And the answer from below: Royale with Cheese.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:49 pm | #
Or, "I think it's great that our children love America so much that they're willing to sacrifice health insurance for our troops."
kevin. |
09.22.07 - 1:49 pm | #
Helping poor kids = being a metrosexual nancy-boy who squats to pee.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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09.22.07 - 1:49 pm | #
Atrios needs to stop posting two times in quick succession.
I think it's a sign he suffers from premature ejaculation.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:49 pm | #
Oh, come now. If they didn't spend it on war, they just wouldn't spend it. It's a budget buster, dontcha know -- unless it's for war.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 1:49 pm | #
I wear my dumbitude on my sleeve as a badge of honor.
smalfish |
09.22.07 - 1:51 pm | #
For some reason it's off limits in our political discourse to mention this, but the $200 billion Bush wants for Iraq could buy a lot of that health insurance for kids he's going to veto.
keep saying it
at some point it will penetrate
D2 |
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09.22.07 - 1:52 pm | #
(from below)
I have another Stupid DWD question: If people on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean (here and in the UK - my good cyberfriend in Coventry assures me that the English are feeling the same as a lot of Americans about this.) are disgusted by the outsourcing of all jobs, why can't they stop this by electing people who will put a stop to this practice?
DWD - Uncivil |
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09.22.07 - 1:52 pm | #
Time to stop rittering away my day and engage in some wholesome, Tarantino-free activities.
blerb, narcotized again |
09.22.07 - 1:52 pm | #
badges are dumb.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:52 pm | #
Atrios needs to stop posting two times in quick succession.
I think it's a sign he suffers from premature ejaculation.
NTodd the Vine
Well, with all the skull-fucking pr0n, I'm surprised he has any semen left...
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
09.22.07 - 1:52 pm | #
I don't see the problem with the veto. The children we're taleking about are poor, and therefore undeserving. The people who own Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater are rich, and therefore there's not enough our government can do to support them.
It's all quite simple, really.
And didn't Jesus say, "suffer the little children [something something something]?"
(Waiting for my call from the Romney campaign.)
V for Virginia, still pissed |
09.22.07 - 1:53 pm | #
DWD is dumb.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:53 pm | #
It's interesting that they felt the litigation exposure in the US was worth the benefits of ass kissing China. USA continues its headlong ride into third tier status.
Time to stop rittering away my day and engage in some wholesome, Tarantino-free activities.
blerb
I should go play with Mr Toluene.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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09.22.07 - 1:53 pm | #
Ntodd,
Yes, I am. I keep asking dumb questions and expecting answers. That IS dumb.
DWD - Uncivil |
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09.22.07 - 1:54 pm | #
DWD is dumb.
Calling people names is dumb. You are condemned.
- United States Senate
Snow, Liberal |
09.22.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Atrios has lost it.
Bringing freedom to Iraqis should be our highest priority.
Fuck the children, says our dear leader (War Be Upon Him).
gregor |
09.22.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Ass kissing China is smart.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:54 pm | #
Snow is too dumb to be a dumb Senator.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:55 pm | #
Time to stop rittering away my day and engage in some wholesome, Tarantino-free activities.
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So far this morning, I've managed to eat some blackberry pancakes. Don't know where Tarantino stands on those...he probably prefers 'em with Jujubes, or maybe Goobers. So I reckon I'm on safe ground.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
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09.22.07 - 1:55 pm | #
Ass kissing China is smart.
NTodd the Vine
Well, they've been ass-fucking us for years.
Granted, Bush seems to have benefitted from a reach-around.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
09.22.07 - 1:56 pm | #
When all is said and done, Bush will have spent far more money destroying life than preserving or nurturing it. That is his legacy.
Falstaff |
09.22.07 - 1:56 pm | #
Ass kissing China is smart.
That's a lot of asses.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 1:56 pm | #
When all is said and done, Bush will have spent far more money destroying life than preserving or nurturing it. That is his legacy.
And this means exactly what?
smalfish |
09.22.07 - 1:57 pm | #
So far this morning, I've managed to eat some blackberry pancakes.
