but it's been a few weeks since I was last there, I think.
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I'm still waiting for a full flash website that doesn't make me want to take a hostage.
::matthew, Mc=Wł | 07.06.08 - 12:30 am | #
mine are good - but specific for the companies i write them for. it isn't easy, macromedia was great at animation but not so much as an application dev engine. getting better.
I just hate that I have to test them all with my website every few weeks as new editions come out. FF3 wrecked some functionality for me
Can't you just have more than one version installed and ready to run? I've got FF2x FFox3 and even the nightly minefield build, though I've not upgraded it since FF3 gold came out.
first comment in the new opera
I do like the IE7 style add tab feature...
Intrusive ads that open and cover the screen.
They thrill the ad people, but make potential customers vow to never buy the product during the remainder of their lifetimes.
I'm considering flash for a thick client replacement at work. Or Silverlight.
MP | 07.06.08 - 12:32 am | #
the newest flash (CS3?) is a leap forward, though the dev platform could still use some work. and some of the language is still quirky. but i'm using it alot now, tie it to xml, php and a sql database and it is pretty powerful.
Izzat recent? When I used Firefox 2.x, I didn't have that, but it's been a few weeks since I was last there, I think.
Not a recent phenomenon, but from what I gather firefox can block them (I don't use it).
Can't you just have more than one version installed and ready to run? I've got FF2x FFox3 and even the nightly minefield build, though I've not upgraded it since FF3 gold came out.
Doug
users of my website (arcmotiv.com) use browsers of all shapes and sizes, from iPhone to IE 5.5 for Mac to the latest FF, Opera, Safari and IE, etc.
the main functions need to work with all of them and that is what is challenging.
Richard: Not a recent phenomenon, but from what I gather firefox can block them (I don't use it).
Probably. Flash on/off option would have been one of my first tweeks.
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They thrill the ad people, but make potential customers vow to never buy the product during the remainder of their lifetimes.
It also discourages people from spending time on the site with the advertisements.
To have the same fucking ad pop up over and over again whenever I move from one page on a site to another is absolutely asinine.
ok, i can't get over how astoundingly good the new opera seems to be. running multiple flash windows, two youtubes playing (one being edith piaf) and it's not even hiccuping. all of my settings and preferences and custom toolbars stayed working, and i CAN VIEW MSNBC.COM WITHOUT THROWING THINGS.
not to mention the already cool opera stuff - screen magnification, text to voice, font substitutions (looks better now too) - it is really sweet.
lets see how long before it crashes ...
that's why i mentioned an index as opposed to an explicit top rate.
Guaranteed that such a system would be corrupted in no time at all, especially by inter-bank trading.
But, what I'm talking about, principally, is economic stability, bringing some predictability back to economic planning. Interest caps are just one tool in a big toolset that needs to be implemented.
Most of the negative changes occurred from 1973 onward, and all of them encouraged speculation, and floating currencies created a whole new means for investment banks, hedge funds and the like to manipulate marginal rates.
Interest caps would act as a brake on consumer spending, of that, there's no doubt. But, since consumer spending is driving record amounts of debt and encouraging bubbles itself, eventually, caps would be one part of a program to take speculation out of the picture.
They did work to stabilize the system in the past. What has changed that now makes them inappropriate now, to do the same?
I've long argued that an "anti-usury" is a good campaign issue for democrats. of course, democrats like biden would not be happy.
rootless-e
precisely the kind of telemarketing bidness I don't want calling me. Then you can call me.
MP
and thus the baton (shift) is passed ...
To have the same fucking ad pop up over and over again whenever I move from one page on a site to another is absolutely asinine.
Richard
Or those animated flash movies that kind of "walk over" the copy your trying to read.
Are the ad people nuts? That's like a mosquitos getting in your ear. Nobody wants that shit.
dirk gently: not to mention the already cool opera stuff - screen magnification, text to voice, font substitutions (looks better now too) - it is really sweet.
lets see how long before it crashes ...
See? I'm not just about useless kitten video! I bow in your direction.
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I do like the IE7 style add tab feature...
::matthew, Mc=Wł | 07.06.08 - 12:34 am | #
opera had that before - and before ie. same with screen magnification (instead of just text size).
try the voice functions if you haven't before - highlight, right click, speak.
Edub, does your birth certificate mention your dad's and mom's occupations? Does it give your length and weight at birth? How about the doctor's name and/or signature?