Did a niggah pop out of your frying pan and pop a cap in yo ass, m-fer?
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:57 pm | #
When all is said and done, Bush will have spent far more money destroying life than preserving or nurturing it. That is his legacy.
The U.S. economy finds itself in a similar situation vis-à-vis China, as does Mattel and its supplies. America can’t afford to offend or alienate China—not because it would suddenly stop selling goods to us, but because the U.S. economy has evolved in such a way that its health depends on China.
It "has evolved." In a totally random way!
V for Virginia, still pissed |
09.22.07 - 1:57 pm | #
When all is said and done, Bush will have spent far more money destroying life than preserving or nurturing it. That is his legacy.
And this means exactly what?
smalfish | 09.22.07 - 1:57 pm | #
From pie's link: America can’t afford to offend or alienate China—not because it would suddenly stop selling goods to us, but because the U.S. economy has evolved in such a way that its health depends on China.
This is my entire point, pie. Mattel, Wal-mart, and all of the others are selling out our national security to China. They have done so for profit. And our government has nothing to stop them. In fact, our government has encouraged and assisted them in doing so.
Snow, Liberal |
09.22.07 - 1:58 pm | #
Ass kissing China is smart.
That's a lot of asses.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty
Better get busy.
V for Virginia, still pissed |
09.22.07 - 1:58 pm | #
Bush will have spent far more money destroying life than preserving or nurturing it.
The definition of compassionate conservatism.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 1:58 pm | #
Did a niggah pop out of your frying pan and pop a cap in yo ass, m-fer?
NTodd the Vine
Bill OLielly posts in comments
Liars for Bush |
09.22.07 - 1:58 pm | #
Yeah, I definitely missed a turn in the Mattel fiasco.
One minute Chinese manufacturers were busted for using lead-based paint on Mattel toys, and furiously apologizing for that, and the next minute Mattel was apologizing to the Chinese. WTF?
Wait until the big-ticket clothing companies in the mall and on-line find out that the "Thinsulate™" in those children's ski masks and snorkel-hood parkas Made in China is actually a composite of chicken feathers and asbestos!
57 Visitors Online |
09.22.07 - 1:58 pm | #
why can't they stop this by electing people who will put a stop to this practice?
DWD -
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corp monies and influences???
look at the mighty left fall in Canada, in England, in France.
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09.22.07 - 1:58 pm | #
When all is said and done, Bush will have spent far more money destroying life than preserving or nurturing it. That is his legacy.
Hey, he gets his orders from God, and cries on His shoulders. Clearly Bush is just implementing some ineffable plan.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 1:59 pm | #
See Bush as emcee of the famous gameshow: Killing for Dollars!
look at the mighty left fall in Canada,
Nancy Willing
let's see how that plays after Nov 10.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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09.22.07 - 2:00 pm | #
-Clearly Bush is just implementing some ineffable plan.
NTodd
I trhink it's plenty ef-able.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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09.22.07 - 2:01 pm | #
if the Chinese Communist Party doesn't have the best interests of the American people as their guiding principle then I just don't know who does.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
09.22.07 - 2:01 pm | #
The odd juxto playing out of Chinese shit-for-business-ethics that poisons our children and the Iraq war that prevents us from curing them.
Nancy Willing |
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09.22.07 - 2:02 pm | #
Nancy,
I am not certain that this is irrevocable. In my limited travels I have never seen people more frustrated with the economics and government than at this moment. (And NO one is offering an alternative - when someone does . . . .)
DWD - Uncivil |
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09.22.07 - 2:02 pm | #
In fact, our government has encouraged and assisted them in doing so.
We've lost in Iraq, and our economy is in tough shape. We've lost the lead as an important player on the world stage.
No super power, we. Not now.
pie |
09.22.07 - 2:03 pm | #
Look, you want to spend $200 billion to kill children or give them health insurance? What areyou, some kind of commie pinko elitist kneejerk quaker?
spinoza, non ridere, non luger |
09.22.07 - 2:03 pm | #
The odd juxto playing out of Chinese shit-for-business-ethics that poisons our children and the Iraq war that prevents us from curing them.