Why aren't those same things on the Obama document?
try the voice functions if you haven't before - highlight, right click, speak.
dirk gently
voice libraries loading
does your birth certificate mention your dad's and mom's occupations? Does it give your length and weight at birth? How about the doctor's name and/or signature?
My most recent copy has none of that.
The original had all that but occupations. And my footieprints on it. Mom won't surrender it to me.
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Are the ad people nuts? That's like a mosquitos getting in your ear. Nobody wants that shit.
I think of most advertising as bothersome and annoying, so I probably shouldn't jump in.
But, this is just one of those things that is probably driven by psychological study. There's been a concerted effort to adapt the findings of some studies to advertising, and the best example is advertising targeted to children. The advertising is meant to increase the whine factor in kids--i.e., if the kid pesters long enough, the parent will give in.
So, the advertising targeted to adults becomes the pestering child....
my son's "certification of Birth"
Name:
Date of Birth:
Sex:
Place of Birth:
Certificate Number:
Date Filed:
Date Issued:
Mother's Maiden Name:
Father's name:
Signature line for State Registrar
no foot prints or nothing, as that's BS that certain hospitals do for mom and dad to put in a baby book, not official record
Why aren't those same things on the Obama document?
Could it be that they don't put those on birth certificates?
I have the birth certificates for my son and daughter -- one from California and one from Arizona -- and neither of them have more information than Obama's.
try the voice functions if you haven't before - highlight, right click, speak.
dirk gently
I'm sorry, Dirk. I can't do that. I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
::matthew: no foot prints or nothing, as that's BS that certain hospitals do for mom and dad to put in a baby book, not official record
The footprint thang was just something my state did in 1963. I bet in 1950, they didn't bother.
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Okay, this is my first time on Opera.
...wow...
..just...wow...
Could it be that wingtards don't have a clear grasp of that whole "certificate of live birth" thing because of the generally questionable circumstances of the legitimacy of their own advent into this world?
Sallyh: ,I>Okay, this is my first time on Opera.
You likey?
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so ... obama is lying about his birthweight?
really, this is the stupidest complaint ever. i guess there really ISN'T anything substantially wrong with obama if this is all they can come up with.
I guess Obama won't be able to choose a Veep born in New Mexico because they won't be able to produce an American birth certificate.
Okay, this is my first time on Opera.
Sallyh
sing an aria
I am no longer an Opera virgin.
Fucker is fast, I'll give it that.
Okay, this is my first time on Opera.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
a virgin!
Jeffraham, it's quick, I'll give it that.
Jeff:
My most recent copy has none of that.
Because what you have is basically an abstract of the original, which is what is often used for ID purposes nowadays. If you wanted, you could contact the county where you were born and obtain a copy of the original. Whether it has your paw prints on it, I don't know. But it will give your birth weight and length and much else besides.
The question is why won't Obama release his original birth certificate? There must be something inconveniently noted on the original that's worth all this trouble.
Sallyh: I am no longer an Opera virgin.
Fucker is fast, I'll give it that.
That's what sold me. It loads a page like zing!
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I am no longer an Opera virgin.
Fucker is fast, I'll give it that.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
oops. sorry.
-- opera
My hospital birth certficate from 1960 looks like a diploma, with my flat assed feet stamped on the back of it.
My Department of Vital Records birth certificate looks like a stock certificate like somebody noted earlier.
The question is why won't Obama release his original birth certificate?
who.
the fuck.
cares.
Toonscribe, those aren't the originals.
Why is this such a hard concept for you dumbfucks to grasp?
I am no longer an Opera virgin.
No I Puritani for you!
Why is this such a hard concept for you dumbfucks to grasp?
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.06.08 - 12:53 am | #
nobody cares.
why is that such a hard concept for dogburners to grasp?
If you wanted, you could contact the county where you were born and obtain a copy of the original.
Uh, wrong.
If I want a copy of the original, I have to go to Texas, and have reproduced THE ORIGINAL, which my mom has.
If I ask the state, I get what I have now. It's pretty sophisticated, and can be linked to the original, no doubt. But that's all I can get from MY birth state.
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...wow...
..just...wow...
Could it be that wingtards don't have a clear grasp of that whole "certificate of live birth" thing because of the generally questionable circumstances of the legitimacy of their own advent into this world?
As much as I would like to see a correlation, it's much more likely a function of their reading and comprehension skills... and of the overwhelming desire to subvert the election process.
After all, democratic process is not high on the list of these bozos because if it were followed, they'd always lose.
I think to pronounce upon what gets put on birth certificates, it wold help to have found some other human being willing to create other human beings with you.
Lets Toby out, thank Darwin.
who.
the fuck.
cares.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Wingnuts
who don't
understand
the can of worms they are opening
given Huggy Bear's live birth outside of the United States...
Why is this such a hard concept for you dumbfucks to grasp?
Toby Petzold
what we're really having a hard time grasping is why you constantly polute this place, not why obama hasn't released an unoffical document that a hospital might or might not have produced for the benefit of the parents
why is that such a hard concept for dogburners to grasp?
Toby was not born, his mother was digging out the chicken coop one day, and found this multi-legged creature under all the chicken shit.
MP: My hospital birth certficate from 1960 looks like a diploma, with my flat assed feet stamped on the back of it.
My Department of Vital Records birth certificate looks like a stock certificate like somebody noted earlier.
Other than the names of the bureaucratic units, my experience is a 100% match with yours.
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There must be something inconveniently noted on the original that's worth all this trouble.
That's because of Article 99 of the Constitution that says you must weight at least 7 lbs 6 oz at birth to be eligible to run for president.
Tobes, stop being such a stupid dick. You are a mediocrity pretending to be serious. You are just a fucking annoying joke, like watching bad stand-up on open mic night at a comedy club.
I is a self described Homeland Security document exppert.
My mother's birth certificate even notes that she received a special solution of silver nitrate used to prevent blindness. That was in the 1940s.
given Huggy Bear's live birth outside of the United States...
Jack K., the Grumpy Forester
yeah, but my point is what the fuck could obama have done between the time he cleared his mother's vaginal canal and the time the birth certificate was issued that would have been noted on it that would have ANY bearing on the 2008 election? i mean, i can't even IMAGINE what kind of hidden thing is being implied.
Toby, my parents didn't have what would be considered nowadays 'proper' birth certificates. By your logic, would that mean that they would have no right to live in the United States?
yeah, but my point is what the fuck could obama have done between the time he cleared his mother's vaginal canal and the time the birth certificate was issued that would have been noted on it that would have ANY bearing on the 2008 election? i mean, i can't even IMAGINE what kind of hidden thing is being implied.
dirk gently
he was taken to a terrorist training camp in afganistan, then returned to hawaii after becoming a muslim
My mother's birth certificate even notes that she received a special solution of silver nitrate used to prevent blindness. That was in the 1940s.
Well, whoopee shit. Guess what -- document requirements change as the years go by.
Blow it our your ass, fuckwad.
he was taken to a terrorist training camp in afganistan, then returned to hawaii after becoming a muslim
::matthew, Mc=Wł | 07.06.08 - 12:59 am | #
but would they write that on the b.c.?
Jeff:
If I ask the state, I get what I have now.
You understand that there's a difference between county records of birth and what a state maintains through its BVS, right?
I do a lot of research on this topic, so feel free to keep sticking your fucking foot in your mouth. I'll help you push it down further, if you'd like.
::matthew: he was taken to a terrorist training camp in afganistan, then returned to hawaii after becoming a muslim
At 8 mos. of age!
People overlook just how LONG Obama has been a "sleeper!"
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i mean, i can't even IMAGINE what kind of hidden thing is being implied.
This, I think, is just a variant on the routine pulled on Kerry in 2004. When he released a summary of his military records, they screamed and bleated that he had to be hiding something. Just a variant on a theme.
My point, toonscribe, is that actual birth certificates are quite detailed.
Even ones issued from whatever animal shelter you were obtained from, I'm sure.
Could you imagine the outrage if Obama as a child had blown up frogs with firecrackers?
Toby's birth certificate only records the tail because it was unusually disgusting.
I do a lot of research on this topic, so feel free to keep sticking your fucking foot in your mouth. I'll help you push it down further, if you'd like.
Yeah. Go ahead, and tell me that what I have won't get a driver license in any of the 50 fucking states, or a passport.
Then, go fuck yourself anally with a salt-encrusted, old 500hp auger.
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When he released a summary of his military records, they screamed and bleated that he had to be hiding something. Just a variant on a theme.
montag | Homepage | 07.06.08 - 1:00 am | #
yeah, but a birth certificate? it has to be the least interesting, least incriminatig, least informative official document in existance. once the location, birth date, and parents are established that's pretty much all it's got.