Nancy Willing
I remember during the 2004 debates when Kerry was talking about universal health care, and Bush interrupted him with "How are you going to pay for it?"
bloggus |
09.22.07 - 2:03 pm | #
I am not certain that this is irrevocable. In my limited travels I have never seen people more frustrated with the economics and government than at this moment. (And NO one is offering an alternative - when someone does . . . .)
DWD
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I think the pendulum has a natural compulsion to swing. What is gumming up the works is the capitalist call-to-arms.
McCain was crazier the usual yesterday at the NRA
I'm looking for the video link where he declares war on 70 of America
Liars for Bush |
09.22.07 - 2:04 pm | #
Look, you want to spend $200 billion to kill children or give them health insurance? What areyou, some kind of commie pinko elitist kneejerk quaker?
If that is my only choice . . . YES!
Snow, Liberal |
09.22.07 - 2:04 pm | #
Man, Haloscan has been an absolute bitch to me today.
For some reason it's off limits in our political discourse to mention this, but the $200 billion Bush wants for Iraq could buy a lot of that health insurance for kids he's going to veto.
Don't be shrill.
Jennifer |
09.22.07 - 2:05 pm | #
Your argument is really disingenuous, though. What you're leaving out is that health insurance for kids is a proven financial rathole.
It's demonstrably the case that if you treat sick kids and blow a ton of money on insurance and medical care, they'll only turn around and get sick all over again, sooner or later. So what's the point?
So pouring tax dollars into childrens' health care is blatantly counter-productive and it wouldn't be prudent. Prudence is a Republican Core Value, remember, and the Republics wisely eschew throwing good money after bad. They're proud of their hard-earned and justly-deserved reputation for fiscal responsibility and parsimony.
So with all due respect, come back when you're talking sense.
54 Visitors Online |
09.22.07 - 2:05 pm | #
And one more Martha and the Vandellas youtube. (This one might be about Hillary?)
I thought Saddam killed all the Vandellas?
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 2:05 pm | #
To paraphrase the ever popular Markos Moulitsas, "Screw the kids". I'd much rather spend the $200B on the troops than on "kids" up to age 26.
Pepin the Short |
09.22.07 - 2:06 pm | #
I remember during the 2004 debates when Kerry was talking about universal health care, and Bush interrupted him with "How are you going to pay for it?"
bloggus
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answer
we pay for it in dollars spent now in non-preventative care and ER-expensive first responders you ass.
Nancy Willing |
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09.22.07 - 2:06 pm | #
from dead thread:
The poem upthread I now have read,
And find that something must be said.
That Giuliani cat's no good;
He menaces my neighborhood.
And I can wallow in dejection,
Thinking, in the next election,
That he's got a chance in hell
In our White House for to dwell.
And then, when I'm depressed and mopish,
F-fM goes Alexander Popish
And, running down John Dryden's road,
Makes mincemeat of the nematode
While raising on my lips a smile,
Born of his content, and his style.
Recall, sometimes, that life is good,
Which I oftimes remember should.
ProfWombat |
09.22.07 - 2:06 pm | #
The fact is, during times of milk and honey,
Suggestions that we spend a bit of money
On things like health insurance and the poor
Get brutally and quickly shown the door.
The talking point from each Republican:
"Those Democrats just want to tax and spend!"
But suddenly these fiscal warriors scoff at
Frugality where there's a chance to profit
From something Halliburton or Blackwater
Can partake of, no matter what the slaughter.
For entities like this are more deserving
Than little kids with illnesses unnerving.
The money spent for war is incidental,
It isn't even real, it's supplemental.
Fly-fornication Moscowitz |
09.22.07 - 2:06 pm | #
O-tay.
It's a nice day outside. I better enjoy it. Winter is coming.
And the only way for you to cash in (heh) is to enlist.
Isn't that "cash out"?
spinoza, non ridere, non luger |
09.22.07 - 2:09 pm | #
My cup runnneth over!
You need a saucer.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 2:09 pm | #
Our current "healthcare" system is socialistic - but only for insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical companies.
Jennifer |
09.22.07 - 2:09 pm | #
[Mukasey] is going into a zoo at the Justice Department. It is chaos — he has no idea what to do there. They have vacancies there, staff. You need someone who knows where the bodies are buried, like Ted Olson.
And the only way for you to cash in (heh) is to enlist.
Isn't that "cash out"?
Hence the 'heh.'
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 2:10 pm | #
"Screw the kids".
I thought that was a Republican core value -- see: guy from Florida who flew to Michigan to screw a 5 year old (he thought).
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 2:10 pm | #
Our current "healthcare" system is socialistic - but only for insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical companies.
Jennifer
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I am stealing that one!
Nancy Willing |
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09.22.07 - 2:11 pm | #
Your argument is really disingenuous, though. What you're leaving out is that health insurance for kids is a proven financial rathole.
I know that this is snark, but it happens that health care for kids, and prenatal health care, are among the best-confirmed examples of cost-effectiveness. Even if all you're talking about is money, it's the right thing to do. Problem is, the costs and savings are on different balance sheets. What passes for a social contract no longer exists in this country, and powerful, monied interests are invested in keeping it that way. Otherwise, how to justify letting an industry with a 30% overhead dominate spending in an industry covering a seventh of the economy?
ProfWombat |
09.22.07 - 2:11 pm | #
Yes let's spend another 200 billion on "the troops" so they can get their limbs blown off or maybe even get killed, or so they come home with PTSD that fucks them up for the rest of their lives.
That's how Republican idiots support the troops.
bloggus |
09.22.07 - 2:11 pm | #
They made a desert and they called it peace.
Ebenezer Le Page |
09.22.07 - 2:12 pm | #
All right, time to go play with chemicals.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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09.22.07 - 2:12 pm | #
I'd like some Captain Morgan's with that coke, Ntodd.
The guy subbing on the radio for Mark Levin last night -- an even more obnoxious wingnut than Levin himself -- actually said "I like Canada. A shame about their health care system, though."
And he meant it....
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09.22.07 - 2:13 pm | #
A more effective use of $200B would be to deliver it to Iraq in the form of pallets of 20 dollar bills, then drop the fuckers all over the country.
While the Iraqis are scrambling for the money, all distracted, our troops can sneak out. Then they can use that money to supersize their McDonald's Extra Value Meals and be sedentary, fat, happy, and long-lived just like Americans.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 2:14 pm | #
"Screw the kids".
I thought that was a Republican core value -- see: guy from Florida who flew to Michigan to screw a 5 year old (he thought).
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty | 09.22.07 - 2:10 pm | #
I believe toonscribe owes me a Captain Morgans and coke, as well.
I made a dessert and called it a piece of cake.
NTodd the Vine |
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09.22.07 - 2:14 pm | #
I thought that was a Republican core value -- see: guy from Florida who flew to Michigan to screw a 5 year old (he thought).
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty
See? They really do love children!
(Do we know for sure that the guy is an R?)
V for Virginia, still pissed |
09.22.07 - 2:15 pm | #
I believe toonscribe owes me a Captain Morgans and coke, as well.
Sorry, I musta missed it -- scrolling through comments too fast.
*fetches a glass and pours*
Here ya go.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 2:15 pm | #
considering all the fabulous things they have given us, I just don't understand the animus towards the Chinese Communist Party? America's Banker is the sole power keeping us from bombing the shit out of Iran.
I, fo one, think Hu Jintao is doing a heckuva job.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
09.22.07 - 2:15 pm | #
I have some O'Doul's, and, for drinking company, some Old Speckled Hen Ale. C'mon over...
ProfWombat |
09.22.07 - 2:16 pm | #
Our current "healthcare" system is socialistic - but only for insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical companies.
Jennifer
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I am stealing that one!
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 09.22.07 - 2:11 pm | #
I have been saying -- since the mid 80s -- that the Dems should run on the following slogan:
"The Republican Party -- Socialism For the Rich!!!"
steve simels |
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09.22.07 - 2:16 pm | #
"The Republican Party -- Socialism For the Rich!!!"
steve simels
I love it -- and it'll fit on a bumper sticker.