Kerry only authorized a limited release to three media outlets AFTER the election and specifically denied them the right to make copies or even take notes.
He's a liar, too. Carter amnestied him with the rest of the traitors.
My point, toonscribe, is that actual birth certificates are quite detailed.
No they're not, you twat.
I've filled out the paperwork for these, and then received them. You haven't.
You don't know what you're talking abt, dirk.
Really, isn't the obvious solution to have the Mormons weigh in on the birth certificate issue? They know more about those documents than just about anyone.
My point, toonscribe, is that actual birth certificates are quite detailed.
that's not a point.
Hey, Thers, long time no see! We were about to put your picture on the side of a six pack of Guinness.
You don't know what you're talking abt, dirk.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.06.08 - 1:03 am | #
i wasn't talking to you, you moronic fukcing dog burner.
I hear that Brian Eno may have died... confirm?
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Ass Hole, are you telling me that your kids' birth certificates don't list yours and Mary's names and occupations and address?
I do a lot of research on this topic
Toby is still trying to prove the unprovable, that he was born and not found in a garbage can.
My point, toonscribe, is that actual birth certificates are quite detailed.
My point is who gives a fuck how much he weighed, whether or not he had silver nitrate put in his eyes, mother or father's occupation, or any of that shit that may or may not be part of the hospital record and may or may not be part of some kind of county record. The question is -- was he born on US soil and the answer from the State of Hawaii is yes. Quit bugging us about it and go talk to the fucking state of Hawaii or shut the fuck up. And why haven't you posted your birth certificate online for comparative purposes? What are you trying to hide?
My mother's birth certificate even notes that she received a special solution of silver nitrate used to prevent blindness. That was in the 1940s. - Toby Petzold
idiot, that was "silver bullet" it's a popular euphemism for "Coors light beer" – yo mama had the shakes real bad bein borned into the petzhold family of dog burners ...
yeah, but a birth certificate? it has to be the least interesting, least incriminatig, least informative official document in existance. once the location, birth date, and parents are established that's pretty much all it's got.
It's not about ascertaining the truth--it's about creating doubt in the voters' minds. The implication here is that Obama is providing a forgery, and therefore might not meet Constitutional requirements for office.
The wingnuts are happy to push this far and wide on behalf of others.
They're just too stupid to figure out that the trick won't work.
Hey, Thers, long time no see! We were about to put your picture on the side of a six pack of Guinness.
Been about. Busy lately, tho.
Sally:
Toby, my parents didn't have what would be considered nowadays 'proper' birth certificates. By your logic, would that mean that they would have no right to live in the United States?
My Daddy didn't have a birth certificate issued until he was abt 20. He needed it for an academy he joined. That was typical of Depression-era Texas.
As to your question, you're a stupid old woman. That is always my answer to you.
Before we give in to any wingnut demands we need to find out why Bush flew Osama bin Laden's family out of the country during a period that he forbade Americans to fly.
Been about. Busy lately, tho.
Thers
when is the baby shower?
are you telling me that your kids' birth certificates don't list yours and Mary's names and occupations and address?
No. And mine does not list my parents'.
They ask for this info on the form, but (1) you do NOT have to put it in, & (2) the document issued for legal purposes does not have to list it. It's just a verification you were born.
Idiot.
montag:
The implication here is that Obama is providing a forgery, and therefore might not meet Constitutional requirements for office.
Obama is NOT providing a forgery. He is misrepresenting what that "live birth" document actually is.
What I didn't see today, the Chiricahua mountains.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/FBn72iJ6.jpg
Unfortunately I cleaned today. I needed to do this.
JP, I don't see anything on a recently deceased Brian Eno...
when is the baby shower?
Shut it, you.
He is misrepresenting what that "live birth" document actually is.
Could you be any more willfully obtuse?
::matthew: JP, I don't see anything on a recently deceased Brian Eno...
Good. I hope that means it's wrong. I got this via Twitter, a few minutes ago, and the breaking news there is often ahead of the curve. 
He's a liar, too. Carter amnestied him with the rest of the traitors.
Mighty free with that traitor stuff when you won't serve yourself.
And, Carter created amnesty for draft resisters, of which Kerry was demonstrably not one.
But, then, I would expect this from someone as gobsmackingly imbecilic as yourself.
...I can imagine someone having a gripping interest in the information on birth certificates if the "Father's Name" space just has a question mark...