V for Virginia, still pissed |
09.22.07 - 2:17 pm | #
I have spent the last two days contemplating committing "Novelacide" on one of my longer books. Killing it: Stripping it down to its underpinnings and starting over again with a totally different theme. Some of the same characters and settings, but a different theme and a different set of circumstances . . .
Just not sure if I want to do this or just start over or simply drink coffee and visit. . . decisions, decisions, decisions.
DWD - Uncivil |
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09.22.07 - 2:18 pm | #
Eb: I'm blanking on the source of that one. Classical, I think?
Steve: we were talking about the SpongeBob movie last night, and it occurred to me to wonder if you'd seen it. If so, I'd be curious as to your opinion...
ProfWombat |
09.22.07 - 2:18 pm | #
Not just one, but TWO sheets in the wind
V for Virginia, still pissed |
09.22.07 - 2:18 pm | #
"The Republican Party -- Socialism For the Rich!!!"
Very good.
I've said in the past that the GOP believes only 1% of the population is entitled to public assistance/welfare -- the top 1%.
Toonscribe: righthanded lefty |
09.22.07 - 2:20 pm | #
And he meant it....
steve simels
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We mock the evil,
they aspire to it.
Nancy Willing |
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09.22.07 - 2:20 pm | #
"The Republican Party -- Socialism For the Rich!!!"
steve simels
I love it -- and it'll fit on a bumper sticker.
V for Virginia, still pissed
Steve: we were talking about the SpongeBob movie last night, and it occurred to me to wonder if you'd seen it. If so, I'd be curious as to your opinion...
ProfWombat | 09.22.07 - 2:18 pm | #
Haven't seen it...I've enjoyed the show on occasion, though..
steve simels |
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09.22.07 - 2:21 pm | #
"The Republican Party -- Socialism For the Rich!!!"
I kind of like:
"Republicans - the Other White Meat."
Jennifer |
09.22.07 - 2:23 pm | #
After all of the promises in 2006, what has changed????
foolme1ns |
09.22.07 - 2:56 pm | #
"110 billion! our taxes will double!"-Glenn Beck talking about hillary's health care plan
"we can do this! western civilization is under attack!"-Glenn Beck when every war spending bill is up to be renewed
jr |
09.22.07 - 2:57 pm | #
Bush and Cheney care about as much for our soldiers over in Iraq as George W. Bush, as a kid, cared for the frogs he used to blow up with firecrackers.
As far as the money going into Bush's war in Iraq, someone on Air America pointed out that due to how military appropriations work, and how a request for funds might be made today, but will take a year or so to move through the military pipeline, then this $200 billion is actually taxpayer money Bush is requesting that will be spent by the next president in 2009.
And $200 billion? This is by far the largest request BushCo has made.
1) Is this money going to be used to hire a whole lot more private contract mercenaries to police Iraq, especially with our regular military stretched so thin?
2) Or is Bush asking for double what would really be needed, figuring that sane members of Congress (if any are left) will cut out the "pork"?
3) Or is it that hidden in this $200 billion BushCo request are actually funds meant to cover any attack on Iran?
The Oracle |
09.22.07 - 4:05 pm | #
the choice is never whether to throw obscene amounts of money to corporate political contributors (such as the military industrial complex or Big Pharmacies) or help needy Americans. The choice is always how to slice the pie between big corporate political contributors. Needy Americans don't really fit in the DC equations.
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pluege |
09.22.07 - 4:57 pm | #
$200,000,000,000 would also provide $7,692.31 for every man, woman and child in Iraq.
Mellifluous |
09.22.07 - 6:18 pm | #
Yeah, I've been talking about this for some time:
Congress has passed an increase to the SCHIP's program that will bring health care to thousands of more kids whose parents can't afford it.
Bush has threatened to veto this, claiming that we can't afford the $10 billion increase per year.
That's about 37 days worth of the occupation. Imagine, if we had begun pulling out of Iraq in Feb as many had hoped would happen with the new Congress, we would be able to pay for this increase now.
It's not like I haven't been trying to make this an issue.
Spud1 |
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