Ass Hole:
They ask for this info on the form
Really? Because that's pretty much what I'm saying. Whether the atrocity of your birth was attested to in full by your parents is irrelevant to me. The fact, as you confirm, is that those pieces of information ARE called for on birth certificates. In your case, they were not filled in.
Obama's birth certificate was found in the debris of the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Carter's amnesty also included upgrading other than honroable discharges.
The problem here is that none of you has the historical or factual knowledge to argue with me. Which makes this rather pointless, but I do love to watch you squirm.
You want to talk about amnesty? What about George Bush's father giving amnesty to traitors who gave Iranian Muslim extremist terrorists weapons to keep holding Americans hostage until after the 1980 election?
JP, I don't see anything on a recently deceased Brian Eno...
::matthew, Mc=Wł
Nothing on wiki. They usually have the story before it even happens.
those pieces of information ARE called for on birth certificates
Fucking STATE'S RIGHTS mean this assertion is complete and utter bullshit, and you know it.
Reqs for birth certs are set by the state. Not the feds. Now, go whack off over that victory, please, and leave the gorwnups alone to drink and talk.
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well, i just pulled my ORIGINAL birth certificate from passaic general hospital, nj, 1958. it contains the following info:
my full name
date of birth
date issued
sex
place of birth
date registered
date issued
signature of registrar.
that's it.
not even my parents names, let alone their occupations. that is all that is on there. this is the original, hand typed, not a copy certificate. it's been recognized by the social security admin, the passport service, and dmvs in 7 states as being my official certificate.
so shut up you stupid ignorant mother fucking pervert dog burner.
Jeffraham, not seeing anything.
Obama is NOT providing a forgery. He is misrepresenting what that "live birth" document actually is.
Then, he was born in Hawaii on the date specified by the parents he claims to be his natural parents.
So, he's eligible to run for President.
So, why would he bother to lie about about the authenticity of document, or what it actually represents, i.e., his live birth in a specific place?
You are trying to create a distinction without a difference, in order to impugn his honesty. You have failed to prove your point. You are creating yet another straw man, in the hopes it will dissuade someone from voting for Obama.
You are both simpleminded and incompetent.
I dug up my birth certificate - it turns out my middle name is Hussein!
oh, i should point out that there are no blank spaces on my birth certificate, either.
Really? Because that's pretty much what I'm saying. Whether the atrocity of your birth was attested to in full by your parents is irrelevant to me. The fact, as you confirm, is that those pieces of information ARE called for on birth certificates. In your case, they were not filled in.
Dumbass, they are not legally required.
Neither do they need to appear on any birth certificate for it to be a legal document.
You really are stupid, you know.
Obama is NOT providing a forgery. He is misrepresenting what that "live birth" document actually is.
Why has no one ever seen LauraBot's "Live Birth Certificate"?
Jeff, do you suppose that Hawaii was such a young state at the time of Barry's birth that they didn't think to include stuff like his doctor's name and his folks' occupations and where they lived on their official birth certificates?
Is that what you're claiming?
I dug up my birth certificate - it turns out my middle name is Hussein!
George Johnston
I'll go ahead and get georgejohnston2016.com up and running.
oh, i should point out that there are no blank spaces on my birth certificate, either.
dirk gently
kerning, bitches
kerning, bitches
::matthew, Mc=Wł | 07.06.08 - 1:19 am | #
heh. it looks like it was typed on a cheap royal. the letters don't even line up.
I hear that Huggy Bear Hates Bloggers and people are talking about it somewhere....
Jeff, do you suppose that Hawaii was such a young state at the time of Barry's birth that they didn't think to include stuff like his doctor's name and his folks' occupations and where they lived on their official birth certificates?
Is that what you're claiming?
No. I'm claiming that in 1963, in the state I was born in, my parents' address and occupations weren't on the certificate, nor were either on the subsequent copies, you idiot.
And that's the truth.
The only time my citizenship came into question was during the fascist Bush years, and the COPY of my bc got me official Tennessee ID, dumbass.
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Ass Hole:
Dumbass, they are not legally required.
Irrelevant. Birth certificates are issued on standardized forms. If the information isn't provided, then that space on the form is left blank.
Duh.
There's no blanks on what Obama purports to be his birth certificate because that document is an abstract that includes only the most BASIC information for ID purposes.
include stuff like his doctor's name and his folks' occupations and where they lived on their official birth certificates?
And this is pertinent to a run for the presidency how?
I'll go ahead and get georgejohnston2016.com up and running.
::matthew, Mc=Wł
(wipes red wine off of monitor)
What state is that, Jeff?
Irrelevant. Birth certificates are issued on standardized forms
Well, aren't you the uninformed idiot.
You couldn't be more wrong.
In 1963, there was no such standardization.
When Obama was born (1960? 1961?), I guarantee Hawaii didn't have as stringent requirements as the state in which I was born.
So... bite the high hard one, prince.
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Obama's original birth certificate probably would reveal that his mom and dads weren't married. Okay. So BHO the elder wasn't a polygamist after all. He was just an adulterer. Maybe even a statutory rapist.
What state were you born in, Jeff?
Cowards.
this story was dead before it was written, but:
Military chief warns against striking Iran
What state were you born in, Jeff?
That'd be the state where I can take my inferior birth certificate and extablish proof-of-identity in any of the 50 fucking states, bitch.
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Obama's original birth certificate probably would reveal that his mom and dads weren't married. Okay. So BHO the elder wasn't a polygamist after all. He was just an adulterer. Maybe even a statutory rapist.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 07.06.08 - 1:24 am
Oh OK. Based on Nancy Drew's dogged research I'll change my vote to the guy who called his wife a "cunt."
toby is so full of shit. nothing he says has even a semblance of truth or meaning. he is either 100% mistaken or 100% lying or both. i've got originial birth certificates for myself and all four of my kids, three states between us, and none of them have even the doctor's name.
he's an idiot and a liar and only interested in hijacking the thread so people will pay attention to him. i suppose in that he has succeeded, becaus he is so astoundingly ignorant he is hard to ignore.
he really is a miserable little fuckwit.
Irrelevant. Birth certificates are issued on standardized forms. If the information isn't provided, then that space on the form is left blank.
Moron. These requirements are set by states. As others have told you, some (probably all) states don't require them. NY asks for the info but, jackass, ON MY KIDS' ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES, WHICH I AM LOOKING AT, there are no such "blank lines."
Anyway, putz, irrelevant. You don't know Hawaii law, or, well, anything.
You. Are. A. Moron.
so I put on my wellies and went to idiotland:
look at the first comment
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpres...rtificate-fake/
i suppose in that he has succeeded, becaus he is so astoundingly ignorant he is hard to ignore.
Well, there is a new thread...
NY asks for the info but, jackass, ON MY KIDS' ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES, WHICH I AM LOOKING AT, there are no such "blank lines."
You don't have any kids.
The problem here is that none of you has the historical or factual knowledge to argue with me. Which makes this rather pointless, but I do love to watch you squirm.
And, by saying this, you are trying to imply, without any evidence whatsover, that Kerry was discharged under other than honorable conditions, which imputation is an attempt to smear his character without evidence.
I must amend what I said before. You're not only imbecilic, you're a devious little shit, a lying little prick and are without character. You'd push your own mother under a bus for a nickel and think you'd made a great deal.
You have no honor, no dignity, no sense of fair play whatsoever. You attack someone who did go to war when you will not, even though you praise the people who are even now killing soldiers and civilians for monstrous lies.
You're not a human being, by any stretch of the phrase. You're some homonculus let loose on the world.
And to correct your misinformation above, as regards discharges, under "Carter's program military deserters and AWOL's could apply for a limited pardon if there were no other charges pending. Under the Carter program deserters would automatically receive a less than honorable discharge ("Undesirable"), but could apply for an upgrade later."
So, the matter of discharges applied only to those who'd received dishonorable discharges for desertion or for being AWOL, and was an adjunct to the larger amnesty program for draft resisters.
So, by saying that Kerry benefited by Carter's program, you are saying, in print, in public, that Kerry received a dishonorable discharge.
That's libel, asshole.
You don't have any kids.
The state says I do...
That Toby is arguing, apparently convinced he is correct, on an issue where multiple people can produce multiple indisputably correct legal documents to prove he is wrong is... sociopathic, frankly.
The state says I do...
Thers
And they look like a young you. As your attorney, I have to advise you that this doesn't bode well.
Thers and Mary have really cute kids. Can't they sell them out to Madison Avenue for large coin or something?
OK, I'm getting kind of edgy here. I just saw a tumbleweed pass through here. I meant those comments in a positive light.
Ms. Cotillard has recently moved into my list of five......... she might even be in my wife's list, too....
Anybody with money to spare please go support Tom at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
Thanks.
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